1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: you a Charlotte today? I have an incredible friend on 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: you want to know me, Lena Wait, who is an 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: incredible actress, producer, and screenwriter and director. She created a 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: Showtime show called The Shy, which is now in its 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: seventh season, which is amazing. She wrote and produced Queen 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: and Slim the film. And when I first really really 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: became aware of her as most people is when she 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: started Master of None. She became the first African American 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: woman to win the Prime Time Emmy Award for Outstanding 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Writing for a Comedy Series. And she's also in that 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: series and it's so incredible. It's about her own coming 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: out story. I love her so much and she knows 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 1: so much about television. I think you guys are really 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: going to enjoy this. 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: Elena Wait. 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: Yay ye, thank you for joining us. 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: THANKI for having me dined. Have you on? 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: I've been dying to come on. 20 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: I texted Lena right away, Yeah when we got this podcast, 21 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: did saying. 22 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,119 Speaker 2: You will have to be on, please please please. 23 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 3: And I said, yes you did, thank God, thank God. 24 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 3: So honored to be here. 25 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: I am honored to have you, and I'm honored to 26 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: have you for many reasons. Number One, I just like 27 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: to see you. I love to see Number two Lena, 28 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: in case you guys don't know, is a multi hyphen it. 29 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you your whole resume later and 30 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: you're not in front of me. But the thing that's 31 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: important is that her knowledge a film and television is 32 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: so expansive and deep, and this is partly why I 33 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: love her. Like when we first started, and just like that, 34 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: you left me the sweetest, sweetest voicemail. I don't know 35 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: what panicky thing I had sent to you or whatever, 36 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: but you know, you're just very grounding. Your knowledge is 37 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: very grounding in terms of you know what has happened before, 38 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: You know how things develop in our culture on television, 39 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: in film, what it means. And as you just said 40 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: to me when you sat down we were talking about 41 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: this episode, you said, I think television has a timestamp, 42 00:01:58,400 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: which tell me more, what. 43 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: Do you well? 44 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 4: I think sometimes when people look at TV from say, 45 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 4: ten years ago or even twenty, it can feel in 46 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 4: moments uncomfortable or icky, even because you're thinking, oh, well, 47 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 4: no one would make that joke today, or you couldn't 48 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 4: do that now. And what's interesting about that is what 49 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 4: I believe art is it's time capsule, really, and it's 50 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 4: a time stamp of where we were at that time 51 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 4: and what was happening in the world then. And so 52 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 4: I think of even though yes, He's are fictitious characters, 53 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 4: in a way, this is sort of giving us a 54 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 4: sense of what New York was at that time, what 55 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 4: it was for women at that time, what the limits 56 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 4: were at that moment, and what could and couldn't be 57 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 4: talked about, and what barriers you guys were pushing up against. 58 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 4: And so I'm really grateful that I got to grow 59 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 4: up with it. 60 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: I was, like am I. 61 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 4: I was a teenager when it first came on, and 62 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 4: so I was learning so much about what it meant 63 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 4: to be an adult friend by watching you all. And 64 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 4: I think I was more interested in that than the 65 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 4: love stories per se. But the love stories are there 66 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 4: as well, sold you bust about self love and how 67 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 4: you see yourself. But watching it now as a forty 68 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 4: year old person revisiting the episode, for a lot of 69 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 4: us who are my age, we feel a little confronted 70 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 4: by now Sex and the City because we are now 71 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 4: the ages that you guys were then at that time, 72 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 4: and we're seeing ourselves play out some of these storylines, 73 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 4: and that I think is saying that the show. You 74 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 4: may point certain things out and say, oh, you can 75 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 4: make that joke now, but I do think the show 76 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 4: is aging well, thank you, because the fact that I 77 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 4: can see myself. 78 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 3: In it as I get older and understand things better. 79 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 4: It's worked that I've gotten to grow up with and 80 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 4: I still get to sit with now. But now it's 81 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 4: not a lot of us are saying it's not just 82 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 4: fun on the background. Now now it's okay, I'm in 83 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 4: this stage right now, or I'm going through a divorce, 84 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 4: or I'm about to get married, or I'm about to 85 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 4: have my first baby right and so now it's as 86 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 4: if you guys are still there. I think of art 87 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 4: as an inheritance, and so we have inherited this, this work, 88 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 4: and that's why I think within just like that is 89 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 4: the continuation of the life of the work. And so 90 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 4: when I go back and revisit, and just like that, 91 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 4: I will be as I get older, I will then 92 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 4: start to understand these stories even more. 93 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: I love time. 94 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: Thank you. 95 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: Yes, that's part of the reason I wanted to do 96 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: the podcast is because I do feel also for myself. 