1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: I AM six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John coblt podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 3: Are you going to be dancing on the ceiling at 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 3: New Year's Eve? You're looking for something to do, wondering 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 3: what to do in New Year's Eve. We're gonna get 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 3: into that. I'm Phil Schuman with you until four o'clock 7 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 3: here in for John co Belt at KFI AM six forty. 8 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 3: As I mentioned, we are live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 9 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: Still love for you to click on that microphone. 10 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 3: Icon and send in a message of hope, of criticism, 11 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 3: of optimism. What you're excited about for the new year, 12 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 3: what you accomplished during this past year. 13 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: I have a lot of thoughts on that, and I'm 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: going to be sharing with you. I'm with you today 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: and tomorrow in the John co Belt time slot from 16 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: one to four here and KFI appreciate the opportunity to 17 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: fill in for John as you get some well deserved 18 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: time off. 19 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 3: Been fairly low key holidays for me, What about for you? 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: I mean, we were in town over Christmas. We had 21 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: a great Christmas party at the house. We had some 22 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,319 Speaker 3: issues with some home maintenance. I'm gonna have to take 23 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 3: out a home equity loan, I think to pay for 24 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: some plumbing repairs that were most most unexpected and unwelcome, 25 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: but hey, that's what goes with owning a home, right. 26 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: So before the break, we were talking about crime. You know, 27 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 3: not to be a bummer, but it's the reality of 28 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: life here in Southern California. 29 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: You have to be careful these days. 30 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,639 Speaker 3: You never know when and where you might become a victim, 31 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: and we certainly don't want that to happen. One of 32 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: the things that we're hoping for is that Nathan Hackman, 33 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: the new Los Angeles County District Attorney, along with his 34 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 3: counterparts in other Southern California counties, particularly Orange County, San Bernardino, 35 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: San Riverside, Ventura, they continue to send out the message 36 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 3: to the bad guys that they're they're cracking down on crime. 37 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: And a couple of numbers which have sort of been 38 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 3: in the news are forty seven and thirty six. Now, 39 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: if you follow the news, and if you're listening to 40 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 3: us here on KFI, I'm going to assume that you 41 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: do pay attention to what's happening, that you vote, that 42 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 3: you're up on current events. So I don't probably need 43 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 3: to tell you, but I'm going to remind you about 44 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 3: PROMP forty seven that was back in November of twenty fourteen, 45 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 3: when California voters passed Prop forty seven. That's a lot 46 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: that changed certain crimes, that reduced crimes from felonies to misdemeanors, 47 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 3: and reduced incarceration costs. And then the idea was that 48 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: they would use that savings to invest in drug and 49 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 3: mental health treatment and facilities and money for K through 50 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 3: twelve schools victim services. Well, you know that part didn't 51 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: really work out too well, and we heard so much criticism, 52 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 3: especially here in La County. And that's one of the 53 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: reasons that Da George Gascon was defeated so soundly in 54 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 3: the November election, is that, in particularly when it came 55 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 3: to smash and grab robberies shoplifting, there was the perception, 56 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: not often the fact that these were misdemeanors and that 57 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 3: you know, you knew if you're a bad guy, that 58 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 3: if you stole nine hundred and ninety nine dollars worth 59 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 3: of merchandise and you are in a crew, and a 60 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: crew that with maybe ten of you, that if you 61 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: each stole nine hundred and ninety nine dollars worth of merchandise. 62 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: It wasn't it's under the felony limit. It's not going 63 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 3: to be prosecuted as a felony. That's not necessarily the case, 64 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: but again, the perception is often more important than the facts. 65 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 3: So it led to Proposition thirty six, which was passed 66 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: overwhelmingly in the state. Sixty eight percent of voters said 67 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: yes to Prop. Thirty six, which imposed harsher penalties in 68 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: particular for theft like the retail theft, and particular drug possession. 69 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: And what the reason I was talking. 70 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: About this today is because over the weekend Governor knew 71 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 3: some I guess you'd say he doubled down. 72 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: That's how one of the headlines put it. 73 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: On his opposition of Prop thirty six, he felt that 74 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: the newly enacted statewide anti crime initiative really wasn't going 75 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 3: to result in making us safer, and he said that 76 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: claims that Proposition thirty six resulted in harsher penalties for 77 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: the smash and grabs and the retail theft weren't really true. 78 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 3: That he said that that was really due to his 79 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 3: California Highway Patrol anti organized retail theft task Forces, and 80 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: I think both things are true. I mean, remember Prop 81 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 3: thirty six passed overwhelmingly last month, and that was a 82 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: signal to the governor that he totally misread that people 83 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: were fed up. 84 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: And so its strengthened. 