WEBVTT - The RNC Welcome Party

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<v Speaker 1>Al Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to it could Happen here, a podcast about things

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<v Speaker 2>falling apart. And nothing says things falling apart better than

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<v Speaker 2>as many Republicans as possible jammed into as small a

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<v Speaker 2>place as possible, With half of the cops in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States of America there as well. With me is

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<v Speaker 2>Sophie Lichterman and Garrison Davis are on the ground reporting

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<v Speaker 2>team for the Republican Convention National.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, it's true.

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<v Speaker 4>We're here.

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<v Speaker 2>We are at the Republican National Convention the day after

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<v Speaker 2>former President Donald Trump was nearly struck down by an

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<v Speaker 2>assassin's bullet. And uh, yeah, it's been a pretty fun.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The vibes are great. Vibes are great. Actually, that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the thing we should start with. We I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the president for a president was shot yesterday, and the

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<v Speaker 2>shit online has been absolutely un hinged. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>expecting I was expecting a lot, but certainly a different

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<v Speaker 2>vibe at the thing, which was I think basically the

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<v Speaker 2>same vibe it would have had if the president hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>been shot. People were by and large not acting different.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so so set the scene. All we went to

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<v Speaker 1>this red, White and Brew kickoff at the party.

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<v Speaker 2>Shocking amount of free alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>Shocking amount of free alcohol. How many people do you

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<v Speaker 1>think we're there?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, thousands, That definitely thousands of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the not crazy crowded, but it was big.

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<v Speaker 6>The flyers said they were estimating ten to fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 6>people over the course of like five six hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Trace Adkins performed and sang a song with the lyrics

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<v Speaker 1>Gearson Well.

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<v Speaker 3>This was actually a spoken word intro to this.

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<v Speaker 2>This was in the middle of the songs.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, We're we were.

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<v Speaker 2>If you haven't heard. Trace is a country music star,

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<v Speaker 2>and not a good one. I'm not sure if it

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<v Speaker 2>was him or if it was Toby Keith that Christofferson said,

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<v Speaker 2>did the country music what pante Hoose did to finger fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is the kind It's a famous line, Sophie.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a terrible musician.

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<v Speaker 3>He just died.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyways. The line that was said was Garrison.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, he had this little preamble about how he was

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<v Speaker 6>getting really handsy with like.

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<v Speaker 2>With his nurse. He's sick recently. He has a nurse.

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<v Speaker 2>She's taken great care of him and she hasn't gotten

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<v Speaker 2>angry that he keeps touching her against her.

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<v Speaker 6>Getting really handsy and she would actually press charges if

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<v Speaker 6>they weren't married, which is the punchline.

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<v Speaker 1>Ha ha ha haa is that is that And that

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of the energy of the entire event.

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<v Speaker 6>So just raping your wife not even a joke, just

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<v Speaker 6>like just like a celebratory statement. As we are walking

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<v Speaker 6>around a crowd of like, yeah, at least five times.

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<v Speaker 1>We walk into this event and there are like balloon

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<v Speaker 1>wavy noodle.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys inflatable armflaving to use car dealership. Ever seen that

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<v Speaker 2>many of them in one place.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then there's there's dozens there's women on platforms.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a red carpet and all fifty state flags

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<v Speaker 2>are lining it, and periodically in between the flags there

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<v Speaker 2>are plints where there are what what we used to

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<v Speaker 2>call booth babes, which is if you would go to

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<v Speaker 2>like E three, which was the video game convention, there

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<v Speaker 2>would be scantly clad women. Car conventions do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Cees used to do this too, women wearing very little

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<v Speaker 2>who are there to like stand next to products or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>In this case, they were just mostly naked women.

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<v Speaker 1>Dancing and waving at people. They came in and one

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<v Speaker 1>of them winked at me, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope she had a fine night, me too. We

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<v Speaker 2>did not.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope she got paid more than we're getting paid.

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<v Speaker 2>There's almost no way not FASSI, because I have asked

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of different service industry people, including Uber drivers, tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>how are the tips, and everyone said, Doug shit, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's been happy with the tips.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it took us quite a while to actually get

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<v Speaker 1>to this place because of all the different security checkpoints

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<v Speaker 1>and roadblocks and just the absolute chaotic, unhinged amount of

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<v Speaker 1>out of town cops.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is not just the R and C. If

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<v Speaker 2>you've never been to a political convention, you will be

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<v Speaker 2>in whatever city this year. It's the RNC is in Milwaukee,

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<v Speaker 2>and the DNC is going to be in Chicago. But

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<v Speaker 2>whatever city it's in, you will run into LAPD cops,

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas cops, like every cops from every part of the country,

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<v Speaker 2>in addition to secret Service, FBI, Homeland security investigations, like all, like,

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<v Speaker 2>all of the kinds of cops are here, correct.

