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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today

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Speaker 1: when we have Crystal. Indeed, we do lots of big

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Speaker 1: The Proud Boys appear to have been mobilized around January sixth,

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Speaker 1: only after Trump tweeted that there would be a quote

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Speaker 1: wild protest in DC on that day. According to the

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Speaker 1: government's indictment, Tario and other Proud Boys formed a new

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Speaker 1: chapter of the organization, sort of an elite Proud Boys unit,

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Speaker 1: I guess, on December twentieth, called the Ministry of Self Defense.

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Speaker 1: The focus, Tario said, is quote national rally planning. So

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Speaker 1: Trump's tweet about a wild protest was December nineteenth. They

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Speaker 1: start this group on December twentieth, So you know, the

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Speaker 1: government's trying to indicate like Trump really inspired these guys

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Speaker 1: to pull the gap. They're this sort of like militant

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Speaker 1: armed group and to execute this planning for January sixth.

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Speaker 1: Shortly thereafter, they say, someone sent Tario a nine page

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Speaker 1: plan titled quote seventeen seventy six Returns. It included plans

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Speaker 1: for occupying a number of buildings in Washington. In a

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Speaker 1: video chat December thirty if, Tario told members of the

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Speaker 1: MOSD that what would happen on January sixth would be

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Speaker 1: quote completely different than the group's past demonstrations and wouldn't

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Speaker 1: simply be a quote night march and flexing. So this

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Speaker 1: is some of the evidence the government is laying out

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Speaker 1: to say this wasn't just you know, proud boys. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: they're sort of notorious for being mayhem, mischief, may showing

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Speaker 1: up at rallies and getting into scuffles and you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of having like an inclination or an acceptance of

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Speaker 1: violence in their ranks. That there was planning involved, that

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Speaker 1: they actually had these documents that lay down a plan

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Speaker 1: to occupy buildings. They have messages between them, you know,

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Speaker 1: plotting out what they're going to do on the day,

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Speaker 1: And so that is the case. Ultimately, that they are

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Speaker 1: laying out. Yeah, and look, I mean I think that

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Speaker 1: they have a pretty good case for what like for

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Speaker 1: illegal entry, mischief, you know, maybe even conspiracy to that effect.

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Speaker 1: But again, I just want to emphasize seditious conspiracy. It's

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Speaker 1: an extraordinary charge that's being brought, and I honestly do

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Speaker 1: think it's political. I think it's being brought by the

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Speaker 1: Department of Justice in order to try and mollify and

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Speaker 1: satisfy kind of these bloodthirsty dems. We're like, what are

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Speaker 1: we going to do to try and make sure that

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Speaker 1: these people are held accountable? And look, I think it

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Speaker 1: exposes a lot of the ways that they think about,

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Speaker 1: you know, criminal justice and kind of how it should

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Speaker 1: be used against people that they look at as you know,

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Speaker 1: they're fine or they're they're the real criminals. And then

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Speaker 1: you know our side, who does anything similarly, It's like, no,

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Speaker 1: that's not how the law works, nor should it should

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Speaker 1: be equal application of the law. And let's throw this

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Speaker 1: final one up there on the screen, because I also

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Speaker 1: think that this just goes to show you the Justice

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Speaker 1: Department here is bringing a contempt case against Peter Navarro

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Speaker 1: for not complying with the not complying with the request

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Speaker 1: of the January sixth Committee. Now, is Peter Navarro technically

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Speaker 1: in violation of the law. Yeah, but how many times

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Speaker 1: have we seen contempt charges moved from Congress to the

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Speaker 1: Justice Department and they refuse to actually prosecute it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it actually doesn't happen all that often for the Justice

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Speaker 1: Department to specifically carry out the contempt charge because a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, and I hate to say this, a

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Speaker 1: lot of people actually are in contempt of Congress. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't simply just comply. But the Justice Department,

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Speaker 1: Merrick Garland's Justice Department, is making them the enforcers on

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Speaker 1: the January sixth Committee. I'm not saying that they shouldn't comply.

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Speaker 1: It's a legal charge. They're supposed to, but the application

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Speaker 1: of law again shows you what the priority actually is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know this one. I think this dude should

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Speaker 1: be held in contempt because, I mean, you can't have

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Speaker 1: a congressional body, whether you're like super into the January

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Speaker 1: sixth Committee or not, that has the power to compel

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Speaker 1: people to testify and people can just say screw you,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to with you. Nothing happens. I think

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Speaker 1: the charge against him is completely fine. I just wish

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Speaker 1: that everybody who's held in contempt of Congress actually got prosecuted.

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Speaker 1: That's that's fine, just because it's not you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it should be consistently applied. But you can't just say like,

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Speaker 1: we're just not gonna get like you can just go

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Speaker 1: to Congress and when they can, you know, ask you

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Speaker 1: to testify or not. So I think if you're going

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Speaker 1: to have a government and have a state, you have

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Speaker 1: to be able to enforce rules like this. So I

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Speaker 1: have no problem with Peter Navarro or Steve Bannon or

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Speaker 1: you know, if Mark Meadows who also didn't comply with

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Speaker 1: their requests and others being held in contempt, I have

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Speaker 1: no problem with charge them. That's completely fine. I'm more

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Speaker 1: saying I know that there is not an equal application

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Speaker 1: of the law because I've seen several contempt charges not

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Speaker 1: get brought against other people, and I just think it. Look,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the thing that it feeds into is the

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Speaker 1: witch hunt narrative that a lot of people who look

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Speaker 1: at this and say, look, you see these January sixth

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Speaker 1: people who are still they're still in prison, like a

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Speaker 1: Washington DC jail. Marjorie Tailor Green and Matt Gates are

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Speaker 1: like always talking about this, and I mean, look, it

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Speaker 1: is unjust, but you also see the seditious conspiracy charge

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Speaker 1: of that millions of dollars a Justice Department has spent

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Speaker 1: on this and no real investigation now millions of dollars

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Speaker 1: spent by Congress prime time. I just think it feeds

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Speaker 1: into that narrative, and I do think it delegitimizes, actually

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Speaker 1: some of the power of Congress in the eyes of

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Speaker 1: the people. Now look, I mean, you know it's got

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Speaker 1: eight percent appropal rating. I mean I believe in the

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Speaker 1: equal application of lobs. Yeah, yeah, of course, And I

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Speaker 1: mean this is not people's top day to day priority.

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Speaker 1: But overwhelmingly the American people were horrified by this day.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the idea that people who were involved

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Speaker 1: should be appropriately held to account and the existing laws

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Speaker 1: applied to them. I have zero problem with that whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: And I do think it's a fake narrative that's been

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Speaker 1: spun about, Like you know that there's there is a

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Speaker 1: contingent on the right that just wants everybody to be

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Speaker 1: left off the hook and paint someone's like they were

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Speaker 1: just tours taking selfies and no big deal. No, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the application of the law here is actually important. You

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Speaker 1: can't just have it where, you know, if you don't

542
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Speaker 1: like what the congressional body is doing, you can just

543
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Speaker 1: say screw you, I'm not going to show up. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I also don't want to downplay even as

545
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Speaker 1: some of these people were buffoonish and some of the

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Speaker 1: some of their plots, you know, completely ridiculous and had

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Speaker 1: no chance of working, they were serious about wanting to

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Speaker 1: do this, wanting to overthrow the government. I do think

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Speaker 1: that that's something we should take seriously. Definitely. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and that is why I actually look at people like

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Speaker 1: John Eastman and some of those people who were legitimately

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Speaker 1: legally trying to do this. I'm like, those are the

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Speaker 1: people you really should be And Ethman, Yeah, that's a

554
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Speaker 1: weird one because this is not some I mean, he

555
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Speaker 1: obviously is a crank, but he came from this like

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of intellectual, legitimate lawyer, background, legitimate lawyer,

557
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Speaker 1: all this stuff, and he was very involved in trying

558
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Speaker 1: to come up with some like high minded stop this deal,

559
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: use exploiting some ambiguity in constitutional language to try to

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Speaker 1: make this thing a reality, and so, I mean, it

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Speaker 1: is troubling to learn that there were people who were

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Speaker 1: sort of engaged in this plotting behind the scenes, again

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Speaker 1: whether or not it was realistic for it ultimately to

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Speaker 1: be pulled off. So the last piece about this, let's

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Speaker 1: go ahead and put this New York Times tear sheet

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. The New York Times take here

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Speaker 1: is that January sixth hearings give Democrats a chance to

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Speaker 1: recast mid term message. With the majority of state, Democrats

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Speaker 1: plan to use the sixth high profile hearings to refocus voters'

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Speaker 1: attention on Republicans' role in the attack. I mean, spoiler alert,

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Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. People have already. People have

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Speaker 1: processed January sixth. However, they're going to process January sixth.

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Speaker 1: What November is going to be about is how people

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Speaker 1: are feeling about their own bank accounts, the direction of

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Speaker 1: the country right now under Joe Biden. Inflation is the

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Speaker 1: number one issue. You know, we have seen it's just

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Speaker 1: like gun violence and a become more significant in terms

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Speaker 1: of people's directions. But ultimately, it's not complicated to understand

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Speaker 1: what this election is going to be about. People feel

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Speaker 1: very negative about the economy. They expect there to be

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Speaker 1: a recession. They're getting pay cuts every month and every

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Speaker 1: week because of inflation, and that's what they're ultimately going

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Speaker 1: to vote on. Obviously, I don't understand how they can

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Speaker 1: possibly think this recast the mid term message. You know, frankly,

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Speaker 1: they'd be better off going with COVID, and nobody cares

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Speaker 1: about COVID anymore. So this is even lower on the rankings.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's incredible, like it's impeachment all over again.

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Speaker 1: Why they are unable to just reckon with what's really

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Speaker 1: happening in terms of what voters care about. You know,

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden tiss today hit the lowest ever in the

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Speaker 1: history of his presidency, lower than Donald Trump's approval rating

592
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Speaker 1: some thirty one percent, and not just that he's got

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Speaker 1: a fifty six percent disapproval, it's twenty some percent approval

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Speaker 1: amongst independents. What's the number one reason that people are

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Speaker 1: upset inflation? What's the number and two reason people are

596
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Speaker 1: upset also inflation? Number three is probably healthcare, which also

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Speaker 1: has to do with inflation because that continues to go up.

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Speaker 1: Number four is like housing, so does that happen to

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Speaker 1: do with any of this and the media obsession anytime,

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Speaker 1: you know, I had to stop, I had to turn

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Speaker 1: off phone notifications for these media companies go be like

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Speaker 1: so and so is just served with a I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I literally don't care. And I know

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Speaker 1: from doing the show that other people don't care. A

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Speaker 1: lot more people that don't watch the mainstream media, which

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Speaker 1: is the vast majority of people in this country who

607
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Speaker 1: would either tune them out or tune in to something else,

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00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: care about something far differently, which is why when we

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Speaker 1: do stories about the trailer park going up, like that's

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Speaker 1: the stuff that really affects people's lives and they have

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Speaker 1: no seeming connection. Media especially throw this one up there.

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Speaker 1: I love this from Yoemish alsendor Over at NBC News.

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Speaker 1: Democrats need to quote make people care. This is what

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Speaker 1: they always say about the January six hearings, more than

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Speaker 1: gas prices are maybe formula Yeah, you should care more

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Speaker 1: about the genuine committee and about a seditious conspiracy charge

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00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: against some cranks and the Proud Boys, more than whether

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Speaker 1: you can feed your child or drive to work. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is the height of the way that they see

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Speaker 1: the world and why what they feel like is most

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Speaker 1: important continues to just be massive disconnect from everybody else. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's just no denying that. And I think

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Speaker 1: she's not wrong in that if Democrats could pull off

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Speaker 1: the magic trick of making January sixth the number one issue,

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Speaker 1: that would be a much better landscape for them for

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Speaker 1: the midterms. But that is clearly not going to happen

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Speaker 1: at this point. And I also think it's important to

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Speaker 1: remember that part of why they keep grasping for something

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Speaker 1: like let's just talk about January sixth again, is because

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Speaker 1: to focus on the issues that people are telling posters

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Speaker 1: are their number one issues day to day would require

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Speaker 1: actually doing work, would require actually challenging their corporate donors,

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Speaker 1: would require actually, you know, having some political imagination, having

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Speaker 1: some political courage, having some plan and vision for the future.

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Speaker 1: And they, you know, that's why they continue to fall

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Speaker 1: on these to fall back on these types of issues

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Speaker 1: rather than the material issues, because it's easier to put

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Speaker 1: together a multimedia presentation reminding you how terrible January six

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Speaker 1: was than it is ultimately to sort of challenge corporate

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Speaker 1: power and get inflation under control, deal with gas prices,

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Speaker 1: chart a new future for the country. So I think

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Speaker 1: that's why they continue to fall back on these types

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Speaker 1: of things. Absolutely. Okay, let's go to talk about Uvaldi,

644
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Speaker 1: so we always want to stay on top of what's

645
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Speaker 1: going on with that. Uvaldi CISD Chief of Police Pete Radondo,

646
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Speaker 1: the person who made the call to make sure that

647
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: police officers and law enforcement who were gathered in the

648
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: hallway did not even go into the classroom. So let's

649
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: go ahead and put this up there on the screen. Oh,

650
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: very interesting. The school police chief is was a no

651
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: show at the Uvaldi City council meeting. So just again

652
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: to explain this for people who may not remember. Pete R.

653
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: Dondo was also elected recently to the city council in Uvaldi,

654
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: and he was actually sworn in after the shooting while

655
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: he was in disgrace, and they actually stopped that swearing

656
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: in ceremony from being public. Since then, he has been

657
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: in complete hiding. He by accounts and early leaks from

658
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: the investigation, was not being cooperative with the FBI and

659
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: with the Texas Department of Public Safety whenever they're asking

660
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: him for information. He has been confronted by CNN he says,

661
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say anything. He continues to try

662
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: and live life in the shadows. He's closing off the

663
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: city council. Imagine that a government building, a people's building

664
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Speaker 1: that they're like, no, no public allowed. He's actively working

665
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: to throw reporters off of the sidewalks. People. He's hoping

666
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: that all of us just lose interest in this case.

