WEBVTT - We can’t Waithe! Lena Waithe joins the conversation… 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:10.000 you a Charlotte today? I have an incredible friend on 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:13.280 you want to know me, Lena Wait, who is an 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:18.400 incredible actress, producer, and screenwriter and director. She created a 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:20.680 Showtime show called The Shy, which is now in its 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:25.040 seventh season, which is amazing. She wrote and produced Queen 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.680 and Slim the film. And when I first really really 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.880 became aware of her as most people is when she 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:35.479 started Master of None. She became the first African American 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:39.040 woman to win the Prime Time Emmy Award for Outstanding 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:41.680 Writing for a Comedy Series. And she's also in that 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.360 series and it's so incredible. It's about her own coming 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.760 out story. I love her so much and she knows 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:49.919 so much about television. I think you guys are really 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:50.600 going to enjoy this. 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:51.920 Elena Wait. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:54.840 Yay ye, thank you for joining us. 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:56.640 THANKI for having me dined. Have you on? 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:57.880 I've been dying to come on. 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.960 I texted Lena right away, Yeah when we got this podcast, 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:02.120 did saying. 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.119 You will have to be on, please please please. 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.880 And I said, yes you did, thank God, thank God. 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:07.840 So honored to be here. 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:09.720 I am honored to have you, and I'm honored to 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:11.840 have you for many reasons. Number One, I just like 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:15.160 to see you. I love to see Number two Lena, 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.000 in case you guys don't know, is a multi hyphen it. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.560 I'm going to tell you your whole resume later and 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:22.160 you're not in front of me. But the thing that's 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:26.840 important is that her knowledge a film and television is 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:31.560 so expansive and deep, and this is partly why I 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.440 love her. Like when we first started, and just like that, 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.080 you left me the sweetest, sweetest voicemail. I don't know 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.240 what panicky thing I had sent to you or whatever, 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.440 but you know, you're just very grounding. Your knowledge is 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:47.120 very grounding in terms of you know what has happened before, 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.360 You know how things develop in our culture on television, 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:53.920 in film, what it means. And as you just said 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:55.440 to me when you sat down we were talking about 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.120 this episode, you said, I think television has a timestamp, 0:01:58.400 --> 0:01:59.680 which tell me more, what. 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:00.960 Do you well? 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.400 I think sometimes when people look at TV from say, 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:08.640 ten years ago or even twenty, it can feel in 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:13.239 moments uncomfortable or icky, even because you're thinking, oh, well, 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:16.120 no one would make that joke today, or you couldn't 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:19.520 do that now. And what's interesting about that is what 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.799 I believe art is it's time capsule, really, and it's 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:25.000 a time stamp of where we were at that time 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:27.680 and what was happening in the world then. And so 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:29.959 I think of even though yes, He's are fictitious characters, 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.040 in a way, this is sort of giving us a 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.880 sense of what New York was at that time, what 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.920 it was for women at that time, what the limits 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.679 were at that moment, and what could and couldn't be 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.840 talked about, and what barriers you guys were pushing up against. 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:46.799 And so I'm really grateful that I got to grow 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:47.160 up with it. 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:47.880 I was, like am I. 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:49.640 I was a teenager when it first came on, and 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:54.040 so I was learning so much about what it meant 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.240 to be an adult friend by watching you all. And 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:58.720 I think I was more interested in that than the 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:00.960 love stories per se. But the love stories are there 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.000 as well, sold you bust about self love and how 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.720 you see yourself. But watching it now as a forty 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:09.920 year old person revisiting the episode, for a lot of 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:15.480 us who are my age, we feel a little confronted 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:19.399 by now Sex and the City because we are now 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.720 the ages that you guys were then at that time, 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:28.160 and we're seeing ourselves play out some of these storylines, 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.720 and that I think is saying that the show. You 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.280 may point certain things out and say, oh, you can 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:35.800 make that joke now, but I do think the show 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.760 is aging well, thank you, because the fact that I 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.880 can see myself. 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:46.720 In it as I get older and understand things better. 