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<v Speaker 6>The most interesting kind of cop that I've seen a

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<v Speaker 6>great a great number of is US Capitol police cops,

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<v Speaker 6>A lot of Capitol police here, which is just a

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<v Speaker 6>little bit funny considering what happened, like, uh.

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<v Speaker 2>This crowd assaulted Capitol police officer.

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<v Speaker 6>It's kind of an odd dynamic because you have like

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<v Speaker 6>these Capitol police here, you know, priding security essentially and

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<v Speaker 6>you know, protecting attendees to some degree. Well, there's you know,

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<v Speaker 6>a decent chance that many of them were just engaged

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<v Speaker 6>in combat with many of these same people where there

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<v Speaker 6>was casualties on both sides, which is just a kind

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<v Speaker 6>of an odd dynamic that you don't really see very often.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, honestly, again, it's the vibes have still been pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much chill for an event like this. It has not

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<v Speaker 2>been heightened in terms of like levels of anger. We

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<v Speaker 2>did see as soon as we arrived at the airport,

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<v Speaker 2>literally the second we got to baggage, there was a

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<v Speaker 2>guy wearing a shirt with the picture of Trump with

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<v Speaker 2>a bloody ear right after he was shot on it.

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<v Speaker 2>He clearly made it last night himself.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it said the iron don.

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<v Speaker 2>The iron down. But that was kind of it in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of maybe, you know, it's going to take a

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<v Speaker 2>little longer for there to be more shooting merch out there.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do. But but more than that, I just

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<v Speaker 2>didn't hear a lot of Like we had down, we

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<v Speaker 2>got some food and some drinks. When were at this

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<v Speaker 2>big party, We sat down with these two ladies who

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<v Speaker 2>were delegates from Texas, older women, one was clearly in

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<v Speaker 2>her eighties, one looked like she was more in her sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>Talked with them for quite a while, and they were

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<v Speaker 2>very far right, very strong views on religious conservatism, very

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<v Speaker 2>anti trans the older lady that I talked to. None

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<v Speaker 2>of them said a single word about Trump getting shot.

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<v Speaker 2>It absolutely did not come up, which I was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of surprised about.

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<v Speaker 6>And I got here a little bit earlier than Robert

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<v Speaker 6>and Sophie, and I was hanging out with some of

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<v Speaker 6>the delegates from Idaho and North Dakota, and similarly, no

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<v Speaker 6>one was talking about that. Yeah it was, it was

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<v Speaker 6>just not mentioned. It was on Fox News in the background. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>you could see on the TV every building. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 6>constantly playing. But nobody in person seems to be thinking

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<v Speaker 6>about it or like discussing it as like as like

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<v Speaker 6>a thing. And possibly it's just because they've assumed that

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<v Speaker 6>Trump is just always under this kind of attack, right right,

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<v Speaker 6>like the most attacked man. Right, This isn't even like

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<v Speaker 6>a big deal for them. This is just like realizing

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<v Speaker 6>what they've already built up in their head, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I think that that could maybe just be

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<v Speaker 3>a factor.

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<v Speaker 6>This isn't like as impactful for them because like you know,

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<v Speaker 6>of course, like he's he's he's obviously being treated so unfairly.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot of speriment in that. The

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<v Speaker 2>only other thing I could think of maybe would be

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<v Speaker 2>that just it hasn't sunk in yet because it's so

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<v Speaker 2>big and so recent and everyone coming to this probably

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<v Speaker 2>like us, was just crazy busy packing and like getting

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<v Speaker 2>their lives in order for this. Sure, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're probably onto something with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's not a small thing. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the the people that we talked to, one of them

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<v Speaker 1>was a delegate for the state of Texas, and they

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<v Speaker 1>said they had to travel all the way. They their

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<v Speaker 1>hotels in Madison. Oh, so they have to commute back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth from Madison to Milwaukee to come to this event.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is that is that is a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, speaking of ugh, you know what doesn't make me

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<v Speaker 2>go ugh?

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<v Speaker 1>These products and services, Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>We are sponsored first off by Woodman's, the grocery store

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<v Speaker 2>that won't sell you a hard liquor past midnight. Woodman's.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone lied to you about Wisconsin being proper alcoholics.

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<v Speaker 7>And we're back. And I have to say that the today,

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<v Speaker 7>the scariest part of our day.

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<v Speaker 1>Was going to this Woodman's grocery store, which is opened

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four hours, seven days a week.

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<v Speaker 6>It was not walking into a crowd of ten thousand Republicans.

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<v Speaker 6>It was, in fact, walking into Woodman's at midnight was

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<v Speaker 6>astronomically more frightening on like existential levels.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like one of these like massive, massive, like Walmart style,

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<v Speaker 2>but like really big Walmart style stores. They had a

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<v Speaker 2>whole isle of Maraschino cherries.

