Speaker 1: Look mad oh, I see you. Why look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness ding dong less culture
Speaker 1: racist calling a beautiful day for culture talk. I'm really
Speaker 1: feeling this Sunday energy. We're recording on Sunday in person
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, sort of, you know, a Sunday kind
Speaker 1: of love. Just you know, some light out of James
Speaker 1: references there, I don't know, just to get some culture
Speaker 1: right up top. Oh my god, you got Edda, you
Speaker 1: got Maroon, Fine, you got every Sunday culture thing. Kind
Speaker 1: of really converging in this room. I think Sunday. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about Sunday. Sunday is one of the most iconic days,
Speaker 1: so commonly one of the things you think of when
Speaker 1: you think Sunday is, of course brunch, which we did
Speaker 1: do today. Did that with Joe Kim and his boyfriend
Speaker 1: John Michael, the iconic John Michael with an iconic class name,
Speaker 1: SuDS SuDS An. We're fully dock and beautiful boy. He
Speaker 1: is such a wonderful boy. You won You know what
Speaker 1: I love is when people come up to us and
Speaker 1: they say, you do look alike girl, because he's hot.
Speaker 1: Let's just say it. He's a reader, he's a reader publicist,
Speaker 1: and then we did so so our our our server
Speaker 1: brunch did point that out today, and then I get
Speaker 1: an iconic server today, Jessica. Jessica comes over to the
Speaker 1: table and Bone was there by himself, there by myself,
Speaker 1: waiting for the rest of the group to join. I'm
Speaker 1: just they're sort of sitting, and then she comes up
Speaker 1: to me and she goes, Hi, how are Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. You have an amazing energy. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: it wasn't even like oh my god, as people are
Speaker 1: wanting to do. It was oh my god, you have
Speaker 1: an amazing energy. And I was like, well, it's true.
Speaker 1: I wasn't giving off anything. And then and then you
Speaker 1: don't have to Okay, that's what a star does. This
Speaker 1: is what happened though. She said that, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I received that, thank you so much. But then, of course,
Speaker 1: what should happen. I go into my own head and go, well,
Speaker 1: now I'm like a little too like aware of your
Speaker 1: own energy, trying to adjust and be like, oh, let
Speaker 1: me like not go too strong with that, like like
Speaker 1: let me just like pull back a little. I don't.
Speaker 1: Then you start to second guess yourself when someone gives
Speaker 1: you a compliment like that that's so abstract, lovely compliment,
Speaker 1: that feeling when you're emanating so hard that you have
Speaker 1: to pull it back. Girl say absolutely slay and go off.
Speaker 1: And wasn't just to say about slay and go off.
Speaker 1: We saw Mutu Juhari yesterday and checked them with her
Speaker 1: and what the do people know about slay? What you
Speaker 1: want to say? Do? I think we've said? I think
Speaker 1: we have documented before In the song Mutu Juhari did
Speaker 1: an incredible update of the song Brave by Sarah Barrellis.
Speaker 1: This is a circuit two sixt so way back and
Speaker 1: sort of the what we call in the pop culture
Speaker 1: um lexicon the Brave by Sarah burrellas era. So this
Speaker 1: is when Brave was sort of the top song of
Speaker 1: the moment, and the song goes like this, Slay, what
Speaker 1: do you want to slay? I let the queen and
Speaker 1: drag her honestly, see you go off? An improvement on
Speaker 1: the song on the original let me see you go off.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I do want to see you go off. I
Speaker 1: want to see you go off. There's never a time
Speaker 1: where I don't want to see you, my sister go off.
Speaker 1: You're in luck because let me tell you something. It's
Speaker 1: an episode of Last Culturess, and I have no choice
Speaker 1: but to absolutely pop off on pop culture and all
Speaker 1: the topics they're in. Okay, they're solely based on the
Speaker 1: one event that they let Matt and I go to,
Speaker 1: the one like semi prestigious Hollywood event that we were
Speaker 1: able to go to this awards season together. It was
Speaker 1: the Critics Choice Awards, which, let's just say, I didn't realize.
Speaker 1: Did you realize that it was going to be film
Speaker 1: and television? I wasn't sure. Well, you had come up,
Speaker 1: you had come to meet me in my hotel. First
Speaker 1: of all, landed at a cool eleven thirty am. I
Speaker 1: had to be at my hotel and be like ready
Speaker 1: for like the people to come in and like do
Speaker 1: your hair and makeup and put you in your clothes
Speaker 1: at like twelve thirty. So I had no time at all.
Speaker 1: I'm jet lagged, not even jet left. You're dragging, sleep deprived, dragging,
Speaker 1: just really really in the depths. And so I came
Speaker 1: over to the hotel to sort of get ready for it,
Speaker 1: and I of course said what you always have to
Speaker 1: say to a tired person, which is, well, let's drink. Well,
Speaker 1: let's said, let's order a bottle of champagne. We were
Speaker 1: celebrating you were nominated, and it was the right move.
Speaker 1: I don't regret that champagne at all. Really loosened me up,
Speaker 1: really energized to me. But then you had even asked
Speaker 1: me in that moment, is it film and TV? And
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm really not sure. Come to find out,
Speaker 1: it's absolutely film and television. So we're there and I
Speaker 1: don't know how you feel, but like I was drunk
Speaker 1: from go. I was drunk from go on the Red carpet.
Speaker 1: If you go back, I I can. I just say
Speaker 1: I was dressed in the most wonderful garment by Willie
Speaker 1: Norris shout her out, and I was already three sheets
Speaker 1: to the wind on the red carpet if you like.
Speaker 1: But I'm not so I'm saying I'm not proud of
Speaker 1: my Red carpet photos this time because I was not
Speaker 1: in the right state of mind by being sleep deprived
Speaker 1: and a little buzzed. I mean, I quickly found out
Speaker 1: that it was film and television. When because I was like,
Speaker 1: we get in line about so peek behind the curtain.
Speaker 1: You have to sort of like get in line for
Speaker 1: the red carpet. Let's tell it's like all these like
Speaker 1: cuckoo celebrities in line, like getting read for the Red carpet.
Speaker 1: And I was like, girl, I'm not getting on this carpet.
Speaker 1: There's no reason for me to be out there this time,
Speaker 1: So let me go get another drink. So I go
Speaker 1: to the side and get another drink. And when I
Speaker 1: tell you, I'm at the bottom of the escalator, wait,
Speaker 1: and I'm literally it's literally like you guys would die
Speaker 1: picturing me at the bottom of the escalator waiting for Bowen,
Speaker 1: who was last down the escalator. By the way, you
Speaker 1: took the longest ast. Kristen Stewart is going by, Kirsten
Speaker 1: Donson's going by, Elizabeth Olson goes by. Fucking everyone's going by,
Speaker 1: and I'm just literally sitting there like what the fuck
Speaker 1: is this? And it's like sinking in that it's film
Speaker 1: and television, which also makes me realize she's gonna be long.
Speaker 1: She's gonna be a long show. And we were drunk already,
Speaker 1: and I knew we were gonna be drinking at the table,
Speaker 1: but I said, they have there has to be like
Speaker 1: an entree at the table. We arrived at the table.
Speaker 1: It's not even room temperature. Hummus, it was cold. It
Speaker 1: was giving. I mean, I had no problem with the
Speaker 1: temperature of the hummus and the big piece of bread
Speaker 1: they gave. But that was all it was. That was
Speaker 1: all it was. And so of course everybody getting wasted, wasted.
Speaker 1: I'm quoting this song. But yes, see, everybody in the club,
Speaker 1: get tips. Everybody out back out to that, shout back
Speaker 1: out to who is that? Who's saying that? Man, I
Speaker 1: don't know that one's lost the time. I don't even
Speaker 1: think you can google that. I don't even think you
Speaker 1: can google who's saying tipsy? See that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like who who could say that? Who can Jakewan tipsy?
Speaker 1: Like talk about the Sarah Brella's Brave of its Time
Speaker 1: and that it was everywhere in the year it was out,
Speaker 1: which was let's say two thousand seven. If you were
Speaker 1: everybody in the if you were to if you were
Speaker 1: to do like a maitre Jhary like re rewrite of
Speaker 1: the lyrics, what would that be? Everybody at the gig,
Speaker 1: go sligh, Everybody at the gig, everybody at the event,
Speaker 1: get drunk, So that was sort of what everyone was doing,
Speaker 1: and you sort of look around and it's all these
Speaker 1: psychotically famous people, and of course you know Bow and
Speaker 1: Yang we were all rooting for. But he did lose
Speaker 1: to Brett Goldstein, who was one, I think at the
Speaker 1: Pulitzer Prize and Nobel Prize. At this point like wins
Speaker 1: every single award that is actually in existence. So we
Speaker 1: were sort of like, okay, Sligh, go off quick, Um,
Speaker 1: we're happy for him in London, But then we proceeded
Speaker 1: to get even drunker. There was a thirty minute period
Speaker 1: of panic when I lost my phone. That wasn't the
Speaker 1: most high stick situation I've ever I think it was
Speaker 1: in tears. You were I'm sorry, you were comically distress.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even it wasn't funny embarrassing, but you were
Speaker 1: just like it was as if like someone was debb
Speaker 1: some I didn't want to say it, but you know,
Speaker 1: like someone had passed away because like I really didn't
Speaker 1: want to lose my phone Critic's choice, and so then
Speaker 1: I was so blacked out by like literally the show
Speaker 1: was still forty five minutes left to go. Did I
Speaker 1: tell you Darcy sent me a video of me standing
Speaker 1: full up while Jane Campion is on stage, not not
Speaker 1: making the Venus and Serena comment, but with her and
Speaker 1: her producer and Kirsten and Jesse Clemens accepting Best Pictures
Speaker 1: accepting Best Picture for Power the Dog. I'm standing up.
