Speaker 1: Hi you guys, it's art. Oh my goodness. We saved
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Speaker 1: episode of filling Thorny is our Secretary of State. Paget Brewster. Anna,
Speaker 1: this episode is fascinating. It was fascinating to hear from
Speaker 1: Paget and get to know her more. We went to
Speaker 1: the same high school and we tell a crazy story
Speaker 1: about our art teacher that allowed nude models. And I've
Speaker 1: never met somebody in Los Angeles. I've done this a
Speaker 1: long time. I've never met somebody that actually almost like
Speaker 1: a nineteen fifties old fashioned movie star where they're like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make you a star kid, Like she literally
Speaker 1: is the only person I know that Hollywood just decided
Speaker 1: they went out of their way to make her a star.
Speaker 1: And it was fascinating to talk to her. Tanna, what
Speaker 1: did you think that's I mean, it makes sense because
Speaker 1: Paget is a star and everything about her like I
Speaker 1: I mean, I was somewhat not surprised. I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: makes sense. She was this beautiful young woman. She was
Speaker 1: Hollywood was dying for a Paget Brewster. Yes, and Hollywood
Speaker 1: was like, we know there's not gonna be another one,
Speaker 1: like this is it? And um, you know, We've got
Speaker 1: in some really great responses. I love that people are
Speaker 1: enjoying the feeling thorny episodes. Um, they're a little more look,
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Speaker 1: you come to our party, our book release party, um,
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Speaker 1: in the clubhouse today. She's looking so cute in her
Speaker 1: winter where she's showing up looking so cute in her
Speaker 1: jeans that cannot possibly be right? A jeans? There they are?
Speaker 1: They can not? No, awesomely they right. Ladies and gentlemen.
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Speaker 1: from Thrilling Adventure Hour. I know her as my friends
Speaker 1: Secretary of State Pageant Proston. Are you now? For those
Speaker 1: of you out there who are like, wait, what is this?
Speaker 1: For those of you who don't know, I have a
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Speaker 1: um So Paget Brewster, Hello, welcome you, and I first
Speaker 1: of all, you're you. Are you wearing adorable jeans? You
Speaker 1: say they're always from these are right age Jaggings? How
Speaker 1: much do they cause? I think there are sevent Can
Speaker 1: you stand up for one? Can I look at these?
Speaker 1: Do you only wear right A jeans? They're so I
Speaker 1: get the nice ones now look fake pocket, fake pocket,
Speaker 1: fake fly, real pocket pocket, and they are so cute
Speaker 1: they're just comfy. How many pairs do you on? Um?
Speaker 1: I have three of these? Because I did? I did?
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes I stay in them and now I'm
Speaker 1: old and wealthy enough to donate those and get a
Speaker 1: new pair. Do they come in like a box on
Speaker 1: a hanger, so it's like a plastic hanger and a
Speaker 1: piece of cardboard around it. Like tights are called right
Speaker 1: age jagging their right A brand. Well, no, they're not
Speaker 1: right A brand. They might be no nonsense. I want
Speaker 1: to say, okay, by no non that's what I only
Speaker 1: wear no nonsense socks. They're the best, so they're great.
Speaker 1: I also got to tell you, staring at your beautiful lashes,
Speaker 1: that you told me to get um and I had
Speaker 1: to have it shipped to New York to my brothers,
Speaker 1: and I did, and I went and got my hands
Speaker 1: on it, and my I've I've got lots of compliments
Speaker 1: my lashes. Now, I'm I'm a little worse for the
Speaker 1: where today, but they've got they they have gotten longer.
Speaker 1: You're gotten longer, got longer. I mean, how long do
Speaker 1: you do it? Every day? I do it every day.
Speaker 1: I haven't done it every day. Well, they say you
Speaker 1: can do it every other day, and there are days
Speaker 1: when I forget, so it probably equals out to every
Speaker 1: other I gotta start doing it every day. But but
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I've been noticing that they're curling because
Speaker 1: I'm falling asleep on there so long that I'm falling
Speaker 1: asleep on them, and then they're curling. So some of
Speaker 1: them are straight, and then some of them are curling.
Speaker 1: So it is definitely a process. How sure were they
Speaker 1: to begin with? I don't remember. Honestly, I've been doing
Speaker 1: this ten years. I'm gonna do it. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Did it happen right away or did to take a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks? For me, it took nothing, happened for
Speaker 1: two weeks, and then I woke up and they were long.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I'm prone to getting sties, so I when
Speaker 1: I've noticed my I keep threatening to grow a sty.
Speaker 1: So I haven't been doing it every day. No, no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you should be careful. Yes, So I'm prone to my
Speaker 1: Eyelid loves to grow a sty So I'm sort of
Speaker 1: would say I've been inconsistent with it, but but it's
Speaker 1: then do it, then don't then do exactly what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Been in consistent, but it's been working, okay, Paget, First
Speaker 1: of all, such a treat, such a joy to get
Speaker 1: to know you on the podcast. Can I say, because
Speaker 1: I've known you for a long time, but actually so
Speaker 1: nice to get to know you. And here's what's interesting.
Speaker 1: Paget grew up so we talked about in the eron
Speaker 1: fully episode will air Pagett's after like I got shipped
Speaker 1: away to boarding school because my town didn't have a
Speaker 1: high school. And Paget grew up on the campus and
Speaker 1: went to the school. What building did you grow up in?
Speaker 1: I grew up in clay House, So this was in
Speaker 1: Conquered Restachusetts. It's a school of three people in the woods.
Speaker 1: My mother to out a mortgage, like a third mortgage
Speaker 1: to send us. She said she was going to run
Speaker 1: out of money for college, which she did. She was like,
Speaker 1: you need to get a good education. I didn't get
Speaker 1: a good education. I'm sending you to boarding school. Um,
Speaker 1: you grew up in Clayhouse. That was a boys dorm.
Speaker 1: It was a boy's nerdy person. It was at the
Speaker 1: science boys dorm, I think so, yeah, because the science
Speaker 1: teacher was the other apartment in the dorm. What was
Speaker 1: it like growing up on the campus of a New
Speaker 1: England boardings H Well, I mean it was fantastic, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it was my brother and I and all of
Speaker 1: the other faculty kids. There were a bunch of kids,
Speaker 1: our ages. We were in a completely safe environment. Truly,
Speaker 1: the prettiest that movie School Tie, It's so beautiful. It's
Speaker 1: like a perfect campus. Around the circle in the woods
Speaker 1: near Walden there's a church and a big circular the
Speaker 1: dining hall, and then there's near Little Women like picture
Speaker 1: Little Women, but like in this was the town where
Speaker 1: little Women. Yeah, where Louise may Alcott lived. So would
Speaker 1: you just go out and play with all the other kids.
Speaker 1: And we had an ice skating rank, and we had
Speaker 1: a library and a pond, and we had playing fields
Speaker 1: in tennis courts, we had dining where you got brought
Speaker 1: home from the hospital. That's where you know, I think.
Speaker 1: Actually my dad was working for my my mother's father
Speaker 1: in banking and he hated it and so once I
Speaker 1: was born, my dad said to my mom, I just
Speaker 1: want to teach, and my mom did too, so uh,
Speaker 1: he got a job at Middlesex as an English teacher,
Speaker 1: and then he started coaching. He was the coach for
Speaker 1: hockey and soccer and crew. That mean, those are big sports.
Speaker 1: And my mom, uh was the ceramics teacher. Okay, did
Speaker 1: you have so many questions? Did you eat at the
Speaker 1: dining hall? Yes? We did every night. No, not every
Speaker 1: night because my mom started becoming a really experimental cook around.
Speaker 1: I would say when I was in ten or eleven
Speaker 1: and my brother was seven or right, was it fun
Speaker 1: to eat at the dining hall? Oh? It was the best? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And what way? Well, first of all, it felt like
Speaker 1: if you're a little kid and you're in a uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a cafeteria. It's all students. Some of them
Speaker 1: are your babysitters, and you know all the teachers, and
Speaker 1: you know all the other kids who are growing up
Speaker 1: on the campus. So it felt like a party and
Speaker 1: you get in line and you get I mean, to
Speaker 1: this day, a cafeteria is so satisfying. If I love
Speaker 1: a buffet, I love it like a cheap buffet. I
Speaker 1: like that, like a supe plantation. I love it. I
Speaker 1: want to get a bunch of little things that I
Speaker 1: can I loved being able to go to the cafeteria,
Speaker 1: but when we went with our parents, if we had
Speaker 1: to sit with our parents, and our parents made us get,
Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of vegetables that we didn't want.