667
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: But we need to hold this man accountable. And now

668
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: he's in no show at the city council meeting that

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Speaker 1: he was just selected to do. So it seems that

670
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: he's very bad at doing two of his jobs they

671
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: shouldn't even have. Yeah, I mean, it's not only that,

672
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: it seems like that all the sort of officials around

673
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: him are protecting him. Yeah they are. I mean, we

674
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: know they're literally protecting him in terms of they brought

675
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: in law enforcement to protect law enforcement, you know, the

676
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: sort of protection that those kids could have used very

677
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: much while they were being massacred by a madman. They also,

678
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, they lied to reporters about a board meeting

679
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: being closed the public, when in reality it wasn't to

680
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: try to keep reporters from showing up. They actually closed

681
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: the doors to city Hall and lock them so that

682
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: you couldn't have any media access. You know, they seem

683
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: to have been there seems to have been a lot

684
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: of complicity in this guy's vanishing act. So that is

685
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: a very important part of what is going on here ultimately.

686
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: And the school board had a chance at their meeting

687
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: to actually remove him from yes, and they didn't do it.

688
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: They declined to do it. So you know, at the

689
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: same time, certainly the anger and emotion on the ground

690
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 1: in Uvalde is not going away any time soon. When

691
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: lives have been taken, lives have been ruined, families have

692
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: been destroyed. And the very latest, incredibly hard to watch

693
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: emotional testimony came from a teacher who was wounded in

694
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Speaker 1: this attack. He was in a fourth grade teacheries in

695
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Speaker 1: room one to eleven. His name is Arnolfo Reyes and

696
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 1: he's he had eleven kids in his classroom. Every one

697
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: of those eleven kids shot and killed. Arnoulfel himself was

698
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: gravely wounded and is continuing to go through you know,

699
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: he's alive, thank God for that, but it's continuing to

700
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: go through surgeries. It's going to be a long physical

701
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: recovery process for him. And I don't know the emotional

702
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: mental recovery process. I don't know if it's even possible

703
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: to overcome what he's experienced. Here's a little bit of

704
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: what he had to say about the response on that day.

705
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: Did you feel abandoned in that moment by police, by

706
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Speaker 1: the people who are supposed to protect you. Absolutely? After everything,

707
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: I get more angry because you have a bulletproof best

708
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: I had nothing. I had nothing. You're supposed to protect answer.

709
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: There is no excuse for their actions, and I will

710
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: never forget them. I would never forgive them. I know

711
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: that I will not let these children and my coworkers

712
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: die in Bay. Absolutely I will not. I will go

713
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: in Queer to the end of the world to not

714
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: let my students die in Vay. David deserve this. Nobody

715
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: in this world deserves this kind of pain. And what

716
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: he wants specifically is to raise the age of assault

717
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: the ability to purchase assault weapons, something that actually was

718
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: passing the House but has no chance at this point

719
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: in the Senate. But his experience on that day. He

720
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: talks about how he could hear law enforcement in the

721
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: hallway and then he could hear them saying please, you know,

722
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: please come out and talk to us. We promised there

723
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: won't be any harm done to you, and then they

724
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: go away and nothing for you know, something like an

725
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: hour and twenty minutes. And it's heartbreaking because he says,

726
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, I did everything I could do. I told

727
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: the kids to He told the kids to go under

728
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: a table and to pretend that they were asleep, because

729
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: that's they had gone through training for active shooters. I mean,

730
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: this wasn't a school district that was unprepared. Of course

731
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: that it ends up that they were completely unprepared, but

732
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: he did what the training had told him to do,

733
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Speaker 1: to have these kids hidener inn a table and pretend

734
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Speaker 1: like they were asleep. And he said, you know, in

735
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: the end, they were just like sitting ducks, and every

736
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: single one of them killed. He also wanted to make

737
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: sure to tell the parents that the other teachers who

738
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: were in the joining classroom, who were both murdered, that

739
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: they also bravely did everything they could for those kids.

740
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Speaker 1: But you know, they're completely defenseless, and the people were

741
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: supposed to be there to help them did nothing. Yeah,

742
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: and you know, props to him for speaking out that way,

743
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: and you know, whatever he wants to say politically, I

744
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: think that's completely fine. And that's something I get annoyed

745
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: by is people who attack you know, victims in this

746
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: case for pushing policy. Look, am I annoyed by David

747
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: Hogg and all those people. Yeah, but don't attack kids

748
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: who went through a traumatic experience. It's a free country.

749
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: People can say what they want. Matthew McConaughey, he's a

750
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: native of Uvalde, Texas, actually visited the White House, gave

751
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: a very emotional speech, went quite viral actually, in which

752
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, he had an interesting, nuanced take. I'm not

753
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: I don't agree with many of the policy positions that

754
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: he put forward, but I don't think that you can

755
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: not help but listen to the man. And he framed

756
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: it in a way. This is what I appreciated the most,

757
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: Chris As I grew up in Uvaldi. It's where I

758
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: learned how to use a gun. I believe in responsible

759
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: gun ownership. He made it clear he's like, I don't

760
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: believe in taking people's guns away. I want to try

761
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: and find some sort of middle ground solution. And he

762
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: also talked about family values. He talked about strengthening you know,

763
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: mental health resources and more. There really was something for

764
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: everybody why don't we go ahead and take a listen

765
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: to a little bit of that that we have here.

766
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: We need save for schools. We need to restrain sensationalized

767
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: media coverage. We need to restore our family values. We

768
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: need to restore our American values. And we need responsible

769
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: gun ownership. Responsible gun ownership. We need background checks. We

770
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: need to raise the minimum age to purchase an AR

771
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: fifteen rifle two twenty one. We need a waiting period

772
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: for those rifles. We need red flag laws and consequences

773
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: for those who abuse them. These are reasonable, practical, tactical

774
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: regulations to our nation, states, community schools, and homes. Responsible

775
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: gun owners are fed up with the Second Amendment being

776
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: abused and hijacked by some deranged individuals. I think he

777
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: frames that better than any Democrat. I haven't seen any

778
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: President Biden's out there talking about an AR fifteen and

779
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: panning nine millimeter ammunition high caliber, yeah, high caliber, not yet,

780
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: which ultimately knows nothing about guns. And I think that

781
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: he is McConaughey here from my experience growing up in

782
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,479
Speaker 1: a family where Second Amendment was very important to my father,

783
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: and growing up in a community that is rural and

784
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: has high rates of gun ownership. I think he channels

785
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: what a lot of responsible gun owners feel because you know,

786
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: if you are someone who this is part of your culture,

787
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: and this is what you have grown up with, and

788
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: you have been schooled since day one of the uper

789
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: way to handle a gun and to store a gun

790
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: and to keep people safe. And then you see some

791
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: kid being able on their eighteenth birthday. I don't want

792
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: to call him a kid, he was a man, but

793
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: on his eighteenth birthday being able to go and buy

794
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: two ar fifteens, having no training, having no idea what

795
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: he's doing. Yeah, you look at that and you're like,

796
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: this is a disgrace, Like it shouldn't be that anyone

797
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: can just casually acquire these guns with no limits, no checks,

798
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: no responsible training whatsoever. And so he framed this as

799
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 1: this is not a setback for a step the Second Amendment.

800
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: This is a step forward for the Second Amendment and

801
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: to make sure that we don't have just, you know,

802
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: a culture of sort of abusing the Second Amendment but

803
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: actually respecting these powerful weapons. So the other part of

804
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: the speech, it's very emotional to listen to, because you

805
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: should watch the whole thing. It's worth it because He

806
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: spends a lot of time talking about the families that

807
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: he and his wife met when they went to Uvalde.

808
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: You know, who their kids, their dreams for the future

809
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: that have been cut short. The you know, one of

810
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: the teachers. I don't know if you guys follow this.

811
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: I don't think we talked about it on the show.

812
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: One of the teachers who was shot and killed. Her

813
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: husband died of a heart attack the next day. They

814
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: leave behind four kids. You know, they had been working

815
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: hard to get their house painted. They want a food truck.

816
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: When they were tired. They were planning all these things

817
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: for the future, and all of that, all of that

818
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: is gone. So listening to the humanity of these children

819
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: and these lives that have been lost is not easy

820
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: to do. But I really do recommend that you listen

821
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: to the entirety of his speech. And I said this before, Sager.

822
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: You know, I have specific position and ideas about what

823
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: I think would be beneficial in terms of gun control.

824
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: I do think lifting age to twenty one makes sense.

825
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: I think red flag laws make sense. Thinks safe, you know,

826
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: gun storage makes sense. And you know there's some other

827
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: that I would I don't have any problem with, like

828
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: banning high capacity magazines and things like that. But at

829
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: this point, I think it's so important for the country

830
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: that we could just do something so that there's a

831
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: sense that we can act. I mean, tragedy after tragedy

832
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: after tragedy, and we have these spikes and attention that

833
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: emotions are really raw, and then it sort of dissipates

834
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: and goes away and literally nothing happens. I mean, it

835
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: just really reinforces this sense that you are in a failed,

836
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: declining state where even things that have eighty percent ninety

837
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: percent bipartisan support, there's just no chance, there is no

838
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: responsiveness to the public will, and it's it's extraordinarily depressing

839
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: from that perspective as well. Yeah, I get where you're

840
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: coming from, but I mean, I think my issue is

841
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: that people were like Matthew McConaughey and seemed legitimate and

842
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: didn't seem like they were going to encroach, you know,

843
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: much much further. I think a lot of people like

844
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: me would be like, Okay, you know, maybe we can talk.

845
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: But I mean, you have the President talking about banning

846
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: nine million ammunition in NAR fifteens, and then the vice

847
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: president and a lot of you know, Beto's like, I'm

848
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: gonna come and see your ar fifteens, What did you

849
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: think of what passed in the House last night? I mean, look,

850
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty one. I think it's maybe fine. I

851
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: just am extraordinarily, especially on red flags. I mean, I

852
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: just do not trust the capacity of the Justice Department

853
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: and of these states in order to administer this fairly.

854
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, responding in a mass

855
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Speaker 1: tragedy event like we did Post nine to eleven to

856
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: give up an immense amount of civil liberties was a

857
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: traumatic and and terrible mistake that had long term ramifications

858
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: and my fears that we're looking exactly in that if

859
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: it was just eighteen to twenty one. And again, you know,

860
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: I haven't heard I talked to a lot of people

861
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: in the gun community. I haven't heard a great argument

862
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: against it. That being said, it does open a slippery slope.

863
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: So on that one thing alone, on the merits, I think, okay,

864
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: maybe I'd be willing to talk, But red flag is

865
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: the one I'm just about. I just well, and I

866
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: don't think the red flag is what was included is

867
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the detail alse of what was passed

868
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: last night in the House, which again I think has

869
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: no chance at the Senate at this point. But it

870
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: doesn't actually include the red flag laws. The big piece

871
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: of it was lifting the age eighteen to twenty one

872
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: for assault weapons. And I just don't buy the slippery

873
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: slope argument here because it's so hard. I mean, not

874
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: even these things, which are incredibly modern and supported by

875
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: like a majority of Republicans eighty seventy to eighty percent

876
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: of Americans, are probably not going to get through. So

877
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: I just I don't conceive of a world in which okay, well,

878
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: and then that leads to They're going to take all

879
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: your guns. That's totally counter to what we've actually experienced

880
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: over the last several decades, which is a slippery slope

881
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: in the other direction of you know, states increasingly loosening

882
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: any sort of gun regulations, including that's the direction Texas

883
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: certainly has been headed in many other states. Besides, like

884
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: that seems to be the direction of the slippery slope

885
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: versus any kind of increasing sort of licensing or age

886
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: restrictions or limits whatsoever. Yeah, I hear you saying, but again,

887
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, the caution is always yeah, not today, but

888
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: it could come sometime in the future. So I mean,

889
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: I see you have in front of you. Let me

890
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: you just have the details of the bill. Do you

891
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: just have to judge the legislation on its merits today?

892
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: What's on the table? Firearm storage is a good example.

893
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, great, I completely agree everybody should have

894
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: firearm storage. But when how are you going to enforce that?

895
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: Does me a police officer is going to come to

896
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: my house and find me for not having a gun

897
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: in the right place. It's like, well, now we have

898
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: Fourth Amendment problems. I mean, is the ATF when we

899
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: have a for example, private sales really oppose safe firearm storage?

900
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: I think, I think face farm service courage, but don't

901
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: nine sure. But what about enforcement? I mean, do you

902
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: want a cop toople to come in your house and

903
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: check how your gun is stored? I know I absolutely

904
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: don't want that. What I want is that if there

905
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: is a child who gets a hold of a weapon

906
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: which was improperly stored in a home and ultimately kills

907
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: themselves or someone else, that there's some legal ability to

908
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: hold someone responsible for their total negligence and allowing that

909
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: situation to unfold. I actually do believe there is a

910
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: negligence standard whenever somebody uses a child doesn't or whene

911
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: of you improperly stored your weapon. I've seen cases where

912
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 1: those It depends on the state, state by state, because

913
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: not all states have these rules, right. But I'll give

914
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: you another one, private gun sales being passed tours. Another

915
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: that actually requires a universal registry of firearms. And so

916
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: we have a universal registry that actually was the precursor

917
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: in Australia for going and making sure that you could

918
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: buy back everybody's guns. Three D printing is another one. Look,

919
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I might sound radical here, but

920
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: part of the problem with all of these things is

921
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: that when you put heavy amounts of enforcement, you give

922
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: the ATF and other people more knowledge, you have more data.

923
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: So it would you take you anything, well, I mean

924
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: on the current one, I honestly just don't think that

925
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: there is anything. So you think we just have to

926
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: accept this is how it is. There's going to be

927
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: school shootings, We're going to have mass violence. There's you know,

928
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: the suicide rate. I mean, honestly, the mass shooter events

929
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: are the hardest ones to disrupt. What I think you

930
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: could have more of an impact on is domestic violence

931
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: and suicide, where just having easy immediate access to a firearm,

932
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: no waiting period, you know, no safe storage, the sort

933
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: of accidents that all too often kill our children. Those

934
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: are the sorts of things that I think you could

935
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: more easily have somewhat of an impact on, but you

936
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: just don't think it's worth it. Uh. When it's not

937
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 1: about worth it, it's about what's the cost. I mean, Look,

938
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: like I said, I keep going back to nine to eleven.

