1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: source for the nation's best fantasy speculation and advice. All right, 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: welcome back. Leads to the offseason edition of Fantasy Football 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: Weekly with your host and faithful narrator, John mcgaza, with 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: my friend and yours, mister Jake Troubridge. Jake, what's going on? 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: You know what? Before you get started, me tell you. 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: I think I changed my mind. I think this is 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: my favorite time to draft. We're gonna go over some 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: news articles and the movement, like the immediate reactions and 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: overreactions in the markets are what this is all about. 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: So how are you doing, my friend? 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: I love that, John. 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 3: I am ready for every week for the intro to 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 3: be actually psych This is the time that I'm most excited, 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 3: right up until we actually, I think kick off the season. 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 3: I think every week should get a little bit better 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 3: for you to draft. That is my hope for you anyways, John, 18 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 3: But I do love all the overreaction stuff. 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: Well, especially the way that news goes. You know, what 20 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: happens so fast. 21 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 3: It's yet it happens so fast. People are trying to 22 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 3: still stay in the loop. As far as the NFL 23 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: is concerned. Obviously, outside of the big events we've already had, 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 3: the NFL Draft, training camps haven't started yet. It's kind 25 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 3: of this weird, nebulous space in between where we're trying 26 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 3: to keep up with all this stuff, and people do 27 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: have a tendency to overreact, I think because there's not 28 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 3: always a lot of news, so we cling to whatever 29 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 3: news there is and maybe even overanalyze it. I don't know, 30 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: Maybe let's do some over analyzing today, John, I. 31 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: Mean a backup tight end signs and the world goes 32 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: crazy because, especially right now, it's really best Bowl season 33 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,279 Speaker 1: and that's who's driving the market. As we get closer, 34 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: we're going to talk more and more about redraft that 35 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: will be the focus. But right now the market is 36 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: being set by best bowlers who also contend to overreact. 37 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: But it's not even to beat that word to death. 38 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: It's just there is no price, so markets have to 39 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: do what markets to, which is price fined, and oftentime 40 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: that's a battle, for lack of a better word, between 41 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 1: buyers and sellers. All right, let's get into the news 42 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: that I had some strength of schedule stuff. We'll put 43 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: that off the next week because the news keeps hitting, 44 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: so it starts at the top. Right, at the top 45 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: of the board. Also Bucks running back Bucky Irving. I'm 46 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: gonna read this. This is a quote off social Apparently 47 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: it hasn't been cleared to participate just yet coming off 48 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: shoulder surgery. I'm gonna add this gulp. Time will tell 49 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: if he's able to get cleared in time for OTAs 50 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: or if they have to hold off until training camp 51 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: oc Zach Robinson said, just threw it out there. Kenneth 52 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: Gainwell and Bucky Irving have similar skill sets. Right now, 53 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: Bucky going off in ADP forty four, Jake he missed 54 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: weeks five through twelve. When he returned after that, he 55 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: was the RB twenty seven overall, his replacement right his 56 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: backup Right now, Gainwell going off in ADP one eighty eight. 57 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: From week eleven on last season, he scored seventy and 58 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: a half Fantasy points a game that was the overall 59 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: RB six. Talk to me about the Buck situation and 60 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: the obvious. Are you into Irving? Are you still into Irving? 61 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: Do you like him at dis price or if not, 62 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: at what well? 63 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 3: If everything had stayed the same, meaning personnel had stayed 64 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 3: the same, in Tampa Bay. I would have been willing 65 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: to write off any bad stretches that Bucky had last 66 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 3: year is. 67 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: Just kind of a one off. 68 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 3: Just he's going through it with all the injury stuff, 69 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: and we had some decent games, and that's just kind 70 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 3: of rerack and almost set the clock back to twenty 71 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 3: twenty four with Gainwell signing. 72 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: I was already getting nervous. 73 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: I'm not I wasn't going to be so bold as 74 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: to say that they have the exact same play set, 75 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: Kenneth Gainwell and Bucky Irving. If the coaches are saying that, 76 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: the coordinators are saying that we have to listen to that, 77 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 3: I already think that Kenny Gainwell is significantly better as 78 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: a pure runner and pass catcher than Rashad White at 79 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: this stage in their respective careers. So yeah, I kind 80 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: of made the decision to pivot away from Bucky and 81 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 3: pivot more towards Kenny gain Well. I wonder if that'll 82 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 3: be as easy to do, ironically now that this news 83 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 3: came out, because if Bucky's ADP starts to drop with 84 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 3: this news and Kenny starts to go up, then I 85 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: might not actually get as many shares of Kenny as 86 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: I was hoping to do you. I guess what is 87 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 3: the threshold for you for wanting to draft Kenny Gainwell? 