Speaker 1: There was actually in the dining hall at Middlesex. The
Speaker 1: walls are lined with what is the senior project. But
Speaker 1: when a senior graduates from Middlesex, they have to carve
Speaker 1: a little um wooden plaque eight by eight inch wooden
Speaker 1: plaque with a depiction of something or you know, something
Speaker 1: that represents them. And those are the entire you know,
Speaker 1: floor to ceiling of this very very large Hogwarts. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: And that is kind of what it looks like. It
Speaker 1: looks like Hogwarts. There was one carved. The senior had
Speaker 1: carved a brick wall with a hole in it right
Speaker 1: as if the brick wall had had crumbled through, and
Speaker 1: all of the faculty kids, we would throw all the
Speaker 1: vegetables we didn't want into that hole. After a few
Speaker 1: years they had to tear out that part of the
Speaker 1: wall and dig out all the day it was discussed
Speaker 1: I remember when I went to school there, and I
Speaker 1: will not say her name, but there was a girl
Speaker 1: who got kicked out. She was like a rich New
Speaker 1: Yorker and she she went, she went nuts. She like
Speaker 1: a feel like a mental break. One night and she
Speaker 1: broke out of her dorm. She was a senior and
Speaker 1: I was a sophomore, and she um, she broke into
Speaker 1: the main like academic building. I heardget the name of it.
Speaker 1: What was that building? Whatever? The whatever, the big the
Speaker 1: big main building, main administration building. And she went downstairs
Speaker 1: and in all the plaques she shoved like killed bossa
Speaker 1: sausage like in the holes of the plaques. We like
Speaker 1: shoved all the sausages and all the holes. And then
Speaker 1: she went into the girl's room and she shoved sausages
Speaker 1: in all of the toilets like like like like like
Speaker 1: f fulls of sausages and all the toilets and flushed
Speaker 1: all the toilets, so it flooded with sausages. And the
Speaker 1: holes are the plaques. And she got said she got
Speaker 1: expelled m and she like wrote all the ship but
Speaker 1: it was like she was I just remember her jamming
Speaker 1: sausages and all the holes. If that's not the most
Speaker 1: sexually repressed. I mean the Anna shocked. Ana. What are
Speaker 1: your thoughts why? I think it's such an uptight place
Speaker 1: and if like your she wasn't super cool, she wasn't
Speaker 1: like like I'd fully fit in there. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a very preppy school, and I think I think she
Speaker 1: just maybe was acting out like funk this place, but
Speaker 1: she acted alonely, she did that alone. Well, that's I mean,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I was asked to leave you in
Speaker 1: my sophomore year. I was failing because I was trying
Speaker 1: to fit in. But a lot of the students and
Speaker 1: I went there before you did because I'm a couple
Speaker 1: of years older than you. A lot of the kids
Speaker 1: there were very, very wealthy, so South American. There were
Speaker 1: kids from China and England, and it was a lot
Speaker 1: of New Yorkers and their parents just their parents almost
Speaker 1: had kids because they were supposed to as what I
Speaker 1: felt like, and so these kids were so they were
Speaker 1: acting out, and they were lonely and rich, and there
Speaker 1: were a lot of drugs, a lot of drinking, and
Speaker 1: sometimes these kids would a helicopter would land right in
Speaker 1: the middle in front of the church, had to pick
Speaker 1: up the New York kids one by one flight to
Speaker 1: New York and they'd be dropped off on Sunday night.
Speaker 1: We didn't know that that girl might have been just
Speaker 1: that was just a desperate cry for attention from her
Speaker 1: parents for we didn't have helicopters. That's crazy. Wow, it
Speaker 1: was wild. There were the heirs of everything. I mean,
Speaker 1: we huge corporations. These kids were going to school at Middlesex.
Speaker 1: I remember there were you know, because we didn't have
Speaker 1: that money. And I remember the beauty and the beauty
Speaker 1: of a boarding school is like nobody knows what your
Speaker 1: house looks like, and nobody like like we all knew
Speaker 1: who all the rich people were because they only hung
Speaker 1: out with each other. But um, you could kind of
Speaker 1: hide stuff because nobody knows your house, your family, like
Speaker 1: nobody knows anything but about you. It's like college kind of.
Speaker 1: But I do remember going to um uh graduation parties
Speaker 1: and just the size of these houses. Like somebody at
Speaker 1: the time it was like the nineties and like somebody high,
Speaker 1: like somebody's family hired Blues Traveler, which was like the
Speaker 1: band at the time, like Blues Like the drummer was
Speaker 1: like hitting on one of the girls you know, it's
Speaker 1: just like who hires Like I kind of felt like
Speaker 1: the parents might have been in the mob. It felt
Speaker 1: like a mob. It felt like a locust valley, but
Speaker 1: mafia s. It was just like it was so great
Speaker 1: one kid's parents on the bio dome. It was it
Speaker 1: was nuts. It was not okay. So you grew up,
Speaker 1: you grew up on that camp and was I mean
Speaker 1: it's also surrounded by teenagers. Was that formative? Like how
Speaker 1: did that? Like? How to me teenagers are so exciting?
Speaker 1: And like did you sort of watch them? Were you
Speaker 1: aware or was it more just about the other kids,
Speaker 1: the other faculty kids? Like when were you sort of
Speaker 1: watching the teenagers? I probably probably when I, you know,
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen, and then I was going to school there
Speaker 1: when I was fourteen, I would say eleven twelve of thirteen,
Speaker 1: I started paying attention to the students. I do remember,
Speaker 1: and I it must have been nineteen seventy, nineteen seventies
Speaker 1: seven the school went co ed. I think it had
Speaker 1: only been boys at that point and I was born
Speaker 1: in sixty nine, so there were girls in the dormitory
Speaker 1: and a couple of high school girls got me stoned,
Speaker 1: and I had to have been eight, and I remember
Speaker 1: I remember smoking hot and then watching a girl blow
Speaker 1: dry her hair for what felt like hours, and I
Speaker 1: was so mesmerized. So there was well, there was an
Speaker 1: element of listen, horrible things could have happened that didn't,
Speaker 1: Thank God, you know what I mean, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: because we were free. We were just free to go
Speaker 1: wherever we wanted. Of course we couldn't just go walk
Speaker 1: around into dorm rooms, but you know, the teenagers would
Speaker 1: see kids and be like, come on, come up to
Speaker 1: my room and hang out. Well, I felt like and
Speaker 1: I felt like even you know, and looking back and
Speaker 1: writing a lot of my stuff in the eighties, I
Speaker 1: felt like the no, they would just take it. It It
Speaker 1: rated our movie like there was no babysitter. The babysitter
Speaker 1: was the TV. You know, like there's like you're sort
Speaker 1: of freer, like if you can bike and just come
Speaker 1: back by dark and like it's very stranger things like
Speaker 1: like Charlie Brown. I feel like they, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: Dolts are not on your bike. Yeah, and just make
Speaker 1: sure you're home before dark and knock on the door
Speaker 1: when you're home. You'll be home by ten. When I
Speaker 1: was thirteen, fourteen. It was when I was younger. My
Speaker 1: brother and I would just ride our bikes around little
Speaker 1: kids and come back when it's come back when the
Speaker 1: sun when the sun starts. I know, I was like
Speaker 1: six or seven. I remember. Yeah. It was like we
Speaker 1: would come back and we will go to the dining
Speaker 1: hall or mom would make some weird ship which was great.
Speaker 1: Did you did you get kicked out? And so where
Speaker 1: did you go? Part of the UM c H d H.
Speaker 1: I went to conqueror call out public High? Yeah. UM
Speaker 1: for part of the payment. You know, my parents made
Speaker 1: combined as teachers, thirteen thousand a year, and it was
Speaker 1: they you know, they just weren't Their housing was paid
Speaker 1: for and we could go to the cafeteria. So they
Speaker 1: made they didn't make a living wage. Technically if you
Speaker 1: if you at that time, you just that just you
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to support a family of four on
Speaker 1: you know. My mom was only allowed to teach for
Speaker 1: a few years and then they made a rule saying
Speaker 1: spouses couldn't work. And so part of their payment was
Speaker 1: if their kids grades were good enough, their kids could
Speaker 1: go to Middlesex for free. And Middlesex was a great school.
Speaker 1: It maybe had some troubled kids, but they had great
Speaker 1: teachers and it was a valuable education. So I my
Speaker 1: grades were good enough. I started attending. I went freshman year,
Speaker 1: and I was an outcast because my parents were teachers there,
Speaker 1: so everyone knew. You know, I lived in the dorm.
Speaker 1: It was like, there's a welfare case. Tough girls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: certainly didn't fit right in. I had like three and
Speaker 1: it's a tough school. It's not for everyone. Did you
Speaker 1: graduate from that? I did, but I have to say, like,
Speaker 1: and I have. I have gone back to a couple
Speaker 1: I went to a couple of reunions, and I remember going, oh,
Speaker 1: it wasn't just like it wasn't just that I was
Speaker 1: sixteen that I didn't fit in like or that I
Speaker 1: didn't relate. I'm not. I don't relate like I'm not.
Speaker 1: I was just saying this to Aaron, like what the
Speaker 1: beauty of it was, I'm not a lacrosse player or
Speaker 1: feel like like my interest. The beauty of them not
Speaker 1: being interested in any of the stuff I was interested
Speaker 1: in is nobody wanted. Nobody cared about the theater, so
Speaker 1: I could just write places and put them. I had
Speaker 1: access to stuff that Nolan was looking at because nobody
Speaker 1: cared and they thought it was uncool. It was uncool.
Speaker 1: It was uncool. What was interesting was the too funniest
Speaker 1: people that were there with me have gone on. They've
Speaker 1: both become like it's Alex Sulkin, who's the sulk who
Speaker 1: who wrote Ted and he writes for Family God, and
Speaker 1: then it's John Viner rights for family. Like so it
Speaker 1: was like the three of us were doing stuff in
Speaker 1: the theater and then there was all the other jobs.
