WEBVTT - No Filter No Cry 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:05.480 Hell I suck with deng Dared Haven and I heard 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:10.680 radio podcast. Hey, welcome to an all new episode of 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.600 help by Suck at Dative. Of course, I'm Jared Haven, 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:17.319 joined by the wonderful, amazing Uh just got off the 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:20.040 golf course Dean on Claire. Ladies and gentlemen. He's in 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.560 a white polo. You're looking very nice. You're actually recording 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.160 from the van today. Yeah, thank you. It's actually not 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:27.080 just that I just got off the golf course, because 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.360 I think that kind of it puts the wrong picture 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:31.160 out there. Right. It's not like I just got off 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:33.840 the golf course. As a matter of fact, I left 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.040 the golf course early just so I could hang out 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:40.440 with the with the sucky daters with That's how dedicated 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.120 Dean is. There's no place I'd rather be other than 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:47.360 right here. Um. Yeah, I'll be honest with you guys. Uh, 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:49.400 you know, I think you guys can always expect honestly 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.200 out of us here. I hope I suck a dating. 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:54.280 I'm I've had a couple of beers. I've had a 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.640 couple of drinks on the golf course. So this podcast 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.360 is gonna be a little looser than most and I 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.200 love Lucy C Dean, and we're already pretty loose too. 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.560 I think that's the problem. So looser than loose is 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:08.640 gonna be an interesting take away. Well, full full disclosure, 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.080 Dean actually is changing shirts right now. And you have 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:15.600 a tattoo on your right shoulder. What is that? Is that? 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:19.040 Palm trees, flowers? I've never seen that tattoo before. No, yeah, 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.520 it's actually funny. I get asked that question semi frequently. 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:25.160 So the tat two on my right shoulder is a 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:30.720 John Butler Trio album artuh, album cover art. It's it's 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.280 like three arrows pointing up for trio. Obviously for my 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.360 best friend, well, one of my best friends when I 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:40.520 was in college. He uh, he overdosed and died and 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:42.360 he would hope he did it at a John Butler 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:44.759 Trio concert. And so me and a couple other friends 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:51.559 got John Butler Trio tattoos to commemorate his wonderful life. So, Jared, 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.920 I appreciate you starting off the top of the podcast 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.440 with a somber Uh. You know, I didn't know it 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.400 was going to be somber. I'm so sorry you have 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:02.760 to tell that story. Never mind, moving right along No, 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:05.520 it's funny too, because I've got a lot of really 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.120 dumb tattoos. So you see a tattoo and odds are 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.960 that it's gonna be a meaningless, idiotic, like hilarious story. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.480 But there's a couple that being one of them that 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.560 are actually like meaningful, you know. Yeah, no, totally, just 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:20.880 like the Instagram one with the blue checkmark that's very meaningful. Yeah, 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:22.960 right next to the right, next to the blue checkmark. 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:24.960 I think I've talked about this on the podcast before. 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:28.239 I really want to get a tattoo of this artist, 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:32.440 David Shrigley. Uh. He he's like a doodler. Have I 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.000 talked about this before? Have you heard the story? I 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.959 don't think I don't think so either. Okay, So I 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:38.880 really want to get this tattoo and uh and I 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:40.360 really want to get it like on my quad, like 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:42.360 on my leg and like a very visible area if 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.360 you wear like shorts, you know. And when when I 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.160 broke my leg, Caitlin and I were spending time in 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.280 London and we went to this restaurant and there were 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.640 these freaking hilarious drawings all over the walls, like little 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.720 doodles with like funny little uh, not like proverbs, but 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:58.880 like little like snippets of words on the bottom or 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.480 top or whatever, you know, like monkey, big monkey, like 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.880 super like ridiculously like basic, but like hilarious at the 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.440 same time. And I started, I started following the artists 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.600 on Instagram, and uh, he posted this thing one day. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.680 It's like literally like a you know, like a like 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.720 a hobo's knapsack where they like sling a thing together 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.800 over like a over a stick that they throw over 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.560 their shoulder like that kind of thing. Is hobo politically 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.640 correct to say anymore? Um, I don't think it's really 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.880 like it's kind of like a yeah, I think it's 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.200 I think it's perfectly fun to say. I know, the knapsack. 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.079 That's totally kind of like one of the seven Dwarves 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.040 when they're they're going to work and they're whistling to work, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.680 they carry the knapsack over the show exactly exactly like 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:40.760 the seven doors. Let's go seven Dwarves and go ahead 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:42.640 and leap out the hobo that I said earlier. But 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.480 I still think it's pc. It's okay. Anyways, it's basically 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.680 one of those and on the sacked on like the 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.760 knapsack it just says bag of rats, and I just 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:52.600 want to get a big I want to get a 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.600 big tattoo of a knapsack with the words bag of 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:59.520 rats on it, right on my quad. Um. I'll be 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.400 honest with you, as I totally forgot where this whole 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:07.240 story was gone. I'm saying, we were talking about tattoos. 