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<v Speaker 3>A Maraschino cherry isle.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a shocking number.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a fried onion isle.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a shocking number of like four to seven

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<v Speaker 2>year old children leaving the stores.

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<v Speaker 3>Walking freely in and out.

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<v Speaker 2>It was leaving this just so going somewhere, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was that there was.

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<v Speaker 6>There was twenty five numerical aisles plus a full like

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<v Speaker 6>alphabetical aisle.

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<v Speaker 4>There were so many asles they had to switch from numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>They would not sell us beers.

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<v Speaker 6>And they would not have sid A credit cards either.

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<v Speaker 6>Fascinating stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyways, you Wisconsinites think you people are alcoholics. I have

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<v Speaker 2>gone there's there's nowhere that won't sell me liquor in

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<v Speaker 2>fucking Los Angeles. You know that's a drinking city. God

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<v Speaker 2>damn it, God damn it.

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<v Speaker 1>Garrison what else?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, and there was also a security guy roaming inside

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<v Speaker 6>woman's do you know where? There was also security oh

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<v Speaker 6>everywhere else, literally the entire city of Milwaukee right.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, on roofs, in the street, on bikes, on boats.

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<v Speaker 3>We knew.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, I honestly, this is not abnormal. I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not notice anything that I didn't recall from

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<v Speaker 2>previous convention. It did not seem I think it just

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<v Speaker 2>might be because there's so many there can't be more cops,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they could not have had more cops. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>people are more alert. I'm sure, particularly the rooftops sniper

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<v Speaker 2>teams are under the gun right now. But I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>notice anything more intense than usual.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, and we were talking with some other people from

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<v Speaker 6>out of town who we were just getting rides with,

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<v Speaker 6>and like the amount of the amount of barricades and

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<v Speaker 6>blockades that have been put up over the course of

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<v Speaker 6>a Sunday, like.

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<v Speaker 4>It changes constantly.

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<v Speaker 6>It's constantly changing which roads are blockaded. Like like earlier today

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<v Speaker 6>people could commute downtown.

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<v Speaker 2>That might feel a little different, fairly easier.

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<v Speaker 6>And progressively throughout the day that became much much harder,

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<v Speaker 6>to the point where now downtown is almost like you

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<v Speaker 6>just you just can't drive like that are like most

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<v Speaker 6>of downtown is just literally blocked off by the type

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<v Speaker 6>of fence that was developed in Portland back in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 6>and that is covering almost all of Milwaukee's downtown right now.

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<v Speaker 2>The fence is familiar from previous conventions. I don't remember

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<v Speaker 2>the moving blockades of streets that that actually might be.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's not, maybe if it happened the last convention,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't recall it.

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<v Speaker 1>Were there any at this party? Were there any booths

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<v Speaker 1>or things that you saw that surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>Your Well, there was the fifteen giveaway They're sure was

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Defense, that the US Concealed Carry Association.

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<v Speaker 3>A little bit of poor taste, one might say, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>What, in a way, because Daniel Defense is number one,

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<v Speaker 2>is the company that made the air fifteen that the

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<v Speaker 2>Evaldi shooter used. If you don't know guns, the Daniel

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<v Speaker 2>Defense is most famous to people who aren't gun people,

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<v Speaker 2>for it was the company that made the gun that

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<v Speaker 2>the Uvaldi shooter used. In general, they are like a

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<v Speaker 2>middle high end ar company. They're not like the very

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<v Speaker 2>nicest on the market, but they're not cheap. They're expensive guns.

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<v Speaker 2>They're pretty well made, and they have made direct kind

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<v Speaker 2>of buy in and inroads with a lot of right

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<v Speaker 2>wing culture war gun figures, like they have outreached more

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<v Speaker 2>or two like fascist types than most because most big

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<v Speaker 2>gun you go to, like SIGs Hour, sig Hour is

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<v Speaker 2>not going to sponsor a Nazi type adjacent person or

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<v Speaker 2>a Christian nationalist gun type person because they they do

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<v Speaker 2>big contracts, right, like Daniel Defense has has gone out

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<v Speaker 2>on a limb with some like real assholes.

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<v Speaker 6>It's weird because they didn't used to be like that

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<v Speaker 6>as well. Like even like five years ago, Daniel Defense

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<v Speaker 6>was was typically like one of the more apolitical not

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<v Speaker 6>a political but like very like less partisan gun companies.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember when we were first talking about about like

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<v Speaker 6>different gun brands back in like twenty twenty, it was

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<v Speaker 6>definitely it was definitely different and they made some small

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<v Speaker 6>shifts in the past few years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it may just have been that just everything was

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit less politicized than in that space. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't I don't know if I don't know enough about

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<v Speaker 2>the company in the back end, but it I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>surprised that they were sponsoring and it you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>thing they were sponsoring was the US Concealed Carry Association

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<v Speaker 2>both which offers like insurance for people who have concealed

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<v Speaker 2>handgun license and the like. But they were doing a

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<v Speaker 2>free AR fifteen giveaway, which is definitely, some would say

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<v Speaker 2>in bad taste after what happened to the president. To

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, no one would have thought about it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of think it's like you are the people

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<v Speaker 2>that you are.

