1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: So, Josh, did we meet in Vegas? Is that where 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: this all started? 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 2: No, we actually met in Anchorage, Alaska. You were up 4 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 2: there on the USO. 5 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Tour, That's right. Vegas was after that. Yeah, it was 6 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: just after that. 7 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: And it was funny, you know, this email comes out, 8 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: it's like, hey, we need somebody to volunteer to give 9 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 2: some country music artists people a tour by the USA Tour. 10 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: And I was like, I love country music, Yes, I'll 11 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: do that. I had no idea who it was, and 12 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: they're like, oh, it's this guy named Granger Smith. He's 13 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: here for the USO tour. It was like, you got 14 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: to be kidding me. 15 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: You know. 16 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: So my roommate from the Air Force Academy's from Texas, 17 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: from Shureline, Texas, and and he obviously loves Texas country music, 18 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: read drop music, all that stuff. So I just kind 19 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: of got indoctrinated into that in college. Yeah, and growing up, 20 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: and my first my first CD that I got as 21 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: a gift was like a Christmas stocking stuffer was clay Walkers, 22 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: like self titled nineteen eighty three album. And you know, 23 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: so I love countries growing up, and then I started 24 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: learning about text music more and fell in love with it. 25 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: And then obviously when I heard those you is really cool, 26 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: you know, and we did that and then then you 27 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: were there for NFR in Vegas after that when I 28 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: was down there as well. 29 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: That's right, So I went up there. It was for CMT, 30 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: right and yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, it was for CMT, 31 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: but it was connected to the USO. It was a 32 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: USO CMT and I was with Cody Allen. Yep, you 33 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: remember that, which is you know, my predecessor at after midnight. 34 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: That's so that's the interesting connection with us. But but 35 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: when I met you, still to this day, you are 36 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: probably top three coolest guys in my phone that I 37 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: know that I can text because you are a fighter pilot, 38 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,919 Speaker 1: and not only a fighter pilot, but an F twenty two, 39 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: which is what is the most sophisticated aircraft in the world, right. 40 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,919 Speaker 2: And yeah, in terms of in terms of neeverabilities, speed, 41 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: all the performance numbers you can think of, it's definitely 42 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: the top out there right now. 43 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's anybody in Russia have anything better than that. 44 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: I think they're trying really hard. 45 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: But China, nobody has any better. 46 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: They're trying, they're they're trying, but I think they have 47 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: twenty two, you know, without getting a specific so I 48 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: would just simply say that I would take an F 49 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 2: twenty two to combat against anything out there in the Skuys. 50 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so it's we've been how long have we been? 51 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: We've been recording only two minutes and I'm already saying 52 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: this top gun, Sorry, we're bringing it up. That that 53 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: and the newer one. Yeah, the Russian jet that's in that. 54 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: It's like everyone's in awe about That's where's the F 55 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: twenty two stack up against that? 56 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: I still think in terms of capability, it's it's better. 57 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 2: You know, Russia is definitely producing stuff. What is and 58 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 2: top gun fifty seven? I believe what they had in there, 59 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: and then if if I recall correctly, I watched it, 60 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: like I can't watch it twice now, but I think 61 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 2: what they had in there, and that's like their their 62 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 2: next generation stealth kind of equivalent fighter. They haven't produced 63 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: a whole lot of them, and they just don't have 64 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: a capacity and and the tech development I think is 65 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: still lacking. So we still retained a really nice advantage 66 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: in terms of just manufacturing processes. The intellectual aspect of 67 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: making these airplanes really lethal and survivable. So, yeah, they 68 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 2: have twenty two is just, in my opinion, pretty awesome. 69 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: When did you stop flying combat missions? So I stopped. 70 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: My last deployment was in twenty sixteen, and then I 71 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: did the demonstration team job for three years. I think 72 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 2: the last time I saw you was in twenty twenty one, 73 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 2: I believe when we came out to the ranch. Yeah, 74 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: and then I left active duty in August of twenty 75 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 2: twenty three. So I left active duty. Now I'm part 76 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: time and then about a International Guard. No longer flying 77 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 2: fighter jets, but still flying lots of other airplanes. And yeah, 78 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: so I was kind of my time in the Air Force. 79 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: Did a deployment the fifteen first, and then they have 80 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: twenty two later on. 81 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: It's like, I said, one of the coolest guys, and 82 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: I know. 83 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: No, you know, I do want it. Since we were 84 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: talking about anchorage and talking about CMP tour on stuff, 85 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: you know, I think the reason that we connectively on 86 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: in Vegas was honestly because you're incredibly kind. And I 87 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: don't remember if you know this, or I don't know 88 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: if you remember this at all, but the day after 89 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: you or the day you left. That morning, I think 90 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: it was, we had like a seven point two magnitude 91 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: earthquake and anchorage. Remember that I was at work, you know, 92 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: we just finished awesome time going to show you run 93 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: the airplanes, get to listen to play and all that stuff. 94 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: And then the next morning at work, we get an 95 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 2: earthquake happening, and I was like, all right, well, you know, 96 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 2: it's like, oh, it's an earthquake, no big deal. And 97 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 2: then we start getting tossed from chairs and we're like, oh, 98 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: this is a serious one, you know, and you had landed. 99 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: I don't know sure if you came back to Texas, Okay, 100 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: Seattle and you text me and you're like, hey, man, 101 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 2: I heard this really big earthquake. 102 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: Are you doing okay? 103 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: And I was like, this is the guy that I 104 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: used to listen to on my computer in college, you know, 105 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 2: when like a little you like came out like back 106 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: in the day, Granger Smith. And I was like, this 107 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: is this guy texting my personal number asking if I'm 108 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: okay because an earthquake that just happened. You know, I'm like, 109 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: how many other millions of things do you have going on? 110 00:04:58,600 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: And the fact that you were so kind to take time. 111 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 2: I'm just to ask how I was doing. After that 112 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: was amazing. And then I was like, well, I'm doing well, 113 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: but I'm head out of town going to Vegas because 114 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: we got this conference. You're like, well, I'm going to Vegas, 115 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 2: you know. And then we met up there for the show, 116 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: which was great, and uh yeah, it's just all through 117 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: your kindness. And that's how this. 118 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like a big deal at all, though I 119 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: mean it. 120 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: Doesn't, but you know, you'd imagine, like, you know, it's 121 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: just like, hey, taking care of other people, being kind 122 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: and consider it, sadly is not as common as I 123 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: guess you would expect, and especially when it's like some 124 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: of you've you've you know, been listened to on the 125 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: radio for the last whatever fifteen years. You're like, that's 126 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: that's pretty crazy. I just text my personal cell phone number, 127 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: you know. 128 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: I remember that that was that was wild because we 129 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: we took off from Anchorage on on a flight to 130 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: I guess it was like maybe Delta, but we landed 131 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: in Seattle, and right when we landed and turned our 132 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: phones on, it was like, you know, our phones were 133 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: blown up. It was a major earthquake in Anchorage within 134 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: the short amount of time we were in the air 135 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: if we had waited any longer to take off, that 136 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: they weren't. They weren't flying planes out of that that airfield. Yeah, 137 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: for a while after that, so so yeah, I was like, man, 138 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: it's josh okay. So that was that was a little 139 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: crazy incident. I actually totally forgot about it, so you 140 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: mentioned it. But the the time itself in Anchorage was 141 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: my first time to see you and the and the 142 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: f twenty two and you know, you let us walk 143 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: around it. Have you seen that in have you seen Oh, well, 144 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: after this, I'll show you. Like when he was on 145 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: the demo team there some of those videos like their 146 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: Instagram account. What's that Instagram between two demo tea team? 147 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: Demo team? That is a good follow on Instagram because 148 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: that aircraft does things that just the mind can is 149 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: not capable of understanding what it's seeing. It looks like 150 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: some kind of cgi. It looks fake. I mean that's 151 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: the they basically tell us what I mean. It basically 152 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: stalls in the air and could reverse and go different direction, 153 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: like what's happening with the twenty two. 154 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: Just wizardry it's basically wizard Yeah, it's wizardry. 155 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: You know. 156 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: The it's a testament right to all the engineers and 157 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: folks that designed the airplane, because they did a phenomenal 158 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: job with the flight control laws and how to make 159 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: the airplane do some amazing things, the things that really 160 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: make it unique and different in terms of moverability. The 161 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: engines are remarkable. So they produced seventy thousand pounds of 162 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: thrust total. The airplane full of gas, full of weapons 163 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: weighs about sixty five thousand pounds, so even at takeoff, 164 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: you're producing more thrust than you weigh at takeoff, so 165 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: you can accelerate going straight up. 166 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: It's a little bit more than a tour bus by 167 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: the way, weighted down. 168 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, maybe not as much as a you know, 169 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: a germ Ax. I don't know, but yeah, it's close. 170 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: I've got to coming diesel, but you know it's close. 171 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm not about thrust. I'm not about the weight of 172 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: a fully fully weighed down towards yeah six okay, wow, 173 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was that heavy. 174 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this but the airplane, you know, the engines 175 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: produce amazing thrust, but also on the back of vector thrust. 176 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: They have nozzles in the back, so imagine taking your 177 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: finger putting on a water hose, you know, and like 178 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: moving your thumb and the water goes different directions. But 179 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: you're just doing that with seventy thousand pounds of thrust, 180 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: so you have vector thrust. The flight controls are all 181 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: basically it's fly by wire. So I'm making inputs. I'm 182 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: moving the stick or moving the throttles, and the airplane says, okay, 183 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 2: the pilot wants XYZ effect whatever it happens to be, 184 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: and then it figures out how fast my going and 185 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: how high am I All these are the parameters and 186 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 2: gives me the combination of flight controls I need to 187 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: get the effect I'm asking for. And you've seen the 188 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 2: thunderbirds fly, I'm sure. So they have F sixteen's amazing airplanes. 189 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 2: To put it in perspective of size, the F twenty two, 190 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 2: the tails in the back are the same size as 191 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 2: the F sixteen main wing, so these are massive surfaces. 192 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: Have you ever gone skydiving? No? 193 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 2: Okay, So skydiving, when you're falling through the sky, you're 194 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: basically using your hands and feets like deflect air and 195 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: That's what the F twenty two does, is it's in 196 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 2: that postal regime where it's no longer fit like flying. 197 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: It's not producing enough lyft to overcome the weight of 198 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: the airplane. It's basically using this flight control surfaces that 199 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: are the same size as an F sixteen main wing 200 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 2: to deflect air like you would be skydiving. And that's 201 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: what allows it to be, you know, completely controllable, even 202 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: those in those regimes where it's it's stalled. 