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Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Think back, just for

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Speaker 1: a moment, think back to a time before you ever

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Speaker 1: death first visited you. Maybe you were at a bedside

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Speaker 1: true earliest memory of death. But just imagine for a moment,

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Speaker 1: kind of in that environment. And the person that has

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Speaker 1: to bear witness to all that remains. Today on Bodybacks,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about one of the darker cases

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Speaker 1: a mother who tried to make a family. You know,

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Speaker 2: Lavina Armstrong's attempt to leave her marriage ended in violence.

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Speaker 2: Husband Gary Green stabbed his wife multiple times with two

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Speaker 2: different knives. When Armstead was dead, Green grabbed his six

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Speaker 2: Back at the house, the older boy was stabbed in

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Bodybags Day. We

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Speaker 1: talk about death on the show. That's what we do.

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Speaker 1: I hate to be so morose because of our relationship

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Speaker 1: She is that foundation, she's your at less. Essentially, potentially,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine that that the small child experienced when

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Speaker 3: It just makes you shudder to think of what people

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Speaker 3: She has three children. Jerome Armstead is twelve, Jared Armstead

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Speaker 3: it was time to annul the marriage based on what

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Speaker 3: we know. There was more than just physical abuse, psychological abuse,

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Speaker 3: and we know that Gary Green was not psychologically healthy.

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Speaker 3: Not throwing that in there as an excuse for what

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Speaker 3: hell that he put his wife, Levita, and the children Jerome,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to tell you, Gary Green, when you

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Speaker 1: And then these babies. You think about them, and how

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Speaker 3: Well, we know that there were two letters written by

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Speaker 1: Joe. Yeah, and one of the most dangerous times to

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Speaker 3: I want to point a couple things out very quickly here. One,

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Speaker 3: Levita and Green had not been married very long. It'd

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Speaker 3: only been a matter of months. And that's why the

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Speaker 3: term annulment is used. Is not thrown around in a

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Speaker 3: more than anything else. Also, when the act took place,

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Speaker 3: I mean, what kind of person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's one of the things that you begin

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Speaker 1: they're screaming in their blood covered. That's not what happened here, Dave.

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Speaker 1: This is kind of cool and calculated, isn't it. And

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Speaker 1: Well it's a mess, It's an absolute mess. So what

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Speaker 3: Can we back up a minute, Joe, because I'm all right,

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Speaker 3: we know that he's got two and he has to

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Speaker 3: How was he able to be this? He didn't have

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Speaker 3: LaVita tied down in the bed and just start stabbing away.

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Speaker 3: They were in a fight, and I wondered the whole

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Speaker 3: We know he's brandishing the weapon and threatening. I'm wondering

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Speaker 3: her mother, because what he did to her mother was

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Speaker 3: multiple I don't know how many times. And I wondered

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Speaker 3: they were in this fight because Levita actually was able

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Speaker 3: to stab Gary Green twice during their fight. He brought

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Speaker 3: This was not some I've already got her down and

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Speaker 3: I'm stabbing. This was a fight.

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Speaker 1: Yes, It's not some kind of stealthy attack, and that

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Speaker 3: LaVita was trying to save not just her life, but

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Speaker 1: On this, Yeah, he would have had to. He would

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. We know that he killed her,

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Speaker 1: If he even attempted to wash his hands off in

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Speaker 1: We can appreciate this because lots of us have used

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Speaker 3: Joe, I'm looking at both of these the victims here

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Speaker 3: Now did that number come from Gary Green saying I

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Speaker 3: All right, So how do we know? How is it

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Speaker 1: It's an excellent question, and I'm so glad you asked that,

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Speaker 1: Let's face it, Dave, You'll have bruises all over the

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Speaker 1: Well, again, that's deepended upon which vessels are clipped. And

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Speaker 1: how complicated it is. If you want the person to survive,

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Speaker 1: you've also got to hang units of blood on them

432
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Speaker 1: because they've lost blood. It's a real race against the clock.

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Speaker 1: In this particular case.

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Speaker 3: We know that Levita is stabbed thirty times or more,

435
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 3: she's bleeding out, she's dying, and Gary Green then moves

436
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 3: on to his stepdaughter, six year old Jasmine, and we

437
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 3: know based on duct tape with her hands behind her back.

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00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 3: We know this. We also know, as we mentioned earlier,

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00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: asphyxiated and drowned. And my question really, I don't know

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00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 3: how far to go with this, but I'm thinking, was

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00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 3: he trying to strangle her first? Was he trying, you know,

442
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: putting his hands on around her neck and then sticking

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Speaker 3: here underwater or was it simultaneous. Can you figure that out?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can figure it out. I know one thing

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00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: that kind of popped in mind for me when I

446
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: was reading the physician's autopsy report. The cause of death

447
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: is actually going to be hypoxia, which is a lack

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Speaker 1: of oxygen, and you can create that event into one

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00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: of two ways. You can either be drowned. There's other ways,

450
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Speaker 1: but in this case, there's one of two ways. You

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Speaker 1: can either drown or you can inhibit their ability to

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00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: breathe outside of water. You can cover their airway, you

453
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: can compress their neck maybe with your hands or ligature.