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<v Speaker 6>No, you know, I don't think anyone thought twice about

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<v Speaker 6>that note whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>And by God, I signed up to win the guns,

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<v Speaker 2>so me too, I did not, Ah, Sophie, we could

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<v Speaker 2>have had an extra attempt.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry not sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there anything today that you know, surprised you, or

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<v Speaker 1>like a feeling you had that was like unexpected or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Not.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a long conversation with the older lady who

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<v Speaker 2>was a delegate from Texas. We talked about because she

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<v Speaker 2>she first kind of wanted to know is press. She

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<v Speaker 2>asked like, basically, are you liars? And in a nice

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<v Speaker 2>old lady way, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, Yes, that's that's the we basically had that.

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<v Speaker 3>We had the same conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>You know where I come from. You know, there's truth

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<v Speaker 2>and there's lies, and like one is real and one isn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, you know, I've been in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of situations where different people have different recollections of

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<v Speaker 2>the same event, and like, I don't know because I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't there, like who's telling the truth? So you just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of try to gather as So we got onto

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<v Speaker 2>the subject of religion, and her attitude was that people

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<v Speaker 2>should be free to do whatever they want to do,

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<v Speaker 2>more or less, but they should have to admit it's bad,

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<v Speaker 2>which was interesting as a take. I hadn't really heard

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<v Speaker 2>that one before, where she was like, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my husband likes to do stuff that's not godly, but

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<v Speaker 2>he just says it's bad. And I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>gay people should be punished by the law, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think that people should have to say that it's bad.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was a peculiar stance to run into. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>her attitude on Trump was that he was a fundamentally

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<v Speaker 2>honest and good man. She didn't think he was perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, she knows she's done some shady things because

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<v Speaker 2>he's a businessman, right, but she thinks he's basically really good.

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<v Speaker 2>It was interesting like hearing her kind of lay some

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<v Speaker 2>things out that way her. We talked about trans issues,

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<v Speaker 2>and she is fully convinced that little kids are getting

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<v Speaker 2>mutilated all the time with transgender surgeris. But I asked, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what if a twenty two year old or a twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four year old wants to get on hormones and she

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<v Speaker 2>or a gender you know, transition surgery. And she was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>an adult should be able to do whatever they want, which

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<v Speaker 2>is interesting. That is interesting, but yeah, you know, from

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<v Speaker 2>a lady in her eighties or whatnot. Like, we had

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<v Speaker 2>a relatively pleasant conversation even though she is clearly someone

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<v Speaker 2>who thinks that Christianity should be the law of the

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<v Speaker 2>land and the official religion of the state, and everybody

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<v Speaker 2>should have to acknowledge that Christians are right. That was interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always fascinated by actually like trying to drill down

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<v Speaker 2>with people at these events, what they believe in, how

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<v Speaker 2>much of the rhetoric that, like we see online is

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<v Speaker 2>specifically transferred over to them, And when you get right

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<v Speaker 2>down to it, they often believe in a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>like the heart like you know, believe that there are

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<v Speaker 2>kids being mutilated or whatever. But also a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the rhetoric you get around, like well we need to

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<v Speaker 2>make it I legal to believe other things isn't as

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<v Speaker 2>widely shared. Although I don't think that lady would actually

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<v Speaker 2>fight against or have any real issue with people so

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<v Speaker 2>people people being criminalized for not being Christian, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>clearly not her primary focus either.

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<v Speaker 1>Besides the mistrust of media and press. The conversation that

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<v Speaker 1>Gary and I had with the other woman, she was

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<v Speaker 1>giving her version of, you know, her opinion on Rob

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<v Speaker 1>Wade in abortion and things like that, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things she said to us was when she found

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<v Speaker 1>out that we lived in Portland at a time, she

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<v Speaker 1>was like, what was like living in a city with liberals?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's funny and yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a different species to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I played around with saying when people would ask

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<v Speaker 2>where I'm from, either Texas or Portland, because both of

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<v Speaker 2>those are technically accurate. And every time I said Portland,

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<v Speaker 2>you got it like you can got a look. Every

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<v Speaker 2>single time you bring up Portland you get a look.

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<v Speaker 2>You can definitely tell that it's a shibboleth to these people. No,

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<v Speaker 2>its something.

