WEBVTT - The Third Man: An Inside Look at Refereeing with Daniel Spencer 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:08.879 Now you're made event introducing ghosts are Wrestling with Freddy 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:13.280 Jef died hand of Freddy Prince Junior. 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:21.520 What's up, everybody? Welcome to another episode of Wrestling with 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:25.520 Freddy Jeff. Die is on location and unavailable, but we 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.880 didn't leave you hanging because today we have a very 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:32.000 special guest, and I'll start with this. One thing that 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:36.840 every wrestling fan has caught themselves saying is while they're 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.159 watching a match and they see something and they go, 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:43.480 oh my god, how did you miss that call? Oh 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:45.960 my god, how are you not in the right place? 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.080 Oh my god? Turn around and look at what you're 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:53.960 missing Right now, today we have brought a very special referee. 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.600 We have brought mister Daniel Spencer. And just so you 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.600 know a little history on the man and you understand 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.480 his expert opinion and I'll soon be educated and he 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.920 can choose to defend his profession if he so wishes. 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:11.120 He is a senior official at OVW Ohio Valley Wrestling 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:12.760 for those of you who don't know and just listen 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.840 for fun since twenty nineteen, and in twenty twenty made 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.119 his debut refereeing in Impact Wrestling, which is a part 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.840 of the premier streaming network, so sign up for that 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.080 and you can watch Impact there if you're a cable 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:29.160 cutter like most of us. Mister Daniel Spencer, how are you, sir? 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:30.280 Welcome to the show. 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.520 I'm great, Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:35.480 Nice intro there. I couldn't do it better. 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:41.240 Myself, so thanks man. I have met many a referee. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.800 I have had many a late night conversations with a referee, 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:51.160 but when I worked in WWE, they were more interested 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:55.720 in asking questions than answering questions. And I've never gotten 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.240 to ask this question to a ref before. How the 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:03.320 hell do you become a referee? And what made you 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:07.920 say that's what I'm gonna do? You know, it's it's 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:11.280 really I got a unique story. Growing up a wrestling fan. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:12.760 I always wanted to be a part of wrestling. 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:15.600 Never really like thought about referee and I mean I 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.640 had there was the goat referees right here, Charles Robinson's 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.240 your earl Headner's and was like, those guys are cool, 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.560 but it was never a thing. I always wanted to 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.960 be a wrestler. At the time I was you know, 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.800 I'm five foot eleven, so i'm I got too short. 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.040 Now nowadays it doesn't matter, but you know, in the 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.120 early two thousands, it was. It was a big deal. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.280 It was tough, and so yeah, it was tough. So 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.400 I just kind of thought, well, maybe I'll be a 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.600 writer and be creative and all that kind of stuff, 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.320 so I'll maybe go to that round in wrestling. But 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.160 you know, life got away never really did. I started 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.920 a podcast to talk about wrestling. I love for wrestling 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.919 was I'm in I'm based in Louisvill, Kentucky, So growing 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.000 up around OVW, I had a lot of friends at OVW, 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.639 So i'd bring those guys on an interview and stuff 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:00.639 like that, and somebody you brought on or doing benefit show, 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.040 and I literally brought them on and was like talking 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.560 about the benefit show and I jokingly said, hey, if 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.839 you ever need a special guest referee, I'm your man, 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.919 and they were like, yeah, yeah, sure, come on, and 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.360 we got them recording. I thought it was just podcast banter, 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:17.280 just having fun, and they were like, no, I'm serious, 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.840 come on out. So I did and I got in 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.000 the ring, and from the very beginning I loved it, 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.560 and everybody there could like, you know, not the brag, 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.079 but they were just shocked that it was my only 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:28.680 that was my very first show because I knew I 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:30.760 had the mechanics down. I kind of knew things. Not 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.520 I wasn't perfect obviously, but I knew enough to I 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.600 could do this further. And then more connections from there 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:40.240 just snowballed into more and I started doing training, started 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:42.680 you know, doing more shows, and before I know it, 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.120 I'm didn't get get to go to OVW and start 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.400 working learning TV and then from then got the now 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:53.680 Impact wrestling. So it's it was a pretty fast jump, 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:55.800 but pretty pretty cool. At the same time. 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:01.480 You said training, is there a free school that you 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:03.600 go to or do you just get in with a 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.520 certain promotion and then learn the ropes within the promotion. 