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Speaker 2: Welcome to Reality with the King.

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Speaker 1: It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and

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Speaker 1: one of the most sought after executive producers in reality

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Speaker 1: television with over ten years of production experience. Twice a

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Speaker 1: week on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with

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Speaker 1: my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows,

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Speaker 1: and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking and

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Speaker 2: Hey rain Drops.

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Speaker 1: On today's episod A Reality for the King, I am

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Speaker 1: reunited with my favorite Haitian Galahadi.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know I love her. She's so gorgeous. She's

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Speaker 2: my girl.

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Speaker 1: She's a comedian, she's a host, she is a journalist.

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Speaker 2: Honey, yes, and we live for her.

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Speaker 1: Please give it up baby, for the one and the

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Speaker 1: only Jesse Wooo.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, so we have to get into

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Speaker 3: this episode. Girl, we got to go back a little

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Speaker 3: bit to this party that Crystal had at her home,

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Speaker 3: and all the girls were doing what they do, which

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Speaker 3: is get into each other's business, right, doing a sort

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Speaker 3: questions about Sutton and just getting information, and all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, her and Garcel got into this sort of

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Speaker 3: like interesting change. Durit use the word attack and garcells

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Speaker 3: I did not attack you, and don't use that word

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Speaker 1: And then Dereise said, why can I use that word?

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Speaker 1: And Erica Jane said, because that's a woman to color

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Speaker 1: your white woe might so explain to me, Jesse Will,

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Speaker 1: as you were watching all of that unfold, what was

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Speaker 4: First of all, I shout out to Erica Jane. A

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Speaker 4: lot of people don't like Erica. I happen to love Erica.

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Speaker 4: She's my fellow cancer, and I feel like cancers a

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Speaker 5: So but I really I'm rooting for Erica.

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Speaker 4: But shout out to her because before garselves could even

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Speaker 4: I'm not here to educate you and Mary pery, Okay,

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Speaker 4: you got minded about it on African lives. You should

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Speaker 5: Girl, girl, let's be for real. And I do think that.

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Speaker 4: But we all know that there's a different connotation between

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Speaker 5: Okay, it's just not the same thing. So shout out

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Speaker 1: No, I really was pleasantly surprised that it wasn't because

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Speaker 1: Because a lot of people did not understand Garcel's point

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Speaker 4: Well, I would have thought that until she gave the pushback.

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Speaker 4: And Garcela was like yo, like I'm not about to

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Speaker 4: Right right, not knowing that he was Garcel's son. So

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Speaker 4: And so y'all are aware. You're aware of what words,

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Speaker 5: Of black women in this society. You're aware.

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Speaker 4: And so for me, it's like if she didn't push back,

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Speaker 5: But because she pushed back, I was like, oh no,

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Speaker 5: she meant it. She meant it. She meant it.

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Speaker 1: When when, when all that was unfolding, guar celles mood

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Speaker 1: Like I'm over it, and the read girl got up,

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Speaker 5: She said, oh, you're not going to educate me. Well,

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Speaker 4: Because here's the thing too, right, let me tell you,

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Speaker 4: whenever a black woman says something like that, here's why

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Speaker 5: Now, we're gonna do the tit for tat.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be Oh but but but ain't no.

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Speaker 5: But there's no buts. I'm not butting with you. We're

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Speaker 4: We're not doing that. We're not doing that. We're not

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Speaker 5: You've seen.

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Speaker 4: What has happened to me in this group and what

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Speaker 1: Earlier this season, they were in Vegas and Garcel told

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Speaker 4: To you ladies, right, we've seen how her children were treated.

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Speaker 4: These women are well aware of how Garcel has been

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Speaker 5: You know, you know you're aware.

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Speaker 2: If you're a lighter shade black woman telling a darker

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Speaker 1: I've learned that on the courtesy of my shows. And

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Speaker 4: Well, there was an instance where we were having a

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Speaker 4: but I know that wasn't your intention.

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Speaker 5: I never said anything to you, but tell me, yeah,

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Speaker 5: when you when you came.

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Speaker 4: On this Nation one time and you were like, we're

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Speaker 4: talking about how I can land a husband, yes, and

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Speaker 4: you were like, you know, you just gotta.

