1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, we go back in 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: the trenches this time. No, it's those five and sometimes 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: six guys who protect Kyler Murray and open up rushing lanes. 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: That's right. The offensive line is the topic. It's a 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: unit that's played well the past two seasons. First though, 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: what does run game Coordinator mean? It's Cardinals Cover two 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: episode at three ninety seven and it starts now. Welcome 8 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolu and Mike Jarecki. 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hun Day, proud partner 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit 11 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: Easy Cardinals dot com Slash podcasts. Murray rolls to the right, 12 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: throws near sight of Fritz Bark heads into the ends 13 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: off to the touchdown. Here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. Well, 14 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: sometimes plan for things to line up and other times 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: it's just dumb luck, and I would say today's show 16 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: falls into the latter category. MJ. We had penciled in 17 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: this week to be all about the line of scrimmage, 18 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: so the defensive line was first, and that show could 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: be found in the archives. Now it's the offensive lines turn, 20 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: and it would just so happen that we had a 21 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: chance to talk with offensive line coach and newly promoted 22 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: run game coordinator Sean Coogler earlier. Again, this was not planned. 23 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: It just fell this way, and I think we're fortunate. 24 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: It did a lot to get into from Coogs. He 25 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: spoke for just over eight minutes, but a lot of 26 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: it was on individual players, and we'll get to that 27 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: in a moment. But a couple of things that I 28 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: think the Bird gang needs to know first and foremost 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: was one. And it's a question that we've had here 30 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: on Cardinals Cover two. I know the fans have as well. 31 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: Run game coordinator, it's a promotion. Yes, what does that mean? 32 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: And the question was asked specifically what changes now? And 33 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: Kugler danced around it. To be honest, he was not 34 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: forthcoming what it means as far as more responsibility, more say. 35 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: He had this to say, with respects to the offense, 36 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: though we do this whole thing collectively. The whole offense 37 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: is a collective effort of all the coaches. End quote. Now, 38 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, MJ, maybe things are different, but publicly, 39 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: at least from one person's perspective. We're not going to 40 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: know what run game coordinator means, either during the week 41 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: or specifically on game day. Craig, Before I give you 42 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: my answer, my thoughts, credit to you. You're the one 43 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: that makes the schedule when it comes to different positions. 44 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: So whether it was dumb luck or not, it's to 45 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: me great timing on your part. And just watching Sean 46 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: Kugler speak, he reminds me of mister clean. Yes, and 47 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: that's a good thing. Now, I don't know when it 48 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: comes to how it's going to affect him on game day. 49 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: We know in the past that Cliff has been very 50 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: complimentary of Steve Hyden, who's the tight ends coach. Coog's 51 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: the line coach, and now the running game coordinator, and 52 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: then James Sex and all have NFL experience, so that 53 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: comes to the run game. And you know, now you 54 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: got Sean Jefferson in there as the wide receiver coach. 55 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: I just on paper, I think this team feels like 56 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: they left some plays on the field last year, and 57 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: we know that the Cardinals were one of the top 58 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: three teams running ten personnel. That's kind of Kingsbury's you 59 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: know benchmark from the air raid. But I do think 60 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: we're going to see more eleven and twelve personnel, and 61 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: that means to get your bigs on the field, and 62 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: that means you're gonna possibly go three wide because you 63 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: have Hopkins. They got to find out who two and 64 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: three is. And then the tight ends. Do they address 65 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: the tight end position in free agency? They're limited in 66 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: the draft. I know they're excited about a guy like 67 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: Dan Arnold. Max Williams is a guy we're gonna have 68 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: to say, he's got to stay healthy. Cap numbers over 69 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: three million going into the season. So and then just 70 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: the fact that they're going to add another running back, 71 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: we think whether it's in free agency in the draft, 72 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: and I would lean with the draft to give Chase Edmonds. 73 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: And then you look at the running backs. Jonathan Ward 74 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: bigger back than you know, Benjamin if Chase Edmonds is 75 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: your featured back, but you know the offensive line, and 76 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, initially I was listening to it, and you know, 77 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: obviously the beat writers in our colleagues, you know, writing 78 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: stories off it, we're commenting off it. But I was 79 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: more curious about just the rotation, and I wasn't able 80 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: to get in there at this point, I just wait 81 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: and see to get more information. But I do think 82 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: they're going to try to control the line of scrimmage 83 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: and not just rely on Kyler Murray running around where 84 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, even though that's a factor. And I know 85 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: coordinator that tag has always been something that's been talked about. 86 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: And I know there was a big talking point earlier 87 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: this offseason about hey, hire an offensive coordinator, and we 88 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: knew that if there was going to be an offensive 89 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: coordinator hired, it didn't mean that offensive coordinator was going 90 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: to call plays, and that was never going to happen. 91 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: But if it was just a name only, so perhaps 92 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: run game coordinator. Yes, it's not offensive coordinator, but is 93 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: he going to have again more say so? And I 94 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: think even the past two years, we've all known and 95 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: you brought it up that Kingsbury is quick to give 96 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: credit to his coaching staff. So I do think it's 97 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: not a dictatorship. It's not one guy in there saying 98 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: we're going to do this. But during the week, what works? 