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.440 To bring it back to dating, I, while you were 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:13.120 talking about a sack of rats. I went to men 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.800 bag of rats. Excuse me. I went to Men's Journal 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.640 dot com and I was curious if women like guys 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:24.120 with tattoos. And so there's this article that asked twenty women, 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.680 do you like guys with tattoos? And pretty much universally 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:30.880 all of them have said, yes, I like tattoos. They 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.120 said no on piercings. They said. The only tattoos that 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:38.920 they really don't like our neck tattoos um or really 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:43.800 really ridiculous tattoos. But they say that guys who have tattoos, 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:48.000 depending where they are, um that have meaning behind them 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.800 and are really thought out. They see a sexy Sure, yeah, 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:53.480 I can see that. And that's kind of why I 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.200 sprinkled a couple of meaningful ones in there. You know, tattoos. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.120 Tattoos are funny. I know you don't have any tattoos, 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.040 sarre I want a tattoo, though, I was just gonna say, 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.640 I'm surprised you don't because you are, um, you know, 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.760 for all your faults, you are very very passionate about 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.159 a lot of things. And I think that's the problem. 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:11.200 What am I going to get a tattoo of Tom 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.400 Brady's face on my chest? Stuff? So that's kind to 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:16.440 my point though, is like, of all the things that 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.320 separate me and you, I think the biggest separation between 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:23.200 you and me Dean and Jared is that you, uh you. 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:25.160 I don't want to say, like obsess over things, but 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.359 you took you take passion to a new level with 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.560 with four things right, and I admire you so much 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.159 for that. And I am the opposite. I can't do 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.039 that at all, um, and I am the one with 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.039 That's probably why I get stupid tattoos. But I guess 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.760 my point that I'm trying to make is someone that's 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:42.880 as passionate as you are. I'm surprised that you haven't, like, 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.840 you know, taken the next step and primarily inkered on yourself. 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.640 See that's why I find you so much more cultural 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.400 than I am, though, because like you're so open to 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:55.000 experiencing new things and doing things that you've never learned 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.440 about before. We're me. I'm like, no, I like the 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:58.960 things that I like, and I don't like the things 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.040 that I don't like. So it's like I'm very passionate 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:02.880 about about the things that I love. But if it's 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.039 like something I haven't done or have no interest in, 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.000 like you'd be like, yeah, sure, let's try it out. 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:08.520 Where me, I'm like, no, I'm all set. I think 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.040 I'm I think convincing. What about Like, let's talk about 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:14.920 girls with tattoos? What do you think? I don't think 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.960 actually has any tattoos? She did not, but I gotta 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:22.560 I gotta admit I love tattoos on a girl. Really. 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.720 I think it's the Ashley better cover her ears. But like, 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.400 Ashley is the only person I care about anymore. But 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:33.280 in my single days, I loved tattoos on girls. I 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.320 find that incredibly sexy. So like, what kind of tattoos 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.680 that like, like a whole arm sleep or what. I 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:40.640 don't know, man, I kind of think arm sleeve is 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.000 pretty hot. It depending on the girl, obviously, you know, 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.520 if ash had an arm sleeve, it would be freely weird. 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.800 But I don't know, like I I just I like 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.200 girls with tattoos. Like even sometimes when the girl has 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:58.039 like a tattoo on her ankle or um, it's you know, 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.440 I don't want I don't think kind of like a 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.560 girl with just like a tattoo on like her biceps, 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.480 you know, but if it's like a full arm sleeve 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.040 or like tattoo like on her ribs, you know, like 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.760 the lettering down the side, right, I like on it. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.480 There was like a tan girl who wears, you know, 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.600 a two piece bikini and has like a tattoo on 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.360 her side rib. We're getting into like Jared's like fetishes 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.400 over here. I feel like, oh, yeah, that was I think. 