Speaker 1: But like, it's interesting that none of us had any connections,
Speaker 1: you know, and like, but everybody made it from there,
Speaker 1: which is odd to me. Your friends, I we were
Speaker 1: like pals. It was like the three of us were
Speaker 1: the ones that were sort of the funny ones, but
Speaker 1: but not John was like the president of the school.
Speaker 1: He was like that. But like, you know, we were
Speaker 1: like not, no, we were not the king and Queen
Speaker 1: of the proms. I don't know, I know, I know
Speaker 1: exactly who who they were. I grew up around it
Speaker 1: and it was very money centric and old old boy,
Speaker 1: old boy network. And it's also you. I I can't
Speaker 1: I can't imagine it was different for you and it
Speaker 1: was for me because it was just gawky artsy. I
Speaker 1: didn't make sense ass not enough money, not you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know enough about it. There were things like
Speaker 1: these kids were so rich that they wouldn't know about food.
Speaker 1: I'd never heard of it. And then I would be
Speaker 1: an idiot that I, oh, you've never been to Prague
Speaker 1: like fucking progue. I know, you know you just I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I remember, like I never heard of like
Speaker 1: a rugala or like balsamic. You know, you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like you don't eat catalina dressing and iceberg
Speaker 1: lattice like you fancy like it's it's wild. Yeah. It
Speaker 1: was just a different world completely. We were stove First,
Speaker 1: like like a fancy Knight was like a French bread
Speaker 1: pizza from stove First, which by the way, delicious. So
Speaker 1: I said, then you went to you went to Parsons.
Speaker 1: I did, well, here's what happened, just to quickly go through.
Speaker 1: So I was asked to leave Middlesex. I um, I
Speaker 1: went to Conquered call Out Public High School for the
Speaker 1: second half of my sophomore year. That's hard. And then
Speaker 1: it was hard because they though I was a rich
Speaker 1: kid because I leave Candling so it was just I
Speaker 1: was just like, Okay, your mother, it must be. And
Speaker 1: then I begged my parents because up until I went
Speaker 1: to Middlesex, I had gone to all girls schools because
Speaker 1: my parents were educators and they they borrowed money from
Speaker 1: my grandparents. They their priority was making sure my brother
Speaker 1: and I went to the best school possible that my
Speaker 1: mom did. It was heartbreaking Middlesex didn't work out for
Speaker 1: them because they were hoping so much that you know,
Speaker 1: that that would be covered. And so I begged them
Speaker 1: to send me back to girls school because I had
Speaker 1: been to private girls schools, day schools up until middle six.
Speaker 1: Then um my school, I know. I went to a
Speaker 1: girls boarding school in upstate New York or well in
Speaker 1: Westchester County, New York and Dobbs Ferry called the Master's School,
Speaker 1: which is where my mom graduated from. So so that
Speaker 1: was great. I I enjoyed um girls school because the
Speaker 1: pressure what's going on in a in a co ed
Speaker 1: school system just didn't fit for me. I didn't fit in.
Speaker 1: I wasn't popular, I wasn't hot, I wasn't part of
Speaker 1: a couple. It wasn't like I just was a fringe
Speaker 1: heartner freak who made her own clothes out of goodwill jackets,
Speaker 1: and I made my own job perse I wore I
Speaker 1: mean I I would other men's pants, and there's a
Speaker 1: hall of chapter that I only wore knickers until I
Speaker 1: mean literally, I were like purple knickers that and then
Speaker 1: like bowler hats, some circle skirts and vests like yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like no, no, no, I didn't have like
Speaker 1: the thin swinging ponytail like well, I played lacrosse, okay.
Speaker 1: So so you go to the girls school, to the
Speaker 1: girls school, graduated okay, and went to Parsons School of
Speaker 1: Design in New York City, studying just foundation year. I
Speaker 1: didn't know what I wanted to do. I knew, I knew, honestly.
Speaker 1: I I still feel bad about this, my parents. I
Speaker 1: feel guilty about it. I had always been in advanced
Speaker 1: art classes, so I knew I could get in at
Speaker 1: Parsons and Pratt and all the I wanted to be
Speaker 1: in New York City because I wanted to pursue acting.
Speaker 1: And I didn't have the courage to tell my parents
Speaker 1: parents that I wanted to act, because that is it's
Speaker 1: unheard of. I like, the art school is the safe choice.
Speaker 1: It's like they called into somebody going to school, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't got a art school. Art school was okay
Speaker 1: because my mom's an artist as ceramicist and uh, but
Speaker 1: that was still like there was still sort of an
Speaker 1: old patriarchical society that I that my when I was
Speaker 1: growing up, it was coming to an end. Suddenly in
Speaker 1: the seventies there were you know, divorces and women in
Speaker 1: the workforce in a way that hadn't existed before. So
Speaker 1: when I was a little kid, it was assumed that
Speaker 1: I would go to college for a year or two,
Speaker 1: marry a man, you know, stop going to school, and
Speaker 1: stay home and raise kids. That was the world that
Speaker 1: I grew up, and so going to art school was
Speaker 1: I figured they weren't that invested in it because they
Speaker 1: assumed I would get married. And I wasn't invested in
Speaker 1: it because I wanted to pursue acting and I did,
Speaker 1: and I went around and apologized to all of my
Speaker 1: teachers at Parsons. Okay, so here's a question do before
Speaker 1: we get to that, do you still make art? And
Speaker 1: what did you make to get in Like what was
Speaker 1: your special tree? Oh? I had so many advanced placement
Speaker 1: art classes and art history, and I loved them. It
Speaker 1: was what was my ap It was works of art
Speaker 1: based on specific pieces of music. So they were all
Speaker 1: each each art piece was really was based on the
Speaker 1: you know a song when I think there was one
Speaker 1: Stravinsky fall from the Four Seasons um pop music that song?
Speaker 1: Do you still have any of them? No? No, I
Speaker 1: don't know, So how do I don't know how I
Speaker 1: got in? I got in? I don't know how did
Speaker 1: you start pursuing acting? Like, so did you? When did
Speaker 1: you know you were? Like? When did your secret desire
Speaker 1: wake a week and inside you? Well? I had been
Speaker 1: in all of the school plays, okay, at the last
Speaker 1: two years and at the boarding school, at the girls
Speaker 1: boarding school, and my dorm mother's husband are like the
Speaker 1: dorm father whatever. He was actually a professional working actor
Speaker 1: in New York City, and he had he watched all
Speaker 1: the plays and he had said to me when a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of us were in their house for fondu
Speaker 1: or I don't know what we were doing, he said,
Speaker 1: I think you really have a gift and you should
Speaker 1: pursue it. So I was, you know, that's all I
Speaker 1: wanted to do, but I knew I had to go
Speaker 1: to at a present that really, like, do you think
Speaker 1: him saying that Dan Daily and I don't know what
Speaker 1: he's up to? Now, do you think you would have
Speaker 1: pursued it if Dan Daily hadn't told you that? Or
Speaker 1: I do I think I would of yet because I
Speaker 1: knew I wanted to do it. I always wanted to
Speaker 1: do it. So you get to New York, you're at Parsons.
Speaker 1: To Parsons, I'm living in the George Washington Welfare Hotel
Speaker 1: on Lexington, and I had an eight by ten foot
Speaker 1: room with its own bathroom. Though that's pretty good. Most
Speaker 1: of the um apartments apartments and quotes my friend Chris
Speaker 1: you shared about she had to share a bathroom when
Speaker 1: we worked at Bathroom. Yeah. Yeah, it was like when
Speaker 1: she had a bed and then she shared a bathroom. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: so you well. I was also, uh, my parents paid
Speaker 1: for my rent and my my rent and my bills,
Speaker 1: but I had to buy art supplies and that in
Speaker 1: itself was kind of a racket at Parsons, where a
Speaker 1: bunch of the teachers had art supply stores in the
Speaker 1: building and you would go to class and they'd say, oh,
Speaker 1: everyone has their charcoal number seven and people are like no,
Speaker 1: and they'd say go downstairs and buy it. So all
Speaker 1: the teachers were sending the students to go buy from
Speaker 1: each other. So it was expensive because you have to
Speaker 1: go downstairs and buy a charcoal set or going to
Speaker 1: going to the airport store. Yeah, exactly seven bottle of water.
Speaker 1: So I was host to sing at the Figure Out
Speaker 1: Cafe on Eighth Street weekends. It's Master, not Astro Place,
Speaker 1: It's eighth Streets in the West Village. Figure Out Cafe,
Speaker 1: eighth Street. I feel like I remember that it's probably
Speaker 1: still there. It had been there since the forties or something.
Speaker 1: So I was host to sing there. And then I
Speaker 1: met a guy in my building and he was going
Speaker 1: to n y U and they were doing Hurley Burley
Speaker 1: through the Circling Square, which is great, and he was
Speaker 1: hitting on me. I didn't. I didn't get it at
Speaker 1: the time. He was hitting on me and he said
Speaker 1: you should audition. So I auditioned, even though I wasn't
Speaker 1: part of n y U. I don't. I don't even
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how that how that happened, and
Speaker 1: I ended up getting the part of Darlene and performing square. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's amazing and in like somehow associated with NYU, which
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense because I had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: n y U. I was so I I apologized to
Speaker 1: my teachers and I told my parents I was dropping out.
