1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Shut up and sing. It's one more thing. I'm strong 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: and geddy, one more so we're about to play a 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: clip a John Cougar mellencamp uh talking at a concert. 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Is this one of the concerts that he's doing with 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,159 Speaker 1: Willie Nelson and Bob Dylan? Or is he on his 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: own here? 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: On his own here? 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: Okay, so he's touring with I know he's gonna be 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: I think at the Hollywood Bowl in LA which i'd 10 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: like to see Melonhead, Willie Nelson and the ancient Bob Dylan. 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: Of course, Bob Dylan's not ancient compared to Willie Nelson, 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: who just turned ninety. All right, it's gotta be something 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: when he sings. I was just reading the set list 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: on these concerts, and Willie sings among these classics. Funny, 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: how time slips away? Did it slip away? You've been 16 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: on ninety years. I don't think it slipped away. Something 17 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: happened to you when you were thirty. It was sixty 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: years ago. It didn't just slip away. But I thought 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: the set list would be interesting. It's not. Really. It's 20 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: pretty much the songs you expect. Melonhead sings, pink houses 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: and you know that sort of stuff. 22 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: I wonder why he's touring. A couple of years ago, 23 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: he said he had no interest in being a jukebox. 24 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: If people didn't particularly want to hear new music or 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: new versions of old songs, that's fine. He had no 26 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: interest in being a jukebox. 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: He did get a tooth knocked out by his kid, 28 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: like a year or so ago. Did that cause him 29 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: any financial difficulties? And his son got in a fistfight. 30 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: I'd imagine he can afford basic dentistry, but I don't know. 31 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 2: I have no idea of his financial wherewithal. 32 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: Why is will he doing it? 33 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: That's just what he does. I don't think he can 34 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: imagine any other life, right, And like Keith Richards the 35 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: Rolling Stones, why in the world would they play more shows, 36 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: much less launch a giant tour. 37 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: Well, I think Willie, that's what they do. Willie's paying 38 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: off his tax debts, right. I don't know if he 39 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: still has that. But that story was thirty years ago, Michael. 40 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: But he also he travels with his sons. I've watched 41 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: some of the videos from the bus, and his kids 42 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: are like sixty so, but he travels with his sons 43 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: who are in the band too, so it's probably probably 44 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 1: a pretty good time. I mean, what would be better 45 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: than that? Really? Actually, I can't think of anything that 46 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: would be better than that. So and then Bob Dylan. 47 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what Bob Dylan's doing. He is exactly. 48 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: He doesn't need the money or the acclaim or the 49 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: Maybe he likes hotels. I don't know. But John Cougar 50 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: is on stage for a while, and do we need 51 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: to know anything else about that? Just then that No, 52 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: he starts, he's just talking to the crowd. Okay, here 53 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: we go, and she went. 54 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: It's just like he ready to be as smart like 55 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: when I'm talking to Jesus. Then he got no quiet. 56 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: What do you think? 57 00:02:54,560 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 3: I mean, Hey, Joe, find this guy and let me 58 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 3: see him after the show. Anyway, before I was so 59 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 3: rubina and rupted. Guys, I can stop this show right 60 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 3: now and just go right. 61 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: Since you've been so. 62 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: Wonderful, I'm gonna cut about ten songs out of the show. 63 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: Here we go. Then did Jack so much? That's a 64 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: tape of show's over? Did he actually leave? 65 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 3: Wow? 66 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: And he actually left? That's not cool. 67 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: Don't let an a hole and the show? So you 68 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: heard that the crowd was entirely on your side. One 69 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: guy so is into a story. Some guy'll play some music, 70 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: which is hurtful if you're telling a story that you 71 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: think is either funny or important or something like that. 72 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: Right, and but yeah, I think the rest of the 73 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: crowd was at least willing to listen to your story, 74 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: if not enthusiastic about it. Yeah, that was weeks. 75 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: No, it sounded like they were with him. They laughed 76 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: at the joke and everything. It was just fine. 77 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: And some of them even went ah hey at the 78 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: guy who interrupted him. So a lot of people did. 79 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 80 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: So then he plays like six bars of jack and 81 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: and leaves. 82 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, he's old and bitter. 83 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,119 Speaker 1: I d enough time for that. I have thought about 84 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: this a lot. So on Charlie Rose, which I miss 85 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: a lot, the TV show he had in the same week, 86 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: I think John Mellencamp and John Prine. If you don't 87 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: know Joe Pryne, he was a very old singer songwriter 88 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: who never had commercial success like John Mellencamp, but was 89 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: a hugely adored by people who liked music anyway. He 90 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: died COVID but had them on both that week, so 91 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: they're both super old and at the end of their careers. 92 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: And it struck me how John Prine had what I 93 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: hope I can have when I'm old, but I don't 94 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: think I can because I don't even have it now. 95 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: He just had, He just had, like a rye. This 96 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: is kind of funny, isn't it, view of getting older. 