Speaker 1: You're the only person standing up in that room of
Speaker 1: hundreds of a to see listers. You getting up and
Speaker 1: just looking so and I'm walking out. I honestly, it
Speaker 1: was that kind of thing where it was like I
Speaker 1: don't remember that happening at all. And that's what I mean,
Speaker 1: is like when I tell you they don't feed you
Speaker 1: at all. So so anyway, just know that's where we
Speaker 1: were at. I did find my phone. Thank you Kevin
Speaker 1: over your work security. You are an absolute star. You
Speaker 1: got my phone back. It was me you, Lauren Mindel
Speaker 1: Love our Girl. Lauren was nominated for producing Joy Nicole
Speaker 1: Johnson's Slay and Joy was we were was the superstar
Speaker 1: of this after part looked incredible, looked incredible. We need
Speaker 1: to get Joy on the spot. We were in this space.
Speaker 1: Joints were being handed, handed around, passed around. So let's
Speaker 1: just say this. I'm so tired. I'm sorry, there's someone
Speaker 1: in Hollywood that no one is talking about that as
Speaker 1: an icon, and or no one's talking about them enough.
Speaker 1: That is an icon that was handing out blunts at
Speaker 1: this Netflix after party like they were the queen. It
Speaker 1: was the most, to say the least, everybody was wasted.
Speaker 1: Are you about to say that you think that critics
Speaker 1: Joyce is trying to make a play for being I
Speaker 1: think that they're trying to be the new Globes, because
Speaker 1: the globes are like not existing, not existing anymore. And
Speaker 1: I think if they're trying to be the award show
Speaker 1: that gets everyone there, fuck upshed, mission a percent accomplished.
Speaker 1: I lost faculties on the night to the point where
Speaker 1: this weed that we were handed by this absolute legend,
Speaker 1: legend in the making, legend already, but more people will
Speaker 1: be talking about. It's just I can't I can't explain,
Speaker 1: but the weed, I don't know what it did for you,
Speaker 1: but it was like it was like that weed we
Speaker 1: got from that other icon at the Madonna party, do
Speaker 1: you remember, very similar, and that legend gave us weed
Speaker 1: and it took us to another place. It was like
Speaker 1: you guys, you readers, know, like when you smoke weed
Speaker 1: and you're in space, but you can fill your feet
Speaker 1: on the ground. It's like an hour and a half later,
Speaker 1: I felt my feet like two on the ground and
Speaker 1: I was wearing heavy boots. So when I realized I
Speaker 1: couldn't pick my feet up anymore at PM, I was like, okay, girl,
Speaker 1: it's time to get my it's time to throw my
Speaker 1: ass and A left and didn't even say goodbye to you.
Speaker 1: Know you didn't and I don't. I don't regret you
Speaker 1: of that either. I had to go, But I actually
Speaker 1: kind of loved the timing of this day, this night
Speaker 1: because the show starts at the awards start at four
Speaker 1: pm Pacific. By ten pm, you're done, you're absolutely cook.
Speaker 1: And it's actually a great time to go to bed
Speaker 1: on a Sunday like Thanksgiving dinner, like Thanksgiving dinner, and
Speaker 1: you're getting up tomorrow to go to Kohl's to go
Speaker 1: Black Friday shopping a work for I had to fully work.
Speaker 1: You had to work. I had nothing going on, but
Speaker 1: it was It's just it's nice to tell you we
Speaker 1: had a fun fucking evening despite your loss. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I was not expecting anything, truly, truly, truly and you
Speaker 1: know who we met and connected with, and it's she's
Speaker 1: going to be a future guest. Oh my god, the
Speaker 1: one and only Josie Tode, Josie Tode, who is just
Speaker 1: absolutely resplendent in person, a superstar. And we're in talks
Speaker 1: with Camp Josie to get her in this fucking room
Speaker 1: so we can all sort of, you know, verbally tickle
Speaker 1: each other as it were. Oh my god, that is
Speaker 1: exactly essentially. And you are speaking as a tickler, and
Speaker 1: I'm agreeing with you as a person who hates getting tickled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we can both be excited for the tickle fest
Speaker 1: that will be Josie being on the pod. It has
Speaker 1: to be in person, I'm sorry. And if it doesn't
Speaker 1: work out that way then that's fine too. But I
Speaker 1: would love for it to be in person. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would love that too. But Josie, um verbal tickling is perfect.
Speaker 1: She's gonna come in here. All of our little digits
Speaker 1: are gonna be out just like a very naturally funny person. Funny.
Speaker 1: I loved her and it was just fun. And also,
Speaker 1: you know, it is so much culture was happening in
Speaker 1: that very moment. In fact, I think we have to
Speaker 1: discuss some things that happened, so you couldn't tell if
Speaker 1: the Netflix after a party that this had happened. But
Speaker 1: Jane can't be in While accepting the Best Director award
Speaker 1: at the Critics Choice Awards, said Venus and Serena, you
Speaker 1: don't have to play with the men like I do.
Speaker 1: No reason for her to say that, no real reason
Speaker 1: for this to be said, kind of a really really
Speaker 1: kind of deranged thing to say, I would sort of deranged.
Speaker 1: And now you sort of see the winds turning away
Speaker 1: from Power of the Dog and towards Code. But but
Speaker 1: voting is closed for the Oscars. I don't think it is.
Speaker 1: I think there's still some time left for the Oscars.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know if if there's any
Speaker 1: way she loses the Best Director Oscar. And it's just
Speaker 1: such a shame because it's such a slam dunk, like
Speaker 1: she so deserves that bone and I both stam Power
Speaker 1: of the Dog. But you're saying like, if she wins,
Speaker 1: it won't be this victory lap moment for her on
Speaker 1: on Oscar Sunday. It'll be like, Okay, there goes Jane. Well,
Speaker 1: she did put out a good apology, Yes, I think
Speaker 1: she did, and um, it was funny because it happened.
Speaker 1: This is you know, the devil works quick because this
Speaker 1: is the same weekend where she responded to all those
Speaker 1: did you see the common that Sam Elliott made about
Speaker 1: the power of the dog. So I literally was talking
Speaker 1: to Mark Malkin on the red carpet and I said,
Speaker 1: I was wasted. There's video of this. I want to
Speaker 1: look us up, but I'm I'm talking to Mark and
Speaker 1: I'm going thank you for like asking like like like
Speaker 1: that moment is like, you know, we're talking about this
Speaker 1: Jane Campion moment. He was like all I did was
Speaker 1: asking her the question and then we talked about her.
Speaker 1: Marcus Marcus a slay and looking good. He's looking good.
Speaker 1: He's a slay. And also I want to shout out
Speaker 1: Mark because Mark also really supported three months. Mark really
Speaker 1: supported three months and he's so excited for Fire Island.
Speaker 1: He couldn't He would not stop talking to me about
Speaker 1: how's excited is Maybe Mark should come on the part.
Speaker 1: I would love for Mark to come on the Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be a fun idea. Oh my god, he
Speaker 1: would be he would have so much to say. I
Speaker 1: think that we would have a lot to say because
Speaker 1: Marcus an icon and let's let's let's let's just bookmark that.
Speaker 1: Let's put a pin in that and say you were
Speaker 1: just so you asked, you told him question. We just
Speaker 1: talked about that moment and and you know, I just said,
Speaker 1: like what a great moment that was, and like, what
Speaker 1: a great line. He's not a cowboy, He's an actor.
Speaker 1: So for those of you readers out there that don't
Speaker 1: know what we're discussing, basically, Sam Elliott, like unprompted a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, came out with this, Like he
Speaker 1: was interviewed and he was asked about Power of the Dog.
Speaker 1: And I suppose, you know, because Sam Elliott is synonymous
Speaker 1: with the Western genre or is that gives the type
Speaker 1: of vibe he gives as an actor, he felt entitled
Speaker 1: to say what he said, which was basically, why would
Speaker 1: they shoot this western in New Zealand? What does she
Speaker 1: know about Western's, etcetera sort of dragging the hell out
Speaker 1: of Power of the Dog, saying some you know, not
Speaker 1: so thinly veiled homophobic things about how there was a
Speaker 1: lot of gay ship in the movie, and um, you know,
Speaker 1: ultimately just kind of dragging power of the dog and
Speaker 1: being like calling it a piece of ship and stuff. So,
Speaker 1: Mark Malkin, if you don't know exactly who he is,
Speaker 1: you have seen him. He's sort of been like a
Speaker 1: fixture in pop culture and in media for quite a
Speaker 1: long time. Asked Jane Campion a out it, and Jane
Speaker 1: Campion basically said, in not exactly these words, but she
Speaker 1: basically said, well, I think he was being a little
Speaker 1: b I T C H. And I have news for him.
Speaker 1: He's not a cowboy. He's an actor. And also it
Speaker 1: felt a little sexist to me, and like basically saying
Speaker 1: like artists and creators, like she was fully entitled to
Speaker 1: make this movie and shoot it whatever she wanted to,
Speaker 1: and it's actually an incredibly beautiful film and it's well done,
Speaker 1: and it's I mean, he wishes he were he were
Speaker 1: in it. So then she goes like super viral in
Speaker 1: a positive way for that comment for like twenty four hours,
Speaker 1: maybe less than that. Yeah, So then she wins the
Speaker 1: Best Director Award. Were you in the room for that?
Speaker 1: Because I was off looking for my phone, neither of
Speaker 1: us in the room. I was not in the room
Speaker 1: for that, And if I was, I was plastered. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think had she said it and we've been in
Speaker 1: the room, we would have reacted. So I know for
Speaker 1: a fact because after you lost me kind of like
Speaker 1: I was like, let's go drink, which is the beauty
Speaker 1: of that kind of which is like like the I
Speaker 1: mean that was kind of like all right, well, well
Speaker 1: we had wine at the Emmys. But um, but like
Speaker 1: I always appreciate like some access to some coping thing,
Speaker 1: and yes, I was not. I was pretty checked out there.