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.080 It's you want to do your basic training when it 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.160 comes to ref you know, wrestling type stuff. You know 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.000 you're taking bumps and ropes and things like that. As 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.039 far as I mean, there's not there should be a 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.000 school referee. And I mean I've I have, you know, 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.720 been seminars and been part of stuff to help train 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:26.200 the referee sign because really in a wrestling school, unfortunately, 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.920 they don't really teach referee and they just yeah, you 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.560 just stand here or be here. You know, it's more 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.960 of a get out the way or they should one 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.479 hundred percent they should teach refereen And that's way. We 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:38.920 do that a lot at OVW, at at the school 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.400 there and and like I said, there's seminars and whatnot 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.280 that I've been a part of where I've helped, you know, teach. 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.520 But I think it's important for wrestlers to learn the 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.279 art of referee in because you know, a lot of 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.919 those wrestlers I've talked to that I've worked with, they're 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.839 literally like when they when they learn something, they go, 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:58.760 I never understood that the importance of you being in 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.000 this position or you doing that, and it's it kind 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.280 of opens up their eyes. So I really think there 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.039 should be and we bring and like I said, we 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.440 bring it in OVW. We make at certain a couple 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.080 of weeks where it's like referee, You've got to kind 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.920 of learn the importance of a referee because it's going 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.000 to help them be a better wrestler, and then they 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.320 want to be a referee. You know, some do transition 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.240 over to a referee, and you know, there's a lot 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.760 of former workers that are now referees too as well, 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:22.880 so it happens. 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.080 It's a very insightful thing. You said that all wrestlers 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.680 should learn the art of refereeing. I've always found that 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:34.119 every director who also went to acting class and learned 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:35.960 the craft of that, whether they were any good at 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.840 it or not, but learn to speak that language, they 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.360 were always ten times the directors who didn't have that experience, 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:46.800 every single time. So it's a great way just to 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:51.120 sort of train your brain anyway. It's like when psychiatrists 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.680 tell you to brush your teeth with your opposite hand, right, 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.599 because it activates a different part of your brain, and 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.479 that's why you feel like a three year old trying 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.440 to find your mouth with a fork when you when 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.320 you do it, when you brush with the opposite end. 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:05.200 But when you. 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.880 Take in it's like every man, what was that show, 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:10.800 the Secret Boss show? I don't know what it was 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:16.119 called Hidden Boss something where ye thank you undercover boss, 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.520 much better titled than mine. You know, they would sort 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.599 of see the other half of the business. And it's 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.919 important for the foreman to know what every machine does 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.320 on the on the on the construction site, and to 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:28.680 know how to operate every machine that should be how 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.600 they got to the foreman position because they had enough 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:32.440 experience to. 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:32.960 Do all that. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.080 When you add those extra tools to your belt, it 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.479 only it only makes you better. And you're right as well. 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:41.240 A lot of a lot of guys that wanted to 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:45.239 be wrestlers and girls have transitioned into the referee world 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.600 and they're all doing a good job except when they 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:54.920 miss calls, which you know happens. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.280 It does happen. Unfortunately, we know we have two sets 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:04.039 of oas. I wish there was other ways around it, 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.240 but you know, we've that the industries evolved so much, 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.479 but uh, we still got the one referee in the 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.200 in the ring. And you know, there's no TV review 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.240 unless it's important. Sometimes there are reviews, and you know, 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.320 we get things overturned, but for the most part, you know, 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.720 it's things happen and we miss stuff. I was gonna say, 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.440 you know, well, people people that are I would say, 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.320 like a you know he's not here today, but you know, 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.600 like a Jeff Dive like he's a manager, right kind 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.000 of kind of I don't see him as a wrestler, 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:29.600 seem like a manager. He's one of those that likes 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.880 to just get up on top of the apron. He're like, dude, 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:33.200 what are you doing? You got to get down, And 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.520 then something happens behind me, and I have no idea 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:36.080 what's going on. 