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<v Speaker 6>It's like it's the city of the enemy, like it

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<v Speaker 6>is like the representation of ego.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that was really interesting. The other thing I

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<v Speaker 2>noticed was just saying you were media, people's attitude changed

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. But when we mentioned that we worked for

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<v Speaker 2>the radio station that we worked for, I think most

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<v Speaker 2>of them have heard, because there's a lot of right

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<v Speaker 2>wing talk radio that are technically coworkers of ours. That

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<v Speaker 2>changed their attitudes back. And I think like radio, weirdly enough,

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<v Speaker 2>it is registered. It's actually it makes total sense.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a nostalgia thing, right, Yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not just said it's like radio is right wing media. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>the right owns, particularly talk right. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>when we set when you say radio, when you say media,

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<v Speaker 2>they start to think one thing. But when you say radio,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not something that people have a negative attitude.

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<v Speaker 6>Not tied like the coastal eleitism of like newspapers, TV, channels. Yes,

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<v Speaker 6>speaking of coastal elitism, here's these ads brought to you

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<v Speaker 6>by companies probably based on one of the coasts, maybe not,

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<v Speaker 6>maybe a Midwest company.

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<v Speaker 2>God, I hope not, because the Midwest. Again, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>sell liquor at Woodsman's after after midnight.

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<v Speaker 4>Or twenty for our grocery store. Let us have some alcoholic?

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<v Speaker 2>What is wrong with you people?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we are back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're back. So at the end of this we are

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about the assassination attempt on former President Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>More has happened since Monday, so we're going to catch

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<v Speaker 2>you up on what we're thinking about that and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the conclusions that we've droven. We wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about. One last thing are the convention,

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<v Speaker 2>which is kind of what we're expecting for the coming days. Tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an AI panel there is there is is.

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<v Speaker 3>Women in AI, Women and Democracy.

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<v Speaker 2>God Microsoft sponsored by Microsoft, so that's going to be great.

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<v Speaker 6>There's there's a number of other interesting panels. Unfortunately, all

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<v Speaker 6>of the Turning Point USA panels are closed to press.

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<v Speaker 3>Real bummer. Another another event that.

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<v Speaker 6>Is closer press is about two or three times every

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<v Speaker 6>day there is a film screening of a new Ronald

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<v Speaker 6>Reagan movie. Start Reagan the Movie, Reagan the Movie starring

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<v Speaker 6>Join Voyd, which we've received some free merch for.

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<v Speaker 3>We have these wonderful hats made in totally totally fine military, totally.

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<v Speaker 6>Fine, totally chill. That's going to be showing every single day,

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<v Speaker 6>multiple times. Also closed depress. So that's unfortunate. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 6>rumors and talk that Trump might make an early appearance,

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<v Speaker 6>that he might. They might try to secure the nomination

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<v Speaker 6>a little bit early, just so he gets extra secrets

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<v Speaker 6>detailed because of weird laws.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the speakers that are supposed to come are

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<v Speaker 1>Nikki Hayley, Jadie Vance, Ricky Rubio for me, Ricky.

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<v Speaker 7>That's an NBA player from Spain, Marco Rubio suicide.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish the Ricky Rubio from Spain was the Vice President.

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<v Speaker 4>Spain was coming.

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<v Speaker 7>He's so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess he doesn't know much about our laws. That said,

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<v Speaker 2>neither is jd Vance putting.

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<v Speaker 3>Ron's gonna make an appearance.

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<v Speaker 2>Good old Pudding Ron.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting to me, but to neither of you had any

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<v Speaker 1>name recognition. But Ember Rose is going to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that who used to I'm at the

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<v Speaker 2>Republican Convention. I got to blend in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she used to.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if she curly does, but she used

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<v Speaker 1>to run a thing called slut Walk in l A

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<v Speaker 1>and dated Kanye West. Anyways, I guess it makes a

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<v Speaker 1>little more sense when you add the Kanye Wes to it.

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<v Speaker 4>But she's speaking.

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<v Speaker 2>Kanye y if we were like nothing, nothing about what

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<v Speaker 2>she's doing could surprise me now.

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<v Speaker 1>And like all the Trump relatives are speaking besides Ivanka anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>because she's not participating this time around for her kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Good for her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's good, although I don't know if she

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't participate enough, she might wind up on a golf

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<v Speaker 2>course too.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Dark Anyways, I'm just saying he did it speaking of that,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of death. Oh no, no, sorry, bad transition. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be great. Guys, super super super optimistic about

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's worried about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's it's pretty chill. There were some protests,

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<v Speaker 2>but the only protests were people that.