Speaker 1: And that's also what's good about like the categories that
Speaker 1: like you're in like earlier early bitch supporting in a
Speaker 1: comedy that's like first or second, and so you find
Speaker 1: out your faith and then you're you're yes, So then
Speaker 1: we're off getting wasted. Apparently she says this thing and
Speaker 1: goes bad viral on Twitter, Like within twenty four hours,
Speaker 1: it was up, it was down, it was all around
Speaker 1: Live Houston. We love them, Jasmine Saboy Brown, absolute slay.
Speaker 1: We were we were vibing with the cast of Yellow Jackets.
Speaker 1: And then again, this is the thing that we will admit,
Speaker 1: we were very and they listened to the podcast and
Speaker 1: we were very uprom with them. We were like we
Speaker 1: still haven't seen it. We're so sorry, and they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: we don't fucking care. Yeah. But you know what though,
Speaker 1: and I do want to shout out Melanie Lynsky Melanie,
Speaker 1: because it's because congrats, it's it's giving overdue, it's it's
Speaker 1: giving character actress gets hers in a way that I'm
Speaker 1: obsessed with. She also gave an iconic speech. I was
Speaker 1: just so because I always, like, all the time people
Speaker 1: come up to me and say I don't want justin now.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, you know, I'm like, Okay, that's fine,
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't really affect anything about this interaction. But
Speaker 1: like I think, and I find it sort of nice
Speaker 1: when people don't let that sort of totally change the conversation.
Speaker 1: I feel ashamed as a Showtime girl that I have
Speaker 1: not watched this show. But I'm I literally like, should
Speaker 1: be watching it totally. It's like it freaks me out
Speaker 1: a little bit. But Melanie Lynskey won Best Actress in
Speaker 1: a Drama Series and her speech was absolutely amazing and
Speaker 1: it was this, I really wasn't expecting this. I'm going
Speaker 1: to be really bad um at the speech. Um. There's
Speaker 1: so many amazing women in this category. I can't believe it.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm mentioned alongside you. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: the beautiful cast of our show I have. They're the
Speaker 1: most talented group of people I've ever had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to work with. Sophie in the least, you did about
Speaker 1: seven percent of the work for me playing young Shawna.
Speaker 1: You're a miracle and I love you. You're all amazing.
Speaker 1: All my wonderful friends who I got to work alongside.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Um. I feel like I'm the faint, but
Speaker 1: I hope I don't. UM. Ashley and Barton, Jonathan and Karen,
Speaker 1: thank you for giving me this opportunity. UM. Thank you
Speaker 1: for letting me be exactly as I am, not asking
Speaker 1: me to change anything or do anything different. UM. It
Speaker 1: means a lot. It's meaningful. UM gosh, thank you Showtime
Speaker 1: and E one. I have the greatest agent in the world,
Speaker 1: Runda Price. She believes in me. She's made about zero
Speaker 1: dollars from me for a long time now. So thank
Speaker 1: you for encouraging me to make good choices. UM. Sorry, sorry, Rhonda.
Speaker 1: UM please yes, exactly, yes, I know I'm forgetting everything.
Speaker 1: My husband Jason, the love of my life, the greatest support,
Speaker 1: our daughter, Kay Katya. I love you both so much.
Speaker 1: The most important person I think I have to thank
Speaker 1: and then I'm finished. As my nanny's Sally. I love her.
Speaker 1: She's she's an absolute angel. She allows she's with my child,
Speaker 1: and my child is safe and taken care of, and
Speaker 1: she allows me to go and do my work and
Speaker 1: she's just thank you, Sally. I love you so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay the goad that that's her voice, that's
Speaker 1: her kiwis it is give, it is Kiwi boots kiot.
Speaker 1: And she's been in everything from like Sweet Home Outlabama
Speaker 1: where she did that accent, and like everything in her
Speaker 1: entire career. She's not handed that part over at all.
Speaker 1: It's really wild and like just what a what a
Speaker 1: resume on her. I mean truly someone that has been
Speaker 1: in so many different kinds of things, and it's like
Speaker 1: it's like someone who's like reliably always good and fitting
Speaker 1: in perfectly, like you know, even just this year and um,
Speaker 1: don't look up. She was great. She was Leo's wife.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she was amazing. And this is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, this is why I love when this type
Speaker 1: of person, this type of actor gets shot. Is because
Speaker 1: you're not like, oh yeah, I don't know. It's just
Speaker 1: this thing of like a true character actor that plays
Speaker 1: the roles and it's reliably good and you remember her
Speaker 1: from the movie, but you're not you don't feel like
Speaker 1: I don't think she's ever like came in and like
Speaker 1: ever chewed scenery or done too much. You know, she's
Speaker 1: just reliable good, does her fucking job. I think we
Speaker 1: say it's like Kirston vibe. It's like Kirston vibes without
Speaker 1: only kind of fully keys into it. Doesn't like exactly,
Speaker 1: it doesn't like I don't know, like rock the Boat
Speaker 1: or anything or you know, not which sounds wrong, but
Speaker 1: you know what, you know what I mean, and I
Speaker 1: do know what I guess. What I'm saying is like
Speaker 1: it's a truly under the radar presence and actually it's
Speaker 1: you know, her breakout was Kay wins Let's break Out
Speaker 1: with Heavenly Creatures, which is directed by Peter Jackson. I
Speaker 1: believe this is way back in so this is someone
Speaker 1: who's been around for an extremely long time and I
Speaker 1: was cheerleader. It's crazy, yes, like such a vast array
Speaker 1: of projects and now gets this great role in yellow
Speaker 1: jackets and like wins this big award and it's just
Speaker 1: cool because you have to imagine that everyone that's ever
Speaker 1: worked with her is happy for her. And when she
Speaker 1: said that thing about thanks for asking you not to
Speaker 1: change or do anything different, you have to imagine like
Speaker 1: she someone to sit with that for her her whole career,
Speaker 1: someone who maybe hasn't fit into the box of what
Speaker 1: like you know, people want from like a leading type.
Speaker 1: I also read an interview with her one time and
Speaker 1: she said, you know, sometimes she will get scripts and
Speaker 1: be offered the lead, and she always gravitates towards like
Speaker 1: the freak supporting character, like you know, something else, and
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I just really really respect
Speaker 1: her as a performer, as an actor, and it's just
Speaker 1: nice to see a person like that get a lot
Speaker 1: of credit like that. We were saying this earlier off Mike,
Speaker 1: but like there's something really cool about critics choice, having
Speaker 1: it be shaped by the critics and having nominees be
Speaker 1: really interesting, not like myself notwithstanding, it's like do get
Speaker 1: like in my let's just go with my category, um,
Speaker 1: just because this is the one I can name off
Speaker 1: the top exactly. Harvey Harvey be in um fucking Raybord motto,
Speaker 1: like we had a had a fun, wacky category all
Speaker 1: kind of like kind of just covered all the bases,
Speaker 1: ran the gamut, and like it felt like very like
Speaker 1: much like a snapshot of like what these performances were
Speaker 1: this season, because you want to know what the critics
Speaker 1: actually do watch everything, and so you got a sense
Speaker 1: like looking around seeing everyone that was there. It was like,
Speaker 1: you know what's funny. It's like Kristin Chenowith was nominated
Speaker 1: for Who Was? She was so great in that and
Speaker 1: such a such a highlight of that show and then
Speaker 1: recognized for it, even though the show doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 1: like buzz right now in terms of awards like right now,
Speaker 1: for me, it's like I would so much rather a
Speaker 1: a group like the critics or organization or whatever whoever,
Speaker 1: Critics Choice Association all getting together to vote on this
Speaker 1: instead of like, you know, eighty four foreign journalists who
Speaker 1: can throw a good party. This actually is a good
Speaker 1: party that was thrown in. It's a fun show, but
Speaker 1: also at the same time it it's like a cultivated
Speaker 1: list of performers, like for example, fucking Josie Tote deserves
Speaker 1: to be nominated, and I think, I mean, I remember
Speaker 1: the first season I Saved by the Bell I I
Speaker 1: was on the nominating committee for Sagen. I wrote her name.
Speaker 1: She just deserves if you're going to talk about supporting
Speaker 1: actress in a comedy series, like, she's one of the
Speaker 1: funniest ones. She's like, she's giving you like young Jenner
Speaker 1: Morone on that Tracy Wigfield show, like with the thirty
Speaker 1: rock DNA in it. Yes, like and also I will
Speaker 1: say this is just like whatever, like a little a
Speaker 1: little esoteric, a little whatever. Um, I'm so tired, but
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm gonna keep saying it, which is one
Speaker 1: of the most interesting things people can say. It's u
Speaker 1: of culture number forty. One of the most interesting things
Speaker 1: people can say is I'm tired. I'm so tired, so tired.
Speaker 1: But the thing about the lovely thing about critics choice
Speaker 1: being a nominee was having a lot of critics come
Speaker 1: up to me and say, it's so nice to meet you,
Speaker 1: like saying all these nice things, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is like a thing that I take for granted.
Speaker 1: You don't get that the other rewards shows where you're
Speaker 1: talking to like if it was the Golden Globes. It
Speaker 1: was like just some hfp A fucking freaks, and you're like, oh, okay, hi,
Speaker 1: it also matters what they think. That's the thing is,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know the projects that I've been in,
Speaker 1: because I've been in projects and I don't know how
Speaker 1: you feel, but like, I've been in projects that were
Speaker 1: both really well received and then really badly received, at
Speaker 1: least initially by critics. Which is so funny because Q
Speaker 1: Force was nominated for Animated Series and it was not
Speaker 1: well received by the critics at first, but I genuinely
Speaker 1: think that when more people sat with it and watched it,
Speaker 1: they liked it more. But it actually really matters because
Speaker 1: nowadays there's so much ship you can watch, and so
Speaker 1: when something gets like panned, you know, it moves down
Speaker 1: your list, like and then you're not motivated to watch it.