Speaker 1: What year is this? What a sophomore year? This was? No,
Speaker 1: this is my freshman, this is my first year. This
Speaker 1: is six months in at Parsons. I've auditioned for for
Speaker 1: a play, gotten apart and started doing it. Was it
Speaker 1: your first audition? Yeah? It was so you got your
Speaker 1: first audition, You got the play besides school auditions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was my first I hadn't even amazing. So you
Speaker 1: got your first audition, you get to play. You dropped
Speaker 1: out of school, I dropped out of Parsons. And how
Speaker 1: long did the play run for? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: a month and a half? Two months? Did it get
Speaker 1: Did it get you an agent? No? Okay. One of
Speaker 1: the things that I think it's so interesting about Paget
Speaker 1: that I remember meeting you a long time ago, but like,
Speaker 1: you had a and I don't. You had a very
Speaker 1: successful late night talk show called Paget in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: How did I so? How did you get from New York?
Speaker 1: It's it's so brief and makes perfect sense. So after
Speaker 1: Hurley Burley, I still didn't know how to get an agent.
Speaker 1: I didn't have the courage to tell my parents I
Speaker 1: wanted to go to acting school. They said, if you
Speaker 1: dropped out of Parson's, you're cut off. I said, okay.
Speaker 1: I I had a boyfriend who was a drummer. We
Speaker 1: formed a band together, We lived together. I was waiting
Speaker 1: tables at this point. We played in that band in
Speaker 1: New York from eighty eight until ninety three. I said
Speaker 1: to him, we broke up our band. We had a
Speaker 1: big fight and the band broke up, and so we
Speaker 1: he I kind of wanted. It wasn't working out with him.
Speaker 1: He was from San Francisco. I was working two jobs.
Speaker 1: He didn't work for a year, and I finally was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta get out here. So let's move to San Francisco.
Speaker 1: And they're not if you're the only one working and
Speaker 1: you're I did it a guy that I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: did you just come right here after work? Did you
Speaker 1: get rid of your part? Like? Are you free litting
Speaker 1: off of me? Run cut and run? Well, do it
Speaker 1: once and then don't do it again. So we moved
Speaker 1: to San Francisco. We got an apartment. I started as
Speaker 1: half half acidly try to put another band together. And
Speaker 1: I broke up with him, and um, I was bartending, UM,
Speaker 1: you know, to pay my rent I got. I had
Speaker 1: an apartment by myself. An agent hung out my bar.
Speaker 1: It was called the Slow Club and Petrero Hill, very nice, fancy, upscale,
Speaker 1: pretty um bar restaurant, and this guy, Henry Malden hung
Speaker 1: out at the bar and he I was going to
Speaker 1: acting school. He I kept saying, Hey, why don't you
Speaker 1: represent me? Be my agent, and and finally one day
Speaker 1: he said, okay, fine, I will send you on three
Speaker 1: auditions if you get the part. If you get it,
Speaker 1: he said, if you get it, get the job, I'll
Speaker 1: be your manager. I said, okay, great. He sent me
Speaker 1: on meetings for hosts, correspondence and anchor people. I didn't
Speaker 1: know I was twenty this was four. I was twenty five.
Speaker 1: I didn't know there were different kinds of managers. I
Speaker 1: thought they were all for acting. So I was meeting
Speaker 1: with people as a host. I was also doing a
Speaker 1: public access UH television show called um Strange America that
Speaker 1: was just sketches and interviews, just goofy public access used
Speaker 1: to be like you could put whatever. I was doing
Speaker 1: that with a couple of guys who were in tech.
Speaker 1: So I ended up getting a pilot deal to shoot
Speaker 1: The Paget Show, to host a talk show. He did episodes,
Speaker 1: sixty five sisodes I made. There's one online. What okay, Yount?
Speaker 1: So you host? You have a give your own talk
Speaker 1: show called Paget, the Paget Show. What's the format? Like,
Speaker 1: what is the exactly? It's the it's the exactly. The
Speaker 1: reason why I got that deal was because every production
Speaker 1: company signed anyone in their twenties to host a talk
Speaker 1: show because Ricky Lake had made so much for Garth
Speaker 1: an Seer and Fox, so every production I happened to
Speaker 1: be the one that Westinghouse signed. But there were shows,
Speaker 1: so many shows Tempest Bloodsoe and Gabrielle Carterriss and Mark Wahlbert,
Speaker 1: the one who does Temptation Island. Give us an example
Speaker 1: of one episode, Give us an episode, you know, one
Speaker 1: episode was I Love Him? Why do my parents hate?
Speaker 1: So it would be a panel. It would be you know,
Speaker 1: it would start with two or three people on the panel.
Speaker 1: It could get up to ten or twelve people on
Speaker 1: the panel. On the stage and I was running back
Speaker 1: and forth with the microphone interview Williams. Does she ever
Speaker 1: get up out of that chair? Did she? She does?
Speaker 1: Doesn't know she does it, She doesn't know. These aren't
Speaker 1: they are not talk shows aren't done now the way
Speaker 1: they were then then it was did that? Phil Donahue
Speaker 1: did that. That's what those shows were based on. It
Speaker 1: was that format of you you come up and you're
Speaker 1: talking to people on the stage, and then you go
Speaker 1: out and you take questions from the audience. How was
Speaker 1: it was really fun? I didn't know anything. I didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about the business. I did the audience warm up.
Speaker 1: I how everyone. I didn't know there were audience warmups.
Speaker 1: I would we would go to commercial and I would
Speaker 1: have to keep getting the audience going. Anybody who asks
Speaker 1: a really exciting question gets this fossil watch. Somebody told
Speaker 1: me I was not allowed to report how many hours
Speaker 1: I was working because we shot three shows Thursday, three
Speaker 1: shows Friday, and then Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. We did man
Speaker 1: on the Street interviews all over San Francisco. But they
Speaker 1: wouldn't let me report my hours. They said if I
Speaker 1: reported how many hours I was working, they'd have to
Speaker 1: pay me more and they'd have to fire people. How
Speaker 1: much it was also bartend? Oh my god, Sunday, Monday,
Speaker 1: Tuesday nights, just so I could pay my rent. How
Speaker 1: much did you make per episode that didn't even exist?
Speaker 1: How much did you make? I make two hundred dollars
Speaker 1: a week, two d a week. It wasn't it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It was not. We aired at one in the morning.
Speaker 1: To be fair, it was being developed, is what it's called. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: two questions. How big were the audiences people? How did
Speaker 1: they fill the crowd? It was a very successful show.
Speaker 1: Nothing is shot in San Francisco. Did you recognized? Did
Speaker 1: you recognize around San Francisco? It started happening. It started
Speaker 1: happening after we were on the air, maybe three weeks
Speaker 1: or four weeks. And when the first time it happened,
Speaker 1: I was the first time it happened. I was having
Speaker 1: like brunch with a boyfriend and a new guy, not
Speaker 1: not not the guy I moved there with his history,
Speaker 1: and we're fighting like I'm I want I'm like getting ready.
Speaker 1: It's the it's the precursor to breaking up. It's that
Speaker 1: fight where you're like, oh, I want to do it?
Speaker 1: Right now and stopped talking and I just got the
Speaker 1: check and the check cut. The waitress comes over and
Speaker 1: she says, um, some fans of yours paid the check.
Speaker 1: And I was like what what and she said, they
Speaker 1: don't want me to tell you who they are. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, they've so they've just watched me being a
Speaker 1: bit to my boyfriend and they paid for my check
Speaker 1: like they love the Patchet Show. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: it freaked me. It freaked me out. And I didn't know,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know what to do. But and
Speaker 1: also everyone knew where I lived. I had done an
Speaker 1: interview with the San Francisco Times. Well the journalist for
Speaker 1: some reason was like, ah, pissy, like she's not from
Speaker 1: San Francisco and she never will be, but here's her show.
Speaker 1: And she wrote my home address. She said she came
Speaker 1: and picked me up at my home. So people were
Speaker 1: it's weird. I had a very rude interviewer last year
Speaker 1: in Alaska about the meanest ship. It's like they've already
Speaker 1: made up, they already hate you before you've opened your math.
Speaker 1: And it was like and it's all about them, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they got nothing to do with this. Guy wrote
Speaker 1: the rudest. What what did he say? I can't you
Speaker 1: know what? You know you haven't memory. I actually don't
Speaker 1: have a memorized. Then you're healthy normally, you know what.
Speaker 1: That's amazing because I always say a few years ago
Speaker 1: I would have memorized it would have. It was so
Speaker 1: degrading and unnecessary. It was like, but I do remember
Speaker 1: the word coquettish was in there. It was like, what
Speaker 1: like it was just but it's not necessarily bad. The
Speaker 1: way he wrote it, wrote it from it, it was
Speaker 1: just like it was to do with like stand up show.