939
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, nine to eleven was a horrific tragedy, tre

940
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: terrible event, three thousand people were killed. Was it worth

941
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: twenty years later giving up an immense amount of civil liberties?

942
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: I have no idea what this country's gonna look like

943
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: in twenty years. I'm honestly not optimistic about the Patriot Act,

944
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: and safe gun storage and universal background checks are not

945
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: remotely lived in Washington, d C. Over the last couple

946
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: of years, and seeing the literal breakdown of society and

947
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: then also seeing that a lot of people are okay

948
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: with it has made me so pessimistic and frankly more

949
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: of a gun radical than I've ever been in my

950
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: entire I literally do not trust the state to save

951
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: me in any unsafe situation. That's literally where I'm at.

952
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: So you are now a full on libertarian. I'm not

953
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: a libertarian, I mean, but that's what it sounds like

954
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: because there's the problem on like individual safety. I want

955
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: people to be able to empower themselves because if you

956
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: look around, if you live where we live, like, I

957
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: don't see how you can trust these people. So what

958
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: would you so you would you would respond to this

959
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: with nothing? I mean, in the current situation, I would

960
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: say we have a terrible situation where it comes to

961
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: both mental health and lack of trust, and that would

962
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: be my number one focus. But like, I don't think

963
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: there is a one shot. Look, I wish it was

964
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: a legislative issue, but I just don't see it. Like

965
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 1: I've said it before, obviously, Look, there are a lot

966
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: of deeper issues here. Mental health, Medicare for all. Everyone

967
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: should have access to mental health troops, no doubt about it. Okay,

968
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: by the way, the Republicans who are like, let's talk

969
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: about mental health, they're very opposed to that. I deny always,

970
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 1: and that's ridiculous in taxis, but just on the numbers,

971
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: you cannot deny that when you look at it. We

972
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: are massive outliers in terms of the number of guns,

973
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 1: and we are massive outliers in terms of the amount

974
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: of gun violence. I mean the two things are linked.

975
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: Like there's just you know, the idea, Oh, we just

976
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: need more guns. Were good guys with guns. That's silly,

977
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: that's a fantasy. I think the case that you can

978
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: make is the one that you're trying to make here,

979
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: which is like, I would rather accept the violence and

980
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,959
Speaker 1: have the freedom than to try to do anything, even

981
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: on the margins, to curb the amount of violence. Yeah,

982
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: is that your position? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. What

983
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that when you live in an extraordinarily

984
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: free society, that it has an extraordinary amount of costs.

985
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: And that also living in Europe or anywhere else we

986
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: don't actually have a lot of rights. Sounds far more

987
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: terrible to me than yes, accepting that we live in

988
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: a country with four hundred million already guns that exist,

989
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 1: and that will mean probably a higher amount of violence

990
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: and of crazy events. Look, Europe is quite safe. This

991
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: is what I would call a safetiest mindset. It's the

992
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: same thing that led to lockdowns COVID. It's like safetyism

993
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: is a commense amount of cost personal contemplated here isn't

994
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: taking away every gun. It's Hey, maybe you shouldn't, as

995
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: a stupid eighteen year old with no trading be able

996
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: to go out on your birthday and buy an AAR fifteen.

997
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: Maybe we should wait until twenty one, because we know

998
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: a disproportionate number of the murders that happen with these

999
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: weapons happened between eighteen and twenty one. Hey, maybe we

1000
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: should have some regulations in place to make sure people

1001
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: store guns properly in the home so we don't have

1002
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: these horrific accidents. I mean, maybe we should make it

1003
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: so that, you know, if you have like this dude

1004
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: who's carrying around bags of dead cats and telling everybody

1005
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: who's going to rape and kill them online, that maybe

1006
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: there's some process in place where you say, hey, you know,

1007
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: a weapon for you. Doesn't sound like a great idea.

1008
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: This is not like, this is not some overreaching, insane

1009
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: like we're gonna ground up all your guns. You can't

1010
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: do anything, and it's an infringement on your way of life.

1011
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: In fact, I think, as Matthew McConaughey put it very well,

1012
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: like a majority a vast majority of responsible gun owners

1013
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: who take these weapons seriously support making responsible ownership part

1014
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: of the culture and part of the regulatory culture. Now

1015
00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, but I mean, look, Richard Reach,

1016
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: I had to blow up a plane in two thousand

1017
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: and two with a bomb on his foot, and now

1018
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: all of us have to take our shoes off unless

1019
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: you literally pay the game. But this is not that

1020
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: this is gun I don't know every single day everybody

1021
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: know since versus like we know, we have a violent society.

1022
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: So it's not like a right. It's like this is

1023
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: just theater. This is all being framed in terms of

1024
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: mass shootings like and look, I appreciate it, Lisa, you're

1025
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: talking about suicide because that's what it is. But listen,

1026
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: I mean, are we really supposed to even the eighteen

1027
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: to twenty one thing? As I understand it, that might

1028
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: be the case in terms of the mass shootings and

1029
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: the school shootings, but that is not necessarily the case

1030
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to sueride. It is I don't know

1031
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: about suicide, but in terms of homicide, homicide disproportionately eighteen

1032
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: to twenty one year olds. So okay, you know, waiting,

1033
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: and we're not even talking about all weapons. We're talking

1034
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: about assault weapons. Wait until you're twenty one years old.

1035
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: But how do we know that in the eighteen to

1036
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: twenty one case, even in homicide, that this is something

1037
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: that these aren't being illegally procured guns? I mean, isn't

1038
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: that the case? And especially within gang violence and in

1039
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: urban I mean, look, su back down on straw purchases.

1040
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 1: None of this is going to be a magic fix.

1041
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: But I do I don't believe that that means you

1042
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: should just say we can't do anything, because I do

1043
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: think it's instructive. This dude wait until his eighteenth birthday

1044
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: till he could buy illegally. Yeah, sure, I mean, but

1045
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, Colmbine happened when the assault weapons ban happened

1046
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: through straw purchase because they got some weird friend of

1047
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: theirs in order to go and to buy the gun.

1048
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: You know, Hope, I forget what his name was. If not,

1049
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: of course, that's not going to solve every single instance,

1050
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: There's no question about it. We're talking about can we

1051
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: reduce the numbers on the margins, not just of mass shootings,

1052
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: but of all gun violence. And I think there are

1053
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: some steps we could take, and you know, the American

1054
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: people overwhelmingly agrees, and I find it very depressing that

1055
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: Congress is completely unresponsive to what the overwhelming public will

1056
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: on this is. I mean, I don't even disagree necessarily

1057
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: with the statement. I just I'm trying to present to you. Listen,

1058
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: last couple of years have changed a lot of things

1059
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: for me. I didn't think that we would ever live

1060
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: in this country that we are, and it has made

1061
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: it so that I'm extraordinarily skeptical, especially whenever it's DC,

1062
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: Virginia or these types of extraordinarily blue states, where if

1063
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: I were to live in them, I would want to

1064
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: give people as much power as possible in order to

1065
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: try and protect themselves. So the should the time ever

1066
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: come as depressing as I sound as it sounds, Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, we'll leave it there because we've had this

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00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: debate a lot. But I talk about Cavin. I just

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00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: fundamentally disagree that the answer is just to give up

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00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: on government being able to do anything good. I don't

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00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: put it that way. I would say, okay, let's try,

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00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's a meme, but let's talk

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00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: about root causes. Let's restore trust in society. There's a

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00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: lot of different things. Yeah, but there's also harm in

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00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: the meantime, but harm prevention, think again, harm reduction. These

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00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: are all great intentions, awesome intentions, but we know, as

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00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: we saw on the COVID regime, that whenever you give

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00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of power, that it can encroach tremendously

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00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: on your day to day life, and that the safetiest mindset.

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00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: There are little kids in New York I just saw

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00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: two days ago walking down the street. Here little preschoolers

1082
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: with mass strapped to their face because of school policy

1083
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: New York City. Eric Adams is still for My point

1084
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: is is that as you saw in those cases, the

1085
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: safetiest mindset exactly which led to mass universal mass man

1086
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: is honestly I even have supported at the time two

1087
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: years ago, I was like, oh, this stuff gets pretty

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00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: out of control quickly. Washington, d c. Was one of

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00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: the last places in the country to lift an outdoor

1090
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: mass mandate. I mean, look, these things have real costs

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00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: and when you give people that power, especially in the

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00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: current but even environment, the fear mongering around that was

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00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: this is never going away. Well it has, I mean,

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00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: oh it hasn't gone away. It's more than we kind

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00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: of accepted, it probably should have accepted. Almost everywhere in

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00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: the country there are no mass mandate. Schools were open

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00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: until you know, summer vacation and all of that. So

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00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: I also thought that there was a lot of overreach there.

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00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: But the Maximus argument that like now that they have

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00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: the powers, never going to go wed, we're gonna stuck

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00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: wearing masks forever and every all places, et cetera, et cetera,

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00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,479
Speaker 1: that didn't come true. We'll say there were everybody saying

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00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: monkey pops an new lockdowns around every corner. Are we

1104
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: in lockdown? No, we're not. So listen again, I think

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00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: there are big problems with the government overreach, especially in

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00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: terms of FBI law enforcement overreach, especially in terms of surveillance,

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00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: patriot All of that is certainly true. But I don't

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00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: think the answer to that is to say government can't

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00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: do anything to make our lives better in our community safer,

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00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: because then you just like, that's just giving up. I mean,

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00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: it's just a very nihilistic view to say, like, everybody's

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00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: on their own and you can't. The problem isn't let's

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00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: make a more accountable government that's more responsive as in

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00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: this case responsive to the public. Will It's like, let's

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00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: just not have a government at all. I'm just not

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00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: sure how possible that is in the current environment. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and move on and talk about Kavanaugh here.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. So, an

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00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: armed man was arrested yesterday near Justice Breck Kavanaugh's home

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00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: and was actually charged with attempted murder. The details of

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00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: this are really cheerlling. So this man, he's twenty six

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Speaker 1: years old, He's from California. He was carrying a gun,

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Speaker 1: a glock seventeen knife, pepper spray. He was upset about

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00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: the leak draft opinion on Roe versus Way. This is

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Speaker 1: according to an FBI filing prosecutors who were against him.

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Speaker 1: So man's name is Nicholas John Rosky. He was from

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00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: Seami Valley, California. And the details of this crystal are

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00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: a little bit weird. So federal agents apparently spotted mister

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00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: Rosky at one oh five am, dressed in black clothing

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00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: and carrying a backpack and a suitcase as he got

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00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: out of a taxi in front of Justice Kavanaugh's house.

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00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: After seeing agents in front of the house, Rosky walked away,

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00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: and then, and this is what is especially strange, he

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00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: called Montgomery County Emergency Communications to say, I have suicidal thoughts.

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00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: I have a gun in my suitcase and I want

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00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: to kill Justice Kavanaugh. So it's not like he was

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00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: walking down the street and they stopped this guy and

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00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: they were like, hey, what do you have in that suitcase?

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00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: He actually called I mean, look, this sounds like a

1140
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: grade A loser, slash freak, Yeah, lunatic. And there's also

1141
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: a question here about these guns, because you know, Maryland,

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00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: where he was apprehended, actually has different gun laws and

1143
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: the rest of the gun, they have capacity magazine restricts.

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00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: He had actually had at glock seventeen, which was on

1145
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: him as long as two mags. So then here's the question.

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Speaker 1: Did he fly with the glove? I mean, it's legal

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00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: to fly with the gun in this country, but did

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00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: he fly into Dulles or into one of the areas

1149
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: around here with the gun on him? And also did

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00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: he stop at a gun store in order to procure ammunition?

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00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: He also had pepper spray, which I know that you

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00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: can't fly with, as well as a knife. I'm not

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00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: sure exactly what the laws are around that. Anyway, the

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00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: preparation as to exactly what was going on here sounds strange,

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00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: and the FBI isn't giving us much of a timeline.

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00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: They basically say that he got out of the plane

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00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: and then came to Justice Kavanaugh's house. So I also

1158
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: have a question of did he fly with the pepper

1159
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: spray and the knife? Ask what we were just talking

1160
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: about with TSA. By the way, TSA fails almost every

1161
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: other safety exam that they're ever qut in front of.

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Speaker 1: Most people don't know that anyway. It does show you,

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00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: though that there is obviously feelings are hot. There's sparked

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01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: a lot of debate around being able to protest outside

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01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: justicees homes, but I mean that's not connected to this.

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Speaker 1: I will say there was a group I think it's

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01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: called like Ruth sent Us, which is especially ironic considering

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01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: that Ginsburg is the reason that any of this is happening.

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01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: But Ruth sent Us apparently published the homes with the

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01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: map of all the conservative justices where there have been protests.

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Speaker 1: That's how this gentleman found out the address of Justice Kavanaugh.

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01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: So that's obviously going to be part of the discourse.

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01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: But I personally found the media angle on this just mystifying,

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01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: because there's what do we talk our entire a block about.

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01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: They're trying to connect January sixth brought our seditious thing

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Speaker 1: to the actions of a bunch of you know, a

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Speaker 1: thousand or so whatever absolute lunatics on the day of

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01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: January sixth. They've made it clear it's like, oh, if

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Speaker 1: you were supporting this, even rhetorically, then then you are

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01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: directly responsible tied to the violence. But look at how

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01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: this CNN reporter reacts the moment that the facts start

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01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: to become clear. She actually even tries to blame the GOP.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen, little detail at this point, Kate,

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01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: other than to say it's this man is he's an

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01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: adult man from California. We don't yet know what the

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01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: nature of the threat was. We don't know what language

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Speaker 1: the threat was, or what kind of weapon this man

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01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 1: might have had, if he had one at all, because

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Speaker 1: the information at this point is just so thin. But Kate,

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Speaker 1: this certainly contributes to this overall threat landscape. We've been

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01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: talking a lot about the major concern here with this

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01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: abortion ruling from federal officials, and they've been sounding The

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Speaker 1: alarm on this for about a month is that Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court justices will certainly be you know, potentially targeted by

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01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: violent extremists who are angered over this pending ruling that

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Speaker 1: is poised to strike down Roe v. Wade. This is

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01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: an extremely passionate issue. There are emotions on both sides.