Speaker 1: Exactly as a viewer, I'm like, well, I guess I'm
Speaker 1: not going to check that out because it seems like
Speaker 1: the critics say they don't like this, which is helpful,
Speaker 1: and also whatever, it's like it's complicated. But it's like
Speaker 1: I was about to say, much like alphabez, being a
Speaker 1: critic is like going to war. Being a critic is
Speaker 1: going to have to watch a million but they enjoy it.
Speaker 1: They enjoy it, but to form to like really like
Speaker 1: scope out and like be like this is what I
Speaker 1: think the journalistic take on the show is is hard.
Speaker 1: It's like very difficult. I also wonder how easy it
Speaker 1: is to take personal taste out of it, Like I
Speaker 1: think that some people who review things like you get
Speaker 1: a sense that they feel maybe because they've been doing
Speaker 1: it for a while, or their personal taste does inform
Speaker 1: their critical I that they feel very comfortable bringing like
Speaker 1: their personal taste to it. Like for example, someone like
Speaker 1: I don't know what he doesn't do it anymore, but
Speaker 1: like Ben Brantley, it's like he was kind of the
Speaker 1: only critic in theater that really matters, which is kind
Speaker 1: of crazy because then you have to really cater to
Speaker 1: And I'm sure he's great at what he does, and
Speaker 1: he is great at what he does, but really one
Speaker 1: person who by being a human being, is subjective, whereas
Speaker 1: like it is shaping like the way that people consume
Speaker 1: like a whole sector in a major way. I mean,
Speaker 1: he could he could open our closed shows like he
Speaker 1: could he could close a show with a bad review,
Speaker 1: and um, it's really interesting and also to to know
Speaker 1: what types of this is another thing that people don't
Speaker 1: really think about, is you know, back in the day,
Speaker 1: like anyway, when the critics as a as a whole,
Speaker 1: we're really mostly older and white and men. It's like
Speaker 1: that informs the consensus on a project. So that's why,
Speaker 1: you know, romantic comedies were taken less seriously and by
Speaker 1: and large, and female driven things were taken less seriously
Speaker 1: by and large, or like you know, why certain people
Speaker 1: were anointed by critics and others were not, Like it
Speaker 1: really has to do with the critical body. And so
Speaker 1: that is another thing that we have to be talking
Speaker 1: about in terms of diversity and representation. Oh it's the
Speaker 1: reason why we say things on this show like L
Speaker 1: O L like Clueless would have been nominated or Mean
Speaker 1: Girls would have been nominated, Like you know, you would
Speaker 1: have had Rachel like Adams be nominated where if it
Speaker 1: came out now or things like that, because sensibilities back
Speaker 1: then we're largely defined and shaped by the critical voices.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes when like queer reviewers look at a
Speaker 1: queer project, I wonder if they're harder on that project
Speaker 1: because they're looking at it through the lens of a
Speaker 1: queer eye. Not to say that that's that shouldn't happen,
Speaker 1: but but just you know, it's interesting the way certain
Speaker 1: things get funneled through this landscape that is the critical process. Um,
Speaker 1: and it's just interesting and so and something I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed about the night the other night. And I think
Speaker 1: it might speak to the fact that like maybe now
Speaker 1: and only now are the Critics Organization, Is that Critics
Speaker 1: Choice Organization, our association ready to have a big show
Speaker 1: like this is because there was so much diversity in
Speaker 1: the nominees, because there really was there really was there
Speaker 1: truly was. And yeah, I don't know, I just um,
Speaker 1: I felt really lucky to be there. Truly was an
Speaker 1: honor just to be nominated. It was a really cool
Speaker 1: show to go. Yeah, it was great. It was fun.
Speaker 1: And also so I mean, we were there, and so
Speaker 1: half the show was happening in London and half the
Speaker 1: show was happening there, and so we we were we
Speaker 1: was was Troy Cutzer at that show? Troy Cutzer, who
Speaker 1: was he is the supporting actor who's winning everything for Koda. Oh,
Speaker 1: he was in. I think he wasn't no, he was
Speaker 1: in London because he had won the Bathta So the
Speaker 1: Bathtus were the same day as the Critics Choice Awards,
Speaker 1: so they were truly doing like six to eight hours
Speaker 1: of awards shows over there, which is insane knowing that
Speaker 1: we did not eat the whole time. I hope they
Speaker 1: fed them. But like, um, it's also really nice, like
Speaker 1: lately to see the the diversity conversation now of um
Speaker 1: accompany deaf people, Like that's something I've been really enjoying about,
Speaker 1: like codas And I don't think for me personally, I
Speaker 1: I hope that Power of the Dog wins Best Picture.
Speaker 1: I think it's the best film of the year. But
Speaker 1: it's something that's nice, is like at least people's eyes
Speaker 1: are being opened, and now to the fact that this
Speaker 1: is a very underserved community in media. Very um. We
Speaker 1: talked about this and we still haven't seen it. Um,
Speaker 1: I will before before Sunday. Yeah, I mean I remember
Speaker 1: I turned around and saw Marley Mallin at the awards
Speaker 1: we got. I mean, she's an absolutely beautiful person, but
Speaker 1: then she was talking to Molly Shannon and I was like,
Speaker 1: there's a similar vibe here these two, these two women
Speaker 1: with like similar faces, similar stature, you know what it
Speaker 1: is like Marley obviously communicates with her the whole body,
Speaker 1: and Molly No, but I think they look alike, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got to introduce Bowen and Molly Shannon and that
Speaker 1: was like a moment of my larious. I fucking love
Speaker 1: that woman, and I am obsessed for everyone to see
Speaker 1: the show. I can't wait. Oh, let's talk about the
Speaker 1: trailer for I love that for you the Star. No, honestly, Vanessa,
Speaker 1: I just Molly and Matt Rodgers well and say, say
Speaker 1: it's Jennifer Lewis, Jennifer will I will say it was
Speaker 1: the first time I had seen sort of what the
Speaker 1: show is gonna look like, because it's so funny, because
Speaker 1: I think with almost everything I've done, I've been in
Speaker 1: some way creatively involved or at least, like, you know,
Speaker 1: gotten to peek behind the curtain a little bit. With this,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of just like going out there, hitting my
Speaker 1: mark and getting the funk out. So this is my
Speaker 1: first time I've seen what the show is gonna look like,
Speaker 1: and it made me excited, really feeling. Boe goes to me,
Speaker 1: You're like in the trailer, I'm like, yeah, girl. I'm
Speaker 1: like in the show she's miss Button. You are serving
Speaker 1: the button button on a platter. I think everyone's gonna
Speaker 1: like the show. You guys, April twenty nine, it's streaming,
Speaker 1: it's streaming. I can't wait. By then you will have
Speaker 1: to be a network sister with the Yellow Jackets cru
Speaker 1: see see. And this is the thing. It's like on
Speaker 1: on a on a basis of entertainment, Like I would
Speaker 1: love yellow Jackets, but people have, people who love gore
Speaker 1: and love horror have told me like this is not
Speaker 1: for you, mama, like turn away. It was making me queasy.
Speaker 1: So I want to watch it desperately, but like I
Speaker 1: have to be in their headspace. This is so boring.
Speaker 1: Do the thing where you just close your eyes literally, Queen,
Speaker 1: I know. And we were just talking about this on
Speaker 1: the way here. Well, first of all, let'st's keep talking
Speaker 1: about I love that for you, but I just we
Speaker 1: were we were all said, we were staying in the
Speaker 1: car and me and Joel got brunched today with jmum
Speaker 1: really talking about how like Showtime is going to be
Speaker 1: that girl popping off. It's gonna pop off. Um. The
Speaker 1: first Lady's Show looks awesome. I just found out about
Speaker 1: this today. Yes, so it's Viola Davis has Michelle Obama,
Speaker 1: Michelle Peiffer as Betty Ford, and Gillian Anderson as Eleanor Roosevelt.
Speaker 1: And I don't exactly know how they're going to roll
Speaker 1: it out, but it's a limited series and it's about
Speaker 1: the three of them, and obviously they don't interact, but um,
Speaker 1: it's going to I guess it's like a nonlinear type thing,
Speaker 1: but um, it looks great. And when I heard Viola
Speaker 1: Davis Michelle Obama, I think some part of me was
Speaker 1: just like, oh, like is that like a little first thought?
Speaker 1: And then I saw the photo of her and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I'm so freaking excited. It
Speaker 1: was so impastiful. Joel showed me that that promo image
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, you should see the trailer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't even Yeah, it's great. And the thing someone said, like, well,
Speaker 1: what about Michelle Obama is like dramatically someone said someone
Speaker 1: did toss this off and it's I'm not dragging that person,
Speaker 1: but they were like, what about Michelle Obama? It is
Speaker 1: like dramatically compelling, Like what what was the controversy during
Speaker 1: the Obama years, and I'm saying, like the fact that
Speaker 1: there was no controversy really during the Obama years, and
Speaker 1: the fact that she kept so composed and had to
Speaker 1: be an image of perfection that we had never seen
Speaker 1: before from a first lady simply because of her race
Speaker 1: and because she was now a prototype and a role
Speaker 1: model for the rest of time. That is the dramatically
Speaker 1: compelling element, because you know, she had ups and downs emotionally.
Speaker 1: You know, that presidency ended in a harrowing So that's
Speaker 1: where it is. That's where it lies. And I mean
Speaker 1: you could do a whole fucking season of a show
Speaker 1: based on like that, like a moment where like the
Speaker 1: Trump's show up to the White House, it's like that's
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, I mean there's plenty there. There's plenty there.