Speaker 1: It was just like it was just hateful. I'm sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: you know what. Sometimes people yes, but so so she
Speaker 1: put your home address. So there were you know, people
Speaker 1: people questionable interactions with people, and people waiting outside and
Speaker 1: people following you and and um, I remember there was
Speaker 1: a guy at Chris at U t A that was
Speaker 1: like courting me who had discovered you. That was my
Speaker 1: first agent, Chris Chris hold On, hold On, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: he was courting me. Chris Colin c O. L. E.
Speaker 1: Colin was courting me. And I remember he kept talking
Speaker 1: about great. I'm really sorry you didn't sign with him.
Speaker 1: That's a bummer. I fucked up, didn't I? No, No,
Speaker 1: your path is perfect. Chris Colin also left the industry,
Speaker 1: left agent ing and became the first guy that was
Speaker 1: figuring out like branding like he put the Pepsi logo
Speaker 1: on the Challenger like. I think he became Banana's rich.
Speaker 1: He probably bought Martha's vineyard. Chris Colin is by it
Speaker 1: and what he did was he lied. What do you
Speaker 1: mean back then? Back in the day, I signed with him,
Speaker 1: moved to l A. Am I going too far from No?
Speaker 1: I like this perfect move to l A. Signed with him.
Speaker 1: I had done the talk show. The talk show wasn't
Speaker 1: moving forward. Westinghouse bought CBS and in ninety five or
Speaker 1: ninety six, CBS had its own stable of twenty something
Speaker 1: talk show hosts. So our show was dead. Um I
Speaker 1: I signed with Chris Colin. I moved to Los Angeles
Speaker 1: and my first I was going on just general meetings,
Speaker 1: and I went to a general meeting. I also I
Speaker 1: had had my driver's license for maybe a week. Two weeks.
Speaker 1: I went on a general meeting at NBC and was
Speaker 1: just talking to Nancy. I can't remember her last name.
Speaker 1: She was the head of casting for NBC and while
Speaker 1: we were sitting there, she said, hold on a second.
Speaker 1: Marshall gave me sides to go in the other room
Speaker 1: and work on these and come back in. And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I had never cold read. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that I'd been doing plays in Sanrancis. Well, so
Speaker 1: I go in the other and work on the sides,
Speaker 1: come back in and she did, let's read it right now.
Speaker 1: And she's intense and we're reading it and she says,
Speaker 1: getting the car following me and she's like Helen and
Speaker 1: calls this an other woman. She's no, they make me
Speaker 1: follow this the first time I've ever driven all the freeway.
Speaker 1: They make me follow them to Radford from the burbank
Speaker 1: NBC in a calm me and I just bought a car.
Speaker 1: And it's also, by the way, kids, those people listening
Speaker 1: Google maps didn't exist. There was this horrible Thomas called
Speaker 1: the Thomas Guy, that was seventy eight pages law. It
Speaker 1: was grids. It was like grids and it was so confusing.
Speaker 1: So you see, if I wouldn't know, I didn't know
Speaker 1: what they were talking about. They said, we're going to Radford.
Speaker 1: I was on the freeway behind them, shake it like
Speaker 1: tears streaming down my face. I was so scared. I've
Speaker 1: never driven on a freeway before. Pulled in to Radford. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not getting out of the car yet, so I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do my makeup. I'm doing my makeup again
Speaker 1: in the car Bayous and they get out of the
Speaker 1: car and I get out and I'm like hey, and
Speaker 1: they said, okay, follow us. We go into one of
Speaker 1: those bungalows. They go knock on the door Lena and
Speaker 1: people are waiting in waiting room, like waiting to audition,
Speaker 1: and they're like, come here, come here. They opened the door,
Speaker 1: ordered me in the room. Laura san gian Como, who
Speaker 1: was famous from Pretty Woman there and there are fifteen
Speaker 1: people in the room and the casting leady says, this
Speaker 1: is Paget, Paget, this is Laura. You're going to do
Speaker 1: the scene. So these to shoot me. It was just
Speaker 1: shoot me. So I do the scene to play her
Speaker 1: best friend. That was because there was a character that
Speaker 1: it was originally was a woman. I remember the sides
Speaker 1: the breakdown. It wanted to Janine Garoffalo type. I God,
Speaker 1: I remember I had a crew cut back in the day.
Speaker 1: Everybody wanted to Janine Garo. Probably, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I remember that. I remember that breakdown. I remember well
Speaker 1: because it came back a couple of times, and then
Speaker 1: it ended up going to David Spade that like that
Speaker 1: character was played by. I walked right into the audition.
Speaker 1: I audition and they say great, thanks. I was like okay,
Speaker 1: and I walk out and I started walking to my
Speaker 1: are and uh the someone comes running out, going where
Speaker 1: are you going? Where are you going? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go home, and they said, no, you have
Speaker 1: to sign the something. And I don't know what they're
Speaker 1: talking about. I think it's a sign in sheet or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have a pager. They hand me
Speaker 1: a contract, so I go to the ice said can
Speaker 1: I use your phone? And I called Chris Cohen at
Speaker 1: U t A. And I was like, they want me
Speaker 1: to sign something, and he says, get in your car
Speaker 1: and get the funk out of there. And I was like,
Speaker 1: but I think I did well, Like I think they
Speaker 1: want maybe want me to come back. And he's like,
Speaker 1: don't sign a fucking thing, get in your car and
Speaker 1: get the funk out of there. Okay. So I started
Speaker 1: walking to the car they come running back out again
Speaker 1: and they're like, you can't leave, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I've just been told I've got to
Speaker 1: get the funk out of here. I'm sorry, and I
Speaker 1: drove away. It was they wanted me to sign the
Speaker 1: test stop. I wasn't they negotiated. I know there wasn't
Speaker 1: any I don't know what they wanted me to sign.
Speaker 1: By the time you got your first play that you
Speaker 1: audited for, oh, I suppose this is pretty interesting, right
Speaker 1: my first year. First I first said the audition for
Speaker 1: a play in New York. You walk in and you
Speaker 1: get it. You go in for one general meeting, and
Speaker 1: they drive you to Rag myself, okay, but they like
Speaker 1: make you like have like a police that they like.
Speaker 1: They drove me. They drove you because they were in
Speaker 1: front of me. They drove you to Rags. I didn't
Speaker 1: know where to go, had to cut the line, and
Speaker 1: then you got chased out for a test deal that
Speaker 1: was not even negotiered, I mean better actually amazing. So
Speaker 1: I didn't get to shoot me obviously. What happened was
Speaker 1: by the time I got home, Chris had called and
Speaker 1: left a message on my answering machine. I was so
Speaker 1: piste off, like I thought he had cost me a job,
Speaker 1: like I might have gotten a job. He left this message.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what he said, but I was completely confused.
Speaker 1: So I called him and I was like shaking, like
Speaker 1: why did you tell me to leave? I think they
Speaker 1: were interested in me, and he was like, they are
Speaker 1: interested in you, but you don't sign anything unless I
Speaker 1: look at it first, and I want you to just
Speaker 1: sit tight. Everything's going to be fine. What he did
Speaker 1: was NBC those casting people went to were in Littlefield
Speaker 1: and they were like, we saw this girl. We like
Speaker 1: my agent NBC called U t a. My agent said
Speaker 1: to NBC. I don't know what happened. She's green, she
Speaker 1: just got here from San Francisco, but she's We're in
Speaker 1: the middle of negotiating a talent deal with ABC, so
Speaker 1: she can't she shouldn't have auditioned for complete lie. NBC says,
Speaker 1: we'd like to sit down with her if she's about
Speaker 1: to sign. Before you sign anything with ABC, let our
Speaker 1: people sit down with her and let's talk to her.
Speaker 1: Chris fabricated a bidding war between NBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox.
Speaker 1: I met with every network. I met with every network
Speaker 1: president alone, and every time I got there, they were like,
Speaker 1: so are your people coming? And I was like, no,
Speaker 1: we don't have any people, It's just me, and they
Speaker 1: were he knew exactly what he was doing, Christ exactly
Speaker 1: what he was brilliant. But that was back when you
Speaker 1: could lie. No one lies like no one is a
Speaker 1: shark agent. You get a deal? Oh yeah, I got
Speaker 1: a deal for a ton of money. It was a
Speaker 1: quarter of a million dollars one year for Fox, and
Speaker 1: then before that year was over, they signed me to
Speaker 1: another year. Can I just say that I signed with CBS?
Speaker 1: Can I just say that means you never went on
Speaker 1: one audition, You walked into one general meeting. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: all right, you walked into one general meeting and had
Speaker 1: three back to back there you had three back to
Speaker 1: back development deals for the next three years. You're right.
Speaker 1: That's you're right. You're right, you're right. That's that's because
Speaker 1: my agent lie. That's because he was a great agent.