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Speaker 1: So I think that you've got this going on both levels. However,

455
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: she was producing and this is noted by the physician

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Speaker 1: that's doing the examination. She's producing this kind of pink

457
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: froth that's coming from her nose. And her mouth, and

458
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: many times we see that associated with drowning, and you

459
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: see it with drug odes too, But you'll get this.

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Speaker 1: We call it frothy, ademitous cone that's coming out of

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Speaker 1: the mouth and it will rise up, and it's really

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00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 1: kind of this strange event that occurs. I've been present.

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Speaker 1: Started my career in New Orleans, so I had a

464
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Speaker 1: lot of water related deaths, drownings, and when you pull

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00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: the body out of the water, many times, all of

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00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: a sudden, when you're laying the deceased on their back,

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00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: this cone begins to appear out of their nose, in

468
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: their mouth and it's bubbling. People will think about the

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Speaker 1: head of a poorly poored beer they showed on television,

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Speaker 1: you know where you have beer, and it's this glorious thing.

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Speaker 1: They say, you know, you don't want this gigantic head

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00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: of white froth on the beer. It's like that only

473
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: in the case of a drowning victim. And in some

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Speaker 1: poisonings and some ods it'll be pink tinged. And that's

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00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: that hemorrhagic event that's going on in the lungs. The

476
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: lungs are screaming, they're crying out for air and it's

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00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: just it's not on the way. So this thing presents

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00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: as well, and she makes note of that. The physician

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00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: does in addition to the petikii and pi or those

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00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: little blood vessels that are bursting. And many times this

481
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: is happening as a result of just the strain of

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00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: this lack of oxygenation. You're struggling for air in some way,

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00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: the airways being compromised, and you see a lot in

484
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: strangulations where you have these little pinprick hemorrhages that are

485
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: taking place in the eyes. It's one of the things

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00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: that we'd look for in cases of strangulation, and you'll

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00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: see those presenting and it's quite striking. When you observe

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00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: them and you make note of it, you know that

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00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: there's something has gone on relative to the airway being compromised.

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Speaker 3: According to the autopsy report on Jasmine, she had a

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00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: hemorrhage on her brain. And I'm trying to figure out

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Speaker 3: how that could happen in the bathtub, assuming that's where

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Speaker 3: she died, Assuming that he put her in the tub

494
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: and was trying to drown her in chokery asphyxiator, how

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00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 3: does she end up with a hemorrhage on her brain.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a fight that's going on. She's got little

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Speaker 1: scrapes and scratches that are covering her body. Oh and

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Speaker 1: by the way, in addition to the duct tape, there

499
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: was a telephone cord that had been tied in a

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00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: knot around her ankles as well.

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00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 3: I forgot to mention that that actually matters when you

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00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: think about it. It wasn't why she didn't run. It's

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Speaker 3: because she was tied up. Her legs were tied up

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00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: so she couldn't run.

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00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: No, she couldn't. There's no way and why you would

506
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: have to restrain a six year old to that point.

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00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: You've got her contained in this specific area.

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Speaker 3: He has destroyed Levita, he has destroyed Jasmine. He actually

509
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: takes a shower where he killed Jasmine. In that same

510
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: shower tub, he washes himself off, gets dressed, and goes

511
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: to church, picks up the boys, and comes home. Now,

512
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: to give you an idea, when they walk in the house,

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00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: Levita is in the bedroom with the You know how

514
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: a master bedroom has a master bath. Well, that's where

515
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: the murder of Levita and Jasmine took place, was in

516
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: the bathroom master bedroom, and that door is locked when

517
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: Gary Green left, he locked that door. So when the

518
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: boys come home, they are told that their mother wanted

519
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: him to take them someplace else. He tells Jerome go

520
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 3: take a bath or shower, and so he goes in there.

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00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: They don't know that Levita and Jasmine are dead at

522
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: this moment, and so Jerome goes to the bath and

523
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 3: to shower, and he hears screaming coming from outside. He

524
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: gets out of the tub and that's when he finds

525
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: out that Jarrett has been stabbed and Garry Green is

526
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: holding a knife to his throat and threatening both boys, saying,

527
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Speaker 3: you know he's going to kill them both. These two boys,

528
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: nine and twelve years old are able to convince this

529
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: monster who has just killed his wife and his stepdaughter,

530
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: these little boys are able to convince him to spare

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Speaker 3: their lives. Don't kill us. We're too young to die.

532
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, too young to die. What kind of fortitude does

533
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: that take in that moment? What level of bravery?

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Speaker 3: And I should mention that he actually the boys don't

535
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: know what has happened to their mom and sister at

536
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Speaker 3: that point point, and we're too young to die. Gary says, Okay,

537
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: you're not going to die.

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00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: Today.

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00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 3: By the way, I need you to go back here

540
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: to your mother's room. He unlocks, the door opens up,

541
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: and that's when the boys see their mom and their sister.

542
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: They see mom in the bedroom, they see the sister

543
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: on the floor of the bathroom, and that's when they

544
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: see the devastation. They testified to this at trial.

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00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: The destruction of this precious family actually took place in

546
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: September two thousand and nine, and it's been since that

547
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: time that gear Green has roughly been incarcerated and has

548
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: been sitting on death row in Huntsville, Texas. That is

549
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: until March seventh, twenty twenty three, when gear Green died

550
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: by the lethal injection at seven o seven pm. I'm

551
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Speaker 1: Josephcott Morgan and this is body backs

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