85 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: Penalties for people suspected of theft, and it sort of 86 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 3: corrected what people felt was the failed Prop. Forty seven, 87 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: which was all about criminal justice reform. Some said it 88 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 3: limited police response to thefts, even to homelessness and other crimes. 89 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: And yes, the CHP Task Forces, I remember I covered 90 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 3: some of their press conferences where they display the recovered merchandise, 91 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: and they have these officials from Sacramento that look incredibly 92 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: uncomfortable on camera talking about how they've been successful in 93 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 3: making arrests and all that's great, and they've recovered millions 94 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 3: of dollars worth of stolen goods. And I think in 95 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four alone, the status that they arrested more 96 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 3: than fourteen hundred people. So again, the follow up is 97 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 3: a lot more difficult. You can see how many people 98 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 3: were arrested, yes, but how many people were charged with 99 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: those felony crimes, and how many of those people had priors, 100 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: and how many of those people as a result, were 101 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 3: sentenced to prison time. I mean, that's a little bit 102 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: harder to get that information on. It's again, it's easy 103 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: to talk have a press conference talking about arrests, but 104 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: Governor Newsome, you know, he really was out there on 105 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 3: an island in opposing Prop. 106 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: Thirty six. 107 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: I mean, you don't have to be a genius to 108 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 3: realize that public appearinion on criminal justice has shifted so 109 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: strongly from ten years ago. I mean again, twenty fourteen, 110 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: the thinking was Prop forty seven criminal justice reform, Well, 111 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 3: going to be more liberal, more open minded, more forgiving, 112 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: more interested in rehabilitation than in locking people up and 113 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: sending them away for lengthy sentences. And great, we're going 114 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: to save all this money that we would spend on 115 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: incarceration and create new mental health clinics and rehabilitation facilities 116 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 3: and services for victims, which you know, really didn't happen. 117 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: So the headline that I'm looking at right here is 118 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 3: that shifts in Los Angeles County. 119 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: And again this is true. 120 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 3: You know, we focus on Los Angeles County, but really 121 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 3: it's a Southern California issue. Is that the opinion on 122 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 3: criminal justice shifted significantly, and that's what Governor Newsom seems 123 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 3: to me that he failed to recognize. But hey, he's 124 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 3: in the way out anyway, right, So what difference does 125 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 3: it make? Does it matter for him? But let me 126 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 3: give you some numbers here. Back in twenty fourteen, fifty 127 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 3: eight percent of Democrats approved Proposition forty seven. This time around, 128 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: Proposition thirty six was passed with forty seven percent support 129 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: from Republicans. Back in twenty fourteen, thirty eight percent of 130 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: republic of Democrats approved Proposition forty seven, and this time 131 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: around eighty two percent of Republicans approved Proposition thirty six. 132 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: So you can see a huge split along party lines there. 133 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 3: But the bottom line is that there's the perception. And 134 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: again we're going to get into Nathan Hafkman and his 135 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: plans for his first term coming up in the next segment. 136 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: But the perception is that, hey, no longer do you 137 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 3: have a free ride. If you're a criminal here in 138 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: southern California, we're going to arrest you, we're going to 139 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 3: charge you, and we're going to put you in jail 140 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: for a significant period of time, and not just to 141 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: punish you, but also to prevent you from being out 142 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: on the streets and committing other crimes. 143 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: So who could be opposed to that? Right? Nobody? Somebody? 144 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: Are you opposed to it? I'm not opposed to it. 145 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: I think that makes perfect sense. 146 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 3: But I also think at the same time that maybe 147 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: gascon was misunderstood and got a bit of a raw deal. 148 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: But that's why we have elections, right all right, I'm 149 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: Phil Chewing in for John coblt. Coming up in the 150 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: next hour or so, we're gonna talk about Nathan Hawkman, 151 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: We're going to talk about what the latest movie is 152 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 3: in the Meninderes Brothers case. And then in our third 153 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 3: hour we're gonna light things up a little bit. How 154 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: about the Rams and Chargers being in the playoffs both 155 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: at the same time for the first time I think 156 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 3: in six years. And also the Birthday Boy, the one 157 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: and only, the incomparable, the ageless lebron James turns forty. 