97 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: Right, you know you're there, right, because I was there. 98 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: But also I was the age I was when we started, right, 99 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: and now I'm the age I am now, and I 100 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: have such a different perspective. 101 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 2: And as I was telling you when you sat down. 102 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: I had never really rewatched because when they would come 103 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: out in the beginning, we would be so excited to 104 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: see them, you know, because obviously we were kind of 105 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: doing this fresh, totally different thing, and you know, we 106 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: were always like a little scared also, you know about 107 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: whatever we get done, as you know, because you act 108 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: as well, it's like scary, you. 109 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 4: Don't know how it's going to turn out, and you 110 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 4: guys are taking a lot of. 111 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: Risks, a lot of risks. 112 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: I mean, we still are like wait till you see 113 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: the first episode. 114 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 3: Of Wait, I'm ready. Okay, I'm ready. 115 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: I know, but I was like, oh my god, I 116 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: forgot about that. 117 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: But that's how we used to feel too, like you know, 118 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: what do we say, what do we do? How's it 119 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: going to seem? Are people going to be Just in 120 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: the beginning, we thought people would just be outraged, you know, 121 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: because there was nothing else like it, you know, and 122 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: we weren't out there talking about sex freely as women 123 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: time in nineteen ninety seven when we filmed the pilot, 124 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: right a different time, right. So then over time, the 125 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: first time that they syndicated the show, they edited it. 126 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 2: Do you remember this it was on? 127 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: Of course I was actually think about that, right, And so. 128 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: They took a lot of stuff out, And if you'd 129 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: be walking by TV and Beyon, I'd be like, ah, 130 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, it just seemed so weird to me, like 131 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: to first of all have it be out in a 132 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: mass way, right, we never expected that, and then to 133 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: have it kind of altered, which was weird, so like 134 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: whole storylines would be gone. And then also I felt like, well, 135 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: I just don't want to relive it and like live 136 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: in the past. 137 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 4: Sure that's true, because the past and future don't exist, right. 138 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 2: Exactly, there's only the now. 139 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: But then when it came on Netflix and all these 140 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: younger people started discovering it absolutely, and I think because 141 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: we're still together working, so it's not that thing where 142 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: it hurts you to look at it, you know, because 143 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: we're still really very vibrantly together exactly, and you know, love. 144 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: What we're doing still. So then I felt like, I so. 145 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: Want to see what storylines still resonate, what still is true, 146 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: what isn't true? 147 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: You know what? 148 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: Culturally, where are we at? So many things have changed 149 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: and then certain things not changed it at all. Yeah, 150 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: super fascinating, absolutely. 151 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 4: I mean what I remember when it did come to E, 152 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 4: and I remember because obviously I watched it on HBO 153 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 4: and loved it. 154 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 3: I us to watch what my mom was is like crazy, 155 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: you know. 156 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 4: But I think when it came to E, I think 157 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 4: some people work kind of nervous about how is this 158 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 4: going to translate? Because the whole thing about it is 159 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 4: that it's HBO, it's premium, it's different. But I think 160 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 4: what was happening was it had become such a cultural 161 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 4: point in our society that I think it was actually 162 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 4: really smart for E to put to grab it. Obviously 163 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 4: for a lot of reasons, but because then it became 164 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 4: this sort of thing where anyone could have access. 165 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: To it, you know. 166 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 4: And the truth is, because Sex and the City is 167 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 4: such a premium type of entertainment, it was nice for 168 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 4: people to have access to it, absolutely, and I think 169 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 4: that was cool. And I think now when it came 170 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 4: to Netflix because now it's everywhere. 