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.520 So he could be a good distraction. He could be 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:42.280 a good distraction. I'll get into some constructive criticism down 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.480 the road. But a lot of my listeners just listen 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:49.080 for fun and they're not educated on wrestling, and they 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.280 tell me they learn a lot about it just through 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.000 listening to this, whether they watch or not. I need 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:58.560 you to break down and explain what a referee's responsibilities 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.800 are as comfortably as you can in to people that 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.960 have never because it's not like boxing or the UFC 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.960 in any way, shape or form. You're not just observing 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.960 and officiating. There is a next level of communication that 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.760 has to exist that I want people to understand. So 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:17.600 try and illustrate that for me if you could. 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.760 Yeah, So there there's a lot, I don't know what. 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.000 The curtain's been pulled back so much in this industry now, 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:25.800 so it's not I'm not really going to give away 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.360 too much that kind of it's not out there and 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.720 you know you've seen it and other stuff too as well. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.719 But one of the things that I mean, obviously number one, 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.520 our job is always safety. It's safety for the for 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.960 the talent and the ring, making sure there everything's good 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.080 even when they take a big bump and they're selling. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.760 To make sure that the selling is is selling the 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.840 right way. And it's not like opaving to stop this 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:50.439 match and move on, you know where you know, twenty 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:52.680 years ago, it was like they just continued. You know, 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:56.680 we luckily enough to know so much about the concussions 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.360 and different things when it comes to the body that 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.480 we you know, we're able to kind of stop what 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.000 we need to stop or you know, finish a match 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.760 right away when we need to finish it. But but 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:07.640 the other things too is that, especially when you're working 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.720 with TV, we have IFBs, we have ear pieces in 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.920 our ear and we're being communicated from you know, the 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.800 agent in the back or the TV truck and different 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.600 you know, people letting us know where things are time wise, 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:24.800 what's going on if we you know, need to for 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.439 in the camera shot things like that too as well. 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:30.319 We've got to do and and you know Tom Cus 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.880 yeah there might be TOMQ said as well. But the 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.120 other thing too is that you know, you're communicating back 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.360 and forth between the talent and the ring. I mean 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.600 a lot of times you have to let people know 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.400 what let them let each other know what's going on, 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:44.920 you know, for the most part, and I'll just leave 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.200 it at that. I won't go too much detailing, although again, 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.880 curtain's been pulled back so much that people kind of understand. Yeah, 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:50.920 but it's never a. 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:52.720 Push bro, It's only what you're comfortable saying. 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.760 It's a very important job, and you know it's we 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.160 are not you know, the joke around is that we 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:02.400 don't referees, don't celtic as. We cop tickets, right, so 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:09.280 it's like never heard that. No, really, yeah, we don't 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.920 sell them, we comp them. So there's you know, they're 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.760 not and what that means is they're not there to 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.520 see us. They're there to see the talent in the ring. 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:19.720 So our job is to kind of be there when 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.640 we need to be there, but be be the you know, 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.079 be unseen woman need to be unseen, which is usually 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.199 ninety percent of the time we need to be unseen. 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.360 So that's that's kind of the other hard part of 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.199 the job is not taking the glory from because it's 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:34.920 not about us. It's about the talent in the ring, 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.920 whether there's two or four or five, whatever, how many 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:38.640 of them's in the ring. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:44.520 I knew a wrestler who will remain nameless, that had 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.360 a hard time remembering spots and matches outside of the 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.880 big ones. And so when he would build a match 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.400 with his opponent, he would always ask that the referee 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.760 for that match be there as well, so that he 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.440 could communicate anything that he may have forgotten in the match. 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:05.280 And this wrestler, I already said he so they'll know 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:10.080 it's a but he depended on this referee so much 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.680 and they had such an amazing relationship that it was 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.800 like a shorthand with like hand signals, little things like 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:19.319 that that would just cue him into everything that he 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.319 may or may not have forgotten, Like they would just 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.720 go He would go through those motions, whether the guy 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.640 forgot or not. So it just looked like, you know, 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:29.240 normal behavior. But that was how he remembered a lot 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.160 of the important spots and matches. Because this was a 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.959 guy that would get you know, big time promos and have, 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.240 you know, to carry segments and things like that, and 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.040 so he had so much crap going on in his 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.360 head that he'd be like, yo, I just forget spots sometimes. 