1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Al Zone Media. 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 2: Welcome to it could Happen here, a podcast about things 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: falling apart. And nothing says things falling apart better than 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: as many Republicans as possible jammed into as small a 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 2: place as possible, With half of the cops in the 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: United States of America there as well. With me is 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: Sophie Lichterman and Garrison Davis are on the ground reporting 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: team for the Republican Convention National. 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 3: Wow, it's true. 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 4: We're here. 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: We are at the Republican National Convention the day after 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: former President Donald Trump was nearly struck down by an 13 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: assassin's bullet. And uh, yeah, it's been a pretty fun. 14 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 2: The vibes are great. Vibes are great. Actually, that's kind 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: of the thing we should start with. We I mean, 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: the president for a president was shot yesterday, and the 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: shit online has been absolutely un hinged. And I was 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: expecting I was expecting a lot, but certainly a different 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: vibe at the thing, which was I think basically the 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 2: same vibe it would have had if the president hadn't 22 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: been shot. People were by and large not acting different. 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so so set the scene. All we went to 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: this red, White and Brew kickoff at the party. 25 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: Shocking amount of free alcohol. 26 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: Shocking amount of free alcohol. How many people do you 27 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: think we're there? 28 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 4: I don't know, thousands, That definitely thousands of people. 29 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, the not crazy crowded, but it was big. 30 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 6: The flyers said they were estimating ten to fifty thousand 31 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 6: people over the course of like five six hours. 32 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. 33 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: Trace Adkins performed and sang a song with the lyrics 34 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: Gearson Well. 35 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 3: This was actually a spoken word intro to this. 36 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: This was in the middle of the songs. 37 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 4: Yes, We're we were. 38 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: If you haven't heard. Trace is a country music star, 39 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: and not a good one. I'm not sure if it 40 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: was him or if it was Toby Keith that Christofferson said, 41 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: did the country music what pante Hoose did to finger fucking. 42 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: But that is the kind It's a famous line, Sophie. 43 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 2: He's a terrible musician. 44 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 3: He just died. 45 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 4: Anyways. The line that was said was Garrison. 46 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 6: Well, he had this little preamble about how he was 47 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 6: getting really handsy with like. 48 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: With his nurse. He's sick recently. He has a nurse. 49 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: She's taken great care of him and she hasn't gotten 50 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: angry that he keeps touching her against her. 51 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 6: Getting really handsy and she would actually press charges if 52 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 6: they weren't married, which is the punchline. 53 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: Ha ha ha haa is that is that And that 54 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: was kind of the energy of the entire event. 55 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 6: So just raping your wife not even a joke, just 56 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 6: like just like a celebratory statement. As we are walking 57 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 6: around a crowd of like, yeah, at least five times. 58 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: We walk into this event and there are like balloon 59 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: wavy noodle. 60 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: Guys inflatable armflaving to use car dealership. Ever seen that 61 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: many of them in one place. 62 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then there's there's dozens there's women on platforms. 63 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: So there's a red carpet and all fifty state flags 64 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 2: are lining it, and periodically in between the flags there 65 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: are plints where there are what what we used to 66 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: call booth babes, which is if you would go to 67 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: like E three, which was the video game convention, there 68 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: would be scantly clad women. Car conventions do the same thing. 69 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: Cees used to do this too, women wearing very little 70 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: who are there to like stand next to products or whatever. 71 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: In this case, they were just mostly naked women. 72 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: Dancing and waving at people. They came in and one 73 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: of them winked at me, thank you so much. 74 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: I hope she had a fine night, me too. We 75 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: did not. 76 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 3: I hope she got paid more than we're getting paid. 77 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: There's almost no way not FASSI, because I have asked 78 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: a couple of different service industry people, including Uber drivers, tonight, 79 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: how are the tips, and everyone said, Doug shit, yeah, 80 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: nobody's been happy with the tips. 81 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 82 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: And it took us quite a while to actually get 83 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: to this place because of all the different security checkpoints 84 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: and roadblocks and just the absolute chaotic, unhinged amount of 85 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: out of town cops. 86 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: And this is not just the R and C. If 87 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: you've never been to a political convention, you will be 88 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: in whatever city this year. It's the RNC is in Milwaukee, 89 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 2: and the DNC is going to be in Chicago. But 90 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: whatever city it's in, you will run into LAPD cops, 91 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 2: Dallas cops, like every cops from every part of the country, 92 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: in addition to secret Service, FBI, Homeland security investigations, like all, like, 93 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: all of the kinds of cops are here, correct. 