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Speaker 1: Paulie. You do know that I went to the very
Speaker 1: first combine. No, yes, I did I know? You went
Speaker 1: to the combine. We're in Tempee, the very first combine,
Speaker 1: the very first combine.
Speaker 5: Was your year?
Speaker 1: Was my year coming out? It was, faul I did
Speaker 1: not know it was nineteen eighty five, Yes, it was
Speaker 1: coming out, Yes, nineteen eighty five. Yes, if memory serves, yes,
Speaker 1: it was because it was the fall. It was the
Speaker 1: spring of that year right there, and then the draft,
Speaker 1: of course happened. So yes, nineteen eighty five, Pauli, I
Speaker 1: was at the very first combine in Tempe, Arizona.
Speaker 4: Well, it's the Big Red Rage. Our feature. Guests will
Speaker 4: join us momentarily. Drew Terrell, the Cardinals passing game coordinator,
Speaker 4: wide receivers coach, fresh off being the offensive coordinator in
Speaker 4: the East West Shrine Game for the East team. We've
Speaker 4: got plenty of questions to ask Drew. Therell coming up,
Speaker 4: but first let's get into this combine.
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 4: So Well, if you've been there and done that, this
Speaker 4: your three hundred and twenty one players. By the way,
Speaker 4: do you know the school sending the most prospects to
Speaker 4: the combine as a matter of fact, Paul, I don't
Speaker 4: Michigan with eighteen?
Speaker 1: Okay, there eighteen guys Michigan. What about Bama?
Speaker 4: They have like ten or eleven. You dub a second
Speaker 4: with thirteen. The local schools you have as four, ASU
Speaker 4: and West Virginia and col all have a single play.
Speaker 1: By the way, you had to throw that in West Virginia.
Speaker 1: You had to throw that in.
Speaker 4: Just to rub it in. Holy Cross is sending two.
Speaker 4: Just to let you know, Cardinals have eleven picks in
Speaker 4: this year's draft. They have six in the first ninety
Speaker 4: and earlier. This week on the Red Seaver Report, Rob Frederckson,
Speaker 4: former first round pick of the Raiders and former NFL
Speaker 4: Combine attendee. Here he was talking just about what's at
Speaker 4: stake for all the players.
Speaker 6: It's the biggest job interview of your life.
Speaker 1: And for these guys that are.
Speaker 6: Lucky enough to be invited to the combine, this is
Speaker 6: their chance a shine, and it's it's not just on
Speaker 6: the field, but more of it is done in the
Speaker 6: hotel lobby, conference rooms and in the meeting rooms with
Speaker 6: the coaches and the general managers. Players, you know, going
Speaker 6: in there for one on one, you know. So there's
Speaker 6: a lot that goes into it from the mental aspect.
Speaker 4: So it's the known versus the unknown, right you can see,
Speaker 4: you can you can go ahead and you can have
Speaker 4: all the data on all the measurables. Yes, but they
Speaker 4: want to know about the person beyond the player. I
Speaker 4: would surmise.
Speaker 1: PAULI, it's so important that you go into the combine
Speaker 1: with your eyes on the tape, if you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. These guys, these scouts that go to the combine,
Speaker 1: of course there's so many of them. They have watched
Speaker 1: reel upon reel, well not reels. They've they've watched a
Speaker 1: lot of tape. Let's put it that way. Maybe eighty
Speaker 1: five was reel A ton of a ton of tape
Speaker 1: on these guys going in, they've watched, they've seen it all.
Speaker 1: You can never forget about the tape as a scout,
Speaker 1: as a general manager, as a coach, you can never
Speaker 1: forget about the tape. I think the approach you should
Speaker 1: have going to the combine is, let it confirm what
Speaker 1: you see on tape. Let it confirm that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys that to go to the combine and
Speaker 1: suddenly they look, Oh my goodness, they run grade forty times,
Speaker 1: their vertical is incredible, they bench thirty reps, whatever it
Speaker 1: may be. They do everything that is great. If it
Speaker 1: doesn't add up to what you see on tape, you
Speaker 1: gotta pass. And I think there's a lot of scouts
Speaker 1: and a lot of jams who forget to do that.
Speaker 4: All right, here's many Austin for it last year because
Speaker 4: he's yet to address the media this year about the
Speaker 4: upcoming combine in the draft, but here's what he had
Speaker 4: to say. The Cardinals GM just about what's most important
Speaker 4: from the talent evaluation and the player personnel aspect.
Speaker 7: The most important thing is the medical evaluations and having
Speaker 7: our doctors and having our trainers getting a chance to
Speaker 7: examine the players and just find out where they are physically.
Speaker 7: And really the second most important thing that I get
Speaker 7: out of this is to face to FaceTime when we
Speaker 7: interview with the players, both in the formal settings and
Speaker 7: the informal meetings that our coaches are doing. And then
Speaker 7: we'll get into the workouts as well. Those are important,
Speaker 7: but I'd put the medical in the interviews up above
Speaker 7: the on field workouts.
Speaker 4: Very interesting because I think you can take the Cardinals
Speaker 4: two third round selections last year as a case study
Speaker 4: as an example of each instance. Number one, Michael Wilson
Speaker 4: the Medicals three straight years at Stanford. This season was
Speaker 4: ended by injury season end injuries each of three years.
Speaker 4: And then you had Garrett Williams. He also was coming
Speaker 4: off an ACL injury. But for Garrett Williams, remember what
Speaker 4: he said at the Big Red Rage and our jim
Speaker 4: O Mahunterro found the bite where the phone call that
Speaker 4: was made from the Cardinals war room in round three
Speaker 4: last year to Garrett Williams and they cited the meeting
Speaker 4: that the combine the fifteen minute player interview and just
Speaker 4: how they vibed, how they syncd up, how they were so.
Speaker 4: In fact, I had a chance recently in an event
Speaker 4: to ask Mani Aspboard and Jonathan Gannett about that, and
Speaker 4: they said, he was the very last interview on a
Speaker 4: day in Indianapolis and they were dragging they had done
Speaker 4: one hundred interviews. Oh my goodness, ten twelve hours. Who's
Speaker 4: the last guy. Oh, it's Garret Williams. And he comes
Speaker 4: in and blew them away. They went from slumped in
Speaker 4: their seat done the edge of their seat and they
Speaker 4: said wow. And when he left the room after his
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes, they looked at each other said move him
Speaker 4: up the board. Yeah, And once again, poully, I'll say
Speaker 4: this right now, they had the tape in their back
Speaker 4: of their head too, is there interviewing this kid. They
Speaker 4: didn't just move them up the board because you know, wow,
Speaker 4: what a nice kid, what a great kid, what great answers?