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.600 It's worked that I've gotten to grow up with and 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:54.920 I still get to sit with now. But now it's 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.560 not a lot of us are saying it's not just 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:01.360 fun on the background. Now now it's okay, I'm in 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.120 this stage right now, or I'm going through a divorce, 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.200 or I'm about to get married, or I'm about to 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.640 have my first baby right and so now it's as 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.120 if you guys are still there. I think of art 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:15.360 as an inheritance, and so we have inherited this, this work, 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.279 and that's why I think within just like that is 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.159 the continuation of the life of the work. And so 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:21.880 when I go back and revisit, and just like that, 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:23.960 I will be as I get older, I will then 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:25.680 start to understand these stories even more. 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:26.760 I love time. 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:27.360 Thank you. 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:29.160 Yes, that's part of the reason I wanted to do 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.159 the podcast is because I do feel also for myself. 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:34.360 Right, you know you're there, right, because I was there. 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.400 But also I was the age I was when we started, right, 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:39.839 and now I'm the age I am now, and I 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.120 have such a different perspective. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:42.719 And as I was telling you when you sat down. 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:46.440 I had never really rewatched because when they would come 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.599 out in the beginning, we would be so excited to 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.279 see them, you know, because obviously we were kind of 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:53.160 doing this fresh, totally different thing, and you know, we 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.760 were always like a little scared also, you know about 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.920 whatever we get done, as you know, because you act 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:00.479 as well, it's like scary, you. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.000 Don't know how it's going to turn out, and you 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:02.800 guys are taking a lot of. 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:04.080 Risks, a lot of risks. 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.120 I mean, we still are like wait till you see 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:07.160 the first episode. 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.560 Of Wait, I'm ready. Okay, I'm ready. 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.480 I know, but I was like, oh my god, I 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:14.279 forgot about that. 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.240 But that's how we used to feel too, like you know, 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:18.839 what do we say, what do we do? How's it 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:20.840 going to seem? Are people going to be Just in 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.400 the beginning, we thought people would just be outraged, you know, 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.039 because there was nothing else like it, you know, and 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.680 we weren't out there talking about sex freely as women 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.600 time in nineteen ninety seven when we filmed the pilot, 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:35.719 right a different time, right. So then over time, the 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.320 first time that they syndicated the show, they edited it. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:39.359 Do you remember this it was on? 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:41.960 Of course I was actually think about that, right, And so. 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.120 They took a lot of stuff out, And if you'd 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.279 be walking by TV and Beyon, I'd be like, ah, 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.000 you know, it just seemed so weird to me, like 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:51.920 to first of all have it be out in a 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.080 mass way, right, we never expected that, and then to 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.279 have it kind of altered, which was weird, so like 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.080 whole storylines would be gone. And then also I felt like, well, 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.159 I just don't want to relive it and like live 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:02.719 in the past. 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.320 Sure that's true, because the past and future don't exist, right. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:07.600 Exactly, there's only the now. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.920 But then when it came on Netflix and all these 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.000 younger people started discovering it absolutely, and I think because 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:17.240 we're still together working, so it's not that thing where 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:19.360 it hurts you to look at it, you know, because 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:24.120 we're still really very vibrantly together exactly, and you know, love. 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.800 What we're doing still. So then I felt like, I so. 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:32.359 Want to see what storylines still resonate, what still is true, 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:33.400 what isn't true? 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:34.160 You know what? 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:38.000 Culturally, where are we at? So many things have changed 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.599 and then certain things not changed it at all. Yeah, 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:42.320 super fascinating, absolutely. 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.520 I mean what I remember when it did come to E, 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:46.960 and I remember because obviously I watched it on HBO 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:48.120 and loved it. 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.000 I us to watch what my mom was is like crazy, 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:50.640 you know. 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:53.120 But I think when it came to E, I think 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.279 some people work kind of nervous about how is this 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.039 going to translate? Because the whole thing about it is 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:00.400 that it's HBO, it's premium, it's different. But I think 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:04.040 what was happening was it had become such a cultural 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.960 point in our society that I think it was actually 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.640 really smart for E to put to grab it. Obviously 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.360 for a lot of reasons, but because then it became 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.480 this sort of thing where anyone could have access. 