94 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 6: The most interesting kind of cop that I've seen a 95 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 6: great a great number of is US Capitol police cops, 96 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 6: A lot of Capitol police here, which is just a 97 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 6: little bit funny considering what happened, like, uh. 98 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: This crowd assaulted Capitol police officer. 99 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 6: It's kind of an odd dynamic because you have like 100 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 6: these Capitol police here, you know, priding security essentially and 101 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 6: you know, protecting attendees to some degree. Well, there's you know, 102 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 6: a decent chance that many of them were just engaged 103 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 6: in combat with many of these same people where there 104 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 6: was casualties on both sides, which is just a kind 105 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 6: of an odd dynamic that you don't really see very often. 106 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, again, it's the vibes have still been pretty 107 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: much chill for an event like this. It has not 108 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: been heightened in terms of like levels of anger. We 109 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: did see as soon as we arrived at the airport, 110 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 2: literally the second we got to baggage, there was a 111 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: guy wearing a shirt with the picture of Trump with 112 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: a bloody ear right after he was shot on it. 113 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 2: He clearly made it last night himself. 114 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it said the iron don. 115 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: The iron down. But that was kind of it in 116 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: terms of maybe, you know, it's going to take a 117 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 2: little longer for there to be more shooting merch out there. 118 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: But I do. But but more than that, I just 119 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 2: didn't hear a lot of Like we had down, we 120 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: got some food and some drinks. When were at this 121 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: big party, We sat down with these two ladies who 122 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 2: were delegates from Texas, older women, one was clearly in 123 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: her eighties, one looked like she was more in her sixties. 124 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: Talked with them for quite a while, and they were 125 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: very far right, very strong views on religious conservatism, very 126 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: anti trans the older lady that I talked to. None 127 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: of them said a single word about Trump getting shot. 128 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: It absolutely did not come up, which I was kind 129 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 2: of surprised about. 130 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 6: And I got here a little bit earlier than Robert 131 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 6: and Sophie, and I was hanging out with some of 132 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 6: the delegates from Idaho and North Dakota, and similarly, no 133 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 6: one was talking about that. Yeah it was, it was 134 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 6: just not mentioned. It was on Fox News in the background. Yeah, 135 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 6: you could see on the TV every building. Yeah, it's 136 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 6: constantly playing. But nobody in person seems to be thinking 137 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 6: about it or like discussing it as like as like 138 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 6: a thing. And possibly it's just because they've assumed that 139 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 6: Trump is just always under this kind of attack, right right, 140 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 6: like the most attacked man. Right, This isn't even like 141 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 6: a big deal for them. This is just like realizing 142 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 6: what they've already built up in their head, right. 143 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think that that could maybe just be 144 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:06,239 Speaker 3: a factor. 145 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 6: This isn't like as impactful for them because like you know, 146 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 6: of course, like he's he's he's obviously being treated so unfairly. 147 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of speriment in that. The 148 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: only other thing I could think of maybe would be 149 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: that just it hasn't sunk in yet because it's so 150 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: big and so recent and everyone coming to this probably 151 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: like us, was just crazy busy packing and like getting 152 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: their lives in order for this. Sure, but I think 153 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: you're probably onto something with that. 154 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's not a small thing. I mean 155 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: the the people that we talked to, one of them 156 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: was a delegate for the state of Texas, and they 157 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: said they had to travel all the way. They their 158 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: hotels in Madison. Oh, so they have to commute back 159 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: and forth from Madison to Milwaukee to come to this event. 160 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 5: You know. 161 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is that is that is a long time. 162 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of ugh, you know what doesn't make me 163 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: go ugh? 164 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: These products and services, Yes. 165 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: We are sponsored first off by Woodman's, the grocery store 166 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: that won't sell you a hard liquor past midnight. Woodman's. 167 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: Everyone lied to you about Wisconsin being proper alcoholics. 168 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 7: And we're back. And I have to say that the today, 169 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 7: the scariest part of our day. 170 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: Was going to this Woodman's grocery store, which is opened 171 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: twenty four hours, seven days a week. 172 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 6: It was not walking into a crowd of ten thousand Republicans. 173 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 6: It was, in fact, walking into Woodman's at midnight was 174 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 6: astronomically more frightening on like existential levels. 175 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: It's like one of these like massive, massive, like Walmart style, 176 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 2: but like really big Walmart style stores. They had a 177 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 2: whole isle of Maraschino cherries. 