97 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: I mean, this is almost amusing what this is, like 98 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: the health problems and the this and the that, and 99 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: the kids and the marriage and just the way the 100 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: songs were like that too. But John Mellencamp was clearly 101 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: a bitter it went by too fast, sad, and I 102 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: relate to those feelings, but just you know, I wish 103 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: I wish I were still thirty, you know, that sort 104 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: of thing. And I thought those are There's two really 105 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: good examples, has nothing to do with being famous, of 106 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: how you approach getting older, and you either just accept 107 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: it and kind of enjoy it and marvel at its 108 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: everything that it's evolved, or be really bitter that you're 109 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: not thirty and cool anymore, like Mellencamp was. And I 110 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: just thought that was interesting, And I think you think 111 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: a little bit there. 112 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. Well, let me start with this was 113 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: playing golf the other day and we saw some distance 114 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: away a mutual friend talked about him a little bit. 115 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: One of the most cheerful guys you've ever met. This 116 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 2: guy wakes up in the morning cheerful, he goes to 117 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 2: bed cheerful. He's just made like that. And it's an 118 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: amazing blessing. And I commented to my buddy, who also 119 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: has a more than one kid, I said, anybody who's 120 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: raised multiple kids knows you come out of the womb 121 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: like that, or you don't. I've always said that, And 122 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: this number is pulled out of my imagination that you 123 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: got maybe about fifteen twenty percent around the edges. You 124 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: can push yourself in this way or push yourself in 125 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: that way, but you are who you are. And I 126 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: just I don't know. Could John Mellencamp have ever been 127 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: John Prine in his old age? 128 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: Maybe? 129 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. 130 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: I don't know either. You're I think you're right about that. 131 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: And at fifteen and twenty percent, you could either go 132 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: fifteen percent more bitter and awful, yeah, or fifteen percent 133 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: more cheerful and optimistic, and that that makes a big 134 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: difference in your life. I'm not saying it's insignificant. I'm 135 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: just saying my buddy's name is Dan. 136 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: I was born annoyed. 137 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: I'm never going to be Dan, and I love the 138 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: guy and we're good friends. Actually, I think my cerbic 139 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: eye rolling view of the world is amusing to him 140 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: and blah blahlh whatever it works. The one thing I know, 141 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: and I try, I've tried to be honest about this 142 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: with myself. 143 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: All of us want, all of us attribute. 144 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: Our good qualities to choice and our bad qualities to genetics. 145 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a strength of character, I know. 146 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, all the good things about me are because I 147 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: chose to be that way, and I worked hard to. 148 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: Be that right, right. I gotta admit when I when 149 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: I was taking in the two different attitudes about growing 150 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: older and your and your your best days being behind you, 151 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: I related the emotions of John Mellencamp a lot more 152 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: than John bri I'd like to be like John Pryan, 153 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: but I feel in my head, in my heart more 154 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: like John Mellencamp for whatever reason, because I think I'm 155 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: born that way. I was. This is why I am. 156 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 157 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: And then there's the. 158 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 2: Question of epigenetics, which is one of my favorite things 159 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: I ever learned. You have your genetics, but then you've 160 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 2: got a bunch of things in your genes. 161 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: Try to end up with a half cat, half dog 162 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: sort of situation. Is that what that is? 163 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's right exactly. Yeah, yeah, uh no. It's 164 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 2: there are like triggers that you have genetically, and if 165 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: certain things happened to you or you run into them, 166 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: that those switches might be flipped. But if you don't 167 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: go through those things, they won't be If your environment 168 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: is you have good nutrition or whatever, it'll never manifest 169 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: itself itself. 170 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: It's not like. 171 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 2: The entirety of who you are is determined by your genetics. 172 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: Your experience in your life plays a role too, in 173 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: various ways. But you know, we're in the early days 174 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: of really understanding that stuff. 175 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: I just remember so they both sang songs that week, 176 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: and John Prine's song at that time. This is the 177 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: last album before he died. I think it was when 178 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: I Get to Heaven, And there's a line in there 179 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: something about I'm gonna kiss that pretty girl on the 180 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: tilta whirl, I'm gonna smoke a cigarette that's nine miles long. 181 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: It's like looking back on the best parts of your 182 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: life and wanting to relive them or getting to smoke 183 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: cigarette again. And John Cooper had a line in his 184 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: song and all your best efforts don't amount to anything anymore, 185 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: and I thought, wow, that's just such two different views 186 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: of where you are at the end of your career. 187 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: And one of you is happy and one of you 188 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: is miserable. But like you said, maybe you can't control that. 189 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. 190 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. That's interesting acceptance is that how much 191 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 2: of that is inborn, your capacity to just accept your 192 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: life and it's reality. 193 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to be a really bitter old person. I 194 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: think I'm pretty. 195 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that. 196 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: I will be quite self deprecating, but a bitter old person. 197 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I might be changing my number. 198 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: I don't know. 199 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: What makes you think I want to call you idiot? 200 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: Come on, now, that's that would have been funny. 201 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's it.