203 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: Tell me about the bottom of that aircraft too. 204 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: Which which port? Oh yeah, where the bays are? 205 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: Yeah? 206 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, So we had a chance to look in the 207 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: bays and we carry missiles combination of bombs down there, 208 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: and the doors will open up really quickly. The missiles 209 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: or weapons will kick out of the bottom of the 210 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: airplane then close back up to keep us stealthy. So 211 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 2: having those weapons or missiles are. 212 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: Nothing's hanging out like the F sixteen, stuff everywhere underneath it. 213 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and everything's carried internally for twenty two And just 214 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: like the F thirty five, So the F thirty five 215 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: is is kind of the F sixteen replacement, much like 216 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: the F twenty two is fifteen replacement and everything's carried 217 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 2: internally to keep us stealthy, so we can sneak around, 218 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: you know. And when you think about other airplanes out 219 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: there flying that aren't stealthy, that's where those airplanes really 220 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: shine because imagine, you know, you're you're you're a bad 221 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: guy airplane and you see in your radar, you look 222 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: outside and you see these things popping up because they 223 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: have really big radar cross sections, and you get very 224 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: attract It's like, you know, a moth to flame kind 225 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: of thing. And then you have these airplanes that are 226 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 2: very stealthy, like Ninja is just rolling around hinjustars, you know. 227 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: So it's it's pretty great, pretty amazing capability for sure. 228 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: I do you were you ever just pinch yourself? Surely 229 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: half fast? How fast? Fly top top speed that you 230 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: that you could go? Yeah? 231 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: Gone twice the speed of sound. So it's about fifteen 232 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: hundred miles an hour. 233 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: So you're in the middle of the desert somewhere or 234 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: over an ocean going that. I mean, are you ever 235 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: just like, Wow, I'm the fastest man on north right now? Uh? Yeah, 236 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 1: like thinking about that. 237 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like, you know, the s R seventy one 238 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 2: was faster, right, and there are airplanes that were faster, 239 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 2: but I mean twice the speed of sound is pretty fast. 240 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: And then you're doing that at you know, sixty thousand 241 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: feet roughly, and that's it. It's interesting because at that point, 242 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of heat, right, so you're 243 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: going through the air really quickly, and then there's lot 244 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 2: of heat that's generated from that from the friction, and 245 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: as a result of the airplane is trying to cool 246 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: itself off too because it's it's getting hot and wants 247 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: keep everything electronically in the skin and everything cool. 248 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: So you get some cutback. 249 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: Actually, we gets very quiet because they're diverting air to 250 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: other things that are more important than you probably as 251 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: the pilot, and to keep it flying all those things, 252 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: and it's really eerie. You're at you know, sixty thousand 253 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: feet going twice as be a sound and fifteen hundred 254 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: miles now roughly, and it gets really quiet and you're 255 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: just seeing like the earth rotate underneath you and you're like, 256 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 2: this is super trippy, you know, it's just uh, it's 257 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: a pretty cool feeling for sure. 258 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: About six thousand feet up yeah, yeah, yeah, roughly unbelievable. 259 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 2: And we you know, we go supersonic obviously if we 260 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: needed to in combat, but in our training air spaces 261 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 2: when we need to do it for training, we don't. 262 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 2: We aren't allowed to go super sonic over the domestic 263 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: using from point to point. However, I did get approved 264 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: one time by the FA. I was flying out of 265 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: North Dakota taking a jet to Salt Lake City and 266 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: the Birds are actually performing. I flew a jet into 267 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: an air show and I wasn't the demo pilot at 268 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 2: the time. I was just bringing a jet there to 269 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 2: talk to folks about the airplane, and the thunder Birds 270 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: a little bit delayed taken off and finishing their show. 271 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: So I get delayed taken off out of there, I 272 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: take off. I like that FN so I like rip up, 273 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: and I'm going to Salt Lake and I'm looking at 274 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: the time, I'm gonna be late, and the people that 275 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: were this on a Sunday, like I'm gonna be late, 276 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: and the people that were working there, they're all contract employees, 277 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: you know that are civilians coming in on a Sunday 278 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: to get this airplane, Like, hey man, we close at 279 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: whatever five And looking at the time like I'm gonna 280 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 2: be late, feel bad, you know, And so I asked 281 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: the air traffic control guys like, hey, I come over 282 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: North Dakota right now. There's nobody down there, you know, 283 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: do you mind if I go super sonic? And he's like, oh, 284 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: what do you want? It's like one point too, so 285 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: one point two time speed of sound. 286 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I approved. So I go to super 287 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: you know. 288 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: I go one point two for about about a minute 289 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 2: a half two minutes, and then he comes back on 290 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: the redo and he's like, yeah, my supervisor's sow what 291 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: we were doing, and he said we couldn't do it anymore. Okay, 292 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: all right, so I swing back down. It helped me 293 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 2: catch up a little bit of time. But it was 294 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: pretty funny because that was the one time it was 295 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: like legally allowed to go super sonic over the States 296 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: and they were like all on board until they weren't. 297 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: So how far was the trip total time wise? I 298 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: think it was. 299 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 2: I think it was about hour and a half if 300 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 2: I recall correctly. 301 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still a long time in the cockpit, Yeah 302 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: it is. 303 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: I've done twelve hour flights in the Raptor and the Eagle, 304 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: and it's a long time. To be in that airplane 305 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: for that long, but you also get you know, used 306 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: to it. I'm an average hype build kind of guy 307 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: five ten, you know, and you get comfortable in there. 308 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 2: And also there's some some cool things you can do 309 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 2: in terms of like you're you're never flying by yourself, right, 310 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: you're flying with the wingmen. You're flying with somebody else. Yeah, 311 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 2: so you have like fun games to play crosswords and 312 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: whenever I was back and forth, if you're just not 313 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 2: doing anything going on, you know. 314 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: So I want to get to because I know that 315 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: there are some stories that you, you and I have shared, Yeah, 316 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: and part of it has to do with passing time there. 317 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: But but before we get to that there, there was 318 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: you remember you guys put me in that fight suit 319 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: yep in anchorage and it's like that it controls the 320 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: g's for what's that what's that suit called? So, yeah, 321 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: just called it a G suit. 322 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 2: The one you were, the one you had on was 323 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 2: called an a TAGS which is like the advanced something 324 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: something G garment And effectively it's that one's really nice 325 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: because it's one bladder. So it's a bladder of air 326 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: that goes around your abdomen, your legs and your calves. 327 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 2: And what it's designed to do is take air from 328 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: the airplane as you're pulling g's inflates to squeeze your 329 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: legs and that allows your upper body to keep the 330 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: blood flow and oxygen that your heart and lungs need 331 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: to and your brain needs to just stay conscious, conscious 332 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: when you're flying and fighting with these airplanes. So, yeah, 333 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: you put that on. You put the surval vest on, 334 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: the harness all crazy. 335 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it instantly sucks you in and texture 336 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: protects your limbs. But it's working along with the aircraft correct. 337 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: It knows exactly where what to put pressure on and 338 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: when to do it. 339 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's a really simplify it's just like 340 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: it's probably way more complicated. I'm not an engineer by trade, 341 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: but imagine like a metal plunger and then you have 342 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: it in this volume of air, and then as you 343 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: pull g's, the g forces pushed down on this which 344 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 2: then allows airflow to come in. So the more g's 345 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: you pull, the more, you know, I guess, the more 346 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: that plunger drops a lot more airflow into the bladder itself. 347 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: And you're doing this, you know, people go out there 348 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: and fly airplanes. You've probably seen these funny videos on 349 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: social media where people are passing out in the back 350 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: of Yeah, yeah, I ever seen those. So it's like 351 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: these people, they're only focus. Only folks in life right 352 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: now is to not pass out a flying fighter jet. 353 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: You're like, Okay, when you're actually in the airplane, flying 354 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: a fighter jet, you're doing that, but you're also working 355 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: all these switches you're working, You're like looking outside your turn. 356 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: You're contorted because you're fighting other airplanes that are trying 357 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: to potentially kill you. And it's it's a you know, 358 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: it's it's a it's a full contact sport for sure. 359 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 2: You know, like it's beats you. I've never passed out 360 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: an airplane, thank goodness. Yeah people have. Play no plane 361 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: people have, and you know, like everything else. If you're 362 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: training for a marathon, you don't start borrowing a marathon, 363 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: you start you sure. Yeah, And all the airplanes you 364 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: fly in the Air Force gradually build in terms of 365 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: G capabilities. So the T six, the first one you fly, 366 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: is about five to six g's, and the T three 367 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: it's about seven, and then the F twenty two is 368 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 2: over nine, and you know it'll pull over nine it's 369 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: it's it's remarkable. 370 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: It's just on your body. 371 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean almost every air show. 372 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: Every year, because you're doing crazy stuff on the shows. 373 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and even even in like the training missions and 374 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: not stuff. All our combat missions were typically dropping We're 375 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: dropping bombs on our commt missions, so like dropping weapons. 376 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: And that's not like very aggressive by any means. It's 377 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: more of just taking information really quickly from somebody else, 378 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: passing information, putting it in correctly in the airplane, and 379 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: making sure in a position to employ the weapons. But 380 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: in the air to air side we do training, there 381 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: are times where you know, you'll pull over nine g's 382 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: for over a minute, you know, and you're just like this. 383 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: You get back like I'm smoked, you know. And I 384 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: do remember this funny story. We were on a we 385 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: were on doing a trip down in Florida, and that's 386 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: where we do a lot of our live missile testing. 387 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: So we were down there and at the time, he 388 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 2: was the wing commander, was Colonel Colonel Corcoran Corky Corkoran. 389 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 2: We went out and flew and he went on to 390 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: become a general and he's recently retired. But you know, 391 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: I was a younger guy at the time, and uh, 392 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 2: you know, he's just you know, full bird colonels. He's 393 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: been around the block quite a bit in flying airplanes. 394 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 2: I had this great idea. I was like, Oh, we're 395 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 2: near a training mission and we're gonna go out do 396 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 2: some dog fighting together. Like I'm a young guy, I've 397 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 2: got a neck that's still expendable. You know, I can 398 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 2: still you know, get some g's. It's like, I'm gonna 399 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,479 Speaker 2: get into this like very aggressive, heavy g you know, 400 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: fight with him and we fit Like as we do 401 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 2: this thing, I'm looking across and we're fighting, you know, 402 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: and I see him and he just mashed me a 403 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: step for step, you know, and it was just amazing. 404 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 2: I was like, this guy is crushing it right now. 405 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: You know. 406 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: And it was just so impressive because he's he's an 407 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 2: amazing pilot, an amazing leader guy to thankfully fly with 408 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 2: him when I was deployed as well. He was the 409 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: wing commander when I was in twenty sixteen, and just 410 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: an amazing human. But it was funny. I was like, 411 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: I can pull some some new guy tricks, just trying 412 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: to sacrifice my body for an advantage, you know, in 413 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: terms of this, this flying and fighting, and he was 414 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: right there with me. 415 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: The entire time. And yeah, yeah, man, the stories you 416 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: must have and and most of them you probably can't 417 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: even tell, but but you know, the times when you're 418 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: in anchorage, that was a lot of basically patrols in 419 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 1: the ocean. Yeah, because we've got an adversary right across 420 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: that ocean from from Alaska, yep. And you would you 421 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: tell me that, yeah, you guys, would you would see 422 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: any of the aircraft quite a bit. 423 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it goes, It goes seasonally, right, there 424 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 2: are different you know, whether it's political events or whether 425 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 2: it's time of year, things will ramp up or ramp down. 426 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, and quite frankly, we're doing the 427 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: same thing to other countries as well. We're flying airplanes 428 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 2: off their coast much like they're flying put on our coast. 429 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: And it's a cat and mouse game that will continue forever. 430 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: And yeah, this is one of the missions we had there. 431 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: The vast majority of our missions up there were training 432 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: missions to prepare for all this, all the different mission 433 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: sets we had to be responsible for. But that was 434 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: one of the things where we would sit in alert 435 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 2: facility and we have the facilities all around the country, 436 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: and it's almost like being a firefighter, right, you live 437 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: in a firehouse, you have a kitchen, you. 438 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: Have rooms, same thing. 