99 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: You know, what plays work against this defense? You know, 100 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: how do we adjust? And then on game day it's 101 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: all on Kingsbury. It's the head coach and it stops 102 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: with him, and I just don't know honestly. Right now, 103 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: I don't think anything's going to change. It was just 104 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: a nice bumping pay and a nice title change for 105 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: Sean Coogler. Maybe it helps him if he wants to 106 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: become an offensive coordinator or a head coach down the line. 107 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: But the bottom line is we're not going to know 108 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: for certain until we see this team play games, and 109 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: not preseason games if there are any. But I'm talking 110 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: about regular season game weeks one, two, three, and so forth, 111 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: because otherwise we're just left to speculate. And I think 112 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people are going to do 113 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: based off what Kugler said without saying anything when as 114 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: specifically what changes with your new title. When you look 115 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: at Sean Coogler, you know he was a head coach 116 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: at UTEP. You'd really never called plays before, so that 117 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: doesn't surprise any But there are times when when sometimes 118 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: the Cardinals will release some footage from the sidelines that 119 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: could have been in you know, just a quick video 120 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: that was out that week. There are times that Coogler 121 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: does go to Kingsbury on the sidelines and said, I 122 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: think you should run this play and I know they 123 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: fist bumped ats that have worked, so little things like that. 124 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: Cliff obviously, you know, I don't know if it was 125 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: tongue in cheek on the Scott Pelt podcast, but he 126 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: said he would never give a play calling and that's 127 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: why you hired him. So I just think he's going 128 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: to have a little bit more say on game day 129 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: and in hey, let's do this where you know, Cliff 130 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: obviously has been very creative. One of the things that 131 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: I think he needs to work on is when things 132 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: are working, go back to that play versus trying to 133 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: unload your playbook because you've got to have play from 134 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: somebody else or et cetera. So work in progress there. 135 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: But maybe they don't put so much pressure on Kylin 136 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: Murray when it comes to running. You know, he's been 137 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: hurt the last couple of years. But I do think 138 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: he'll have more say on game day. But Monday through 139 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: Saturday is where the works put in. You just don't 140 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: wake up on a Sunday morning say we're going to 141 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: change what we worked on all week. But I do 142 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: think he'll have more say on game day, and it's 143 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: going to have to go through the head coach, but 144 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: he's got to trust Sean Kugler what he sees during 145 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: the week. And I think that's the key word what 146 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: you just said, as far as trusts and specifically on 147 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: game day. Sometimes it's the simple play, the easy play. 148 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: Let's just run it. It's third and short. We don't 149 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: need to get cute. Run it pounded in, get that 150 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: yard or two, move the chains, and then we can 151 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: be more exotic and more are creative as far as 152 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: the offense is concerned. The other point to make here 153 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: is something that Kugler brought up on his own. We've 154 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: talked a lot about the number of penalties and the 155 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: penalties on the offensive side and the pre snap penalties. 156 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: He brought it up talking about Sean Kugler when he 157 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: was asked about what this offense needs to do to 158 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: become more consistent, and he, again unprompted, brought up penalties 159 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: and pre snap penalties. Quote. Those are not tolerable. We 160 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: have to eliminate that end quote. So you know, if 161 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: the coaches are aware of it, We're obviously aware of it. 162 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: Fans are because it's front and center. You're easily able 163 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: to look up these stats. I do think that there 164 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: is going to be more accountability for these players to 165 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: eliminate pre and post snap during the game, holding calls, 166 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: past interference, effort penalties. Those are going to happen. But 167 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: you can't have false starts, you can't have the lay 168 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: of games, you can't get an unnecessary roughness after the whistle. 169 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: Those things. I think we will see a dramatic drop 170 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: and that's a good thing. And penalties in twenty twenty one, 171 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: I believe that Coogler is going to have bigger say 172 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to discipline. And if it's the offensive line. 173 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: Now we know that DJ Humphries and Justin you know 174 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: they both played well last year, but you know Justin 175 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: Pugh finished with the most penalized guard in football nine. 176 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: DJ Humphries, you know, you look at hump you know 177 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: he had some fall start penalties. And that's gonna be 178 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: Coogler now to say we're going to take somebody out 179 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: of the game. That that means Jo really as good 180 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: as your backups. And we'll get into some of the 181 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: details what the line could look like. Obviously we don't 182 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: know what's going to look like until the draft and 183 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: free agencies over do they add, do they resign some guys. 184 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I think you know, clips are 185 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 1: players coach does waste a lot of their time when 186 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: it comes to meetings. He's you know, he expected. But 187 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: I think Kugler's gonna have to be the disciplinarian and 188 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: that's okay. You know again, you don't want to have 189 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: too many yellers on your staff because players start to 190 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: tune you out. But I think it's important to have 191 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: one or two on on both sides of the ball. 192 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: I think Brunce and Buckner is kind of that guy. 193 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: He can speak for his unit and also he'll get 194 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: back back up from vance. And I think Googler has 195 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: a respect in the room from the entire unit just 196 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: based on his physicality and what he's trying to teach. 