158 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: What is the secret to his success, to his longevity. 159 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 3: We'll have a special guest with some insight into all 160 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: of that. 161 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 4: Sounds great, right, You're listening to John Cobelt on demand 162 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 4: from Kiev six forty. 163 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 3: I'm Phil Schuman in for John co Belt with you 164 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 3: today from one to four and also tomorrow from one 165 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 3: to four. 166 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: How are you. 167 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 3: How's your holiday season been going? Have you done anything exciting? 168 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 3: Have you gone on any trips? Did you brave lax? 169 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: Do you have any big plans for New Year's Eve? 170 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 3: My wife and I are going to a great friends 171 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 3: restaurant in Studio City tomorrow night. 172 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: Should be a fun evening. 173 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: There's also, as always, that big party in downtown LA 174 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: at Grand Park. When I say the word the name 175 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 3: d Nice, what do you think of? Right, the DJ 176 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 3: that's going to be hosting the party. But if you're 177 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 3: with me on this, how many of you are Key 178 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 3: and Peel fans? You know the Key and Peel skit? 179 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: Anybody can nod their head substitute teacher where he mispronounces 180 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: the student's names and he calls Denise d Nice. Just 181 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 3: humor me and go online and spend some time if 182 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 3: you want to laugh on Key and Peel. It's one 183 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 3: of the great tragedies of our time is that Key 184 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 3: and Peel no longer do comedy together. They're both gone 185 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 3: to gone onto huge careers on their own. Jordan Peel 186 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 3: of course great director and Keeglan Mike and Key. You 187 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 3: know what I love. He does football commentary. He's a 188 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: big Detroit Lions fan. So I digress. But I'm on 189 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: Instagram on my phone and by the way, you can 190 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 3: follow me on Twitter slash x at Foxville if you're 191 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 3: so inclined. I don't post a lot, but I spend 192 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: way too much time, like all of us, probably on 193 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 3: my phone looking at my phone. I don't think I 194 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: have fomo. It's just a habit that I've developed, all right. 195 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 3: So before we went away for that break, we were 196 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: talking about crime, the fear of crime, crime stats Prop 197 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 3: forty seven versus Prop thirty six, and the difference in 198 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 3: attitude from our top law enforcement official, at least from 199 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: the District Attorney's office, Nathan Hakman, who was reelected overwhelmingly, 200 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 3: rather I should say elected overwhelmingly. 201 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: Did you see the numbers. I mean, this was a landslide. 202 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 3: It was sixty one percent for Hawkman versus like thirty 203 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: nine percent for gascon which was a repudiation of gascones 204 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: as Hawkman called them, quote pro criminal blanket policies. So 205 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time, at least as much 206 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 3: as media members are allowed to with George Gascone at 207 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: news conferences, at various public events, and I had this 208 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 3: very discussion with him because one of the reasons that 209 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: Hawkman was elected is because he promised to abolish some 210 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: of Gascone's policies and bring back gang related sentencing enhancements, 211 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 3: having prosecutors at tend parole hearings with victims' families so 212 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 3: they can make sure that convicts so they don't believe 213 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: deserve to be released, stay behind bars. He's going to 214 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 3: return to prosecuting low level, nonviolent crimes that he said, 215 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 3: guest goone never prosecuted, are rarely prosecuted, such a thing 216 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 3: as making criminal threats, trespassing, disturbing the peace, loitering. A 217 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: lot of that has to do with homelessness, and a 218 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 3: lot of that really requires a partnership with police agencies. 219 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: It's not just up to the disc attorney. 220 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 3: I mean, as we've heard on Law and Order, how 221 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 3: does the phrase goo regeta police. 222 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: Arrest criminals. 223 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 3: It's up to the district attorney to prosecute them. And 224 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 3: a lot of times, you know, I find myself covering 225 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 3: news stories and you hear somebody so and so has 226 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 3: been charged with murder, it's like, well, they haven't charged 227 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 3: with murder, they've been arrested on the allegation of murder. 228 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: The police make arrests, the district attorney decides what, if 229 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 3: any criminal charge is to file. So I question guests 230 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,599 Speaker 3: going about this and tell me what you think about this. 231 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 3: And this is what was lost in the anti gascon narrative. 