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Speaker 1: Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shonda land Audio

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Speaker 1: in partnership with I Heart Radio. I had been so

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Speaker 1: the next morning. He popped up and he said, I survived. Hi, everybody,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to Katie's Crib. If you didn't know,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you that August is the National

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Speaker 1: Parks Service birthday. Let's give a big Happy birthday to you.

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Speaker 1: Happy birthday to you, And in honor of the National

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Speaker 1: Park's birthday, I wanted to do a whole episode about

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Speaker 1: our national parks and how important it is to get

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Speaker 1: outside with your kids, get into nature. It's incredibly COVID safe,

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Speaker 1: it's incredibly cost effective, and of course I know nothing

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Speaker 1: about it because I'm from New York and I am

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Speaker 1: I was like, I need to have people on Katie's

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Speaker 1: who better to have on than Rob and Sarah Gardner.

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Speaker 1: Rob Gardner is the founder and CEO of Juvie, and

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Speaker 1: his awesome wife serves as Judy's director of marketing. We

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Speaker 1: talk a ton about Juvi's partnership with the National Parks,

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Speaker 1: camping Memories and ship storms. We talked about the no

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Speaker 1: screen time situation while camping, and they're a big help

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Speaker 1: to me, who is someone who's unfamiliar with camping. They

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Speaker 1: to do it. They live a very active outdoor lifestyle

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Speaker 1: with their three children. They've experienced a ton of our

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Speaker 1: want to get all into it. Welcome to Katie's Crib,

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Speaker 1: Sarah and Rob. So tell me your kid's names and

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Speaker 1: how old they are. Sarah, our oldest is Eva and

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Speaker 1: she is seventeen, and then we go down to Egg fifteen.

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Speaker 1: And then our youngest is twelve. And that's Bob. Oh cute.

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Speaker 1: Bob is Bob short for anything? But he is actually

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Speaker 1: a fourth He's Robert Paul Gardener, the fourth. Ah wow,

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Speaker 1: I love it, But I love calling a kid Bob, Like,

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Speaker 1: how great is that? Did he ever go by Bobby? Never?

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Speaker 1: From the time he was a baby. He was a big,

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Speaker 1: Sarah's dad was Bob, so when we saw him, he

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Speaker 1: was Bob for sure. I love it, I love it,

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Speaker 1: love I love it. Now did you too when you

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Speaker 1: were kids? Were you guys super outdoorsy? I grew up

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Speaker 1: up hiking a lot, but not a lot of camping.

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Speaker 1: Mostly hiking, but a lot of I've hiked a lot

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Speaker 1: And what about you, Rob, I camped all the time

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Speaker 1: with my dad. My mom went twice and the second

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Speaker 1: So I want to know how young did you start

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Speaker 1: instilling this love of the outdoors with your kids? Well,

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Speaker 1: because of Juvia, I'd say we were a little bit late,

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Speaker 1: because you know, this is something that I did extensively young.

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Speaker 1: And then as I went through my career, we built

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Speaker 1: then after we got married. Um, Bob was about seven

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Speaker 1: That first trip was to West Yellowstone. We were going

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Speaker 1: and my husband included. We had um Dr Dan Siegel

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Speaker 1: one of the most for most incredible psychologists in early development,

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Speaker 1: It will just build such a respectful relationship as adults exactly.

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Speaker 1: And that leave no trace is so important to our

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Speaker 1: looking to continue our partnership with them. Rob and I

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Speaker 1: And so the whole thing, I feel like, collectively is

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Speaker 1: some ship storms that have occurred. The ship storm for

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Speaker 1: And so let's let's go forward to just last week.