Speaker 1: And by lying as good kids lying good, I depeat
Speaker 1: so badly. Can we take it to take this is
Speaker 1: fascinating thought. Luck. I don't know about you, but I
Speaker 1: think break hi. Guys hi, guys hi, guys were back, Okay,
Speaker 1: please let me clarify this because it sounds like it
Speaker 1: sounds like diamonds are falling out of my vagina with
Speaker 1: what I was auditioning and not getting anything, the thing
Speaker 1: that happened with the with that general meeting and then
Speaker 1: this whole bidding thing. Yeah, I was auditioning and not
Speaker 1: getting anything. I had very little experience. I'd gone to
Speaker 1: acting school, but I hadn't worked besides a play or
Speaker 1: doing a talk show in San Francisco. I had done
Speaker 1: a couple of infomercials I did, like those those uh
Speaker 1: what are they called for? Banks? You walk around and
Speaker 1: you're it's like moral boosting, and here at National Bank,
Speaker 1: we're trying to a corporate, corporate, corporate thing. I'd done that.
Speaker 1: I was auditioning and not getting anything. And then the
Speaker 1: re reason why when Chris lied to NBC and said
Speaker 1: ABC is about to sign her to a development deal
Speaker 1: which existed back then, I don't really exist now people
Speaker 1: had them, and NBC was like, well, we want a
Speaker 1: meeting with her. Then he called all the other networks
Speaker 1: and they all said what we want a meeting with
Speaker 1: And what he was doing was fabricating a frenzy for
Speaker 1: an unknown quantity. All they had of me was was
Speaker 1: a tape of me doing a talk show in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: I didn't have an acting reel. I didn't have myself
Speaker 1: on camera doing anything. So all of those networks didn't
Speaker 1: want to miss out. It didn't matter what I was.
Speaker 1: I could have been a bunch of radishes if if
Speaker 1: a network believed that another network was going to sign
Speaker 1: that bunch of radishes, they were going to have a meeting.
Speaker 1: I agree with you that I I feel like when
Speaker 1: I first started the first the first I went on
Speaker 1: a general and then I went in. I went in
Speaker 1: a general at the ABC in New York, and then
Speaker 1: I got sent to go read for a pilot, and
Speaker 1: then I read like seven times, and then they flew
Speaker 1: me out for a test deal, and then like seven
Speaker 1: more people wanted to test. Like I think, I actually
Speaker 1: think there's a magic when you're brand new, like the
Speaker 1: magic of the undiscovered. I actually get so much harder
Speaker 1: later when you're it's like because there's always a new
Speaker 1: batch of the brand new turnips where it's like there's
Speaker 1: something about people want to be the person that discovers
Speaker 1: this like hidden jam where and and it's the someone
Speaker 1: else discovery. Yes, it's not because they can. They can
Speaker 1: discover a dud anytime. It will never see the light
Speaker 1: of day if it's a dud. But if they never
Speaker 1: even played ball to get that bunch of radishes, then
Speaker 1: they look like assholes. Now, when you're brand new, when
Speaker 1: you're the person that like I think that first year
Speaker 1: there's a magic and I remember thinking like, wow, it's
Speaker 1: always going to be this easy, and it's like like,
Speaker 1: and I do think that you have to get scrappy
Speaker 1: and bell to like reinvent yourself, Like did it when
Speaker 1: did you ever have a slowdown? Like what liked You've
Speaker 1: gone kind of from back to back, Like, well, what
Speaker 1: what happened was I had that development deal with Fox
Speaker 1: and I shot a pilot and it didn't go, and
Speaker 1: then I had another development deal with Fox. Chris insisted
Speaker 1: in that second deal with Fox that Fox allow me
Speaker 1: to be a guest star on other shows. Oh, you
Speaker 1: couldn't do that in the first year. Not the first year. No,
Speaker 1: they own you and they pay you for the year,
Speaker 1: and then if your show gets picked up, half of
Speaker 1: your salary is returned to the network, so they pay
Speaker 1: you a lump sum and then they recoup if your
Speaker 1: show goes forward. So whatever you're being paid, you're only
Speaker 1: being paid half and the network is taking that money back,
Speaker 1: which is still great. I mean it was still an
Speaker 1: ungodly amount of money. When I was twenty six, that
Speaker 1: was crazy. So yeah, what year was that? That was
Speaker 1: nineteen six, So I was twenty seven when all this happened. Um,
Speaker 1: then what happened? Then? I Oh, so so okay, now
Speaker 1: you're gonna get mad Okay, So the second deal at Fox. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: I'm auditioning for movies and I'm not getting anything. The
Speaker 1: second deal with Fox, when Chris got them to agree
Speaker 1: I could guest star on another show. I auditioned for
Speaker 1: a show called Friends, and I got it and I did.
Speaker 1: That was Oh my god, I was supposed to be
Speaker 1: I love this, and then it ended up being sick.
Speaker 1: What did you play? I played Kathy, who Joey is dating,
Speaker 1: but Chandler falls for Kathy and then it was great.
Speaker 1: What season I didn't forward? I did one episode? Season nine,
Speaker 1: season eight, Season you had so they were already like
Speaker 1: the height of like they were was the biggest show
Speaker 1: in the world. Wait, you can't even really want to
Speaker 1: ask a, So this happened in what year was that? Then?
Speaker 1: If it was friends, was a two thousand because I
Speaker 1: did two thousand one and it was right I did
Speaker 1: right after nine eleven, and they had like the Antrax
Speaker 1: They had like the antrax drill when I did it,
Speaker 1: And so that was if I was in season four,
Speaker 1: then that was going took it up because I don't
Speaker 1: know the timeline on this um What was your favorite part?
Speaker 1: Who is your buddy on the set? Matthew Perry? He wasn't.
Speaker 1: He was a nice he had and they were all, honestly,
Speaker 1: they were all so shockingly nice. They were all piste
Speaker 1: off at Adam Swimmer for the majority of the time
Speaker 1: I was there. David. What did I say, Adams? Oh wow,
Speaker 1: Adam David Adam Yeah, no, David Schwimmer. They were mad
Speaker 1: at because he had made them do a fundraiser for
Speaker 1: his theater company. But they were genuinely all really good friends,
Speaker 1: like they were, and they invited me to lunch and
Speaker 1: I would go to the commissary with them, and like,
Speaker 1: they were really really nice. It was surprising. It was seven.
Speaker 1: It was one year. It was one year after I
Speaker 1: got here in ninety six, so I must have had
Speaker 1: the Fox deal ninety six. Yeah, I did. I had
Speaker 1: the Fox deal February or Mark It's amazing it is
Speaker 1: pilot season ninety seven and then pilot season. I was
Speaker 1: signed again with Fox, and I must have done Friends
Speaker 1: in September. Okay, so did you I read somewhere that
Speaker 1: Hugh Hefner sand you set you a handwritten letter on
Speaker 1: Conan offering you to be in Plate Boy. Is that true? Yes?
Speaker 1: I at a at a certain point, And I'm not
Speaker 1: really sure what year it was. I want to say
Speaker 1: two thousand four, Hugh. I went to Hugh Hefner's eightieth
Speaker 1: birthday party, So I don't know what year that. Did
Speaker 1: you go to the grotto? I did? I swam naked
Speaker 1: in the grotto. Um. I went to the I went
Speaker 1: to the Playbood Mansion twice, invited by Hugh Hefner because
Speaker 1: Holly and the girls all watched Criminal. No, the girls
Speaker 1: watched the show I was on, called Huff on Showtime
Speaker 1: with Higgs Area and Oliver Platt. They loved Huff, so
Speaker 1: they invited me to the mansion and I went. I
Speaker 1: love that they loved Huff. Yeah, I know, I was
Speaker 1: so surprised. So I went to the mansion. The first
Speaker 1: time was just a regular you know what they do.
Speaker 1: They have like this weird buffet laid out and I
Speaker 1: swam in the gros don't know the first time maybe
Speaker 1: I wasn't naked. I think the second time I swam
Speaker 1: in the grown naked because like, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Why not? And it was fabulous. There's you know, you're
Speaker 1: the thing that's under the cave. I walked in. I
Speaker 1: brought my friend Justin Kirk, who's a guy friend who
Speaker 1: and he was he was as he was being a
Speaker 1: rascals two chicks who said they were sisters. One was
Speaker 1: from like sal Paolo, Brazil and the other one was
Speaker 1: from Helsinki. He was he was a brother, the brother
Speaker 1: on and he's such a fun rascal. He's like a
Speaker 1: fun he's so talented and he's such a rascal. He's
Speaker 1: on kidding this season with Jim Carrey season. What did
Speaker 1: he play? Um? He plays Judy Greer's husband, So Jim
Speaker 1: Carrey's ex wife's new or boyfriend. The pilot I auditioned
Speaker 1: for an episode towards the I don't think it was
Speaker 1: the pilot. I think I had just like episode two
Speaker 1: or something. I thought it was really good, it was
Speaker 1: really interesting. It's um So I went to the ground.
Speaker 1: I went to the Playboy Mansion with Justin the second
Speaker 1: time I went and we split up, and I walked
Speaker 1: into the grotto and there were people having sex in
Speaker 1: the grotto and I ran out to find Justine. I
Speaker 1: went to find him. He was just outside. I grabbed him.
Speaker 1: We come back in and I just see I just
Speaker 1: see the back of a rock door closing, the security guard.
Speaker 1: The thing about the Playboy Mansion, I don't know what
Speaker 1: it's like now. Back then it was run by the women. Men.
Speaker 1: It was Amazonia. You couldn't touch a woman. You couldn't.