232 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: It's like his perspective was this, if I'm sentencing someone 233 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 3: to murder and they're gonna go away for thirty years 234 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 3: to life, then adding a gun enhancement, which might give 235 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 3: them an additional ten years, does not make the streets 236 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: of southern California safer because realistically speaking, they're never gonna 237 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 3: get out of prison anyway. If they're sixty years old 238 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 3: and they're sentenced to thirty years to life. Now if 239 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 3: they're eighteen years old, that's a whole different argument. But again, 240 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 3: this was his sort of philosophy. Call it liberal if 241 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 3: you want, call it progressive, but it's like the feel 242 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 3: good or the vengeful or the revengeful enhancements to a 243 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: sentence might make the victim's family feel better, might make victims' 244 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 3: advocates feel better, and there's real value in that but 245 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: does it make the streets of southern California safer if 246 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 3: someone is going away for thirty years or thirty two 247 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 3: and a half years. He also said that people fail 248 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 3: to recognize that the stat that he used, what I 249 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: think was act, is that eighty to ninety percent of 250 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: those who are sentenced to prison get out. So there 251 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: needs to be a focus on rehabilitation. That's why he's 252 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: thank you, That's why he spent money and time on 253 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 3: efforts to rehabilitate prisoners. Christine Devine, by the way, has 254 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 3: a fantastic story on the Fox eleven News at ten 255 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: o'clock tonight about a program that rehabilitates and educate educates prisoners. 256 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 3: You have to miss it. You can check it out 257 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 3: on the Fox lay dot com website. So that's why 258 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: I said before the break that I felt that gas 259 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 3: going he was caught up in the in the soft 260 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 3: on crime narrative, and but people that spent the time 261 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 3: to actually listen to what his sort of philosophies were, 262 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 3: I think would have a better understanding of where he 263 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 3: was coming from. Was it a huge failure in that 264 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 3: he was drummed out of office? 265 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: Yes? 266 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 3: Is it bad that when you go to CVS that 267 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 3: the deodorant is locked up and you need like a court. 268 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: Order to buy you know, razors or shaving. 269 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 5: Based every time I go, I'm like whatever, I'm just 270 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 5: amazon it. 271 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: Then that's terrible. 272 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 5: I'm gonna order it and it's gonna cost so many 273 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 5: more resources just to get because I don't want to. 274 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 3: Do We hate to see all those security camera videos 275 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: of the flash mobs stripping the shells in a North 276 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 3: Trum or seven to eleven. Of course we hate to 277 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: see that. Is that Gascon's fault, I don't think so. 278 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 3: Is Hawkman going to make a difference? I hope so. 279 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: But do you think, like I don't know any criminals 280 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: personally that well, I don't know if you do. But 281 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 3: in other words, if and we've heard this on some comments, 282 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 3: but do you think the criminal mind is going through 283 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 3: the thought process of hmm, I'm in Los Angeles County. 284 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 3: So if I commit this smash and grab robbery, that 285 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 3: guy guess going he's not going to charge me if 286 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 3: I get arrested anyway, So what the hell, I'm just 287 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 3: gonna go ahead and do it. 288 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 5: I think some people definitely believe that to be the case, 289 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 5: and they were doing it because of that. But if 290 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 5: they if the rhymes are tough for people right now. 291 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: But if they're smart enough to go through that whole 292 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 3: thought process, you would think they would be smart enough 293 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 3: to not break the law in the first place. I 294 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 3: know that may be naive and overly simplistic, but I 295 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: just have a hard time imagining them being rational about this. 296 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: But having said that, we have heard occasions where there's 297 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: been security camera footage or there's audio from jail cells 298 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: release where people have admitted that, you know, that gascone 299 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: you know in Los Angeles county's not going to prosecute 300 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 3: me any which I'm just going to go ahead and 301 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: do this. But I think that's definitely the exception to 302 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: the rule. The bottom line is there's a new DA 303 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 3: in town and he says this culture of lawlessness is 304 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 3: going to be reversed. And you know, this is a guy, Hawkman. 