439 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, you know a lot of a lot 440 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: of days, multiple days spent there in that facility. And 441 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: some days nothing happens, and some days, like you get 442 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: a call at two o'clock in the morning and it's like, 443 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: oh you should you know, like go now, see you 444 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: run down there and get gone. 445 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: So when we were in Vegas together, yeah, and we 446 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,239 Speaker 1: had how's he doing? By the way, he's doing well. 447 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: I think he's done. 448 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: I haven't spoken with him and it's probably been a bit, 449 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: but last time I knew I talked to him, he 450 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: was down in in Louisiana, that's where his family's from, 451 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 2: and he was down there flying fifteen's within the Louisiana 452 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: International Guard. 453 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: So if if we had recorded a podcast that night 454 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: we stood up really late. We did the tour bus 455 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: in Vague. We just played a concert. It was it 456 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: was you and me and Tater and maybe a couple 457 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: other guys. But if we had recorded at that would 458 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: have been the greatest podcast of all time because those 459 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,479 Speaker 1: stories were so wild. I don't even know what you 460 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: could tell from that on this podcast, and feel free 461 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: to not share anything. But you guys talking about your 462 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: deployments and talking about the different calls as a firefighter 463 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: that you would get, you know, essentially, and there was 464 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: there were some times when like you guys would be 465 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: and you guys have different deployments, right, I don't think 466 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: you were deployed together, were not, but but you these 467 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: guys would get called in. I'm talking to aim into. 468 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: They would basically get called in and and there would 469 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: be something happening on the ground and aircraft would get 470 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: called in, but not to do anything, but just to 471 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: be there just in case. And and so they're they're 472 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: flying and just circling a situation, right and just listening 473 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: in and read to go and like knowing that they 474 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: can do they could solve this problem right now. But 475 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: the guys on the ground are trying to solve it. 476 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: And they're in the air like I could solve it, 477 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: and they're like no, hold, Like go, okay, we'll keep holding. 478 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: It's eight hours to go by. 479 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we would typically do and that that 480 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 2: kind of mission is called closer support. So the F 481 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 2: twenty two by far As is not the best airplane 482 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 2: for that mission set. We're we're designed for aero combat 483 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: and go into you know her other airplanes. 484 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: That's like an F fifteen F sixteen thing right. 485 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: Yeaheen fifteen, Yeah, like fifteen E is the two seat 486 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: version of the fifteen that's optimized for ady ground. He 487 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: was flying F sixteen's and then F thirty five A ten. 488 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 2: If you ask anybody on the ground, they'd probably gonna 489 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: tell you the E ten is what they would want 490 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 2: for closer support for sure, and then in the Navy 491 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 2: Marine Corps a F eighteen. But yeah, closer support is 492 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: is really you're hanging out and you're waiting to see 493 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 2: if anything you know is needed, and then it goes 494 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: from goes from zero to you know, a thousand miles 495 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: an hour really fast, because you could be you know, 496 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 2: especially like over Amadi, over most of whatever. It is 497 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 2: middle of the night, nothing's happening, and you're like, Okay, 498 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 2: I've been flying now for six hours in this airplane 499 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 2: it's been dark the entire time, and going tune from 500 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: the tanker getting gas every hour, hour and a half, 501 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: and now I'm just like all right, I'm gelt tired, like, 502 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 2: this is all right, we're just orbiting right now. And 503 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: then it goes from that to people on the ground 504 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: are being contacted, and then you need to be able 505 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 2: to work with somebody on the ground to get the 506 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: information that you know, like the targeting information to drop 507 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 2: a weapon at the right time, at the right place. 508 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: And you're doing this all in close proximity friendly forces. 509 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: So if you mess it up like you can potentially 510 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: could kill a lot of people. Yeah, like and people 511 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: on your team. 512 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: So how how what kind of target can you hit 513 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: from from? That was called the F sixteen. 514 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the F sixteen. In Tater's case, you have 515 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 2: a targeting pod. So he could either use laser gutted 516 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 2: weapons where he is using a laser from his airplane 517 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: to illuminate a target. Then he would drop and that 518 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 2: weapon would follow the laser in somebody else could support 519 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 2: it with a laser. He could also drop GPS weapons, 520 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 2: so basically just give it a GPS coordinate. 521 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: So how close of a target could he hit? How 522 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: small of the box could he hit? That's real small? 523 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: I can't I you can't tell me. I could give 524 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: you like the Yeah. 525 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 2: The resolution of the weapons themselves, but like if you 526 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: wanted to put a weapon through a building window like 527 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: on the west side, third floor, you probably could do it. 528 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: You know, Like this is crazy. So they're telling these 529 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: stories and they're just like they're trying to find a 530 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: solution on the ground and they're like I could do it. 531 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: They're like no, you know, hold, he's like telling you 532 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: I could do it. I get in this right now. Yeah. 533 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: And then sometimes they'll also use the airplanes for like 534 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 2: a show of forest show presence. So you know, you 535 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: can imagine if you're on the ground on the bad 536 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: guy side and you see an F sixteen or eight 537 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 2: ten or whatever it is fly overhead real fast, roll low, 538 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 2: making a lot of noise, you're just like you think twice, 539 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: like maybe maybe maybe Nick Tay is not the day 540 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: for this, you know, yeah, for sure. So and that's 541 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: a way for us to use the airplanes to de 542 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: escalate and hopefully allow our folks just some time and 543 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: space to get out of there, you know, because our 544 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: goal really with that mission set is to make sure 545 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 2: there's many American and coalition partners can make it back 546 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: to their families of course, right, Like that's that's the thing, 547 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: and it's well, the twenty two wasn't meant for that 548 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: mission set, and it was designed for area of combat, 549 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 2: and we obviously did not get the preponderance of all 550 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: the missions out there with the F twenty two. I 551 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: really found it incredibly valuable, you know, and I would 552 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 2: just stay out there for as long as they would 553 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 2: have let me, just because it was like, man, people 554 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: are people are going home to their families because what 555 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 2: we're doing, and that's important. 556 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: So when you're flying your deployment in Iraq, did you 557 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: have an Iraq and Syria? So where are you? Where 558 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: is your airfield? 559 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's so it's in the ribbon golf. We 560 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 2: would take us about an hour and a half to 561 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 2: two hours to get to where we need to be 562 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 2: in Iraq or Syria. 563 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: Okay, how how many miles is that? 564 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: Yeah it's probably rough math, probably five hundred miles. 565 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: Okay, So you're sitting five hundred miles away somewhere, yeah, roughly. 566 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: You get called in Saints the middle of the night, 567 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: like the firefighter scenario you builts, say, it's midnight, you've 568 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: just got into bed and you get called you got 569 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: to go, And it might be a twelve hour mission. 570 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 2: That's that's for the the stuff in Alaska we're sitting 571 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: to like intercept airplanes in the Middle East as an example, 572 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 2: we just had twenty four hour presents. So you know, 573 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 2: you'd be assigned Okay, here's your whatever, three four, five, 574 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 2: six hour time slot that you were like, Okay, you're 575 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 2: responsible for this geographic area for this long and then 576 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 2: when you're down with that time, why so somebody else 577 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 2: will replace you and then you'll go back home. So 578 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: that's why I'm saying, like sometimes we'd be up there 579 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 2: to orbiting and nothing would happen. 580 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: So in Alaska, though, when when you're called in at midnight, 581 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: how do you prepare your body? You haven't slept, you're 582 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: you're How expensive is the F twenty two. 583 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 2: I think they're saying about one hundred and fifty. 584 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: Million, one hundred and fifty million dollars aircraft at you know, 585 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: under your control and you haven't slept. 586 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, they do give us empeticians really high quality INFETA means. 587 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: So I just I didn't know if you could say 588 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: that on the podcast, but you said it. We talked 589 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: about tour bus like yeah, go pills like you gotta 590 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: take you got to take a meth pill basically. 591 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 2: So it's a it's got like a medical grade or whatever. 592 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: Whatever. 593 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 2: It's like that. You know, they have to keep positive 594 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: control and who has it to get you know whatever, 595 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 2: because it's a controlled substance. But that's that's one of 596 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: the ways obviously. And then sometimes you know, there's obviously 597 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 2: natural adrenaline too, if you had woken up like the 598 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 2: funny story, we were we were Alaska. This is back 599 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 2: in twenty twelve when I was flying at fifteen. So 600 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 2: we run a two day rotation. So every two days 601 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 2: we'd be at the alert facility and then we'd have 602 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: you know, other folks that were either on standby or 603 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 2: whatever it was. But then you have two days off 604 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 2: as well. So we had buddies gone to the bar, 605 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: you know and whatever, and two o'clock in the morning 606 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,239 Speaker 2: when the bar is closed down, you know, you'd call 607 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 2: the alert facility as like a prank call. You know, 608 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: these guys are sleeping and and you'd prank call them 609 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 2: like scramble, scramble, scramble. You know, you're like, oh, that's 610 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 2: a joke, you know, And so I think it was 611 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: like I think it was jam or third of twenty twelve. 612 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 2: It was somewhere around there because it was cold and 613 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 2: snowy and dark. But the guy I was el sitting 614 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 2: alert with Soup. We were we had gone to bed 615 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: at two o'clock in the morning. The phone rings and 616 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 2: he picks it up and he like he thought it 617 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 2: was a prank. Yeah, and it was definitely not a prank. 618 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: And you're like, oh, shoot, better get ready, you know. 619 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 2: So we throw our stuff on, get the airplane go, 620 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 2: and you do a lot of things like you you know, load. 621 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 2: I would just take beef turkey with me and like 622 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 2: waters and whatever else and keep it in the airplane 623 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 2: because you really don't have time once that call comes in. 624 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: There's sometimes where like they know, okay, in three hours, 625 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 2: we need you to be airborne. But sometimes it's like 626 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 2: not now, but right now, and then you really have 627 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 2: no time to get ready to go. And Soup and 628 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: I took off at like two o'clock in the morning, 629 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: two thirty in the mornings when around there, and I 630 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: remember they like opened the alert facility doors and there's 631 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 2: snowplows like plowing a little pathway for our jets to 632 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 2: go through to the rungway. 633 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: Because the snow was so bad. 634 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: And we were airborne for about twelve hours and it 635 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 2: was and you don't know. 636 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: That it's going to be twelve hours. It might be 637 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: thirty minutes, it could be. 638 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have no idea how long it's going to be. 639 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: So timplately, about twelve hours, they'll like have somebody else 640 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 2: come in and replace you, and you know, roughly, yeah, 641 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 2: you have no idea. So you just take a bunch 642 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: of water, a bunch of a bunch of food, and 643 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 2: then piddle packs. You have to pee at some point, 644 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: so uh, those are those are pretty handy, and then 645 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 2: you just take off and go and we end up. 646 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: It was January, so it was dark and we were 647 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: pretty far north in Alaska, so it was just dark 648 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 2: the entire time, except like the last half hour flight 649 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: where like we could actually start seeing daylight again. That 650 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: was a long night, for sure. 651 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: It is the aircraft monitoring you and your consciousness, and 652 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: you're like it does it know if you fall asleep? 