1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning. 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: Everybody's the j Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the Guy. We 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: are the Breakfast Club. You got a special guest in 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: the building this morning and your day. Welcome. 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: How are you good? 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm blessed, Thank you, thank you. 7 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 2: No new album, Cassandra, Yes, how you feeling. 8 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm excited about it, I think. 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 4: I mean, it comes with like the same nerves you 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 4: know that a lot of things come with because I 11 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 4: had a heavier hand in producing this record, you know, 12 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 4: I just I wanted to kind of guide the creative 13 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 4: direction a little bit more. But I'm excited about it. It 14 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 4: feels like a like a like the name was appropriate, 15 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I feel like I've been 16 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 4: multiple people in the last few years because of a 17 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 4: lot of different things, and so it felt appropriate. 18 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 3: I'm excited. I'm definitely excited. Yeah. 19 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 5: And it's after that and Cassandra's your real name? Yeah, 20 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 5: So is this album about you? Like how personal it is? 21 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 3: It's about me. It's also me kind of like showing up. 22 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 4: It's me forgiving myself, I think in a way that 23 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 4: I've not before you know, and going through like you know, 24 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 4: love and love loss. You know, I think that, Like 25 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 4: I said, I feel like I've been a lot of 26 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 4: different versions of me. 27 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 3: The movies had a lot to do with that as 28 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 3: well to relationships. 29 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 4: You know, I had a lot to do with that, 30 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 4: And so I feel like I'm always trying to figure 31 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 4: out how to show up the right way, you know 32 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 4: what I mean, to show up, like, oh, take the 33 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 4: high road to take so on this album good luck right, yeah, exactly, 34 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 4: on this album, I was like, nah, you know, like 35 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 4: for me this record, usually I'm like, it's okay, try 36 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 4: to be accountable and figured it out. 37 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: On this record, there's a lot of like, nah, it's your. 38 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 4: Fault, you eat that, you know what I mean. So, 39 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm just being very forgiving with myself 40 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 4: in this record. 41 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: You know what do you mean? Forgiven? 42 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 4: Allowing myself to feel Oftentimes, if I'm frustrated or I'm angry, 43 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 4: or I'm hurt, or I'm disappointed by something or a 44 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 4: broken heart or whatever it is, or just I'm not 45 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 4: getting along with people, I'm always trying to figure out, well, 46 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 4: you must have done something right. You're the common denominator 47 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 4: you know, like I kind of have this fear of 48 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 4: not seeing myself, you know what I'm saying, because like 49 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 4: and so I'm always trying to figure out, you know, okay, 50 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 4: what did you do? 51 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: How did you contribute to that? 52 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 4: How did you And so I think for the first time, 53 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 4: I'm like, yo, it's okay, Like you're you don't like 54 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 4: this person. 55 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 56 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 4: You don't like what it is they bring it to 57 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 4: the table, This did not work out. You're mad at them, 58 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 4: You're hurt, you know, and like it's okay to express that. 59 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 4: So I've actually struggled with that probably for most. 60 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: Of my life, you know what I mean. 61 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 6: I think one of the biggest issues is if you 62 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 6: keep attracting I guess fucked up people, you start looking 63 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 6: inward to see what is it about you that keeps 64 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 6: attracting these type of people, which. 65 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 4: I think is like I don't know that that's fully unhealthy, right, 66 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 4: because you do want to figure out, like what is 67 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 4: the thing? You know what I'm saying, that's like drawing 68 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,839 Speaker 4: this type of person to me. But what I don't 69 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 4: want to do is take on their things anymore, you 70 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. That's the thing I'm always trying 71 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 4: to it's okay. So now I'm just like, it's not okay. 72 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, how many f people have their 73 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: been and it seems like it's just been one. It 74 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: seems like it's been numerous. 75 00:02:55,240 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 3: I mean, I could be the common denominator. Yeah, yeah, 76 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: for sure. 77 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 4: But you know, and that's why I say, I'm like, 78 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like it's been I have a 79 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 4: lot of really good people in my life too, you 80 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 4: know what I mean. But yeah, it's kind of that 81 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 4: imposter syndrome thing I think a little bit. So yeah, 82 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 4: I for good people in my life. But yeah, and 83 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 4: it's been nine years. Nine years. I didn't plan okay, okay, 84 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 4: I didn't plan that, you know. I was like, it's 85 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 4: funny because they asked me. I remember in the beginning 86 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 4: when I first signed to the label. They were like, 87 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 4: whose career do you want to emulate? 88 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 3: You know, they asked you, like weird? 89 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 4: I didn't actually right, I actually said, I was like, oh, 90 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 4: you know, I think I just was people that I love. 91 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 4: I actually said Shade and they were like, you know, 92 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 4: she only releases albums like every like nine years. I 93 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 4: was like, I'm gonna release more albums. I'll do like 94 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 4: every two to three years. So it just ended up 95 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 4: working out like that because of the movies and because 96 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 4: of like, you know what I'm saying this, I'm slow verned, 97 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm really detail oriented. 98 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: I can procrastinate because I can be a perfectionist. So 99 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: it's like you know all those things. Yeah, and that's fine. 100 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 5: You have a project on the record empty Yeah, right, 101 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 5: and you say I'm running on empty. I can't give 102 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 5: you what it says. I can't give love until my 103 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 5: cup is full. 104 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: Break that downes. 105 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: Speak to what you were just saying. 106 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And I think that's like I said, that's 107 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 4: the season that I'm in, so empty is It's exactly 108 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 4: I mean at first, I really wrote it for the 109 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 4: ladies because like we are constantly pouring out, we are 110 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 4: constantly giving. But I said, what everybody's you know, tank 111 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 4: is on the everybody's cup cup becomes empty. 112 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 113 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 4: It really is just about just saying like things that 114 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 4: people know, you know, like I can't show up and 115 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 4: be my best self. I can't actually help, I can't serve. 