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:24.840 And I've always said ever since a young age. And 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:26.520 I said a lot of dumb things at young ages, 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.040 but this is one of the few things that I 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.239 stood by ever since. I remember my first time saying 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.080 it is the rib tattoo like you were talking about, 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.640 I think might be the sexiest place girl can get 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:40.640 a tattoo, like a vertical tattoo of like some stupid 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.640 quote that no one really cares about. I I think 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.400 it is pretty sexy. I agree that the like the 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:50.880 quote unquote tramp stamp the lower back one. I could 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:56.120 go like, I don't actually hate that. I know weird 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.320 a lot of you know, I should say I don't 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:04.920 like that. I don't hate it you like tramp stamps? Also? Okay, wait, 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:06.640 I don't need to back up for a second. If 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.360 Hobo is not politically correct, tramp stamp cannot be politically 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.520 that's true, I guess. So yeah, maybe I shouldn't say 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.600 like that, but I think of wedding crashers, remember that 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:19.520 part where like a girl eiggsactly, Yeah, tattoo on the 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.680 lower back might as well be a bullsh I don't know, 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.880 but I I definitely I find girls with like do 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.640 you think do you think Ashley would ever get a tattoo? Though? 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:31.840 Uh No, I don't think she would want a tattoo. 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:33.959 This isn't fair her personality, you know. I mean, do 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:35.559 you want to know what's funny? Actually, Kaylin and I 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:37.640 were supposed to get matching tattoos like a year and 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.480 a half ago, and we get to the tattoo, we 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.560 like figure out what we're gonna get. So so Caitlin's 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:46.040 old roommate had an avocado on her ankle and her 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.440 boyfriend had the other side of the avocado with like 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.240 the pit in it, and it was like pretty cute 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.120 and like funny, and you want to do something similar 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:54.640 to that. And so we were like figuring out what 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.560 we're gonna do, and I got this. We were like, Okay, 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.640 what we're gonna do is I'm gonna get an airplane 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:02.480 and Kitlin is gonna get you. No, I'm sorry, I'm 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.880 gonna get a parachuoter like like a skydiver, and Caitlin 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:06.760 is gonna get an airplane like this guy ever jumps 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.360 out of the airplane kind of thing. And we go 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.760 to the tattoo parlor and we both get our artwork 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:14.679 picked out and everything, and I go first and I 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:16.400 get the tattoo of the skuy diver on my back, 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.080 and then Calin is supposed to go and she completely bails. 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.840 She didn't get the tattoo. And to this day, even 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.720 to this day, not every day, but like pretty often 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:27.480 she's like, yeah, like I want to get a tattooed 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:29.040 blah blah blah, and I'm like, you don't want to 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.480 get a tattoo, because last time we literally were there 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:35.480 ready to get a tattoo, you literally just said no, 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:39.480 I don't want to get anymore. So I don't know. Couples, 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.080 what do you think about couple of tattoos? Like would 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.920 you ask you ever get one? I don't know if 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:45.400 I even when you were telling a story about couple 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.360 of tattoos, and like the avocado on the pit, it's 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.800 cute individual, you know, perspective, I don't know if it's 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.120 for me. Gotta be honest, Like I remember Grant and Lace. 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.280 Now granted they knew each other for like two weeks, 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.360 but Grant and Lacey got engaged on Batchlan Paradays three, 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.640 they got matching tattoos before they got engaged in the show, 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.080 obviously broke up, both got their tattoos removed, and it's like, 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.760 I don't know, I mean, I just I don't know. 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.160 Maybe matching tattoos. I guess, like maybe someone has like 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.400 the puzzle piece, you know, and the other one has 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.560 like the full puzzle with one missing piece. I don't know, 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.360 just off the top of your head, that is actually 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.520 a very good tattoo idea. And I'm gonna maybe I'm 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:24.920 gonna pitch it Calan on the idea it's always funny. 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.559 I think matching is different like it's I think, if 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.199 I remember correctly, Grant and Lace got literally the exact 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.920 same tattoo. But the nice thing about doing something that's 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.880 like same but different but equal is maybe better because 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.040 like let's say, god forbid, someone breaks up, it's like, 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.720 at least you don't share that tattoo with someone else. 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:43.719 It's just like you. You could just be like, oh, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.000 I love skydiving. That's why I have. It has nothing 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:47.960 to do with someone else getting a plane, even though you, 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:49.480 Caitlin are obviously going to spend the rest of your 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:51.360 life together, right right right, Well, that's the nice thing 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:52.920 about so that sky ever was in my back. I've 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:54.800 got a lot of dumb tattoos in my back, and 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.679 I think about it back is you can't really ever 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.200 see it, so I don't even really know what my 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.560 back looks like, you know. And I honestly think girls 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.880 like tattoos on guys better when they're hidden, because it's 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:05.920 a nice, like little surprise. I remember a girl told 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:07.880 me that one time. She's like, I find it incredibly 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.680 sexy when a guy has a tattoo on you know, 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.320 parts of their body that we can't see, so like 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.200 when he takes off his shirt, it's a surprise, and 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:20.200 it's like a sexy surprise, unless it's like, you know, uh, 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.560 you know, a tattoo of my dog Lois, who's freaking 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.800 out right now in the other room. But even that 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.600 could be pretty cool. I might be repulsed by, you know, 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:29.640 the fat rolls and stuff, but at least I'm turned 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.120 on by the tattoos kind of thing. Oh your fare Roles. 