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:15.840 To it, you know. 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.440 And the truth is, because Sex and the City is 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:22.000 such a premium type of entertainment, it was nice for 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.040 people to have access to it, absolutely, and I think 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:26.760 that was cool. And I think now when it came 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.760 to Netflix because now it's everywhere. 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:31.120 It's exactly as it was. 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:35.480 They aren't taking things, yeah and so, but now it's 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.000 happening in a way where like when somebody gets sick 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:39.760 or you're chilling at home, whatever, now you can just 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:43.080 have it on, but you're not. It doesn't feel mindless though, 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.160 it's sort of it's almost this new rebirth. If you 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:46.880 think about it, how it airing this original then it 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.239 goes to E now it's on Netflix. What it's telling 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.400 you is, this is the kind of thing every television writer, creator, 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:57.080 person wants to make something that can live in different mediums. 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.120 You know, it can be on a streamer, it can 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.000 be on a basic K you can go to HBO, 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:03.440 Max Steell. I think if you want to find it 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.880 and obviously still find the latest, it means that there 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.680 is a desire for it. There is something about these characters, 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.720 something about dating, something about friendship, something about trying to 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:19.120 balance career and family. These are just universal things, you know. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.600 And look, you deal do with the race element, yes, 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:23.560 like for women. But at the end of the day, 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:27.600 it's like it's something very universal about it, very universal. 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:27.760 And that's cool. 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.080 But I mean, look, I mean, we live in a 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.559 white leaning society, we live in a patriarchal society, we 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:33.760 live in a capitalist society. 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:34.840 Those are just facts. 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.480 And when you accept that, there's a level of Okay, 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.480 this is what's happening. But what I do think it 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.160 just like that does is where you guys have brought 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.280 black women to the table now, and so what you 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.560 kind of find is that there's cultural differences, but not 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.800 when it comes to love and balance and trying to 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.440 raise kids and keep a husband and have a sense 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.520 of self right. And so what that also reminds us 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:58.560 is we have more in common than we think. But 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.800 what's interesting about these characters is a black woman could 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:01.480 say I relate. 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.160 To Charlotte, of course, you know what I'm saying. 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.360 A black woman could say I relate to Carry, an 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.120 Asian woman could say I'm a Samantha my crew. Because 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.240 it's really more about these these character sort of types. 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:12.840 And also if I mean, there are people that break 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:14.600 down sex in the city in much deeper ways than 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:16.880 I do, but there are people that say they represent 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.280 they make up one woman. 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.840 I know you know, yeah, I mean, okay, see hello, hello, 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:23.440 she knows. 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.760 I did push back, did push back. 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.000 It also depends on where you are in your life, 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.320 because because sometimes you're you're in a Charlotte era where 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:42.960 you're like, I really want to be married, I want 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.480 to have the kid, and other times you're in the 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.480 Samantha era where you're like, I'm cool here, I want 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:49.680 to yes, exactly. So I think what's also interesting about 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.120 the show is as you grow, and there's that whole 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.440 argument online is that everybody says, when Miranda was right, 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.400 you know, we were kind of were almost taught by 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:03.920 society to, oh, Miranda is so uptight and she's so cold, 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:07.520 and she doesn't she's not as you know, frolicky as 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.600 the other girls. Yeah, but then you kind of grow, 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.160 you kind of realize in your life, oh, she's a 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.880 person with a lot of discernment, she doesn't trust easily. 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:17.959 She's not as like warm and cuddly. 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.160 And I think that's because the world, especially a corporate 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:22.960 world where she lives in, you don't really get to 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.559 be that, you know, I'm saying the Also, Charlotte is 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.440 a person who is in the art world and she's 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.680 a curator and all these different things. So I think 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:31.240 you get to be a little bit more leaning to 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.120 your feminine in a way that maybe of people can't. 