116 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 4: I can't until I actually fill me up, you know 117 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 4: what I'm saying, like, which is a concept I think 118 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 4: that can feel selfish sometimes, you know what I mean, Like. 119 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 3: I grew up in church. 120 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 4: You know, I don't know about anybody else who I 121 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 4: grew up in church, and some of those themes, like 122 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 4: taking care of yourself first are kind of looked down upon, 123 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 4: you know, But I think as you get older, you 124 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 4: begin to understand, no, I need to be full of, 125 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 4: like spiritually all these things before I can actually do that. 126 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, it's also about a relationship to like, 127 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 4: you know this person who just wants so much, you 128 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying from you, But it's like and 129 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 4: realizing too, like you know, this person, this this dude 130 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 4: that I was talking to, you're not pouring into me, 131 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 4: you know the way I'm pouring into you. So it's 132 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: really about taking your space and your time and accepting 133 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 4: the fact that, like the scary part about doing that 134 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 4: is that you can lose people sometimes, you know what 135 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 4: I mean. Like when you're actually taking your space and 136 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 4: stepping into your power and taking time to fill up, 137 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 4: it's foreign. 138 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: Like people get comfortable with you functioning. 139 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 4: A certain way that helps and serves them and so 140 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 4: you know, the scary part for me is like I 141 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 4: don't want to lose people, but sometimes you have to 142 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 4: be willing for them to grow and for you to grow, 143 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 4: you know. So that's exactly right. I'm glad you resonated 144 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 4: with that. That's cool. 145 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 6: Now you talk about the nine years, right, and you're 146 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 6: making a personal album, like you're so many different people 147 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:53,559 Speaker 6: within nine years. 148 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so many different seasons, like how do you? 149 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: How do you? 150 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 6: And you had to make more than one project or 151 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 6: maybe project took a bunch of different lives. 152 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 4: And no, you're right about that. Actually, because we do. 153 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 4: We have a lot of songs, you know what I mean. 154 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 4: I mean fifteen of them. Technically it's reads of sixteen 155 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 4: made the record, but it's a lot, you know what 156 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 4: I'm saying. And I think for me, once we kind 157 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 4: of came down to putting the record together, it was 158 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 4: just about what songs still stand, you know what I'm saying, 159 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 4: What songs still represent me, what songs still feel like timeless? 160 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 161 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 4: But you're right, you are a lot of different people 162 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 4: in nine years. Relationships change you, you know what I'm saying, 163 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 4: Like relationships that her relationships where I made mistakes and 164 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I've learned from that. The movie definitely 165 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 4: changed me. Really, Holiday had a huge impact in my life. 166 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 3: Her toxic iss you had to be. 167 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 4: My god, you know what I will say, though, I 168 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 4: will say toxic and beautiful, both very much. You know 169 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like we don't we do understand, but 170 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 4: like women of that time, black women of that time, 171 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, so many limited options, and 172 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 4: people really hated her because she was like those options. 173 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 3: Nah, you know what I'm saying. 174 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 4: Like she has a quote where she said like I 175 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 4: don't want to be anybody's damn maide, you know what 176 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 4: I mean. 177 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 3: And that always really stuck with me. 178 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 4: So it was not just like her the drugs and 179 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 4: the but it was like the government hounding her. But 180 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 4: the other intoxicating thing for me was how people loved her, 181 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 4: like they were very, very attracted to her, you know. 182 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 4: So that transformed me. I lost a relationship because it 183 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 4: because I changed drastically, you know what I'm saying. When 184 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 4: I came back, things were the same and and so 185 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 4: not that he did anything wrong, he was amazing, you know, 186 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 4: but but I had changed. 187 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: And characters because it was how she loved too. Yeah, 188 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: and that actually infiltrated in my life. 189 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 4: It had to, you know what I mean. So I 190 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 4: was definitely changed by that. And you'll hear some of 191 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 4: that on the record too, and and so, and there's 192 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 4: a few other movies we did, Lee and I filmed 193 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 4: another one called The Deliverance. We filmed another one with 194 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 4: Titus called Exhibiting Forgiveness. So all of that information, you know, 195 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 4: And like I said, love gained, love loss, my relationship 196 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 4: with God growing and changing, like it's a lot of 197 00:07:59,040 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 4: different people. 198 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: Hopefully it just jels when y'all hear it. 199 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, so this is the first time you're up here. 200 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: So for people that don't know, how did you get 201 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: into this entertainment world? I know you started out out 202 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: of high school, started doing all types of odd jobs. Yes, 203 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: from some of that. 204 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm my god. I was talking about this 205 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: the other night too. 206 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 4: I've had like twenty five jobs, and I feel like 207 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 4: when people check your references, that's a lie because like 208 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 4: they would stop hiring me after like job twelve thirteen. 209 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 4: But yeah, so it was I've always wanted to do this, 210 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 4: Like this has always been I went to performing arts school, 211 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 4: you know, and so but for me, it was really 212 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 4: deciding like do I want to do Broadway, you know, 213 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 4: cause that's kind of what the school trained you for, 214 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 4: or do I actually want to be like an artist? 215 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 4: And then, you know, around sixteen, I feel like I 216 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 4: finally decided like, Okay, recording music is what I actually 217 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 4: want to do, and you an artists create kind of 218 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 4: my own you know what I'm saying journey, and so 219 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 4: I just I was you know, it's so funny. 220 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 3: Sometimes it's hard to you know. 221 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 4: Somebody said to me the other day, you didn't skip 222 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 4: any steps, and I'm like, yeah, definitely, no step skipped. 223 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: But you wanted to though I definitely wanted to. 224 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 4: I don't want to write out right, so no, but 225 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 4: it was so it was everything, I mean, working regular jobs, 226 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 4: you know, I did everything from like cleaning old apartments 227 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: that people moved out of paper route like an account manager, 228 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 4: you know too. 229 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 3: I used to I used to show up to kids 230 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 3: birthday parties. 