197 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: So maybe he's the guy against speculating there. Just don't know, 198 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: but there's a reason why he's going to have more 199 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: say to me. On game day. Again, Kingsbury's gonna call 200 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: the plays and everyone's gonna have to be on the 201 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: same page. No one likes to be yelled at, but 202 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: sometimes a good talking to, or even if it's a 203 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: seat next to the coach or the assistant for a 204 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: player or two just to kind of diffuse the situation 205 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: or get your your mind back focused on what the 206 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: task at hand is. Because, as we've discussed forty five 207 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: three snap penalties, Cardinals were the most penalized team in 208 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: all of football. One hundred and thirteen accepted penalties, and 209 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: almost forty percent of their total penalties happened before the 210 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: snap of the ball. That just that's inexcusable and to 211 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: use Googler's word, not tolerable. If it happens in the 212 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: first month of the season, then we're going to see 213 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: how much discipline this team has because it really starts 214 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: with the head coach. I mean, you can, you can 215 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: have some you know, dictators on offensive defense, but it 216 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: starts the head coach and then you know, but we'll 217 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: see on that. And when I look at it, Craig is, 218 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: you know, we're guys wearing down last year where they 219 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: started rotating players, you know, and we don't see that. 220 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: And I bring up Joe Judge when we got a 221 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: chance to hear him and talk to him. He said, 222 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: we're doing it because we're trying to build the future 223 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: of with the offensive line. They use their first pickdraft 224 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: and a left tackle he struggled in that game. Just 225 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: look at the numbers. But here the Cardinals, you know, 226 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: the second year in the same system, and they're rotating players. Now, 227 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: I do think Sweezy was wearing down. I loved his 228 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: physicality when he got here. He brought some physicality to 229 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: that side of the ball. We haven't got a chance 230 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: to see Marcus s Gilbert. I think Beacham did a 231 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: good job. But you know, if this team is going 232 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: to continue to have false part penalties and what do 233 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: they say, you're behind the sticks and you have a 234 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: stat when it comes to stall drives, you're shooting themselves 235 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: in the foot. So you know, I think they got 236 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: to settle on five guys, and you know, we know 237 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: that they're trying to create another five when it comes 238 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: to a second unit. That's what he alluded to. But 239 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: I was a little surprised that they were rotating players 240 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: late in the season because that's one unit where we 241 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: don't see rotation. You definitely see rotation on the defensive 242 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: line because those guys could be on the field for 243 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: seven eight minutes on a drive. And we might have 244 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: gotten a subtle answer as far as why there was 245 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: some rotation. I think you brought up a good point 246 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: as far as players wearing down, but there was another 247 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: aspect which we'll get into here in a moment. But 248 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: first things first, Bird Gang, if you haven't, make sure 249 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: you update to the lettst version of the Cardinals mobile 250 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: app today. The update features an all new redesign homescreen experience. 251 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: Visit asy cardinals dot com slash app four more as 252 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: we continue here on this Thursday, Cardinals covered two presented 253 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: by Hunday proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. Let's touch 254 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: on this rotation and the one position that we did 255 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: see a lot of it was the center position, and 256 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: Sean Coogler was asked about the center position Mason cole 257 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: Lamont Gilliard between those two Coal started fourteen games, Gilliard 258 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: started at two, but we did see a lot of 259 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: Gilliard late in the year, and without calling out a 260 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: particular player, I do think it was telling them what 261 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: Kugler had to say about the center position, saying there 262 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: were a lot of ups and downs. Overall, needs to 263 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: take the next step to get better, to get better 264 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: to help our offense, and maybe that's why we did 265 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: see some rotation at the center position only it wasn't 266 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: health related, performance related. They were trying to find something 267 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: who they could count on at the center, either Coal 268 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: or Gilliard. And maybe that's why we saw some rotation. 269 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: Based on what Googler had to say earlier, I would 270 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: agree with that. And you know, you mentioned Cole started 271 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: fourteen games, four false start penalties. I think that he 272 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: had two and two and two games in a row, 273 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: and then five tunnel penalties, which is most for the center. 274 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: They got to get better in the in the interior, 275 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: just based on the division. You know, you're not always 276 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: going to be able to contain Aaron Donald. He's a 277 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: mismatch and at least the last coordinator, Brandon Staley, started 278 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: moving him around, so that's always an issue. And then 279 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, Seattle's usually had a good front or you know, 280 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: linebackers that can shoot the gaps in kJ Wright and 281 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner, and you look at San Francisco, they've invested 282 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: in their off and their defensive line. So you got 283 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: to get better there. And you know, maybe a Q. 284 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: Shipley was the glue. I mean, you know, obviously not 285 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna win a you know, the awards 286 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: sitting you know the way he's dressing a uniform, but 287 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: he was kind of a bowling ball and he was 288 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: great for Kyler in his rookie season. I mean, I 289 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: know they Kyler took a ton of sacks and then 290 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: those numbers went down, so I want to give those 291 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: guys credit. But you know, I mentioned a guy like 292 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: Alex Mack who's a free agent. He's up there in age, 293 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: but I'm told when you watch the film, he's still 294 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: very productive. Now is he a five or six million 295 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: Tyler type guy, We'll see, but they definitely have to 296 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: look at the interior. And then he made some other 297 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: comments and I'll let you set those up, whether it's 298 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: justin Murray or even a guy like Josh Jones, because 299 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: they're trying to create not only the starting five, but 300 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: they also want don't want to have a drop off, 301 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: and we know it happens, but more playing time, more reps. 302 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: What Bird Gang should get out of this conversation is, 303 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: don't be surprised if there is someone brought in from 304 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: the outside, specifically at the center position. Overall, Googler address 305 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: that saying that's not out of the possibility. They want 306 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: competition at all. Five of their offensive line spots, but 307 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: specifically the center spot. You brought up mac Corey Lindsley. 308 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: He's twenty nine, he's due to become an unrestricted free agent. 