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.280 And you know, if I'm with a guy that doesn't 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.360 want to improv and we have specific things, I got 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:46.880 to be there for him. Has anything like that ever 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:48.920 happened with you where you have to help out with 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.360 certain like you know, hey guys, let's get here, let's 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:52.839 get there, those types of things. 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:58.080 Yeah, quite often. Actually it's not a knock on the 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:01.000 talent who it is, because you know, it's it's just 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.760 it's it's so much remember and what's crazy about it. 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.439 Here's like I've got to know four or five matches 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.120 the whole night, so like I've literally got to got 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.200 to help rememberize. I mean, if it's a bigger match, 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.080 I usually I definitely know all the details, but I've 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:16.880 got to like, okay, I've got to go over it's 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.400 more than once because you know this is important. But 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:21.600 now many times I've had to be in the ring 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.800 and they say where they're at, where we at, and 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.160 I have to let him know where they're at, you know, 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.640 and and it's and and that just that's just you know, 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.320 communicating the right way and you know, making sure because 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.920 words case scenario if they're lost and they do something 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.040 that can cause them to get injured too as well, 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.680 because they thought something else was coming and something you know, 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.680 something else came instead and knocked them sideways, you know. 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:45.800 So it's very important. But yeah, it's very that's a 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.000 very common. There's you know, one of the guys who 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.360 was my mentor and and kind of took me to 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.800 uh kind of a I call it another level in 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.400 wrestling coach me was Brian Hebner, who is the son 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.600 of you know, Earl Hebner. So Brian kind of took 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.160 me under his tutelage for about eighteen months when he 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.439 was back with Impact, and I learned so much about 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.800 how to do that because he was he was like 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:11.240 that for Kurt Angle. Kurt Angle, he says, I literally 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:13.800 was I had to do all the Kurt Angle's matches 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.880 because I literally helped him the entire time. And and 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.200 he being instilled that with me, know your matches, know 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.640 your be know, have a relationship with your with your talent, 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.760 so that way you can, you know, communicate so well 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.079 with them because they're gonna. 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.600 He Kurt's one of the greatest to ever wrestle, one 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.920 of the greatest ever wrestle and still to have that 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.240 relationship with your referee is such a that's such an 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.640 amazing thing. And I know the curtain has been pulled back, 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.040 but I think that's one of the beautiful things about 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:47.400 the business is the fact that as unsung as the 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:51.080 referees are, as far as heroes, y'all are happy with that. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:55.599 You prefer that. I've heard you multiple times talk about 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.680 not being seen or noticed and multiple times talk about 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:02.040 wrestler safety, and that's what you sort of pulled every 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:05.880 conversation back to. And I think that's the way all 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.319 referees should be in all sports. By the way, all 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.080 you referees out there that make it about you, that's 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.360 some bs that happens in the NBA all the time. 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:24.400 You need you need to have a seminar for them. 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.960 All right, So more fun question, more fun question. And 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:29.240 then maybe it's a two parter. 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:30.400 Or maybe it's the same answer for book. 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:34.320 What's the most nervous you've been for a match? And 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:36.640 what was your first championship match? 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:38.840 Who was in it? What was it? 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:40.479 Were you nervous? 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:42.280 Is it? Holy shit? Up? 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.120 I don't want to screw up? Or you like, oh, 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.320 it's my moment I'm gonna shine like I don't. I 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.480 honestly want to know. It can be cocky. It's not 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.800 cocky if you did it. My grandfather would always say, 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.960 it ain't bragging if you did it. Freddy, all right, 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:54.480 fair enough. 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.240 I would say probably the most nervous I've ever been. 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.160 Obviously that I guess you go back to that first 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.040 show ever, but that's that was nothing in front of 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.320 a one hundred people whatever. But the most numbers I've 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:08.920 been was doing the semi main event for the Rick 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:12.120 Flairs last match show. It was for the Impact Knockouts 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:16.480 CHAMPIONSHI World Championship. It was Jordan Grace against Deanno Prazzo 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.600 and oh Rachel Ailering. So it was it was that 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.040 match and very nervous because it was Rick Fare's last 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.240 match and over nine ten thousand people in the crowd 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.080 and it was seen everywhere and it was pretty pretty amazing. 