231 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: As like entertainment. 232 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 4: Entertainment, yeah exactly, which, to be honest with you, at 233 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,599 Speaker 4: the time, I was like this is like, you know, yeah, 234 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 4: the kids I played Elmo, I played Jesus. I played 235 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 4: Mickey Mouse. 236 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 3: I played the voices and everything I had to do. 237 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 3: The voice. 238 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 4: Oh, I don't even remember the Elmo voice. I know 239 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 4: the mini voice was like it was like a last 240 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 4: I was going from last night. 241 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 3: No I didn't. 242 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 4: I got high when I got there, you know, you 243 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 4: know what. I can't No, no, no, I can't do that. No, 244 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 4: I'm like. 245 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: One of those people. You never want to be high with. 246 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: Me, Like I realiz is that early on any through 247 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,599 Speaker 4: the roof and we would be like, I love to 248 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 4: smoke with you, and they'd be like, oh my god, no, 249 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 4: never mind never but no, I so I would. That 250 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 4: was actually one of my probably most memorable jobs, because honestly, 251 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 4: kids sometimes aren't that excited to see you pop up, 252 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like, they had a birthday 253 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 4: party for a one year old one time and they 254 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 4: hired me, and I was like, this is amazing, first kid, 255 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 4: kids are gonna love me. 256 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 3: Wow, amazing. And I walked in. They started screaming because. 257 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 4: They hired a seven foot rap for a one year 258 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 4: old's birthday party. 259 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 3: I was reiny, like, I was like, so they were 260 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: super terrified. 261 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean I did a lot of jobs, 262 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 4: and then I was doing shows as well too, and 263 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 4: recording music, just trying to get in every studio, every 264 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 4: little hood studio I could, you know what I'm saying, 265 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 4: and just meet people record music and work with them, 266 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 4: and and and then I finally got this like demo teon, 267 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 4: you know, because we were burning CDs at the time, 268 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 4: we had to go to Kinko's and get all your 269 00:10:54,440 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 4: artwork rented. And so I would do shows at Mission Beach, 270 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 4: which was like a beach in San Diego, fro and 271 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 4: I would pass out like CDs and all that stuff. Well, 272 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 4: I was trying to sell them at first, but nobody 273 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 4: will buy them, so I just had to exactly, I'll 274 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 4: just just listen, you know. And then eventually there was 275 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 4: like this kind of local sort of manager there. 276 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 3: He was working with artists and so he was helping 277 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: me do some things. 278 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 4: And and then I ended up meeting this other manager 279 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 4: in LA because I would come up to LA to 280 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 4: try and do like shows or just like you know, 281 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 4: at the time, it's like you want to get into 282 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 4: parties when you're young. You just think if I can 283 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 4: get in the face of this person, then I could 284 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 4: get their attention. Or whatever, so you don't realize it 285 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 4: doesn't exactly work like that, but sometimes it can. So 286 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 4: I'll try to get up to parties, you know what 287 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like artists would have parties. Try to get 288 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 4: in and give them my CD or just their tour 289 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 4: bus will be there and you try to give it 290 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 4: to the security and you know, all. 291 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: Things that. 292 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 4: Everything, you know what I'm saying. Definitely like on the street, yeah, 293 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 4: all of that. So like, and then finally I got 294 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 4: in the hands of like this one manager who was 295 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 4: one of the people he was talking about. But but 296 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 4: the good thing that did come from it is after 297 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 4: all those years, I sang in a strip mall, actually 298 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 4: in this little strip mall, and they just recorded it 299 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 4: in front of a shoe store. And then he found 300 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 4: himself in a pastry shop with Stevie Wonder's wife at 301 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 4: the time. 302 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 3: It was Kyle Miller. 303 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 4: Morris was amazing, and she heard it and she was like, Wow, 304 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 4: I really like her voice. I like her sound. It's 305 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 4: so different. She's like, I want to play it for 306 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 4: my husband. He's like, who to your husband? She said 307 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 4: to Stevie Wondering, So she played it for him. He 308 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 4: loved the sound, and then they orchestrated a call and like, 309 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 4: y'all when I tell you, I was like, well, it's 310 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 4: just like one of those like when worlds collide. 311 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: You know. No, he didn't shut up, man, what's wrong 312 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: with you? Man, I'm trying. 313 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 4: He got a good sense of humor about that, so 314 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 4: that's good. But yeah, no, so I was it was 315 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 4: like the world's collided. Like I was living with my 316 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 4: mom at the time in this tiny, little like studio 317 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 4: one bedroom apartment behind seven to eleven next to a dumpster, 318 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 4: like and it was I mean, this apartment was just 319 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 4: like no square foot and then he calls, and it's 320 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 4: just like the biggest name in the world to me called, 321 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 4: and you know what I mean, he talked about he 322 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 4: did talk about my sign. He was asking me, like 323 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 4: you know what I was, And he talked about a 324 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 4: song he wanted to write at the time, and then 325 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 4: asked me about my music and if I was intentional 326 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 4: at the time, I was making songs that were like 327 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 4: like it was kind of retro pop sound, and I 328 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 4: was making songs that were like maybe two minutes max. 329 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 3: Because like all those old records used to be real 330 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: short like. 331 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 4: That, and so he picked up on that and it 332 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 4: didn't work out at the time. And I always share 333 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 4: the story so people know, like you'll have moments like this, 334 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 4: but like just you never know what's actually happening behind 335 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 4: the scenes. 336 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: So you thought you made it. He was like, I 337 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: just spoke to Steve. 