309 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: We'll see if something gets done between now and the 310 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: start of the new league year. But he's the number 311 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: one center at least that I could find amongst Pro 312 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: Football Focus and all the other metrics out there. But again, 313 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: when you are talking about the offensive line, yeah, it's 314 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: usually the right or left tackle, but now we're seeing 315 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: the interior get paid and get paid a lot. And 316 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: is that a wise investment when we're just talking the 317 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: center position right here? Or do you hope that Cole 318 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: and Gilliard with some more experience, can be that guy, 319 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: or is there someone in this draft that they're really 320 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: high on at the center spot. Let's go back to 321 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers comments where a lot of people thought, you know, 322 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: he was saying that, you know, by winning the MVP 323 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: and he was disappointed they couldn't get further and they 324 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: draft a quarterback in the first round. He talked about 325 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: guys like Aaron Aaron Jones, who's really brought a really 326 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: good running game and he's a free agency and just 327 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, reports at Miami would throw a ton of 328 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: money in and they also mentioned Lindsay his center because 329 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: that's big. You know, they got David Terry at left 330 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: tackles he was out, and that Aaron Rodgers doesn't get 331 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: hit a lot, and they got the running game going, 332 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: they got they utilized Davante Adams in the passing game. 333 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that would be a high ticket item. 334 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: But you know, again, I think there's other players out 335 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: there and possibly the draft, but I think they got 336 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: to upgrade that position. Some other centers of note that 337 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: are due to become unrestricted free agents Austin Blythe, Matt Skura, 338 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: David Andrews, Austin Reader, those guys all twenty eight, twenty 339 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 1: nine years old. Lindsley, though, is the big name when 340 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: you're talking about centers that may be available. Just don't 341 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: know if that's a spot though, as far as dollar figures, 342 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: when you have a lower cap and not much salary 343 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: cap space, if that's a wise investment. Though, we are 344 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: talking about protecting your most important commodity, and that in 345 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. Let's move from inside and further go out 346 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: talking about the guard position. Because you brought up two names, 347 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: Justin Murray and Josh Jones. Now the latter, Jones the rookie. 348 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: We always figured he was going to be in the 349 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: mix for a tackle spot and maybe the air apparent 350 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: at right tackle if a Marcus Gilbert doesn't come back 351 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: or Kelvin Beecham isn't resigned. But according to Kugler, there's 352 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: some versatility with Josh Jones. He can play both tackle 353 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: and guard. So perhaps now without Jr. Sweezy in the 354 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: mix because he's to become an unrestricted free agent, you 355 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: got Justin Pugh on the left side, what do you 356 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: do at right guard? Is it a Josh Jones or 357 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: is it a Justin Murray, who Kugler was very high 358 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: on earlier. Josh Jones got a chance to get his 359 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: feet wet. He obviously was able to take a lot 360 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: of reps in practice. We know that he was ranked 361 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: in their top thirty on their top fifty board, and 362 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: that's why they valued him so high in the third round. 363 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: They didn't think he would be there considering they weren't 364 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: able to you know, we capture that second round pick, 365 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: So I like what I'm here and there? To me, 366 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: that's what it becomes you know, the more you can do, 367 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: and I always say that they're gonna go with the 368 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: best five guys. You know, I'm curious to see what 369 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: happens with Beacham. I thought he did a nice job. 370 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: I think he only gave up one sack the whole year, 371 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: and you know that's usually now teams have multiple pass rushers, 372 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: so it's not just the left tackle has to protect 373 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: obviously that's the blind side, but on the right side. 374 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: And they did bring in Josh Jones and a few 375 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: times as an extra blocker, so you know, it's just 376 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: a matter of time that you know you're gonna get 377 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: the third round pick in there and hopefully he's a 378 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: fixture for the next ten or twelve years. When you 379 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: talk about Josh Jones, his size alone, I think is 380 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: why people think six seven three ten that is bigger 381 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: than DJ Humphreys over on the left side. But here, 382 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: as we just kind of converse here on Cardinals cover too, 383 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: presented by Hunday proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, if 384 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: they do like Jones and or Murray inside, because don't 385 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: forget two years ago it was Murray who did a 386 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: good job playing tackle maybe you do resign At Calvin Beecham. 387 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: You do have Marcus Gilbert, who opted out a year ago, 388 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: coming back as he's still interested in plane. Don't know that. 389 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: I do know he recently got married, So congratulations to 390 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: mister and missus Marcus Gilbert. But maybe you go with 391 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: a veteran tackle, whether it's someone you know or maybe 392 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: someone on the market. And then you go younger at 393 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: the right guard position, and as they say, may the 394 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: best man win between Justin Murray and Josh Jones. And 395 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: when you look at you know, some of the other guys. 396 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked about Lamark Gilliard. I think he's 397 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: more of a backup rotation guy. I wonder if he 398 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: can play multiple positions. And then you mentioned Josh Miles. 399 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: You know, he's a guy that they said was a tackle. 400 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: But I gotta think in this day and age, you 401 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: gotta be able to do both things. You look at 402 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: Miles very similar to Hump, a little bit heavier, six 403 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: five three twenty five. He was a seventh round pick 404 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. So you know, you'd like to be 405 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: able to go eight to ten deep. We know that 406 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: they're going to dress eight on game day, and now 407 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: it's just a matter did they retain Calvin Beecham and 408 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: what's what's the best option if you want to move 409 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: Murray to right tackle depending on what happens with Gilbert. 410 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: And then you got Josh Jones, and again, as you 411 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: pointed out earlier, guards are getting just as much money, 412 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: not as a left tackle, maybe a right tackle, and 413 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: you would solidify that that box. And then in the 414 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: future when Humphreys gets, you know, a little bit older, 415 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,479 Speaker 1: and whether he gets another contract from the Cardinals or not, 416 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: you have an option to move Jones out there as 417 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: you're starting tackle, which he had forty starts at the 418 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: University of Houston. A couple of other names that the 419 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: Cardinals have on the roster with respect to that right 420 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: guard position. We'll get to the left side here in 421 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: a moment. But three players signed to futures contracts all guards, 422 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: Shaq Calhoun, Sean Harlow, and Coda Martin. Harlow the former 423 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: fourth round pick of the Atlanta Falcons back in twenty seventeen. 