171 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: It's exactly as it was. 172 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 4: They aren't taking things, yeah and so, but now it's 173 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 4: happening in a way where like when somebody gets sick 174 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 4: or you're chilling at home, whatever, now you can just 175 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 4: have it on, but you're not. It doesn't feel mindless though, 176 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 4: it's sort of it's almost this new rebirth. If you 177 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 4: think about it, how it airing this original then it 178 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,239 Speaker 4: goes to E now it's on Netflix. What it's telling 179 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: you is, this is the kind of thing every television writer, creator, 180 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 4: person wants to make something that can live in different mediums. 181 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 4: You know, it can be on a streamer, it can 182 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 4: be on a basic K you can go to HBO, 183 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 4: Max Steell. I think if you want to find it 184 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 4: and obviously still find the latest, it means that there 185 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 4: is a desire for it. There is something about these characters, 186 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 4: something about dating, something about friendship, something about trying to 187 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 4: balance career and family. These are just universal things, you know. 188 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 4: And look, you deal do with the race element, yes, 189 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 4: like for women. But at the end of the day, 190 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 4: it's like it's something very universal about it, very universal. 191 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: And that's cool. 192 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 4: But I mean, look, I mean, we live in a 193 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 4: white leaning society, we live in a patriarchal society, we 194 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 4: live in a capitalist society. 195 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 3: Those are just facts. 196 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 4: And when you accept that, there's a level of Okay, 197 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 4: this is what's happening. But what I do think it 198 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 4: just like that does is where you guys have brought 199 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 4: black women to the table now, and so what you 200 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 4: kind of find is that there's cultural differences, but not 201 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 4: when it comes to love and balance and trying to 202 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 4: raise kids and keep a husband and have a sense 203 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 4: of self right. And so what that also reminds us 204 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 4: is we have more in common than we think. But 205 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 4: what's interesting about these characters is a black woman could 206 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 4: say I relate. 207 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 3: To Charlotte, of course, you know what I'm saying. 208 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 4: A black woman could say I relate to Carry, an 209 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 4: Asian woman could say I'm a Samantha my crew. Because 210 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 4: it's really more about these these character sort of types. 211 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 4: And also if I mean, there are people that break 212 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 4: down sex in the city in much deeper ways than 213 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 4: I do, but there are people that say they represent 214 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 4: they make up one woman. 215 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 3: I know you know, yeah, I mean, okay, see hello, hello, 216 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 3: she knows. 217 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: I did push back, did push back. 218 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 4: It also depends on where you are in your life, 219 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 4: because because sometimes you're you're in a Charlotte era where 220 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 4: you're like, I really want to be married, I want 221 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 4: to have the kid, and other times you're in the 222 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 4: Samantha era where you're like, I'm cool here, I want 223 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 4: to yes, exactly. So I think what's also interesting about 224 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 4: the show is as you grow, and there's that whole 225 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 4: argument online is that everybody says, when Miranda was right, 226 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 4: you know, we were kind of were almost taught by 227 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 4: society to, oh, Miranda is so uptight and she's so cold, 228 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 4: and she doesn't she's not as you know, frolicky as 229 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 4: the other girls. Yeah, but then you kind of grow, 230 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 4: you kind of realize in your life, oh, she's a 231 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 4: person with a lot of discernment, she doesn't trust easily. 232 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 3: She's not as like warm and cuddly. 233 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 4: And I think that's because the world, especially a corporate 234 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 4: world where she lives in, you don't really get to 235 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 4: be that, you know, I'm saying the Also, Charlotte is 236 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 4: a person who is in the art world and she's 237 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 4: a curator and all these different things. So I think 238 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 4: you get to be a little bit more leaning to 239 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 4: your feminine in a way that maybe of people can't. 240 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 4: With Samantha working in pr you have to be tough, 241 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 4: but there's also a level of like using her feminine 242 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 4: wiles to get what she wants. And Carrie is a writer, 243 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 4: so she has to live in order to do her job. 244 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 4: If she's not dating and having sex, Like, what's her 245 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 4: column going to be about? 246 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forget that. 247 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 248 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 4: So so there's just so many things about it and 249 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 4: also so interesting because of course the press or critics, 250 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 4: if you look at old reviews, they say, oh, it's 251 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 4: gay men writing white writing, it's hating, or they have 252 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 4: all this sex, or where they got this money from. 253 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: Look, at the end of the day, it's what the 254 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 3: show is actually. 