653 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 2: No, there's no like monitoring of you. In terms of 654 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: the airplane itself. There's there's a system in the twenty 655 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: two that that's helpful, and the sixteen has it and 656 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 2: have thirty five has it as well. It's called auto 657 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: GCASS or Auto round Collision Avoidance system. So what that 658 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 2: does is that scenario we talked about earlier, like passing 659 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: out as an example, if I'm fighting and pulling GE's 660 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 2: and I pass out, it may take me, you know, 661 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: twenty thirty seconds to come back to consciousness, and even 662 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: when I do, like, I'm probably not fully there. So 663 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: now we add another thirty seconds, so potentially out for 664 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 2: a minute. And just imagine a fighter jet pointed at 665 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,239 Speaker 2: the ground going full after burner. It's going to go 666 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: real fast, so like, you know, like that's bad, and 667 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: the autogcast system allows the airplane to recognize, okay, you 668 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 2: have told me I don't want to go blow a 669 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: thousand feet today. As an example, if the airplane recognizes 670 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 2: it's going to go blow a thousand feet given the 671 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: current parameters, it'll start recovering. 672 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: For you. 673 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 2: That saved countless lives because I've lost good friends who 674 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 2: have passed away because of that scenario described and like, 675 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: and this system is saving lives, which is amazing. So 676 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: there are things like that, but in terms of like 677 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 2: just he dozed off, went to sleep, there's nothing that 678 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 2: you know, tells the airplane, Hey he's asleep. 679 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: Wow. I'm like really struggling with what I should ask 680 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: and what I shouldn't ask. But I guess you could 681 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: always just say I can't answer that. But did you 682 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: did you end up in air to air combat situations? No? 683 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: I mean the last time that well, that's not true. 684 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 2: That's that's changed recently. But the air to air world, 685 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: like fighter jets against fighter jets, yeah, is not very 686 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 2: common anymore. 687 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: When you think it doesn't seem like it. 688 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 2: No, yeah, you know world War two. I mean we 689 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: had we built I think fifteen thousand people do one 690 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: of Mustangs. We built one hundred and ninety five f 691 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: twenty twos. So scale wise just very different. And these 692 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: airplanes are very expensive. So if we use one hundred 693 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 2: fifty million dollars airplane to shoot down let's say, trying 694 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: to Russia whoever, right, I'm. 695 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: Not yeah, forecast, Yeah, we have some variety. 696 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 2: If we shoot down with an airplanes with our one 697 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 2: hundred fifty million dollar airplane, that becomes a real big deal. 698 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 2: So that the stakes of like using those airplanes in 699 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 2: that capacity are pretty high, and it sounds a very 700 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: big signal on the international stage. So and also when 701 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 2: you're in the adversary and finding against a raptor, it's 702 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 2: it's not they're not go at odds, So you're like, 703 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 2: that's probably not a good idea. You know, We've had 704 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: people intercept Iranian fighters for example. It's open source. You 705 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 2: can readround the news of like intercepting Iranian fighters and 706 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 2: had no idea they were there, no idea the raptors 707 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 2: were there. They just were on there, you know, on 708 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 2: the Merry Way, and had no idea the raptors just 709 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 2: sitting right there next to them, just raptor just showed 710 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 2: up next to them. Yeah, they had no idea. So 711 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 2: it's just not it's not common because there's such a 712 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: there's such an asymmetric you know, difference between our capabilities 713 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 2: and most other countries out there in the world. So 714 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 2: it's mostly been air ground. We have intercepted, like we 715 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 2: mentioned before, like other you know, you know, avasary airplanes 716 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 2: in Alaska in the Middle East intercepted, but never had 717 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: to like shoot anything back and forth at each other. 718 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: So you said earlier that the twenty two was literally 719 00:31:54,560 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: built for air to air combat, yep. But yet still 720 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: you haven't really used it because you haven't had to. 721 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: I guess because it was made I guess you could 722 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: say it was made so well, yeah, for the purpose 723 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: it was made for that no one wants to go 724 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: against it. 725 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a massive deterrent for for aggression, 726 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 2: which is you know, I mean you obviously know tons 727 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 2: of people in the military, and I think, uh, I 728 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 2: feel pretty confident saying this is the unanimous across most 729 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 2: people in the military, Like nobody that's gone to combat 730 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: wants to go to combat in terms of like, we 731 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 2: don't want to see loss of life. We don't want 732 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 2: to see innocent pop being hurt like that, and that's 733 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 2: a bioproduct of combat like that that will happen. 734 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: It's happened in. 735 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 2: Every every historical battle where n s people are hurt, 736 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 2: and none of us want that. So if we can 737 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 2: de escalate, if we can use we can say like hey, 738 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: our airplane is that good? Probably not a good idea 739 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: for you guys to try this, and it deters them 740 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: from aggression, then like we win, you know, like we won, 741 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 2: we got the objective accomplished, and nobody got hurt in 742 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 2: the process, which is great. 743 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: It's you know, it's it's a there's. 744 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 2: A fine balance there, right. My uncle pitched professionally, player 745 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 2: professionally for a while, and he was like, hell, you 746 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 2: like flying jets, And I was like, I love flying 747 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 2: jets the fifteen. I've twenty two amazing airplanes. So imagine 748 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: being in the major leagues, being a pitcher and being 749 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 2: the bullpen for twenty years, never pitching one ending like coach, 750 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 2: put me in, Like put me in, coach, I. 751 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: Want to play, you know. 752 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: And that's that's kind of the air to air world 753 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 2: is because it hasn't been used in so long, because 754 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 2: the airplanes are so good that there is there is 755 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 2: this fine balance of like, I know we have amazing capabilities, 756 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,239 Speaker 2: but I also know, like if we have to use them, 757 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 2: if I have to use an after two in combat, 758 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 2: like things have gone sideways, Yeah, it's. 759 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: Probably really bad. 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You ever see anything really weird 799 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: out there my UFOs? Maybe? Maybe not? Well, we could 800 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 1: start with just saying drones we're seeing, like the weird lights. 801 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 2: I mean, do you know I haven't seen any UFOs 802 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 2: that I'm aware of, like they I know, like I 803 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 2: haven't seen any that I'm aware of. I have seen 804 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 2: drones flying before, and that's obviously that's that's obviously not 805 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 2: great because they oppose a pretty significant rest to the airplanes, 806 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 2: especially at air shows. 807 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: You know. Oh yeah, man, we were in I flew the. 808 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 2: Air show in Chicago in twenty twenty two and there's 809 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 2: a there's a drone that happened like that started flying 810 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 2: like right after our show was done, and it was 811 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 2: just like stopped everything because like we can't risk obviously 812 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 2: all these hundreds of thousands of people in Chicago on 813 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 2: the on the shoreline there, you know, potentially get damaged 814 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 2: because this airplane hits a drone and then it goes 815 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 2: out of control. 816 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: Or whatever it is. 817 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely, like there's it's interesting. The drone stuff 818 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 2: is very interesting. And if you've kept track of the 819 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 2: war in Ukraine and how that's going and progressing with 820 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 2: how they're using commercial off the shelf very inexpensive you know, 821 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 2: like radio shot kind of drones to very high effectiveness rates. 822 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 2: It changes the damag quite a bit. And yeah, you 823 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 2: know there's a there's a company called Firestorm in San Diego. 824 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 2: They're they're doing amazing work and Dan is the CEO 825 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 2: and his team is like basical they're makes making these 826 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 2: like amazing drones that are like three D printed in 827 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 2: a in a like a cond of a shipping container 828 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 2: that you can stop off and print. 829 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: These things on the. 830 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 2: Front line are our service members can have very little 831 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 2: training to be able to operate these. They click together 832 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 2: like legos that they're just they're very, very awesome. So 833 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 2: I think we're adapting to that drone that drone fight. 834 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 2: It's just I don't think anybody realized how widespread it 835 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 2: was going to be until we saw it unfold in 836 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 2: Ukraine and Russia and realized, like, hey, things are changing 837 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 2: and we need to change with them. 838 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: So that you typically always in history it's it's certain 839 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: conflicts that push forward a certain technology. 840 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,399 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think it's also for us. I think 841 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 2: in some ways very fortunate that we get to see 842 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 2: this unfold somewhere else and we're not involved in terms 843 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 2: of like directly involved with it. Obviously we've we've given 844 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 2: funds and et cetera, but like being directly involved, we're 845 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 2: not having to learn that lesson and pay, and you know, 846 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 2: pay with American blood if you will. So I think 847 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,439 Speaker 2: one of the problems we have with was really anything, 848 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 2: but I think the military specifically, and it's a higher 849 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 2: stake I think in that scenario is like we plan 850 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 2: for the last war. We don't plan for the next war. 851 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is you look at 852 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,760 Speaker 2: the F twenty two as an example, an amazing airplane. 853 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 2: It competed against the YF twenty three at the time, 854 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 2: which you know, I don't have all the data for, 855 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 2: but looking at the airplane, it appeared to be more stealthy, 856 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 2: it was a bigger airplane, appeared to carry more weapons, 857 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 2: more fuel, all these things. And we went with the 858 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 2: F twenty two specifically because it was very maneuverable, and 859 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 2: there were other couple of factors as well, but it 860 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 2: was like the super like cool maneuverable fighter jet that 861 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 2: the generals were like, we just finished the Cold War, 862 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 2: this is what we want. We want this really cool 863 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 2: maneuverable fighter jet. And it's amazing, Like it absolutely is amazing. 864 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 2: But they were thinking about how do we fight the 865 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 2: Cold War in Europe. We don't need these massive distances 866 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 2: to be covered like we need, you know, high performance, 867 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 2: short distance kind of fighter, and the F twenty two 868 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 2: is all those things. When you look at the fight 869 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 2: in Asia, General Hawk Carlile talked about it in the 870 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 2: Tyranny of distance and how like, unless you've been to Asia. 871 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 2: You have no idea how vast it is. 872 00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: It is huge. 873 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 2: You know, go from Anchorage to Japan's like ten hours, 874 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 2: another ten hours to get to Australia. You know, these 875 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 2: are massive distances. And any think about that airplane that 876 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 2: what would be helpful for that? It may or may 877 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 2: not be that twenty two, you know, And but we 878 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 2: were planning for the previous conflict, not planning for the 879 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 2: next one. So I just you know, I think in 880 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,919 Speaker 2: the drone scenario, we're seeing it unfold elsewhere and we're 881 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 2: able to plan for what we foresee happening in the future. 882 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 2: You know, we're like skating to the puck as opposed 883 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 2: to waiting for the waiting for the puck where we're at, 884 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 2: you know, which I think is good and hopefully we'll 885 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 2: will help us if you know, Kno Gona Wood, nothing happens, 886 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 2: but if it does happen, we'll be more prepared than 887 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 2: we would be otherwise. 888 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: And how close are we for unmanned aircraft to be 889 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: the main aircraft. 890 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 2: I don't I don't know how close are that. I 891 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 2: think we'll have mant That's why I got outkid. 892 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:53,399 Speaker 1: The wall. 893 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we'll do man unmanned teams for a while. 894 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 2: There are airplanes their programs out there see which is 895 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 2: basically a companion aircraft that goes with a man fighter aircraft, 896 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 2: and I think that'll be good. I think, you know, 897 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 2: I think fundamentally there's a trust element, right especially with airplanes. 898 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 2: Can you imagine two hundred people getting on a delta 899 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 2: airplane with no pilot? Not right now, I can not 900 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 2: right now? Right people just trust factors like I don't 901 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 2: trust it. But like in terms of scale, you have 902 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 2: people getting their Tesla's full self driving and just going 903 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 2: down the road no care in the world. Yeah, so 904 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 2: they're trusting a computer to operate a car, but they 905 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 2: won't trust to operate an airplane. And I think it's 906 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 2: the same thing. We transpose that to military aviation, where 907 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 2: it's like, I know the computers is going to do 908 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 2: a great job. It's all these things. But if there 909 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 2: is if there's the decision of taking or preserving life 910 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,879 Speaker 2: that needs to be made, I want a human making 911 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 2: that decision. I don't want to computer and making that decision. 