424 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: He's only played though in one game, and then Coda 425 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: Martin out of Syracuse twice was protected on the practice 426 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: squad six three oh four, so he is back in 427 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: the fold. And then there's another name, but it's a 428 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: tackle as Brandon Bowen, who was just recently signed six seven, 429 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: three fifteen. So they are flooding guard and tackle, and 430 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: I think looking specifically MG at that right side, and 431 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: then maybe even adding the center position, just trying to 432 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: figure out those three pieces to pair up with the 433 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: Humphreys and a pew. And then you look at Max Garcia, 434 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: where he can play both guard and center. Definitely has experience. 435 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: You know, he played in fourteen games mainly on special teams. 436 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: He's underrestricted again, he was coming off an injury last 437 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: year as he signed with the Cardinals, but he was 438 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: more of an insurance policy. And you know, again, I 439 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna have to pay a lot of money, 440 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: maybe more of a one year deal. And I think 441 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: you look at Jarra Sweezy, who started ten games nine 442 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: at right guard. Like I said, I really like the signing, 443 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: but I think his body's starting to wear down a 444 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: little bit, so I don't insisted him beat him being 445 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: on a radar for a one year deal awesome guys 446 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: might be on the radar and free agency with respects 447 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: to the guard position, Brandon Surf, Joe Tuney, Lane Taylor 448 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: Tyler Shatley. Now Surf and Tuney are two of the 449 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: better ones at their respective positions. Now again we're having 450 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: that conversation about Lindsley. You know, how much are you 451 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: willing to spend? Although it is important to have someone 452 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: to protect Kyle Murray open up rushing lanes, but you 453 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: typically don't see that on an interior position. Now, the 454 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: Cardinals did go out and signed Justin Pew a few 455 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: years back, gave him a lot of money, and I 456 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: think are very happy with how he has performed outside 457 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: of the penalties. The general manager, Steve com recently on 458 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: ninety eight seven FM Arizona Sports station, said, I think 459 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: Justin Pew had his best year as a Cardinal, talking 460 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: about what he did in twenty twenty. Now, maybe some 461 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: of the metrics and numbers don't always point that out, 462 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: but the general manager says, you had your best year. One, 463 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: you had your best year, and two. All this talk 464 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: about maybe upgrading left guard or cutting left guard to 465 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: save some money, No, that's just not happening. I think 466 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: we've maintained at least I have, and I think you're 467 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: an agreement. Can't speak for you, but I'm intrigued and 468 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: I'm excited for the upcoming season when it comes to 469 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: the left side. Now from the center over, Now the 470 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: good news, Craig, you mentioned Brandon Sheriff and Joe Tuney. 471 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about paying these guys fourteen fifty 472 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: in a year. And if you think Josh Jones could 473 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: be your future guard, that's why you drafted him in 474 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: the third round and they had a first round grade 475 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: on him. So that's that's what part of the draft is. 476 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: I mean, trying to find those diamonds in the rough, 477 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: guys that you had ranked pretty high, and you're in 478 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: Justin Pugh. I mean, I think if we would have 479 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: looked at it, you know, after the season, not knowing 480 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: Steve's thoughts and just based on the penalties and maybe 481 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 1: his run blocking versus pass protection, he could have been 482 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: a cap casualty. But that's not the case. And so 483 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: I think they're set for the left side, at least 484 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: for the upcoming season, and depending how Pew plays that 485 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: they could have some guys in the mix for next 486 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: off season. Now there's one player we have yet to 487 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: mention amongst the offensive line, and as we say, it's cliche, 488 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: but it's true. We save the best for lasts talking 489 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: about left tackle DJ Humphreys, and maybe a couple of 490 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: years ago we wouldn't have been saying that. But here 491 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: now someone MJ who has played started, not just played, 492 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: started all sixteen games for the past two seasons and 493 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: has performed very, very well. He's come a long way. 494 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: We've talked about his maturity off the field and on 495 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: the field, but you talk about protecting the quarterback's blindside. 496 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: Right now, the Cardinals have one of the best left 497 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: tackles in the game. He's getting paid as such, maybe 498 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: not top tier money. Remember he resigned ahead of free agency, 499 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: so it was his decision to resign and not hit 500 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: the free agent market. But he is among the best 501 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: top three, top five tackles and all of the National 502 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: Football League. I'll go a step further. According to Pro 503 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: Football Focus, the highest graded offensive lineman in twenty twenty 504 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: Wake Teller ninety two point three, Cleveland Trent Williams forty nine, 505 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: Ers ninety one point nine, David Faktieri ninety one point eight, 506 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: Zach Martin ninety one point three, Garrett Bulls ninety one 507 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: point three, DJ Humphries eighty eight point three over Dwayne Brown, 508 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: Quentin Nelson, Andrew Whitworth, and Corey Lindsay. Regardless of the position, 509 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: he's ranked sixth overall. And if you start looking at 510 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: when he got that extension, he was in the top 511 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: four or five at that position, he's not even in 512 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: the top eight or nine. So clearly, if he continues 513 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: to play like he is, he's going to get another contract. Well, 514 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: and right now he's a bargain and that's just you know, 515 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: it's a risk on his part and it's also a 516 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: risk on the team's part as well. But as far 517 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: as what he could be making versus what he is, yes, 518 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: he's a bargain for how well he is performing. But again, 519 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: it's all about timing. How we started today's show, Timing 520 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: is everything when it comes to contracts and when players 521 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: hit the free agent market. Just to go back a 522 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: year ago, Humphries already had his press conference, he already 523 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: had the extension, and he was getting getting ready to 524 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: get married and have a nice offseason, and he said, 525 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: I told my agent, I want to be here. Let's 526 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: make the number he could have. You know, he could 527 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: have been. They could have put the tag him and 528 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 1: obviously looked at free agency, but you know, now he's 529 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: under and he's a perfect age. I mean, the fact 530 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: that he was drafted at twenty yes didn't go well 531 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: for him. You know, he obviously used it as motivation 532 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: and I think once he had a child and now 533 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: he's married, you could see the maturity. A great locker 534 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: room guy. So that was a really good pick for 535 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. One other note with respects to Pro 536 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: Football Focus, they credited Humphreys with allowing just three sacks 537 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: on almost seven hundred pass blocking snaps. Let me say 538 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: that three sacks allowed on almost seven hundred pass blocking snaps. 