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<v Speaker 1>Were complaining that the that the GOP was not pro

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<v Speaker 1>life enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I talked about this when talking about kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>fracture points that are already starting to appear in the GOP.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the big ones is Trump removed mandatory national

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<v Speaker 2>abortion ban from the Republican platform and there were a

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<v Speaker 2>group of people protesting out in front of the R

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<v Speaker 2>and say very angry about that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the people who I heard a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>people talking about them, seem to think they were idiots,

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<v Speaker 2>which is interesting. Yeah, had that experience.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, only protests we've seen so far as people from

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<v Speaker 6>as people farther farther to the right on certain issues.

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<v Speaker 2>People lose, sucked even worse than the people there.

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<v Speaker 6>I guess it won last time, but I will share

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<v Speaker 6>that kind of segues into our next discussion involving firearm.

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<v Speaker 6>So I had I had a little room mix up

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<v Speaker 6>with the with the with another with some like North

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<v Speaker 6>Dakota delegate because we have the same last name. So

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<v Speaker 6>we got our rooms switched. So I was just sitting

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<v Speaker 6>on my laptop working and this this guy you know,

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<v Speaker 6>scans in and starts opening the door.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, oh, sorry, I didn't realize, you know. Blah

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<v Speaker 3>blah blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 6>We figured it out we were both So then we

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<v Speaker 6>got in the elevator, both to go down to the

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<v Speaker 6>front desk, like get this sorted. And he remarks to

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<v Speaker 6>me saying, well, I'm I'm sure glad you weren't packing

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<v Speaker 6>when I when I busted in the hotel room, and

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, yeah, yeah, I guess. And it's just it

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<v Speaker 6>was just a fascinating little glimpse that like that was

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<v Speaker 6>the first thing that came into his mind. Is that

0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.040
<v Speaker 6>if someone opens your hotel room door, is that.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna You're just gonna start blast. You're just gonna

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<v Speaker 3>start blasted.

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<v Speaker 6>Like that was that was that was like It's like

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<v Speaker 6>immediate thought, is that the good thing, good thing you

0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:27.879
<v Speaker 6>didn't have your gun on you, And like there was

0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:30.199
<v Speaker 6>just such like an assumption of that's like of like

0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:31.960
<v Speaker 6>that it is like the correct thing to do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>is if you if you see your door you start

0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:36.359
<v Speaker 6>to get opened, you just start firing away. And I

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<v Speaker 6>found that to be a really really interesting moment. Speaking

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<v Speaker 6>of firearms.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of firearms, let's talk about that dude who shot

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<v Speaker 2>the president and then got barely and also killed that

0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:51.360
<v Speaker 2>guy whose Twitter presence wasn't great. Yeah, So I want

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:53.359
<v Speaker 2>to talk about the shooting a little bit because we're

0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:55.760
<v Speaker 2>we're now at the point where some stuff has started

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<v Speaker 2>to settle out, and we we have. It's at the

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<v Speaker 2>point where I think it's very unlikely we are going

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<v Speaker 2>to find much more on his social media. It would

0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:06.440
<v Speaker 2>have been found by now based on the way these

0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 2>things work. Could be a manifesto somewhere, could be a

0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:12.800
<v Speaker 2>treasure show of info somewhere, but I think something would

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:15.560
<v Speaker 2>have come out about it. So my guess is this

0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:18.840
<v Speaker 2>is like the Vegas shooting, if you think back Stephen

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Paddock shooting where he killed like seventy something people at

0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:23.760
<v Speaker 2>that country music show. Something that's going to be an

0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:26.960
<v Speaker 2>enigma to people for a while. And it makes a

0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:29.159
<v Speaker 2>lot of sense to me. I know it makes a

0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:30.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of sense to you too, Garrison, and I kind

0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 2>of want to talk about why, because what we do

0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.880
<v Speaker 2>know about them that is confirmed is some of their

0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:40.160
<v Speaker 2>former classmates have talked depressed. Some of those classmates have said,

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:44.479
<v Speaker 2>I don't recall the shooter being particularly political. There are

0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:46.560
<v Speaker 2>some people who said, no, he was really conservative. You know,

0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 2>when we would have like class debates, he would sometimes

0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 2>be the only guy on like the right wing side

0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:53.439
<v Speaker 2>of it, you know, arguing a point or whatever. But

0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:56.920
<v Speaker 2>no one seemed to say that he was like weirdly right,

0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.720
<v Speaker 2>like he was conservative the way that like right wing

0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:01.640
<v Speaker 2>ca in a school are, but not in a way

0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:03.360
<v Speaker 2>that people are like, oh, that kid's a fucking.

0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:04.800
<v Speaker 6>Notze in a way that makes you just kind of

0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 6>like antisocial, alienated, because.

0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and he was not a very social kid. Some

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:13.199
<v Speaker 2>people say he was bullied. Most kids are. I was,

0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:15.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, bullied, So I don't know that he was

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:19.440
<v Speaker 2>exceptionally bullied. He tried out once for the school rifle team,

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:21.919
<v Speaker 2>was not very good. Was so bad they didn't let

0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:24.280
<v Speaker 2>him try out again, which is interesting.