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Speaker 1: Federal officials have made clear over and over they believe

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Speaker 1: the risk truly comes from both sides of this abortion debate.

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Speaker 1: So here's what's weird, which is and by the way,

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01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: it's not untrue actually that they're obviously I mean, abortion

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Speaker 1: claims have been bombed before or like people have been killed,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not even saying that that isn't a real point.

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Speaker 1: She said, it's not even clear if the man had

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01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: a weapon on him at all, even though that was

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01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: immediately clear. So what on CNN literally said sound with

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Speaker 1: a weapon? It's not clear. It's like, well, where are

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01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: you getting your info before you go on live television?

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01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: She seems very uncomfortable. Yeah, and just say the facts.

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Speaker 1: Why is it difficult, Crystal? You even you guy in

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01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: Seroda did a whole segment about not being able to

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Speaker 1: protest outside of people's homes. Whatever, you know, I honestly

1213
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: don't even particularly care. But my point is that you

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01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: can hold that position say, yeah, some lunatic tried or

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01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: wanted to kill Justice Kavanaugh, and you know, the circumstances

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01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: of it showed this is a great a freak who's

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01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: like I'm having you know, who buys a gun and

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01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: goes outside a house and then calls nine on one.

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01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah to say it, so like, look, you know, even people,

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Speaker 1: this is a bonified assassination attempt. Yeah, in spirit, he's

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Speaker 1: also you know, he called nine one because he himself,

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01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: he's just freaking out and chickened out. Apparently, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's a good an outcome, great outcome, right that it

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01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: didn't get violent. So anyway, I think that the media

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01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: coverage on this, I was telling you before, front page

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Speaker 1: of the New York Times didn't even have this story

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Speaker 1: on there in the immediate after all, you all, everybody

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Speaker 1: knows if so to my or someone even sneezed justice

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01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: so to myor, it would be, oh my god, it

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01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: would be political assassination. Come on, I have to deal

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01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: with the facts as they actually exist, exactly. You know

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01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: what this made me think about was it did remind

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01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: me that there was that judge in Wisconsin, retired Wisconsin

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01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: judge that was just murdered by a gunman who then

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01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: killed himself, who had a list of names the government

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Speaker 1: and officials included, you know, the governor of Wisconsin, the

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01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: governor of Michigan, and other people within the judiciary. The

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Speaker 1: reason I bring it up is, you know, it's a

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01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: really bad sign in a society when you have judges

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01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: being threatened or judges being murdered, when you have of

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01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, increasing political violence and instability, and so I

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01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: really just sort of look at these events as part

1243
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: of that sign and trend of complete unraveling of American society.

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01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: And I think there's you know, there's a lot of

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01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: reasons for that. I think it's obviously in part that

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01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's the tiebe thesis, I think is

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01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: incredibly incredibly compelling that after we sort of you know,

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01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: we get out of the Cold War and so we

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01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: don't have this external you know, unifying quote unquote enemy

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01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: of the Soviet Union, then you've got the War on

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01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: Terror and let's get those bad guys. And in order

1252
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: to generate ratings, the idea was after that, okay, well

1253
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: we'll turn people on each other, and you know, so

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Speaker 1: I see this as just another sign of a society

1255
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: that is in decline and in decay, and it's very

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01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: uncertain what the future ultimately is and it's going to

1257
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: take some dramatic changes to get us back on track,

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01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: which is I think something that a lot of people

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01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: really sense out there in the public. I mean, I

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01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: think that a lot of the angst right now is economic,

1261
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: but I think if you look at that seventy percent

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01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: plus who say America is on the wrong track, I

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01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: think that's an all encompassing feeling of like this is

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01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: not going well. This whole project we're engaged in right

1265
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: now is really not going well. And ultimately, you know,

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01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: we're dependent on the whims of like our most fringe

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Speaker 1: and most deranged extremists among us for our sort of

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Speaker 1: safety and future of society. Yeah. No, absolutely, I mean

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Speaker 1: you look at this too. I look at it as

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Speaker 1: a total breakdown. You know, you have judges being killed.

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Speaker 1: It's not the first time, unfortunately, in the last couple

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Speaker 1: of months that you've seen that there's been a spike reported.

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Speaker 1: I do actually think there's some bill on the floor,

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Speaker 1: which again it's being partisan for I think it shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be to increase security for the Supreme Court. I actually

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Speaker 1: think we should obviously do that, you know, especially they're

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Speaker 1: going to be dealing with more controversial cases. Look, I

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Speaker 1: just think that you look at this in the context.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why the media can't just cover it fairly.

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Speaker 1: We all know if this was on the other side

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Speaker 1: and that guy ever watched a single second of Tucker,

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Speaker 1: it would be like Ducker Carlson LinkedIn. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: not up here being like, what was this media diet?

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Speaker 1: You know who did he like? I'm sure this person

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Speaker 1: who was clearly deranged, you know, enjoyed and imbibed a

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Speaker 1: lot of liberal media. Okay, fine, are we gonna say

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Speaker 1: the liberal media is responsible for attacks assassinations on? No,

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Speaker 1: because people have individual autonomy, and clearly this guy's in lunatic,

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Speaker 1: and lunatics exist in our society. It's a good thing

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Speaker 1: that he called nine to one one. I find the

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Speaker 1: treatment of the story almost as important as a story itself.

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Speaker 1: Although I think there has been violent attempts or like

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Speaker 1: threats before just escalete anyway. I know that there's been

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Speaker 1: attacks or threats against justices, but look, if they're going

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Speaker 1: to be deciding cases on. You know, Row was not

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Speaker 1: the only case. There's a gun case actually up before,

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Speaker 1: and this is something we'll be covering in the coming days.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of significant issues that they're going to

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Speaker 1: be weighing in on. I mean coming anytime now, basically

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Speaker 1: during the month of June. Right, Okay, let's go and

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Speaker 1: move on. But you're not going down. Okay, this story

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Speaker 1: very important for what it reveals about the swamp and

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Speaker 1: how all of this works. Go ahead and put this

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01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: first piece up on the screen. So the FBI has

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Speaker 1: seized the electronic data of a retired four star general

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01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: who authorities say made false statements and withheld incriminating documents,

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01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: so he was lying and covering up about his role

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Speaker 1: in an a legal foreign lobbying campaign on behalf of

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Speaker 1: the wealthy Persian Gulf nation Qatar. New federal court filings

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Speaker 1: obtained Tuesday, they were sort of I think accidentally released,

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Speaker 1: actually outlined a potential criminal case against former Marine General

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Speaker 1: John Allen, who led US and NATO forces in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: Did a bang up job there, great job before being

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Speaker 1: tapped in twenty seventeen to lead the influential Brookings Institution

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Speaker 1: think tank. Side note, one of Brooking's longtime top donors,

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Speaker 1: the nation of katar okay I, did go deep on this.

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Speaker 1: I will spare you all of the ins and outs,

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Speaker 1: but let me just give you a brief sketch of

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Speaker 1: what the government is saying went down here. There are

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Speaker 1: three individuals who are really involved. One of them is

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Speaker 1: General John Allen, the other is former ambassador to the

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Speaker 1: UAE and Pakistan named Richard Olsen. And the third is

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Speaker 1: someone they describe as a quote prolific political donor who's

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Speaker 1: now serving a twelve year prison sentence on corruption charges

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Speaker 1: related to those donations, some of which were fraudulent. He

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Speaker 1: would donate that it was really on behalf of some

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Speaker 1: foreign individual who wasn't supposed to be donating in our

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Speaker 1: political elections, or sometimes he would invent names to funnel

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Speaker 1: donations through. There was all kinds of shady dealings going

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Speaker 1: on here at the highest level. This man's name is

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Speaker 1: Ahmad Zuberry. And if you look into the details of

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Speaker 1: what happened with Zuberi and Old and John Allen here,

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Speaker 1: basically they were all colluding again allegedly. I'm sure their

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Speaker 1: lawyers say this didn't happen, et cetera, etce. They were

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Speaker 1: all colluding to come up with a way that they

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Speaker 1: could represent Katari's interests within the Trump administration. I want

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Speaker 1: to say that this though story, is completely bipartisan. This

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Speaker 1: shady Zuberi character who's now serving twelve year prison sentence,

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Speaker 1: He's got pictures with Hillary Clinton, he got meetings with

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. You know, this is a complete political mercenary

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Speaker 1: who is a hired gun for the shadiest characters around

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Speaker 1: the world to try to peddle influence here in Washington

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Speaker 1: and also by the time, by the way, sometimes with success.

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Speaker 1: There's a quote here, gun put this next piece up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. This is about This is about the

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Speaker 1: US ambassador Olson part of what happened here. This is

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Speaker 1: the guy who was ambassador to UA in Pakistan. He

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Speaker 1: was in trouble with the FBI, and he was basically like,

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Speaker 1: how you're focused on me, and what about John Allen,

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01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: who I had like I was in cahoots with this

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01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: guy and you're not looking at him at all. So

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Speaker 1: that's part of how the FBI ends up at General

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01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: John Allen's doorstep. Olsen was being paid twenty k a

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Speaker 1: month by this sketchy political donor dude serving the twelve

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Speaker 1: year prison sentences, and he also the sketchy donor dude

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Speaker 1: agreed to pay Allen an undisclosed fee for his efforts,

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Speaker 1: according to prosecutors in Olsen's plea deal, but Alan's booksman

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Speaker 1: says the general was actually never paid. They say in

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Speaker 1: mid June, Allen met with Olsen and Zuberry at a

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Speaker 1: Washington hotel to explain quote how he would conduct the

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Speaker 1: lobbying and pr campaign accordeoning prosecutors. A few days later,

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Speaker 1: they flew to Guitar at Zuberry the sketchy political donor's expense,

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Speaker 1: to meet with Katari's ruling a mirror other government officials,

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Speaker 1: where the pair explained they were not representing the US government,

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Speaker 1: but noted they had connections with US government officials that

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Speaker 1: placed them in a position to help Qatar. Alan advised

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Speaker 1: the Kataris on what steps to take, including signing a

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Speaker 1: pending deal to purchase F fifteen fighter jets and using

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Speaker 1: a major military base in Quitar as leverage to exert

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Speaker 1: influence over US government officials. And what do you know,

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Speaker 1: Just four days later, Qatar signed a deal to purchase

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Speaker 1: those jets. Per Allan's advice, the last piece I want

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Speaker 1: to lay out for you here, and the reporting from

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Speaker 1: the AP has been really strong, did you guys want

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Speaker 1: to Yeah, great job tracking all of this down. Go

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01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: ahead and put this last piece up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So this one, the headline is mercenary donor sold access

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Speaker 1: for millions in foreign money. Prosecutors describe Zuberi as a

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Speaker 1: quote mercenary political donor who gave to anyone, often using

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Speaker 1: illegal straw donor cutouts he thought could help him pay

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Speaker 1: to play. He explained to clients, was just how America works.

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Speaker 1: He also said, we get requests for meetings from all

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Speaker 1: scumbag of the world, war lords, kings, queen's presidence for life,

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Speaker 1: military dictator's clan, chiefs, try chiefs, and etc. And he

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Speaker 1: says everyone wants to come to Washington to meet people.

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01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 1: So again, shady character did not do a good job

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Speaker 1: even hiding his illegal criminal behavior, no problem gaining access

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Speaker 1: to the highest level officials on both parties. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: go and put this next one up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Ken Vogel makes a great point. DC think tanks always

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Speaker 1: downplay suggestions that they're part of influence campaigns. But now

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Speaker 1: the FBI says that the literal president of Brookings tried

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Speaker 1: to hide his role in an illegal foreign lobbying campaign

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Speaker 1: for guitar. Look, they've got him dead to rights. He

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Speaker 1: emailed the National Security Advisor of the United States, who

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Speaker 1: he knew and served in the military with while he

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Speaker 1: was I guess maybe getting paid by these people to

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Speaker 1: say you should have more friendly tone to guitar. How

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01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: much more pay to play doesn't get Yeah? People, And

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Speaker 1: then this is even better. They have the three of them,

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Speaker 1: or at least Alan and Olsen conspiring of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: what can we say that we were really doing. Let's

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01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: say Alan was setting up a foreign military advisory panel

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Speaker 1: for Qatar and that's what he was really there for.

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Speaker 1: So and they have them hiding documents and making up

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Speaker 1: these stories that they go ahead and push to the FED.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's damning. And Brookings, by the way, has

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Speaker 1: already suspended the studio at the Weigel Treatment. Yes, set

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Speaker 1: at the Weigel Treatment. They already put him on leave leave,

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Speaker 1: presumably unpaid al though not one hundred parks. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: he's about that. But you know, here's the thing. People

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Speaker 1: know this, I lived in Qatar. I went to h

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Speaker 1: last year's high school, were there. Brookings has had a

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Speaker 1: presence in Qatar for a long time, and there's always

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Speaker 1: been sketchy stuff with like the Brookings Doha Institution. I

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Speaker 1: could see it while I was there. Their basic plan is,

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Speaker 1: we know we're going to run out of oil and

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Speaker 1: we got nothing else going on over here, so let's

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Speaker 1: just pay our natural gas. Also, let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: just pay off all the major institutions in the West.

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Speaker 1: Have them come here and intellectualize our society, which if

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Speaker 1: you know anything about them, that's an interesting Trent thing

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Speaker 1: to do over there. But that's what they've been trying

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Speaker 1: to do with Brookings and others. Now. The problem was

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Speaker 1: is that when they got into all that snaff foo

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Speaker 1: people forget about this. They were like cut off by

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Speaker 1: the UAE and the Saudis. It was like the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Then they used their buyoffs and institutional connections to lobby

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Speaker 1: heavily the Trump administration and others not to just side

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Speaker 1: with the UA and to try and play a broker role.