88 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: Because I'm I'm I think I'm gonna do it a 89 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: lot regardless, But what's it gonna take for you? 90 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: Yeah? That news really was very deflating for me because 91 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: I was feeling this already. I was already heading in 92 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: this direction that Bucky might be hampered and was probably 93 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: too expensive at pick forty four, he's going to drop. 94 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: And then conversely, I thought Gainwell was too talented, projecting 95 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: for too much of a workload to be going that 96 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: far back. Those two prices are certainly going to converge, 97 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: right man. Maybe that's the theme of today, is price 98 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: finding in market machinations. The market is gonna tell us 99 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: just where I had a hard time seeing Bucky getting outside, 100 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: let's say the fifth I don't think he's gonna get 101 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: outside of pick sixty unless there's something definitive on the 102 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,799 Speaker 1: other side. There's a lot more room in my opinion. 103 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I said it's won eighteen. To be clear 104 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: for Gainwell, I think I might have come off as 105 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: one eighty. It's one eighteen, but still there's still a 106 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: lot of room for him to run and meet. The 107 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: reason I say that, Jake is because just kind of 108 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: with one v one replacements, there are other backups, you know, 109 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: in that range, So let's start to put some names 110 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: to it. Blake Korum is a backup and a good one, right, 111 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: He's a pick ninety six. JK. Dobbins, the same Chris 112 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: Rodriguez we spoke about last week at pick one ten. 113 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: So just kind of trying to archetype Gainwell into a spot. 114 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: I think that's where it is. I think he's gonna 115 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: wind up jumping about two rounds into those firm backups. 116 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: And he even jumped in because Koram is likely not 117 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: going to project strongly for week one where Gainwell without Irving, 118 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: let's say Irving has a little setback or you know, 119 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: they're dragging us along, he doesn't get the reps in needs. 120 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: If he's the start of week one, he's gonna project 121 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: as a running back one. So what do you think 122 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: about those new prices? Let me set Irving at sixty, 123 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: Gainwell at ninety. Talk to me about the new prices. 124 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 3: I'd rather still go with Gainwell over that list of 125 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: guys that you talked about, So I think we are 126 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 3: finding not yet my ceiling, Like I could probably go 127 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: another round higher if I'm being honest, just because I've 128 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: I love the talent of Kenny Gainwall. Obviously, we saw 129 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 3: him have a career year last year with the Steelers. 130 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: And he's on a better offense now. 131 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 3: So yeah, there's still a lot of wishy washiness with 132 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 3: the injury stuff. We're not doctors here, but we're listening 133 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 3: to people who seem to know what they're talking about 134 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: with this stuff. It's funny that you mentioned Blake Korham 135 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: because I was just talking to somebody the other day 136 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 3: about how I am very skeptical of the reports coming 137 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 3: out from the RAMS facilities that oh, actually it's going 138 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 3: to be more of a fifty to fifty split this year. 139 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: With Kyrin and Blake Krum we've heard that. We've heard 140 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: that so many times before, But with Gainwell, I could 141 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: actually see that being legitimate. 142 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: If these guys are even both healthy. 143 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: Well, I would have run with that. We've heard this before. 144 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: That's an actual segue. What a great setup. We're gonna 145 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: stick with the Bucks, even though this next piece of 146 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: news is not as impactful atop the board, as let's say, 147 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: Irving as some of the other guys we're going to 148 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: talk about. But since we're in Tampa and it was 149 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: taking over my social media feed, and maybe because it 150 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: bugged me a little bit or I just was interested, 151 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk out of Tampa in the 152 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: wide receiver room, and a lot coming out from Zach 153 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: Robinson about how that might shake out. We talk about 154 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: a Mecca a Google last year where I think was 155 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: really good for a rookie campaign. I think he was 156 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: especially good without Evans, who has now moved on. I 157 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: wasn't really worried at all about at Buka to the 158 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: point I was really even into Jalen McMillan, who shown 159 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: quite a bit of success in smaller samples when given 160 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: the chance, And you would just think without Evans, everybody 161 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: kind of gets a little bit more playing time. But 162 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: now Robinson is saying that Ted Hurst, the rookie they drafted, 163 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: I believe it's the third round at the end that 164 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: he's the true ex right, So I'm doing air quotes 165 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: and this is what took off on social media. Now, 166 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: of course we all know you want to watch the 167 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: whole clip and I did, and I didn't get that 168 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: scene feeling from the clip because some of it was 169 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: Remember the NFL is really hard and takes a lot 170 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: of time. Hurst is. This is an actual quote, verbatim. 