178 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: A Maraschino cherry isle. 179 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: There were a shocking number. 180 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 4: There was a fried onion isle. 181 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: There were a shocking number of like four to seven 182 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: year old children leaving the stores. 183 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: Walking freely in and out. 184 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: It was leaving this just so going somewhere, but it 185 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: was that there was. 186 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 6: There was twenty five numerical aisles plus a full like 187 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 6: alphabetical aisle. 188 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 4: There were so many asles they had to switch from numbers. 189 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 2: They would not sell us beers. 190 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 6: And they would not have sid A credit cards either. 191 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 6: Fascinating stuff. 192 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 2: Anyways, you Wisconsinites think you people are alcoholics. I have 193 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: gone there's there's nowhere that won't sell me liquor in 194 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: fucking Los Angeles. You know that's a drinking city. God 195 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: damn it, God damn it. 196 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: Garrison what else? 197 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 6: Well, and there was also a security guy roaming inside 198 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 6: woman's do you know where? There was also security oh 199 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 6: everywhere else, literally the entire city of Milwaukee right. 200 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: Now, on roofs, in the street, on bikes, on boats. 201 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: We knew. 202 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: But well, I honestly, this is not abnormal. I know. 203 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 2: I did not notice anything that I didn't recall from 204 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 2: previous convention. It did not seem I think it just 205 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: might be because there's so many there can't be more cops, 206 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: Like they could not have had more cops. I'm sure 207 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: people are more alert. I'm sure, particularly the rooftops sniper 208 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: teams are under the gun right now. But I didn't 209 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: notice anything more intense than usual. 210 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 6: Well, and we were talking with some other people from 211 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 6: out of town who we were just getting rides with, 212 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 6: and like the amount of the amount of barricades and 213 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 6: blockades that have been put up over the course of 214 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 6: a Sunday, like. 215 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 4: It changes constantly. 216 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 6: It's constantly changing which roads are blockaded. Like like earlier today 217 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,599 Speaker 6: people could commute downtown. 218 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: That might feel a little different, fairly easier. 219 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 6: And progressively throughout the day that became much much harder, 220 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 6: to the point where now downtown is almost like you 221 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 6: just you just can't drive like that are like most 222 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 6: of downtown is just literally blocked off by the type 223 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 6: of fence that was developed in Portland back in twenty twenty, 224 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 6: and that is covering almost all of Milwaukee's downtown right now. 225 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 2: The fence is familiar from previous conventions. I don't remember 226 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 2: the moving blockades of streets that that actually might be. 227 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: If it's not, maybe if it happened the last convention, 228 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 2: I didn't recall it. 229 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: Were there any at this party? Were there any booths 230 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: or things that you saw that surprised. 231 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: Your Well, there was the fifteen giveaway They're sure was 232 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: Daniel Defense, that the US Concealed Carry Association. 233 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: A little bit of poor taste, one might say, you know. 234 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: What, in a way, because Daniel Defense is number one, 235 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: is the company that made the air fifteen that the 236 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: Evaldi shooter used. If you don't know guns, the Daniel 237 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: Defense is most famous to people who aren't gun people, 238 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: for it was the company that made the gun that 239 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: the Uvaldi shooter used. In general, they are like a 240 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: middle high end ar company. They're not like the very 241 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: nicest on the market, but they're not cheap. They're expensive guns. 242 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: They're pretty well made, and they have made direct kind 243 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: of buy in and inroads with a lot of right 244 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: wing culture war gun figures, like they have outreached more 245 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: or two like fascist types than most because most big 246 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: gun you go to, like SIGs Hour, sig Hour is 247 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: not going to sponsor a Nazi type adjacent person or 248 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: a Christian nationalist gun type person because they they do 249 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: big contracts, right, like Daniel Defense has has gone out 250 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 2: on a limb with some like real assholes. 251 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 6: It's weird because they didn't used to be like that 252 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 6: as well. Like even like five years ago, Daniel Defense 253 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 6: was was typically like one of the more apolitical not 254 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 6: a political but like very like less partisan gun companies. 255 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 6: I remember when we were first talking about about like 256 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 6: different gun brands back in like twenty twenty, it was 257 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 6: definitely it was definitely different and they made some small 258 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 6: shifts in the past few years. 