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01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 1: They called in all their favors with Rex Tillerson. He

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Speaker 1: was a Secretary of State and at the time it's

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Speaker 1: all unfolding exactly. It all happening during that time. This

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Speaker 1: is a big problem for Qatar because remember Qatar, it's

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Speaker 1: a tiny little peninsula. There's nothing going on there. And

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Speaker 1: then connected to the Saudis there one land border they

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01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 1: just got cut off of, so they got to fly

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01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: in all this stuff over here. So there apparently you know,

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01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: my mom had gone over there and she was saying

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01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: the grocery store like everything was from Turkey and Iran

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01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Yeah, because the food, the normal food,

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01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: all this stuff got anyway. It was a huge problem

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01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: for the economy in Qatar. Now what happened then is

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01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: that they started calling in all the favors of all

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01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: these billions that they've been paying off all of these Westerners.

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Speaker 1: And this is exactly the issue with having all of

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Speaker 1: this intertwined connection with these foreign governments. I mean, when

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01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: you have these foreign governments are donating all this money

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01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: and spreading it around town, nobody does it for free.

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01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: There's always a cost, always, and that's something that so

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01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: many people here have tried to deny. I'm not going

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01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: to say it's always pay for play, but it doesn't

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01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: never help, It never hurts right to give fifty thousand

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01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 1: or one hundred thousand or okay, some guy twenty grand

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01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: a month. I'm in something. These stories, a lot of

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01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: them are really are really quite connected because you see

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01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: who actually is able to influence policy and actually get

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01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: what they want oftentimes in Washington, and the sort of

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01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, the games they play to be able to

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01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: do it. And you see issues that have huge public

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01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 1: support and get no movement in Congress whatsoever. And then

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01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 1: you wonder why you have the societal breakdowns, not to

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01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: excuse like the criminals and the lunatics that would you know,

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01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: cause mass violence or political violence, but then you wonder

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01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: why you have the societal breakdown of people who are

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01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: like you know, using these free, bringe and violent means

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01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: to try to make their political It's all a sign

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01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 1: of a society in complete breakdown. When this is the

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01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: real way to get influence and power across both political parties,

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Speaker 1: that is a devastating state of affairs. And you know,

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Speaker 1: these think tanks like they have this very sort of

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Speaker 1: like high and mighty type of image, especially in this town,

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01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: like oh, we're just intellectuals here, like coming up with

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01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: policy ideas and trying to, you know, help, They're incredibly

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01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: enmeshed in the political world and provide the sort of

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01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 1: backbone and thinking behind a lot of legislation that ultimately

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01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: gets done. Congress basically outsources a lot of their work

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01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: to do to these think tanks. And it's I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is again completely bipartisan and non ideological. All of

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Speaker 1: these think tanks are in bed with disgusting people and countries. Yes,

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01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: that's exactly exactly right. So you know, this is the

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Speaker 1: real these this cast of characters is far from the

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Speaker 1: only one that is engaged in this. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it was the Wall Street Journal I think

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01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: it was that wrote this up that said basically, like,

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01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, if this dude, this Zuberi character is now

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01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 1: in prison for twelve years, if he had been a

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01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 1: little bit savvier and just played a little bit more

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01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 1: on the side of like what you can is legally permissible,

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01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: he could have done all that he was doing in

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01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 1: basically a legal way and it would have been perfectly fine.

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01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: And it's totally standard operating procedure here in this down No.

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01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And just so people know, John Allen

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01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 1: was one of those people who lied to the American

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01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 1: people about the progress of Americans under the Obama administration.

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01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: While he was commander of all US forces in Afghanistan,

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01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: he lied to all of our faces. Then he endorsed Hill.

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01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that he endorsed Hillary on the twenty

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01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: sixteen DNC stays like, I'm a general and Hillary's going

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01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 1: to keep us safe. Then he became the Brookings Head.

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01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 1: This is as swamp as it possibly gets. Clearly still

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01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: enmeshed in the military bureaucracy, he was rewarded for his

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01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 1: lives and failures in Afghania. Stand with the Brookings Post.

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01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 1: And now finally, you know, some several odd years later,

1505
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: is actually being held to account or yeah, maybe we'll see.

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01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 1: I'd love to see him go down. He is as

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01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: swampy as it gets. Best for last Washington Post, My god,

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01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: I have not been able to look away and look

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01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: the details of this sound juvenile. And that's the whole

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01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 1: point that the people who work in the most elite

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01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: media institutions here in Washington are legitimately crazy people. So

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01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and put this up there. Now. I'll

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01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 1: remind you all that Felicia Somnez is a reporter over there.

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01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: She screenshot at a tweet that her colleague Dave Weigel

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01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 1: had retweeted, not tweeted, retweeted, which said every girl is

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01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: by You just have to figure out if it's polar

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01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 1: or sexual, Okay whatever. She says, it's fantastic to work

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01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 1: at a news outlet where this is allowed. She publicly

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01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 1: starts flaming him on Twitter and calling for him to

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01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 1: be held accountable. She starts attacking others who say that

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01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: she's acting on professionally. This leads to a letter sent

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01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 1: out by the Washington Post executive editor that we just

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01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: showed you By Sally Busby. She sent a stern memo

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01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: to the staff saying newsroom values are against racist or

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01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: sexist behavior, and we do not tolerate colleagues attacking colleagues,

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01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 1: either face to face or online. Seems like you do, Yeah,

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01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 1: but you do because you suspended one guy who retweeted

1528
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 1: a stupid joke. You didn't suspend the lunatic who's been

1529
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 1: flaming her colleagues and causing the meltdown of her entire

1530
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 1: paper and staff on Twitter. And by the way, after

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01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: the release of that memo, Crystal, she has continued to

1532
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 1: publicly attack her colleagues on staff, and the behavior of

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01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 1: her colleagues who clearly also think that she is a

1534
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 1: lunatic but can't say so, is so cowardly. Let's put

1535
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: this up there. Glenn pointed it out. It's so weird

1536
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: and creepy. All of them. These people who work at

1537
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: the Washington Post started tweeting some version of I know

1538
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 1: the Washington Post is a remarkably collaborative newsroom filled with

1539
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 1: journalists who may stumble at time, myself included, but are

1540
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 1: always working together. I am proud to work here, and

1541
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking about dozens of people I work at the

1542
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 1: Posts started tweeting this, and the reason that they were

1543
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 1: doing so was to try and subtweet or push back

1544
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: against Felicia. But they didn't have the courage, Crystal, to

1545
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 1: just say, no, what you're doing here is ridiculous and

1546
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 1: you are not behaving in a way that I like.

1547
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: But because they're so captured by like the therapeutic woke

1548
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 1: industrial complex in the workplace, they don't have that. She's

1549
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: also in themselves unhinged, and you know, we'll go completely,

1550
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: She would go right after you. There was one we

1551
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: may have this, but go ahead and put this next

1552
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: piece up on the screen. Yes, our own colleagues begging

1553
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: her to stop. So this woman, Lisa Rain, just replies

1554
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: to your and says, please stop. Right, So, I mean,

1555
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: this is not over the top, right, this is just like,

1556
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: please stop. And of course she immediately goes nuclear on

1557
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 1: this lady, and you know, to them, so they're also

1558
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 1: fearful because they're basically dealing with a terrorist here. It's

1559
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: totally unafraid of just bombing anyone and everything in sight

1560
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 1: the moment they displease her. And yeah, it's it's completely

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01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: it's great. It's insane. Yeah, and it's way too I mean,

1562
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 1: you see this shit on the left all the time.

1563
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 1: Where you can have it just takes a few people

1564
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: who are willing to go completely nuts over this stuff.

1565
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: And because there's too much fear of calling them out

1566
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: and saying you're being ridiculous and you're just being an asshole,

1567
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: like put political values aside, you're just being a total

1568
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 1: dick right now, people are too afraid to do that.

1569
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: And so these people gain the upper hand and they

1570
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 1: end up controlling the organization. They do control it. Look

1571
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: at this, you know, you guys, remember Brianna Muir, the

1572
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,839
Speaker 1: person who was mistakenly referred to months ago as Breonna Taylor,

1573
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 1: and she complained about how it makes it very hard

1574
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: for her to do her job when somebody misspelled her

1575
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: name three months ago. She says, does our social media

1576
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 1: company a policy not applied to Lisa Rain for telling

1577
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 1: Felicia Samnez to stop on Twitter? In all honesty, her

1578
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 1: comment doesn't really sound collegial to me. She's blasting this out.

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01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 1: The entire new comment was about as collegial as it

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01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: gets it that circumstance in my opinions, Yeah, would she

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01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: even say please, please stop? You know? And then there's

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01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: another one. This one is my personal favorite. This guy

1583
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 1: who works over there. He's twenty two years old. Let's

1584
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: put us up there on the screen hold in Foreman.

1585
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: He's a software engineering whe's the Washington Post. He says

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01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 1: that he scrolled through more than forty eight hundred likes,

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01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 1: and he identified four Washington Post reporters who were in

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01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 1: agreement with the sentiments of the woman who said police stop.

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01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 1: And then he identified that they were all white men.

1590
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: So he says, oh, why is it exactly that these

1591
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 1: white men are the ones who are liking this tweet,

1592
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 1: do they agree with the policy of harassment? And look,

1593
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 1: just to give you a guy's an idea of who

1594
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 1: these people are. And I'm not picking on this, dude,

1595
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm just giving you the facts. He you know, he's

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01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 1: t two. You just graduated from Stanford. He works at

1597
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 1: the Washington Post pronouns in bio. Of course, this is

1598
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 1: an op ed that he wrote back in two thousand

1599
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 1: and twenty one while he was working there, so not

1600
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: that long ago, where he said that the Stanford dining

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01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: hall system did not work with his disordered eating. I

1602
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: have a lot of sympathy for people who struggle with

1603
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: disordered eating. But the crux of his camp complaint, Crystal,

1604
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 1: was that he has an undiagnosed disorder where he feels

1605
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: uncomfortable eating the amount of food that he should have

1606
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,719
Speaker 1: on his plate while he's at a buffet, and thus

1607
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 1: he wants the university to actually determine and place the

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01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 1: amount of food that he needs on his plate without

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01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 1: him having to make the choice of putting the amount

1610
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 1: of food that he needs on his plate. And it's

1611
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: also not diagnosed, and that's what he so he wants

1612
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 1: to the the University of effectively ration food at the buffet

1613
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 1: at Stanford. So I'm just giving you people a mindset

1614
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 1: into who these people are are that are just being

1615
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: allowed to flagrantly violate their company's policies. Now, look, you

1616
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: know you can believe whatever you want if you want

1617
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 1: to hold that position. I think it's f crazy, but whatever. Uh.

1618
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 1: The point is that he's publicly blasting his colleagues and

1619
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 1: effectively calling them both racist and sects as some of

1620
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 1: the worst things that you can call somebody in the

1621
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: PMC workplace and making it completely untenable to work there

1622
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 1: in like a civil way, right, And none of these

1623
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 1: people have been fired. Breonna still has her job, this

1624
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: guy holding still his job and flee And look, I

1625
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: don't think people should lose their job over trivial reasons.

1626
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,719
Speaker 1: I actually agree that when Felicisomnez was suspended for tweeting

1627
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 1: about how Kobe Bryant was a rapist, even though I

1628
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: obviously don't think that that was the time to do it,

1629
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: I think that was messed up. I think people should

1630
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 1: be able to mostly tweet what they want whenever it

1631
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: comes to their opinions with her. Is Dave Weigel in that,

1632
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: but no he did. Yeah, that's right exactly. Here's the thing, guys,

1633
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: this is so bad for the entire culture of workplace.

1634
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 1: If you care about workers rights as I do, like

1635
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: the fact that you have this person out here being

1636
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:11,600
Speaker 1: insane and smearing people publicly with a large and powerful platform,

1637
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:16,879
Speaker 1: and this goes completely unchecked. That's terrible. And the bottom

1638
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 1: line is, as you were saying, Sager, the reason this

1639
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 1: is allowed to persist is because people are so afraid

1640
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 1: of getting on the wrong side of a woke cultural issue. Yes,

1641
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 1: they live in terror of that. And so you allow

1642
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:36,720
Speaker 1: the most unhinged person to control the atmosphere of your workplace.

1643
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: I mean, the HR department at Washington Post just did

1644
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: the bidding of Felicious Somnaz, the most unhinged person. I've

1645
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: go to her Twitter timeline. Yeah, I mean it is relentless.

1646
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: So she calls me scum by way to say people,

1647
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even understand how this lady has

1648
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:57,600
Speaker 1: time to post all that she posts. I'm serious, like,

1649
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, touch grass for real, that's real. So you

1650
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: allow that person to control what you're doing over at

1651
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 1: Washington Post HR, that is that is cowardice. It's just

1652
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 1: cowardice because they don't want to be the one who's

1653
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 1: getting flamed by here and called sexist or whatever she's

1654
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 1: gonna ultimately throw at you. So that's ultimately what it

1655
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 1: comes down to. Is it gotta be you. People have

1656
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 1: got to stop being so terrified of getting on the

1657
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 1: wrong side of being called not woke enough or whatever,

1658
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 1: because whether it's at a media organization, whether it's at

1659
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 1: a company, whether it's a political project, more often than not,

1660
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 1: and we have seen so many examples of this on

1661
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 1: the left, that whole story Ryan Grimm did of the

1662
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:45,879
Speaker 1: like what was the Montgomery County City Council or something

1663
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, it just takes one person who

1664
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:53,600
Speaker 1: is willing to blow the whole project up because of

1665
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,639
Speaker 1: their own feelings or their own posture and their own

1666
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:00,640
Speaker 1: virtue signaling their own branding effort, and every around them

1667
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 1: being too cowardly to call them out to destroy everything good.