338 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 4: Landaw, but then I heard when I heard back from 339 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 4: the manager that I was working with at the time, 340 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 4: he was like, Hey, they didn't really like you. United 341 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 4: it sounded like they did, but he was like, they 342 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 4: didn't really like you. You weren't really good enough. You didn't 343 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 4: you know, speak well enough, all of the things, and yeah, 344 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 4: all this stuff. Yeah, and so but I found out 345 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 4: a year later when him and I saw working together. 346 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 4: Kai and Stevie reached out again and we're like, hey, 347 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 4: we just wanted to check and see are you still 348 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 4: working with that guy blah blah blah, And I said no. 349 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 3: They said, we held on to your information. So they 350 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 3: brought me up. 351 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 4: And told me that that he asked for I think 352 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 4: he said twenty or fifty something like that, one thousand 353 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 4: dollars in order for me to actually just get in 354 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 4: the studio and wow, and that they had to pay 355 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 4: him that before I could get with them, and that's 356 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 4: what made them be like the businesses, let me move on. 357 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 4: But fortunately God's so amazing and put on Yeah literally, yeah, 358 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 4: so that's exactly so, you know, for me, it was 359 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 4: just a closed door, keep keep grinding, keep ustling that. 360 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 361 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 3: So I saw I say like, I would share that 362 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 3: because I'm like. 363 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 4: You just never actually know what's happening behind the scenes, 364 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So that was a 365 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 4: part of how everything kicked off. 366 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 2: What have you learned from Stevie wanted? 367 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 6: Because sadly, Stevie's one of those people that nobody's gonna 368 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 6: truly appreciate that he's no longer you think, so really 369 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 6: absolutely fully fully like that man can be celebrated in 370 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 6: a whole different way. 371 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 4: It's actually funny you say that, because I think I 372 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 4: see him like that all the time, you know what 373 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 4: I'm saying. But it's only like recently where sometimes I 374 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 4: run into people they're like, oh, yeah, okay, you know 375 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 4: what I mean. 376 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 3: I'm kind of like, I don't. 377 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 4: I've always seen him like that because we grew up 378 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 4: with him, you know what I'm saying, Like, and so, 379 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 4: and he was one of my dad's favorite singers, my 380 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 4: favorite singer. So I've learned. I've actually learned quite a 381 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 4: bit from him. I will say, I think the thing 382 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 4: I've learned the most from him is less about what 383 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 4: he says, even though he does say this, and more 384 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 4: about how he moves, you know, what it is to 385 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 4: stay hungry like always always you know him and I 386 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 4: actually went to well, myself and his family we went 387 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 4: to like brunch you know, a while back. 388 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 3: It was like right after church. 389 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 4: And it's funny because he was working on music, you 390 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying at the time, and so he 391 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 4: had his headphones. He always keeps it on him, just 392 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 4: like listening, you know, And so he sits down and 393 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 4: he tells me, he puts in my face. He was like, 394 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 4: you know, Andrew, I really want you to listen to this, 395 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 4: like tell me what you think. And he was so nervous, 396 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 4: like genuinely you know what I'm saying, and like really 397 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 4: asking my opinion, which you know when certain people, for 398 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 4: your you're like, why we don't do like you have 399 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 4: done this to the highest level and the highest degree, 400 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 4: like you said, your whole life since you was what nine, 401 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, but he's still like, I 402 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 4: just don't know if it'll resonate with people, if they'll 403 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 4: like it. And and I just thought it was really 404 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 4: beautiful in that moment, like his humility of like wonder 405 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 4: how people receive this and how they'll like it. And 406 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 4: so he's really taught me to just always stay hungry, 407 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 4: you know, to not let it cripple you, but to 408 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 4: always have. 409 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 3: That those butterflies a little bit about what you do. 410 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, it's probably are you keep 411 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: that longevity? 412 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 4: VI? 413 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, asking those kind of questions thinks so exactly. 414 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 4: I think once you feel like you got it, you 415 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like, you know, it's good to 416 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 4: be confident, but time changes constantly, seasons change, tastes changed 417 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 4: so much, you know so, And I think as artists, 418 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 4: if we're truly being ourselves, we have to evolve, otherwise 419 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 4: you can't live. 420 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, What did. 421 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 6: You learn about yourself and lose about yourself playing Billy Holliday? 422 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 3: Oo hmm. 423 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 4: I learned about myself that I'm a lot more like her, 424 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 4: maybe in ways that I wouldn't necessarily want to be. 425 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, like I'm actually I learned 426 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 4: good things and I learned bad things, right, Like one 427 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 4: of the tougher things to deal is that, like I'm 428 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 4: not good with relationships, you know what I'm saying, I 429 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 4: don't make good decisions. 430 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 3: I can be very selfish, you know what I'm saying. 431 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 4: Like, And so I think that was It's funny because 432 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of that I put down 433 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 4: before the movie, but I had to reopen a lot 434 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 4: of that. And acting is very interesting because people think 435 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 4: that you're like pretending, right, you're faking, you're acting, you're 436 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 4: putting on a show. I think if you really really 437 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 4: want to do well, you actually have to be more 438 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 4: honest with yourself. Then most people are comfortable being you 439 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 4: know what I mean. And I learned that from Tasha 440 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 4: and from Lee. So playing Billy just it showed me that, like, yeah, 441 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 4: we're not different from her, right, she came from a 442 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 4: different time period, she didn't, but she was still a 443 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 4: woman who wanted love, you know what I'm saying. It 444 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 4: was like, you know, willing to do whatever, you know 445 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 4: what I mean with whoever to get it. But I 446 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 4: also learned about her that like, like I said, referencing 447 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 4: earlier that as a woman standing in my power, it 448 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 4: will intimidate some people. Some people will be uncomfortable. They'll 449 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 4: want you to either come up to where they are 450 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 4: or come down to where they are. When you just 451 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 4: kind of stay where you are, where you're supposed to 452 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 4: be vibrating and resonating, that can be uncomfortable for people, 453 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 4: you know. And for her it was dangerous, right, you 454 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Like for us it can be dangerous. 