255 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 4: Doing is confronting all of us about what it means 256 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 4: to be a woman in the world. And I really think, 257 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 4: to me it was so fascinating about the show really 258 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 4: covers is motherhood, you know, and about you know, have 259 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 4: you got an abortion? Did you think about getting one? 260 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: You know? 261 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 4: I love the show coulda is one of my favorite 262 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 4: episodes that talk about that one. It's fine, but you know, 263 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 4: but yeah, it's just gonna, i know, come back. But 264 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 4: it just sort of covers. And that's how I learned 265 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 4: television writing, really from watching the watching Sex in the 266 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 4: City and listening to Michael Patrick King's commentary. 267 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 3: It's about making sure you have everyone's opinion in the room. 268 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 4: And and and those writers were so great at making 269 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 4: sure whatever the topic was, all four of you none 270 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 4: of you agreed, right, and and I think that was 271 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 4: and it was. That's what makes the scene, those obviously 272 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 4: those iconic lunch dinner scenes so amazing because you all 273 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 4: are going to have a different opinion, you know. Anyway, 274 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 4: I love an episode I'm here to talk about. Miranda 275 00:11:58,440 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 4: actually has to leave the table. 276 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: God, I know I'd forgotten about this. 277 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: She leaves the table because she's like, I'm tired of 278 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 3: talking about men. 279 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: I know, which I think Michael Patrick, because Michael Patrick 280 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: wrote this episode is called you Now to the ball details. 281 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 3: It's all good? 282 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 4: Where Care was season two opener where Carrie is mourning her. 283 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: Relationship exactly her relationship, living in that horrible fear that 284 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: you're going to run in to your eggs somewhere in 285 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: the world, which of course happens especially in New York 286 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: on those streets you. 287 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 4: Are and Charlotte is saying you have to, you know, 288 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 4: be sad and be inside and go through, which I 289 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 4: actually agree, I kind of agree. 290 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: I agree with Charlotte there. 291 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: I agree with myself. I agree with that. 292 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: Character and Miranda. 293 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: I don't know Miranda's like, nor don't feel those feelings. 294 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 3: Just just you gotta go. Let's stop talking about it. 295 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,599 Speaker 4: And the truth is, when I was watching and I 296 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, that's our lives right now, 297 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 4: Like somebody's going through, you know, a separation, and some 298 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 4: of us are saying, girl, you got to move on, 299 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 4: and others are saying you need to mourn. And I 300 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 4: was watching episodees like, oh Jesus, this is my. 301 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 3: Life being reflected back. 302 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 4: But I think that we're both right, you know, in 303 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 4: some ways, I do believe in May I'm that friend saying, 304 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 4: like I was in a voice note, give yourself grace, like, 305 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 4: be gentle with yourself, take your time, It's okay. 306 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 3: But then the others are saying, girl, is time you 307 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: got to go? 308 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: Because this is one thing Charlotte talks about, is there 309 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: a limit? 310 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: Because I do think I do think with myself certainly, 311 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: and I haven't been through a breakup in a while, 312 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: thank God, But you know, there comes a time where 313 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: it maybe goes too long. 314 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: Couch too long? 315 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 3: True. 316 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 4: I mean, well, I think that's the interesting thing is 317 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 4: I think, well, I also believe everything is temporary, good 318 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 4: feelings as well as bad, and so if you're feeling 319 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 4: sad for a really long time, or it feels like, hey, 320 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 4: what's going on? Then I mean, if Eleena character is there, 321 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 4: I'm saying, then it might be a time to talk 322 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 4: to a therapist for sure and kind of get to 323 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 4: the root of what's going on, because now this person 324 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 4: is more a representation of something. 325 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: You've projected onto this relationship. 326 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 3: Yes, this is triggering something. 327 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 4: You got to get to the root of it and 328 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 4: looking at it in retrospect, because we ultimately knows what 329 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 4: happens with Carry and Big. The question then becomes, if 330 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 4: you can't get over someone, are you actually meant to 331 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 4: get over them? Is there something going on? Will that 332 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 4: person come back? Or you know, there's a season you 333 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 4: know it's like that, maybe it's time for that. 334 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: Person to go away and you come back. 335 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 4: But I think also the writing is just so beautiful 336 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 4: because she does bump into Big. Of course, she looks 337 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 4: great she's with the hot guy, you know, and he 338 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 4: of course is a little a little burned by it. 339 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 4: And it's season two, so yeah, and it's setting something up, 340 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 4: which I think. You know, Sex and City does a 341 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 4: beautiful job of creating these romances that can that can 342 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 4: come and go, which I also learned about in terms 343 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 