171 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: Hurst is coming out of small school Georgia State, which 172 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: probably means there's an acclamation period involved. The second I 173 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: heard that, I was like, I am loving this. Let 174 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: everybody push up Hurst, let everybody push down McMillan, and 175 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: you could grab them both. And in these best ball scenarios, 176 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: a late Tampa stack which is already kind of high octane, 177 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: already has the coordinator and the quarterback in place to 178 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: do some damage. I'm fine with all that movement. Again, 179 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: I'm fine with Hurst moving up because he's have to 180 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: pick two hundred. I'm fine with McMillan moving back. So 181 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: talk to me one about I don't know what you 182 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: think about this situation. And then maybe even these like 183 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: coach speak, you know, quotes and how people run with 184 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: them more in general, Well. 185 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 3: It is the time of year for that, so we 186 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: should put out a general warning to people. Remember, just 187 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 3: because a coach says something doesn't even mean that they 188 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: believe it or that it will Yeah, so with that 189 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: out of the way. First of all, Yeah, I would 190 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 3: not worried about a Mecca a Buca. I was never 191 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 3: worried about a Mecca a Buka. He had a great 192 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 3: rookie year. It would have been even better if he 193 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 3: wasn't injured. But stuff happens. It is what it is. 194 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: What I liked about this season without Mike Evans gonna 195 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: be there for the training camp is that it sets 196 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: a precedent at training camp we do not have Mike Evans. 197 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: We can plan. 198 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 3: Accordingly to not have Mike Evans, unlike last year where 199 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 3: he was just suddenly not there. That's always worse for 200 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 3: all of the receivers involved. So Abuka is gonna be great. 201 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 3: Hurst is not going to fill the quote unquote Mike 202 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: Evans role, not this year, not anytime soon, probably not ever, 203 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: because he is not Mike Evans. With Jalen McMillan, I 204 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 3: do like what you're talking about with his ADP dropping though, 205 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: because if he's gonna be out there in three wide 206 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 3: receiver sets, which he should be, and Chris Godwin happens 207 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 3: to get injured, which he's been known to do, suddenly 208 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: he's going to end up with a bigger workload, more 209 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 3: of a target share than we had imagined. So I 210 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 3: like all these guys. I'm fine grabbing Hurst in Dynasty. 211 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 3: I'm not really about Ted Hurst this year. It's always 212 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: tough with rookie wide receivers. It's accepttionally tough with a 213 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 3: rookie wide receiver, as they were saying in that report, 214 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 3: that has to come in from. 215 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: A smaller school. 216 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 3: As great as he's been ascending the ranks, it's gonna 217 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 3: take some time for him. 218 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, this in particular happens every year. What do you 219 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: want him to say about the guy? Oh no, he 220 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: looks kind of slow and maybe he's on the stupid side. 221 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: That's never gonna happen. He's looking to build these guys up, 222 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: and you know, and I think he does believe it. 223 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: But he also couched it with all the usual stuff. 224 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: The NFL is hard. There's gonna be hiccups. Two steps forward, 225 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: one step back, people take And the quote that ran 226 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: on social media was quite literally true. X That was 227 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: the only part of the you know, three minute block 228 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: quote that made it to social media, and that was 229 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: enough for people to run wild. I already saw hers 230 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: going like two or three rounds earlier. Just this morning, 231 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: I was knocking out a couple drafts before we move on. 232 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: I did have a note on McMillan because I remember 233 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: him really being great. Now, the injuries are a thing 234 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: we can't victim, so I'm not gonna try. During twenty 235 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: twenty four, he had a five game run in a 236 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: full time role. You know, he's an outside receiver. You're 237 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: generally running three quarters of his routes outside. So the 238 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: five game stint between week fourteen and eighteen, he went 239 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: twenty four, three, sixteen and seven. 240 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: He was the. 241 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: Overall wide receiver eight. He was a beast lansterer. Again, 242 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: it was limited and crowded, so in limited work and 243 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: it was crowded, I actually didn't think as a you know, 244 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: a projector and a better or a prop better and 245 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: all that stuff. I didn't think he was really going 246 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: to make an impact. And he had an eighteen percent 247 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: target per route run and more than two yards per 248 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: rout run. These are the numbers that we look for 249 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: that stick that matter. So ident to think McMillan is 250 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: going to at least earn a look, get that look, 251 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: I think he'll succeed. But it picked one forty three 252 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: and two hundred, respectively. You could draft them both, so right, 253 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: why not both? Dot Jiff? Now onto the next news 254 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: and note Jake, this is the backup tight end that 255 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: I was mentioning all. I want to kick it to 256 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: you enough out of me. Charges agreed to terms with 257 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: David and Joku on a one year deal worth up 258 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: to eight million dollars. There's a lot here, dadstand the 259 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: Chargers in general taken away. 260 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad that David n Joku's getting another chance. 