305 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 3: He grew up in southern California. He's married and think 306 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: he gives three kids. He spent his entire life here 307 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: and he's invested in it as well as are we all. 308 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: What do we want? 309 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 3: We want a safe place to live in. We want 310 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: our kids to do better than us. We want to 311 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 3: be able to, you know, have a nice life, pay 312 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: the bills, live in a safe environment. So when Hawkman 313 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 3: runs on the campaign or I'm going to deliver that 314 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 3: for you, it's no surprise that he got elected. Right now, 315 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 3: one of the big issues facing him, and we're going 316 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 3: to talk about this after the break, is what to 317 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 3: do about those Menendez brothers. 318 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: They've been in prison for thirty years. Do they deserve 319 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: to get out? 320 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 3: As gascon and and a lot of supporters of the 321 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 3: Menendez brothers feel, is Hawkman going. 322 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: To try to derail that? 323 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 3: And what the Menendez brothers family members attorney is trying 324 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 3: to do to sort of eliminate Hawkman's decision making from 325 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: the process. 326 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: That's after a break. 327 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobel's on demand from KFI A six. 328 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: When I say the name Menendez, it brings up so 329 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 3: many emotions for us here in southern California, at least 330 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 3: of a certain age, right, shock, fear, terror, outrage, maybe sympathy. 331 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 3: If you're listening to us here in KFI, I certainly 332 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 3: don't need to recite the history of them, of the 333 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 3: Menendez case, which way back in nineteen eighty nine, twenty 334 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: one year old Lyle and eighteen year old Eric shotgun 335 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 3: their parents to death and their families Beverly Hills home. 336 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 3: After the second trial, they were convicted and sentenced to 337 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 3: life without parole. Now, what's important to keep in mind 338 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: here is that there are lots of moving parts in 339 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 3: the effort to get them released. Did you see the 340 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 3: Netflix series on the Menendez Brothers. If you're looking for 341 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: something to do over the holidays when you have some 342 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 3: time and you can afford Netflix, I mean most people 343 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 3: have Netflix, right, you got to sacrifice to get Netflix. 344 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: The series was just shockingly well done. And when I 345 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 3: say well done, I mean from a dramatic presentation, it 346 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 3: was shocking. The depiction of the murders, the brothers, their 347 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 3: sessions with the das, with their counselors. I mean, it 348 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 3: was just very impactful. So an important name to keep 349 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 3: in mind now as we look ahead to their potential 350 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 3: release is Kathleen Katie at cd Y, And if you're 351 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 3: an insider in Los Angeles law enforcement, you know that name. 352 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 3: She was a Deputy District attorney for about thirty years. 353 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 3: She left the office shortly before George Gascon was elected 354 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 3: and she's a victim rights advocate, if you will, And 355 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 3: she's recently been appointed, pending approval by county authorities, to 356 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 3: the position of victims the director of the Department of 357 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 3: the District Attorney's Bureau of Victims Services, the District Attorney's 358 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 3: Bureau of Victim Services which was very much underplayed during 359 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 3: the Gascon administration. So she is a very close ally 360 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 3: and was a prominent booster of Nathan Hawkman. And so 361 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 3: this is his offer to her to come on board 362 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 3: and be the director of the Bureau Victim Services. Now, 363 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 3: what makes this particularly relevant to the Menendez case and 364 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 3: why this is important is that previously she had been 365 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 3: the attorney for Milton Anderson, who is Milton Anderson. He 366 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: is one of the brothers of Kitty Menendez, and unlike 367 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 3: most all of the Menendez family members, he has strongly 368 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 3: opposed the release of Eric and Lyle Menendez. Now she 369 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 3: has since no longer represents Anderson. But what that has 370 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 3: led to is now members of the family of Menendez family. 371 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: Have asked the. 372 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 3: California Attorney General to take over the Menendez case then 373 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 3: remove it from District Attorney George Gascon. Because of this, 374 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 3: perceived conflict of interest between him and is recently named 375 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 3: Director of the Bureau of Victim Services Kathleen Katie. 