912 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 2: And I think that's that's going to be the that's 913 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,720 Speaker 2: going to be the hurdle that we have to overcome 914 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 2: over time, and I think eventually we'll get there. And 915 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,799 Speaker 2: the phrase I've heard is like human on the loop 916 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,879 Speaker 2: as opposed to human in the loop, where I'm actively making, 917 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 2: you know, making decisions, where I'm just like human on 918 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 2: the loop, monitoring what's happening, and then if I have 919 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 2: to step in, it will, But otherwise I'm sure to 920 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 2: let it do its thing. And I think it'll be 921 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 2: an evolution of that. But I think for for man 922 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 2: fighters will have them for a while longer. I don't 923 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 2: know how long that's going to be, but I just 924 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 2: I think in the future of combat, if our abbasaries 925 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 2: are not using man fighters, we potentially could be at 926 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:23,760 Speaker 2: a disadvantage. 927 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: If we tell you too, that's a good point, you. 928 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 2: Know, because and it's all you know, a computer is 929 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,399 Speaker 2: gonna do things that you and I would not think 930 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,399 Speaker 2: make any sense. If you and iron airplanes were fighting, 931 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 2: duking it out, at no point would you consider just 932 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 2: running your airplane into my airplane. But a computer maybe like, well, 933 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 2: here's how much gas I have, Here's how far is 934 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 2: to get home. I don't have enough gas to get home. 935 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 2: The next logical thing for me to do is to 936 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 2: use airplane to run that airplane to take out of 937 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,359 Speaker 2: the fight. Yeah, you know, and you're just like you're 938 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 2: fighting this thing, like that's just that's just the thing 939 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 2: you would never consider as human being. 940 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. 941 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,439 Speaker 2: So so I just think, you know, they're a natural 942 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 2: evolution of things, and we either, you know, either adapt 943 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 2: or we don't. And obviously my vote isn't adapting. 944 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 1: So why did you get up? 945 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 2: A variety of reasons? Quite a few. Actually, I was 946 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 2: very thankful for the time I had in I did 947 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 2: about fifteen years and two months ACTI duty and then 948 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,919 Speaker 2: I'm still serving part time with Then about it International Guard. 949 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 2: There were a couple of things air force wise, like 950 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 2: structurally and like leadership wise and culture wise that I 951 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 2: just was not super keen keenon. And to me, the 952 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 2: next path for me activity wise was to go be 953 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 2: in charge of different squadrons. You know, I was running 954 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 2: thetenty two demo team, which which is amazing. It's like 955 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 2: fourteen people, you have almost one hundred percent autonomy on 956 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 2: the road you're in charge with, you know, in charge 957 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 2: of three hundred million dollars with the airplanes and these 958 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 2: people to go travel around the globe to do this show. 959 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 2: It's like I'd imagine it's like being on tour where 960 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 2: you're like every weekend you're gone somewhere new doing this 961 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 2: show and talking to people and this whole thing. And 962 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 2: that was amazing, And the leadership side of that I 963 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 2: thought was really impactful because you connect with people on 964 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 2: a personal level and you're on the road. You see 965 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 2: you know the stressors that happen with people being on 966 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 2: the roaway from their families for a long period of time, 967 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 2: and you have to like help solve those things while 968 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 2: also having a mission balancing that and you have a 969 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 2: lot of autonomy. If the airplane's break, like it's up 970 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 2: to you and your team if they either get fixed 971 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 2: on time or not. And turns out most airport air 972 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 2: Force baces in the States don't. They don't work on 973 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 2: Saturdays and Sundays. He's a Monday, Monday through Friday things. 974 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 2: So when you have an air show on the weekends 975 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 2: and your part breaks, you're like, well, shoot, I've got 976 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 2: to you know, we got to figure out a way 977 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 2: to get apart. And that's that has included me and 978 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 2: the superintendent at the time driving fifteen hours to meet 979 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 2: somebody halfway to pick apart, then drive back to South 980 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,800 Speaker 2: Padre Island, Texas to fix it, and then fly that 981 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 2: show the next day. But those those problems a man skills, 982 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 2: I think were amazing. So I was very thankful that 983 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 2: I had that experience going on. Though there are some 984 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 2: things that I just had reservations about and being then 985 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,760 Speaker 2: put into a responsibility position of a squadron as an example, 986 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 2: it was like, I can't, I can't good conscience say 987 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,839 Speaker 2: these things and do these things if I don't feel 988 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 2: aligned with that. That was just a moral conflict for me, 989 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 2: internal like internal conflict, I would say. It was like, 990 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 2: there's things I'm like, I'm not really on board here, and. 991 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,839 Speaker 1: There an example the can you not sign? I mean, 992 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: I could respect if you don't want to. Yeah, you know. 993 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,759 Speaker 2: I don't want to jump into it too much because 994 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 2: I'm still like, still sure in the air forces capacity, 995 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 2: I do think there was a too I guess make 996 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 2: it as simple like I guess as generic as possible. 997 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 2: I feel like our focus went away from killing things 998 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 2: and breaking stuff and across all services Air Force and Evey, 999 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,840 Speaker 2: Marine Corps, Space Force, coastcar like and all these like 1000 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 2: that's at the root, at the root of it, like 1001 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,800 Speaker 2: that is our job. We don't want to have to 1002 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,840 Speaker 2: do it right, we want to we don't want to 1003 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 2: kill stuff and breaking stuff. Well it's like you know, 1004 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 2: national defense, right, Yeah, I got you, so like that 1005 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 2: that is our job at the end of the day, okay. 1006 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 2: And there were some things that to try from that, 1007 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 2: and I just it's a zero sime game. We either 1008 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 2: spend time getting really good hoping that we never have 1009 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 2: to use it, or we spend time on a lot 1010 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 2: of other things, and then when we actually are tested. 1011 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: We're not good enough. And that is terrifying to hear 1012 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: you say that. 1013 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 2: The impact like impacts everybody across the country, you know. 1014 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 2: And and the vast majority of my family moved here 1015 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 2: from Cuba. They came here with second and third G educations, 1016 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 2: three kids didn't speak the language, got here, worked incredibly hard, 1017 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 2: and provided a life for their family. And I'm so 1018 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 2: incredibly thankful to be born here. And I love this 1019 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 2: country a lot, like it's it's just the land that 1020 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 2: provides so many opportunities for so many countless people and 1021 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 2: has done so for decades and decades and decades. So 1022 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 2: to me, like I want to make sure that I'm 1023 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 2: in line with leaving this place better than how I 1024 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 2: found it. And now that I have, you know, an 1025 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,839 Speaker 2: eight week old little dude, I want to make sure 1026 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 2: that I leave this place better than you know, better 1027 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 2: for him as well as he grows up. And so 1028 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,680 Speaker 2: there were some there were some conflicts I had in 1029 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 2: terms of where we were going as an organization. And 1030 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 2: then also a really good friend of mine, Brian Phillips, 1031 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:17,320 Speaker 2: he flies a fifteen's and he asked me when I 1032 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 2: first started the demo team job. He was like, hey, man, 1033 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 2: this is a two year thing. You have a really 1034 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,799 Speaker 2: interesting story. Your your folks. You know vast majoriya family 1035 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 2: moved here from Cuba, you grew up your first thingguage 1036 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 2: of Spanish. You know, you go to the Air Force Academy. 1037 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 2: You've lost both parents, lost his sister. Like You've all 1038 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,360 Speaker 2: these things have happened to you in your life, but 1039 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,800 Speaker 2: you've still found a way to be successful. It's like 1040 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 2: you should really consider, like what is important to you 1041 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,279 Speaker 2: and what do you want to look back at when 1042 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 2: you're eight years old, Like what do you want to 1043 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:51,640 Speaker 2: be proud of? And I don't really get hung up 1044 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 2: on the word legacy. A whole lot, because to me, 1045 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,799 Speaker 2: legacy is somewhat ego driven. It's like, how's the world 1046 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 2: going to like you know, you me and I realized 1047 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 2: in two three generations to my name, and it's not 1048 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 2: going to matter to anybody at that point in time. 1049 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,759 Speaker 2: It's like, how do you impact the people around you? 1050 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,560 Speaker 2: And how do they change and live their lives as 1051 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 2: a result of your impact? And it could be negative 1052 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 2: or positive, but like that impact is like an internal 1053 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 2: like I know I had a positive effect on somebody, 1054 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,279 Speaker 2: and that positiveffect I don't even know what's gonna happen, 1055 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,160 Speaker 2: Like I don't know how it's going to propagate the 1056 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 2: next generations. I have no idea, but I know it's 1057 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 2: a good impact, and I'm happy with that. Right and 1058 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 2: when I'm eighty, like what am I going to be 1059 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,800 Speaker 2: proud of and happy about? So I thought about that, 1060 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,800 Speaker 2: and part of that is really how do I shape 1061 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,759 Speaker 2: the next generation of American youth to leave this place 1062 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,719 Speaker 2: better than I found it? And there are a couple 1063 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,839 Speaker 2: of lines of effort. There's a five, ten, fifteen year 1064 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 2: game plan for this because I think it's it's a 1065 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 2: thing that I want to commit to you for a 1066 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 2: long time in the near term, going to start off 1067 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 2: with the basically a flying podcast, and we're going to 1068 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,680 Speaker 2: do to peop up in an aerobatic airplane that goes 1069 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 2: to Sedan, all those things. And I think there's something 1070 00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,000 Speaker 2: magical about flight where if you've never flown an airplane 1071 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,440 Speaker 2: and you go up there and I let you fly it, 1072 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,319 Speaker 2: like I'm flying this airplane. I didn't think I could 1073 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 2: do it before, but now I'm doing it, and I'm 1074 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,320 Speaker 2: upside down. I'm doing these things right. But you have 1075 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 2: a conversation about really it's focused on younger adults, So 1076 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,279 Speaker 2: eighteen to twenty five is demographic I'm looking at, and 1077 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 2: I really want to find really impressive young adults who 1078 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 2: overcome hard things and how they used faith, family, at 1079 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,840 Speaker 2: the military, working out, academia, Like there are tons of 1080 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,840 Speaker 2: things they could have used to get past that obstacle 1081 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 2: in their life, but what do they use, how do 1082 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 2: they use it, and how can we share that information 1083 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,520 Speaker 2: to other young kids? And a fifteen years old and 1084 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,400 Speaker 2: it ultimately like there could be a sixty year old 1085 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 2: person out there who's incredibly successful and could have come 1086 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,840 Speaker 2: from the exact same circumstances. However, it's not relatable anymore, 1087 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,359 Speaker 2: you know. And I realized as a thirty eight year 1088 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 2: old guy, like, I'm not relatable to fifteen year old 1089 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,720 Speaker 2: kid anymore. I remember when I was going to college, 1090 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 2: some of my instructors were like my age, and I 1091 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 2: was like, dude, are they they kicking the bucket next week? 1092 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,759 Speaker 2: I don't know, like they're pretty old. Yeah, And now 1093 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,800 Speaker 2: I'm that person, right, And it's like, Okay, I'm not 1094 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,799 Speaker 2: relatable to fifteen year old anymore. But if I find 1095 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,680 Speaker 2: somebody that demographed age wise, is close to them like that, 1096 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,800 Speaker 2: that's how we meet them where they're at, you know. 1097 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 2: We find somebody that that speaks our language, understands the 1098 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,160 Speaker 2: way they grew up. You know, sixty year old spent 1099 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 2: two thirds of their life without the internet, without cell phones. 1100 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, like what was that like? 1101 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,399 Speaker 2: You know, and you have to go back and pull 1102 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,320 Speaker 2: back some memories to remember what that was like. And 1103 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 2: kids nowadays have no idea what that was like. So 1104 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,880 Speaker 2: how do you relate to them in a way they understand, 1105 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 2: in a way that's impactful, in a way that can 1106 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,840 Speaker 2: help them change the vectory of their life, you know, 1107 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,359 Speaker 2: into a positive way. So that's the first line of effort. 1108 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 2: There's some other stuff later on, but it'll be the 1109 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:34,239 Speaker 2: first line effort. 1110 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,959 Speaker 1: Sounds like there's a lot kind of going on behind 1111 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:36,360 Speaker 1: the curtain. 