259 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it may just have been that just everything was 260 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 2: a little bit less politicized than in that space. I 261 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: don't I don't know if I don't know enough about 262 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: the company in the back end, but it I'm not 263 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: surprised that they were sponsoring and it you know, the 264 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 2: thing they were sponsoring was the US Concealed Carry Association 265 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: both which offers like insurance for people who have concealed 266 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 2: handgun license and the like. But they were doing a 267 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: free AR fifteen giveaway, which is definitely, some would say 268 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: in bad taste after what happened to the president. To 269 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 2: be honest, no one would have thought about it at all. 270 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: I kind of think it's like you are the people 271 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 2: that you are. 272 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 6: No, you know, I don't think anyone thought twice about 273 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 6: that note whatsoever. 274 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 2: And by God, I signed up to win the guns, 275 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 2: so me too, I did not, Ah, Sophie, we could 276 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: have had an extra attempt. 277 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 4: Sorry not sorry. 278 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: Was there anything today that you know, surprised you, or 279 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: like a feeling you had that was like unexpected or 280 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: anything like that. 281 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 3: Not. 282 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: I had a long conversation with the older lady who 283 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: was a delegate from Texas. We talked about because she 284 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: she first kind of wanted to know is press. She 285 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 2: asked like, basically, are you liars? And in a nice 286 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: old lady way, right. 287 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, that's that's the we basically had that. 288 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 3: We had the same conversation. 289 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: You know where I come from. You know, there's truth 290 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 2: and there's lies, and like one is real and one isn't. 291 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: I was like, well, you know, I've been in a 292 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 2: lot of situations where different people have different recollections of 293 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: the same event, and like, I don't know because I 294 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 2: wasn't there, like who's telling the truth? So you just 295 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: kind of try to gather as So we got onto 296 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: the subject of religion, and her attitude was that people 297 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: should be free to do whatever they want to do, 298 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: more or less, but they should have to admit it's bad, 299 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: which was interesting as a take. I hadn't really heard 300 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: that one before, where she was like, well, you know, 301 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: my husband likes to do stuff that's not godly, but 302 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: he just says it's bad. And I don't think that 303 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: gay people should be punished by the law, but I 304 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: think that people should have to say that it's bad. 305 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 2: And that was a peculiar stance to run into. You know, 306 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: her attitude on Trump was that he was a fundamentally 307 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: honest and good man. She didn't think he was perfect. 308 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: You know, she knows she's done some shady things because 309 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: he's a businessman, right, but she thinks he's basically really good. 310 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: It was interesting like hearing her kind of lay some 311 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: things out that way her. We talked about trans issues, 312 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: and she is fully convinced that little kids are getting 313 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: mutilated all the time with transgender surgeris. But I asked, like, 314 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 2: what if a twenty two year old or a twenty 315 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: four year old wants to get on hormones and she 316 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: or a gender you know, transition surgery. And she was like, well, 317 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: an adult should be able to do whatever they want, which 318 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: is interesting. That is interesting, but yeah, you know, from 319 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: a lady in her eighties or whatnot. Like, we had 320 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 2: a relatively pleasant conversation even though she is clearly someone 321 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: who thinks that Christianity should be the law of the 322 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: land and the official religion of the state, and everybody 323 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: should have to acknowledge that Christians are right. That was interesting. 324 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: I'm always fascinated by actually like trying to drill down 325 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: with people at these events, what they believe in, how 326 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: much of the rhetoric that, like we see online is 327 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: specifically transferred over to them, And when you get right 328 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: down to it, they often believe in a lot of 329 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: like the heart like you know, believe that there are 330 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: kids being mutilated or whatever. But also a lot of 331 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: the rhetoric you get around, like well we need to 332 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: make it I legal to believe other things isn't as 333 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: widely shared. Although I don't think that lady would actually 334 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: fight against or have any real issue with people so 335 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: people people being criminalized for not being Christian, it's just 336 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: clearly not her primary focus either. 337 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: Besides the mistrust of media and press. The conversation that 338 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: Gary and I had with the other woman, she was 339 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: giving her version of, you know, her opinion on Rob 340 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: Wade in abortion and things like that, and one of 341 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: the things she said to us was when she found 342 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: out that we lived in Portland at a time, she 343 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: was like, what was like living in a city with liberals? 