376 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: So this is a lawyer, Brian Friedman is his name. 377 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 3: He represents I think two dozen relatives of Eric and 378 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 3: Lyle Menendez, and they intend to petition the court to 379 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 3: transfer the case to the California Attorney General's office. Now, 380 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 3: a very brief summary of this whole thing is, remember 381 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 3: when Gascone was in office, in his final days, he 382 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 3: had a couple of press conferences in which he announced 383 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 3: his support for the immediate release of Eric and Lyle 384 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 3: based on the fact that they had been abused, and 385 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: that had we known what we know now about how 386 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 3: males can be abused in addition to females, that the 387 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 3: proper sentence could have been something as low as involuntary 388 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 3: manslaughter and not life in prison without parole. And have 389 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 3: we now in twenty twenty four, we're going to look 390 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 3: take another look at this case under what he has 391 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: his resentencing district attorneys and has decided to petition the 392 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 3: court to grant the Menendez brothers immediate release because had 393 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 3: they been sentenced for involuntary manslaughter or even manslaughter that 394 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 3: would have long served their sentences. They've been behind bars 395 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 3: for thirty years and essentially they deserve to be released immediately. 396 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 3: It's not his decision. It has to be approved by 397 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 3: the court. They went to court, the judge delayed it 398 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 3: because of the new disc attorney coming in. Hawkman has said, 399 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 3: I need time to review the thousands of pages of 400 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 3: court Dokins documents before he weighed in. I've had attorneys 401 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 3: tell me both Hawkman can derail this and Hawkman can't 402 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 3: derail it because it's now in the hands of the 403 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 3: Superior Court. But my prediction is, and you can take 404 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 3: this for what it's worth, but my prediction is that 405 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 3: the Menendaz brothers will not be released, that Hawkman will 406 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 3: come out against their release as a statement to the 407 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 3: people of southern California, no doubt well researched on his 408 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 3: behalf that the original sentence of life in prison without 409 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 3: the possibility of parole should stand and that yes, there 410 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 3: have been I guess you'd call it advances and the 411 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 3: understanding of the nature the types of abuse that people 412 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 3: can can you know, endure, But that does not mean 413 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 3: the Menendez. 414 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: Brothers should get a get out of jail free card. 415 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 3: Again, this is my opinion based on recent developments, based 416 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 3: on my sense of what Hawkman's new approach is going 417 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 3: to be to the office, which can be summarized and 418 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 3: very simply in three words, tough on crime. He's also said, 419 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 3: interestingly that the Menendez brothers aren't a packaged deal, which 420 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 3: is the first time I've ever heard anybody bring this up. 421 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 3: He was saying that what won the ruling on one 422 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 3: brother may not be the same as a ruling on 423 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 3: the other brother. I mean, I don't get that at all. 424 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 3: But this was a big La Times headline a couple 425 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 3: of weeks ago. He was saying, Wow, they're called the 426 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: Menendez brother's case. There's an Eric Menendez and there's Lyle Menendez. 427 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 3: So this was actually in an interview with NBC anchor 428 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 3: Lester Holt. He said, we're going to look at each 429 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 3: case separately, which is the way they actually should be handed. 430 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: Well, what's news to me. If that's the way they 431 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: actually should be handled, why would they try together not once, 432 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: but twice back in you know, the nineteen nineties. So 433 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: the Menendez brothers continues to be the. 434 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 3: Source of you know, grist for the Ruamill subject matter 435 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 3: for talk radio for the pundits to debate. But the 436 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 3: fact that Nathan Hawkman chose a strong pro victim's advocate, 437 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 3: Kathleen Katie, to be as director of the Bureau Victim Services. 438 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 3: And I interviewed Katie in number of times on a 439 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 3: number of different cases, and I've always found her to 440 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 3: be like, incredibly thoughtful and rational and a real deep 441 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 3: thinker about issues of criminal justice and criminalist's reform. I mean, 442 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 3: she was involved in the Sir Hands Sir Hand probation 443 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 3: of parole hearings, and she's just a strong voice for 444 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 3: the victims, which has been largely ignored or all but 445 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 3: ignored according to the gasco and critics. The fact fact 446 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 3: that Katie and Hawkman are now working together in the 447 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 3: District Attorney's office signals to me anyway that the Menendez 448 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 3: brother's release is far from certain, and I would say 449 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 3: ultimately is going to be denied because if he comes 450 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 3: out strongly against it, that has to be taken into 451 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 3: consideration by the judges in the Superior Court. So it's 452 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 3: not going to be till later on in January that 453 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 3: this is back in court. And it's something we're going 454 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 3: to no doubt be talking about quite a bit between 455 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 3: now and then. 456 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: All Right, So that is the latest of Menendez brothers. 