455 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 4: Not quite the same, but you know what I'm saying, 456 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 4: give me dangerous. 457 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 3: So I learned. I learned that in a good way, right, 458 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 3: you know. And I learned that, like. 459 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 4: I and and then, like I said, from a negative side, 460 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 4: just learning that, like, oh wow, I need to when 461 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 4: it comes to relationships, I need I need to examineself, 462 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,479 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Spend more time there in 463 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 4: prayer and therapy, you know what I'm saying about all 464 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 4: of that, And gosh, there's there's really a lot of 465 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 4: things I learned from her also, you know, I'm really 466 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 4: what I love about the movie is that people got 467 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 4: to know her as like a godmother of the neo 468 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 4: civil rights movement, right instead of just a tragic drug 469 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 4: addict or a tragic like you know, those things were 470 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 4: planted on her. Those things were imposed upon her because 471 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 4: of her circumstances, because of her singing strange fruit, but 472 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 4: her willingness to give up her life for what she 473 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 4: knew was right and you know, regardless of the drugs 474 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 4: of anything, for her, like her sharpness to be able 475 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 4: to still be clear about that even with everything that 476 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 4: was in her body, how her body was breaking down, 477 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 4: how people were attacking her like I want to touch that, 478 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 4: like I want that, you know what I'm saying. And 479 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 4: so I learned a lot a lot from her. I 480 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 4: loved being her. 481 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 5: I really really loved being And you seem definitely so 482 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 5: connected with the character, Like yo, you you're so phenomenal. 483 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 5: And she's from Baltimore City, I am yea. All I 484 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 5: knew was her as a singer and the drugs and everything. 485 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 5: And I really learned her story through watching you play her. 486 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 5: So I'm like, damn, it just made me want to girl. 487 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 3: Listen. 488 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 5: After I watched the movie, I'm like researching. And so 489 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 5: she went through so much, so much, and like you said, 490 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 5: willing to give up her life. 491 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, or you know things that she believed me. 492 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 4: One of the things they didn't show in the movie 493 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 4: which we shot is like she would leave the club 494 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 4: and multiple times police would be shooting into her car, 495 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like it was very like 496 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 4: so she but she would still go on and actually 497 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 4: sing the song and she had her hesitations. But I 498 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 4: love that you from Baltimore because I love I was 499 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 4: able to finally see the statue of her that I 500 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 4: think is in point right, like, yeah, she's from you 501 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like, And when I was there's 502 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 4: like I could see her and picture her as a 503 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 4: little girl like cleaning steps and doing all that stuff. 504 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: You know. 505 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 3: So yeah, no, she she was. 506 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 4: She's And actually the fact that even you being from 507 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 4: Baltimore didn't know that, like she was really the civil 508 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 4: rights here, like before the movement had really kicked up. 509 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 4: It was her singing this song and the death of 510 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 4: the Mattila that really kind of sparked everything. 511 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: But just think everybody over fifty was in the civil. 512 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 3: Rights that everybody over fifty was in. 513 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: New York with them. 514 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I love that you know that now 515 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 4: people are acquainted because that was that was the Federal 516 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,959 Speaker 4: Bureau of Narcotics or investing. 517 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 3: I don't even I don't like them, so I don't 518 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 3: really know that name. 519 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 4: There's the FBI Narcotics was back in thee. But but yeah, 520 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 4: so that was their goal. She was way way, way 521 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 4: too famous, way too loved. They were trying to really 522 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 4: kind of like get rid of her legacy entirely, and 523 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 4: they couldn't. But there were a lot of interviews that 524 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 4: went missing, all the things. So they just changed the 525 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 4: narrative and it was like, hey, she was just some 526 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 4: tragic drug addict, like a failure in life. Successful in music, 527 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 4: but a failure in life, which is not true. So 528 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 4: I'm happy to be a part of telling that legacy. 529 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: So what did you lose about yourself? 530 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 4: What did I lose my part by yourself about myself? 531 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 3: Well, physically, I lost part of my voice. I know, 532 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: she was like, which is you know, here's the truth. 533 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 4: I would do it again, you know what I'm saying, 534 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 4: because I do feel like she deserved that level of commitment, you. 535 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 3: Know what I mean. So and so I will tell 536 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 3: you along with that. It's so weird. 537 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 4: I gained a confidence, you know what I'm saying, Like 538 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,239 Speaker 4: once I was done playing her. It was there was 539 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 4: I don't want to say a carelessness, but it was, 540 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 4: you know, I was sort of walking into rooms a 541 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 4: little less. 542 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 3: Worried about how it would go, you know what I'm saying. 543 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 4: But I think because of the toll after a few 544 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 4: years that it kind of took on my voice and 545 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 4: me changing as a singer. Then my confidence was actually rocked, 546 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Because then I start getting 547 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 4: back in performance spaces working on the record, I can't 548 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 4: hit notes I hit before, I can't, you know what 549 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 4: I'm saying. Like, so my confidence actually kind of you know, 550 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 4: took a hit, you know what I'm saying. And then 551 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 4: in relationships, right like I was in a relationship for 552 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 4: four years you know before I did that movie, and 553 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 4: I thought I thought that I was I thought I 554 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 4: was good, you know what I'm saying, And I thought like, wow, 555 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 4: you know, like how I used to be in relationships 556 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 4: more selfish and did all this stuff cool. 557 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 3: I don't function like that. I don't move no more 558 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 3: bull of all this stuff. 