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 4>You were hunting geared a class gear.

0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 3>It's like it's like real tree camo.

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:32.440
<v Speaker 6>We're in the Midwest, Like that's not that's not uncommon,

0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:36.359
<v Speaker 6>not wildly weird. He's in Pennsylvania, but still in Pennsylvania.

0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:40.040
<v Speaker 2>It was nothing that really set anyone off. But it

0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:42.840
<v Speaker 2>is also like all pretty conservative stuff. And just like

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.879
<v Speaker 2>the the gun YouTube channel, who's wearing a Demolition Ranch shirt.

0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:49.959
<v Speaker 2>Demolition Ranches probably the largest gun YouTube channel. They are

0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 2>effectively like a media company, like they're a small media empire,

0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:59.600
<v Speaker 2>but they're also you know, they're definitely conservative. Some of

0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:01.880
<v Speaker 2>the guys who work at that company you can tell

0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:07.400
<v Speaker 2>associate with further right guys. But the videos they go, yeah,

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:11.920
<v Speaker 2>they their videos are relatively free of politics because they're

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:14.640
<v Speaker 2>big enough that that's bad for their business, right.

0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:17.679
<v Speaker 6>Really, they don't indulge in like partisan politics or like

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:18.439
<v Speaker 6>political opinion.

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 7>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like there are guys like there's a guy

0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 2>like named Lewis Botkin who does a lot of videos

0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 2>where he will be doing like literally assassination drills or

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:28.160
<v Speaker 2>he's basically planning to like murder people in their cars.

0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 6>Or people who you know, pepper their videos with like

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:32.840
<v Speaker 6>anti trans joke rights, which we're seeing lots more of.

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 2>This is this was not that, And I'm not saying that.

0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Some people on Twitter when I bring this up get

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<v Speaker 2>like angry, being like you're trying to protect the concern. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care about that. I'm just saying, this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>the shirt you wear if you want to signal that

0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:46.880
<v Speaker 2>you're like far right. This is the shirt you wear

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:49.560
<v Speaker 2>if you're kind of into guns but maybe not very

0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:51.960
<v Speaker 2>good with them, right, Like it's just kind of a

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:55.479
<v Speaker 2>very hobbyist. Yes, yes, it means about as much as

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 2>a guy wearing a John Wick t shirt right like

0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:00.399
<v Speaker 2>that that is kind of the level of that that

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 2>like of what that implies more or less. So I

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 2>guess kind of where we're standing is when we think

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:12.400
<v Speaker 2>about why he did this, and that's the question everybody's

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of asking. I don't get the feeling that this

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 2>guy was motivated by what most people call politics. I

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.399
<v Speaker 2>think he was a guy who was certainly more on

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 2>the conservative end of things. I don't get the hint

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:31.199
<v Speaker 2>that he thought Trump was a dictator he needed to stop.

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:33.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't get the hint he may have been an

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 2>accelerationist and that he thought that this would push some

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:39.479
<v Speaker 2>sort of civil war to completion, and you know that

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 2>that would go well for the right. That's not impossible,

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:43.199
<v Speaker 2>but I haven't seen any evidence of that.

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<v Speaker 1>The most interesting that you said to me about it, Robert,

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 1>and I think Gary, you also said the same thing

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:53.399
<v Speaker 1>as like he was local, this was local, it was convenient.

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:57.719
<v Speaker 2>I think the feeling I get is that if Biden

0:27:57.800 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 2>had showed up, he would have taken a shot at Biden.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that the model that we can look at

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.359
<v Speaker 6>this is the same model people have used for a

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:07.400
<v Speaker 6>lot of school shootings. There is a degree of like apathetic,

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.480
<v Speaker 6>a degree of just like suicidal action, and a degree

0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 6>of wanting to make some kind of impact, wanting to

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 6>do some kind of thing that gains a sense of

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:20.320
<v Speaker 6>like infamy, and school shootings simply just don't do that anymore.

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:21.720
<v Speaker 6>Mass shootings don't really do that anymore.

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 2>You could kill five or six people, ten people at

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:25.640
<v Speaker 2>a grocery store, doesn't move the needle.

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 6>I believe there's a decent chance based on kind of

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 6>the very like unpolitical online presence this guy has had,

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:35.119
<v Speaker 6>including from his discord account, there's just simply no evidence

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 6>he was like he had any kind of real political motivation,

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 6>and instead all of what we've heard about his behavior

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:44.360
<v Speaker 6>and his politics seemed just way more similar to the

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 6>profiles of mass shooters. And this I think the Trump

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 6>thing was was a convenient was a measure of convenience

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:54.880
<v Speaker 6>having this happened in your hometown. I think it possibly

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 6>could be justice likely if Joe Biden was doing a rolly,

0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:00.160
<v Speaker 6>he might have tried the same thing. I don't think

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:03.040
<v Speaker 6>this was any more politically targeted than that, because we

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 6>simply don't have any evidence to suggest that, and the

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 6>few evidence we do have matches up with a lot

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 6>of the profiles of these older kind of like more

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 6>like Columbine style mass shootings.