457 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 3: If you're following the problem that I say is too 458 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 3: big to fix, homelessness, you are no doubt dismayed to 459 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 3: hear the news that on a national level, homelessness is 460 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 3: up almost twenty percent. Now it's down here in Los 461 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: Angeles City, in Los Angeles County. Some people question the 462 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: whole methodology of counting, but that's certainly the accepted story. 463 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: Mayor Bass and county officials are saying, we're doing things 464 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 3: better differently than they're doing in other jurisdictions, which is 465 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 3: why the homelessness numbers are up nationwide. We're gonna get 466 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 3: into that, and as always, I invite you to record 467 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 3: a comment. Click the microphone icon on the iHeartRadio app. 468 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 3: I'm Phil Schuman with you till four o'clock here on KFI, 469 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 3: sitting in for John co Belt. 470 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 471 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 4: six forty. 472 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,719 Speaker 3: At just fifty years old, that Michael Jackson died and 473 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 3: that is just was just such a tragic loss command kind. 474 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 3: I mean, every accidental drug related overdose death is sad, 475 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 3: but I mean Michael Jackson was a genius, you know, 476 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 3: to die of propofall intoxication. I mean, yes, doctor Conrad 477 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 3: Murray did go to prison for like five minutes for that, 478 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 3: as you should have. But just one of the great 479 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 3: losses of a real icon in the music industry. Has 480 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 3: anybody did you see what was the MJ the musical? 481 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 3: Did you guys see that at Pantagious when it was here? 482 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 3: That comes back? It's worth seeing that. 483 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was about the preparation for the Pepsi tour. 484 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: That was the one. 485 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 3: Remember when his hair caught on fire during the filming 486 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 3: of a commercial and it was really well done and 487 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 3: it really showed a lot of dynamics, a lot of 488 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 3: them negative, between himself and his father and his family, 489 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 3: and it just you know, who isn't a Michael Jackson fan. 490 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 3: But at the same time, I remember being in court 491 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 3: in Santa Maria when he was on trial for the 492 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 3: child molestation allegations. So there's so many facets to Michael 493 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 3: Jackson and it just always seems to me. 494 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: And forgive me for that. 495 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 3: I didn't mean to get off on a Michael Jackson tangent, 496 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 3: but you know, the music choice brought it up. It 497 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 3: just seems to me it was so sad, with such 498 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 3: a big family and so many people in the Motown 499 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 3: family and the record industry that loved him and cared 500 00:27:55,080 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 3: for him, that he died under such tragic, lonely circumstances 501 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 3: in this like rented mansion in bel Air. 502 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: Nobody was able to take care of him. 503 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 3: Nobody could straighten them out, nobody could talk to him 504 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 3: and say, Michael, you're gonna die if you stay on 505 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 3: this route, whether it was Quincy Jones or anybody in 506 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 3: his close or extended circle. So I get maybe that's 507 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 3: a lesson for us, for us mere mortals. You know, 508 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 3: if you have friends, if you have family members, you 509 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 3: have contacts that you know or you know going down 510 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 3: a dangerous path, take action, step in, say something, get 511 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 3: them some help, even though you might feel awkward about 512 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 3: it and they may not want to hear it. So 513 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 3: we'll add that to our long list of resolutions for 514 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 3: the New Year, ways to make ourselves better people. Right, So, 515 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: when it comes to homelessness, what do you think about that? 516 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 3: I mean talking about being a better person? Do we 517 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: still have compassion? Are we over that? Do we have contempt, anger, fear, 518 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 3: all of those things? I mean, I think in Southern California, 519 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 3: in particular, we're so over it that compassion has like 520 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 3: long gone out the window. I mean I even feel 521 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 3: that way myself sometimes, and I like to think of 522 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 3: myself as a compassionate person. But I bring this up 523 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: because of the headlines that you've no doubt heard over 524 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 3: the past few days. The United States saw an eighteen 525 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 3: percent increase in homelessness this year, a dramatic rise, as 526 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 3: the Associated Press describes it, driven mostly by a lack 527 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 3: of affordable housing, as well as natural disasters and a 528 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 3: surge of migrants in several parts of the country. 529 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: This is all according to the FEDS. 530 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 3: These are numbers, by the way, from the US Department 531 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 3: of Housing and Urban Development. Almost a million people homeless 532 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 3: in the United States, while we send billions overseas. Don't 533 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 3: get me started on that. But here in southern California. 