261 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I did feel bad for the guy. It 262 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 3: was kind of a rough go last year. It was 263 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 3: the injury, or maybe it wasn't the injury that had 264 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 3: him getting leap frogged by a rookie tight end, Harold 265 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 3: Fanna Junior. We don't know for sure, but it's nice 266 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 3: to see him go to a tight end friendly scheme 267 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: or what I suspect to be one, because Mike McDaniel 268 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 3: has made a lot of kind of middling tight ends 269 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 3: look pretty good, at least for fantasy purposes. It was 270 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 3: just a couple of years ago he had twenty nine 271 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 3: year old John hu smith Win in folks some leagues, 272 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 3: and you know, last year he had the ghost of 273 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 3: Darren Waller looking like Casper the fantasy friendly tight end 274 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 3: for a handful of weeks. So if somebody can get 275 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 3: the best out of Njoku, I do think it's him. 276 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 3: But I'm not willing to throw around a Gadsten off 277 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 3: the boat either. I'm not pushing him into the water 278 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 3: because I can't say John that in Jok, who's going 279 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 3: to be better this year for sure than Gadson is 280 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 3: Gadsden a looked pretty solid flashed at least last year 281 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: in that offense. Again, I think the offense steps forward 282 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 3: and wants youth and speed with Mike McDaniel, those are 283 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 3: not two things associated with David and Joku at this point. 284 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 3: And in Joku just he just has a habit of 285 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 3: getting hurt. I never want to say that a guy 286 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 3: is definitely gonna get hurt. But when's the last time 287 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 3: that he was fully healthy for a season. I can't 288 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 3: remember it. So yeah, I just don't want people to 289 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: throw Gadsden out with the bathwater because of this news. 290 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 3: I might dabble with a little bit of each of 291 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: these guys, depending on their ADP's John. 292 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm stuck. I'm worried. I'm worried, and 293 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: usually when I'm worried about tight end splitting, I think 294 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm out. Now. You make an interesting point with McDaniel 295 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: and him maximizing talent for a tight end. The thing 296 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: is none of those schemes wherever multiple tight ends. So 297 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: I'll concede we don't know what the offense is going 298 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: to look like, which would be your only pathway to 299 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: having both of them matter is a change. Last year, 300 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: Chargers sixteen percent two tight end sets or more was 301 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: actually dead last The next team was twenty one percent, 302 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: and that was Miami, where McDaniel just was. So it's 303 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: not to see that whoever is out there won't be 304 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: doing really well. I just don't know if it can 305 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: support both of them. I think Herbert is the type 306 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: of guy we just would need a big schematic change. 307 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: So I had Gaston up and down season last year. 308 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: He's going off at ADP one point thirty two, which 309 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: felt totally fair before the n Joku thing. If you're 310 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: not worried at all, and I think he keep going 311 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: because he's probably gonna drop between weeks. He still had 312 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: a late start last year, so this is weeks three 313 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: through nine, Gatson scored twelve and a half Fantasy points 314 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: a game. That was good for the tight end six. Right, 315 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: that's the good. That's what people are hoping to get 316 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: more of. However, from Week ten on he was the 317 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,239 Speaker 1: tight end thirty and kind of disappeared. Now the Chargers 318 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: lost their entire offensive line and really had to kind 319 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: of build a boat in the middle of the ocean. 320 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: So maybe that's a bit of a throwaway. But that 321 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: plus end joke, who is a little bit of a 322 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: worry guy's of physical beat six four to forty six 323 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: runs a four to six forty and he was the 324 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: tight end eleven in twenty twenty four. So this is 325 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: not Jake. I don't know, man, this veteran guy, you know, 326 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: Anthony Goazalez coming out of retirement or something. Twenty twenty 327 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: four he was a tight end one, and week seven 328 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: through fourteen in that same season he had over sixteen 329 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: Fantasy points a game. He was the overall tight end four, 330 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: tied with McBride. So I'm just worried if Njoku is 331 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: healthy that he could eat into it. I think I 332 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: want to know. One more thing I was hoping would 333 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: come up is one of the points that I've heard 334 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: made by sharp analyst is that in Joku just maybe dusted. 