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 2>This seems like a Columbiner more than anything Columbine. There's

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 2>been well over one hundred different mass shootings inspired by

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 2>that mass shooting. And the thing overwhelmingly that that occurs

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 2>to me just with what we get about this kid

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 2>is I would if I had to describe his politics

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 2>as relates to this shooting, It's not he's a right

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 2>winger or a left winger. His politics are. He's a

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 2>mass shooter.

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 3>Yes, right.

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 2>This is a guy who worships the probably did to

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 2>some extent, was obsessed with the aesthetics of mass shootings.

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:48.760
<v Speaker 2>This was a guy who wanted, yeah, to be famous,

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 2>and he saw an opportunity to do it in a place.

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 3>Where he wanted books, and this was the only way.

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 2>And he did. He'll be in him, you know, And

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm what that means because we had a way. We've

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 2>had a wave for years of people doing mass shootings

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 2>in public places because it used to get you into

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 2>the history books. Not anymore, not anymore. This kid is

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:16.240
<v Speaker 2>in the history books now. And I kind of wonder

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:17.960
<v Speaker 2>if this is going to lead to a shift in

0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 2>the people who have previously been shooting up schools and

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 2>grocery stores going Well, if I want to get noticed,

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 2>shooting up a school won't do it. But if I

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 2>take a shot at insert political candidate, please see good service.

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 2>This is theoretical.

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 6>I think this action reminds me of a great deal.

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 6>Is like this feels more similar to like the John

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 6>Lennon shooting. Honestly, like that is that is I think

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 6>a much a much closer model. And I think a

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 6>lot of people who are viewing this as political violence

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 6>have find this to be a very confusing incident, and

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 6>I don't think it's useful to view it the way

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 6>that we typically view political violence. I think it's much close.

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:55.760
<v Speaker 6>I think it's it's much more understandable as being a

0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 6>kin to something like Colin Buying, the Las Vegas shooting,

0:30:57.920 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 6>the John Lennon shooting.

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 2>And when you bring that up to people, it makes

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 2>them angry because it's a shooting of Donald Trump, the

0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 2>most politicized man who maybe has ever lived in the

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 2>most politicized election of anyone's lifetimes. And people get really

0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 2>angry when you suggest this might not have been political

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 2>in the way that you want to conceive of politics

0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 2>because they want it to fit into even if it's

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 2>a scary box, a box that makes sense. And there's

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 2>something so alien about a guy who this was just

0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 2>the best way for me to be to die and

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 2>be remembered. Is so different.

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 3>And and this guy is younger than I am.

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Twenty.

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 6>Trump, for him has been a forever character of politics.

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 2>He was twelve. He's just when the campaigns.

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 6>A political character. This is just someone who represents what

0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 6>politics is. Yeah, He's not like an abnormal, you know,

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 6>fascist threat the same way that people who've studied poblics

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 6>for a long time can view Trump's storically being like, oh,

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 6>this is like a worrying trend. This is just like

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 6>what regular politics.

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 3>Are to people younger than me. Mm hm.

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 6>So I think that's also another interesting way to view it,

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 6>when it's like this is just like this is just

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 6>who you grew up with as being the guy.

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 3>This is just the guy.

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 2>And you know, we started this talking about why it

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 2>seemed like, at least from the conversations we were having,

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 2>the assassination attempt was such a mild topic or such

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 2>a non topic or the people we met, And I

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 2>wonder if some of it is confusion about what it means.

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 3>This isn't this clearly isn't like an antifa guy.

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it wasn't. It was an antifa guy. It wasn't

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, a trans person with blue hair, Right, it

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 2>wasn't something that fit into their.

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 3>Areage, like probably a lot of people's like grandkids.

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, right, Like, because most people here are considered considered older.

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Wearing a gun T shirt that probably a third of

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:53.480
<v Speaker 2>the people in this have or at least they watched the.

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<v Speaker 6>Channel, right, isn't that is an interesting way to view

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 6>it is that the mass shooter looks like a lot

0:32:57.400 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 6>of these people's like grandkids. That that is an interesting aspect.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, anyway, folks, I hope this has been enlightening.

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 2>This is just the start of our week. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>in for five more days that I'm sure each will

0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 2>be a worse time than the last. We're all going

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 2>to go to sleep now.

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 4>And never go to Woodbans ever again.

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 2>No, but we're going to find a place to get

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 2>liquor tomorrow. I promise you that. God, gentlemen and garrisons, it.

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