Speaker 1: And then I guess, you know, I'm I'm a flop,
Speaker 1: but I never read Becoming, but I feel like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, just pull from that. There's plenty of stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, I saw the Netflix series. And also she's
Speaker 1: been pretty open about the fact that that was health
Speaker 1: for her, like absolute health for her and Lady No,
Speaker 1: like the transition, transition that they had to go through
Speaker 1: with that in a dignified way, despite the fact that
Speaker 1: they were, you know, handing it over to clown dot
Speaker 1: com and um, I think that that had she acted
Speaker 1: any differently, people would have been all over it. And
Speaker 1: people still found a way. I remember getting into like
Speaker 1: a Facebook argument with like a high school teacher I
Speaker 1: had about how, you know, she was wrong for calling
Speaker 1: out Trump or that she was like making it quote
Speaker 1: unquote about race about something, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: you gotta be fucking kidding me, I was like, and
Speaker 1: that just goes to show how people were primed to
Speaker 1: try to destroy her. So she had to be everything
Speaker 1: and more and there is a lot to play there
Speaker 1: dramatically one percent one um and Viola will be She'll
Speaker 1: be amazing. And also because Viola is that power, that stoicism,
Speaker 1: but there is that passion. And the thing that I
Speaker 1: think about Viola Davis is acting, is there is such
Speaker 1: a there's always yes, it's at August Wilson thing of
Speaker 1: like it's just it's just like it's so it vibrates
Speaker 1: in her. It's like we we remember doubt, you know,
Speaker 1: which was really her first big emergence onto the scene
Speaker 1: in her first Oscar nomination, and she's got that scene
Speaker 1: with Meryl Streep where Meryl Streep is confronting her because
Speaker 1: she well, she's informing her that her son is in
Speaker 1: a relationship with Philip semour Hoffmann, the priest that may
Speaker 1: be inappropriate, and Viola's job in the scene is too
Speaker 1: basically try to tell Meryl Streep it's not a big deal,
Speaker 1: and she's not interested in making a thing of it
Speaker 1: because you know, if her husband were to find out,
Speaker 1: he would kill her his son. And you know what's
Speaker 1: so bad about this, you know, man taking care of
Speaker 1: her son and Meryl Streep is not able to understand it.
Speaker 1: And Viola is so genius in that scene because she
Speaker 1: is maintaining a composure when inside it is so complicated
Speaker 1: and she does know her son is being taken advantage of,
Speaker 1: and she does have a deep understanding that this is wrong,
Speaker 1: and she is confused about her son's nature, and you know,
Speaker 1: there's just so much there and when she sort of
Speaker 1: blows and gets emotional, it's it's it's really sort of
Speaker 1: a special moment in acting because she's been holding it
Speaker 1: back and there's that tension and that repression that is
Speaker 1: not easy to do. No. Um, I'm excited. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled between First Ladies, First Lady, Fir First Lady,
Speaker 1: the First Ladies, that Yellow Jackets, I love that for you, Amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1: All I can tell you is that I sometimes find
Speaker 1: myself in a room with Vanessa Bayer, Molly Shannon, and
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lewis fucking firing off, and I'm like, I think
Speaker 1: I'm the luckiest person in that's so nice, man. I
Speaker 1: am like, I just like, I couldn't be more excited
Speaker 1: for everyone to see it. But I know the headline
Speaker 1: will be that, like, come on, it's like Matt Rogers,
Speaker 1: Like everyone's gonna be like, oh, oh my god, well
Speaker 1: you're nice. Well we'll wait to see it first. I
Speaker 1: have no fears, I have no doubts. I'm like, like
Speaker 1: everyone internally is saying how great you are in it.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I'm over here just like on the
Speaker 1: edge of my seat. I can't wait to watch. And um,
Speaker 1: even from the trailer, just like seeing you act opposite
Speaker 1: Jennifer is incredible. And then Jennifer is giving you something
Speaker 1: that you we haven't really seen as an audience either.
Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing about Jennifer Is she vibe wise
Speaker 1: is exactly what you think, Like she is that larger
Speaker 1: than life personality. She is incredible. Like if you don't
Speaker 1: if you haven't read her book The Mother of Black Hollywood,
Speaker 1: you definitely have to or better yet, listen to it
Speaker 1: on audiobooks. And she's made of stories. I am so
Speaker 1: like enriched by my interactions with her in terms of
Speaker 1: like the stories that she tells, but also like you know,
Speaker 1: when she tosses it away, she has such power. It's
Speaker 1: really interesting too, even just from the trailer, just being like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's really kind of playing it at a different frequency
Speaker 1: than what I've seen her do. And it's really it's
Speaker 1: like it's like, oh, this is so great. This is
Speaker 1: a new novel thing that we're getting from someone who's
Speaker 1: been working in the industry for decades. It's an amazing
Speaker 1: role for her, and um, I'm really excited for people
Speaker 1: to see what they gave her and how it all unfold.
Speaker 1: But you know, so many things are coming out in April,
Speaker 1: like Barry is coming back, like Hacks is coming back,
Speaker 1: or April and May. Yeah, but are you watching Atlanta?
Speaker 1: I can't wait for Atlanta? Is coming back, like I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: I mean everything. It's almost like everything is coming out
Speaker 1: again because I feel like we're seeing what happened when
Speaker 1: everyone got comfortable with COVID again. You know what it's
Speaker 1: like last year there was not that much. This year,
Speaker 1: it's like a fleet of shows that are coming out.
Speaker 1: Let's just be real towards the end of the Emmy
Speaker 1: deadline and um, it's like all happening at once, And like,
Speaker 1: I think that we're going to be hashtag eating in
Speaker 1: April and May in terms of new shows, new content,
Speaker 1: things coming out. I'm really interested to watch this. We
Speaker 1: work We crashed with Jared Letto and Anne Hathaway. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: although I guess and uh we we love Anne. It's
Speaker 1: funny that one of her I think she only said
Speaker 1: it once interpressed and in the press that she's done.
Speaker 1: But she's like, I still haven't technically met Jared Letto
Speaker 1: because he was encountering I don't know how I would
Speaker 1: be able to handle if I guess you'd have to.
Speaker 1: I don't foresee myself ever working with him, so I
Speaker 1: will never know, but you never know. But I'm also
Speaker 1: I'm always like I'm not going to be like, I
Speaker 1: just want to be like, can we I would talk
Speaker 1: to a publicist, a literal publicist, and be like, maybe
Speaker 1: we don't talk about Jared in this because I don't
Speaker 1: know how to talk about him in a way that
Speaker 1: is not like deeply uncomfortable to everybody. To me as
Speaker 1: as a person, being like, oh, yeah, Jared was Jared
Speaker 1: was was peculiar. And then to have people be like, oh,
Speaker 1: what did Jared do? Like how is Jared on this set?
Speaker 1: You know, maybe we cut this out? Well, he was there.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's so funny too, because like we
Speaker 1: were sitting You're sitting there at the table, and I
Speaker 1: was looking around and I was like bowing. I just
Speaker 1: literally like saw like three people that we've dragged on
Speaker 1: this podcast. Shut up? Um god, what else? Crash fucking
Speaker 1: bops on bops? She has said in interviews or she's
Speaker 1: tweeted like I want to have my big pop girl moment,
Speaker 1: And I think this is this is kind of the
Speaker 1: first genuine attempt at that since Sucker, since her second album.
Speaker 1: So okay, So this is so in terms of the chronology,
Speaker 1: this is this. This is what I find remarkable as
Speaker 1: as the sort of last album in her contract with Atlantic.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just a beautiful retrospective and it's
Speaker 1: also very forward thinking in terms of like pop music
Speaker 1: in general and her career. Like I I just think
Speaker 1: she's she's a genius. Yeah, I mean, she's unbelievable, unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I guess my thing is just like it's not that
Speaker 1: she's finally now making because I noticed a big article
Speaker 1: where she was just like she was the pull quote
Speaker 1: was I love selling out. And I'm like, oh, when
Speaker 1: I listen to this album, it must be like super
Speaker 1: bubble gummy or whatever. And it really just sounds like
Speaker 1: I understand where those references are, but it sounds like
Speaker 1: Charlie xc X, Like it feels like just another great
Speaker 1: Charlie xc X album. And my thing is like, if
Speaker 1: people think, like all of a sudden, she's quote unquote
Speaker 1: selling out or this is like now now a pop record,
Speaker 1: maybe they just weren't listening close enough before because she's
Speaker 1: incredible music for years. I think this is a newer okay,
Speaker 1: so true romances, Like it's her first album. She was
Speaker 1: like a zygote um super ethereal kind of ambient pop
Speaker 1: sucker is like, you know, boom clap, like gold coins
Speaker 1: like that, like you know that that is true bubblegum
Speaker 1: all the way through, right, Okay, So that's like then
Speaker 1: Charlie and then Charlie, which is like the first popped
Speaker 1: two into Charlie, which was like her full like hyper pop,
Speaker 1: like working with Sophie, working with a G. Cook, like
Speaker 1: we're like like PC music, like you know, like that's
Speaker 1: like super experimental. Charlie was super experimental into How I'm
Speaker 1: Feeling Now, which was like extremely extremely or yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean or just like kind of super introspective, the most
Speaker 1: introspective thing. And then I think she wanted to break.
Speaker 1: I think it's really great genius play, holistic play to go,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna end this contract that she's kind of you know,
Speaker 1: gone on record and saying that it's been very tough
Speaker 1: for her, tumultuous, tumultuous. They've delayed her releases, they've like
Speaker 1: prolonged the sort of window of the contract by pushing
Speaker 1: her album. And I think there's someone they're leaking her ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's someone there. Someone call is coming from inside the
Speaker 1: house there, because it's just ridiculous what happens to her. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's awful, and like, I think she's had a
Speaker 1: lot to say sort of in a very um diplomatic
Speaker 1: way or not so diplomatic, it doesn't really matter, But
Speaker 1: I think she sees from all sides how the industry
Speaker 1: treats women like she's in terms of her being a
Speaker 1: songwriter for other pop stars, in terms of in terms
Speaker 1: of her crafting her own career, like she's seen the darkness,
Speaker 1: and I think this album crashes her trying to like right,
Speaker 1: some draw some huge middle finger to like the label
Speaker 1: while still sort of like I don't know, tipping her
Speaker 1: hat to like what they've done for her her whole
Speaker 1: career so far with them, and so like, um, you
Speaker 1: know crash like that that that the first track. It's like, um,
Speaker 1: I'm about to end it also legendary, like there's something
Speaker 1: like really something really dangerous about this, And I think
Speaker 1: she's like talked about how this album is very like
Speaker 1: eighties inspired, like there's a lot of Janet influences. There's
Speaker 1: why her in the nineties house. Um, it's not like
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, which is that it's not
Speaker 1: this like revolutionary record necessarily not not. I didn't say that.