335 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: Everybody else had a chance at this guy. They all 336 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: see the seam stats that I was just repeating to. 337 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: None of this is discovered newly. So what do you 338 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: think about that? What do you think about the general 339 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: collective market? Like, I guess this is kind of wisdom 340 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: of the crowd stuff. All the gms had a crack 341 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: at him, and he ended up as the backup on 342 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: a team that already had a tight end. So do 343 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: you think maybe we should just be looking past in 344 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: Joku and if you're a Gaston supporter, let him drop around, 345 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: then keep scooping him. 346 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think that Injoku was so good and 347 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 3: such a hey we have to go out and get 348 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 3: this player immediately. He wasn't a first wave of free 349 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 3: agency guy. I do think it was just a timing 350 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 3: thing for me of like, hey, it's the NFL Draft, 351 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 3: let's see who he can get for tight ends in 352 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 3: the draft. Sixteen of the thirty two NFL teams took 353 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 3: at least one tight end in the draft this year, 354 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 3: and they're probably just thinking, hey, let's wait it out 355 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 3: and see how those cards fall before anybody makes a move. 356 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 3: To be fair, I would have liked to see him 357 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 3: sign like literally the day after the NFL Draft, and 358 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 3: that didn't happen, So it's a bummer. I don't like 359 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: to jump on the he's dusted boat until I've fully 360 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 3: seen it sink. And as of right now, I still 361 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 3: have some hope. But that's it. It's only hope. 362 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. I would have trepidation at cost for Gaston, but again, 363 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: this is one of those other price finding situations. Gatson 364 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: is going to move with the Joku lose, He's going 365 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: to move. It's just a matter of how much, And 366 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: you know that's what markets do. I think it'll be 367 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: at least around I think if he starts to crack 368 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: the one fifty range, even myself, who's admittedly kind of 369 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: bearish on it, if you're looking to put together a 370 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: two or three tight end group, to me, he feels 371 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: like a pretty strong part of that. Let me take 372 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: a breather and shuffle some notes. I don't want to 373 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: get to the last end. All right, let's pick it 374 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: up right here, Jake with Aaron Rodgers. This is not 375 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: necessarily the news we thought was gonna happen. Aaron Rodgers 376 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: was supposed to visit with the steel of some of 377 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: the weekend the we're't supposed to be doing a lot 378 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: of heavy lifting here. That meeting never happened. So I 379 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: don't know. We're getting pretty close to the season, you know, 380 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: repetitions matter. They brought in Pittman. I mean, is it 381 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: really even fair to these guys to not have no 382 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: who's gonna be throwing to the ball or at least 383 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: be practicing with him? Again, I was always a big 384 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers guy. This whole shtick I'm getting is getting 385 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: a little old for me because because he's discarding the 386 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: things that matter between the lines. I'm fine with you 387 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: being a yo yo outside of the lines, providing you're 388 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: taking care of your business and treating it seriously, and 389 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: that I don't think he's doing. Either do your business 390 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: or get off the pot. Let us know, because if not, 391 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: are they going to go to Mason Rolff. So again 392 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: it is my question to you, mister Trobridge, is a 393 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: Rogers to the Steelers a formality? Is it already a 394 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: foregone conclusion? And it's so, will they really begin the 395 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: season with Mason Rudolph? 396 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 3: I don't know why it has to be a foregone conclusion. 397 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 3: Why why have the Steelers dugged themselves into the most 398 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 3: avoidable hole and then instead of just throwing the shovel 399 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 3: to the side and pick it up the ladder, they're like, Nope, 400 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 3: we're gonna keep digging in the hopes that eventually we 401 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 3: come out on the other side. That's childish logic. Stop 402 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 3: letting this guy do this to you. He's not good 403 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: enough to warrant this. That's the thing. If this was 404 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 3: prime Aaron Rodgers, I get it, because your hopes of 405 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 3: a Super Bowl hinge on this player. Potentially they don't now. 406 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 3: In fact, Rogers stats last year were bad when you 407 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 3: look at him, and they could have looked even worse 408 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 3: if his pass catchers weren't bailing him out. I mean, 409 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 3: you had one of the lowest success rates in the league, 410 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 3: one of the lowest yards per pass attempt, He was 411 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 3: top ten in bad throw percentage, he was below average 412 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 3: on on target percentage. And it looks better because his 413 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 3: pass catchers A led the league and yards after the 414 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 3: catch per attempt, and B had a pretty low drop 415 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 3: percentage as a group. Obviously, a quarterback affects that stat 416 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 3: to some extent, but it's just it's not worth it. 417 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 3: I really think John that the fantasy pieces in Pittsburgh 418 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 3: would be better off at this point with any of 419 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 3: the current quarterbacks on that roster. I mean, DK Metcalf 420 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 3: had the fewest yards per game since his rookie year 421 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 3: with Rogers last season. I don't see him being a 422 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 3: necessarily big upgrade from even Will Howard, the rookie they 423 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 3: drafted last year, Drew Aller, the rookie they took this. 424 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 2: Year in the third round. You're not going to the 425 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 2: super Bowl. 426 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 3: At least see what you have in these quarterbacks and 427 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 3: just have them chuck the ball a bunch will be 428 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 3: fine for fantasy. 