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.000 With Samantha working in pr you have to be tough, 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.280 but there's also a level of like using her feminine 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.560 wiles to get what she wants. And Carrie is a writer, 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.440 so she has to live in order to do her job. 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:46.800 If she's not dating and having sex, Like, what's her 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:48.120 column going to be about? 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:49.840 Oh yeah, I forget that. 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:50.520 Yeah. 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:52.760 So so there's just so many things about it and 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:54.559 also so interesting because of course the press or critics, 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:55.920 if you look at old reviews, they say, oh, it's 0:10:55.960 --> 0:11:01.240 gay men writing white writing, it's hating, or they have 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:02.880 all this sex, or where they got this money from. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:04.920 Look, at the end of the day, it's what the 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:06.040 show is actually. 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:09.040 Doing is confronting all of us about what it means 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.800 to be a woman in the world. And I really think, 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:13.440 to me it was so fascinating about the show really 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:17.160 covers is motherhood, you know, and about you know, have 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.120 you got an abortion? Did you think about getting one? 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:20.560 You know? 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:22.840 I love the show coulda is one of my favorite 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.880 episodes that talk about that one. It's fine, but you know, 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:27.960 but yeah, it's just gonna, i know, come back. But 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.280 it just sort of covers. And that's how I learned 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.800 television writing, really from watching the watching Sex in the 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:34.920 City and listening to Michael Patrick King's commentary. 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.880 It's about making sure you have everyone's opinion in the room. 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.800 And and and those writers were so great at making 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.440 sure whatever the topic was, all four of you none 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.400 of you agreed, right, and and I think that was 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.559 and it was. That's what makes the scene, those obviously 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:54.440 those iconic lunch dinner scenes so amazing because you all 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.600 are going to have a different opinion, you know. Anyway, 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:58.400 I love an episode I'm here to talk about. Miranda 0:11:58.440 --> 0:11:59.640 actually has to leave the table. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:01.600 God, I know I'd forgotten about this. 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.400 She leaves the table because she's like, I'm tired of 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:05.160 talking about men. 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.960 I know, which I think Michael Patrick, because Michael Patrick 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:12.040 wrote this episode is called you Now to the ball details. 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:12.320 It's all good? 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:16.600 Where Care was season two opener where Carrie is mourning her. 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:21.360 Relationship exactly her relationship, living in that horrible fear that 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.880 you're going to run in to your eggs somewhere in 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.440 the world, which of course happens especially in New York 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:28.120 on those streets you. 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.800 Are and Charlotte is saying you have to, you know, 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.360 be sad and be inside and go through, which I 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:34.880 actually agree, I kind of agree. 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.160 I agree with Charlotte there. 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.440 I agree with myself. I agree with that. 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:39.640 Character and Miranda. 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.760 I don't know Miranda's like, nor don't feel those feelings. 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.920 Just just you gotta go. Let's stop talking about it. 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:48.599 And the truth is, when I was watching and I 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:50.800 was like, oh my god, that's our lives right now, 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.960 Like somebody's going through, you know, a separation, and some 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.520 of us are saying, girl, you got to move on, 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.160 and others are saying you need to mourn. And I 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:01.960 was watching episodees like, oh Jesus, this is my. 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:03.240 Life being reflected back. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:07.760 But I think that we're both right, you know, in 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.880 some ways, I do believe in May I'm that friend saying, 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:13.200 like I was in a voice note, give yourself grace, like, 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.559 be gentle with yourself, take your time, It's okay. 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:18.720 But then the others are saying, girl, is time you 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:19.120 got to go? 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.160 Because this is one thing Charlotte talks about, is there 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:22.720 a limit? 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.280 Because I do think I do think with myself certainly, 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.240 and I haven't been through a breakup in a while, 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.920 thank God, But you know, there comes a time where 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.319 it maybe goes too long. 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:33.240 Couch too long? 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:33.679 True. 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.000 I mean, well, I think that's the interesting thing is 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.240 I think, well, I also believe everything is temporary, good 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.640 feelings as well as bad, and so if you're feeling 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.920 sad for a really long time, or it feels like, hey, 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.240 what's going on? Then I mean, if Eleena character is there, 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:50.679 I'm saying, then it might be a time to talk 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:52.680 to a therapist for sure and kind of get to 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.800 the root of what's going on, because now this person 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.640 is more a representation of something. 