Speaker 1: I said, it's not this new. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Um,
Speaker 1: I just think it's a very I truly think we'll
Speaker 1: look back on this album ten years from now and
Speaker 1: be like god, wow crash in a moment. I feel
Speaker 1: like she this is her first album. I think her
Speaker 1: first album. I'm gonna say her first album on the label,
Speaker 1: her first album so far in her career where everyone's
Speaker 1: been able to like talk about it. At the same time,
Speaker 1: it's somewhat in the monoculture. Also, the first time she's
Speaker 1: doing like super mainstream press, like she was on the
Speaker 1: Tonight Show, she was on SNL, like she never did that.
Speaker 1: She did, Yeah, she did SNL once. I think it
Speaker 1: was for Sucker. I think it was for but um she.
Speaker 1: I think she just like really wanted to go all
Speaker 1: out before she moves on and and I think I
Speaker 1: really love it. I've been listening to Yuck and Every Rule,
Speaker 1: Every Rule is the Ballot Is. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I love the ballad on this album. Yeah, like and
Speaker 1: one of my favorite songs she's ever done as about,
Speaker 1: which is I don't want to know. Yes, I love
Speaker 1: I don't want to know. When I saw her on tour,
Speaker 1: like for the Charlie album she did I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, and the lighting design was just like amazing.
Speaker 1: She's a great live performance. And we also saw her
Speaker 1: with Taylor. Oh my god, what she opened for Taylor
Speaker 1: for reputation. I wasn't there. Oh you weren't there. So
Speaker 1: she was on. She Camila and Taylor and then y'all
Speaker 1: did shake it off together. It was really great. When
Speaker 1: we saw a night it was Haim, which was also
Speaker 1: very cool. Great. Um but yeah, Crash is wonderful. Moto
Speaker 1: Mommy Rosalia perfect. Hailey Winter has released her album too.
Speaker 1: It's called what's called hold On New Music by Muna Muna.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't wait for that one. That
Speaker 1: album coming out in June. Um wait, what is this
Speaker 1: Haley them hold On? Let me see Haley Winters. It's
Speaker 1: called Raised Raised, you would love it. It's Maren and
Speaker 1: Casey Early, Casey Musgraves. By the way, Marion Morris has
Speaker 1: new music out too, and it's this song called background Music,
Speaker 1: which I think is the best fucking things she's ever done.
Speaker 1: What background Music? You gotta check it out. I think
Speaker 1: it's really hard for people to do throwne, for her
Speaker 1: to do throwne eighties Mercedes. That is the that is
Speaker 1: one of the best that that's going in the songbook.
Speaker 1: It's going in the songbook, which is on its way,
Speaker 1: you guys, but no, fucking you gotta listen to the
Speaker 1: song background music, like it's it's like she's ascended to
Speaker 1: another level as a as a songwriter. Like it's so
Speaker 1: it's so specifically about her husband, um and basically it's
Speaker 1: a song about how they they get to be so
Speaker 1: lucky because they get to be creating the music that
Speaker 1: people dance to what in the background, And it's just
Speaker 1: it's a narrative. It's she has one lyric. It's like
Speaker 1: not every and he gets to something but I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's it's she's just so fucking good and she's such
Speaker 1: a good sing like it's just crazy. She's so evocative
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll just like, if you want to hear how
Speaker 1: to sing a pop song, listen to the middle, bitch.
Speaker 1: The middle is how you execute pop vocals and you're
Speaker 1: talking about a country singer, and she does, but she
Speaker 1: gives you the full range of like just at the
Speaker 1: end of the second verse when she goes, oh no,
Speaker 1: we got all an intention she throws it away. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, girl, you're absolutely it and like just her
Speaker 1: riffs at the end of the song, just like why
Speaker 1: don't you just be me in the middle baby, like
Speaker 1: where she finds that like like lying, I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, her ear ear, she's got it. We Marion
Speaker 1: in this house. Maren, You're welcome to consciously no. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing. You talk. We don't talk. We have
Speaker 1: we have corresponded into a couple of times talking, and
Speaker 1: I always like I literally will get my phone out
Speaker 1: and I'll get my instant messages out and I literally
Speaker 1: will will like half type in like hey, I have
Speaker 1: a podcast with a Bowen Yang and we would love
Speaker 1: to have you. And I always deleted because I get scared.
Speaker 1: But what do I have to lose? I don't saying no,
Speaker 1: like Matt. I don't want your nerves to get in
Speaker 1: the way of like having Maren on the plot or
Speaker 1: just anything. I don't want your nerves to really deprive you.
Speaker 1: You deprive you of opportunities that should I do it
Speaker 1: right now like I did for Wendy right now, so
Speaker 1: right literal now, I'm gonna d m No, I can't
Speaker 1: do this. What what the fund is happening. I just said,
Speaker 1: you cannot let your fear get in the way. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna DM Aaron Morris, do it now. Okay. How do
Speaker 1: I say this? Well, Internet, Internet up girl, you can Okay, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm saying these excuses, Aaron. I'm saying, Maren, absolutely obsessed, Maren.
Speaker 1: This is Maren. This is the darkest shot that's ever
Speaker 1: been shot in the dark. But if you have any time,
Speaker 1: this is a shot in the damn dark. But if
Speaker 1: you have any time, let's say an hour and a
Speaker 1: half to spare at any point, say ninety minutes to
Speaker 1: spare at any point. I have a podcast with Critics
Speaker 1: Choice Awardang from SNL. Oh my god, do I not
Speaker 1: say that whatever we want? Okay with Boon Yang Um,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say it with bow and Yang and
Speaker 1: called lost Culture is thus okay, Oh my god, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: We've just surpassed one million. I'm not gonna um have
Speaker 1: a post. And since we're both obsessed with you, we
Speaker 1: promised we would. We promised we would have a very
Speaker 1: fun but in depth conversation with you about the album
Speaker 1: and your prior work or whatever you want. To talk about. Um,
Speaker 1: we strike just the right balance. Okay, no, no, no, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Maren, this is a shot in the damn dark.
Speaker 1: But if you have any time, let's say ninety minutes
Speaker 1: of spirit any point. I have a podcast with boy
Speaker 1: and called Lost, And since we're both obsessed with you,
Speaker 1: we'd feel dumb if we didn't ask you to be
Speaker 1: a guest. Um, we promised we would, we can and um,
Speaker 1: it would be so fun. I don't know, is it Housewives?
Speaker 1: Maybe this is the way to get it. Okay, and
Speaker 1: we can talk about the album Housewine, so much things
Speaker 1: about the album every Housewives. I'm gonna say l o
Speaker 1: l um, everything and anything. Um. If this is not
Speaker 1: of interest or you have no time, no hard feelings,
Speaker 1: we will be front row at the show, no hard feelings.
Speaker 1: Can't wait to see you live when you roll through. Um,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you'd better be hitting sun bitch. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, get back to me anytime. Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: send this. I'm nodding. Did you hit it? I hit it?
Speaker 1: I said that? Oh my god. Okay, okay her. In
Speaker 1: the words of Maddie from Euphoria, this is just the beginning.
Speaker 1: I can't wait if it happens, I would love for
Speaker 1: it to happen. I would love for it to happen.
Speaker 1: Publicists make it happen. Tag tag marin um. And by
Speaker 1: the way, speaking of music, guess who's on the show
Speaker 1: next week? Everybody? Oh my god, Betty, Betty absolute who?
Speaker 1: And we did say that we were going to have
Speaker 1: more musicians on and this is the thing I think
Speaker 1: we might be delivering on that going forward in a
Speaker 1: very fun way. Do we reveal the other person who's coming? No,
Speaker 1: let's wait, Okay, let's wait, let's wait. Um, Well, you
Speaker 1: know in two weeks it's also going to be miss Garcel.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we have Garcel Bove. So next week
Speaker 1: is Betty who in the week after that is sucking
Speaker 1: guard fucking sell and okay, and then I would love
Speaker 1: to reveal this go ahead, we have Katie Crutchfield coming.
Speaker 1: Wax A Hatchie self just the best person, the best person,
Speaker 1: the best vibe she believe it or not. As as
Speaker 1: a reader, I'm obsessed. And yeah, and then there's gonna
Speaker 1: be lots to talk about much tour. So she's if
Speaker 1: she's swinging by your your gotta go such a good
Speaker 1: live performer, what a what a what a great musical
Speaker 1: landscape we have out there. It's really fun right now.
Speaker 1: You were on Charlie's podcast. Yes, how is that? You know?