344 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: And I think that's funny and yeah, but. 345 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 3: It's like a different species to them. 346 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. I played around with saying when people would ask 347 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 2: where I'm from, either Texas or Portland, because both of 348 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: those are technically accurate. And every time I said Portland, 349 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: you got it like you can got a look. Every 350 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: single time you bring up Portland you get a look. 351 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: You can definitely tell that it's a shibboleth to these people. No, 352 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 2: its something. 353 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 6: It's like it's the city of the enemy, like it 354 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 6: is like the representation of ego. 355 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was really interesting. The other thing I 356 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: noticed was just saying you were media, people's attitude changed 357 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: a bit. But when we mentioned that we worked for 358 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: the radio station that we worked for, I think most 359 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 2: of them have heard, because there's a lot of right 360 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: wing talk radio that are technically coworkers of ours. That 361 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 2: changed their attitudes back. And I think like radio, weirdly enough, 362 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: it is registered. It's actually it makes total sense. 363 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 3: It's like a nostalgia thing, right, Yeah, it's. 364 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: Not just said it's like radio is right wing media. Sure, 365 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 2: the right owns, particularly talk right. And I think that 366 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: when we set when you say radio, when you say media, 367 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 2: they start to think one thing. But when you say radio, 368 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: that's not something that people have a negative attitude. 369 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 6: Not tied like the coastal eleitism of like newspapers, TV, channels. Yes, 370 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 6: speaking of coastal elitism, here's these ads brought to you 371 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 6: by companies probably based on one of the coasts, maybe not, 372 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 6: maybe a Midwest company. 373 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 2: God, I hope not, because the Midwest. Again, it doesn't 374 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: sell liquor at Woodsman's after after midnight. 375 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 4: Or twenty for our grocery store. Let us have some alcoholic? 376 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 2: What is wrong with you people? 377 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 3: Okay, we are back. 378 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: We're back. So at the end of this we are 379 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 2: going to talk about the assassination attempt on former President Trump. 380 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 2: More has happened since Monday, so we're going to catch 381 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 2: you up on what we're thinking about that and kind 382 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: of the conclusions that we've droven. We wanted to talk 383 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 2: a little bit about. One last thing are the convention, 384 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: which is kind of what we're expecting for the coming days. Tomorrow. 385 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 2: There's an AI panel there is there is is. 386 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 3: Women in AI, Women and Democracy. 387 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: God Microsoft sponsored by Microsoft, so that's going to be great. 388 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 6: There's there's a number of other interesting panels. Unfortunately, all 389 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 6: of the Turning Point USA panels are closed to press. 390 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 3: Real bummer. Another another event that. 391 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 6: Is closer press is about two or three times every 392 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 6: day there is a film screening of a new Ronald 393 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 6: Reagan movie. Start Reagan the Movie, Reagan the Movie starring 394 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 6: Join Voyd, which we've received some free merch for. 395 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 3: We have these wonderful hats made in totally totally fine military, totally. 396 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 6: Fine, totally chill. That's going to be showing every single day, 397 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 6: multiple times. Also closed depress. So that's unfortunate. Yeah, there's 398 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 6: rumors and talk that Trump might make an early appearance, 399 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 6: that he might. They might try to secure the nomination 400 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 6: a little bit early, just so he gets extra secrets 401 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 6: detailed because of weird laws. 402 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 4: Interesting. 403 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: Some of the speakers that are supposed to come are 404 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: Nikki Hayley, Jadie Vance, Ricky Rubio for me, Ricky. 405 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 7: That's an NBA player from Spain, Marco Rubio suicide. 406 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 2: I wish the Ricky Rubio from Spain was the Vice President. 407 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 4: Spain was coming. 408 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 7: He's so sorry. 409 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: I guess he doesn't know much about our laws. That said, 410 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: neither is jd Vance putting. 411 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 3: Ron's gonna make an appearance. 412 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: Good old Pudding Ron. 413 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: Interesting to me, but to neither of you had any 414 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: name recognition. But Ember Rose is going to speak. 415 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 2: I don't know that who used to I'm at the 416 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 2: Republican Convention. I got to blend in. 417 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, she used to. 418 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if she curly does, but she used 419 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: to run a thing called slut Walk in l A 420 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: and dated Kanye West. Anyways, I guess it makes a 421 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: little more sense when you add the Kanye Wes to it. 422 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 4: But she's speaking. 423 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 2: Kanye y if we were like nothing, nothing about what 424 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: she's doing could surprise me now. 425 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: And like all the Trump relatives are speaking besides Ivanka anyways, 426 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: because she's not participating this time around for her kids. 427 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 3: Good for her. 428 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's good, although I don't know if she 429 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 2: doesn't participate enough, she might wind up on a golf 430 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 2: course too. 431 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 3: Wow. 432 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: Dark Anyways, I'm just saying he did it speaking of that, 433 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: speaking of death. Oh no, no, sorry, bad transition. Anyways, 434 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. Guys, super super super optimistic about 435 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: everyone's worried about it. 436 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's pretty chill. There were some protests, 437 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 2: but the only protests were people that. 438 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: Were complaining that the that the GOP was not pro 439 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: life enough. 