4: of relationships. They can blossom for a season and then 344 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 4: they can close and they can come back. 345 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 3: I mean that happens with your character as well. 346 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 4: You have gentlemen that come and go and then they 347 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 4: find their way back into your life. 348 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: That's true, and that is true true, I think with 349 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: in the beginning, And again I wasn't I wasn't really 350 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: thinking very objectively when we were doing it. I whatever 351 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: they wrote, I was like, let's try. 352 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: To make this work, you know. 353 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: That was my thing, right, Like I never examined it 354 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: very hard, right, So when I'm looking back on it, 355 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like, I know, Charlotte believes in love, but like, 356 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: why was she so into Big? 357 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: Because Big really puts Carrie through it, you know, true? 358 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: Right, I was always like, yay. 359 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: Big, you know what I mean, that's interesting. I thought 360 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: about it. 361 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: But I also think it's because I'm my age now 362 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: versus my age then do you know. 363 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: What I mean? 364 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 4: Well, well, what's interesting because I think she believes in 365 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 4: them because for Carrie, she's thinking like this is the one. 366 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,359 Speaker 2: I think she's thinking that because Carrie is thinking. 367 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 4: Right, and she wants Carrie to be to have what 368 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 4: she wants, and she wants the guy that she's going for. 369 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 4: And I think at the time, I don't know if 370 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 4: we had the emotional intelligence to say, well he's not 371 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 4: really committing, what's going on and what should we do? 372 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: And also he was all the things that they talk 373 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: about now like breadcrumbing, the things that people talk about 374 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: on life. 375 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: We never thought those things in the nineties. No you didn't, No, 376 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: we didn't. 377 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 4: But it's so interesting because like I was around, like 378 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 4: you know, my mom and her friends always say, I 379 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 4: haven't mister Big, I haven't mister Big, and. 380 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: So I think everybody kind of has one. 381 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 4: And I think, but now, what mister big represents to 382 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 4: someone who is just unattainable definitely and. 383 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: Someone you kind of can't have. 384 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 4: And that's why I think, you know, within just like that, 385 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 4: people get so in their feelings because in a way, 386 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 4: Sex and the City is like the sort of fairy 387 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 4: tale for adult women. 388 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 3: And so well, the movie then also kind of gave us. 389 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 4: It continues the chapter where oh they it was a 390 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 4: mess up and they got married, and then the second 391 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 4: movie okay, cheetah, okay now and just like that, okay, 392 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 4: it sort of takes you through all all these stages 393 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 4: of a relationship, you know. And then I mean not 394 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 4: to get too deep, but you know, when his character 395 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 4: dies and away, it's that part of that little. 396 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: Girl of her has also died. But she doesn't need 397 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 3: to chase a prince charming anymore. 398 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: That's so true, and I feel like she really embodies 399 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: that so beautifully. You know, people complain about Carrie online, 400 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: which I find weird. 401 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 3: I don't know who could complain about Carry. I know, Lena, 402 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 3: what's the issue? 403 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: Explain about Carry? They think she's self centered? 404 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: I think, well, aren't we all? 405 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, my feeling. 406 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 2: Is this, and you, as a writer are going to 407 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: have some insight into this. 408 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: My feeling is that partly, I mean, if she was perfect, 409 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been interesting exactly. 410 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 4: No, she has to be flawed, right, I don't know what. 411 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 4: I was talking with someone the other day. We were 412 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 4: getting really deep about se They never really dealt with 413 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 4: Carrie's daddy issues. They glance at it with the Vogue episode. Yes, 414 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 4: you know when you see the photo because there is 415 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 4: the older gentleman who's helping her, thinks that there's something 416 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 4: between them and she for her, it's not. It's more, Oh, 417 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 4: this is a paternal figure. Even though mister Big is 418 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 4: older than hers, it's enough of age difference where it's 419 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 4: sort of like, you know, Speach and Trey type energy. 420 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 3: But I think, you know, I think as I. 421 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 4: Learn and grow and do read books and go to therapy, 422 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 4: what you realize is how you show up in your 423 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 4: romantic relationships is a direct reflection of how you were 424 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 4: loved by your parents. 