559 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 4: So it kind of really opened this hand of worms 560 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 4: that was like, hey, there's still stuff underneath that you're 561 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 4: not dealing with, Like We're capable of these things all 562 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 4: the time, you know what I'm saying, Like being unfaithful, 563 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 4: of being dishonest, all of that stuff. I'm absolutely capable 564 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 4: of all of that and have done it and do it. 565 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 4: But so I think it kind of popped the lid 566 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 4: on that, you know what I mean, and I realized 567 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 4: there was more. 568 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: Work to be done, deeper work to be done. 569 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 4: And I realized at the time, I think I was 570 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 4: just getting by, you know what I'm saying, performing well, 571 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So it kind of took 572 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 4: away the confidence, and that took away the confidence in 573 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 4: like singing and showing up. 574 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 3: But the good thing about it is that I feel. 575 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 4: Like I'm rebuilding a foundation on like solid ground, you 576 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And so so I kind of 577 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 4: feel myself coming back to a place of like wholeness 578 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 4: and groundedness. 579 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 3: So does that make sense? 580 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 581 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 3: I can kind of landboth side it. Make sure. I 582 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 3: was answering that, is there. 583 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 5: Any song on the on the album that you like 584 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 5: that you would consider your favorite? Ooh ooh, it's so hard. 585 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 5: You had the most fun making this when this is 586 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 5: the one you was in there, like. 587 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 4: You know, I think, yeah, maybe next time it's one 588 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 4: of them. Maybe next time is definitely the song, because 589 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 4: maybe next time it's just to read. Like I said, 590 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 4: I just had to tell his nigga boy himself and 591 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 4: like I was just. 592 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 3: Like I just had to get off my chest. I 593 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 3: was trying to write to be like I've learned lessons. 594 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, this is what you did. You 595 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. 596 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 4: I was like, and I kind of like, so, okay, 597 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 4: so I used to do this thing. Do not ask 598 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 4: me about I do not have them no more because 599 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 4: they were sitting right next to my devotion journal and 600 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 4: God was like really and I was like, okay, I'll 601 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 4: delete it. I used to write like this raps for 602 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 4: like rappers. I felt like the didn't come back hard 603 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 4: enough and like, uh, you know in beefs you know. 604 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: So did you write one for Draco? 605 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 4: Oh my god, I wrote one for him like earlier 606 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 4: in the like this beef Yeah. 607 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's like, yeah I did one for like 608 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 3: I did. I used to do it was like my thing. 609 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 3: It was just me in my notes, like I will 610 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 3: never record them. I'll never I just write him down. 611 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 4: I'm like, they could have said this this person. They 612 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 4: even talk about the whole team and the squad and 613 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 4: dad also, So I used to do that all the time, 614 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 4: so like I think, what maybe next time. I was 615 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 4: kind of tapping into that because I was like, I'm 616 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 4: not a rapper like that, So I was like, I'll 617 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 4: just like sing flow you know what I'm saying, and 618 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 4: just like speak what's on my chest. And so that's 619 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 4: probably one of my favorite because I got a lot 620 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 4: off my chest, you know what I'm saying, and I'm 621 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 4: just being pettier in that song, and that's just just 622 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 4: necessary sometimes how. 623 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: Much accountability are you taking? 624 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: Though? 625 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 3: And this record. 626 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 4: I did another accountability. 627 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 3: I have it not know what I'm saying. 628 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 4: No, I think for me this record is like there's 629 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 4: always accountability. I think it's like growth. But like, which 630 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 4: is why I was gonna say Still at the end 631 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 4: of the record is one of my favorite songs and 632 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 4: a song called Nervous, because Still is like it's not 633 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 4: necessarily just taking accountability, it's just accepting that like all 634 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 4: of this stuff you went through and you did you 635 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, like the stuff that I'm I 636 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 4: feel not proud of and the stuff that I'm hurt 637 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 4: by or whatever. 638 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 3: All of that stuff was a part of the journey, 639 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. 640 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,479 Speaker 4: Like, I feel like life is cyclical and we can 641 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 4: kind of but in a cycle, like you know, sometimes 642 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 4: you're going up, you're going forward. 643 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 3: Sometimes it feels like you're going down. 644 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 4: Sometimes feel like you're going backwards, like but you're always moving, 645 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. 646 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 3: Forward, Yeah, And so I feel like still. 647 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 4: Is a reminder that like, like I do devotion every morning, right, 648 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 4: so I pray, you know, rescripture meditator on the word, 649 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 4: and then you know, try to live my life, you know, 650 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 4: according to that. But like realizing that, like sometimes it 651 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 4: doesn't feel good, but that process, like working out in 652 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 4: the gym, eventually it will develop it Eventually it. 653 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 3: Will best, you know what I'm saying. 654 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 4: So the song goes from being stuck still to actually 655 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 4: being still and having peace, you know what I mean. 656 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 4: So it's less about accountability, it's more about just accepting 657 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 4: that the journey is what it is. 658 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 6: Every single version of yourself ever deserves exactly what the 659 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 6: version of you is getting now, which. 660 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: Is a feeling point. 661 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely, that's a good point. Can we 662 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 3: expect any visuals. Yes, yes, no visuals. You've got to 663 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 3: give me a trouble girl. 664 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 4: I just kidd right, you know we are we have 665 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 4: like we have music videos. Actually that's my creative direcord 666 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 4: actually right here to me that we're working on. I 667 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 4: just want to my thing for this record is everything. 668 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 4: I want to be cinematic and immersive, you know what 669 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 4: I mean, because that's like I feel, isn't it that 670 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 4: I feel like that's the best for me. Like when 671 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 4: you go to a show and you feel like as 672 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 4: soon as you walk through the doors, the atmosphere chess 673 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 4: like you're transported. 