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Speaker 1: have experienced it, and I think the key is when

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Speaker 1: you see someone turning green or they don't look like

429
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: they feel good, pull over immediately. Well, and I think

430
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: slow down, slow down for a guy that drives probably

431
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 1: a little too fast sometimes. Uh you know, Sarah has

432
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: a height issue too, So along those roads, so slow

433
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Speaker 1: down and then don't be shy about the rest areas

434
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 1: along the way. We we really use the rest areas

435
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of people avoid those. But you can

436
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: get out, stretch your legs. They have restrooms and so

437
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: you know, fresh air solves a lot of that car sickness,

438
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: I think, and getting a little bit of fresh air

439
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: and slowing down. So that's my advice, and knock on

440
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 1: wood that we haven't had that problem, right, and then again,

441
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,199
Speaker 1: just be prepared. It's almost like in an airline. It's

442
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 1: like a little barf bags and see that if you

443
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, if you know you're going on, we have

444
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: trash bags. That's another one, have trash bags in the car.

445
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: So I think also it's great to remind us because

446
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times when we're on vacation,

447
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: we just want to get there, and so people, you know,

448
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: are dry fast, and no one really wants to really

449
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: like enjoy the journey to get there, and so it's

450
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 1: probably not great for car sickness. But yeah, pull over,

451
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: enjoy rest stop, take a walk around. I I remember

452
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: that growing up, like because we used to drive to

453
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: Buffalo where my granny is. As a kid, I loved

454
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: the rest stops, like it was the best part. Our

455
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 1: oldest daughter is driving now. But I've got a little

456
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: bit of a lead foot, and I wrote in the

457
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: back of the sprinter recently, so it is a little

458
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: bit different back there. I was saying that when you're

459
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: riding in the front and so you guys still have

460
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: a sprinter now, oh yeah, oh yeah, we Sarah drives

461
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: it daily. I mean it's her daily driver. We're taking

462
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: off on a big road trip in two weeks, so

463
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: we're we use that thing. We're camping. We're going on

464
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: road trips across the country. We are on the move.

465
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 1: We're not camping this trip. We're staying in hotels, but

466
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: we're driving. So we go to Grand Titans for four days.

467
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: We're going all the way to the bad lands in

468
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: South Dakota to see the black footed ferrets. We wrote

469
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: a book about those Missouri and it makes our our

470
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: little tiny house seemed very big. After a three week

471
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: trip in the car. Wow, Now does Bob just what

472
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: does he doing there for fun? Like? What if he's like,

473
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this road trip anymore. I'm

474
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: super bored. But yeah, that that does happen. You sound

475
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,239
Speaker 1: like him, I don't want to go that we do

476
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: and in the draw on the drive we do let

477
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Speaker 1: the kids download and watch movies. Sometimes we'll listen to

478
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: an audio book as a family. We listen to, um,

479
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: which one do we listen to that one year? Mark

480
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: Twain or Tom Sawyer? Tom Sawyer. Yeah, sometimes we will

481
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Speaker 1: do family audio. My dad's from Hannibal, Missouri, where Mark

482
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: Twain's from so, so if a kid is not cooperating,

483
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear you guys who are super outdoors,

484
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: you're like on the car ride, fine, you can watch

485
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: a screen for an hour and a half. Because we're

486
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Speaker 1: about to get somewhere where you're not going to have

487
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: that much. You can say, you know, look for things too.

488
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: If you can find different bugs or a different creature

489
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: chipmunk or something, it's easily distracts kids, you know. I

490
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: was we were at dinner the other night in a

491
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Speaker 1: restaurant outside and Bob was being a little difficult than

492
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: I go, look at that bear sticking his head out

493
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: of that cave up there, and he's like, where right

494
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: up there? You know, And he's like, that's not a bear.

495
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: And we went back two days later that that bear

496
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: is still up there, but he stopped doing his complaining

497
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: and starts looking for because there's not a bear. But

498
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: I do see two birds up there, So you know,

499
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: a little distraction works. What I have seen in COVID

500
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: and this quarantine situation is that there's never been more

501
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Speaker 1: of a time where friends of mine who have little

502
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: ones are really that was the option this past year.