440 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 2: I talked about this when talking about kind of like 441 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: fracture points that are already starting to appear in the GOP. 442 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: One of the big ones is Trump removed mandatory national 443 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 2: abortion ban from the Republican platform and there were a 444 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 2: group of people protesting out in front of the R 445 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 2: and say very angry about that. 446 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 7: Yep. 447 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 2: Most of the people who I heard a couple of 448 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: people talking about them, seem to think they were idiots, 449 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: which is interesting. Yeah, had that experience. 450 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, only protests we've seen so far as people from 451 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 6: as people farther farther to the right on certain issues. 452 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: People lose, sucked even worse than the people there. 453 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 6: I guess it won last time, but I will share 454 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 6: that kind of segues into our next discussion involving firearm. 455 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 6: So I had I had a little room mix up 456 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 6: with the with the with another with some like North 457 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 6: Dakota delegate because we have the same last name. So 458 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 6: we got our rooms switched. So I was just sitting 459 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 6: on my laptop working and this this guy you know, 460 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 6: scans in and starts opening the door. 461 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: It's like, oh, sorry, I didn't realize, you know. Blah 462 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. 463 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 6: We figured it out we were both So then we 464 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 6: got in the elevator, both to go down to the 465 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 6: front desk, like get this sorted. And he remarks to 466 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 6: me saying, well, I'm I'm sure glad you weren't packing 467 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 6: when I when I busted in the hotel room, and 468 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, yeah, I guess. And it's just it 469 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 6: was just a fascinating little glimpse that like that was 470 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 6: the first thing that came into his mind. Is that 471 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 6: if someone opens your hotel room door, is that. 472 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 3: You're gonna You're just gonna start blast. You're just gonna 473 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 3: start blasted. 474 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 6: Like that was that was that was like It's like 475 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 6: immediate thought, is that the good thing, good thing you 476 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 6: didn't have your gun on you, And like there was 477 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 6: just such like an assumption of that's like of like 478 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 6: that it is like the correct thing to do. Yeah, 479 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 6: is if you if you see your door you start 480 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 6: to get opened, you just start firing away. And I 481 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 6: found that to be a really really interesting moment. Speaking 482 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 6: of firearms. 483 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: Speaking of firearms, let's talk about that dude who shot 484 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: the president and then got barely and also killed that 485 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 2: guy whose Twitter presence wasn't great. Yeah, So I want 486 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 2: to talk about the shooting a little bit because we're 487 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: we're now at the point where some stuff has started 488 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: to settle out, and we we have. It's at the 489 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 2: point where I think it's very unlikely we are going 490 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: to find much more on his social media. It would 491 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 2: have been found by now based on the way these 492 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: things work. Could be a manifesto somewhere, could be a 493 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: treasure show of info somewhere, but I think something would 494 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: have come out about it. So my guess is this 495 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: is like the Vegas shooting, if you think back Stephen 496 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: Paddock shooting where he killed like seventy something people at 497 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: that country music show. Something that's going to be an 498 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 2: enigma to people for a while. And it makes a 499 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 2: lot of sense to me. I know it makes a 500 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: lot of sense to you too, Garrison, and I kind 501 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: of want to talk about why, because what we do 502 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 2: know about them that is confirmed is some of their 503 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 2: former classmates have talked depressed. Some of those classmates have said, 504 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,479 Speaker 2: I don't recall the shooter being particularly political. There are 505 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 2: some people who said, no, he was really conservative. You know, 506 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: when we would have like class debates, he would sometimes 507 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: be the only guy on like the right wing side 508 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 2: of it, you know, arguing a point or whatever. But 509 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 2: no one seemed to say that he was like weirdly right, 510 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 2: like he was conservative the way that like right wing 511 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 2: ca in a school are, but not in a way 512 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 2: that people are like, oh, that kid's a fucking. 513 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 6: Notze in a way that makes you just kind of 514 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 6: like antisocial, alienated, because. 515 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: Yes, and he was not a very social kid. Some 516 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 2: people say he was bullied. Most kids are. I was, 517 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 2: you know, bullied, So I don't know that he was 518 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 2: exceptionally bullied. He tried out once for the school rifle team, 519 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 2: was not very good. Was so bad they didn't let 520 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 2: him try out again, which is interesting. 