674 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 3: You know. 675 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 4: I still love Disneyland like I'm a child, you know 676 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 4: what I mean. So I like feeling like and so 677 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 4: that's the thing. So the album is called Cassandra Parentheses, 678 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 4: jeriit and I'm examining through love, you know what I'm saying, 679 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 4: through work, through career, through confidence, my spiritual walk you know. 680 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 3: Uh, I'm examining this journey from. 681 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 4: Like the desert to the water, which for me represents 682 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 4: the journey from operating from a place of black right, 683 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 4: you know, which is like what consumerism breathes, right, you 684 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 4: don't you know pretty enough, so you need to do 685 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 4: this to your body. You don't have enough, so you 686 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 4: need these clothes and money. If you need this money 687 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 4: so you can be loved and you can feel worthy. 688 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,959 Speaker 3: And I go, like, what happens if I really believe God? Right? 689 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 4: Like what happens if, like when God says that everything 690 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 4: I need I have not just in me, but like 691 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 4: in my community, right in the people that I've been 692 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 4: blessed to meet and encounter. What happens if I live 693 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 4: life from a place of abundance and fullness and actually 694 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 4: operate in that place. So I'm examining that journey and 695 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 4: all the bumps along the way, and so I want 696 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 4: the experience of that to be really immersive and fun, 697 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 4: and so I want the videos to be really cinematic. 698 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 4: So I'm kind of taking my time with it. Yea 699 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 4: to everybody behind me, dismay what their face is looking like, 700 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 4: come on now, But but I really I'm taking my 701 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 4: time with it because I want the right people, Like 702 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 4: I would like to have, you know, actors in the video, 703 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 4: and I want the right people in it. I want 704 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 4: the right creative like I just want to make sure 705 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 4: everything is there. So I'm a slow burn. So I'm 706 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 4: kind of taking my time with data. 707 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 3: Well, the way I know is, I'm pretty sure it's 708 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: gonna be a made thank you so. 709 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: Much, and you want to Grammy and a golden Glover. 710 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 3: I did, and Emmy, which I didn't realize I wanted 711 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 3: till like two years? Was it two years later? 712 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 1: When did? 713 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 3: When did I remember that you didn't know that you 714 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 3: wanted to do years? 715 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 4: I know it was a friends and family Emmy or 716 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 4: something like that for Michelle, and I was like, that's 717 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 4: a blessing. 718 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 3: That's a good way to wake up. 719 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 2: What does that validation mean you? 720 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 3: That's a good That's a good conversation. Hmmm. 721 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 4: It means this is going to sound really crazy. It 722 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 4: means a lot and nothing at the same time. That 723 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 4: makes sense a little bit because it means a lot, 724 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 4: just because you know. 725 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 3: What it reminds me of. 726 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 4: It reminds I did not expect this movie to do 727 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 4: what it did. I didn't expect the character to do what. 728 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 4: I didn't expect my performance. I went to set every 729 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 4: day expecting to get fired, which is a crazy mentality 730 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 4: to go in with. I I never expected I would 731 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 4: get the role and to be honest with you, I 732 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 4: didn't want it it first because I was like, I'm 733 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 4: not an actor, like so I just thought, I'm gonna 734 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 4: do this little movie. I'll probably be terrible, they'll edit 735 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 4: around me, or they'll fire me. It's fine, you know whatever. 736 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 4: So I think that for me is just like validation 737 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 4: of like, you know, there's something in scripture. There's a 738 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 4: scripture that I love that says God is able to 739 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 4: do exceedingly and abundantly above all we can even think 740 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 4: or ask, you know what I mean. And I love 741 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 4: that scripture so much because like it helps me to 742 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 4: operate in faith because when I let go, you know, 743 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 4: I don't have to worry that like, oh it'll be terrible. 744 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 4: It'll be better than what I thought, you know. So 745 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 4: it means a lot to me. I know, it means 746 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 4: a lot, you know, to me for that reason and 747 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 4: for the people who put the work in the time. 748 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 4: And Lee puts so much work in time into me, 749 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 4: Tasha puts so much work in time. My whole cast, everybody, 750 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Trey Tyler, you know, Devine, 751 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 4: Miss Lawrence, you know Garrett Evan, you know. Like, so 752 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 4: there was a lot of people really rooting for me, 753 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So it just shows me 754 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 4: that like community and collaboration is where it's at. You know, 755 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 4: I hear the word the term self made often, right, Yeah, 756 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 4: got it on my own, nobody helped me do. It's 757 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 4: not really a true statement because like even when you 758 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 4: work on your own and you self made, at some 759 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 4: point to get this job, somebody had to say yes 760 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 4: to get funding, somebody had to say yes in order 761 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 4: to so there's so it just reminds me that like 762 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 4: collaboration and community is really a blessing, and it is 763 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 4: nice when the community, you know what I'm saying, recognizes it, 764 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 4: but it is not validation for me. It's a blessing 765 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 4: and it's a bonus and it's beautiful. But I don't 766 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 4: think I would tell any artists that, like, hey, make 767 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 4: sure you shoot for that. If that's your goal and 768 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 4: that's something you really want, yes, go for it, you 769 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 4: know what I mean. But don't let it stop you, 770 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Because I feel like that 771 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 4: can be a thing where you recognize people, it can 772 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 4: be a blessing, but it can also be a thing 773 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 4: that just makes people feel like they're not capable, you 774 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, or they're less than. So I'm blessed, 775 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 4: but it does not define me in that way the 776 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 4: terms I can put it, you know what I'm saying. Also, listen, 777 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 4: I'm not going to pars words that community. The representation 778 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 4: is not really there yet, you know what I'm saying. 779 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 4: There's there are people making strides, which is beautiful. So 780 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 4: I want to make sure I shout out and highlight 781 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 4: the people within these these sort of like organization or 782 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 4: these committees that are actually seeking to get more representation, 783 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, for different types of communities. 784 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 4: But yeah, so when you have a group of people 785 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 4: that don't look like you that say, oh, I didn't 786 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 4: resonate with this, and it's like, well, why would you 787 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 4: resonate with this? 788 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 789 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 4: You don't have this experience, you don't look like me. 790 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 4: So those are things, if I'm being really candid, like, 791 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 4: those are things that need to be looked at and addressed, 792 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. If something like this is 793 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 4: to persist, like some of. 794 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 6: Those same people, yeah, white people, Yeah, exactly, we're pissed 795 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 6: off at you when you're saying the Black National anthem, 796 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 6: not you. 797 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 2: They were just mad that the Black National anthem. 