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.680 I thought you were talking about my dog. I was like, bro, okay, 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.000 she might be a little overweight, but we're working on it. 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.400 We're trying to get her on a diet. Crap about 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.720 Lois like that, Come on, that's right. Well, we have 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:45.840 a great episode coming up for you. Like we said, 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:50.160 we have interesting segue. We have Alex Durant coming on now. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.680 He is the founder of Jigsaw, which is a brand 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.600 new dating app which reminds me of the movie Saw. 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:57.600 I don't know if anybody's ever seen that, but jig 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.160 Saw as the killer in there, so I'm interested to 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.960 ask him about that, you know. But Jigsaw's brand new 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.880 app about pretty much blind going on blind Dates. So 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:10.079 I'm very interested to discuss that with Alex coming up. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.120 But before we talk to Alex, let's take a quick break, Jared, 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:14.720 Before we take a quick break, I need to figure 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:18.000 this out. And you just saying it made me think 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.200 about this is the reason that the movie called Saw? 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:26.240 Is it because it's short for Jigsaw? Yes? And now 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.360 he blew your mind, didn't it? I believe so? Yeah. 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:30.199 And plus it's like a play on words because he 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:31.520 has to saw his foot off at the end of 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.680 the movie spoiler alert for a movie that's twenty years old. 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.720 But there's like seven of the movies. Yeah, but like 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.560 the first one obviously was the reason why they titled it. 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.559 The rest was just marketing, you know, moving on from 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:45.680 the story. But like the first one, jig saw, so 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.440 they cut it off and put saw and then of 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.080 course like he saw his foot off at the end 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.200 of the movie. I've always known his name was Jigsaw, 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.480 and obviously the movie is Saw. It never until now 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.280 just piece together that they may be named the movie 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.319 after Jack Saw, who's not even the main character. I say, 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.160 But anyways, we're gonna chase the killer. But also a 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:04.719 quick thing about that, do you know that there's a 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.920 new stock coming out, but it's like a spin off. 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.240 It's called Spiral, and it's produced and starred by Chris 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.080 Rock and it has Samuel Jackson in it and it 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:13.880 looks freaking awesome. I'm supposed to come out last year, 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.560 it's coming out this year. Anyway, Long story short, Hey, 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:18.000 we've been needing to take a break for a minute. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:31.720 Let's take a break and get back into uh hey, 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:33.960 welcome back to help I suck at dating. Like we 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:35.800 tease before the break, we have a great guest who's 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.360 on the line joining us from across the Atlantic. It 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.280 is the CEO and co founder of the brand new 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.960 dating app Jigsaw. It is Alex Durant. Alex, thank you 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:46.720 so much for joining us today and help I suck 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.280 at dating. Yeah, brilliant. Thanks for having me guys, of course, 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.720 So Alex, a big question is do you suck at dating? Oh? Yeah, 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.640 totally big time me and my co founder. But we'll 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.160 get into this lighter. My co founder Max, you know, 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.440 we've been friends since we're fifteen. He's he's publicly failed 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.120 the dating I've just done. I've just done mine behind 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:12.960 closed doors, publicly failed. Besides no, I've gone into it 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.800 straight away. He's gonna kill me for this. So we've 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.480 got we have a we have a a dating show 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.360 over in the UK called First Dates. I don't know 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:28.200 if you've heard that clips. Yes, so it's just like 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.120 theysic sit down in a restaurant, um and they just 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.280 film every single moment of a first dagh. Was this 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.720 on Netflix? Yes? On Netflix? Now, Oh, I have seen 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.400 this show. Ashley was watching it and I watched an 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.400 episode with her. Amazing. Yes, So it's just was was 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.320 it the British version or was was it the US version? 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:48.440 It might have been the US version because the reason 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.160 I heard about it one of the producers of The 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.080 Bachelor of the show Dean and I were on, was 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:56.240 working on it. Oh cool, brilliant. So yeah, so it's 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.680 so yeah, I guess he's probably exactly the same format 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.040 they have. You know, two people turn up to a restaurant, 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.400 they sit down and they have a first date. And yeah, 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.720 my co founder MAXI went on there on that about 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.160 three years ago and he calls it the gift that 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:12.040 keeps on giving, because it was it was obviously live 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.240 on TV about three years ago and about six months 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.360 ago it went onto Netflix and he was like, oh great, 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:18.640 and I'm assuming it did not work out for him, 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.360 which is why he's not happy about they Yeah, I think, yeah, 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:23.760 they seem to have a good date and they weren't compatible. 