539 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: And when we talk about sacks, it's a little bit 540 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: different with Kyle Murray because of how mobile he is, 541 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: and sometimes he holds onto the ball a little bit 542 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: too much, tries to do too much or try to 543 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: make that big play as opposed to getting rid of 544 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: the football. But what did we hear from Murray and 545 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: the offensive line a year ago at this time, the 546 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: forty eight sacks that this team had a year ago, 547 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: they wanted to cut that in half. They almost did. 548 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: Murray was sacked twenty seven times overall twenty nine times 549 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: by a Cardinals quarterback. Don't forget Chris Streveler in Week seventeen, 550 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: but Murray was sacked just twenty seven times as compared 551 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: to forty eight times the year prior. A lot of 552 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: that is the offensive line, a lot of that is 553 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: Kyle Murray getting smarter. But bottom line, when you look 554 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: at these numbers at the end of the season, hey, 555 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: where do we need to get better at? While we 556 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: need to get better at protecting number one? And I 557 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: think this offensive line did a very good job at 558 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: doing that. Yeah, and according to Pro Football Focus, they 559 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: credited over the last two seasons Murray with thirty six sacks. 560 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: So you're talking about from the team that's over seventy 561 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: five or seventy six. You're throwing strevelers. So they cut 562 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: that in half again towards the end of the season, 563 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: though he's getting hit a little bit more and they 564 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: weren't getting the plus yards like they have in the past. 565 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: But you know, to kind of recap, I'm glad that 566 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: Coogler mentioned the penalties because you can't shoot yourselves in 567 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: the foot. The margin for error. You know, last year 568 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: in the second half of the season was very small, 569 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: and I believe it was Captain Fitzgerald from the Risinar 570 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: Republic and the word he used inconsistency. Inconsistency across the 571 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: board at certain times. Clearly they were number one at 572 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: some point in the year when it came to total yards, 573 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: but I think they would have traded that in to 574 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: score more touchdowns in the red zone. Quote when we're rolling, 575 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: we're hard to stop. We showed flashes of that, but 576 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: flashes didn't get us to where we wanted to go. 577 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: And quote and he's obviously referring to the postseason and 578 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: a long playoff run eight and eight MJ. It's just 579 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: not going to cut it anymore. We can say that, 580 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: the fans can say that, but I think what you're 581 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: going to hear definitively from the coaching staff and the 582 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: players as we had closer and closer to the twenty 583 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: twenty one regular season, they're going to say that, maybe 584 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: not so many words, but five finishing five hundred watching 585 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: the playoffs from their couch. That is not going to 586 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: sit well with anyone, nor should it. And you know 587 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: that's why they you know, they brought in a new 588 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: wide receivers coach, and they promoted Sean Coogler, and you know, 589 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they got to win 590 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: more games. I mean, you can sit here and talk about, 591 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, averaging five yards of carry and Craig, it's 592 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: it's surprising to me. This team scored twenty two rushing 593 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: touchdowns and twenty one came from Kyler Murray and Kenyan 594 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: Drake the Loan. Another touchdown was Chase Evans. Yeah, because 595 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: remember that touchdown that Jonathan Ward scored against the Rams 596 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: that was officially credited as a pass, so not a run, 597 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: even though it was one of those shovel passes. I 598 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: wonder as we digress here from that, I wonder if 599 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: that just if that gets looked at differently at some point, 600 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: because literally, it's just a flip. I mean it's it's 601 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: like a six inch and instead of tossing it backwards, 602 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: which you run, you know, left or right, and it's 603 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: a toss play, it's a toss forward. And they say 604 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: that's a pass. Well, by the truest definition, Jess, it's 605 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: a pass. But it's the easiest completion you're ever going 606 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: to make. And for Christi Jebler, congratulations for him. He's 607 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: got his touchdown, but heck, M you and I could 608 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: do that and if found that mistake in Christian Kirk, 609 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: he dropped the touchdown correct and now would've been a 610 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: passing touchdown. And another game, I don't know if it 611 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: was a bubble screen or a screen pass where he 612 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: got down to close the goal line and he wasn't 613 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: able to get in. So that happened a couple of times. 614 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: So Christian Kirk, he could have had a couple more touchdowns. 615 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: And here we are he had the same amount of 616 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: touchdowns as DeAndre Hopkins. Before we wrap up the offensive 617 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: line conversation, we've done this with each position group. Now 618 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: we do mention a couple of draft prospects before we 619 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: get your thoughts, MJ. As far as whether you know sixteen, 620 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: as far as a first round pick is concerned, might 621 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: be something the Cardinal look at with respects to the 622 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: offensive line. In fact, Daniel Jeremiah of NFL dot Com 623 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: in one of his mocks, his first mock, he did 624 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,479 Speaker 1: project an offensive lineman and actually an interior offensive lineman, 625 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: Elijah Vera Tucker out of USC six four three fifteen 626 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: play guard in twenty nineteen tackle. In twenty twenty, he 627 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: actually mocked talking about Jeremiah mocked Vera Tucker to the 628 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: Cardinals at number sixteen. There's some tackles out there. The 629 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: biggest name is Pine Sewel out of Oregon, who did 630 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: not play last year, but the year prior in twenty 631 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: nineteen a unanimous All American. There's a couple of interior guys, 632 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: Why Davis out of Ohio, State Landon Dickerson out of Alabama. 