Speaker 1: He was good. They moved him up the board because
Speaker 1: they already had the tape in their head. And I
Speaker 1: think that is really what I'm talking about right here.
Speaker 1: The medicals, no doubt, about it. MONI that, of course,
Speaker 1: and the interviews that's great, but so much of the time,
Speaker 1: and I think I think the last few years, maybe
Speaker 1: the last three to five years, the NFL, this new
Speaker 1: age football was coming into the National Football League, where
Speaker 1: it was the spread and it was the spread, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, man, you know, it's not nearly
Speaker 1: as important that these guys be as physical as they
Speaker 1: once were. Now it's important that they all can run.
Speaker 1: And that really took over, not just not just here locally,
Speaker 1: but also across the National Football League. A lot of
Speaker 1: GMS forgot because the game was changing. Now the pendulum
Speaker 1: is swinging back again to where you've got to blend
Speaker 1: the old and the new. And you better be physical.
Speaker 1: You better be physical, you better be strong, you better
Speaker 1: be able to tackle, you better be able to block.
Speaker 1: The line of scrimmage once again is back in vogue.
Speaker 1: And because of that, Paul, I really do believe again
Speaker 1: the combine. Yeah, it's important, but not as important as
Speaker 1: the tape.
Speaker 4: Look, the big question in the NFL right here, right
Speaker 4: now is what's the future of Justin Fields. Is he
Speaker 4: staying in Chicago? Are the Bears trading Moway, Are they
Speaker 4: taking Caleb Williams. Even justin Fields today came and said, man,
Speaker 4: I'd just like to know, you know, my future is
Speaker 4: blown in the wind right now. It's tough are they
Speaker 4: gonna trade me or not? And he's probably not gonna
Speaker 4: know for a little while. For the Cardinals, I think
Speaker 4: the big question right now is are they really going
Speaker 4: to go receiver at number four? Because we have yet
Speaker 4: another mock draft Daniel Jeremiah NFL dot Com two point zero,
Speaker 4: and he has a Cardinals going receiver and it's not
Speaker 4: even Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams number one, Drake May number two New England
Speaker 4: and his mock draft is going veteran at quarterback. They
Speaker 4: take Marvin Harrison Junior and Moleak Neighbors goes to the
Speaker 4: Cardinals at number four.
Speaker 1: Do you buy it? Ron Wilheon, Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior, you're telling me he's gone at number three? Right? Yes? Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1: So you know what, Yeah, I would tend to say,
Speaker 1: Okayleak Neighbors maybe a bit of a scratch. Some people
Speaker 1: think he's a top ten talent for the most part,
Speaker 1: and I certainly haven't watched all this tape on him
Speaker 1: at all that I've seen some highlights of them. That's
Speaker 1: what I've seen. I know he's wildly talented right now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could possibly see that because the Arizona Cardinals, they
Speaker 1: do have a need for a wide receiver. Man, that
Speaker 1: the thing, the best thing you can do to help
Speaker 1: Trey McBride as a tight end is get a wide
Speaker 1: receiver that is a number one wide receiver, a true
Speaker 1: number one wide receiver, and bring him in. So okay,
Speaker 1: Mylake Neighbors explosive, no doubt about that. I love the kid.
Speaker 1: But having said that, I certainly hope Marvin Harrison Junior
Speaker 1: is there.
Speaker 4: And there are plenty of mock drafts they have the
Speaker 4: Cardinals taking Marvin Harrison Junior at number four overall, but
Speaker 4: like Lance Zerline has Marvin Harrison Junior going number three,
Speaker 4: and then the Cardinals selecting Roma Doonzay. Yeah, number four, Yes,
Speaker 4: another receiver. I just don't see that happening. I just don't.
Speaker 1: You don't.
Speaker 4: I do not. If Marvin Irrison Junior goes three, then
Speaker 4: a quarterback falls to four, and I think the Cardinals.
Speaker 5: Cash that in.
Speaker 1: I think you're right on that Pauli and.
Speaker 4: They continue to build from the inside.
Speaker 1: Out, and I'd love to see that too.
Speaker 4: Once again by low Sell High. We're talking about the
Speaker 4: NFL Draft the combine. Last year at Kansas City, there
Speaker 4: were over three hundred and twelve thousand fans who attended
Speaker 4: the draft and the TV ratings who were up twelve
Speaker 4: percent versus twenty twenty two. It just keeps growing and expanding.
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Speaker 4: receivers coach Drew Urrell joining us next on the Big
Speaker 4: Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert.
Speaker 3: Snap to Murray, Let's coming urry backing up close into
Speaker 3: the end zone, middle of the end zone, pulled in
Speaker 3: by Wilson for a touchdown.
Speaker 8: I told you all from day one, you know, I
Speaker 8: watched his Senior Bowl and I was like, yeah, the
Speaker 8: kid knows, you know, he knows what he's doing. I
Speaker 8: can tell you know. And then just obviously he had
Speaker 8: zero catches two weeks in a row, and that's not
Speaker 8: you know again, they're not a real representation of you
Speaker 8: know what I think we could beat. Now we'll get
Speaker 8: a full off season on our bilt. You know, I
Speaker 8: think next year, you know, Michael have a big year.
Speaker 4: Of course, Michael's gonna the big year. He wore the
Speaker 4: same number at Stanford as our guest tonight on the
Speaker 4: Big Red Rage presented by Santanford in Gilbert. You didn't
Speaker 4: think I remember that, did you? Drew Terrell, Cardinals passing
Speaker 4: game coordinator, wide receivers coach brush off being the offensive
Speaker 4: coordinator in the East West Shrine Game.
Speaker 5: Drew, welcome, thanks for having me. Good to be back on.
Speaker 4: And the old old Michael Wilson thing. So you wore
Speaker 4: number four and then he wore number four at Stanford
Speaker 4: and uh okay, all right, so there you go.
Speaker 5: He wore it better than me.
Speaker 1: And we never asked you though quickly why did you
Speaker 1: wear number four? Did you pick that or did they
Speaker 1: just give it to you?