521 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 4: You were hunting geared a class gear. 522 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 3: It's like it's like real tree camo. 523 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 6: We're in the Midwest, Like that's not that's not uncommon, 524 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 6: not wildly weird. He's in Pennsylvania, but still in Pennsylvania. 525 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 2: It was nothing that really set anyone off. But it 526 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 2: is also like all pretty conservative stuff. And just like 527 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 2: the the gun YouTube channel, who's wearing a Demolition Ranch shirt. 528 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 2: Demolition Ranches probably the largest gun YouTube channel. They are 529 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 2: effectively like a media company, like they're a small media empire, 530 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: but they're also you know, they're definitely conservative. Some of 531 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 2: the guys who work at that company you can tell 532 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 2: associate with further right guys. But the videos they go, yeah, 533 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 2: they their videos are relatively free of politics because they're 534 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 2: big enough that that's bad for their business, right. 535 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 6: Really, they don't indulge in like partisan politics or like 536 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 6: political opinion. 537 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 7: It is. 538 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: It's not like there are guys like there's a guy 539 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: like named Lewis Botkin who does a lot of videos 540 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: where he will be doing like literally assassination drills or 541 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 2: he's basically planning to like murder people in their cars. 542 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 6: Or people who you know, pepper their videos with like 543 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 6: anti trans joke rights, which we're seeing lots more of. 544 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 2: This is this was not that, And I'm not saying that. 545 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 2: Some people on Twitter when I bring this up get 546 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 2: like angry, being like you're trying to protect the concern. No, 547 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 2: I don't care about that. I'm just saying, this isn't 548 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,959 Speaker 2: the shirt you wear if you want to signal that 549 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 2: you're like far right. This is the shirt you wear 550 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: if you're kind of into guns but maybe not very 551 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: good with them, right, Like it's just kind of a 552 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,479 Speaker 2: very hobbyist. Yes, yes, it means about as much as 553 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 2: a guy wearing a John Wick t shirt right like 554 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 2: that that is kind of the level of that that 555 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: like of what that implies more or less. So I 556 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 2: guess kind of where we're standing is when we think 557 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 2: about why he did this, and that's the question everybody's 558 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: kind of asking. I don't get the feeling that this 559 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: guy was motivated by what most people call politics. I 560 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 2: think he was a guy who was certainly more on 561 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: the conservative end of things. I don't get the hint 562 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 2: that he thought Trump was a dictator he needed to stop. 563 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 2: I don't get the hint he may have been an 564 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 2: accelerationist and that he thought that this would push some 565 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,479 Speaker 2: sort of civil war to completion, and you know that 566 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: that would go well for the right. That's not impossible, 567 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 2: but I haven't seen any evidence of that. 568 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: The most interesting that you said to me about it, Robert, 569 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: and I think Gary, you also said the same thing 570 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: as like he was local, this was local, it was convenient. 571 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 2: I think the feeling I get is that if Biden 572 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: had showed up, he would have taken a shot at Biden. 573 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 6: I think that the model that we can look at 574 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 6: this is the same model people have used for a 575 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 6: lot of school shootings. There is a degree of like apathetic, 576 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 6: a degree of just like suicidal action, and a degree 577 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 6: of wanting to make some kind of impact, wanting to 578 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 6: do some kind of thing that gains a sense of 579 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 6: like infamy, and school shootings simply just don't do that anymore. 580 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 6: Mass shootings don't really do that anymore. 581 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 2: You could kill five or six people, ten people at 582 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 2: a grocery store, doesn't move the needle. 583 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 6: I believe there's a decent chance based on kind of 584 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 6: the very like unpolitical online presence this guy has had, 585 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 6: including from his discord account, there's just simply no evidence 586 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 6: he was like he had any kind of real political motivation, 587 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 6: and instead all of what we've heard about his behavior 588 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 6: and his politics seemed just way more similar to the 589 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 6: profiles of mass shooters. And this I think the Trump 590 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 6: thing was was a convenient was a measure of convenience 591 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 6: having this happened in your hometown. I think it possibly 592 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 6: could be justice likely if Joe Biden was doing a rolly, 593 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 6: he might have tried the same thing. I don't think 594 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 6: this was any more politically targeted than that, because we 595 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 6: simply don't have any evidence to suggest that, and the 596 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 6: few evidence we do have matches up with a lot 597 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 6: of the profiles of these older kind of like more 598 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 6: like Columbine style mass shootings. 