633 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: Just some names out there, with respects to that sixteenth 634 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: overall pick. If on the board, it's not sexy. We 635 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: all want to see a pass catcher or a skilled 636 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: position player or someone on defense that can make an 637 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: immediate impact as opposed to someone who, by all accounts, 638 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: you're not gonna want to see or talk about, because 639 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: offensive line play doesn't get a lot of the credit 640 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: board attention unless something goes wrong. I like to look 641 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: at my cheat sheet what they do in free agency? 642 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: Did they bring in somebody that can played the interior? 643 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: It looks like they're, you know, stockpile guards and tackles. 644 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: I think, you know, because we know the game's one 645 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: of the trenches. And I think the Super Bowl proved 646 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: that based on you know, look at the offensive line 647 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: for the Buccaneers and then their defensive line, and we 648 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: know the Chiefs were out there without their two tackles, 649 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: So I got to think at some point whether it's 650 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 1: a d line and again that can they can check 651 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: that box in free agency Again what happens at corner. 652 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: I do think you're going to have to draft alignment 653 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: at some point in the draft, maybe that's a second 654 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 1: or third round. But right now they only have five picks, 655 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: and it wouldn't surprise me if they try to trade 656 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: down to get an extra three, and that's where you 657 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,959 Speaker 1: can check a couple of boxes, maybe a running back, 658 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: maybe apostle me an interior offensive lineman or d lineman. 659 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: So it's hard to forecast what they're gonna do, but 660 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: I guess we'll know more. And if you follow a 661 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: lot of teams what they don't get in free agency. 662 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: They have a tendency to use the best player available 663 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: with a slight need, and that happens and again you 664 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: stick to your board, and clearly the Cardinals when they 665 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: drafted Isaiah Simmons, he was the best player on their 666 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: board when they were picking an eighth overall I think 667 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: he was close to Chase Young and Jeffakuta, and at 668 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: the time, they really didn't need Jeffakuta and Chase Young. 669 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: It would have cost you to move up, you know, 670 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: just reading between the lines a little bit. When Kugler 671 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: was talking about Josh Jones, he mentioned that he thought 672 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: it was a good thing that Jones did not have 673 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 1: to play, or at least play and start this year, 674 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,919 Speaker 1: because in Kugler's mind, you know, that first or maybe 675 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: even that second year, you get your feet wet and 676 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: you don't really become that starter until your third or 677 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: fourth year. Now we know that's kind of back in 678 00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: the day, and now it's hey, what have you done 679 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: from you? We need you to produce right now. But 680 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 1: we've seen offensive lineman a little bit slower to adjust 681 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: to the pro level coming from college. And I just 682 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: wonder now as we're talking here that perhaps when it 683 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: comes to free agency, maybe the Cardinals are more apt 684 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: to look at a guard or a center as opposed 685 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: to drafting one at least when we talk about that 686 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: number one pick now, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round. Fine, 687 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: that's for future, but I'm talking about who can make 688 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: an immediate impact. In twenty twenty one, is it going 689 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: to be the sixteenth overall pick tackle or guard or 690 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: can it be someone you sign in free agency to 691 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: fill that spot. The good news for guy like Josh 692 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 1: Jones is he had a lot of veteran presence in 693 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: that room, Humphreys, Pew, Marcus Gilbert when he was around. 694 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: You look at a guy like Calvin Beecham, Max Garcia, 695 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: Jarra's tweezy. The problem is, Craig, when you look at 696 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: the college game, they're all run the spread offense, and 697 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: because of the hass Marx, it's a lot different than 698 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: the felt they're not getting into three point stance and 699 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: that's an issue. And Google said sometimes it takes guys 700 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: two or three four years, but he said, now they're 701 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: coming in and they're getting a chance to play right away. 702 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it's nice to sit there and say we 703 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: want to sit this guy for two years, but that 704 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: in this day in age, if he's ready to go. 705 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 1: So I think he had a lot of affection presents. 706 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: I just think we got to wait and see what 707 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: happens in free agency. It's not a cop out because 708 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: if you lose Patrick Peterson, what do you do there? 709 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: You know, do they look at receiver at sixteen because 710 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: if they don't address that in free agency, they can 711 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 1: go best to Bello a player there, try to trade 712 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: down get an extra three. So it's going to be interesting. 713 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: And you know, according to Steve, the coaches are going 714 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: to be back in the office, They're going to go 715 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: through their free agent list. They're gonna take their recommendations, 716 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: and then they'll put a grade on each guy and 717 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: then go from there. So usually we were at the 718 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: combine over the last couple of years at this time, 719 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: and that's when you walk through the lobby you see 720 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: you know, a GM and an agent talking. I still 721 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: think that stuff's going on right now over the phone 722 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 1: or virtual so business as usual. But the official tampering 723 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: period will start on March fifteenth. Bird Gang. If you 724 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: want to make sure you never miss an episode of 725 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: Cardinals covered two or your other favorite shows like Cardinals Underground, 726 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: The Big Right, Rage, The Cardinals, Read c Report. 