Speaker 5: So originally I wanted a single digit. I was a
Speaker 5: smaller body guy I needed I couldn't be out there
Speaker 5: in eighty seven when I first got to Stanford, I
Speaker 5: was number nine, which I shared with Richard Sherman. And
Speaker 5: then there was a game where Sherm and I were
Speaker 5: both on the on the same special teams unit, and
Speaker 5: they had to change my number mid game to four,
Speaker 5: and so I was just like, why don't I mean,
Speaker 5: I'll just keep four, Like it's a single digit. It's
Speaker 5: closer to my high school number. I was two in
Speaker 5: high school. So I was like, I might as well
Speaker 5: just keep four. And they're like, yeah, good idea, you
Speaker 5: can have four.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 4: So that is a that is a collection of personalities.
Speaker 4: Richard Sherman, Yeah, Jim Harbaugh, Andrew Luck true or false?
Speaker 4: Andrew Luck had a photographic memory or not?
Speaker 1: Come on?
Speaker 4: Did he really?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that dude's lights out, top notch athlete, human being, person, guy, teammate,
Speaker 5: He's top notched.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Drew, we got a lot of things we
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about and ask you about,
Speaker 1: of course, but we got to get some things out
Speaker 1: of the way as well. The PAC twelve, what is
Speaker 1: going on? I mean, here, you are a Stanford boy.
Speaker 1: The PAC twelve is no more.
Speaker 5: Hurts my soul.
Speaker 1: It does, right.
Speaker 5: I grew up a die hard Pack twelve fan. I
Speaker 5: grew up a diehard Arizona State fan. To this day,
Speaker 5: I have Rose Bull nineteen ninety six PAC ten Championship
Speaker 5: in Rose bull photos in my house to this day.
Speaker 5: Pat Tillman fan, Jake Plummer fan, you know, knew all
Speaker 5: the players, knew where they were from, die Hard and
Speaker 5: then to see what it's I mean, what it to
Speaker 5: become is is unfortunate. You know, it's sucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bums me out too.
Speaker 4: Chandler Hamilton alum. Drew Trell is our guest. Okay, And
Speaker 4: we might get to the Jim Harbaughs stories a little
Speaker 4: bit later, but let's let's get to the East West
Speaker 4: Shrine game. You're fresh off that you spent the whole
Speaker 4: week out there. Just tell us about the experience and
Speaker 4: what was it luck to be the offensive coordinator?
Speaker 5: Man, it was awesome, you know, selfishly for me it was.
Speaker 5: It was a great opportunity, you know, development opportunity for
Speaker 5: me to you know, call plays, you know, have to
Speaker 5: coordinate an entire offense, you know, lead an entire unit.
Speaker 5: You know, coach some things I haven't you know, I
Speaker 5: don't normally coach on a day to day basis. Talk
Speaker 5: the old line about combinations and you know, tight ends
Speaker 5: about combinations and you know, backs track in the running
Speaker 5: game and kind of do all those things in front
Speaker 5: of the group. Which was awesome. You know, they're not
Speaker 5: things like I said that I do in my day
Speaker 5: to day, but it was good, you know, script and practice,
Speaker 5: you know, coaching the rest of the coaches on what
Speaker 5: I wanted to look like. You know, all those things
Speaker 5: are you know, great practice for me because you know,
Speaker 5: I have aspirations in this league to be a coordinator
Speaker 5: and be a head coach. And you know, the more
Speaker 5: you can get out of your comfort zone and kind
Speaker 5: of do things that you haven't done, prepare you for
Speaker 5: those opportunities. So you know, it was a great opportunity
Speaker 5: for me. You know, I thought it was outstanding and
Speaker 5: I took a lot of things from it.
Speaker 1: Drew of all those things you just mentioned right there
Speaker 1: that go into being an offensive coordinator, what was the
Speaker 1: most difficult for you? What did you like doing the most?
Speaker 1: And what was the most the more difficult?
Speaker 5: Man, that's a great question. I think the thing I
Speaker 5: liked the most, well, two things. I liked speaking in
Speaker 5: front of the entire unit about run game pass game protection.
Speaker 1: So you liked dress offensive year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was just to be honest, it was something
Speaker 5: that I was, you know, nervous about going into it
Speaker 5: because again, It's not something I do in the day
Speaker 5: to day. You know, I talked to the past game guys,
Speaker 5: talk to the quarterback every now and then. You know,
Speaker 5: those are things that have come natural. But you know,
Speaker 5: in front of the entire unit where you're addressing, you know,
Speaker 5: certain things. At first, I was like, man, I you know,
Speaker 5: I hope this goes well. And then it was literally
Speaker 5: I told my wife, it was literally like ten seconds
Speaker 5: before the meeting started. I went in this like zone
Speaker 5: of like, this is what I do, Like I'm I'm
Speaker 5: a coach, like I and.
Speaker 1: The confidence started going, I know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get up there and tell these guys
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was that was, you know, a good experience.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 5: I really enjoyed the process of calling the game, and
Speaker 5: you know, all the all the things that go into that.
Speaker 5: It's you know, it's tough. It's not an easy task.
Speaker 5: You know. People it's easy to sit on your couch
Speaker 5: and be like, oh I did call that player. They
Speaker 5: should have done this.
Speaker 4: Every fan I'm taking call place every fan does.
Speaker 5: But there's there's truly so many things that go into it.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to get into all those things right now,
Speaker 5: But there's before each call comes out of your mouth,
Speaker 5: there's a million things in your mind about you know,
Speaker 5: what you need to do. What effect is this play
Speaker 5: call going to have on the next one? You know,
Speaker 5: I am I getting the right guy involved? Oh I
Speaker 5: shouldn't have called this with this guy in there, or
Speaker 5: I should have got somebody else in there, or I
Speaker 5: hope our quarterback is comfortable with this. It's you know,
Speaker 5: it's literally you know a plethora of things that just
Speaker 5: hit your brain all at once that you've got to
Speaker 5: kind of calm your mind down and make, you know,
Speaker 5: educated decisions in the moment. So I would say that was,
Speaker 5: you know, probably one of the more difficult things but
Speaker 5: also more difficult, but also something I enjoyed a lot.
Speaker 4: Right, we got Drew Terrell, Cardin's passing game coordinator and
Speaker 4: wide receivers coach on So now you move on to
Speaker 4: the draft. Well, first off, you got to see these
Speaker 4: guys not only in the game, but more importantly during
Speaker 4: the practice week.
Speaker 1: How valuable is.