429 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 2: If that's the case. 430 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 3: I'd rather have a rookie going out there just almost 431 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 3: fending for his future throwing the ball to these guys, 432 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 3: then Dusty old Aaron Rodgers just trying not get to 433 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 3: get sacked every play. 434 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: How about that? Allur news. You must unlearn what you 435 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: have learned. They went full Yoda on the poor guy. 436 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: I mean, and if not, you're getting Rudolph I don't know, 437 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: negative epa p attempt on his career six point seven 438 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: YPA and then to Rogers, he's slow. He was, he 439 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: was inefficient, slow, and he doesn't run, which is a 440 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: nightmare for fantasy and it's also a nightmare for real football. 441 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,719 Speaker 1: So I don't know why they'd even be interested. All right, 442 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: let's move it on now. This one mattered a bit more. 443 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: And man, I'm a little glad I didn't get so 444 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: aggressive in my drafting early because I'm a huge Malik 445 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: Knighbors Stan He's underwent a second surgery on his knee 446 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: to remove scar tissue causing stiffness, rut row, shaggy. The 447 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: second surgery took place a few weeks ago, described as 448 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: a cleanup. These are all the oh the fagazy terms. 449 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: They try and get us to think like he's gonna 450 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: be fine. It's not expected to impact the top. He 451 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: had surgery, but it's not expected to impact the timeline. 452 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: So this was a magical surgery. Everybody not, no worries, 453 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: don't worry. I mean, this is ridiculous, right, I think 454 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: you can't draft Neighbors where he's going at ADP nineteen. 455 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: I saw some other sharp sites have him in the 456 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: late twenties, early thirties. I would need to see him 457 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: probably in the fourth round, and even then, I've had 458 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: a bad recent history Jake with lower body injuries and 459 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: expecting like full and immediate recoveries. Mark Andrews comes to mind, 460 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: Tony Pollard comes to mind. Kark Cousins come to mind. 461 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: The old guys that are good football players had lower 462 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: body injuries back half of a season and we just 463 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: expect him to not it not matter. So what do 464 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: you think about, neighbors? Do you think, like I guess 465 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: set the bar right? Where should where should be taken? 466 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: For me, it's maybe round four. He's never gonna make 467 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: it round five, dybe it's four. I don't know. 468 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's too good of a receiver to have him fall. 469 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: I would say out of the back of the third round. 470 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 3: I think he's gonna fit up planting there for right now. 471 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 3: As the season goes on, if we keep getting these pushbacks, 472 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 3: and if they keeps using the word hope, like if 473 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 3: we get two months out from now and they're still 474 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 3: hoping he'll be ready for the opener, that's when the 475 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 3: panics which really gets pulled. Like I can deal with 476 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 3: hope in February, March, and even a little bit in May, 477 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 3: but at a certain point, like you got to know 478 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 3: what's happening with your guy. The thing that makes it 479 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 3: hard to look away from Alik Williams a neighbor. Excuse me, 480 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: my league neighbor's entirely, entirely is looking at the depth 481 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 3: chart behind him, because I'm like, well, who can I 482 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 3: pivot to to take advantage of on this offense? 483 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: I don't think that person exists. 484 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 3: Darnel Mooney, Okay, I guess we'll see how high his 485 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 3: ADP climbs. Maybe he can be respectable. Maybe the tight 486 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 3: ends I start to get more interested in. Maybe Isaiah 487 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 3: likely becomes an even more permanent fixture of my rosters. 488 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 3: But it's I think it's you're saying, if he misses 489 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 3: a game or two, my lak neighbors isn't ready for 490 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 3: week one. I'm still okay, i'lso draft him. It's when 491 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 3: we start to talk about three and four games missed 492 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 3: that that line gets pushed. If you miss four games, 493 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 3: and if we know that or have a pretty good 494 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 3: idea that that's gonna happen, I tend to just be 495 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 3: out on those players. 496 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 2: Do you have that similar cutoff at all? 497 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: John? Yeah? I injuries find me they tend to find 498 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: all of us I try to invite them, especially at 499 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: a premium. So to me, this is a perfect storm 500 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: of thanks but no thanks, you know, especially in the 501 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: top thirty six. Like you mentioned you, I'll let him 502 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: beat me at that point. If we get into the 503 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: forties and especially the late forties, I could see pulling 504 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: the trigger, because he absolutely is a difference maker, absolutely 505 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: is a different maker. The subsequent piece is that's really interesting. 