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Speaker 2: Tone it down. I said it down, ye, remember.

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Speaker 4: That, And so I felt like I understand what you're saying,

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Speaker 4: but I understand what you're saying, and I know that

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Speaker 5: It's like, you know enough about me to know that.

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Speaker 4: I am solf, I am, I am girly, you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean. But I feel like sometimes my perception,

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Speaker 4: just because I am outspoken, is that, damn tone it down.

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Speaker 5: You talk too much, you're.

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Speaker 4: Aggressive, You're loud, you know, Like it's like sometimes I'm

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Speaker 2: We came.

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Speaker 5: It's like nothing we.

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Speaker 2: Again, this is social media.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you something, Carlos, you ever been in

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Speaker 5: And I should have?

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Speaker 4: And when she that's what Garcel was going through. That's

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Speaker 2: I never looked at it that way.

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Speaker 4: I'm want to do something like that right now. That

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Speaker 4: Garcell's not just having a conversation with this white woman

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: But she had this conversation with that white woman on camera.

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Speaker 4: Is she gonna be an angry black woman? And she's like,

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Speaker 5: They don't look at what happened to you.

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Speaker 4: And so Garsell had to go home and live with

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Speaker 4: Who wanted to be educated again on how that word

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Speaker 5: And for that woman to turn around and say, but

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Speaker 5: you didn't know I was Jewish? I'm sorry since one

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Speaker 4: So we're gonna use Judaism as a as a reason

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Speaker 4: Why you know there are Jewish people across different races

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Speaker 5: What are we talking about? Seriously? And that's why Garcela

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Speaker 1: When Garcel said she cried for two nights, I never

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Speaker 1: thought like, oh, to your point, possibly what that means

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Speaker 2: She also thought about.

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Speaker 1: What is interesting about Garcil's presence on Beverly Hills Housewives,

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Speaker 2: You guys just don't know what that feels like.

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Speaker 1: And I praise her on my podcast, I said, I

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Speaker 1: You oftentimes feel like I don't belong you kind of

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Speaker 1: So when Garsell brought the conversation to this show, I

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Speaker 4: There was a moment where dol Rito brought up the

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Speaker 5: Like I'm not right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, when they have the lunch date, Durita was like,

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00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 4: when it comes to privilege, we're all privileged in this group.

440
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 4: All of us are privileged in this group. And it's like,

441
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Speaker 4: I'm just like, she doesn't want to get it. She

442
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 4: really just does not want I get it. She doesn't

443
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 4: want to own what Garcela is saying, I'm so happy

444
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 4: that Garcella kept telling her, well, you know what, it's

445
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 4: on you. But when she kept dealing with the word privilege.

446
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 4: Garcel has like thirty jobs. Garcela does not live the

447
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 4: same life that these other girls are living. Garcel. I've

448
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 4: seen Garcel last year do so many things. She was Survival,

449
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 4: the tickets Netflix, she is narrating a true con show

450
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 4: I believe on Oxygen. Every now and then, you're gonna

451
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 4: see Garcel in a Lifetime movie. She's producing, she's doing podcasts,

452
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 4: she's hosting. Like, Garcel has more jobs than a Jamaican

453
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 4: in order to live in Beverly Hills.

454
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Speaker 5: It's not the same privilege.

455
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're seeing that now with Taraji p Henson

456
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: talking about the paid disparities amongst black actress in Hollywood

457
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: and how she, along with other black actresses were saying

458
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: how they want to quit the business because it's so hard,

459
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 1: and how you have to constantly.

460
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: Work, not because you want to, because you have to.

461
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 5: You have to. So Garcia has to keep up all

462
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 5: these jobs.

463
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 4: She doesn't have a you know, even when she did

464
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 4: have a rich white husband, Garcela was still working.

465
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 5: She was a working actress.

466
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 4: Garca has been a working actress for four decades, and

467
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 4: despite all of her accolades, she still has to work

468
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 4: like a dog in order to share the same platform

469
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 4: with these women.

470
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Speaker 2: I e.

471
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 5: Erica Jane, how'd you get here?

472
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: You had Tom Gerald?

473
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 5: Yes, you had him. You know what I'm saying, Like

474
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 5: Christal got The Lion King Man.