Speaker 5: That, you know, I, you know, I think it's extremely valuable,
Speaker 5: especially uh, you know, throughout the week of practice you
Speaker 5: could to interact with these guys in meetings and see
Speaker 5: what the day to day with them would be like.
Speaker 5: You know, there's a million more practice and meeting opportunities
Speaker 5: throughout the course of a year than games. So you know,
Speaker 5: just being in those situations with them and you know,
Speaker 5: coaching them and see how they respond to certain coaching
Speaker 5: styles and you know, if they can go implement things
Speaker 5: you're teaching throughout the week onto the field, and then
Speaker 5: just see how competitive they are. You know, you get
Speaker 5: the practice periods, the competitive one on one period, the
Speaker 5: seven on seven's, the team drills, watch guys go compete
Speaker 5: and see how they respond to all these situations. So
Speaker 5: I think it's you know, to have an up close
Speaker 5: and personal look. I think it's very valuable.
Speaker 1: So did you have to write any reports for Monty
Speaker 1: asin Ford in the scouting department? Yeah? All these guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so are actually our head coach that was on
Speaker 5: my team, Richard high Tower at the Bears. He he
Speaker 5: did a great job of compiling. So basically all the
Speaker 5: position coaches on either side went through and crafted notes
Speaker 5: on everybody in their position and then HT collected it
Speaker 5: from both sides. So I sent that to those guys
Speaker 5: that just emailed the PDFs or whatever of everybody's notes.
Speaker 4: That's how the Cardinals stumbled on Michael Wilson to a
Speaker 4: large degree last year at the Senior Bowl. So Drew
Speaker 4: Durral is our guests, when you film of college receivers,
Speaker 4: what do you look at first? Or what's most valuable
Speaker 4: to you? What do you what are you looking for
Speaker 4: when you watch film? Because there's all these names of
Speaker 4: all these big time prospects associated with the Cardinals at
Speaker 4: number four, I don't want to get into specific names,
Speaker 4: So I'm curious what you look for and evaluating a
Speaker 4: college receiver.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you know something that I that I
Speaker 5: look for is play speed? Does a guy play fast?
Speaker 5: And that there's there's such a difference between play speed
Speaker 5: and time speed. You can see guys that play with
Speaker 5: confidence and they're trying to get to a spot as
Speaker 5: fast as they can without any wasted movement. They've got
Speaker 5: no fear of what the defense is doing. They're trying
Speaker 5: to get on edges and go fast and get from
Speaker 5: a to be as fast as possible. I think that
Speaker 5: really shows up on tape and with Mike that was
Speaker 5: something that showed up on tape. You know, when he's impressed,
Speaker 5: he's getting on an edge and he's getting to where
Speaker 5: he's supposed to get too fast, because I think that
Speaker 5: that trait always translates to this level. Ball skills, I
Speaker 5: think is a huge thing. Does Does a guy have
Speaker 5: the ability to pluck the ball away from his body
Speaker 5: with other bodies around them? I think that's another thing
Speaker 5: that translates to this level. These guys are used to,
Speaker 5: you know, especially if they're top players, They're used to
Speaker 5: having a great deal of separation in college, and when
Speaker 5: they get to the NFL, guys are gonna be that
Speaker 5: much closer, closer, and you know, it's it's not often
Speaker 5: that you've got three yards of space on a coral
Speaker 5: route or a comeback like, there's gonna be somebody there,
Speaker 5: So can you extend and make plays away from your body?
Speaker 5: If a guy shows that he can do that on
Speaker 5: his college tape, that's a skill that transfers to this level.
Speaker 1: Does a wide receiver in the year twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: of our lord need to be a tough guy to
Speaker 1: play in the NFL?
Speaker 5: Yes, I think they do. I think you've got to have,
Speaker 5: you know, a great deal of mental toughness, probably more
Speaker 5: so than physical toughness. And I think, like if you're
Speaker 5: looking at a guy playing inside the numbers, I think
Speaker 5: if he can pluck the ball away from his body
Speaker 5: with people caving in on him, he's mentally tough as
Speaker 5: well as physically tough because he knows what's going on
Speaker 5: around him. But he's making the conscious decision if I'm
Speaker 5: cackling this ball. But I do think toughness is, you know,
Speaker 5: both physical and mental. And you know obviously the mental
Speaker 5: you don't there's elements of it, like I said, you
Speaker 5: can see on tape, but you've got to dig a
Speaker 5: little deeper to yeah, and press guy's buttons a certain
Speaker 5: way over the process to see exactly where their mental
Speaker 5: toughness is.
Speaker 4: And Michael Wilson made a lot of contested catches in
Speaker 4: his rookie year that definitely stood out. You know, it
Speaker 4: all stood out when Kyler Murray returned to the offense.
Speaker 4: And we can go through all the numbers, but I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, points per game Cardinals went from twenty eighth
Speaker 4: to thirteenth, net yards per game, twenty six to ninth,
Speaker 4: big plays in the passing game from thirtieth to fourteenth
Speaker 4: in the league. So what did you see, especially those
Speaker 4: last three games when it seemed like Kyler Rees started
Speaker 4: to get in sync with the receivers and just the
Speaker 4: entire offense. Are you what are your thoughts based on
Speaker 4: the end of last year going into this season.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you see a kid. You know, when
Speaker 5: Kyler came back, you see a kid that's extremely talented.
Speaker 5: His confidence grew and grew every week. He's a guy
Speaker 5: that you can feel his energy on the field. A
Speaker 5: great reference that I heard a coach I can't I
Speaker 5: can't even remember who said it, but it actually came
Speaker 5: when I was in Carolina when we had Cam Newton,
Speaker 5: and they said, that's the type of guy that tilts
Speaker 5: the field, like you can feel the energy going towards
Speaker 5: him whenever he's on the field. And Kyler has that
Speaker 5: type of charisma about him where you know, you look
Speaker 5: out there at times and he has a look in
Speaker 5: his eye like he you trust that we're gonna go
Speaker 5: score points in that like that last drive against Philly,
Speaker 5: you knew we were going down and scoring to win
Speaker 5: the game. Because he just has that type of energy.
Speaker 5: He tilts the field. Everybody feels it everybody gravitates towards him.
Speaker 5: Guys want to play well for him. He has that
Speaker 5: type of war about him. And I think, you know,
Speaker 5: the more confidence he got in what he was being
Speaker 5: asked to do, you know, and the guys he had
Speaker 5: around him, I think you saw some of those things
Speaker 5: take off, and you know, hopefully that that that transcends
Speaker 5: into the offseason into next year, and I think it will.