Speaker 1: The women were responsible for everything. So you'd be like,
Speaker 1: get me a drink. They'd get you a drink, could
Speaker 1: get me some jalapeno poppers that you were if if
Speaker 1: a guy even touched a woman without her touching him first,
Speaker 1: a guard was there and that guy was out there
Speaker 1: were secure. It was the most because party. And I
Speaker 1: think that's why I swam naked the second time. So
Speaker 1: I took like dollar bills out of my purse, tucked
Speaker 1: my purse in the grotto wall and just swam out,
Speaker 1: you know, tips up and handed tip money to a
Speaker 1: couple of guys to get drinks for me and Justice
Speaker 1: just hein't seen me naked, all right, we were excess,
Speaker 1: but like totally just friends. That's that's always the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was fun, but I didn't pose naked. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. I couldn't. I think it's yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. I think what they're doing now
Speaker 1: it seems like like like the reinvention. I mean, just
Speaker 1: the covers and stuff. I like this sort of party.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it since it's now. It's it's kind
Speaker 1: of it's kind of like I feel like Christina, they're
Speaker 1: kind of like trying to make it more appealing to
Speaker 1: the mill like millennials. It's less dirty and like a
Speaker 1: little cooler and more already. I don't know, but it's no.
Speaker 1: I think it's underpants and maybe toping. Yeah, it's not as,
Speaker 1: it's not as. I feel like it's almost like somewhat
Speaker 1: in a weird way, kind of old fashioned. But like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think it's kind of like it
Speaker 1: feels like they've been trying to get cool. I don't know. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: so you dated justin let's talk guys. What do you
Speaker 1: wish you could say to your twenty five year old paget?
Speaker 1: What have you? What did you? What like? What was
Speaker 1: your what was your um achilles heel with guys like?
Speaker 1: What was I had? I would date guys that would
Speaker 1: like hit on my friends or like we're threatened. They
Speaker 1: would like like me at first, but then they'd be
Speaker 1: competitive with me about my career, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it was hard to find a guy that could
Speaker 1: handle what I did. Did you ever have a hard
Speaker 1: time with that? Um because you're married to an guy now?
Speaker 1: My guys the best, so the you know, the the
Speaker 1: homework card answer would be, I don't regret anything, A
Speaker 1: gummy where I am now? But what what do you know?
Speaker 1: I think it was. I lived with an actor for
Speaker 1: six years in l A who I met fairly recently
Speaker 1: while I was shooting friends. We met and we started
Speaker 1: living together, and he sort of lost his way. The
Speaker 1: more successful I got, the more he was having a
Speaker 1: hard time with it, and and it's hard for two actors.
Speaker 1: It ended badly, and then from that point on, really
Speaker 1: I think I was very unhealthy and my choices were Um.
Speaker 1: The men were fine. It was I was never. I
Speaker 1: was in and out in three month increments for how
Speaker 1: long years? I mean I and it was like visiting
Speaker 1: the zoo. You would if you lined up the guys
Speaker 1: I diated next to each other, you to be like,
Speaker 1: there is absolutely nothing linking any of these people physically
Speaker 1: or spiritually or except they were they were all nice
Speaker 1: and funny, like they were all very different and wrong
Speaker 1: for me, but great guys. But I was doing it
Speaker 1: to myself because I didn't want anyone. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: guess ultimately I didn't want a partner. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: was terrified someone was going to tell me what to
Speaker 1: do and what I was allowed to do and what
Speaker 1: I and I was not going to let anyone in.
Speaker 1: I was not going to let anyone in. I used
Speaker 1: to cut and run a lot. I would cut and
Speaker 1: run and I did not don't mean you don't you
Speaker 1: control me? I'm the boss here. Yeah, I am out
Speaker 1: of here. What was different when you met Steve? Um?
Speaker 1: Not much? I mean I met Steve. I've not I
Speaker 1: met Steve. We've been together ten years, we married five years.
Speaker 1: Last week we I met him. I've knew him for
Speaker 1: a year and a half, for two years as friends
Speaker 1: with Matthew before anything romantic happened. But I was, I was.
Speaker 1: We were hanging out because Googler was um Googler was
Speaker 1: lightheartedly dating a friend of mine, and uh Googler would
Speaker 1: always bring Steve on like dates with people. There's a
Speaker 1: very funny um Garfunkle notes song called You and Me
Speaker 1: and your friend Steve that it's about Matthew and Steve.
Speaker 1: So Steve was always going. So I would end up
Speaker 1: hanging out with my female friend and Googler and Steve
Speaker 1: would show up, and so then Steve and I were
Speaker 1: essentially on double dates without so they weren't trying to
Speaker 1: fix you up and you always just always just that
Speaker 1: they wanted to make it more social and less not
Speaker 1: like a big heavy date thing, so he would go ahead.
Speaker 1: Then Steve and I started making out, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is so stupid. He's twelve years younger than I am,
Speaker 1: he's a musician, he's new in town on the fucking
Speaker 1: bitchy old broad people are gonna think of his mom
Speaker 1: like I was, And I was bad. I was really
Speaker 1: I pushed him away, and I told him we would
Speaker 1: never be serious and I couldn't go any further. And
Speaker 1: then I love him. I can't, we can't. Then we
Speaker 1: started hanging out and just kissing. And how he handled
Speaker 1: it when you would say that like I'm not afraid
Speaker 1: of you and totally completely nothing to prove confident. He
Speaker 1: was like, whatever, lady, exactly, I'm not going anywhere. Yeah exactly, whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did a sexual time out. Where did you get married?
Speaker 1: We got married in Hollywood at the what was it
Speaker 1: called um the Uh it's gone now. It was a
Speaker 1: little hotel um on Vine Street that now has been
Speaker 1: turned into some kind of smaller soho house sort the
Speaker 1: red and there was what it's gone, Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: the Red Berry Hotel. And there was like a bar
Speaker 1: area called the Library that was just like a little
Speaker 1: library with a little bar our wedding. Our wedding was
Speaker 1: fourteen people. It was my mom and dad, a brother
Speaker 1: and sister, Steve's brother and his wife and son and
Speaker 1: his mom and dad and Matthew. Greg Googler from Criminal
Speaker 1: Minds introduced us. He was dress I did? I wore
Speaker 1: my mom's wedding dress. Did you got a honeymoon? Boy,
Speaker 1: not for another year. I'm terrible planet. Okay, brother and sister.
Speaker 1: Tell me about your brother and sister. Are you tight
Speaker 1: with them? Yes? Yes, they just baby. My brother is
Speaker 1: two and a half years younger. And then your sister.
Speaker 1: He oh, I don't have a sister. Sorry. His wife,
Speaker 1: Catherine is my sister in law. And with him, yes,
Speaker 1: but he like we have been he's uh. His name
Speaker 1: is Ivan and his wife is Catherine, and they just
Speaker 1: had a baby boy named Charlie. And they live in Dumbo,
Speaker 1: which is gorgeous and it was rough when they moved in.
Speaker 1: Like they have paid their dues. He's a designer. She
Speaker 1: works for her brother's hedge funds company called Blue Sand
Speaker 1: Investments UM. And they cook and they travel a lot.
Speaker 1: They're very They're far more fashionable and fancy than Steve
Speaker 1: and I were kind of nerdy homebodies. I love that
Speaker 1: they're really like tall and beautiful and like they go pleat.
Speaker 1: They travel and they have fabulous dinner parties that look
Speaker 1: like photo shoots. Like they're that's my friends in Brooklyn
Speaker 1: are like that. I feel like they like was whipped.
Speaker 1: They like to throw a pie in the oven and
Speaker 1: like there it's like an Edison bulb every where. They
Speaker 1: got like that, that whole world. They listen to NPR
Speaker 1: and make like Corntine yes, and they've got like hiking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're just like they're great. Yeah, it's incredible, But I
Speaker 1: don't have the energy for it. I'm so impressed. Um,
Speaker 1: and your parents live in Maine. My parents live half
Speaker 1: of the year in Maine. Uh. In the in the summer, sorry,
Speaker 1: spring and summer, they live in Maine, and in the
Speaker 1: fall and winter they live in Florida because it just
Speaker 1: gets and their their house which they bought in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty eight before I was born. I was built in
Speaker 1: eighteen seventies something. So it is a drafty. It's it
Speaker 1: gets too cold to live. It's if they're not weather proof,
Speaker 1: that would okay. I have three final questions. Number one,
Speaker 1: how has it been? How do you feel with Criminal Minds? Ending?
Speaker 1: Like like how how? How? What do you what do
Speaker 1: you hope to do? What? What do you How are
Speaker 1: you feeling state of the Union? Um? I feel great.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that Criminal Minds has ended because I think
Speaker 1: we did a good job and I think we ended positively,
Speaker 1: and I think we all have other things to do.
Speaker 1: And I think fifteen seasons is a lot when you
Speaker 1: did a lot of comedy. I laughed for four years
Speaker 1: and went back for the last four seasons, So yeah
Speaker 1: and all, and I wanted to do comedy. You know,
Speaker 1: when you do that, you know tough FBI people are
Speaker 1: dying and know there's hearts and jars you had done.
Speaker 1: You came from the comedy only only comedy. So do
Speaker 1: you did you find that like coming off of that,
Speaker 1: because sometimes I feel like this business, like it's the
Speaker 1: last thing you did is the thing that people remember.