475
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 4: That's my favorite movie of all time, by the way,

476
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 4: and my favorite Broadway shown. But Garcel has to work

477
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 4: ten times harder for her privilege. She has to work

478
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 4: for her privilege and work her privilege. Y'all are just

479
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 4: born with it. It's just get form with it, they.

480
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: Believe, which which breaks me.

481
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: To Lisa Brenna's tweet, So she said this back in

482
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: like twenty twenty two. She tweeted, and I quote, we

483
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: fight on our show. If we fight with Garsell, we

484
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: are all of a sudden called the racist.

485
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: That's bullshit. I will not accept that.

486
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: I will express myself when and how I want, And

487
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: I am not afraid of you hoes.

488
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 4: You know what's crazy, It's crazy watching white people type

489
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 4: in an aave in African American vernacular.

490
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Speaker 5: It's really crazy. What is going on? You hose really.

491
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: I didn't the whole part and listen, the wholest part

492
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: threw me off.

493
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 6: But I can see her like slinging her phone off after.

494
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 6: I'm not scared of you hoes, because I just.

495
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: Don't think Lisa Renda when she's at the Shottamar Mott

496
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: Hoddy with Eileen Davidson, I just listen, Ray drops tell

497
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: me bro wrong. I just don't think that Lisa Renna

498
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: is having lunch with Eileen Davidson and Kathy Hilton, she said,

499
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: fuck these hoes.

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00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: I just don't believe that.

501
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 5: Okay, go ahead, no, absolutely not.

502
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: But see, but that's privilege again, because it's like again,

503
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 4: it's the way of her, as a white woman woman

504
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 4: not having to acknowledge that certain speech is very hurtful

505
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: to certain groups of people, to black people. It's kind

506
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 4: of like when Garcel. I think it was like last

507
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 4: season or the season before where.

508
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 5: They were talking about race.

509
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 4: Or something like that, and Garcel was like, I think

510
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 4: she asked, Dorrid, well, how many black people do.

511
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 5: You have a run? Oh? I mean I have like

512
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 5: people around the house that work around the house.

513
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 6: Oh my mom's best friend is black.

514
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: Let me tell you about that. Let me tell you.

515
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: Stout that look. I think Garsel being on this show.

516
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: And I've said this since day one. Listen, she's a

517
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: national treasure. I think Garcela is great for the show.

518
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: I think she brings a much needed presence to that show.

519
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: And I think she's a great housewife.

520
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: The only thing I ever said about Garsell was I

521
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: just don't believe her and Sutton are like the best

522
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: of friends.

523
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: And that's that's just my opinion.

524
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: I just think they have I think they're both like, listen,

525
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: we're new kids on the block.

526
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: Let's form an alliance and let's be the new girl. Baby.

527
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 5: I'm sorry the girls this season.

528
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: This is let me tell you something. I am team

529
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: Sutting this season. This is Sutton's best season.

530
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 5: Name name them, name them.

531
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Speaker 2: She's getting the girls together. She's getting the girls.

532
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: Together, baby, And I'm here for and I am here

533
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: for Garsel shedding light. Listen for me to be a

534
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: black man in this business and to watch that show

535
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: and see that.

536
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that scene made me love her even

537
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: more when she.

538
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: Was able to just say her toop like, y'all don't

539
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: know what it feels like to be the only one.

540
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: Y'all just don't know. I know what that feels like.

541
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: You know what that feels like. You know what I'm saying.

542
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: It's worthy talking about that, but it doesn't feel good.

543
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: So I love that she's bringing this on the show. Look,

544
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: do we love the mess and the cattiness and the

545
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: shade and all that. Yes, But I think the other

546
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: thing that at least I'm trying to do in my

547
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: reality shows, and I think this is what Beverly Hills

548
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: is trying to do, is you have to at least

549
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: have conversations that are relatable because at some point you

550
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: need some sustainability on these shows, and I think Garcel

551
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: being cast brings that. Before I wrap you, where does

552
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: Garsel and Dery golfing here? Do you think they will

553
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: never be friends? Do you think there's room for some growth?

554
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 5: Some people you just work with.

555
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 4: You just work with they like they're in the office

556
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: with you. You come in there, you do your job. I

557
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 4: ain't got a problem with you. I'm not gonna dwell

558
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 4: on well. I do have a problem with you, but

559
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: it's not resolvable. So there's nothing else for me to

560
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 4: do or say here, hey, hiy pleasant trees, keep it moving.