Speaker 1: I think there's no doubt about it. This offense was
Speaker 1: evolving and getting so much better at the end of
Speaker 1: the season, in particular the last four or five games
Speaker 1: of the season. I thought you could really see that.
Speaker 1: What do you think is the next step for the
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals offense? What do you think that might look like?
Speaker 8: Drew?
Speaker 5: I think you know it's gonna you mean, the next
Speaker 5: step in terms.
Speaker 1: Of what developing an offense and where it might grow
Speaker 1: and evolve.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we've just got to get you know,
Speaker 5: the continuity of Kyler being out there. You know, you
Speaker 5: get a guy back in the middle of the season
Speaker 5: and guys are kind of in a groove, and then
Speaker 5: there's a quarterback change and you've all there. There's kind
Speaker 5: of a you know, a reacclimation and an adjustment phase
Speaker 5: that has to take place. I think we can we're
Speaker 5: able now to not get started from the foundation level,
Speaker 5: but kind of get into some graduate work in terms
Speaker 5: of the nuances of the offense. And you know, you're
Speaker 5: not talking so much about day one problems, but you're
Speaker 5: talking about week ten problems. You know, maybe different defenses
Speaker 5: you face. And I think there'll be a natural evolution
Speaker 5: to the plays that you know he's comfortable with and
Speaker 5: plays that we've got time on task of. I think
Speaker 5: all that will be, you know, ever evolving and ever growing.
Speaker 5: But you know, to answer your question, I think just
Speaker 5: the continuity of him being under center and the guys
Speaker 5: around him knowing what he expects and you know, what
Speaker 5: his thought process is on certain concepts and things like that.
Speaker 4: Cardinals pass game coordinator Wide receivers coach Drew Terrell here
Speaker 4: on the Big Red Rage Rondel Moore. Would you learn
Speaker 4: about Rondel Moore last year and how big is this
Speaker 4: upcoming season for Rondelle Moore.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you know, like like all our guys, it's
Speaker 5: gonna be you know, a huge year of growth for
Speaker 5: Rondell just because again he he's getting used to our
Speaker 5: coaching styles, he's getting used to his style of offense.
Speaker 5: He's getting used to, you know, the things we're asking
Speaker 5: him to do, and I expect, you know, him to
Speaker 5: make a big jump. You know, there's there's elements of
Speaker 5: the passing game and things like that, you know, we
Speaker 5: would like him to improve on. And he's worked his,
Speaker 5: you know, his butt off over the course of the
Speaker 5: year to improve certain aspects of his game. And you know,
Speaker 5: I only anticipate he'll continue to grow. You know, he's
Speaker 5: a young player who's Uh, the one thing about Royn
Speaker 5: Dall is he wants to be good. You know, he
Speaker 5: wants to be, you know, a top notch player in
Speaker 5: this league. And you know he's he's not afraid to
Speaker 5: put the work in. You know, if Ron Delle you
Speaker 5: go down there in the weight room, Uh, he's in
Speaker 5: there almost every day, you know, even this time of
Speaker 5: year in February. So he's willing to put the work in.
Speaker 5: And you know he'll he'll continue to grow and evolved.
Speaker 1: We only got a few seconds he a coach. But
Speaker 1: the best drill at the combine for a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: what is it? Man?
Speaker 5: I don't know if I can answer that.
Speaker 1: Think about that. It's okay, Yeah, the best. It's something
Speaker 1: that you like to watch for a wide receiver.
Speaker 5: I like to watch the gauntlet drill because I think
Speaker 5: you can see how guys tracking, how effortlessly they plucked
Speaker 5: the football. I think that's a that's a good one.
Speaker 1: All right. I like that.
Speaker 4: And you were recruit at Stanford, and Jim Harbaugh, who
Speaker 4: had already offered you, turn to you and said, what
Speaker 4: when you're a high school player while you're watching them practice,
Speaker 4: you think.
Speaker 5: You got what it takes to make this team. I
Speaker 5: think you can play here. I think so, coach.
Speaker 4: I think so worked out pretty well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Andrew really enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, really, you buddy, and we really look forward
Speaker 4: to this season. By the way, Trey McBride anointed Wolf
Speaker 4: the run game blocking quality control coordinator or something like that,
Speaker 4: because Wolf's so into forget it. We were talking passing
Speaker 4: here in this edition, so that's good. And we continue
Speaker 4: with a big red rage resented by Santan forward in Gilbert.
Speaker 3: Second down and ten on the twenty six of Arizona,
Speaker 3: Strout takes the shot gun stack dropped straight back minus
Speaker 3: fire side picked off had the eighteen yard line by
Speaker 3: Antonio Hamilton. He jumped the round, jumped in front of
Speaker 3: the wide receiver and CJ. Stroud has thrown four picks
Speaker 3: today than he had through the first nine games of
Speaker 3: the season. And the Cardinals have the ball back on
Speaker 3: their eighteen yard line.
Speaker 1: Oh, they dialed it up as well. You gotta be
Speaker 1: kidding me. They came after CJ. Stroud, Antonio Hamilton, man
Speaker 1: on man on the outside against Tank Dell have undercut
Speaker 1: the out run and may the PI.
Speaker 4: Three picks by the Cardinals in that game.
Speaker 2: C J.
Speaker 4: Stroud threw a total of five all season. Remarkable, not
Speaker 4: just the Cardinals defensive takeaways in that game, but the
Speaker 4: entire rookie season. For your NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year,
Speaker 4: see J. Stroud, Antonio Hamilton one of many free agents
Speaker 4: for the Cardinals as they continue to pave the way
Speaker 4: into the future. Monty Assin fort with his first full
Speaker 4: off season and now he knows what he needs, knows
Speaker 4: what he has and we'll see what that means going forward.
Speaker 4: It is a big Red Rage presented by santan Ford
Speaker 4: and Gilbert. Thanks again to Drew Terrell. Cardinals passing game
Speaker 4: coordinator wide receivers coach and we'll see Hollywood Brown obviously
Speaker 4: a big name on this list. Ron Wolfley and I
Speaker 4: think we'd all agree he was much better on film
Speaker 4: than he was in the box score. Maybe, just maybe
Speaker 4: that actually works through the Cardinal's advantage in the off
Speaker 4: season to some degree. Do you think maybe he's a sleeper,
Speaker 4: he's a bit of an unknown, or do you think
Speaker 4: these gems are going to watch the film and maybe
Speaker 4: he gets a bigger offer than the Cardinals are willing.