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What 735 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: did you make of Adam Schefter reporting earlier today that 736 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: a to Russell Wilson's agents, Mark Rogers, Russell Wilson has 737 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: told the Seahawks he wants to play in Seattle, but 738 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: if a trade were considered, the only team he would 739 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: go to are the Cowboys, Saints, Raiders, and Bears. My 740 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: first reaction to MJ. I didn't hear an NFC West 741 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: team amongst those four. So by all means, Russell, if 742 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: you want to head out of town, I'll open up 743 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 1: the door. I'll help you on your way, so we 744 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about Russell Wilson anymore in the division. Well, 745 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: really it interesting article well reporting, including Mike Sando on 746 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: the athletic website. They talk about a game in Arizona 747 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,760 Speaker 1: where Russell Wilson, you know, he had coming off throwing 748 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: seven interceptions in the previous game. There he was the 749 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: MVP of the month of September. You can put him 750 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: in that conversation and he stormed out and you could 751 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: tell that, you know, when he was on the cover 752 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: GQ and then Jason and four who puts a lot 753 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: of stuff out there, and he was right. And then 754 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 1: all of a sudden he goes on Dan Patrick and 755 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: he's asked about should I and be involved in the process. 756 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing. Just a couple of years ago, 757 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: Jerikoff got that extension, a couple of years ago, Carson 758 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: Wentz got that extension, and you know, I do think 759 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: his wife, Sierra has a lot to do with this. Initially, 760 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: Colin Cowherd said that he wanted to play in New York. 761 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: I didn't see the Jets or Giants on there. The 762 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: Jets had the second pick. But I think Vegas is 763 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: a viable option. I really do. It looks like, you know, 764 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: the Raiders have always trying to upgrade Derek Carr. I 765 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: think he's been good there. John Gruden has a relationship 766 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: When he had his quarterback camp there. Tom Cable is 767 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: their offensive line coach, and that's when he was with 768 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and Sierra can play in Vegas, so I 769 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: think Vegas could be a viable option. It's just amazing 770 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: that you know, these guys, you signed these contract extensions 771 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: and teams are willing to take this dead money against 772 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,280 Speaker 1: the cap. And that's why I'm rooting for the Houston Texans. 773 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: Don't cave in on Deshaun Watson. If he wants to 774 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: sit out a year, let him sit out. Well, it's 775 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,800 Speaker 1: just crazy. And you know, we see in the NBA 776 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: you get two or three, you know, stars, and you 777 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: make a super team. If you're the best player on 778 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: your team. In the NFL, you could force your way out, 779 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: and I think that was evident last year before Deshaun 780 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: Watson had an MVP type season, that was DeAndre Hopkins, 781 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs. He forced his way out. So it seems 782 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: like that said, I don't think if you're you know, 783 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: the starting left tackle you can do that. But it 784 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: just seems like if you're one of the best players 785 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,839 Speaker 1: on your team, regardless of the contract, and you know 786 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: the CAP's gonna go up to two ten next year hopefully, 787 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,359 Speaker 1: so you could see teams that are willing to push 788 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: the money around. But I'm shocked that Russell Wilson, who 789 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: said he wants to play to his forty years old, 790 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: may not be in being in Seattle, and we'll see 791 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: if they make a trade. But I do think the 792 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 1: Vegas could be a viable option. And maybe Jerry Jones, 793 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he likes new toys. And Dak 794 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: Prescott is one of the better quarterbacks in the league, 795 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 1: so very interesting in Chicago. I don't know, Well, he 796 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: is a Midwest guy. I mean he was at Wisconsin 797 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 1: for a couple of coffee before moving to NC State. 798 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,919 Speaker 1: So perhaps, But I'll go back to something you said, 799 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: it's times are certainly changing, and maybe they've already changed 800 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: in the NFL as far as player movement, because I'll 801 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,839 Speaker 1: go back to what Schefter tweeted early in the offseason. 802 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: He put the over under on eighteen quarterbacks moving, and 803 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: he'd say, I'll go with the over. Yet I did 804 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 1: not expect that to include a Jared Goff and he's 805 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: on the move. Didn't even expect that to be with 806 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: maybe even a Carson Wentz or Matthew Stafford. Well, there's 807 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: two and three on the move. And now we're talking 808 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: about Russell Wilson, who's synonymous with the Seattle Seahawks, and 809 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: to see that separation again not probably not going to 810 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: happen this year, but there is certainly more noise with 811 00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: this than a week ago, even yesterday. So the latter 812 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 1: it gets, the more uncomfortable things tend to be. And 813 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: when things get uncomfortable, that's when decisions get made, and 814 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,800 Speaker 1: perhaps some guys packed their bags and we'll be playing elsewhere. 815 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, I listened to Steve Weishan. He 816 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 1: kind of alluded to what you said. Normally it's the 817 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 1: following season. You know, they let go Richard Sherman, they 818 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: got rid of Earl Thomas, and I gotta think those 819 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: guys are all laughing right now because you're seeing some 820 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: guys tweet some stuff out. You know, Sherman had had, 821 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, the zip rover his lips and an emoji, 822 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 1: so there. I think it's comical because you know, all 823 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: along it was a defense and now, you know, you 824 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 1: look at Pete Carroll's record without Russell Wilson versus with 825 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. I mean, there's a reason why Pete Carroll's 826 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,800 Speaker 1: with the Jets and the Patriots, and you know, obviously 827 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: did a great job at USC to me, the most 828 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 1: important people in your building head coach and quarterback, and 829 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: they got to be on the same page. Well, we'll 830 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 1: see what happens. Maybe by the time we joined you 831 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,760 Speaker 1: burg Gang the next time, that will have some movement, 832 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 1: or maybe another quarterback domino about to fall, because it 833 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 1: is heck, we haven't even hit in March yet, we 834 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: haven't even gotten to the new league year, and there's 835 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,279 Speaker 1: already so much movement when you're talking about the most 836 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 1: important position on the football field. And on that note, 837 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 1: we will put a lid on this edition of Cardinals 838 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: Cover two presented by Hunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 839 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: As always, special thanks and appreciation to our executive producer 840 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,919 Speaker 1: Jim mohund For Mike Jarecki, I'm preg Riel Loup. We'll 841 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: talk to you next time you're on Cardinals Cover two.