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.200 But if he famously asked her what her favorite size 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.760 of paper was A four or a three, that might 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.000 be the worst question ever asked on the first date? 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:36.560 Wait is eight four and eight three? Two different sides? 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.280 Do you guys not have those sizes of paper? That 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.800 might be the we have that I know at least 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.480 it's like an eight by twelve, right, I think, see 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.680 you guys, Yeah, you guys measure in interest. He's got 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:51.560 no chance over in the US, as our producer just 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.600 in formed, was this eight and a half by eight 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:59.080 point five by eleven? Apparently very close? But let's transition 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.040 to your obviously eating up, which is where you're here. 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.680 So talk about what Jigsaw is, why you wanted to 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.480 create it? Uh, and right now, I know it's London, 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.120 but you guys are making your way over the States 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.760 as well. Yeah, yes, so we recently just launched in 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.840 the US. But yeah, plain and simply, you know, Jigsaw 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:17.840 exists to encourage and enable people to look on the looks. 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.280 You know, we're we're all guilty of prejudgments and we're 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.880 aware of the negative impact that comes from that. And 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:24.920 so what we do is we cover every single one 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.240 of our users faces in the Jigsaw puzzle that reveals 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.320 piece by piece as people communicate with one another. So 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:31.720 what we're trying to do there, if you're trying to 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.520 create an environment online, which we all know is you know, 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.360 full of photo first applications, you know, conversation second, if 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.360 you even get to that, what we're trying to do 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.240 there is we're trying to recreate as much as we can, 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.920 sort of that the spark of the art of conversation 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:51.400 from I'm doing quote marks in my hands the olden days, uh, 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.080 and trying to create you know, this fifty fifty personality 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.360 and looks because we all know looks matter, and you 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.280 know with Jigsaw, you know you unveil and see what 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.160 somebody looks like pretty quickly. You know, we're not in 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.240 the business of wasting people's time. But at the same time, 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.000 you need to give people a chance, and you need 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:06.880 to have a conversation with someone before you can fully 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.320 judge them. And that's the full premise of what Chicksaw 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.040 is based upon, and it, as you can probably imagine, 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.760 comes from mine and Max's personal struggles dating apps. But 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.000 you're very good looking man, so I can't imagine that 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.879 you were too funny. That's funny putting your picture online 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.280 Tinder and bumbles. Our algorithms beg to differ based on 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:29.760 my old match, right, So you know, me and me 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:31.840 and Max, and I'm sure you know many many many 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.359 guys out there are guilty of the swiping right on 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.879 every single, every single person to get you know, a 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.840 very very minimal return. So you play the ads exactly, 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:45.919 everybody against the at that point exactly. So you know, 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.080 that just came from our our own personal experience with that, 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:50.600 and we we were lucky enough to be at that 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.439 age where when we were in our late teens, there 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.280 were no dating apps. And then Max went off to college. 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.439 I actually went into work at the same time, but 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.600 actually ended up living in like the college house with 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.040 like another guy's and then shocked Tim to hit the 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.439 university campus. Everyone went wild and Max I can't take 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.359 credit for this. Maximu co founder is the is the 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.400 creative one between us and he you know, he just 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.600 instantly thought, this is crazy. You know, everybody's just everyone's 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.480 going mad comparing photos of one another. But who's actually 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.080 talking on these dating apps? And why isn't there a 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.000 dating app out there? But conversation first and photo second. 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.639 That was the original idea and ever since then, you know, 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.280 ave itterated and changed it to where we are today, 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.679 where we just cover users faces in a jigsaw puzzle 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.280 and after a short conversation, now you're unveil each other 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.200 and see who each other are and decide if you 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.280 part ways or continue. You want to know what you want. Know. 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.720 What's funny about this is we've talked to other um, 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.240 you know, I guess for about lack a better word, 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:47.280 like inventors of dating apps, right, And from what I've gathered, 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.399 more or less, every single one of them is very similar, 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:54.360 very much the same premise. This one sounds like original 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.520 and gore to me because it's like, yeah, right, like 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.680 how often you gonna have a conversation with someone before 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.960