Speaker 1: To matche Yeah, that's the question right now, PAULI. I
Speaker 1: think he was making fourteen point two million somewhere in
Speaker 1: that regard. You know. For me right now, I don't
Speaker 1: think this is just me. Nobody has given me any
Speaker 1: type of indication. But I don't think that there's going
Speaker 1: to be a massive market for Hollywood Brown. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Because he didn't have great numbers last year.
Speaker 1: He asked, you got to watch the tape, but still
Speaker 1: he didn't have great numbers. And because of that, I
Speaker 1: think the market's not going to be on fire for
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown. And that gives me hope, PAULI, Yes, somehow,
Speaker 1: some way, Manti Ausen Fortney, Arizona Cardinals and Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: can actually talk to Hollywood Brown and get him back here,
Speaker 1: maybe if it's a one year contract on a one
Speaker 1: year deal, right, because I love the thought of having
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown over the top of Trey McBride and maybe
Speaker 1: whoever they take at number four, if it happens to
Speaker 1: be a wide receiver named Marvin Harrison Junior, I'd love
Speaker 1: to see Hollywood Brown over the top of those two guys.
Speaker 1: In particular, just saying.
Speaker 4: Look, we host Jonathan Gannon's TV show, and wol if
Speaker 4: you can agree or disagree, and I know you will,
Speaker 4: But every time he brought up Hollywood Brown or we
Speaker 4: asked him about it, his respect for Hollywood Brown's skill
Speaker 4: set was genuine. Yeah, and he reverts into his defensive
Speaker 4: coordinator mode and said, those are the kind of guys
Speaker 4: who scare me because they can get loose beyond a secondary.
Speaker 4: We have to account for that sort of speed, and
Speaker 4: right now is currently constructed. He's the one guy who's
Speaker 4: a true burner that can keep a secondary.
Speaker 1: Honest, Yes, he is that guy. And once again, this
Speaker 1: is a guy that runs as fast as he needs
Speaker 1: to run to catch the ball. For the most part, right,
Speaker 1: and yet Kyler Murray still has had a couple of
Speaker 1: balls that I know he wanted back because he overthrew
Speaker 1: him a couple of times that should have been a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Actually more than that all season long for Hollywood Brown.
Speaker 4: I had four, I had four five. I mean, it
Speaker 4: was remarkable. It could have looked much different between Josh
Speaker 4: Dobbs and Kyler Murray knocking off the rust, you know,
Speaker 4: and he wasn't available at the end of the year
Speaker 4: when Kyler was finally in sync and the accuracy and
Speaker 4: the anticipation was finally back in full and that Hollywood
Speaker 4: Brown wasn't available because of injuries. So once again, maybe
Speaker 4: just maybe the off season that plays the Cardinals advantage.
Speaker 1: And PAULI, maybe it takes a frontship. Yeah, bring him back.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what it is. We'll see.
Speaker 4: Okay, beyond Hollywood Brown, where do you go next? The
Speaker 4: list of Cardinals free agents. We look, Antonio Hamilton by
Speaker 4: the end of the year, was your best corner. He
Speaker 4: was your number one corner. Now in an ideal scenario,
Speaker 4: he's your number three or number four corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Paully. Look, these guys are a bunch
Speaker 1: of glue guys for the most part. And I was
Speaker 1: a glue guy, so I can actually say that a
Speaker 1: lot of the names that are on here guys who
Speaker 1: are pros, Guys who are gonna go out there and
Speaker 1: do their job. They might not be going to the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, but they're gonna go out there and they're
Speaker 1: gonna give you an opportunity. I like Lacky Foto. I do. Now,
Speaker 1: once again, the injury situation, You've got to bring that
Speaker 1: into consideration as well. What I saw from Carlos Watkins
Speaker 1: last year, I really like that Zeke Turner is a pro.
Speaker 1: This is a guy that plays so well in transition
Speaker 1: on special teams, and he's a pro. He can go
Speaker 1: in and get you out of a game. If he's
Speaker 1: got to come in and be the weak side inside,
Speaker 1: he can do that and get you out of a
Speaker 1: game right there. But for the most part, those guys
Speaker 1: I really really like and would like to see back.
Speaker 4: Do you put Carlos Watkins in LJ. Collier in the
Speaker 4: same category in that two veteran defensive linemen, neither one
Speaker 4: guy out of September, But you and Pash called both
Speaker 4: their names quite a bit when they did play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, LJ. Collier played really really well when
Speaker 1: he was given the opportunity to do it. I was
Speaker 1: pretty jacked up about that combination. But Carlos Watkins I
Speaker 1: thought was more productive, actually more productive when he was
Speaker 1: given the opportunity to play, which really surprised me. I
Speaker 1: don't know about you, Paully, but it surprised me.
Speaker 4: He was buried. He was buried in Dallas. They're deep
Speaker 4: on the defensive line. He really coveted a chance to
Speaker 4: shine and get some reps and then he got hurt.
Speaker 4: Ljkyllier a former first round pick we had on the
Speaker 4: Big Red Rage. You heard how motivated he was the
Speaker 4: last offseason going into the year. So if you can
Speaker 4: come back with one year, prove it deals again.
Speaker 1: Yes, And there's one other deal, one other guy that
Speaker 1: I would like to see out there for the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1: It's got a lot to do with his health. And
Speaker 1: I think you probably know where I'm going on that.
Speaker 1: But Jeff Swain, yep, Jeff swam the mentality. We were
Speaker 1: talking to Ben Steele, the tight ends coach, right here,
Speaker 1: and he was talking about Jeff Swain and the impact
Speaker 1: that Jeff Swain had on that tight end's room just
Speaker 1: because of the pro that he is, because of how
Speaker 1: physical he is when he would play, and the insight
Speaker 1: that he was able to give a young Trey McBride
Speaker 1: was so valuable. So, you know, Jeff, if he's recovered
Speaker 1: from that ACL, I'd love to see him get the
Speaker 1: opportunity to go out and be resigning.
Speaker 4: And look, the punter, Blake Gillikin had a great year,
Speaker 4: ended up number three in punting in the NFL and
Speaker 4: for gross punting average set a team record. So I'm
Speaker 4: guessing they're going to do what they can to try
Speaker 4: and make something happen there. We'll see about that. You
Speaker 4: talked to many assin for it every single week. Do
Speaker 4: you get the sense that he's the kind of guy
Speaker 4: who's going to make a big splash signing in free agency?