1112 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff. Yeah, and I'm very excited, 1113 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 2: you know. But that was that was one of the 1114 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 2: main driving factors as well, in addition what I mentioned 1115 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,000 Speaker 2: about the Air Force in general, Like that's one of 1116 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 2: the big factors for me that I just looked at 1117 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,920 Speaker 2: the five years of time, like, yeah, the easy buttonist 1118 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,920 Speaker 2: to send the military for five more years, get my retirement, 1119 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,799 Speaker 2: and like go off to other things. And I just thought, well, 1120 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 2: that's five years of opportunity costs and I'm missing that. 1121 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,799 Speaker 2: I could be doing something else impacting, you know, other 1122 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,680 Speaker 2: people in a positive way. And life takes these twists 1123 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,239 Speaker 2: and turns, and you know, get married, have a little kid, 1124 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,400 Speaker 2: like it's just life spins that it does, you know, 1125 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 2: and and you just you appreciate it for the twists 1126 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 2: and turns, you know. And and sometimes there are things 1127 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 2: that happen, like whether it's serious stuff or inconsequential stuff. 1128 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 2: For the time I was little kid, I want to 1129 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 2: fly fifteens. At pilot training, there were no fifteens available 1130 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,960 Speaker 2: to the point where like on my dream sheet of 1131 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,640 Speaker 2: like what I want to fly, I put on fifteen 1132 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,520 Speaker 2: one through like twenty six or whatever it was. My 1133 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 2: flag commander looked at me. He was like he was 1134 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,880 Speaker 2: an fifteen guy, and he's like, this is hilarious. I 1135 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,719 Speaker 2: appreciate it because I love the fifteen two, but you 1136 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 2: have to give the other options. I was like, okay, fifteen, 1137 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,160 Speaker 2: eight ten, and I don't care whatever happens. The next 1138 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,280 Speaker 2: you know, there were no fifteens available. There were eightens available, 1139 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,560 Speaker 2: So I got eighten out of pilot training actually, and 1140 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,080 Speaker 2: then four months go by and there were two guys 1141 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,799 Speaker 2: that wanted eight tens that got F fifteen's. There were 1142 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,400 Speaker 2: some switch that happened and a flying fifteens. But my 1143 00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 2: point with that is like had I gone to fift 1144 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,560 Speaker 2: and ease or F sixteen's, I never had to flow 1145 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,920 Speaker 2: in the fifteen which they are planning. I wanted to 1146 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,120 Speaker 2: fly as a little kid. I would have never flown 1147 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,000 Speaker 2: up twenty two, never done the demo job, wouldn't be 1148 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,080 Speaker 2: where I'm at right now. Like unfortunately, you know, like 1149 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,640 Speaker 2: they're there are things in life that just don't go 1150 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,520 Speaker 2: our way at the time, and we're like, I don't 1151 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 2: understand why, and slowly they'll reveal themselves to you. And 1152 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,440 Speaker 2: sometimes it takes a lot of times, sometimes it takes 1153 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:21,919 Speaker 2: four months. 1154 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 1: You have a faith, I do. 1155 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,560 Speaker 2: I was raised, uh, I was raised Roman Catholic, probably 1156 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:28,759 Speaker 2: like most of every there. 1157 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have not been. 1158 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,399 Speaker 2: Actually I really want to go. For for multiple reasons, 1159 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,880 Speaker 2: I can't go right now. One affiliation with the military obviously, 1160 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,400 Speaker 2: and two there's some just like I don't want I 1161 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,319 Speaker 2: don't want that government to have a single cent on money. 1162 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: You know. 1163 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,600 Speaker 2: It's kind of that. My grandfather is a He was 1164 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,759 Speaker 2: a mechanic for like fifty years his life, and he 1165 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,560 Speaker 2: only only ever bought Craftsman tools. He was like, it's 1166 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,600 Speaker 2: not made America. I don't want it, you know. And 1167 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,399 Speaker 2: this is a guy that would not he wouldn't even 1168 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,600 Speaker 2: drink vodka. He's like, that's a communist drink. Yeah, like 1169 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 2: this is in Sweden. He's like outcare, you know, and 1170 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,880 Speaker 2: it's very he's just very principal in that way. And 1171 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,640 Speaker 2: so yeah, I would love to go visit. But yeah, 1172 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 2: So I was raised Roman Catholic growing up and continue 1173 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,880 Speaker 2: that faith, and you know, I think living around the 1174 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,360 Speaker 2: globe has exposed me to a lot of other religions. 1175 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,040 Speaker 2: And one of the things that I've I've found, at 1176 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,760 Speaker 2: least my interpretation, is that there's so many common threads 1177 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,600 Speaker 2: across the major religions on the globe, Like and at 1178 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:28,239 Speaker 2: the end of the day, like. 1179 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 1: What do I still read? 1180 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,239 Speaker 2: I still read the Bible, that's the that's the text 1181 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,600 Speaker 2: I choose to read. But there's so many common threads, 1182 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,000 Speaker 2: And I feel like religion in some capacities has has 1183 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,439 Speaker 2: gotten people in the place where they're like, well they're 1184 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:41,919 Speaker 2: not the way they don't believe the way I believe, 1185 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,400 Speaker 2: so for it must be at conflict. And there's so 1186 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,719 Speaker 2: many things about being a good human. There's like just 1187 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,799 Speaker 2: even ten commandments, Like there's so many things that are 1188 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,120 Speaker 2: just common threads about being good human, taking care of 1189 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,640 Speaker 2: your neighbor, tak care of family that I deeply appreciate. 1190 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,960 Speaker 2: I think my the thing that just has I guess 1191 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,440 Speaker 2: bothered me not about my faith in religion, but just 1192 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,000 Speaker 2: about globally is like how people use religion as a 1193 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,600 Speaker 2: weapon to hurt other people, and that, to me is 1194 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 2: is his travesty. 1195 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,439 Speaker 1: I stand in line with that as well. It's orrible 1196 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,319 Speaker 1: for people to take to take that. I mean, it's 1197 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,200 Speaker 1: if you if you believe there's a God, then you 1198 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,719 Speaker 1: would believe there's there's also an adversary to God, and 1199 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,359 Speaker 1: it's only from the adversary that to use God as 1200 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: a weapon. I mean that that that's that's not an 1201 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,680 Speaker 1: argument against religion. That's that's a testament to there is 1202 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,759 Speaker 1: a God, because there wouldn't be so much controversy over 1203 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,719 Speaker 1: it if there wasn't. But there's als there's obviously a 1204 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,560 Speaker 1: force pushing against it. Have you ever been in a 1205 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,800 Speaker 1: cockpit at a time and looked up into the stars 1206 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,000 Speaker 1: and just thought about your smallness? I mean, surely you've 1207 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,799 Speaker 1: been in places on this globe where no other human 1208 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,520 Speaker 1: has been. Yeah, I have. 1209 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,680 Speaker 2: And do you want to address the point you mentioned 1210 00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,120 Speaker 2: just now, because I think it's an important one where 1211 00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,160 Speaker 2: I think a lot of folks in the military who 1212 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,759 Speaker 2: either raised in some religious capacity, they go to the 1213 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,319 Speaker 2: military and they see horrible things. 1214 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:05,960 Speaker 1: You know. 1215 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,799 Speaker 2: I have friends from high school that enlisted the Army 1216 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,480 Speaker 2: and lists the Marines and have seen horrible things and 1217 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,279 Speaker 2: it makes them question their faith because they're like, well, 1218 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,440 Speaker 2: how can this happen? If there's a god, and I 1219 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,160 Speaker 2: think you brought up, you know, a great point where 1220 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:24,080 Speaker 2: it's like there's a counter force there. I mean Roum's 1221 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,000 Speaker 2: twelve twenty one, I think is an important one, you know, 1222 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,360 Speaker 2: like it's just like, do not be overcome by evil, 1223 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,560 Speaker 2: but overcome evil with good, and it lets you know 1224 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 2: there's a balance there. There is a good and a 1225 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,680 Speaker 2: bad and you have to understand that there are bad 1226 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,200 Speaker 2: things that happen, but they are also good things that happen, 1227 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,759 Speaker 2: and there's this balance there and you have to choose, 1228 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,920 Speaker 2: and I choose the good, you know. And I just 1229 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,479 Speaker 2: I say that because I've met a lot of folks 1230 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,040 Speaker 2: in the military who have lost their faith as a 1231 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,560 Speaker 2: result of their service, and it's been disheartening to see. 1232 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:59,960 Speaker 1: For sure, I understand that, but the logically, I continue 1233 00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:01,440 Speaker 1: to to go back on this podcast to like the 1234 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,440 Speaker 1: logical argument, but to say something evil happened. Therefore I 1235 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,160 Speaker 1: cannot believe there's a god. Is going from one worldview 1236 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,440 Speaker 1: to another one, and the other worldview that they go 1237 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,839 Speaker 1: to also doesn't have an answer to evil either. If 1238 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,520 Speaker 1: we're all just you know, come from pondscum and we've 1239 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,920 Speaker 1: all evolved, then the problem of evil is not solved 1240 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,719 Speaker 1: with that. Either. There's still an evil that we can't 1241 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:28,000 Speaker 1: explain that happens within the human heart that starts that 1242 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,920 Speaker 1: wants to kill and still and destroy other humans. And 1243 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:37,960 Speaker 1: just from a pure scientific evolutionary background, that doesn't explain 1244 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,880 Speaker 1: it either. In fact, I think it makes least sense 1245 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,680 Speaker 1: from an atheist perspective. It makes more sense if you say, 1246 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,840 Speaker 1: there is a god, and there is a purpose, and 1247 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,040 Speaker 1: there is a way, and there is an adversary. And 1248 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,880 Speaker 1: just as in any great movie or any great novel, 1249 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,840 Speaker 1: there is no story unless there is our two forces 1250 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,520 Speaker 1: that are counteracting each other. 1251 00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the like you said, there is an adversary, 1252 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,719 Speaker 2: and I wish there were more. Obviously this hope and 1253 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,880 Speaker 2: hope iss not get a game plan, but you know, 1254 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,239 Speaker 2: I wish more people from multiple faithce realize there's there 1255 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,600 Speaker 2: is a common good, there is common ground, and we 1256 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:22,680 Speaker 2: may believe slight differently, like there is there is good 1257 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,880 Speaker 2: and there's evil, you know, and there's there's good in 1258 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,319 Speaker 2: all of us, and there's there's bad in all of us. 1259 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,080 Speaker 2: Like it's just there's there's this fighting force, right that 1260 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:30,880 Speaker 2: we have to contend with and we have to choose. 1261 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's like that's been my biggest 1262 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,080 Speaker 2: the biggest thing that I've I've seen at least traveling 1263 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,840 Speaker 2: around the globe is like a little bit concerning of 1264 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,120 Speaker 2: like how you know, it can go back two thousand years, 1265 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,200 Speaker 2: how it's been the case where we use religion in 1266 00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,920 Speaker 2: a negative way to hurt people, and it's like, shoot man, 1267 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 2: like this is not this is not meant for that, 1268 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:50,840 Speaker 2: you know, to. 1269 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,600 Speaker 1: Ever to ever think that from a biblical perspective. Now 1270 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,480 Speaker 1: there are other religions that would definitely advocate for violence, yep. 1271 00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:01,799 Speaker 1: But to read the Bible and to end up at 1272 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,320 Speaker 1: the very end of Revelation, at the end of the 1273 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,440 Speaker 1: New Testament, and to close it and go, well, I'm 1274 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,520 Speaker 1: going to fight to kill some people, then you need 1275 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,240 Speaker 1: to go back and start. You've completely missed it completely. 1276 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,160 Speaker 1: When Jesus says, love your enemies, do good to those 1277 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,040 Speaker 1: who hate you, turn the other cheek. To see a 1278 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:23,160 Speaker 1: man at the epicenter of the Christian faith, to see 1279 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:29,240 Speaker 1: a man on a cross being killed and praying to 1280 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,960 Speaker 1: the Father saying, forgive them. They know not what they do, 1281 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,880 Speaker 1: and the very act of him dying on that cross 1282 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,160 Speaker 1: is to forgive the men that were killing him. To 1283 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,480 Speaker 1: take that idea and to think that that means we 1284 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,600 Speaker 1: should go to war, for this is a complete atrocity 1285 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,800 Speaker 1: misunderstanding of what Jesus came to do and say to 1286 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: bring his people to God. So sorry I took a tangent. 