561
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 4: I would love for you know, I would love to

562
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 4: see in Beverly Hills. There's a Haitian girl on Housewives

563
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: of Miyam.

564
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 5: She used she was miss hated.

565
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: Key Bart's and she's funny.

566
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 5: Oh.

567
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 4: I recently just sat down and watched the show. I

568
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 4: was like, oh my, it was like I was watching myself.

569
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, this lady is perfect,

570
00:31:51,440 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 4: Like she is hilarious, gorgeous, witty. I feel like Garcella

571
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 4: needs something like that. Because one thing I will say,

572
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 4: I just the fun moments with Garcela and the.

573
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,239
Speaker 5: Show are very far and between. Yeah, yeah, they're very

574
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 5: spread out.

575
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 4: It was nice to see her and Erica go out

576
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 4: and have a good time and like that looked genuinely.

577
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 5: Like a good time.

578
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

579
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 5: I think Sutton showed up initially feeling like oh shit,

580
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 5: but then she realized, oh these picures don't have a

581
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 5: good time. Okay, goo, let's have a good time.

582
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 4: Like yeah, you know, But I just feel like garcel

583
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 4: needs I've said this before.

584
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 5: I think like she needs somebody.

585
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: I know, and I was hoping that was charae Oh

586
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: and what happened with her?

587
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: Listen.

588
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: I always said this as a producer, you can't show everything,

589
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 1: meaning you got forty two minutes to show something.

590
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: She was not vocal based on what we were we

591
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: were shown.

592
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: I was really rooting for her because on Hollywood Excess

593
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: she was fantastic and she was funny and and look

594
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: all this stuff going on with Jada and Will like

595
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: y'all fired her way too soon, Like I would have

596
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: loved to get some of that Hollywood.

597
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 5: Like she could have been.

598
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 4: I thought she could have been candid like Jada, Jada

599
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 4: and Will like there and and her their family they

600
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 4: don't give a fuck about it. They wouldn't care about her.

601
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 5: They wouldn't care.

602
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 4: They really would genuinely not care because she they know

603
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 4: that she wouldn't pass certain boundaries. Yeah, so she could

604
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: have spilled her little tea and whatever and kept it

605
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 4: moving like yeah, I just I feel I feel like

606
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 4: Garcel does need she does need a friend. Garcel has

607
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 4: no friends on that show. Crystal has no friends on

608
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 4: that show. Sudden no friends on.

609
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: That show, No no now.

610
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 5: But but Garcela is the black one.

611
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And because when I seen a lot of a Marie,

612
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: we don't know what their relationship is going to be.

613
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: But just because listen not all black people have to

614
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: be frenzy either, right, so right, but based on their personalities,

615
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: I just don't see tell Emery being friends.

616
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: They're so there's there. I don't know. We'll see what

617
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: happens again.

618
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 4: Based on what I'm saying, doctor, she's she's, she belongs

619
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 4: on Maria the medicine.

620
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 5: The way she came for Sundon's throat, it was.

621
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: Like girl literally her throat, literally her throat.

622
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 5: Like you know when you swallow, you're supposed to take

623
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 5: two gulfs. That's science. No, girl, no, this is not

624
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 5: Marria's medicine.

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Speaker 1: Girl, tell the world, my sweet peep, where they can

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Speaker 1: find you, follow you, support you and everything you have

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Speaker 1: going on.

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Speaker 5: Yes, So d Jesse will on all social media platforms.

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Speaker 5: H Jesse, j E S s I E w o O.

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Speaker 4: On all social media platforms. I'm audition Nation Monday through Friday.

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Speaker 4: I have a movie I'm shooting this next month for

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Speaker 4: Peacock is gonna be a holiday movie.

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Speaker 5: I'm really excited about that.

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Speaker 4: Great, Yeah, I'm really excited about that. Perfectly this year too,

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Speaker 4: I get to sell a show and sell a movie.

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Speaker 4: That would be like a dream come true.

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Speaker 1: So yes, that's what I look forward to Well, You're

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Speaker 1: gonna do all things through Christ, who strengthens you, baby,

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