425 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 3: So true, what you didn't get from your parents you 426 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 3: try to get from your love. 427 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so you have to kind of look at 428 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 4: your parents and ask what was I missing and what 429 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 4: was I getting from you? Because what she says is 430 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 4: very clear in the episode is that her dad had 431 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 4: abandoned her and her mother he was gone, and so 432 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 4: she in a way is looking for a man to validate, 433 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 4: to accept, to be present. 434 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: And I mean, good, you are solving these questions for me. Yes, 435 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: it's so true. I had not thought about this clearly. 436 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 4: I mean it's literally that I just had this conversation 437 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 4: with someone. Wow, they were like, what are they ever 438 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 4: get to carry his dad stuff? I don't really know if 439 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 4: they talked too much about her mother. 440 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 2: No, we didn't, because. 441 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 3: That's on purpose. You want them to exist outside of their. 442 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: Parents, right, And he didn't. 443 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: He felt like when people go to New York City, 444 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: no one ever talks about their their background. You know, 445 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: you're just there, present in the moment, creating whatever. You're 446 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: trying to create your own person, right. And he had 447 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: reminded me at one point that there had been a 448 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: scene that they ended up not using where she had 449 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: in her bedside drawer a little picture of her father 450 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: and she had looked at the picture and closed the 451 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: drawer and they ended up cutting. 452 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 3: It from which the Vogue episode early I think the. 453 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: First season, I want to say, I know I had 454 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: totally forgotten about this. Well, yeah, it's never explained. 455 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 4: Well, I do remember him saying something about that, like saying, 456 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 4: I didn't want to go into the whole parents stuff, 457 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 4: which you know, which I get as because with TV 458 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 4: in the nineties that was always an episode, it was 459 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 4: over here coming to parents, you got to clean up 460 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 4: and who am I dating? And d and so give 461 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 4: you insight more into the characters and so what was 462 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 4: great about which obviously it clearly works because we see 463 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 4: you all as individuals, you know, and now it's about 464 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 4: like what you're starting your own dynasties. In a way, 465 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 4: it's about like who am I going to Mary? What 466 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 4: kid am I going to have? But as we as 467 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 4: just people out here watching it, and what I found, 468 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 4: who I am in relationship is a direct reflection of 469 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 4: what I grew up witnessing or didn't have or what 470 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 4: i'm what I missed. And I'm telling you it's like 471 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 4: the Dad conversation is like who was Carrie? 472 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 3: Who is mister Bradshaw? 473 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 2: I mean, that's so true. 474 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 3: Because that's more important than who is mister Big? 475 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: Definitely, that's so interesting. 476 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: And it's also interesting because people talk about the Aiden 477 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: versus Big obviously they're so so different, and it is 478 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: interesting that she's still I mean when I talked to Sarah, 479 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: Sarah was on the podcast and I said, you know, 480 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: what would you like to share with us insight into this? 481 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: And she also no matter what she says, can't separate, right, 482 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: she has. 483 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 2: Played carry for thirty years or you know it's it's crazy, yeah, 484 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: twenty nine whatever it is. 485 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 3: Wow. 486 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: Wow. But she she explained Big in a super interesting 487 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: way I never thought about. She's right, And I was like, no, 488 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: I'm trying to ask you about. 489 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 2: Carrie, Like, let's talk about Carrie. Why is Carrie one? 490 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: Mister Big? Did you know what I mean? Because she 491 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: said so many interesting things that I would never have 492 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 2: thought of. 493 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: And also, this is what I love about talking to people, 494 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: is that everyone has their own first of all experience 495 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: and second of all thoughts and memories, and you know, knitting. 496 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 2: It all together is super fascinating. 497 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 498 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: But what she The thing I took away from her 499 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: thoughts about carrying Big was that in the initial pilot, 500 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: do you remember I really hated the pilot previous to 501 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: rewatching it. 502 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I know. I always pilots are hard. 503 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 3: Pilots are hard, so hard. 504 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: You've made so many, I mean, do you if you 505 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: ever heard my theory of pilots. My theory of pilots 506 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: is this, a pilot needs to be like seventy five 507 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: percent good, but not one hundred percent good because you 508 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: have to have the elements there, but you don't want 509 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: it to come together too good because if it comes 510 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: together too good, then when the show goes at my. 511 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 4: That's kind of true, do you mean? Yeah, it needs 512 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 4: to have something, needs to be rough around the edges 513 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 4: a little. 