Speaker 1: No? I do not, as a matter of fact, and
Speaker 1: I stand in a PLoud. I really do. Now, there
Speaker 1: are some guys that are gonna be game changers, but
Speaker 1: I think you got to really really look hard and
Speaker 1: long as to who those guys are and to what
Speaker 1: degree they're going to change your game. How much money
Speaker 1: are you really going to give somebody? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I can guarantee Monty Assenford isn't a believer in building
Speaker 1: teams via free agency. It's through the draft.
Speaker 4: So even if there's an edge rusher out there, even
Speaker 4: if there's a wrecking ball de tackle.
Speaker 1: Chris Jones by way of example right now, is a possibility. No,
Speaker 1: no way.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're pretty definitive on that one.
Speaker 1: Hey.
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Speaker 4: let's talk about the Cardinals second round pick last year.
Speaker 4: Next and the big red rage presented by santan Ford
Speaker 4: in Gilbert.
Speaker 1: And up up the middle.
Speaker 3: B j o Jalari is there to grab Rodriguez at
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, snapped the Jackson he's gonna throw
Speaker 3: from the pocket looking in trouble, wrapped up.
Speaker 5: And thrown down for a sack.
Speaker 3: Pj Ojalari gets his first sack. The rookie out of
Speaker 3: LSU gets a big sack here on Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: Closed down Lamar Jackson quickly and got the sack. That
Speaker 1: is big time by bj.
Speaker 3: Heinecke playfake in trouble hits hand sacked by bj Ojalari
Speaker 3: back at the ten yard line, a loss.
Speaker 1: Of about ten oh. That is a big sack.
Speaker 3: Back to pass goes Heinikey with time now the pocket
Speaker 3: collapses hed Heinicky sack back at the.
Speaker 1: Nine yard line.
Speaker 3: Bjo Jalari having a breakout game with his second sack
Speaker 3: forcing a punt.
Speaker 1: All the rookie once again would up be denied.
Speaker 4: Back in the locker room, they were calling him two
Speaker 4: sack o Jealari that whole next week as he had
Speaker 4: that breakout game. I think the question now is good
Speaker 4: he following the footsteps of Trey McBride and be your
Speaker 4: breakout player twenty twenty four. It is a big red
Speaker 4: rage presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert. We are Santane Ford,
Speaker 4: Paul calvc Ron Wolf Lean Wolf. We don't agree on much,
Speaker 4: but we do agree that the twenty twenty three breakout
Speaker 4: player for the Cardinals was most definitely Trey McBride. Yes,
Speaker 4: that's not even close.
Speaker 1: Not even close.
Speaker 4: What about bgo Jalari as a candidate for next season
Speaker 4: based on what you saw in half a season from
Speaker 4: the second round run.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Pauli, I would agree with you. Right now.
Speaker 1: I think he's the leader in the clubhouse in terms
Speaker 1: of my expectation for his improvement this year. I really
Speaker 1: do believe he's got everything you need to be an
Speaker 1: effective edge player, A very good edge player for a
Speaker 1: long time in the National Football League. How good, I
Speaker 1: don't know. There's so many things have to come into
Speaker 1: play right now, but I'll guarantee you what beach glare
Speaker 1: experience last season is going to build confidence in him.
Speaker 1: He didn't have a fourteen sacks season, as we all know.
Speaker 1: He had four sacks on the season, but I really
Speaker 1: thought at the end of the season Bjogelaari really came
Speaker 1: around and because of that, I expect him to have
Speaker 1: a very solid year number two. What that means, Pauli
Speaker 1: and what that looks like, I do not know, But
Speaker 1: I do know this. The kid loves football and cares
Speaker 1: about getting better. And because of that, once you mix
Speaker 1: that with the fact that he's got the physical skills
Speaker 1: to do the job, my expectation is he's going to
Speaker 1: be a starter on the edge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, those four sacks in the last ten games. He
Speaker 4: had six quarterback hits, he had a pass defense, he
Speaker 4: had five tackles for loss. He had thirty five tackles.
Speaker 4: What'd you think about him against the run, because if
Speaker 4: there was one knock that supposedly allegedly knocked him out
Speaker 4: of the first round into the top of the second
Speaker 4: with a Cardinals snagged him last year, was that Okay,
Speaker 4: maybe the run defense wasn't quite NFL caliber, but would
Speaker 4: you think in watching him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, for the most part, I thought bj
Speaker 1: got better at that as well, in terms of setting
Speaker 1: the edge, and that's something you've absolutely got to have
Speaker 1: out of that edge player. He's got to be somebody
Speaker 1: that is physical, and I thought he got better at that.
Speaker 1: Once again, Paul, it's very similar to Trey McBride. Trey
Speaker 1: McBride his rookie year. You know what he looked. He
Speaker 1: looked a little unsure, looked a little unsure of what
Speaker 1: it was that he was doing. I think you could
Speaker 1: say the exact same thing for Bjojealari looked a little
Speaker 1: unsure as to what he was doing. I think year
Speaker 1: number two, he's going to be a lot more sure
Speaker 1: of what he's doing, and I think you could see
Speaker 1: how that helped Trey McBride, and I think that's gonna
Speaker 1: help bj Ojelari as well.
Speaker 4: Now that's a great observation because towards the end of
Speaker 4: the year, Trey McBride did admit to the media that
Speaker 4: it was a confidence thing for him, and then once
Speaker 4: he started making plays, he proved it to himself so important.
Speaker 4: And then Kyler started trusting him and their chemistry developed. So, okay,
Speaker 4: maybe you have the inburse of that with bjo Jalari.
Speaker 4: Here's this position coach Rob Rodriguez the end of this season,
Speaker 4: when he was asked about the progress of the second round.
Speaker 9: Rookie, that kid has had to work so hard, and
Speaker 9: people don't realize that's why rookies who come into this
Speaker 9: league don't just jump in here and start rushing the passers,
Speaker 9: because they need to learn how to rush with the
Speaker 9: proper angles. You can't just run around people in this league.
Speaker 9: You're not gonna play a Division one double a team
Speaker 9: every four weeks and get a couple of Success's not
Speaker 9: how it works.
Speaker 1: You have to fight.
Speaker 9: You're playing against the best every week. That kid has
Speaker 9: had to get healthy. He's had to mature in this
Speaker 9: league and he's had to learn those things.