503
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: Two people were staring at the same four walls for

504
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: a very long time, and the only thing that we

505
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: knew that was safe to get out and to get

506
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: a change of scenery and to get your kids to

507
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Speaker 1: run and hopefully get tired, getting them into the great outdoors.

508
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: And so more people than I've ever known before, we're camping,

509
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: We're fishing, we're hiking, we're visiting national parks, were renting

510
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: RVs and driving cross country to see family that they

511
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: hadn't seen in months. I mean, this is really one

512
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: of the the silver linings of this I feel like

513
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: whole entire year is the fact that I'm even entertaining

514
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: the idea of camping. Don't be intimidated. It's not too hard.

515
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: We have the ability to practice, and I think that's

516
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: super important for people. That you don't get out there

517
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: and it's dark and you're trying to set up a

518
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: tent that you've never done. Okay, great. So this is

519
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: tip number one that when Adam listens to that's my husband,

520
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: when he listens to this podcast, that we are going

521
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: to take into accounts. So people's first foray into the

522
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: great outdoors overnight or anything like that, you should do

523
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: a trial run like in your yard. Yeah, the yard

524
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: is fantastic. That's the best place to set up your

525
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: tent and any of these other things that take instructions.

526
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: But we we actually went on a camping trip last

527
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: week just to the Sierras and with a brand new tent,

528
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: and of course we were running a little bit behind,

529
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: and we got to our campsite just about what it

530
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: was getting dark, so we had to set up a

531
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: brand new tent in the dark. So we definitely wouldn't

532
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: recommend that preparation is key. Okay, So even you guys

533
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: are super skilled and experienced, totally messed it up. Do

534
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: you have any other advice for first time campers all

535
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: in the planning. Don't lose your cool. I mean, because

536
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: as a guy that can lose his cool every now

537
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: and then, um, it's not worth it, and it's that's

538
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: part of the adventure. Things are gonna go wrong. You're

539
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: gonna forget stuff. I mean, I told Sarah, like, we

540
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: need a couple of rolls of paper towels last week

541
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: and she didn't. We forgot her. So I had some

542
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: other rags in the car and it worked out. But

543
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, don't lose your cool. This is about out

544
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: having fun and you know, don't let it get the

545
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: better of you, because I know that that can happen,

546
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: so that that's really just take a deep breath and

547
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: relax and say, this is going to be an adventure.

548
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: We're creating a memory, and this is going to be

549
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: way better than something that isn't a family memory. I

550
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: guess exactly. Sometimes those mishaps are the best stories, and

551
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: they are the best memories. And we have, you know,

552
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: some of those that we just tell over and over again,

553
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: like the I survived the night and everyone's done the yard,

554
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: or they've done a beach trial that's like hopefully hopefully

555
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes away. Then what would you suggest for me

556
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: and Adam if we were going to do something this summer,

557
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: Like what is our first for? Also, I don't own

558
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: any of this crap, Like what do we do? Do

559
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: people rent it to people. I just thought that, oh

560
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: my gosh, this is going to be insane, like getting

561
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: a tent and you need this and you need that.

562
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: But I feel like there's actually it wasn't as bad

563
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: as I thought, especially when comparing it to like a

564
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: vacation with hotels and stuff like that. I mean it's

565
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: completely cost effective. Well, when you compare it to hotels

566
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: and room service and many bars, it's it gets pretty inexpensive.

567
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, for us, there's a couple of key things.

568
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: Number one, you need sleeping bag okay, and a sleeping

569
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: bag you can use on sleepovers you can camp out

570
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: in the house. So and those you can spend a

571
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: fortune on them, but you can get them for thirty

572
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: five too if you want. And so then the tent

573
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: can become a playroom in the backyard or even in

574
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: the house, depending on how how big you get. And

575
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: so that takes care of sleeping. You want something to

576
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: insulate you from the ground, whether it's a cot an

577
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: air mattress or a few blankets. Uh, but the ground

578
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: does get cold. So those are the basics. And then

579
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: you've got a cooler for your food. I mean, you've

580
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: got to bring something to eat, so you need a cooler.