1668
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 1: I do think that this is just like a CIA,

1669
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: This whole cult is a CIA SI op to destroy

1670
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 1: the Left. And really I'm convinced that I went ahead

1671
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,639
Speaker 1: I put this out there. I've decided I'm actually pro

1672
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 1: Felicia at this point because what I realized is that

1673
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 1: she's just taking all of the cowardice language in the

1674
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: workplace to its logical conclusion. She's like, you said, believe

1675
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 1: all women, support all women at any cost in and

1676
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: we stand up the sexes. All this, she's just playing

1677
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,679
Speaker 1: it out and showing you that when you don't have

1678
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 1: clear hierarchy and real decisions which aren't based in trying

1679
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 1: to make people feel good all the time, this is

1680
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 1: the stuff that proliferates. I think it's nuts. Just look,

1681
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 1: we have policies. You violated the policy, you're fired. It's simple.

1682
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 1: And look, as long as it's not used in a

1683
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 1: punitive way where she's speaking out against something what I

1684
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 1: would consider and I think most people consider real, then

1685
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 1: it's fine. She's suing her own bosses and lost, by

1686
01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: the way, asking for two million, You think that doesn't

1687
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 1: some part in this. I think it's crazy that also

1688
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: all the people of the posts are too afraid, like

1689
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 1: the fact that they thought it was some win that

1690
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 1: their editor had to be like, we are reiterating the policy.

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Speaker 1: You don't need to reiterate the policy. Is the policy

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01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 1: actually implement implement the policy. She's still employed, by the way,

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01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 1: and Weigel for retweeting that stupid joke, which she immediately

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01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 1: deleted and apologized for. The guy's going without a paycheck

1695
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,759
Speaker 1: for a month, Ask yourself, could you go a whole

1696
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: month without pay how many people in this country? I'm

1697
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: not saying a sob story. Yeah, it's like probably up

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01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 1: in middle class. I don't think anybody should have to

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01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: go through that for something like this. And he's personally

1700
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 1: kind of after us. That's what we're trying to tell you.

1701
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,759
Speaker 1: We don't care. Felicia retweeted a tweet calling me absolute scum,

1702
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:50,679
Speaker 1: you know what. Unlike her, I'm you have incited violence.

1703
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 1: I don't care. I have a show here. I can

1704
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: find you all about it. And that's my point. How

1705
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: could you feel I don't want to all this stuff.

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01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,679
Speaker 1: It's fine, it's all in the game. You know. It's

1707
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 1: like the wire quote. But it's just one of those

1708
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 1: things where the cowardice, the cowardice and these people are

1709
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 1: very powerful. Because also you're going to have unhinged people

1710
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 1: any organizations, you have a large organization, you're gonna have

1711
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 1: someone who's nhinged. That's right, It's okay, okay, are you

1712
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: going to let that person run your organization, because that's

1713
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: what's happening right now. I mean, she literally is like

1714
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: dictating the decisions of Washingom post hr as of today,

1715
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: and all the best they can do is, like, We're

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01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 1: going to reiterate in a moment, no, if you have

1717
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: a policy, enforce your policy and make it safe for

1718
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: the rest of your workforce to actually like exist and

1719
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 1: not live in fear of their own shadow and being like,

1720
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, shamed and bullied online constantly. Absolutely right, all right, Chrissell,

1721
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 1: what are you taking a look at? Well? Guys? Sarah

1722
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 1: Fisher over at Axios has a pretty big scoop about

1723
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:53,719
Speaker 1: the new post zucker direction of CNN. According to her reporting,

1724
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 1: new CNN boss Chris Lickt is scrutinizing talent for partisanship

1725
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: and leaving open the possibility of a purge if hosts

1726
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: like Jim Acosta and Brian Stilter cannot rent it in.

1727
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 1: Sarah writes quote, Lickt wants to give personalities that may

1728
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: appear polarizing a chance to prove they are willing to

1729
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 1: uphold the network's value so that they do not tarnish

1730
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 1: Sann's journalism brand for on air talent that includes engaging

1731
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 1: in respectful interviews that don't feel like pr stunts for

1732
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,600
Speaker 1: producers and bookers. That includes making program decisions that are

1733
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: focused on nuance and not noise. This is the first

1734
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: we've heard directly that host might be on the chopping block,

1735
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 1: but we have been hearing a lot of similar noises

1736
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 1: about getting back to street journalism and dialing back the

1737
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 1: outrage machique machine since the new regime of bosses came

1738
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 1: in under the Discovery merger and after Jeff Zucker's auster.

1739
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: Heavyweight investor John Malone, for example, had this to say

1740
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 1: to CNBC last year, I would like to see CNN

1741
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 1: evolve back to the kind of journalism that it started with.

1742
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 1: And you know, I actually have journalists, which would be

1743
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:00,560
Speaker 1: unique and refreshing. And we just reported on Monday that

1744
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: Chrislick has created a new style guide that mandates the

1745
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 1: breaking news banner only be used when you know there's

1746
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: actually breaking news. According to that report quote, CNN's ubiquitous

1747
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 1: breaking news banner is gone, now reserved for instances of

1748
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 1: truly urgent events. Snarky on screen captions like angry Trump

1749
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 1: turns briefing into propaganda session, for instance, are discouraged political

1750
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 1: shows are trying to book more conservative voices, and producers

1751
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 1: have been urged to ignore Twitter backlash from the far

1752
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 1: right and the far left. That all sounds pretty good, right,

1753
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 1: do actual journalism, tone down the sensationalism, ditch the team

1754
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 1: Blue DNC cheerleaders. But there's a reason to believe that

1755
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 1: the changes are unlikely to last. And there's even more

1756
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 1: reasonab believe that CNN's new bosses do not actually have

1757
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:43,719
Speaker 1: a vision for media that will serve a people's agenda,

1758
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 1: since all cable news is really about one thing, delivering

1759
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:50,560
Speaker 1: for corporate advertisers, and that model will never be amenable

1760
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 1: to the media work that really needs to be done,

1761
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 1: and that is standing up to political, financial, and cultural power.

1762
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 1: So first, why am I skeptical that the changes will

1763
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 1: not last well? Because I went through a very similar

1764
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,600
Speaker 1: moment and a very similar purge at MSMBC was the

1765
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:07,679
Speaker 1: dog days of the second Obama term. Ratings at MSNBC

1766
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 1: were total trash, and a new head of NBC News

1767
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,640
Speaker 1: was brought in to sort out the future of MSNBC

1768
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 1: and actually specifically what to do with star anchor Brian Williams,

1769
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 1: who had been sidelined thanks to his revelations that he

1770
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 1: had lied repeatedly in a self aggrandizing way. Ultimately, Andrew Lack,

1771
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 1: who was longtime friends with Brian Williams, decided the answer

1772
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 1: to their MSMBC low ratings problems and their multimillion dollar

1773
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:32,680
Speaker 1: anchor on the sidelines problem was the same shift the

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01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 1: network away from opinion and towards the supposedly down the

1775
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 1: middle journalists of NBC News Now. This decision, as best

1776
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 1: I can tell, was driven by Lack's personal friendship with

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01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 1: Brian Williams and by the fact that both sides no

1778
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 1: label centrism is popular in the wealthy Manhattan cocktail circuits

1779
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 1: that media exects like Lack, and by the way, the

1780
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 1: new guy at CNN, Chris Licked, liked to frequent so

1781
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 1: at MSNBC. This shift meant Chuck Todd getting a daily

1782
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 1: show and met Brian Williams being brought into MSNBC first

1783
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 1: for Breaking News cut and then for his own show,

1784
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 1: and people like Ed Schultz, Malsa, Harris Perry and yours

1785
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 1: truly getting axed. No one problem with this move towards

1786
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,640
Speaker 1: trusted journalists is pretty obvious in its conception in what

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01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 1: world does a man who had just been caught repeatedly

1788
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 1: lying represent a turn towards grounded journalism. Get back to

1789
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 1: that in a moment, but the more immediate issue was

1790
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 1: that from a business perspective, the plan just didn't work

1791
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 1: all that well. Now you'll be shocked to learn that

1792
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: more Chuck Toad was not, in fact the network savior

1793
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:32,759
Speaker 1: that media execs thought. Instead, what saved MSNBC, like CNN,

1794
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:36,559
Speaker 1: was Trump and the Trump era. The more opinionated the host,

1795
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: the more willing they were to go down the Russiagate

1796
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 1: rabbit hole, the higher the ratings. And so even though

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01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 1: Lack and Co's personal preference was a milk toast corporate

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01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 1: centered aligned centrism, the sort of fare that is still

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01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:50,640
Speaker 1: dishonest but in a way that's comfortable for corporate advertisers,

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01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:54,639
Speaker 1: the ratings of the most committed Russigators could not be denied.

1801
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 1: And so you ended up with a very similar formula

1802
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 1: at MSNBC as you ended up with at CNN, a

1803
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 1: pind anti Trump coverage, but of the type that centered

1804
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 1: on lets of pearl clutching over his personal affect, focusing

1805
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 1: on his corruption or failed promises to the working class

1806
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 1: that squared the circle of rating well with dem partisans

1807
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 1: but also being non threatening to advertisers and to the

1808
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,799
Speaker 1: Democratic elites who had their own hands dirty with corruption

1809
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 1: and failed promises to the working class as well. So

1810
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:25,880
Speaker 1: as I'm watching Chrystlick go through exactly the same cycle

1811
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 1: as Andrew Lacked before him, you can see where all

1812
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 1: this is heading. CNN ratings will remain low until Trump returns,

1813
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 1: and then CNN will find it irresistible to go back

1814
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 1: to the formula it was financially successful for both CNN

1815
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 1: and MSMEC in the previous Trump era. By the way,

1816
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 1: I have no problem with trump outrage per se. There

1817
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: are a million ways that he is a true outrage.

1818
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 1: My problems with an outrage that is either surface level

1819
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: based on his borishness, or those based on lies like Russiagate,

1820
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 1: or that manages to criticize him from the right for

1821
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 1: the few good things he actually does, like negotiating with

1822
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 1: hostile regimes or imposing tariffs on China, And that gets

1823
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 1: it's the bigger problem here. The issue with CNN isn't

1824
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 1: really about personalities. Even people who are really annoying like

1825
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 1: Brian Stelter and Jim Acosta, And the problem is not

1826
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 1: the network being opinionated. The real problem is an entire

1827
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:15,759
Speaker 1: cable news structure that will always first and foremost serve

1828
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 1: capital why that's where the money is, and serve existing power,

1829
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 1: because exposing the powerful would mean exposing themselves and their

1830
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 1: friends and their advertisers. Cosmetic changes to any of these

1831
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 1: networks are completely meaningless. The only reforms that would actually

1832
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 1: matter would be to upend the business model that these

1833
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 1: companies run on that is clearly not happening, or to

1834
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: change the social class that their talent and producers come

1835
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 1: from and represent, also clearly not happening. Instead, you'll get

1836
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 1: some surface level shift from one flavor of corporate shill

1837
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 1: to a different flavor of corporate shill, and they'll scratch

1838
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 1: their heads and wonder why no one trusts them. So Sager,

1839
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:55,599
Speaker 1: even though he hear some things new miss oh maybe maybe,

1840
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:58,919
Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

1841
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. All right, Zacher,

1842
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: what are you looking at? Well? I know we already

1843
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 1: did a big segment on this with David Dan, but

1844
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 1: I feel really compelled to drill down into one of

1845
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 1: the worst things that President Biden has done as president

1846
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 1: so far. As we discussed in our last show, Biden

1847
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:18,599
Speaker 1: issued an executive order earlier this week invoking the Defense

1848
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:22,679
Speaker 1: Production Act to help spur the production of solar panels,

1849
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 1: while simultaneously declaring the companies who are very likely importing

1850
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,840
Speaker 1: illegal Chinese made solar panels designed to circumvent US anti

1851
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 1: dumping laws will not be subject to tariffs for at

1852
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:37,640
Speaker 1: least the next two years. The executive order is extraordinary

1853
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 1: because it effectively is saying that Biden knows the Commerce

1854
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 1: Department is investigating whether the entire US solar supply chain

1855
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 1: is a Chinese dupe, and that even though he knows

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01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 1: and that they will probably almost certainly find out that

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01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 1: they are, that the solar installers will not have to

1858
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 1: pay tariffs in the meantime, and because of a so

1859
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 1: called natural emergency which he simply he has just decided

1860
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 1: is going on. He says, I'm just going to suspend

1861
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 1: those tariffs even if the investigation finds that they are

1862
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:10,639
Speaker 1: legally dumped products on these companies. He's trying to cover

1863
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 1: this up by saying, yeah, I'm gonna invoke the Defense

1864
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 1: Production Act to increase production of US solar panels. But

1865
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 1: guess what. The entire reason that US solar manufacturing asks

1866
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 1: the Commerce Department to investigate this, as is their right

1867
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 1: under US law, is because they're being undercut by these

1868
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 1: Chinese transshippers via Southeast Asia. The CCP is deliberately subsidizing

1869
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 1: the cost of these panels to destroy any foreign, read

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01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:41,799
Speaker 1: American competition. So even if you spur US industry, nobody

1871
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 1: is going to buy it as long as the Chinese

1872
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 1: panels are cheaper. The Chinese are much smarter than us.

1873
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 1: They see clearly the neoliberal establishment in this country is

1874
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 1: literally brain dead. They have themselves committed, as we see

1875
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 1: in California, New York and others, to fake green energy

1876
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:02,520
Speaker 1: targets no matter that cost. They have decided for idiotic

1877
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 1: ideological reasons. Nuclear power is out of the question, so

1878
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:09,679
Speaker 1: they only have two options, wind and solar. They're going

1879
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 1: all in on both, despite the fact that the solar

1880
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 1: panels manufactured in Asia produce filthy bride products. They need

1881
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:19,759
Speaker 1: dirty coal in order to make them, and slave labor

1882
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 1: is almost certainly involved somewhere in the supply chain. Their

1883
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 1: green targets are the only things they care about in

1884
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:29,640
Speaker 1: this situation and really think about the consequences. Biden is

1885
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 1: deliberately allowing major population states like California, New York and

1886
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 1: others to move forward with Chinese made solar panels at

1887
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 1: the expense of natural gas and nuclear power. I'm not

1888
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 1: saying natural gas is great, but guess what, we have

1889
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:46,799
Speaker 1: a ton of it in our freaking ground. If anything

1890
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,680
Speaker 1: goes south, the administration is signing us up for a

1891
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:52,679
Speaker 1: future where we're nearly one hundred percent dependent on China

1892
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:56,879
Speaker 1: to manufacture the predominant future source of power to those grids.