Speaker 1: And it is a child by fire.
Speaker 9: It's an uncomfortability for such a long period of time,
Speaker 9: some guys can.
Speaker 1: Start to doubt themselves.
Speaker 9: This guy's had such a great head on his shoulders
Speaker 9: and he's just worked his butt off.
Speaker 1: There you go, there it is, Paul. You know what
Speaker 1: that he's got a great head on his shoulders right there,
Speaker 1: and he's gotta work his butt off. You know what,
Speaker 1: You need to be trial by fire, isn't that right, Coach?
Speaker 1: You need to go ahead and actually be set on fire.
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, you need to be
Speaker 1: melted a little bit. And now you need to become malleable.
Speaker 1: And then we're going to pour you into this and
Speaker 1: you're going to take the shape of the culture of
Speaker 1: this football team. It is. It is so obvious to
Speaker 1: me because everything that I experienced as a rookie, this
Speaker 1: is what I think bjo Jelai is experiencing as well.
Speaker 1: And it all comes back to the confidence question. And
Speaker 1: I think his confidence will grow significantly.
Speaker 4: And when he looks at will Anderson Junior, who is
Speaker 4: your NFL defensive rookie of the year. Guess what, b
Speaker 4: Joe Jilari was a notch behind Will Anderson in every
Speaker 4: single collegiate category over his three year career. Those two
Speaker 4: guys in the SEC wreaked havoc. So maybe b Joe
Speaker 4: Gilauri after have a short and offseason last year, right,
Speaker 4: even some of his Combine and Pro Day workouts were
Speaker 4: hampered by injury, couldn't participate in a lot of camp.
Speaker 1: Because my biggest question I think going forward Pauly is
Speaker 1: can he stay healthy.
Speaker 4: And do they get him some help? Where do they
Speaker 4: go in the draft. Maybe they got to me if
Speaker 4: they go somewhere in free agency, it's either going to
Speaker 4: be edge or it's going to be corner. Maybe defense,
Speaker 4: because there's two things in the NFL quarterback get to
Speaker 4: the quarterback. Cardinals had one sack in the last six
Speaker 4: games and it was when Justin Field stepped out of bounds.
Speaker 4: So they obviously need to ramp that up. And I
Speaker 4: think that Jonathan Gannon knows that very well. He came
Speaker 4: from a defense where they led the NFL in sacks
Speaker 4: and it wasn't even close. They had seventy sacks. So
Speaker 4: it makes me wonder, is Jonathan Gannon even running the
Speaker 4: defense he wants to run. Does he even have the
Speaker 4: personnel to run what he wants to run?
Speaker 1: Question?
Speaker 4: With eleven picks and forty to fifty million to spend
Speaker 4: in free agency, I think they have to improve outside linebacker,
Speaker 4: edge rusher, and defensive line.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, is Manti asin fort ready to do
Speaker 1: that right now? Is ready to say, you know what,
Speaker 1: who we are there, we're there, this this draft class
Speaker 1: coming in right now, and the free agents that we're
Speaker 1: going to go out there and acquire and sign, we're there,
Speaker 1: and that means we need to go out and we
Speaker 1: need to spend this money going forward. I wonder if
Speaker 1: he feels like that is a situation where he's going
Speaker 1: to push all his chips and at the center of
Speaker 1: the table right now.
Speaker 4: I wonder when the Cardinals went into Soldier Field and
Speaker 4: you saw what Montes Sweat did for the Bears defense,
Speaker 4: It's what Chandler Jones did for the Cardinals years ago.
Speaker 4: You bring in that premiere marquee pass rusher. It's sort
Speaker 4: of like, and I made this analogy and I'll share
Speaker 4: this with you. It's when the Dbacks finally got that
Speaker 4: closer and everyone else in the bullpen took their role. Yep,
Speaker 4: if you can get that marquee edge rusher, you bring
Speaker 4: that guy in. And the Bears gave him a high
Speaker 4: second round pick and paid Montes what a boatload of money.
Speaker 4: But he's in his prime and he ended up being
Speaker 4: a twelve and a half sack guy. And guess what
Speaker 4: the entire it was the rising tide that lifted that
Speaker 4: entire Bears defense the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: Well, there are certain guys from the Eagles and heat.
Speaker 1: They shall go unmentioned, of course on this show.
Speaker 4: I mean a former Cardinal first round pick.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, who are unhappy?
Speaker 4: I believe, yes, or at least uneppy with his deal.
Speaker 4: So look, whether it's that, whether it's the Cardinals trade
Speaker 4: out of four and they go back to ten, eight
Speaker 4: or ten or twelve and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: Alabama edge rusher Dallas Turner is there. I could see
Speaker 4: something like that. Look, there's no edge rusher at least
Speaker 4: based on the current mock drafts that is worthy of
Speaker 4: the number four pick overall, right, same with cornerback, right
Speaker 4: or I think the Cardinals will definitely be a candidate
Speaker 4: for one or the other at number four. That's just
Speaker 4: not the case, which might, in my opinion, increase the
Speaker 4: odds the trade out and go for that defensive lineman
Speaker 4: or edge rusher more in the middle of the first round.
Speaker 1: Right, I would agree with that as long as Marvin
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior isn't sitting there, Paul. I mean, why in
Speaker 1: the world would you take a tree that is running
Speaker 1: in the secondary? Take a tree and try to chop
Speaker 1: him down, Paul? Why would you do that when Kyler
Speaker 1: would appreciate that tree running across the secondary.
Speaker 4: All right, here's a tree who can run. Zavian Collins.
Speaker 4: Give me your thoughts on Zavion Collins and what you
Speaker 4: think his future is with the Ears on the Cardinals
Speaker 4: because his contract situation hangs in the house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. First of all, listen, you know how
Speaker 1: he loves Abon. I mean, we all do. The guy
Speaker 1: is an excellent, excellent dude and a guy that I
Speaker 1: think needs to be returned to Mike Linebacker. I don't
Speaker 1: think the edge is where he belongs, and I don't
Speaker 1: think that is his future right now, and honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't expect him to have that fifth year here.
Speaker 4: Interesting, and you know what if you put him back
Speaker 4: there with Kaizier White. That would be intriguing.
Speaker 5: Perhaps.
Speaker 4: Who knows what the future of Josh Woods Chris Barnes
Speaker 4: is exactly. Both are free agents, so okay, something to
Speaker 4: chew on right there.
Speaker 1: Hey.
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