599 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: This seems like a Columbiner more than anything Columbine. There's 600 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: been well over one hundred different mass shootings inspired by 601 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: that mass shooting. And the thing overwhelmingly that that occurs 602 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 2: to me just with what we get about this kid 603 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 2: is I would if I had to describe his politics 604 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: as relates to this shooting, It's not he's a right 605 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 2: winger or a left winger. His politics are. He's a 606 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 2: mass shooter. 607 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 3: Yes, right. 608 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: This is a guy who worships the probably did to 609 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: some extent, was obsessed with the aesthetics of mass shootings. 610 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 2: This was a guy who wanted, yeah, to be famous, 611 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: and he saw an opportunity to do it in a place. 612 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 3: Where he wanted books, and this was the only way. 613 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 2: And he did. He'll be in him, you know, And 614 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: I'm what that means because we had a way. We've 615 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: had a wave for years of people doing mass shootings 616 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 2: in public places because it used to get you into 617 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 2: the history books. Not anymore, not anymore. This kid is 618 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 2: in the history books now. And I kind of wonder 619 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: if this is going to lead to a shift in 620 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 2: the people who have previously been shooting up schools and 621 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: grocery stores going Well, if I want to get noticed, 622 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 2: shooting up a school won't do it. But if I 623 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: take a shot at insert political candidate, please see good service. 624 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 2: This is theoretical. 625 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 6: I think this action reminds me of a great deal. 626 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 6: Is like this feels more similar to like the John 627 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 6: Lennon shooting. Honestly, like that is that is I think 628 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 6: a much a much closer model. And I think a 629 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 6: lot of people who are viewing this as political violence 630 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 6: have find this to be a very confusing incident, and 631 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 6: I don't think it's useful to view it the way 632 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 6: that we typically view political violence. I think it's much close. 633 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 6: I think it's it's much more understandable as being a 634 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 6: kin to something like Colin Buying, the Las Vegas shooting, 635 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 6: the John Lennon shooting. 636 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: And when you bring that up to people, it makes 637 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: them angry because it's a shooting of Donald Trump, the 638 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: most politicized man who maybe has ever lived in the 639 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 2: most politicized election of anyone's lifetimes. And people get really 640 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: angry when you suggest this might not have been political 641 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: in the way that you want to conceive of politics 642 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 2: because they want it to fit into even if it's 643 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 2: a scary box, a box that makes sense. And there's 644 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: something so alien about a guy who this was just 645 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 2: the best way for me to be to die and 646 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: be remembered. Is so different. 647 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 3: And and this guy is younger than I am. 648 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 2: Twenty. 649 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 6: Trump, for him has been a forever character of politics. 650 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 2: He was twelve. He's just when the campaigns. 651 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 6: A political character. This is just someone who represents what 652 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 6: politics is. Yeah, He's not like an abnormal, you know, 653 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 6: fascist threat the same way that people who've studied poblics 654 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 6: for a long time can view Trump's storically being like, oh, 655 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 6: this is like a worrying trend. This is just like 656 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 6: what regular politics. 657 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 3: Are to people younger than me. Mm hm. 658 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 6: So I think that's also another interesting way to view it, 659 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 6: when it's like this is just like this is just 660 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 6: who you grew up with as being the guy. 661 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: This is just the guy. 662 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: And you know, we started this talking about why it 663 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: seemed like, at least from the conversations we were having, 664 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 2: the assassination attempt was such a mild topic or such 665 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: a non topic or the people we met, And I 666 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: wonder if some of it is confusion about what it means. 667 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 3: This isn't this clearly isn't like an antifa guy. 668 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't. It was an antifa guy. It wasn't 669 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 2: you know, a trans person with blue hair, Right, it 670 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 2: wasn't something that fit into their. 671 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 3: Areage, like probably a lot of people's like grandkids. 672 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, right, Like, because most people here are considered considered older. 673 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 2: Wearing a gun T shirt that probably a third of 674 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 2: the people in this have or at least they watched the. 675 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 6: Channel, right, isn't that is an interesting way to view 676 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 6: it is that the mass shooter looks like a lot 677 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 6: of these people's like grandkids. That that is an interesting aspect. 678 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, anyway, folks, I hope this has been enlightening. 679 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 2: This is just the start of our week. So we're 680 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 2: in for five more days that I'm sure each will 681 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 2: be a worse time than the last. We're all going 682 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 2: to go to sleep now. 683 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 4: And never go to Woodbans ever again. 684 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 2: No, but we're going to find a place to get 685 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 2: liquor tomorrow. I promise you that. 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