Speaker 1: It's I think I received the biggest compliment I've ever
Speaker 1: the best. One of the best compliments I've ever gotten
Speaker 1: was from her was from Charlie, because it's just that
Speaker 1: the premises best song ever, and she gives you a
Speaker 1: bunch of prompts ahead of time, and you're supposed to
Speaker 1: like basically make a playlist based on each of her songs,
Speaker 1: Which is the best song ever? To like, um, you know,
Speaker 1: sing in the shower something generic like that? Uh, ranging
Speaker 1: from that to one of my problems was the best
Speaker 1: song that would have been on the Icebergs album. You know,
Speaker 1: Like she's like, she's asking me like fun specific and
Speaker 1: so I gave her a bunch of you know, I
Speaker 1: wanted to say, I wanted to give like a broad
Speaker 1: range of stuff. And then what she said to me,
Speaker 1: and you can listen to this on the air on
Speaker 1: the podcast, she goes, bhen you have a really eclectic
Speaker 1: musical taste. She was like, um, you know, like my
Speaker 1: friends and I were taught. Were like looking over the
Speaker 1: list and like, we're really impressed, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I did it. I really I impressed Charlie x X
Speaker 1: on a musical level. It was really fun episode and
Speaker 1: she's so great. She's a great host, great to talk
Speaker 1: to in my episode. I think on DOA's podcast is
Speaker 1: coming out soon, which is at your Service, and she
Speaker 1: is a phenomenal podcast host. Really knows how to guide
Speaker 1: the conversation, ask you questions at the right time. Obsession
Speaker 1: she's got, I have obsession. I'm obsession. I guess. I
Speaker 1: guess I'm obsession. I guess. Oh wait, I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't talk about Do's concert on this podcast. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I wasn't so fun. So great she does like the
Speaker 1: do A dance like the mean Katie Perry, Okay, talk
Speaker 1: about it. I mean do it was phenomenal, Like I really,
Speaker 1: you really It has convinced me even more and as
Speaker 1: time goes on, I think I'll I'll believe this more
Speaker 1: more and more strongly. That album will never leave us.
Speaker 1: That album will always be like so emotional for us
Speaker 1: because it was it came out like it came out
Speaker 1: around that time late in March and like it was
Speaker 1: all we had and we hung onto it for dear life.
Speaker 1: It's the same. I told Katie this, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: her album um St Cloud came out mid March or
Speaker 1: late March two and I was like, that was like
Speaker 1: the first moment of joy I felt in Lockdown, which
Speaker 1: was like cracking open my window feeling the breeze coming
Speaker 1: because at that point I was not even going outside
Speaker 1: cracking open my window putting on her album and be
Speaker 1: like wow, I feel like I'm truly transported, and like
Speaker 1: do A's album was that, but like we will, it
Speaker 1: will not get old for me. That album will never
Speaker 1: get old for me. Well, I was saying to Bow
Speaker 1: and like my my thought on Future Nostalgia that it
Speaker 1: is actually a formative pop album for theies. I think
Speaker 1: that Nostalgia will be to what Teenage Dream was to
Speaker 1: what like Love Angel Music Baby was to the Auts.
Speaker 1: Like I think that Future Nostalgia, if you listen to
Speaker 1: it again, it's actually there's there are classics all the
Speaker 1: way through the album. Like I was thinking about the
Speaker 1: song Hallucinate and I'm like, Haucinate is a fucking bop
Speaker 1: and a half, Like obviously levitating which now is like
Speaker 1: a record holder for like the longest song on the
Speaker 1: Hot One by a female artist I believe obviously don't
Speaker 1: start now um uh fucking physical, which did not get
Speaker 1: it to do I think because, as we famously believe,
Speaker 1: the mainstream audience could smell the Academy in on it.
Speaker 1: It was too gay for America in the world. Break
Speaker 1: my Heart, I break my Heart did great. Break my
Speaker 1: Heart is also amazing, even pretty please, Like just like
Speaker 1: over and over and over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: this the album delivers. And you know, as much as
Speaker 1: I fucking stand folklore and I appreciate it, I looking
Speaker 1: back in retros would probably say the album of that
Speaker 1: year was Nostalgia. Agree, and I think deserving of the Grammy.
Speaker 1: And it did win the Pop Vocal Album I mean,
Speaker 1: and it beat Folklore in that category, so it did.
Speaker 1: It didn't go home empty handed. But like I just
Speaker 1: think in terms of how it's already feeling like it's
Speaker 1: going to hold up like future nostalgia is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Nostalgia is a fucking moment. It's a moment. It was
Speaker 1: a solidifier. It was it was like it was like
Speaker 1: pop stars dream of delivering a sophomore album like that,
Speaker 1: and I think the last time it like solidified someone
Speaker 1: in lexicon in this way was probably teenage Dreams. Like
Speaker 1: the last time a sophomore album off a pop star
Speaker 1: of a promising pop star's debut album came out and
Speaker 1: was like that, that's awesome, UM, and do a we
Speaker 1: fucking love you. UM. Talk about Katy Perry now, well,
Speaker 1: another time I blacked out. The Katy Perry show in
Speaker 1: Vegas is one you want to go see. It's a
Speaker 1: visual treat. She's on it, you guys. Her comedy was hitting,
Speaker 1: her vocals were heading. She covers I'm not kidding You.
Speaker 1: She covers the Greatest Love of All by Whitney fucking Houston.
Speaker 1: It was a swing and a home run. I am
Speaker 1: telling you, like every song delivered, I've now ever since
Speaker 1: her concert, I've listened to like, there's like a playlist
Speaker 1: on Spotify which is like Katy Perry Vegas play Residency,
Speaker 1: and I just listened to it and you're back there.
Speaker 1: She starts with ET and goes into dark Horse or
Speaker 1: ET chained to the rhythm dark Horse, and it's like
Speaker 1: eat hits so hard, And when dark Horse started, I'm
Speaker 1: like this is about to fucking slap, And then it
Speaker 1: absolutely did, because it's just so loud and everyone's raging,
Speaker 1: and everyone's it's Vegas, and everyone's drinking like incredible, like
Speaker 1: teenage dream, like you're so in it, like California Girls.
Speaker 1: She doesn't. She does do a duet to California Girls
Speaker 1: with a piece of poop and a big red toilet,
Speaker 1: and it's iconic. The piece of poop comes out of
Speaker 1: the toilet on the second verse and belts and riffed
Speaker 1: the word sex sick. Oh must say it must a lettle.
Speaker 1: It's the poop belting and riffing, and it's just it's
Speaker 1: so aggressively stupid, but so knowledgeable of how stupid it is.
Speaker 1: Also not for nothing but bon appetite. We forgot about
Speaker 1: bon appetite. We did not give bond appetite this moment.
Speaker 1: Swish swish absolutely slapped. Are you're You're about to be
Speaker 1: a witness apologist. I think I'm about to be a
Speaker 1: witness apologist. I think I might even be a witness apologist.
Speaker 1: I think those were the only two songs she did
Speaker 1: from Witness which felt right because she's just got you
Speaker 1: forget so many fucking hit songs. Change the rhythm, change
Speaker 1: the rhythm es yes, yes, yes, yes that she did
Speaker 1: perform three, but like just waking Up in Vegas, she
Speaker 1: did this like different take on it. It was really fun.
Speaker 1: Um last Friday Night was incredible, which is not one
Speaker 1: of my e's but like it was amazing. You don't
Speaker 1: think class fighting, you know what, Like it's just not
Speaker 1: what I think about. It's so perfect. Wide Awake. I
Speaker 1: absolutely loved. That's a great one while you're drunk or
Speaker 1: you're on something. I was feeling every emotion in the
Speaker 1: song Wide Awake, to the point where at the end
Speaker 1: of the concert I was in full tears holding a
Speaker 1: woman from Anchorage, Alaska, weeping crying to firework oh yeah,
Speaker 1: which was the final of course, of course, and I was,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm telling you, and I said I would be,
Speaker 1: but I could not have been more fucked up. And
Speaker 1: I was crying holding this stranger who was also crying,
Speaker 1: and she had gone through a personal tragedy, which I
Speaker 1: feel weird sharing, but she shared that with me and
Speaker 1: we broke down, and then we went to fucking what's
Speaker 1: the gay bar in Vegas? We had something likeonic gay
Speaker 1: bar in Vegas and Jasmine Kennedy was before. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it was amazing. Um, and then I cried again. True
Speaker 1: or false? Okay, my favorite type of question. Teenage Dream
Speaker 1: is Max Martin's best song. I'm about to I think
Speaker 1: I'm about to take that stand stands I'm not ready
Speaker 1: to just throw since you've been gone under the bus, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to realize. But this is that. This
Speaker 1: is the thing about Max Martin is that the breadth
Speaker 1: is so large. I'm just not ready to since you've
Speaker 1: been gone under the bus in that way. And also,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I don't care if you have a
Speaker 1: show or not. When Kelly Clarkston goes to Vegas, we
Speaker 1: are going, Um, I will I will say that I
Speaker 1: think Teenage Dream is his best song of that decade.
Speaker 1: That's fair close. Second is like a blank space. First, God,
Speaker 1: you forget that he's those songs. Jesus Christ, what a
Speaker 1: fucking legend, Swedish legend, Stockholm birthdom, the world had him.
Speaker 1: But wow, what a moment, What Wow, What a moment,
Speaker 1: moment I will never forget. Well, God, how long have
Speaker 1: we been going? I think long enough, long enough, I
Speaker 1: think long enough to say it's time for I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey. This is I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: This is where we take one minute to go off
Speaker 1: on something in culture. Um it is you said I might,
Speaker 1: I might take a rest. You're gonna take a risk.
Speaker 1: I have something too, and I don't think it'll be
Speaker 1: a risk, but I think people will identify great, this
Speaker 1: is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honey, And it's
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so honey. Allergy season
Speaker 1: during the COVID pandemic, because Mama, I'm spinning out. I
Speaker 1: have symptoms down, but I also don't have COVID like fully,
Speaker 1: but but but the way the way I'm like, stuff
Speaker 1: the hell up having a sore throat, and I'm like
Speaker 1: needing to not have COVID for work. And yet it's
Speaker 1: allergy season here in l A. The damn Santa and
Speaker 1: the winds are blowing around the pollen. I suppose the
Speaker 1: group chat are all a titter about how we all
Speaker 1: feel sick. Readers. Do you feeling sick? I do, and
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey about it. I do know,
Speaker 1: so honey, the way I feel, I don't think so
Speaker 1: honey that allergies have to keep allergy even during the
Speaker 1: COVID pandemic, and now they're talking about miss Batu b
Speaker 1: A two. But to get the funk out, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey you. I don't think honey, these allergies.