514 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: Bit right, to have that that energy the thing. It's 515 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: kind of intangible, but not be all the way there. 516 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 1: That's true, right, And that's how I feel like our 517 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: pilot was fair. But I think the one scene in 518 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: our pilot and when I went back and watched it 519 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,239 Speaker 1: was way better than I remember, because I'm hard on 520 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: my self in my memory. 521 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 2: Whatever. 522 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: But you know the final scene where he drives her 523 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: to keep running into each other, and he drives her 524 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: in that crazy old fashioned town car and she gets 525 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: out and she says to him or whoever, says, have 526 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: you ever been in love? And he says that, and 527 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: the lights are all glistening in the background. She basically 528 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: said that in that moment, the die was cast. 529 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 3: Mmmm, that's good. 530 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: When I was trying to. 531 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: Get her to explain, why'd you put up with all 532 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: the stuff you know you carry? 533 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 3: You know, yes, yes, yeah, she was. 534 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: Just basically saying that the die was cast and that 535 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: she It wasn't necessarily something that. 536 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: Was thought out. It just happened. 537 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I get interesting. I think that's fair. 538 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: I get that too. 539 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 4: But also the I think that thing because I hear 540 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 4: what you're saying. For it, it's an iconic last scene 541 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 4: and it's the beginning of this journey that we had 542 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 4: no idea with last, like you said, almost thirty years. Yeah, 543 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 4: but I think it's also that Casablanca moment. It's that 544 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 4: moment of us falling in love with them. Yeah, and 545 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 4: this sort of like push and pull. And I think 546 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 4: what you learn about TV couples is that they can 547 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 4: never just be happy. 548 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 3: Otherwise you don't have a show totally. You know, that's 549 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 3: why Big had to die totally. 550 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: I know. 551 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 3: They had the house, they. 552 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 4: Had the thing, they figured it out, and now once 553 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 4: you learn the lesson, you go, that's right, and so 554 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 4: now it's a new lesson for her to learn. 555 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. 556 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: This is the other thing I think about Carrie in 557 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: terms of people criticizing her. Is it because she is 558 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: the writer and because she is driving everything and hearing 559 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: her thoughts. Of course she's going to see him self centered. 560 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: You're hearing her thoughts. 561 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 3: But here's the thing. What I love, love, love, love 562 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 3: love about. 563 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 4: Sex and the City is they engage the audience because 564 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 4: she's always asking a question. That's however, I wonder, yeah, 565 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 4: or like, you know, should you stay? 566 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: Look? 567 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 4: And it makes you question she's wondering, and so now 568 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 4: you're wondering get old things quickly? 569 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 3: Or by which am I? Or like do I do this? 570 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 3: Do that? 571 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 4: You know? 572 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 3: And so? And I think, so now what I what 573 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 3: I love? 574 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 4: What I feel like we love Carrie and she very 575 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 4: much is sort of I think of Mary Richards for 576 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 4: her time. 577 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 3: Yes, is that we now are on. 578 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 4: This ride with her right now we're dating with That's 579 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 4: what we're saying, like it should be big, it should 580 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 4: be aid and D and my old lesbian as a 581 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 4: sitting there thinking like who do I want to be? 582 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 3: Am'm mister bigger on my aid and I always wanted 583 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 3: to be. 584 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 4: I want to be yeah, you know, I want to 585 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 4: be the one that's like making furniture, breaking down the wall. 586 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 4: But the sucky thing is is that a lot of 587 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 4: us feel like if you're an aident type, you're probably gonna. 588 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 3: Get cheat on Oh no big, But then. 589 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 4: I also have mister big qualities about myself. I think 590 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 4: I think they say, like, okay, this is a little 591 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 4: bit of a suave energy. 592 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 3: I don't know, but that's like I'm looking. I'm looking 593 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 3: at both of them. 594 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 4: It's like, huh, okay, totally they represent different things. 595 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: Definitely, they represent different things. 596 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about the breakup rules for a second, 597 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: because when you're talking about the question that's there, that's 598 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: her question. Yeah, so this is also so funny to me. 599 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: So in my mind, the pilot was really bad and 600 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: really dark, right, which it is really dark dark, But 601 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: now I look back on it. 602 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: And I love that it's so dark. 603 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool. 604 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: It's different. 