1287 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,720 Speaker 1: You had a question. I'm glad you did, but from 1288 00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,160 Speaker 1: a pilot's perspective, Oh yeah, you asked me if I've 1289 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,640 Speaker 1: ever liked Actually, don't want to go there yet because 1290 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,440 Speaker 1: now I want. I wanted to say one more thing 1291 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,360 Speaker 1: to this conversation. There's the whole epicurious idea of and 1292 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,240 Speaker 1: what what's happening to your buddies is. It's the the 1293 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:15,800 Speaker 1: epicurious idea of if there is a god and he 1294 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:21,080 Speaker 1: is all powerful, then why doesn't he stop evil? And 1295 00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,360 Speaker 1: if he's not, then he's benevolent. He's if he doesn't 1296 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,880 Speaker 1: want to stop it, then he's benevolent. If he can't 1297 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,520 Speaker 1: stop it, then he's not all powerful. But the problem 1298 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,360 Speaker 1: is that there still is evil, so that means there 1299 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,040 Speaker 1: must not be a god but that but that's wrong 1300 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,600 Speaker 1: thinking because there is that there is another option to this. 1301 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,960 Speaker 1: If we believe there is a god and he is 1302 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,280 Speaker 1: all powerful and he and he is all knowing, and 1303 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,760 Speaker 1: he is good. Okay, Because if if he was all 1304 00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,400 Speaker 1: powerful and evil still existed, that means he would be 1305 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,480 Speaker 1: he would be bad un less unless he allowed evil 1306 00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,520 Speaker 1: for the purpose of good. And that's the part that's 1307 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,560 Speaker 1: never understood. What if God is working for a greater 1308 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,680 Speaker 1: good all along and for the accomplishment of a greater good, 1309 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:12,120 Speaker 1: evil does exist so that it could be overcome. And 1310 00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,960 Speaker 1: we see this, you'll know this. And just a few 1311 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,000 Speaker 1: years with your boy as you have to discipline him 1312 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,160 Speaker 1: or if he does or there's going to be times 1313 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,800 Speaker 1: when you let him get into trouble on purpose so 1314 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,960 Speaker 1: that he sees the lesson of the greater good. But 1315 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,800 Speaker 1: you're all what, You've never left him. You always know 1316 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,520 Speaker 1: what's going on. You're always there for his good. But 1317 00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,320 Speaker 1: the existence of evil doesn't automatically mean either there is 1318 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,440 Speaker 1: no God or God's bad, because what people often forget 1319 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,760 Speaker 1: is he can allow evil for a greater good. 1320 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's a great analogy the way 1321 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,280 Speaker 2: you described it with like you know, raising a silent 1322 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,480 Speaker 2: of him getting in trouble, I like, yeah, the stoves 1323 00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,000 Speaker 2: hot bud, like you know, like, hopefully it only get 1324 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:55,640 Speaker 2: burned too bad. 1325 00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,720 Speaker 1: I say this a lot, and I say this a lot, 1326 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,400 Speaker 1: and people, you know I could put it this way. 1327 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,000 Speaker 1: What if I told you right now, Josh, like I 1328 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,120 Speaker 1: do I do something to my kids. I I will 1329 01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:13,520 Speaker 1: take one of my boys to another man, and that 1330 01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:18,320 Speaker 1: other man will pin him down and hurt him. And 1331 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,320 Speaker 1: there has been times when he even cries. My boy 1332 01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:25,800 Speaker 1: will cry and you'd go, granger, evil man, No, no, 1333 01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,680 Speaker 1: I will I will pay that man to do this, hm, 1334 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,160 Speaker 1: And you'll say you are sick, and I'll say, I'm 1335 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:40,560 Speaker 1: talking about the dentist I thought actually works. But uh I, 1336 01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,120 Speaker 1: I know that this is going to hurt him. I 1337 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,080 Speaker 1: know that that that he might think it's evil in 1338 01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,800 Speaker 1: the moment when he's six years old. But I also 1339 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,520 Speaker 1: have in mind good teeth because I have the good, 1340 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,160 Speaker 1: the good result, because I want the good for him. 1341 01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,760 Speaker 1: He has no idea about good teeth or why he 1342 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:57,520 Speaker 1: needs to sit in his chair and be pinned down. 1343 01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,920 Speaker 1: And this guy's got these knives basically sticking them in 1344 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,320 Speaker 1: to his mouth. He hates it, and and that's a 1345 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,160 Speaker 1: bad example, but it's still a small example that that 1346 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,760 Speaker 1: evil or bad could exist. If there was a greater 1347 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,560 Speaker 1: good that will accomplish at the end of it. Yeah, no, 1348 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:18,320 Speaker 1: I agree, Like, I agree with you for sure, I 1349 01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,080 Speaker 1: know you do. I'm just talking kind of out loud 1350 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,880 Speaker 1: for your buddies that cause the military guy see it 1351 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,280 Speaker 1: all the time like I see evil. So I'm out 1352 01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,480 Speaker 1: there is no God to me, and I go, well, 1353 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,320 Speaker 1: your new world view doesn't answer the evil still there. 1354 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,400 Speaker 1: You've you've denied God, rejected him. Okay, I understand that. 1355 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,080 Speaker 1: But you didn't pick a new world that doesn't have evil? 1356 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,240 Speaker 1: Do you still have the same problem. You didn't solve anything. 1357 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,200 Speaker 1: And but anyway, these these are common things. So back 1358 01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,720 Speaker 1: to the cockpit. Now, have you ever been there, like 1359 01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,280 Speaker 1: on a on a night like you're describing an Alaska 1360 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,480 Speaker 1: and you're just there by yourself and had a moment 1361 01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,480 Speaker 1: maybe I think one of the. 1362 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,080 Speaker 2: I guess too too funny stories and a serious one. 1363 01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,040 Speaker 2: So the first funny story was on the same mission 1364 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,440 Speaker 2: with with soup, when I was like tours over Alaska. 1365 01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,560 Speaker 2: You know, I take the we have these anti exposure 1366 01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,600 Speaker 2: suits as well, So you have these like rubber necks 1367 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,640 Speaker 2: and seals or your feet and all that stuff to 1368 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,200 Speaker 2: keep you from if you had to reject and get 1369 01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,479 Speaker 2: into cold water, like you're gonna at least survive maybe 1370 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,600 Speaker 2: fifteen minutes longer than you would have otherwise, hopefully get rescued. Yeah, 1371 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:27,600 Speaker 2: some somehow in Alaska, no nowhere, but different, different, So 1372 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:28,320 Speaker 2: we're in these things. 1373 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:30,360 Speaker 1: I take one of those go pills. 1374 01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,240 Speaker 2: I don't remember I told this story in Vegas at all, 1375 01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,840 Speaker 2: but I remember Taylor gopill. We're on the tanker. So 1376 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,000 Speaker 2: the tanker is like a mobile gas station effect that 1377 01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,240 Speaker 2: we're swapping out getting gas. And I look at Soup's 1378 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,080 Speaker 2: airplane and I started seeing like these like light these 1379 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,680 Speaker 2: like colors, right, and I just take the go pill, like, 1380 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,080 Speaker 2: am I is something happening to me? Because I just 1381 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,080 Speaker 2: took this amphetamine like what is gone? 1382 01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,920 Speaker 1: Like pulling the you know, the seal. 1383 01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,040 Speaker 2: And then I realized is the Northern lights, which is 1384 01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,760 Speaker 2: which is awesome, and it's like just amazing, like this 1385 01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,120 Speaker 2: amazing backdrop, you know, And I was like, holy cow, 1386 01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,040 Speaker 2: that's super cool. But for a second, they I had 1387 01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,040 Speaker 2: a little bit of panic. And then there was another 1388 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,040 Speaker 2: night where on the night vision goggles, I was at 1389 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,200 Speaker 2: like forty five fifty thousand feet and we have the 1390 01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,800 Speaker 2: night vision goggles on and you're that high and you 1391 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,600 Speaker 2: look them in the stars, the amount of stars you 1392 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,320 Speaker 2: can see, and just the vastness of of like and 1393 01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,080 Speaker 2: just put some perspective how small we are, you know, 1394 01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,400 Speaker 2: or even like flying over New York City you look 1395 01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,000 Speaker 2: down and you're like, there are millions of people with 1396 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,560 Speaker 2: millions and millions of problems down there. I have no 1397 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,280 Speaker 2: idea what any of those are because I'm up here 1398 01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:33,640 Speaker 2: and I see it from a different perspective, and I 1399 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,640 Speaker 2: think astronauts kind of like have the same same kind 1400 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,880 Speaker 2: of idea where they see no borders, they see just 1401 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,880 Speaker 2: the globe because their perspective is different. 1402 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1403 01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:46,960 Speaker 2: Wow, But I guess the serious one was. I was 1404 01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,200 Speaker 2: in in Alaska, Flapps went tw us and I came 1405 01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:54,360 Speaker 2: back and had a catsh trophic landing gear problem. So 1406 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,080 Speaker 2: this is actually, I think, before I'm at you, it's 1407 01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,880 Speaker 2: October of twenty twenty eighteen, and the left main landing 1408 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:07,360 Speaker 2: gear collapsed through like a mechanical failure. So actually I 1409 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:08,959 Speaker 2: didn't recognize at the time. I thought it was another 1410 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,080 Speaker 2: problem because the airplane was landing and it was still 1411 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,160 Speaker 2: somewhat controllable. Then it eventually stopped being controllable. The left 1412 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,440 Speaker 2: wing tip hit the run way through me off in 1413 01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,360 Speaker 2: the grass, and and I was actually like, I think 1414 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,200 Speaker 2: I think the only person to take in F twenty 1415 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,400 Speaker 2: two like at being but like in the dirt, you know, 1416 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:28,040 Speaker 2: bounce around and yeah, it's just yeah, Earl Divil's just 1417 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,720 Speaker 2: hanging out with me, you know. But uh, there's a 1418 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,360 Speaker 2: small building in front of me. So I liked to 1419 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,960 Speaker 2: like get the airplane back in the air after offerating 1420 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,360 Speaker 2: a little bit, and I missed that building by by 1421 01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:42,440 Speaker 2: like ten feet or less. So I think about when 1422 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,520 Speaker 2: it related back to faith and like why that's important. 1423 01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,200 Speaker 2: Everything had to happen at the right time. So the 1424 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,720 Speaker 2: failure had to happen when it did. The airplane had 1425 01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,600 Speaker 2: to go off the rung way when it did. My 1426 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,000 Speaker 2: decision making had to happen when it did. The engines 1427 01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,200 Speaker 2: had to like spool up from like idol thrust a 1428 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,840 Speaker 2: full after burner when they did, which just happened. It 1429 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,240 Speaker 2: doesn't happen like instantaneously. It takes some time. My responsiveness 1430 01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,280 Speaker 2: had to happen just so that I didn't hit this building. 1431 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,480 Speaker 2: And if you think about the consecutive minor miracles it 1432 01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,840 Speaker 2: had to happen for me to survive that scenario. Like 1433 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:21,520 Speaker 2: the list is along and I had just lost my 1434 01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,920 Speaker 2: mom the year before, so to me, you know, like 1435 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,600 Speaker 2: I definitely, I definitely believe in God, and I also 1436 01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,800 Speaker 2: believe they're like there are other things out there, whether 1437 01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,800 Speaker 2: it's my mom, my grandfather who's a massively influential person 1438 01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:40,200 Speaker 2: in my life who passed away eighteen years ago now. 1439 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,000 Speaker 2: But it's like, I know, I'm a good pilot, but 1440 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,480 Speaker 2: I'm not that good, right, there are all these things 1441 01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,520 Speaker 2: that had to have happened just so that led to 1442 01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,960 Speaker 2: an outcome where I survived. Like I said, I'm good, 1443 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,400 Speaker 2: And the my skill all those things is simply a 1444 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,880 Speaker 2: byproductally amazing instructors and teach that I had along the way. 1445 01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,520 Speaker 2: It mentored be and helped guide me, you know, And 1446 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:09,160 Speaker 2: that's what was also the mentorship, you know, Like who 1447 01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,960 Speaker 2: who were my instructors going up to that point? You 1448 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,960 Speaker 2: know I had I had. Yeah, I've been flying airplanes 1449 01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,080 Speaker 2: for ten years, like fast juts for about ten years 1450 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,280 Speaker 2: that point, So those people are in my control. If 1451 01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,320 Speaker 2: there were so many things out of my control that 1452 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,280 Speaker 2: happened in a way that allowed me to survive, you know, 1453 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,960 Speaker 2: and incredibly thankful for that. And then for the next 1454 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,880 Speaker 2: couple of months. You know, I'm flying back home after 1455 01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,680 Speaker 2: training mission and the distance from the airport and anchorage 1456 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,520 Speaker 2: to the training airspace is pretty far, so it's probably 1457 01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,280 Speaker 2: a fifteen minute commute, if you will. Yeah, and you 1458 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,560 Speaker 2: have a lot of time to think, and you know, 1459 01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:46,280 Speaker 2: you just think about that, and you think about, man, 1460 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:51,560 Speaker 2: had something gone slightly differently out of just like been gone, 1461 01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:57,200 Speaker 2: you know, and cease to exist. But all these minor 1462 01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,280 Speaker 2: miracles happened in a way that allowed me to live 1463 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,320 Speaker 2: and survive. Incredibly thankful for that. And I think that's 1464 01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:08,200 Speaker 2: anytime you have like a near death experience, you reflect 1465 01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,400 Speaker 2: on that, you know. And going back to the military example, 1466 01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,400 Speaker 2: we have people that you know, when they're in a 1467 01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:16,000 Speaker 2: really bad spot, like people pray. So you can't tell 1468 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,439 Speaker 2: me one second that you don't believe there's God because 1469 01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,320 Speaker 2: there's evil. And then when you face with mortality or 1470 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,960 Speaker 2: your pray, you pray, you know, like there's a there's 1471 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,760 Speaker 2: a conflict there in terms of ideas. But yeah, I 1472 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,360 Speaker 2: was incredibly thankful and it just reaffirmed my beliefs and 1473 01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,320 Speaker 2: also reaffirmed that like there is a bigger plan, bigger, 1474 01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,800 Speaker 2: bigger picture out there that I'm not aware of. 1475 01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:42,360 Speaker 1: And now here you are married, have a little boy. Yep, 1476 01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,560 Speaker 1: that that is now that you now have because you 1477 01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,960 Speaker 1: didn't crash into that building that day. So let's run that. 1478 01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,520 Speaker 1: Let's take that scenario and then run it back through 1479 01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,280 Speaker 1: the test that we just did. Because this this same 1480 01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,120 Speaker 1: God that performs the miracles to save you and to 1481 01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,720 Speaker 1: correct all that, would you say, micro miracles, all the 1482 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,800 Speaker 1: small miracles that happened in order for you to not 1483 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,440 Speaker 1: hit that building, He's also the same god that allowed 1484 01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:12,520 Speaker 1: the landing gear to malfunction. So think about it that way, 1485 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,760 Speaker 1: this same God, it would have been easier in our 1486 01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:20,240 Speaker 1: in our minds to think, just let the landing gear 1487 01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,240 Speaker 1: come out normal, then none of this happens. But then 1488 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,080 Speaker 1: you and I are not having this conversation, you're not 1489 01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,000 Speaker 1: reflecting on it. There is no gratefulness or thankfulness in 1490 01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,679 Speaker 1: your heart that you're thinking about because of the miracles, 1491 01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:36,280 Speaker 1: and so by allowing the the evil really of the 1492 01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:39,479 Speaker 1: malfunction of the landing gear. This is a small example 1493 01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,160 Speaker 1: to someone who's who's you know, some of your buddies 1494 01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,519 Speaker 1: that have lost somewhere I'd seen death. So we don't 1495 01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:51,000 Speaker 1: want to compare the two, but it's still a it's 1496 01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,040 Speaker 1: the same idea that that the malfunction of the aircraft 1497 01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,120 Speaker 1: and the continued events with the same God allowed them, 1498 01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,439 Speaker 1: the same God fixed them, the same God care wrecked it, 1499 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,400 Speaker 1: and now the same God is drawing in you in 1500 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:07,120 Speaker 1: your heart to reflect on it. Yeah, it's interesting. God 1501 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,080 Speaker 1: is not a boring being, Like you don't sit here 1502 01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:11,960 Speaker 1: and go man, I've been flying all these years and 1503 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,400 Speaker 1: everything was perfect. Yeah. No one goes yeah, I've never 1504 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,320 Speaker 1: I've never lost anybody in my family mom, dad's grandpa, 1505 01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,479 Speaker 1: great grandpa. Everyone's still alive like everything. No one says 1506 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,600 Speaker 1: that we walked through life with wounded soldiers. Really, you know, 1507 01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:30,320 Speaker 1: just just event after event, and God could have stopped 1508 01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,479 Speaker 1: all of it. And then we just want to you 1509 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:33,880 Speaker 1: know what do we do. We end up in his 1510 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:38,360 Speaker 1: presence just like hey, what's up? Man? Thanks God? You know, No, 1511 01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,920 Speaker 1: we go to him and just go you it was you. 1512 01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,960 Speaker 1: You had me all the whole time. For some reason. 