1893
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 1: What could go wrong? Did we not just live through

1894
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 1: a pandemic and with high inflation right now as a

1895
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 1: result of horrific supply shocks, which are a direct result

1896
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 1: of globalization. The priority has to be the things that

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01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:13,680
Speaker 1: we have here within our borders, in our ground, or

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01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:16,759
Speaker 1: something that we can make without the rest of the world.

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Speaker 1: There's only one clean power source that fits that criteria.

1900
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 1: You guessed it. It's called nuclear. Yet, when the Treasury

1901
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 1: Secretary of the United States presents her alternative for fossil fuels,

1902
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 1: what do you think that she says? I'm given the

1903
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 1: global nature of these markets, that's virtually impossible for us

1904
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:38,599
Speaker 1: to insulate ourselves from shocks like the ones that are

1905
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 1: occurring in Russia that move global oil prices. And look

1906
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 1: over the medium term, the critical thing is that we

1907
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:52,000
Speaker 1: become more dependent on the wind in the sun that

1908
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:56,640
Speaker 1: are not subject to geopolitical influences. Every time, it's like

1909
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 1: a boomer mind disease that has swept this country and

1910
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 1: makes them think that low capacity, unreliable power sources which

1911
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 1: we can't manufacture here are somehow the future. It shows

1912
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 1: how fundamentally unserious these people are, and it also raises

1913
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 1: a really interesting question. Biden, when he wants to can

1914
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:16,160
Speaker 1: use executive power to spur energy production, he just did

1915
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:18,720
Speaker 1: it in a massive gift to the China lobby. He

1916
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:22,160
Speaker 1: was willing to issue an executive order that illegally circumvents

1917
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:25,680
Speaker 1: US law, specifically to bail out Chinese solar companies for

1918
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:29,400
Speaker 1: ideological reasons related to power. So why will he not

1919
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:33,360
Speaker 1: issue an executive order concerning anything else? As I laid

1920
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:35,640
Speaker 1: out in a previous monologue, Biden has the ability to

1921
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 1: limit exports of US crew to drop the price here

1922
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:40,680
Speaker 1: at home. He has the ability under the insane standard

1923
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,439
Speaker 1: to suspend them the US the Jones Act for when

1924
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 1: it relates to oil in between US ports. He has

1925
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:48,920
Speaker 1: the ability to even use the spr the streets of

1926
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 1: Petroleum Reserve to circumvent Wall Street's block on new drilling.

1927
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 1: All of those things he does not even need Congress for,

1928
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:58,400
Speaker 1: and yet he does not do them. So in fact,

1929
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 1: here's what's he telling us. It's perfectly fine that we're

1930
01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 1: all paying five dollars a gallon nationally on average. He

1931
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 1: won't lift a finger to help. But for the Chinese

1932
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:08,880
Speaker 1: solar companies, yeah, he'll go to the mat for that one.

1933
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:11,599
Speaker 1: One of the most important maximum of politics is that

1934
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:13,920
Speaker 1: what you choose to spend your time on is what's

1935
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:16,639
Speaker 1: actually important to you. And I know it sounds stupid,

1936
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:19,400
Speaker 1: but really think about it. Politicians are always saying something

1937
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 1: along the lines of this is my number one priority,

1938
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:23,640
Speaker 1: or I'm taking a stand against exter, or this is

1939
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 1: something I'm going to focus on in office. The only

1940
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 1: way that you know if it's real is if they

1941
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:31,839
Speaker 1: actually do anything about it. On this one, he's only

1942
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:35,799
Speaker 1: acted in one area of energy production, and if anything,

1943
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 1: it makes us worse off. What I hate about. This

1944
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 1: is how partisan brain worms are rotting this country. Yeah,

1945
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:45,760
Speaker 1: Biden and the Green people, they are legitimate idiots who

1946
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:47,759
Speaker 1: are fine with the idea of high gas and Chinese

1947
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:50,120
Speaker 1: solar as long as it makes them feel better. But

1948
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:54,320
Speaker 1: our whole country is suffering under the weight of bipartisan idiocy. Texas,

1949
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:57,120
Speaker 1: my home state, not home of the Green New Deal,

1950
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 1: is seeing record power demand with high temper flexing the

1951
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:04,240
Speaker 1: grid in ways we've never seen before. Texas gets forty

1952
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:06,759
Speaker 1: seven percent of its power from natural gas, twenty percent

1953
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:09,599
Speaker 1: from coal, twenty percent from wind, ten percent nuclear, only

1954
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:12,400
Speaker 1: one percent solar. So if the Texas grid goes down

1955
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 1: this summer, it's not going to be obvious that it's

1956
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:18,760
Speaker 1: the Green New Deal's fault. It's actually on fossil fuel

1957
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 1: promisers who said it would always give us everything we need. Look,

1958
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 1: even if the grid is intact over the summer, guess

1959
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:28,760
Speaker 1: what natural gas is priced at the global market. It's

1960
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:31,759
Speaker 1: sky high. Right now, people are going to get hosed

1961
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:34,559
Speaker 1: to a degree they are not used to on their

1962
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 1: electrical bills. I end with that because it encompasses the issue.

1963
01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:42,960
Speaker 1: We legitimately have a serious problem, and we need serious

1964
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 1: people to look at the actual choke points and not

1965
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:50,240
Speaker 1: let ideology cloud their decisions, because when ideology takes over,

1966
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:53,840
Speaker 1: it leads to two sides of the same twisted coin California,

1967
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,519
Speaker 1: where they're likely to face blackouts for being too green,

1968
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:59,679
Speaker 1: and Texas where they could have blackouts for not being

1969
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:03,760
Speaker 1: green enough. Going down both roads not gonna save us.

1970
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:07,639
Speaker 1: Only honesty will. And this administration they're telling us plainly,

1971
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 1: they're both not honest and honestly they're not very smart.

1972
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 1: I think that's really what it gets to with me, Christal,

1973
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:16,040
Speaker 1: with these solar things, it drives me crazy. And if

1974
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:18,880
Speaker 1: you want to hear my reaction to Sagre's monologue, become

1975
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 1: a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot Com. Big primary

1976
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 1: results in California, two racists in particular that got a

1977
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:30,840
Speaker 1: lot of national attention. The first one we want to

1978
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 1: start with is the recall of progressive prosecutor of San Francisco,

1979
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:37,280
Speaker 1: Chase A. Boudin, and the vote was not particularly close.

1980
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:40,000
Speaker 1: In the end, sixty percent voted to recall him. Join

1981
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,800
Speaker 1: us to break down what this means, both in terms

1982
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:45,600
Speaker 1: of San Francisco, but more broadly for the movement of

1983
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 1: criminal justice. Reform is Ross Barkin. He is a longtime

1984
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 1: friend of the show. He also hold on let me

1985
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:53,080
Speaker 1: pull up all his titles. He's a writer for New

1986
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:57,160
Speaker 1: York Magazine columnists with Jacobin, also a contributor at The Nation,

1987
01:43:57,320 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 1: author of three books, including The Night Burns Bright Great

1988
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:02,679
Speaker 1: to see Ross good, Jay Man, Thank you for having

1989
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:05,760
Speaker 1: me excited to be back. Yeah, our pleasure. So you

1990
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 1: have been following this race closely, and you wrote an analysis.

1991
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put that up on the screen,

1992
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:14,120
Speaker 1: and you headline it here. And this is again regarding

1993
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:17,799
Speaker 1: Chase A. Boudin, the progressive prosecutor in San Francisco being recalled.

1994
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:22,920
Speaker 1: You title it. The backlash has begun. So for people

1995
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:25,920
Speaker 1: who haven't been following this race, who don't know anything

1996
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 1: about Chasa, tell us about him, his approach, what it

1997
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:32,759
Speaker 1: means to be a progressive prosecutor, and why he became

1998
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 1: such a sort of lightning rod. Sure. So, Chase A.

1999
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:41,640
Speaker 1: Boudin is elected District Attorney of San Francisco in twenty nineteen.

2000
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:45,559
Speaker 1: He runs as a progressive, very much in the mold

2001
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 1: of other progressive prosecutors around the country. Larry krest Or

2002
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:55,920
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, Wesley Bell in Saint Louis and immediately his

2003
01:44:56,320 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 1: tenures rocky. It coincides with the pandemic insides with a

2004
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 1: rise in certain types of crime in San Francisco. You

2005
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:08,120
Speaker 1: have seen a rise in homicides that's been rather small,

2006
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 1: but you have seen a surge in hate crimes against Asians.

2007
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:16,760
Speaker 1: You've seen a rise in burglaries, car break ins, and

2008
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 1: so there's been really a general sense of the quality

2009
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:22,479
Speaker 1: of life in San Francisco has been declining, and there's

2010
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 1: a major homelessness problem there as well. So all of

2011
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 1: this fell on his shoulders. And also since he was

2012
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:33,679
Speaker 1: a reformist, progressive prosecutor, he was not asking for cash bail,

2013
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:41,320
Speaker 1: he was clashing with police, he was using diversion programs

2014
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:45,880
Speaker 1: much more than other conventional DA's, so many felt he

2015
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:48,759
Speaker 1: wasn't going hard enough on certain criminals like drug dealers,

2016
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:52,120
Speaker 1: and so it was a confluence of various factors that

2017
01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 1: led to him getting recalled. And there were conservatives who

2018
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:58,360
Speaker 1: are very angry at him. There's the Asian community that

2019
01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 1: was very angry at him. There were regular liberals, especially

2020
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:04,799
Speaker 1: older voters, who are very angry with him, who felt

2021
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:07,479
Speaker 1: that for a variety of reasons he was to blame

2022
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:09,760
Speaker 1: for the state of San Francisco. So they got the

2023
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 1: signatures together. There was right wing money behind it, there

2024
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 1: was a grassroots push behind it, and on Tuesday he

2025
01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:20,200
Speaker 1: was overwhelmingly recalled. I think the split ended up being

2026
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 1: around sixty forty. And now London brief who's the mayor?

2027
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 1: She will point his replacement as DA. And just for

2028
01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 1: the viewers out there at San Francisco DA, it's a

2029
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:34,880
Speaker 1: storied place. Kamala Harris was once the DA of San Francisco,

2030
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 1: so certainly it can be a launching pad for other things.

2031
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:41,200
Speaker 1: Place to watch. Yeah, I think Gavin Newsom too, if

2032
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:44,519
Speaker 1: I'm not sorry, here's the mayor, that's right, So you

2033
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 1: know the Tree team was the mayor too. There you go,

2034
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:51,000
Speaker 1: great great history. I mean I think it's really interesting Ross.

2035
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 1: You know, i'd like so I read your piece. I

2036
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:56,280
Speaker 1: know you talked a little bit to Chasa, but there

2037
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:59,040
Speaker 1: seems to be quite a bit of cope on his part,

2038
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:01,640
Speaker 1: which I'd love for you to gut into. I mean,

2039
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 1: he tries to say, like, oh, crime is down except

2040
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 1: for murder, which is up, you know, like thirty seven percent.

2041
01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:09,160
Speaker 1: While he's over there and I just got the general sense,

2042
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:11,640
Speaker 1: and I full disclosure. I literally know some of the

2043
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 1: people who funded this thing, David Sachs and others. I

2044
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:17,599
Speaker 1: am not you know, I am not uncolored by my

2045
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:19,880
Speaker 1: own personal biases. My own sister had to leave San

2046
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:22,640
Speaker 1: Francisco because crime was so bad, So I can just

2047
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:25,080
Speaker 1: go ahead and put all that on the table. What

2048
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:28,600
Speaker 1: I got from him is that, unlike Krasner and evenlike

2049
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:32,600
Speaker 1: I forget the guy's name in La, unlike them Gascon,

2050
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:36,800
Speaker 1: yet he did not seem to actually care in a

2051
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 1: public way about crime, and that seemed to be the

2052
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:43,680
Speaker 1: real nail in his coffin. There were all those stories

2053
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 1: that came out of he would meet with an Asian

2054
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 1: family and say he was promised he was going to

2055
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,960
Speaker 1: do something about their murder, and then he would drop

2056
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:53,479
Speaker 1: the charges. He wouldn't He would say that he wouldn't

2057
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 1: want to charge drug dealers because many of them were

2058
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:59,280
Speaker 1: illegal immigrants, and you prefer that they don't get deported.

2059
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 1: These are all things that he said on record. So

2060
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:05,720
Speaker 1: am I wrong in saying that? Dispositionally? And almost as

2061
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:09,719
Speaker 1: a politician, he just seems far worse than Krasner and Gascon.

2062
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:12,639
Speaker 1: Even if they all may even have the same policy. No.

2063
01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:15,360
Speaker 1: I would agree with that, and in my long piece

2064
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:18,559
Speaker 1: on Boudin, I noted that that he's not in any

2065
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:21,360
Speaker 1: way was not a natural politician. He was someone who

2066
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 1: did not come out of the typical political ranks of

2067
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 1: San Francisco, which is a place, as we said before,

2068
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:31,959
Speaker 1: is kind of a remarkable launching pad for national politics,

2069
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:35,519
Speaker 1: whether it's Pelosi, Kamala, Harris, Gavin Newsom, you know, it

2070
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:40,000
Speaker 1: is a place where talent is manufactured. He was not

2071
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:43,679
Speaker 1: a natural politician, and at times he was tone deaf,

2072
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 1: and he was not good at building alliances with communities.

2073
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:50,880
Speaker 1: He was not good at building alliances with the Democratic establishment.

2074
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:55,800
Speaker 1: Though he had endorsements, the reality was the Democratic establishment

2075
01:48:55,920 --> 01:49:00,320
Speaker 1: was not eager to defend him, particularly the mayor London Reed,

2076
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:04,160
Speaker 1: who did not support the recall but also was not

2077
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 1: against the recall, and that was very key. So I

2078
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:13,160
Speaker 1: would agree that unlike Krasner, Boudin was not a death politician.