506 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: I think you and Irison Pataco, I think likely is 507 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: probably the answer. The thing is Darius Slayton, who really 508 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: is just a vertical kind of field stretcher adp. Two fifteen. 509 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: He just had core surgery a couple of weeks ago. 510 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: But don't worry. He's fine. It didn't matter. It doesn't matter. 511 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: Apparently surgery is, you know, don't matter here in New York. 512 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: Maybe I should go get something surgeried because it doesn't matter. 513 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: You know, you could just go and play professional football 514 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: at the highest level. So I know the core stuff 515 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: is not necessarily like an ACL, but it's not encouraging 516 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: and it's not like he even produced in the sample 517 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: you mentioned Mooney, who again I have to admit stepping 518 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: on a rake. It just felt intuitive. I said, oh, 519 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: don't Old Mooney is a he's a wide receiver, and 520 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: like he's got to be good. Right. He had zero 521 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: top thirty two weeks last year. He was not a 522 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: top thirty two wide receiver, not once. And I get 523 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: part of that is scripting, but a lot of times 524 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: you could earn your way to one. Right, if you 525 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: had one matchup that got exploited, you should land somewhere 526 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: in there. So Moony not really looking like a great 527 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: pick at cost, I still could absolutely see going there. 528 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: I just again with my own recent struggles. I like 529 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: the draft guys that I think are really good at football, 530 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: you know. I like the draft guys that I think, Yeah, 531 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: but you know what, I'm a huh for playing time 532 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: and right we get that projectable volume. And I was 533 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: talking about that there's a point where it has like 534 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: a ceiling baked in that even at a certain cost, 535 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: is just not worth it because the other players that 536 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: the risk reward ratio could really pop. These last drafts, 537 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: I've noticed I'd much rather have any of the direct 538 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: RB rookie handcuffs than any of these kind of dusty whiteouts. 539 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: I'd rather get them in the mid round. So I 540 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: think I'm with you on likely. Maybe it'll be interesting 541 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: to see if they go with a two tight end deployment. 542 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. Miami Dolphins did the right thing. They 543 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: agreed to a four year extension sixty eight million with 544 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: Devin h Chan, who's the NFL's third highest paid running 545 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: back at seventeen million per year. Well deserved, he is 546 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: the man. I don't know if that really changes anything. 547 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: I guess maybe if we were worried whether or not 548 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: they would run him into the ground, now we have 549 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: our answer. I guess he's going off at ADP fourteen. 550 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: I was already drafting him aggressively despite maybe my systemic worries. 551 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: He's a line for a million touches. So does anything 552 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: change for you in Miami. 553 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 3: I'm actually a little surprised to hear you say that 554 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 3: it doesn't change anything for you, because I maybe it's 555 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: because i'd been a little bit leery about a Chan 556 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 3: with the complete overhaul of that team, you know, new GM, 557 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 3: new coaching staff, all that stuff. And yes, we can 558 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 3: look at the talent of Achan and assume that he 559 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 3: will continue to be used the same way that he 560 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: has been the last couple of years, but it's never 561 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 3: a given. So this is actually a nice kind of 562 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: firming up thing for me to say, Okay, they believe 563 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 3: in him, They're not going to try to shoehorn too 564 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 3: much Ali Gordon or Jalen Wright or whoever else into 565 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 3: this mix. Like you've dedicated, You've been committed to a 566 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 3: Chan here, and I'm trying to remember the last time 567 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 3: that a team committed this hard to a running back 568 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 3: being the engine of an offense. 569 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: Like contract wise. 570 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 3: With CMC and Zeke Elliott, you know, they got those 571 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,239 Speaker 3: levels of commitment. He has had a little bit more 572 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: proving quarterbacks in their quarter at the time that that happened. 573 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 3: So he's kind of the only guy. Even Malik Willis's 574 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 3: contract is not that hefty. It's not as high as 575 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 3: we maybe thought it was going to be once he 576 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: started to pop off. So it's a tiebreaker for me 577 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 3: for sure. 578 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: Like at his. 579 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 3: ADP, there have been some guys where I've been wanting 580 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: to take Ashton Gentzy over him, and now i think 581 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 3: I'm back on eight Chan over genty. 