534 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 3: So when that came out, you guys are familiar with LASA. 535 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 3: I've talked about it here many times. Los Angeles Homeless 536 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 3: Services Authority. It's a joint city county agency that was 537 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 3: created about thirty years ago to try to facilitate use 538 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 3: of funding and programs and services. Both the city County, 539 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 3: both the City Council and the County Board of Supervisors 540 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 3: have both been very critical of LASA. There's some real 541 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 3: questions about their accountability. They say, we're doing better that 542 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 3: a lot of these problems about accountability and how they 543 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 3: spend their money and how they measure results in progress. 544 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 3: Where during the pandemic when things were all sort of unsettled, 545 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 3: and we've done much better on that. So when the homeless, 546 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 3: when the national homeless numbers came out, of course the 547 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 3: media relations departments of the city and the county and 548 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 3: LASA went into overdrive. I'm on all those email distribution lists. 549 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 3: LASA Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority sent out I hope 550 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 3: your holidays have been good. I want to make sure 551 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 3: that everyone had this statement in response to hudds released 552 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 3: today of the national homeless numbers. And this is from 553 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 3: doctor Alicia Adams Kellum, who's the CEO of LASA and 554 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 3: is one of the key players, of course in our 555 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 3: whole strategy to solve and I use the term loosely 556 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 3: or at least deal with the homelessness emergency Basically, she said, 557 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 3: Los Angeles is one of the few communities in the 558 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 3: country that saw a decrease in homelessness. 559 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: Yes, and that is true. 560 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 3: The homelessness in the county, I think went down five 561 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 3: percent from twenty two to twenty three, and in the 562 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 3: city of Los Angeles the numbers were even better, was 563 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 3: reduced about ten percent. Anyway, this statement went on to say, 564 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 3: what's happening in LA is working. The collaboration between LASA, 565 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 3: the city, the county, and service providers works, and lossa's 566 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 3: changes to the rehousing system are working. We are making progress. 567 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 3: Now is not the time to go backward. Our commune 568 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 3: he must redouble its efforts in pursuing what we know 569 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 3: works to bring all our unsheltered neighbors home. And when 570 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 3: we say what we know works is that basically step 571 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 3: one is getting people physically off the streets, cleaning up 572 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 3: the encampments, offering people interrum housing. 573 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: That's, if you will, the easy part. 574 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 3: But LASS is saying what they're doing in terms of 575 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 3: and again this relatively new term rehousing is working in 576 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 3: the sense that they're moving people from the street to 577 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 3: permanent housing. That numbers increase forty five percent. They play 578 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 3: and they name the people that are moving from the 579 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 3: street to interim housing is up thirty two percent. Again, 580 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 3: these are going to be numbers from twenty two to 581 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 3: the end of twenty three. So the county and the city, 582 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,719 Speaker 3: and we know, of course Mayor Bass is priority number one. 583 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 3: You've heard of the Inside Safe program that the city 584 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 3: has been pursuing since Bass took office two years ago. 585 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 3: We know that the at least the homeless problem of 586 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 3: encampments has gotten better, significantly better. I would say it's 587 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 3: certainly not resolved. As I mentioned, I was on my 588 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 3: way to the Sofi Stadium on Manchester in the four 589 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 3: or five really bad, dirty, large, sprawling encampment, tense, trash, 590 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 3: debris everywhere. So yes, there's a lot of work left 591 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 3: to be done. But if we don't want to be 592 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 3: super cynical, and I know a lot of people out 593 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 3: there are super cynical about this, and there's certainly reason 594 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 3: to be because some of the news stories that you 595 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 3: see about accountability and the way they spend money cause 596 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 3: reason for doubt. But you cannot doubt the effort, the commitment, 597 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:50,479 Speaker 3: the money and the long term vision of getting people 598 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 3: off the streets, not just in indrum housing, but into 599 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 3: permanent sorority supportive housing with services. 600 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: It is happening. 601 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 3: It's not happening as fast as we would like, but 602 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 3: we can't stop now, all right? 603 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: Can I get an amen for that? 604 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 3: As we take a break with Brigitta di Agostino in 605 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 3: the KFI twenty four hour newser. 606 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 2: Hey, you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. 607 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 2: You can always hear the show live on KFI Am 608 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 2: six forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday, 609 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 2: and of course, anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.