2079
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:16,599
Speaker 1: I would also add the quirk of the recall makes

2080
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 1: it hard because he had no opponent. Krasner was able

2081
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:23,720
Speaker 1: to defeat a primary opponent. Typically that's what happens. It's

2082
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:26,759
Speaker 1: a referendum on the person. But there's another person running.

2083
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:30,240
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom gets recalled, here's Larry Elder. You can point

2084
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:32,800
Speaker 1: to Elder and say I'm better. Boujin had no one

2085
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:35,720
Speaker 1: to point to. I think that recall environment makes it

2086
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,720
Speaker 1: very hard. But yes, he was not a natural politician

2087
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:41,439
Speaker 1: and he's not a natural alliance builder. I think that

2088
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:46,000
Speaker 1: was very clear. Ross. Can you talk about the backlash

2089
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 1: in the Asian American community, specifically in the Chinese community

2090
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 1: against Boudin because now that community, they were very instrumental

2091
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:56,200
Speaker 1: in a couple of school board recalls that were also

2092
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:01,200
Speaker 1: significant in San Francisco, and you know, a core part

2093
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:04,800
Speaker 1: of the sort of grassroots backlash against booting, which I

2094
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:08,160
Speaker 1: think was you know, was very real. Where did that

2095
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:13,200
Speaker 1: come from? And broadening out from San Francisco? What do

2096
01:50:13,240 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 1: you think that says about I even hate saying the

2097
01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 1: word Asian American community because it's such a broad and

2098
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 1: diverse group of people. But what do you think it

2099
01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:26,160
Speaker 1: says about the Democratic Party and their relationship with this constituency.

2100
01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:30,439
Speaker 1: It's definitely a warning to the Democratic Party that it's

2101
01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:34,360
Speaker 1: a constituency that can't be taken for granted. You know,

2102
01:50:34,479 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 1: majority of Asian American voters. And yes it's a very

2103
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:41,240
Speaker 1: broad category. You're talking about Chinese voters, Korean voters, tie voters,

2104
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 1: and so on vote Democrat. But right now, I think

2105
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:51,559
Speaker 1: any politician running in an area with an Asian community

2106
01:50:51,720 --> 01:50:54,559
Speaker 1: who is a Democrat cannot sit back and say these

2107
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:57,280
Speaker 1: people are automatically in my column. You see it in

2108
01:50:57,320 --> 01:50:59,559
Speaker 1: New York City too. At the mayoral race in twenty

2109
01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:04,920
Speaker 1: twenty one, the Republican candidate tied Eric Adams in the

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Speaker 1: heavily Chinese and the Korean neighborhood of Flushing in Queens,

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Speaker 1: which was usually never happens the Democrat wins, especially for mayor.

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Speaker 1: So wherever you go, especially on the coasts, this is

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Speaker 1: a big challenge for Democrats, particularly because crime is overall higher,

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Speaker 1: not as high as it was historically. But it's not

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Speaker 1: something you can say to the average voter who's maybe

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Speaker 1: been mugged, who's been threatened in some way, knows someone

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Speaker 1: who's killed. You can't go, well, it was worse than

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Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties. Many of them do not remember the

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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, and so that doesn't mean anything to people.

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Speaker 1: So I do think it's a big challenge for Democrats.

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Speaker 1: It's a big challenge for the progressive wing as well

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Speaker 1: as the moderate wing. And I do think Democrats have

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Speaker 1: to recalibrate in some way and how they talk about crime,

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Speaker 1: how they talk about policing progressives in particular. It's a

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Speaker 1: very tricky subject. It's very challenging and varies by city too.

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Speaker 1: The crime picture in San Francisco, for example, is not

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Speaker 1: the crime picture in Baltimore. Right. Homicides actually are not

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Speaker 1: a big problem in San Francisco for the size of

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Speaker 1: its city. They're quite low and they haven't risen by

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Speaker 1: that much. But you other types of crimes that have risen,

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Speaker 1: so people do feel a sense of lack of safety,

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Speaker 1: decline a quality of life. These things do matter, and

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Speaker 1: I think they matter a lot in the immigrant Asian community,

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Speaker 1: particularly to many people targeted for hate crimes. So I

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Speaker 1: do think Democrats cannot take them for granted. And Republicans

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Speaker 1: are making gains there and that could continue. There's a

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Speaker 1: rule that says it would not continue. I think we

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Speaker 1: should stick on this point. It's very important, which is

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Speaker 1: that you know, these people are not Republicans, like they

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Speaker 1: just rejected any independent candidate, but as you're seeing in

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Speaker 1: LA a billionaire is very likely to be the next

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Speaker 1: mayor of Los Angeles, built explicitly on the promise of

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Speaker 1: cleaning up LA. Here, Now, Chase a Boudin gets it

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Speaker 1: and not like a London breed is some Republican but

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Speaker 1: she framed herself here as a centrist. Why is it easier,

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Speaker 1: seemingly to my eyes, that a London breed and an

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Speaker 1: Eric Adams can acknowledge the reality of crime to extraordinarily

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Speaker 1: political success. But Chasa Krasner, Gascon and all thirs, they

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Speaker 1: just seem to have a real issue just acknowledging that

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Speaker 1: people can look around and be like, I do not

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Speaker 1: feel safe in this city. Why do they have such

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Speaker 1: a problem validating that concept? It just seems so insane

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Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, well, I first push back into a

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Speaker 1: few points. Cruiser is not a lot to be the

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Speaker 1: next mayor of LA. He'll be in a run off

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Speaker 1: with Karen Bass and that's going to be quite contentious.

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Speaker 1: And it wouldn't shock me if bast won in November.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of times that race to sort itself

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Speaker 1: out fair enough. Eric Adams is an interesting one, extraordinary

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Speaker 1: political success. I don't know his approval ratings are quite

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Speaker 1: low right now, ironically because of the crime issue. In

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Speaker 1: a sense, centrists, i'd say, Democrats and Republicans alike have

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Speaker 1: sort of, you know, this challenge where if you campaign

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Speaker 1: on let's say a city being out of control on

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Speaker 1: I will solve the crime issue. If then you're in

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Speaker 1: power and you don't, voters can turn on you. So

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Speaker 1: you're starting to see that happen with Eric Adams in

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Speaker 1: New York, for London breed in San Francisco. It's hard

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Speaker 1: problem now and a lot of the issues that festered

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Speaker 1: were not chase of Boudine's fault. They dated back a

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Speaker 1: decade or more. Homelessness in particular, huge, huge problem in

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, LA. So that is one problem that I

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Speaker 1: would say even the center or the right has if

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Speaker 1: it does come into power, voters are student enough to go, well,

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Speaker 1: you said you clean it up, now go clean it up,

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Speaker 1: and then crime maybe doesn't fall right away. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think to answer your question, it can be tricky

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Speaker 1: for progressives who run on these reform platforms, who are

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Speaker 1: saying we support rehabilitation versus locking people up in jail,

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Speaker 1: and are very wary of falling back on sort of

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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties paradigm. Now do you

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Speaker 1: overcorrect for that, I think you can, because quality of

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Speaker 1: life does matter. I think for socialists and leftist candidates too.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a mistake to ignore quality of life

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Speaker 1: concerns in general. It does matter if your city is dirty,

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Speaker 1: it does matter if it's not, you know, just just

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Speaker 1: a pleasant place to be if garbage is piling up

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Speaker 1: in the streets, even putting aside crimes. So I do

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Speaker 1: think the left shouldn't seed ground on those issues. And

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Speaker 1: I think there are intelligent and nuanced ways to talk

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Speaker 1: about crime where police do have to do their job

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Speaker 1: and solve crimes. And it also doesn't make sense to

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Speaker 1: give some of the life sentence for you know, a

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Speaker 1: drug offense or something like that. So there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of nuance there. But if crime is rising, it can

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Speaker 1: be very hard to even talk nuance. Because I think

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Speaker 1: whenever crime is up, the right gets that advantage because

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Speaker 1: their solutions sound much better and they seem like they'll

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Speaker 1: happen much more quickly. Yeah, they're very here's what we're

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Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna be tough on these people. We're going

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Speaker 1: to clean it up. It's going to happen. But I

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Speaker 1: think that Eric Adams point is a good one that

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Speaker 1: I mean, he has done those things, I mean the

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Speaker 1: famous like clear out these homeless encampments and you know

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Speaker 1: what was kind of brutal way, but the results haven't followed,

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Speaker 1: and so people are turning on him as well. In

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, it also seems to me that there's a

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously, it's one of the most unequal places

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Speaker 1: in the entire country. The only people who can afford

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Speaker 1: to live there are basically like wealthy people and then

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Speaker 1: people who are experiencing homelessness, right, I mean, that's that's

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Speaker 1: the There's very little middle class left in the city.

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Speaker 1: And so the type of progressivism that I think is

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Speaker 1: embraced by some is you know, doesn't want to compromise

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Speaker 1: on anything like building a lot more affordable housing that

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Speaker 1: might compromise you know, their views of the bay, or

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Speaker 1: infringe on their you know, on their property or change

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Speaker 1: their property values. And so I think that also creates

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Speaker 1: a sort of limit because ultimately, as a progressive prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to solve all the

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Speaker 1: ills of society or all the ills of your city,

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Speaker 1: but you do have to be responsive in you know,

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Speaker 1: in the areas where where you can actually make a

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Speaker 1: difference or at least validate people's legitimate concerns that like

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Speaker 1: I want my kids to feel safe when we're walking

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Speaker 1: down the street. The thing I think about Ross a

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Speaker 1: lot is like the Sewer Socialists, who were very popular

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Speaker 1: because you know, they had a broader ideology socialist ideology,

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Speaker 1: but what they focused on was actually delivering for people

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Speaker 1: tangibly and materially and competently in their day to day lives.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes I feel like on the progressive side there

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01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:50,080
Speaker 1: can be this sort of like ideological disconnect versus actually

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Speaker 1: focusing on how do we improve people's lives today? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would agree. I think for DSA. Kennedys, who in office,

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Speaker 1: constituency services remains very important and that is such a

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Speaker 1: big element of this. The Sewer Socialists are a great model. Milwaukee,

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Speaker 1: who's run by socialists for fifty or sixty years. You

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Speaker 1: brought up San Francisco in the vanishing middle class. I

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Speaker 1: wrote it in my first long New York magazine piece

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Speaker 1: about this race that can't be separated, I think from

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Speaker 1: the outcome of the Boudin recall Larry Krasner one re

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01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 1: election fairly decisively, in part because he ran up pretty

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Speaker 1: big margins in the black community of Philadelphia. Now, of course,

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01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:32,200
Speaker 1: black voters are also concerned about crime and do care

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Speaker 1: about quality of life issues. But it's notable that San

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Speaker 1: Francisco's black population is almost non existent at this point.

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Speaker 1: There really is this massive gulf where yes, you have

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Speaker 1: extremely wealthy people, you have some middle class people, and

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Speaker 1: then you have a lot of very poor, basically homeless people,

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Speaker 1: not even really working class people anymore so Demographically, it's

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Speaker 1: a city that's very different than some other cities, certainly

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Speaker 1: like New York or Philadelphia for example, where the electorate

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01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:06,680
Speaker 1: is a bit more complex that I think class divide

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01:59:06,760 --> 01:59:09,760
Speaker 1: and also just the absence of a middle class can't

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Speaker 1: be ignored. Now, a middle class could have voted to

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Speaker 1: recall Boudin. I'm not saying like a working class black

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Speaker 1: population saves a tone death DA. What I'm saying is,

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Speaker 1: with the Krasner case, you did see an example that happening.

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Speaker 1: And also to your other point, yes, a district attorney

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Speaker 1: can't solve a lot of problems. A DA can't even

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Speaker 1: really control a crime rate, and there's no good evidence

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Speaker 1: that has ever been true. The police have to do

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Speaker 1: their job. The police in San Francisco, for I understand,

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Speaker 1: I don't live there. I've studied it a little bit,

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Speaker 1: are fairly in net. The NYPD gets a lot of flak,

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Speaker 1: but the NYPD is decent at solving crimes, at not

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Speaker 1: discharging their weapons. The San Francisco PD seems to be

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Speaker 1: on some sort of like de facto or almost strike

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Speaker 1: where literally they don't really control and seem to do

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Speaker 1: their job. So the DA cannot control that either. And

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Speaker 1: the housing picture in California in general is broken. You know,

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Speaker 1: studying it made me appreciate I think the East Coast

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Speaker 1: approach a bit more because in New York you can build,

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Speaker 1: we do rezone things, you do have high rises. San

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Speaker 1: Francisco building is incredibly restricted. That's true in LA as well,

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Speaker 1: and you have decades of no housing construction. Effectively, you

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Speaker 1: get these tent cities. And I don't think it's progressive

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Speaker 1: to have tent cities. I think the issue is progressive

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Speaker 1: support them, because then they feel like the people don't

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Speaker 1: go anywhere else. But I do think there is a

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Speaker 1: breaking point coming in California where a lot of people

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Speaker 1: are saying, we cannot have people on the streets like this,

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Speaker 1: and let's find a solution. So Caruso actually ran on

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Speaker 1: building a lot more shelter beds, so did Karen Bass.

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Speaker 1: There is going to have to be some change at

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Speaker 1: some point in the California housing picture because it is

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Speaker 1: profoundly broken. That's the fall of Democrats. It's the fault

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Speaker 1: of moderate Democrats. It's the fault of progressive Democrats. It's

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Speaker 1: the fault of Republicans too. Remember Arnold Schwarzenegger as Governor

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Speaker 1: of the States, California has a Republican tradition. It's the

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Speaker 1: fault of the entire political class. I think everyone should

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Speaker 1: come in for drubbing when it comes to the California

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Speaker 1: homelessness and housing situation. It really has festered for now

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Speaker 1: decades and we're seeing this breaking point coming now in

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenties. Yeah. I appreciate your analysis very much.

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Speaker 1: Ross as Nuances. I think we can get from the left.

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Speaker 1: I encourage people to go and read your piece and

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Speaker 1: read as much as they can about this, because I

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Speaker 1: do think that this is part of a bigger thing

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Speaker 1: that's going to be happening across the country, as you

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Speaker 1: even allude to in the piece. So thank you very

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