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.000 You've projected onto this relationship. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.200 Yes, this is triggering something. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:03.760 You got to get to the root of it and 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:05.960 looking at it in retrospect, because we ultimately knows what 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:10.079 happens with Carry and Big. The question then becomes, if 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.400 you can't get over someone, are you actually meant to 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.120 get over them? Is there something going on? Will that 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.000 person come back? Or you know, there's a season you 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.440 know it's like that, maybe it's time for that. 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.720 Person to go away and you come back. 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:25.360 But I think also the writing is just so beautiful 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.800 because she does bump into Big. Of course, she looks 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.120 great she's with the hot guy, you know, and he 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.600 of course is a little a little burned by it. 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:37.720 And it's season two, so yeah, and it's setting something up, 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:39.720 which I think. You know, Sex and City does a 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.800 beautiful job of creating these romances that can that can 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.800 come and go, which I also learned about in terms 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.800 of relationships. They can blossom for a season and then 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:50.360 they can close and they can come back. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:51.880 I mean that happens with your character as well. 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.520 You have gentlemen that come and go and then they 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:55.800 find their way back into your life. 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:57.960 That's true, and that is true true, I think with 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.560 in the beginning, And again I wasn't I wasn't really 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.920 thinking very objectively when we were doing it. I whatever 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:06.480 they wrote, I was like, let's try. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:07.040 To make this work, you know. 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.280 That was my thing, right, Like I never examined it 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.640 very hard, right, So when I'm looking back on it, 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:15.040 sometimes I'm like, I know, Charlotte believes in love, but like, 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:16.360 why was she so into Big? 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.320 Because Big really puts Carrie through it, you know, true? 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:21.960 Right, I was always like, yay. 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.840 Big, you know what I mean, that's interesting. I thought 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:24.200 about it. 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.240 But I also think it's because I'm my age now 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:28.800 versus my age then do you know. 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:29.240 What I mean? 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.240 Well, well, what's interesting because I think she believes in 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:36.160 them because for Carrie, she's thinking like this is the one. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.359 I think she's thinking that because Carrie is thinking. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.880 Right, and she wants Carrie to be to have what 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.160 she wants, and she wants the guy that she's going for. 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:46.960 And I think at the time, I don't know if 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.600 we had the emotional intelligence to say, well he's not 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.280 really committing, what's going on and what should we do? 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.120 And also he was all the things that they talk 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.440 about now like breadcrumbing, the things that people talk about 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:56.840 on life. 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:02.960 We never thought those things in the nineties. No you didn't, No, 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:03.640 we didn't. 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.560 But it's so interesting because like I was around, like 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:08.000 you know, my mom and her friends always say, I 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.080 haven't mister Big, I haven't mister Big, and. 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:11.920 So I think everybody kind of has one. 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:13.640 And I think, but now, what mister big represents to 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:15.760 someone who is just unattainable definitely and. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:16.800 Someone you kind of can't have. 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.120 And that's why I think, you know, within just like that, 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.240 people get so in their feelings because in a way, 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:22.880 Sex and the City is like the sort of fairy 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:24.200 tale for adult women. 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:29.160 And so well, the movie then also kind of gave us. 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.440 It continues the chapter where oh they it was a 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:33.280 mess up and they got married, and then the second 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:35.960 movie okay, cheetah, okay now and just like that, okay, 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.280 it sort of takes you through all all these stages 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.800 of a relationship, you know. And then I mean not 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.600 to get too deep, but you know, when his character 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.680 dies and away, it's that part of that little. 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.360 Girl of her has also died. But she doesn't need 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.760 to chase a prince charming anymore. 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.040 That's so true, and I feel like she really embodies 0:16:56.080 --> 0:17:09.440 that so beautifully. You know, people complain about Carrie online, 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:10.600 which I find weird. 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.520