Speaker 1: I have what is? What? What the what? And that's
Speaker 1: one minute, bat girl, that's a Star Wars name, and
Speaker 1: we better keep it that way. You're either a Droid
Speaker 1: b A two or you're a dam alien and you
Speaker 1: better not be the new variant because the way, the
Speaker 1: way that we've all decided that COVID is done and
Speaker 1: now we're now everyone when you google it, it's like,
Speaker 1: but but two though version is I can't with. And
Speaker 1: they're saying like, hey, this one's not a big deal,
Speaker 1: but everyone will get it. And I'm like, well, fuck,
Speaker 1: I hate that stupid ship. Like everyone's getting a harsh
Speaker 1: cold again and it's going to stop the world. But
Speaker 1: then Founci's now saying he doesn't think it's going to
Speaker 1: stop the world. Jesus Christ, girl, girl, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of some people in New York
Speaker 1: going I gotta sore through and I'm like, okay, take
Speaker 1: the muse the next, take the Clareton, not the muse. Next,
Speaker 1: what is it to take the flow? Yeah, there you go, Mama, Mama,
Speaker 1: thank you. I found it. Also, I don't know about you,
Speaker 1: but like during Pisces season, maybe you're a Scorpio so
Speaker 1: you feel this. Yeah, well, it's been Pisces season and
Speaker 1: so it's been one of the most emotional months of
Speaker 1: my life. And I've also been partying so much more
Speaker 1: than usual that it's like, I don't know if my
Speaker 1: immunes are just down or like what, but the allergy
Speaker 1: season is really throwing me. And I don't have COVID
Speaker 1: like officially confirmed, but it's just it's it's it makes
Speaker 1: me anxious. Well, this is always. Literally, allergy season for
Speaker 1: me is always this is the worst suffering I've ever endured.
Speaker 1: And when will it stop? And then I literally it's
Speaker 1: over and then I forget about it for the rest
Speaker 1: of the year. Have you been bad recently? Weirdly, as
Speaker 1: of late this year, it's been fine. But I'm sure
Speaker 1: once I go back to New York and now that
Speaker 1: things are warming up again, it's going to destroy me.
Speaker 1: Oh god, it's fine, listen, um, that will be really frustrating.
Speaker 1: It's so right now in retrospect, I want to let
Speaker 1: you vent some frustrations, thank you by allowing you the
Speaker 1: time one minute exactly to do. And I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey, and you do have something and it will
Speaker 1: be risky, Yeah, not risky. It's just like something that's
Speaker 1: on the brain. And I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: share this. All right, well this is I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey, his time starts now. I don't think so
Speaker 1: honey et asking me about motherfucking Pete. It's or anybody
Speaker 1: asking me about fucking Pete. I love the guy, but
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get me to be in every fucking
Speaker 1: stupid regurgitated headline talking about how I'm I wish him
Speaker 1: the best, because obviously I do, obviously we all do.
Speaker 1: But this is something that like none of us want
Speaker 1: to talk about. We just want to make sure everyone
Speaker 1: involved is okay, okay. I don't want to talk about
Speaker 1: this anymore. I don't want this to overshadow literally me
Speaker 1: being nominated for an award. I don't get to like
Speaker 1: feel this way about stuff about my career. And then
Speaker 1: you have this like fully irrelevant thing kind of hijacking
Speaker 1: the conversation when I'm literally like so fucking tired off
Speaker 1: of this cross country flight. Well when I while I
Speaker 1: had to five second form the night before, stop it
Speaker 1: each See you're better than this, Okay. Mary Hart would
Speaker 1: never but she's a trumper now trumper. I would say,
Speaker 1: if it seems at all like it was coming from
Speaker 1: a place of genuine concern, that would be one thing.
Speaker 1: But it's not. It's a question being asked on a
Speaker 1: red carpet, and therefore it's like also all of it
Speaker 1: is being played out in a very public way. I'm
Speaker 1: not involved whatsoever. Stop asking the Prince of all princes
Speaker 1: Chris read about it so that she gets fun like
Speaker 1: brought into the mask because I saw that he was
Speaker 1: like saying some stuff. And it's like, but Chris is
Speaker 1: already like fucking like promoting his own ship, and you're
Speaker 1: asking about Pete watch bus down. Don't ever, ever, ever
Speaker 1: ever ask us about Pete. I mean I I when
Speaker 1: I saw that they asked you about it, I was like,
Speaker 1: I wonder, like, isn't that a thing that they tell
Speaker 1: them not to ask in advance? Like but I guess not, huh,
Speaker 1: it's like or they yeah, or they just don't care,
Speaker 1: and it's like, God, it's just like the whole thing
Speaker 1: is said, He's being stalked and harassed and abused. How
Speaker 1: the fund do you think everyone feels about it? Like
Speaker 1: for him, it's like the father of her children is
Speaker 1: acting this way. For Connie, it's like he's still like
Speaker 1: he's going through some episodes of something and he's still grieving,
Speaker 1: and it's like there's just so much going on here
Speaker 1: that like none of us are equipped to talk about
Speaker 1: on a fucking and a fucking sound bite. Yeah, red
Speaker 1: carpet when they're not feeding you when you're drunk from
Speaker 1: the hotel. Yes. And by the way, this is this,
Speaker 1: this is fully mean, going going after red carpet culture.
Speaker 1: It's like it's so fucking stupid the way it's set up.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you know what I said. Asked her more,
Speaker 1: I say, asked her more than pete. This is this
Speaker 1: is just to clarify, Like truly, it only has to
Speaker 1: do with like the way that these like fucking things
Speaker 1: are structured, and it's and it's and it's very smart.
Speaker 1: It's very like they know how to get you and
Speaker 1: they know how to like fucking amplify the stupidest, most
Speaker 1: innocuous thing that anyone said, and they ask it like
Speaker 1: and you know, we're all thinking of and it's just
Speaker 1: like no, you're all waiting to see what happens next.
Speaker 1: And it's like the fact is like I think that
Speaker 1: because the person involved who's aggravating the situation, knows how
Speaker 1: he can inflame the situation. Like it's like sort of
Speaker 1: all playing into the hands. So if you actually had
Speaker 1: genuine concern, you probably would just do it. But the
Speaker 1: media doesn't have genuine concern about the situation. The media
Speaker 1: has interests in the situation, which one very different. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, I wish they wouldn't put you guys
Speaker 1: in situations because it also seem to me like the
Speaker 1: media seems to think that the SNL cast is like
Speaker 1: and somehow closer than any other cast, Like he's a
Speaker 1: colleague of yours. He's not like your best friends. Like
Speaker 1: the only person who should be on the red carpet
Speaker 1: asking questions is Mark mel Yes, who's not the editor
Speaker 1: in chief of Variety, he's the senior culture and events editor.
Speaker 1: But he's like he's he's like Mr. Variety. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so I I correct myself, No, but now I I
Speaker 1: correct you. Oh well, now I as a result of
Speaker 1: you correcting me, I would have to correct myself. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope everything calms down with that situation. It's just sad.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's dark, and I it's not good for
Speaker 1: the kids. God, I'm like talking myself into a fucking hole. Now.
Speaker 1: I mean now they don't have to ask you about it.
Speaker 1: Well now they know. But it's just like the whole
Speaker 1: situation is tough, and like I just I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like I the only the only amount of in touch
Speaker 1: I've been with Pete is to text him like, hey, hope,
Speaker 1: everything's hope, everything's okay, I'm here if you need to
Speaker 1: talk to you, that's two yeah, And he doesn't, right,
Speaker 1: and so I'm not involved, just like your sign of support.
Speaker 1: And it's just like, I don't know. It's just because
Speaker 1: you know, they would have loved for you to say
Speaker 1: like even a little bit of the wrong thing so
Speaker 1: they could put it in that fucking This is what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. Matt and I have been on
Speaker 1: that side of things weirdly, and the thing that they
Speaker 1: literally tell you to do is to be like get
Speaker 1: something news making. The word is literally newsmaking, and so
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just sucks. And also it would
Speaker 1: also be shitty if you were asked that question and
Speaker 1: you would be like, come on, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because then I'm just this close to fucking doing it.
Speaker 1: I swear to God, next time it happens, I'm like,
Speaker 1: don't ask me that, And no one's gonna care if
Speaker 1: that If that clip makes the rounds or whatever, I'm like, yeah, great,
Speaker 1: be honest, that's the the fucking t period. Anyway. The
Speaker 1: culture is so broken well being in a broken culture,
Speaker 1: and we're the only people who can save it. We
Speaker 1: are the only people who can say it because we've
Speaker 1: seen the culture from both sides. Now from what still
Speaker 1: the iconic song from Koda, a film we've yet to see,
Speaker 1: you know, she sings that at the end and she
Speaker 1: signs beautifully. That's amazing, Miss Amelia Jones herself. Yeah, the child,
Speaker 1: the child, Um, oh my god. Can we just say
Speaker 1: Juda Hill was so adorable winning the Award for Belfast
Speaker 1: That was really cute and Alan Kim handing him, Oh,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness. Well two little stars, two little stars,
Speaker 1: and we absolutely titilated. We made news. We shook it up,
Speaker 1: were shocked, were thrilled, We exposed. Let me press the buttons, honey,
Speaker 1: and we will not stop bet bots. We finished every
Speaker 1: episode with a song, I delive from both sides now,
Speaker 1: from my weban down and still somehow it's a life's delusions.
Speaker 1: Every call, I really don't know life. There's a loud
Speaker 1: out out to listen to that you gotta listen to,
Speaker 1: Joni Mitchell, Both Sides Now, The joe Very boot scoots
Speaker 1: fine