581
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: And then some way of of cooking. The camp stoves

582
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: now have gotten very inexpensive. You can get a little

583
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: Coleman to burner with little gas canisters for you know,

584
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: under under sixty bucks. We brought that last time because

585
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: there was only three of us, but we brought our

586
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: old cast iron pants and then cooked over the fire.

587
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: Most of the stuff we cooked right on the campfire.

588
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: So I'm going to send you a list. Kid, you

589
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: have gonna get just bare bare bones. When you send

590
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: me the list, I'll definitely post it on my Instagram

591
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: along with this episode. But maybe we can also talk

592
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: about like doing a Shonda land dot com article before

593
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 1: like the summer or something. If people are like your

594
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: first time camper with your kids, like here are some

595
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: ideas of like what you could bring. The number one

596
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: thing to get and the number one thing kids love.

597
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: For me, I'm a flashlight guy, So get a flashlight.

598
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: I have ones that we tie around our neck. They

599
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: just hang on your neck so you have your light

600
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: and there's a little bit of security at night when

601
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: you know you have your flashlight. I mean flashlight games

602
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: are huge right now for a three and a half

603
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: year old, I mean it is. It is the big thing.

604
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: And what do you guys recommend cooking? Are you like

605
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: putting hot dogs over the thing? Are you getting like

606
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: real fancy? I think that depends on you in the

607
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: age of your chill darn, I wouldn't recommend getting really fancy.

608
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: You want them to enjoy the experience. So they like

609
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: hot dogs and chicken nuggets. You can even bring those

610
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: and cook those, you know, wrap them in foil and

611
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: put them on the campfire. You can cook a hot

612
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: dog on a stick. We've gotten a little fancier as

613
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: our kids have gotten older and we love to cook

614
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: and eat, so we've had some delicious meals out there.

615
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: But breakfast is also really big for us. You know,

616
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: we go right to the bacon and sausage and Friday

617
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: eggs and hash browns. I mean, we made hash browns

618
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: on an open griddle on our fire. Oh my god.

619
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: And you brought this all in in a cooler. What

620
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: you do if you're gonna do hash browns. A little

621
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: tip here is get some potatoes. You have a fire

622
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: the night before, wrap them up in in foil, set

623
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: them in the fire, rotate them around, and then put

624
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: them in the cooler. And the next morning you just

625
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: I bring a cheese grat or great it right there.

626
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: They're already cooked. You just have to heat them up

627
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: at that point, so they cook the potato the night before.

628
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: I want to go camping with you guys. We're going

629
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: to go up in August, though you're invited if you'd

630
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: like to tag in on a secret trip. So I

631
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: want to come. Where are you going? Which one to

632
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: our secret spot? To the good spot? We'll tell you later.

633
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: We've got it for a week. Obviously, you have a

634
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: mouse thing, which no, no, thank you. That freaks me out.

635
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: What are we doing about mosquitoes and bugs? Or is

636
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: everyone just covered in deed at all times? Are we?

637
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: What is it? I have a bug thing too for

638
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: some reason. It's actually good for my family because all

639
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,479
Speaker 1: the bugs eating me and they leave everyone else alone.

640
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: I have the absolute same. But to be honest, I

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Speaker 1: mean I got yes, so you cover yourself. Indeed, are

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Speaker 1: you covering your kid? Wait? To we cover everybody? There's

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Speaker 1: family friendly. If you go to ari I, they've got

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Speaker 1: different levels. You can kind of read and and did

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Speaker 1: a little research on that. But you know, I always overpacked.

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Speaker 1: I bring all these clothes like I'm going to change

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So you put a little deet

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Speaker 1: on there, a little bug sprayer lotion, and then by

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Speaker 1: the end, you know, the bugs don't bother you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we didn't have any problem this last week, but it

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Speaker 1: was a little early in the years. So when you

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Speaker 1: do set up your tent, zip the door shut, don't

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Speaker 1: leave it open when you go in and out. Zippetite

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Speaker 1: because you don't want mosquitoes in there. So do not

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Speaker 1: just be hanging out with the tent open, no zip zip.