1513 01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,280 Speaker 1: The plan that he had is for us to walk 1514 01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:48,920 Speaker 1: through the valley of the Shadow of Death, and there 1515 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,599 Speaker 1: is no other way than to go through that valley. 1516 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,679 Speaker 1: That's where we go. That's the path that humans take, 1517 01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,719 Speaker 1: and no one's immune from it, religious or not, believe 1518 01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,640 Speaker 1: in God or not, everyone still walks that valley of 1519 01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,280 Speaker 1: the shadow of Death. Some people walk it alone and 1520 01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,920 Speaker 1: some people walk it with him. That's the only difference. Yeah, 1521 01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,320 Speaker 1: so that's what was happening. In my mind though, is 1522 01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,920 Speaker 1: I was thinking you took back off, you missed the building. 1523 01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,439 Speaker 1: That didn't that only temporaries solved the problem. Don't know 1524 01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:15,920 Speaker 1: what happened. 1525 01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I get airborne. Obviously I knew something was 1526 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:20,920 Speaker 2: catastrophically wrong. 1527 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,320 Speaker 1: I know it was. That's the word catastrophic. 1528 01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's catastrophic for sure. So we come back around 1529 01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,400 Speaker 2: and we don't do anything by ourselves as fighter pilots. 1530 01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:31,720 Speaker 2: We have a team of people that help us. You know, 1531 01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,960 Speaker 2: whether other airplanes are on the ground and flew down 1532 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,200 Speaker 2: the runway, have the people in the control tower look 1533 01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,719 Speaker 2: with the binoculars and they're like, everything looks fine because 1534 01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,920 Speaker 2: the component that failed really, you know, nothing got bound up. 1535 01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,120 Speaker 2: It was just like not supporting the weight. So imagine 1536 01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,200 Speaker 2: like I, you know, put the gear down, or there's 1537 01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,160 Speaker 2: something in the middle that's broken. It's just not supporting 1538 01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,760 Speaker 2: the way of the airplane anymore. So to like summarize it, 1539 01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,800 Speaker 2: they look at nothing's wrong, and we elect to I 1540 01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,640 Speaker 2: basically don't like to take a cable, which is like 1541 01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,000 Speaker 2: you said you saw on top going with the land 1542 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,400 Speaker 2: on the ships the cable. I'll just tell your cable 1543 01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,639 Speaker 2: and land land the airplane that way. So the left ear, 1544 01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:09,800 Speaker 2: you know, collapsed again the wing topits are own way. 1545 01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,280 Speaker 2: But I was in the cable at least caught it. 1546 01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,200 Speaker 2: There were some things I had to do to make 1547 01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:17,240 Speaker 2: that happen, but it slowed me to stop and get 1548 01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:21,120 Speaker 2: out of the airplane. And uh, yeah it was. It 1549 01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,280 Speaker 2: was funny because like the crash by rescue guys show up, 1550 01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,040 Speaker 2: you know, there's a big cloud of dust. Thankfully nothing 1551 01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:26,559 Speaker 2: was on fire. 1552 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:27,200 Speaker 1: Was good. 1553 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and crash for the rest of you guys show 1554 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,559 Speaker 2: up and they saw that last part. They didn't see 1555 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,120 Speaker 2: the first like off roading bit and like get airborne again. 1556 01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,080 Speaker 2: It's like, yah, are you okay? Like they had missed 1557 01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,040 Speaker 2: the whole thing, And I was like, yeah, d I'm fine. 1558 01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:40,960 Speaker 2: This jet is not good, you know, like yeah, it's 1559 01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,439 Speaker 2: just pretty bested up. But yeah, it was that was 1560 01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:46,640 Speaker 2: that was an interesting, interesting event. 1561 01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,639 Speaker 1: You know. Now your new mission, yeah, is to figure 1562 01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,160 Speaker 1: out why the Lord saved you in that time in 1563 01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:54,080 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen for this moment. 1564 01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a question I asked myself a lot, 1565 01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,839 Speaker 2: you know, and thinking. 1566 01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,400 Speaker 1: Not putting pressure on you. Well, I don't. We could 1567 01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:07,599 Speaker 1: talk about it on text as you go back to Vegas. 1568 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure can, I think, you know, I think it's 1569 01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:14,559 Speaker 2: just this constant pursuit of like, how do I how 1570 01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,679 Speaker 2: do I live in a worthy way? 1571 01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:17,320 Speaker 1: You know? 1572 01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:19,760 Speaker 2: How do I help others around me? How do I 1573 01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:21,720 Speaker 2: live a good life? And how do I And we've 1574 01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,880 Speaker 2: all made mistakes. We've all we've all had you know, 1575 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:29,280 Speaker 2: like every's sand everyys had mistakes, Everyone's done all these things, everybody. 1576 01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:29,880 Speaker 1: Every single person. 1577 01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:32,519 Speaker 2: So the fact that we have a compassionate guy that 1578 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,679 Speaker 2: is willing to accept you for those faults and sees 1579 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,439 Speaker 2: that you're making amends and working in a positive direction 1580 01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,600 Speaker 2: to fix things, like that's pretty I'd rather be on 1581 01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:42,720 Speaker 2: his team, you know. 1582 01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, he does. And the Bible says, the New Newton 1583 01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,160 Speaker 1: Testament will say very clearly that he accepts you on 1584 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:53,280 Speaker 1: one ground, and that's his son that's what John three 1585 01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,400 Speaker 1: sixteen should be read as God soul, love the world. 1586 01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,599 Speaker 1: He gave his only son so that whoever believes in him. Yeah, 1587 01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:04,600 Speaker 1: so he's compassionate because he provided away. He gave us. 1588 01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,280 Speaker 1: He gave away for guilty sinners that have rejected him. 1589 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,960 Speaker 1: Like you said, everybody in the world has rejected him, 1590 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,080 Speaker 1: and he gave away for those sinners to be reconciled 1591 01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,160 Speaker 1: to him through his son, who went to the cross 1592 01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:20,200 Speaker 1: and died the death that we deserved, saying, look to 1593 01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:24,160 Speaker 1: him and you'll be forgiveness. That's the greatest story ever told. 1594 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,560 Speaker 2: And I'm really I'm really excited to kind of go 1595 01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,559 Speaker 2: through that journey again with my son as he grows up, 1596 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,040 Speaker 2: like to see it as see it through his eyes 1597 01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,479 Speaker 2: and see it from that perspective. And I'm sure I'll 1598 01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:39,559 Speaker 2: ask thousands of questions. 1599 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:39,720 Speaker 1: You know. 1600 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,720 Speaker 2: He's just like I never never thought about that way. 1601 01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:43,960 Speaker 2: Let's let's think about that, you know. I'm like, I'm 1602 01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:45,400 Speaker 2: excited to go on that journey. 1603 01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,680 Speaker 1: And fatherhood teaches you a lot about your relationship with 1604 01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:54,400 Speaker 1: the father. Absolutely, we're very grateful and very excited this 1605 01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,560 Speaker 1: next chapter. You know, the previous chapters were good the 1606 01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,280 Speaker 1: jets are great, but man, I just want to be 1607 01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,519 Speaker 1: home and hang him and not doing anything, you know, 1608 01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:05,599 Speaker 1: like my goal is to make every baseball practice, every 1609 01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,240 Speaker 1: jiu jitsu match, every music you know recital, Like that's 1610 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:10,920 Speaker 1: so cool. And you'll even take him to the dentist 1611 01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:16,360 Speaker 1: occasionally occasionally, Hey, I want to finish with one thing. Yeah, randomly. 1612 01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,519 Speaker 1: I saw this this morning. I fought, like, you know, 1613 01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,400 Speaker 1: my daily news, and and I was reading it. I 1614 01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,080 Speaker 1: was like really early this morning and actually texted him 1615 01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:31,679 Speaker 1: and man, but I was like, this is an interesting headline. 1616 01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,680 Speaker 1: I wish I could discuss this with somebody. Wait and 1617 01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,519 Speaker 1: wait a second, Josh is gonna be the headline? Is this? 1618 01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,639 Speaker 1: US Navy loses a sixty million dollar jet at sea 1619 01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,760 Speaker 1: after it fell overboard from the aircraft carrier. Did you 1620 01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,559 Speaker 1: read this? I did see that. Yeah, because he did 1621 01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:51,599 Speaker 1: the the ship captain did a maneuver and it literally 1622 01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,800 Speaker 1: threw the jet off the side. Have you ever heard 1623 01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:55,920 Speaker 1: of this? I have. 1624 01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,599 Speaker 2: I mean I imagine there's some like tie them down 1625 01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,000 Speaker 2: as well, So I'm not sure if it was tied 1626 01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:03,960 Speaker 2: down properly, if it was improperly tied down, I have 1627 01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,560 Speaker 2: no idea what Obviously I don't speak on half the 1628 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,960 Speaker 2: Davy as the air Force, but it's just a tragic 1629 01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,599 Speaker 2: back like it's like Holy Cow, like we lost an 1630 01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,439 Speaker 2: airplane that is very difficult to replace, you know. Thankfully 1631 01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:16,479 Speaker 2: nobody was hurt, right, but. 1632 01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,559 Speaker 1: So evidently along with Pharaoh's chariot it's at the bottom 1633 01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:28,840 Speaker 1: of the Red Sea. Wow. True with the Egyptian chariots. 1634 01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:34,160 Speaker 1: It sits along with an F eighteen Super Hornet. Do 1635 01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,120 Speaker 1: they go down there and try to get anything. 1636 01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,519 Speaker 2: I'm sure there'll be some recovery efforts of different pieces, 1637 01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,400 Speaker 2: like thirty class fight elements. I'm sure they'll try to collect. 1638 01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. 1639 01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,680 Speaker 2: I didn't fly F eighteen, so I'm not sure what 1640 01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:47,920 Speaker 2: exactly on the airplane that they'll need to recover. But 1641 01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,479 Speaker 2: anytime we lose a sensitive asset, you we'll try to 1642 01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:52,439 Speaker 2: recover as much as we can. 1643 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,040 Speaker 1: So they'll send divers down there to get computer assets. 1644 01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,160 Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm not sure what they'll get, but they'll 1645 01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,880 Speaker 2: send some rescue teams down there. Some of you laugh 1646 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,720 Speaker 2: of the Pharaoh's chariot. I was laughing because we were Uh. 1647 01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,760 Speaker 2: Lisa and I had this conversation the other day. We're like, how, 1648 01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,400 Speaker 2: what's your favorite animated movie? And she was like listening 1649 01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:09,120 Speaker 2: to stuff, you know, like the nineties, and I was 1650 01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:14,360 Speaker 2: like Prince of Egypt, and I was like, yeah, that's good. 1651 01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,880 Speaker 1: Can you imagine this moment? It must have just been 1652 01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,560 Speaker 1: like slow motion, just like I think it's going to 1653 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,200 Speaker 1: the jet is going off the side. 1654 01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,320 Speaker 2: And just yeah, when their videos from like Vietnam where 1655 01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,040 Speaker 2: they're pushing airplanes and helicopters off the carriers, that's right 1656 01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,000 Speaker 2: because they couldn't come back with them. I've never I 1657 01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,200 Speaker 2: haven't heard of anything where like it was an unintentional 1658 01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,920 Speaker 2: like oops a daisy, that's a pretty big opsidaizy. I mean, 1659 01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:37,080 Speaker 2: I'm curious to see what happens. 1660 01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,040 Speaker 1: There's always more to the story, though, you like you 1661 01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,280 Speaker 1: probably saw headlines of something you were involved with and 1662 01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,320 Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, that one the whole story for sure, 1663 01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,679 Speaker 1: for sure. Like this just says that there was fire, 1664 01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:50,160 Speaker 1: the enemy fire or a threat and so the captain 1665 01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:53,960 Speaker 1: turned the ship too hard and the ship tilted and 1666 01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:55,559 Speaker 1: F eighteen falls in the water. 1667 01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,240 Speaker 2: There has to be a little bit there has We 1668 01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,680 Speaker 2: don't know because you've seen you've probably seen videos of 1669 01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,200 Speaker 2: like especially like the baring sea and like they're just 1670 01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,080 Speaker 2: pitching up and down. There's water coming over the deck 1671 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,880 Speaker 2: of the ship. That's like washing over the ship. And like, well, 1672 01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,160 Speaker 2: if they didn't lose an airplane on the carrier dover 1673 01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,960 Speaker 2: under that, then how do they lose it here? There 1674 01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:14,559 Speaker 2: has to be more to the story, So like that's 1675 01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,639 Speaker 2: why it's harder, Chuck spears until we get the full, 1676 01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:18,360 Speaker 2: full story. 1677 01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,439 Speaker 1: You know, Well there's the answer. That's that's the answer 1678 01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,200 Speaker 1: we needed. Bro. Thank you so much, man, there's an 1679 01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:28,360 Speaker 1: absolute pleasure catching up. Yeah, let's do it again sometimes. God. Yeah, 1680 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,960 Speaker 1: definitely appreciate it absolutely. Thanks for joining me on the 1681 01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,360 Speaker 1: Grangersmith podcast. I appreciate all of you guys. 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