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.960 But then Rachel also tweaked her knee in the middle 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.520 of this match, like right when it started, so like 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.440 there was the whole safety thing going on there, and 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.120 I'm trying to communicate that to the back and also 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.480 get them to get the other two to still wrestle 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.640 it was it was it was Nerve. That was probably 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.600 the most nervous I've been in the most recent years 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.640 I can think of. As far as a first ever 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.280 title match, it was actually OVW versus Impact, which is 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.640 first one of my first relationship with Impact came in. 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.880 It was in March of twenty nineteen, and it was 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:59.960 it was Tony gun versus Emmy Callahan and it was 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:04.560 like the OVW Championship because Sammy Callahan stole it from 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.760 Tony Gunn who was the champion. And there was that 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.560 and so that was probably my first memorable one that 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.400 I and I'm looking back, I don't believe that any 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.800 about any other one was I had any other ones 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.360 that were bigger than that until I went to Impact 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.520 and then did they a world type my first world 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.920 title match with Eddie Edwards versus RVD and that was 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.000 fun too as well. That was pretty memorable as well. 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:28.440 So all right, Daniel Spencer, it's time it's time to 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.560 introduce a brand new segment on Wrestling with Freddy the 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.200 segment I like to call I got. 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:35.520 Some sweet sound effects for this too. 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.760 Ref court Dun dundun. Those were the sweet sound effects 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:41.480 that was that was? 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.320 That was impressive? All right? Man? 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:50.520 So I started watching wrestling in the early eighties, and 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:54.480 I'm forty seven years old now. I got a lot 0:16:54.480 --> 0:17:00.400 of ref gripes. Some are just some after talking to you, 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.120 not so much, because you're right. There are a lot 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:08.640 of things going on, however, and we won't be able 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:10.159 to do it every week, although I'd love to have 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.840 you on every week, but Jeff will get jealous once 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:14.520 in a while. I would love to have you on 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:18.320 the show, and we will address the week in wrestling, 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.359 and I will bring up what I feel are the 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:25.800 worst offenses that I have seen in that week of wrestling, 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.680 and you will have an opportunity as the public defender 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.760 in an episode of Law and Order, but a damn 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:38.320 good one, an opportunity to defend the offense and get 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:43.400 your man or woman a verdict of not guilty. What 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:44.960 do you do? How do you feel about this? 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:50.480 I like that idea. Yeah, I'm gaining for that. Yeah. 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:55.760 Listen, there's historical events with with Earl, obviously that I'm 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.320 sure he hates having to relive every day of his life, 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.520 but it's it's the most famous one, and then it's 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:04.160 not even his fault. That's the that's the worst part 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:04.679 about it. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.320 El Earl made a lot of money off of that 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:13.200 years later, so I think he's okay with he did Yes, 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:19.119 good for around. There's still t shirts that they say, damn, 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.840 damn right, I did it. They're just they're just white, 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.840 you know, they do not stripes. Yeah, they say damn right, 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.040 I did it. And it's uh, it's he made a 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.359 lot of money off those, and it was it's pretty 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:29.960 he'll tell you. 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:30.199 He go. 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:33.520 Yeah. Now granted he you know, he realized later he 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.560 might as well just own it, right, I mean, so yeah. 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.840 Good for him, man, good for you never know how 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.520 something like that's going to hit somebody, because you know, 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.320 it was every every arena he was in every show, 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:50.720 you would hear people you screwed. Oh yeah, yeah. He 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:55.280 can't go to Canada. Still, that's like Brian Bosworth level stuff. 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.440 Do you remember the Brian Bosworth, the NFL player, Like, yeah, yeah, 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.040 they would he would go to He got drafted by 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.560 the Seattle Seahawks and he made all these shirts in 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:09.840 that said like kill Brian Bosworth and sold them in 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:14.440 Denver to Denver fans, and like every city he would 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.480 go to. He was so outspoken. People hated him so much. 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.600 It was like MJF. When MJF was like all full 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:25.080 heel before he was the Brochaco and people hated him 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.840 in every city they would go to there and nobody 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:29.800 knew he was the owner of them. Nobody knew he 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:31.760 was the guy who designed the shirts. There was just 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.520 a booth that would sell like you know, fuck you, 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.879 Brian Bosworth, like all this shit, and he was just 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.360 reaping in all the money from it. 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:42.840 And that's what Haurle did. Man, he flipped it up. 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:47.640