Speaker 1: Like of course was it was it hard to come
Speaker 1: off and be like I want to do comedy again?
Speaker 1: Or or were people like, we know you do comedy
Speaker 1: and that's fine. Um? I think because I really was
Speaker 1: aware that when Criminal Minds ended, I wanted to pursue comedy.
Speaker 1: I've tried my best to keep my foot in it,
Speaker 1: and part of that is doing well except this rose
Speaker 1: you're doing, doing thrilling adventure, um, doing the doing drunk history,
Speaker 1: just doing what are fun things that don't pay that
Speaker 1: I like that, you know what I mean? Because I
Speaker 1: just wanted to be enjoyable. I don't um. So I
Speaker 1: knew when Criminal Minds ended that I was going to
Speaker 1: pursue that, and I was really lucky that I've got
Speaker 1: a couple of episodes of Mom, which is a multi
Speaker 1: camp that I haven't done. And well, I've never met,
Speaker 1: so it's actually not true. I met very briefly Anna
Speaker 1: Faris and um Alison Janny and there they were love's
Speaker 1: I mean, both of them. All of them are so talented,
Speaker 1: all of them. I just what did you What do
Speaker 1: you play in the show? I played Anna's boss, this
Speaker 1: bitchy adderall addicted lawyer. So I'm hoping I'll go back,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. You know that that show has
Speaker 1: you know, six main women, and who are the other plays?
Speaker 1: Allison's amazing, It's a it's a big show. It's a
Speaker 1: big cast, so I don't know how much they need
Speaker 1: guest stars. I don't know if I'll be going back
Speaker 1: to face and it's possible, I don't know. That's fun. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Number two, this is a very important final question. I'm
Speaker 1: scared you're getting out of the limo first night at
Speaker 1: the Bachelor. What what do you wear the first night
Speaker 1: at the Bachelor You're getting out of the limo? I'll
Speaker 1: tell you, I wear a I wear a mini dress
Speaker 1: in the front that has a train in the back
Speaker 1: I were I wear a panic and I make an error,
Speaker 1: and I wear a high low because I I've funked
Speaker 1: up and I've panicked, and then I want to show
Speaker 1: my legs with I want to show my legs. But
Speaker 1: then I don't want to wear a mini dress, and
Speaker 1: I panic and I wear like a mullet dress. And
Speaker 1: then I try and execute some kind of like a
Speaker 1: like a like a barrel roll or a move. I
Speaker 1: try and make a move up to the Bachelor, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily go as well, like like I really
Speaker 1: explode out of the car that but I then look
Speaker 1: back and I think I shouldn't have worn the mullet dress.
Speaker 1: I keep tripping on the train. That's what What do
Speaker 1: you wear? Getting out of limo? Anne's going to wear
Speaker 1: a gown that children have to carry because it's so heavy.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, that's not a good first impression. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Aaron's gonna wear a football outfit and she's going to
Speaker 1: come out and have take off the helmet and have
Speaker 1: like flowing hair, but have like black paint the black
Speaker 1: lines in her eyes and she's going to spike the ball,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, knock the teeth out of the bachelorette
Speaker 1: because she's on the Bachelorette. What do you wear getting
Speaker 1: out of the limb? Okay, I am going to where
Speaker 1: yea a silver yes, full body leotard, yeah, with wrap
Speaker 1: around black shades. I am in one of those Cabo
Speaker 1: San Lucas ocean balls, like a hamster wheel where you
Speaker 1: run on the ocean. No one's done that yet, so
Speaker 1: I just peddle up like a silver Grandma hamster. That's
Speaker 1: and he can't hear me, and I'm like, that's so good.
Speaker 1: Nobody's done that. Yeah, that's a great idea. I feel
Speaker 1: like that really shows who I am. I like to
Speaker 1: wrap around shades and the Annah's dying. Why are you
Speaker 1: wearing again for Peter? For Peter, she's just an airplane? Okay?
Speaker 1: How about just let's say for ginneric Ben Higgins? What
Speaker 1: do you wear for Ben Higgins? I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I honestly would just want to wear like pajamas and
Speaker 1: be like pajamas and be like if you could accept
Speaker 1: me like this, then you accept me because this is
Speaker 1: what I like to pants has anyone done that, because
Speaker 1: that's the way too good. I would love to just
Speaker 1: literally like track pants and a fucking hoodie and just
Speaker 1: be like, bitch, this is it? Like sorry, that's great.
Speaker 1: Smart Now. I know this will come out later because
Speaker 1: and I hope you guys have paused and got and
Speaker 1: bought bought your the book. I'll go buy a little
Speaker 1: little Miss Little Compton book. It's such a fun story.
Speaker 1: What's the name again, I want to make sure I
Speaker 1: get it right. It's called little Miss Little Compton because
Speaker 1: I'm from Little Compton, Rhode Island. Guys, if you've been
Speaker 1: doing this podcast, I guarantee you enjoy the book. And
Speaker 1: I can't wait. It's a pre order, apparently I want to.
Speaker 1: My dream is to be on the bestseller list. You
Speaker 1: have to sell eight thousand copies. Apparently, it's all about
Speaker 1: the pre sales. You've got to be done. It's all.
Speaker 1: We can do it, That's what I'm saying. We can
Speaker 1: do it. It's eight thousands of the number. I can
Speaker 1: order it on three kindles. We got three kids. Don't
Speaker 1: share with my mom. That's right there, you go. You
Speaker 1: can get one for your mom. You can order one
Speaker 1: for mom, one for Steve one for me. Consider it.
Speaker 1: Consider it like a present that you send to your
Speaker 1: future self that you like yourself enough in twenty to
Speaker 1: give yourself a present that it's gonna come this fall
Speaker 1: and you're gonna go, oh my god, thank you so much, Sarah,
Speaker 1: Thanks for sending that to myself. I appreciate that Sarah
Speaker 1: liked self enough to send it. Okay, I know that
Speaker 1: this will be airing later. I'm very excited to do
Speaker 1: the draft picks with you and kirston how do you
Speaker 1: say her last name properly? Vans Um and I might
Speaker 1: actually make people go down the line and say their outfit.
Speaker 1: So remember your outfit or you can change it. Why
Speaker 1: would I change that? I don't think you have to
Speaker 1: get his protect I think so we'll need to hear
Speaker 1: what welse is gonna wear, even though he already did it.
Speaker 1: But maybe we'll have him go last. He had it,
Speaker 1: he had the backup singers, he had what who he had?
Speaker 1: He brought, he brought a band with him. He brought
Speaker 1: a band with him in real life. He did that's right.
Speaker 1: It was a four top. And then like I need
Speaker 1: to know what Lance Bass would wear. And then I
Speaker 1: need you to know what Rob Benedict would wear. I
Speaker 1: just got excited thing Rob that I can't wait to
Speaker 1: do this. This is going to be so much. And
Speaker 1: then we're also having our sketch Fresh show, um pegget.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you feel like you just
Speaker 1: want everybody to know? No, did I know? I satisfy you.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you above and beyond? This has been
Speaker 1: a because it wasn't I want I Actually, I'm so surprised.
Speaker 1: It sounds like I really looked into some great ship
Speaker 1: and I'm excited about that. And I can see how
Speaker 1: writing a book would be so eye opening that you
Speaker 1: are able to look back at your life and looking
Speaker 1: through a different lens. I can't imagine. Well, it's also
Speaker 1: the rewriting problem, Like I wrote it and then I've
Speaker 1: had to keep combing through it, like I've been reading it,
Speaker 1: like I'm so ready to turn close the chapter. And
Speaker 1: by the way, by the time this says this is
Speaker 1: long one, I'm actually turning it in tomorrow. But like,
Speaker 1: like I'm so ready to be done with it, but
Speaker 1: it is. It forces you. It's just so interesting because
Speaker 1: you're like all this, like I have all these funny
Speaker 1: friends and I was just saying this to Aaron, like
Speaker 1: I have all these funny friends that I've gotten a
Speaker 1: note because of the podcast, asked and then life. You know,
Speaker 1: it's you very really sit down and like really like
Speaker 1: like what makes you you? And like how did you
Speaker 1: do this? And nobody on you grew up in the
Speaker 1: industry or had any connections or like. So it's just
Speaker 1: it's been so fascinating just to hear everyone's journey. You're
Speaker 1: you and I are the first two that were not popular.
Speaker 1: Rob was popular, Wells was popular. Aaron was popular. But
Speaker 1: they deserve it, and I bet they ruled kindly. I
Speaker 1: agree with you, you know what I mean. There's no
Speaker 1: way they were popular because they were rich or they
Speaker 1: were popular because they their father was powerful. Like the
Speaker 1: kind of popular people that we dealt with in the
Speaker 1: school that we went to. It was a very different thing.
Speaker 1: And except he was funny. He's the only who was
Speaker 1: the one you guys, What a joy, what a journey. Guys,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for tuning into feeling thorny and um.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for everybody listening. Thank you, patteck
Speaker 1: Bruster for thank you, Lord, thank you, thank you. I
Speaker 1: love you. Okay you guys, um, thanks for listening. Bye.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm all tonight so good. I'm just gotta
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