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Speaker 1: Welcome in. I'm Doug Gliman. This is all ball special

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Speaker 1: treat for you. The head coach of Grand Canyon, not

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Speaker 1: not Bryce True will get Bryce in the coming weeks. UM.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Molly Miller. She's in her mid thirties,

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Speaker 1: she's a mom of two, and she's an unbelievable coach.

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Speaker 1: Full disclosure, My brother Greg, who you've heard in the pod,

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Speaker 1: is h an assistant coach there, and he'll be discussed

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Speaker 1: a bunch in terms of, uh, some of the fun

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Speaker 1: stuff the staff is doing, um individually and how they

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Speaker 1: put together a team. But she's she's had an amazing

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Speaker 1: rise to prominence from being, um, you know, an assistant

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Speaker 1: at Drury College at the head coach Jury College here.

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Speaker 1: The last two years there they only lost two games combined.

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Speaker 1: They didn't lose the game. Um. After winning the conference

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Speaker 1: championship and then the pandemic structs they never went to

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Speaker 1: the n A i A National championship that year. She

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Speaker 1: comes to Grand can and immediately turns things around. And UM,

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Speaker 1: you know, if if not for eligibility requirements, you know,

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Speaker 1: it could have been right there to go to the

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Speaker 1: tournament in their first year. I think more interestingly is

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Speaker 1: the style of play in which she plays, where it's

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Speaker 1: kind of a used out right full court man, a

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Speaker 1: playing fast, advancing the basketball, shooting quickly like it's how

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Speaker 1: you played or how teams played when we were kids.

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Speaker 1: And by large, nobody plays that way in the men's game.

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Speaker 1: Very few play that way in the women's game. But

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Speaker 1: she's been able to do it and do it really,

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Speaker 1: really well. She was one of the finalists for the

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Speaker 1: Bailor job. She's just an interesting, really enjoyable person to

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Speaker 1: it's crazy to think that, you know, as there is

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Speaker 1: a continuing push for women to be involved in the

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Speaker 1: men's game across the landscape of the NBA, and of

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Speaker 1: course there's some female assistance in college basketball, there's the

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Speaker 1: at some point, at some point, a woman is going

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Speaker 1: to become a head coach in men's college basketball. Could

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Speaker 1: it be Molly Miller. I'm gonna ask her, so I

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Speaker 1: think you'll enjoy it. Um, I'll do some NBA on

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Speaker 1: a different pod. It just doesn't feel like it fits

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Speaker 1: the Kyrie stuff. The Ben Simmons stuff we've done that.

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Speaker 1: You can listen to er Pincaus who who joined us

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Speaker 1: um two pods ago. He's really good. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: let's catch up. This is the head coach of Grand Canyon,

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Speaker 1: Molly Miller. I live from her Placial office, the Great

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Speaker 1: Molly Miller. So, okay, there's a bunch of things I

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Speaker 1: want to get to. Let me start at the beginning. Okay,

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Speaker 1: because what I know, like you know, you can read

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Speaker 1: and obviously talking to my brother, it works for you. Um,

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Speaker 1: you played for your dad in a right Okay, So

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Speaker 1: growing up where what's he? What's he doing for a living? Um,

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Speaker 1: tell me about this these first days of playing basketball. Um,

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Speaker 1: sports junkie. He did it all. Um. He played football

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Speaker 1: and actually transferring to Missouri State and kind of did

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Speaker 1: the same thing. And he was like a handball champion.

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Speaker 1: But he loved the game of basketball, like inter murals

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Speaker 1: every I mean, he was just, um, do you really

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Speaker 1: it's SMS. It's like I know the Missouri State for

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Speaker 1: for for a while now, but it's still Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: Missouri State University back in Okay. So you grew up Springfield,

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Springfield, Missouri. Um, so coming to Phoenix was

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Speaker 1: I think I've I've learned a lot of that from him.

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Speaker 1: He's very inspiring. UM, and the reverse psychology trick is

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Speaker 1: always a good one to use on my kids. Now.