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Speaker 1: Once they get in there, you're you're dead. Your kids

657
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: that right away that they need to zip the tent

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Speaker 1: all the way closed if they're going in and out,

659
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Speaker 1: because that is key, not having them correct in your

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Speaker 1: tent when you're sleeping. See, I'm telling you you guys,

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Speaker 1: we need to make a list because these are all

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Speaker 1: like if I could just have this Sarah and Rob Gardner,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you you could publish this, but the packing

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Speaker 1: list of just like things you never thought because I

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Speaker 1: don't want to find out too late, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. I just want to be prepared and have

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Speaker 1: the stuff. And like you said, Rob, when I apparently

668
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: when something's been forgotten or whatever, that's part of the adventure.

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Speaker 1: We carry a pretty nice first aid kit with all

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Speaker 1: of this all the fix and so I would highly

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Speaker 1: recommend that that's a great idea. Seep, Yep, this needs

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Speaker 1: to be on the packing list. Never heard of it,

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Speaker 1: never thought of it. I just was looking at Amazon

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Speaker 1: this week to update ours because it's gets getting kind

675
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Speaker 1: of tired, and you can get a really nice one

676
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Speaker 1: for fourteen fifteen dollars and it has all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: And then don't forget about the rangers, who they can

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Speaker 1: be a nice you know, know where they are. How

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Speaker 1: do you can get in contact because they can really

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Speaker 1: be a nice resource up there if you do have

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Speaker 1: an emergency. How do you do that? Well, most of

682
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Speaker 1: the campgrounds each have somebody that overseas them and they

683
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: have an office there and you see the rangers. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's one thing. Whether it's a state campground

685
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Speaker 1: or a federal there's people there to kind of help.

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Speaker 1: And another tip is they're saying don't bring firewords anymore.

687
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: They don't want wood coming from different areas. But they

688
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: sell local firewood that you can buy, so their local

689
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: pasts and you're not bringing things into an area that

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Speaker 1: maybe aren't there before. Oh god, I never even I mean, wow, brilliant.

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Speaker 1: So in the state of California, you cannot have a

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Speaker 1: camp fire if you do not have a campfire permit.

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Speaker 1: And that is about a twenty minute online course you

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Speaker 1: have to take and it tells you what to do,

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Speaker 1: when not to have a fire, how to do it

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Speaker 1: and do it right. So it's it's it's interesting and

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Speaker 1: highly recommended. You know. The last little bit of information

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Speaker 1: is don't make the mistake we made to start late,

699
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: because the kids get used to it. You know, We've

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Speaker 1: got you know, there's products out there, whether it's a

701
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: Juvy or something else. You can get a playyard, you

702
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: can get a high chair that's fold small. Take the kids.

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00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's going to create these memories. So that's

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Speaker 1: what I'll leave you with is, you know, start younger

705
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: than we did. The kids can be out there, they

706
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: can take it, and you're gonna have a great time.

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Speaker 1: Oh I really like that. You guys are really inspiring me.

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Speaker 1: I gotta get outside. I gotta make these plans. I'm

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Speaker 1: a good planner. I can do it. Rob and Sarah,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on Katie's Crib. I

711
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: learned so much. I'm such a fan of Juvie and

712
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: all the products you guys make. And I'm just so

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Speaker 1: into this collaboration with the National Parks Foundation and all

714
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Speaker 1: you guys are doing to help keep our parks going.

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Speaker 1: And I'm leaving this podcast inspired to get out there

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00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna camp and I'm going to figure it out,

717
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: and my husband's gonna be like, We're what, and I'm

718
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: going to say, We're doing it. We have to instill

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Speaker 1: the love of nature into it for our children. So

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Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for coming on Katie's Crib

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Speaker 1: and teaching me how to get started. And for all

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Speaker 1: talk about, guests you want me to have on. You

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