605 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: I mean, you can barely see us sometimes, I know 606 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: where are we? 607 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: I know? But then it gets super light. 608 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 2: I know, it really does. 609 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 3: We get more money, right, get a little fancier and. 610 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: Most definitely we had Sarah Jessica told me we had 611 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars for costumes the first season. 612 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: Can you believe I. 613 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 3: Didn't even cover the shoe budget? 614 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: Is no, I know, I know, but that that was 615 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: when we had to get people to lend us stuff, 616 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: you know. 617 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all the way we did it in the beginning? 618 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 3: Do anyway? 619 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: Here we are? This is the second season in my mind. 620 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: I also love season three as we. 621 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 3: I really like seeing three terms of where everything's just 622 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 3: sort of gelling. But she's season two. 623 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 4: But I like season two, the season two opener, because 624 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 4: what's interesting about it is there's an energy of you 625 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 4: guys feel a little confidence. 626 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 3: Yes, there's a confidence in all of it. 627 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 4: Definitely, I think because you guys, oh, we're here for 628 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 4: a second season. 629 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: You feel that way when you're doing a show. 630 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the actors because sometimes you know, if 631 00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 4: I'm the creator, I'm on the opposite side of it. 632 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 4: Actors feel a little bit more settled because in the 633 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 4: first season you're just trying, okay, hopefully get picked up. 634 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 4: You get picked up for a second season, it means 635 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 4: all right, what we did last time didn't work, the 636 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 4: work it works okay, so we're not too bad. And 637 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 4: then now you're like, okay, now we're on these journeys 638 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 4: and who are these people? 639 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 3: Who are these characters? 640 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 4: I feel they're like there, you guys are like it's great, right, 641 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 4: and we. 642 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 2: Have the coffee shop set. 643 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, we actually because like first the first season, you're 644 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: like where are they and like we're in weird places 645 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: along along inide the city. Yeah, it's crazy. So we 646 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: finally got the coffee shop set, which is great, and 647 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: we have a scene that is a coffee shop scene, 648 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: which is the one where Miranda gets about. And Michael 649 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: Patrick wrote this episode and I think that he was 650 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: actually using criticism of the show. 651 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 4: Yes, all you guys do is talking about man, you 652 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 4: can feel that, and yes, and I've been you know, 653 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 4: I've done that too. You write it kind of just 654 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 4: like a run toward it, address it, address it. 655 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 2: Run toward it. Definitely. 656 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: I have the sweater that Cynthia is wearing in that 657 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: scene in my house. Sometimes I would take miranda clothes 658 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: home because you can wear them in normal life. 659 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Right, I know, Miranda's like the real girl. 660 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 3: She's like, I got to be. 661 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: A real normal Yes, as we go anyway, so this 662 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: is the whole, the whole we go out to the 663 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: baseball We're gonna. 664 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: Talk about them a second. 665 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: But the big question, which I love because it does 666 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: come up from Charlotte, where Charlotte says that to get 667 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: over a breakup, it takes half the time of the 668 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: relationship what do you think. 669 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 4: I've always heard that and I always loved that theory. Yeah, 670 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 4: here's the deal. 671 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: I love that. 672 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 4: You know, they're so like classic about it with you, 673 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 4: like you take you, like they gave the number of how. 674 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 3: Long you were with the guy and how long to 675 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 3: get over. 676 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 4: But I mean, if you if you set an intention 677 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 4: for yourself where you're like, okay, dated for somebo three years, all, right, 678 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 4: year and a half someone to give myself. 679 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all going to give myself. 680 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: That's good. 681 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,239 Speaker 4: But some you know, you could date somebody for like 682 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 4: six months and it could be super intense. 683 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 3: Good point, and you might need a little bit longer. 684 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: That's a good point, you know. 685 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 3: So it just all depends because some people can linger 686 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 3: with you. 687 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it just. 688 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 3: Depends on the purpose person. Yeah, some people are easier 689 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 3: to get over than others. 690 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 2: I think that's so true my case. 691 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll keep that. 692 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 2: Yet, we'll keep that, Lena. 693 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: You are dropping the wisdom every which way, and then 694 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: we're just going to have to come back for another episode. 695 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 2: So you guys come back later in the week.