798 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 3: Lift every boys and things. 799 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you feel about that? Backlass? 800 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, how was that feeling the Super Bowl? 801 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: My god? 802 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 3: That so first, okay, I'll deal with the feeling first. 803 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,239 Speaker 3: You're right, Like, the feeling was just like, my god. 804 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 4: When I tell y'all, so, here's the thing I these 805 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 4: are like it goes back to, like I said, standing 806 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 4: in your power. When you have a truth and an 807 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 4: understanding and you're willing to sacrifice for that, Like, it 808 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 4: can be scary because you lose things, people, opportunities. So 809 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 4: performing at the super Bowl for me was just such 810 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 4: a blessing. Was a full circle moment, terrifying, Like, oh 811 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 4: my god, y'all, Like at a certain point I was 812 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 4: so scared these was shaken. But I was like just 813 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 4: gonn numb. 814 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 815 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: Who called you to say, hey, we need you for 816 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: super Bowl? 817 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 3: Well it so Felicio. That's my manager, Felicia by the way, 818 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 3: So it was who called us? 819 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:38,479 Speaker 2: Rage are amazing? 820 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 4: By the way, Jesse yes, so like and so who 821 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 4: Jesse is just like amazing and being an incredible friend. 822 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 4: But I stopped singing the national anthem like years ago, 823 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 4: and I've been asked a lot to do it, you 824 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying for different gangs, for different things, 825 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 4: and I just finally got to a point, you know, 826 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 4: especially after the Kaepernick stuff and all that, I was 827 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 4: just kind of like, you know, I don't want to 828 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 4: sing this again, you know what I'm saying in support 829 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 4: until I can sing this song in this arena, you 830 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 4: feel me like and and for me it was a 831 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 4: big deal because because I was like, I'm tired of 832 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 4: people acting like this, singing songs that represent other people. 833 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 4: You know, yeah, is divisive, and it's not because I 834 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 4: feel like it's the black national anthem, but it actually 835 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 4: speaks to unity, you know what I'm saying, and I 836 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 4: think opens people's eyes. And so it was really a 837 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 4: full circle moment because to get the call because when 838 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 4: she called me, she was like, they want you to 839 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 4: sing the anthem at the super Bowl and I can't 840 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 4: even go into I'd sing anthe da da da. 841 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 3: They want you to sing that thery words and sing. 842 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: I was like, even if it was the regular one, 843 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: you wasn't gonna sing as the Suer. 844 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 4: Bowl so like, so the fact that it was that 845 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 4: that after all these years, I was able to do 846 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 4: it and to sing that song on the biggest stage 847 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 4: was so crazy. I was so so nervous, you know, 848 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 4: but I but I knew that like I'm aligned, like 849 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 4: I'm walking in purpose here and so and to deal with, like, 850 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 4: you know, the feeling of all the backlash from just 851 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 4: the anger whites you know, who didn't want me to 852 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 4: sing it. To be honest with you, it's funny because 853 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 4: I think y'all brought it up to me one time 854 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 4: and it was like, hey, you know, how do you feel. 855 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 3: I honestly was not. 856 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 4: Paying attention to it at all, you know what I mean. 857 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 4: And I'm not even saying that as like cap where 858 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 4: I'm just like to protect my people. I really didn't 859 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 4: know at first, you know what I mean. And then 860 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 4: once I found out, it was just like I don't care, 861 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 4: Like I really don't care. And I think that's the 862 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,959 Speaker 4: thing like when you walk in purpose. Like I said, 863 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 4: it was like some people will be mad, you know 864 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 4: what I'm saying, And listen, they're not just mad about 865 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 4: the song being sung, you know what I mean. It's 866 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 4: just black people showing up in ourselves and as we 867 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 4: are and who we are in any arena. We don't 868 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 4: want you infiltrating our anything, our games, our shows, our culture, 869 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 4: our life. You know, but that's not a real representation 870 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 4: of like American life, you know. 871 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 3: What I'm saying. 872 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 4: So for me, I think my perspective was a spiritual 873 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 4: perspective where I go and God's working on me on 874 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 4: this part. You know what I'm saying about loving everybody, 875 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 4: those white people, So that was my thing. I was like, 876 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 4: you know what, what I'm gonna choose to do is 877 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 4: love you the way I love everybody and just distance myself, 878 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Because the truth is, y'all 879 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 4: gonna be mad, you know what I'm saying anyway, And 880 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 4: the sad part is what you in sitting there angry. 881 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 4: You're actually going to miss the blessing of what this 882 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 4: moment could be, you know what I'm saying, Like, you're 883 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,439 Speaker 4: gonna miss what this song is actually saying. You're gonna 884 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 4: miss what you can learn from these people struggle, you 885 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, and from their triumph, And so 886 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 4: more than anything, I. 887 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 3: Felt bad for them. 888 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I was like, y'all, y'all 889 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 4: could stay over there. So I was just really like, 890 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 4: nothing was gonna stop me from doing this, you know 891 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. 892 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 2: So nothing did. 893 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I feel like the truth is people will 894 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 4: always find a reason to be mad. They will always 895 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 4: find a reason to be mad as long as they 896 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 4: have to share. But that's just time is going to 897 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 4: continue to turn over and those people will be phased out, 898 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. 899 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: Right Well, the album Cassandra comes out May tenth, and 900 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: we appreciate you for joining us. 901 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 3: Thank you. Oh my god, I was really sit about this. 902 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen. It's 903 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: on today. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning, Wake that 904 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: ass up in the morning. 905 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club