582 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's fine. Genty would be what we mentioned 583 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: last week. He's one of the players. I'm kind of 584 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: fine mix with a Chan because I think you know, 585 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: fantasy outcome wise, they're both very similar, both having a 586 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: pathway to quite literally being the number one player in 587 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: the game right when a little bit of blocking, they 588 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: can catch the ball and if their team winds up 589 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: in the green zone and off, both those guys could 590 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: be great. I'm definitely taking a Chan over I got 591 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: like Barkley, and not that I think Barkley is bad 592 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: back to what I was saying, but I think I 593 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: want running backs on the upswing right, I'd like I 594 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: want to catch the great season. I don't want to 595 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: chase the great season. And again, Barkley could surprise us 596 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: and pop again. I think the best is in the 597 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: rear view. Last piece of news before we get out 598 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: of here. This one kind of got dropped to me 599 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: a little bit, and it's certain to have some effect 600 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: in the drafting market. Minnesota Vikings go out and sign 601 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: Juwan Jennings to a one year deal. So, man, we 602 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: saw Jennings produce when pepper. He's also known very well 603 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: around the league for his blocking abilities. Very few wide 604 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: receivers are as physical and the reason I mentioned now 605 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: that we don't get points for that, but we kind 606 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: of do because that's how you earn playing time. You 607 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: want to earn playing time in the NFL, you give 608 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: full effort and actually block for runners. The reason I 609 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: mentioned this is I was a little high or getting 610 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: high on Jordan Addison, and I'm a little bit worried 611 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: giving the quarterback situation or lack thereof, that we're not 612 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: going to be able to sustain Jefferson with Jennings and 613 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: Addison that now is starting to feel a little bit 614 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: rich there. So Addison to pick eighty five, I am 615 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: probably one hundred percent out. He would have to move 616 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: at least another round. Jennings at one forty five I 617 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: already drafted this morning because he felt it at ADP. 618 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: I got him at like one twenty five. So I 619 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: think we have another conversions. Talk to me about the 620 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: Vikings pass catching room and maybe what that does for you. 621 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 3: If anything, it solidifies my notion that I want to 622 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 3: go all in on Justin Jefferson this year for a 623 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 3: bounce back. I'd already been feeling that way. I felt 624 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 3: like he's nobody's really quarterback proof as we saw last year, 625 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 3: but he is still kind of the closest thing to it, 626 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 3: and with Kyler Murray, assuming that he actually wins the job, 627 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 3: the one thing that Kyler does is he targets his 628 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 3: number one guy. Whether it's a wide receiver or a 629 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 3: tight end whoever, he will force feed that guy. So 630 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 3: I'm actually happy to not have to even think about 631 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 3: Jordan Addison. I'm not gonna think about Juwan Jennings. Those 632 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 3: guys just kind of cancel each other out. It's not 633 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 3: that they can't give you spike weeks, but like Juwan 634 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 3: Jennings only had three games last year with more than 635 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 3: fifty five yards. You know, that's not something that's super 636 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 3: attractive unless you are sure he's gonna get more targets, 637 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 3: and I don't think he will with Justin Jefferson being there. 638 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna go really hard and hope that 639 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 3: this news suppresses Justin Jefferson just a tiny bit as 640 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 3: well as we get closer to the season. 641 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that spike that I'd mentioned from Jennings 642 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: really was more a function of injury and force feeding 643 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: volume opposed to earning targets. I think I think Addison's 644 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: probably a better target earner than Jennings. But that doesn't 645 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: mean I don't think Jennings more of a prototypical outside 646 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: guy is again going to earn playing time, and no 647 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: one is bumping J Jeff out of the way. So 648 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: I'm and the more I talk about this, the more 649 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: bearish I'll be coming on Addison. He could fall to 650 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: a point where I'm into a Viking stack, but then again, 651 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: it takes me back to the quarterback situation, so I'm 652 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: probably out of those guys. I like the Jefferson take, 653 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: and it's funny you mentioned it because these kind of 654 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, noos drops can impact guys in the first round, 655 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: where it's just important to stay relative people. Obviously, a 656 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: first round pick is can't move up three rounds, but 657 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: a first round pick moving back two picks or three 658 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: picks is kind of a big deal. And we've been 659 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: talking about this, Jake, our approach to the one to 660 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: the first two rounds and trying to find balance. You know, 661 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: if I compare Jefferson with a one of those second 662 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: round running backs that we like, man, I'm feeling very 663 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: I'm feeling very good about a J Jeff ken walk 664 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: Star J Jeff and a Chen or any of those guys. 665 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: So man, that was really nice. So Jake, appreciate your 666 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: time as always on this lovely Friday. So that'll do it. 667 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: From John Lagaza and Jake Trowbridge here at Fantasy Football Weekly, 668 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate everybody you know well, like and review with 669 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: all that stuff, hit us up on social media and 670 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: enjoy your weekend.