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Speaker 1: So um, okay, So Jackie, how old were you in

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Speaker 1: Jackie Styles sms? Oh gosh, Um, I was probably about twelve. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So for for people who have forgotten, what was how big?

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Speaker 1: Because Jackie Styles was the is it Kelsey Plump like

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Speaker 1: just unheard of. Her work ethic was beyond. But look

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Speaker 1: State when it behave Missouri's great for an assistant as

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Speaker 1: in terms of your relationship. Well, I'm the older one,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we were marching to a national championship. I'm

429
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: not sure anyone could have contended. We were just stacked

430
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 1: and had the experience and had the talent and had

431
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 1: the will the kind of that fire in our bellies.

432
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: So at COVID that was rough. Um. I still I

433
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 1: don't know if we'll ever get closure, because that's something

434
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 1: that not a lot of coaches will get to experience. Ants.

435
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: Um in there before was where and went it was

436
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: that we competed in the conference championships. So we won

437
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 1: the conference championship for the fourth straight year. You know

438
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: that that never been done in history, and um, we're

439
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: about to play. We were going to host the regional

440
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 1: round the next three games, so that was something that

441
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: was huge. You had to earn that in in Division two,

442
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 1: so we were first in the region, first in the nation.

443
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 1: We were actually at our shoot around, like our practice

444
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 1: before the game and um my, A d taps me

445
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: on the shoulder and kind of tells me and it's

446
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: like unbelievable at this point, Like no, okay, let me

447
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: know if you have any updates, like we're going to

448
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: contain like there's no way this thing is getting canceled. Um.

449
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: But now it's like, yeah, they just talked about it,

450
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: and you know, they're shutting everything down. And so it

451
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: was a blessing that all we were all there at

452
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: the same time. We didn't have to, like part of

453
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: them saw on social media, had to make individual phone

454
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: calls or call of meeting and they're wondering why. So

455
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: we stopped practice. We got in a circle and bawled

456
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: our eyes out, like it was just traumatic. So, um,

457
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: when did you become aware of the g CU job? Um?

458
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: I got a call um from the search firm and

459
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: it was actually like, hey, here's this job, and honestly,

460
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: my mind right there. That was like a week or

461
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: so after, you know, the devastating cancelation of the tournament.

462
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: Um so in complete, honestly and transparency. Initially I was like,

463
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: you know, I got some month in it. Thank you

464
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: so much, you know for even considering me. But like

465
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 1: I it was raw for me. I was still very emotional.

466
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 1: I was like we've got unfinished business here, Like I'm

467
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: going to come back with these kids and we're gonna

468
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: go compete for a national championship. And honestly, that's I

469
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: think that's a good thing. That that motivated me more

470
00:23:55,640 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: than level or money or making the jump. UM. So

471
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 1: I was really motivated by winning with the people that

472
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: I knew I could recruit and wanted to recruit and

473
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: could do it the right way. UM. So I was

474
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: kind of like that for now. Um. And then I got,

475
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, another call like, hey, let's like kind of

476
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: talk through some of this. And I educated myself and

477
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: I thought that was fair to okay, listen that what

478
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: could that hurt? Thank goodness, you know I did because

479
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: I realized that this is kind of maybe I could

480
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: make an impact on an even broader scale and have

481
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: a bigger reach at this point. Um. And the more

482
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: I got to know about GCU and kind of the

483
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: mission of the school and the standards that really aligned

484
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: with my personal beliefs. And so that was something that

485
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: initially attracted me. And I just found out more and

486
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: more and more about like the bells and whistles, the resources,

487
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: the facilities, the commitment to basketball. I mean, here we

488
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 1: are the marquee sport. Um. And to me then that

489
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: was a place I could win at, and so it

490
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: made a lot of sense. It was a nerve wrecking

491
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: jump to leave your alma mater, leave a place you've

492
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: been your whole life, and moved to a completely different

493
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: part of the country. But what a great experience I've

494
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: had so far. And it's just been a real treat

495
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: to be able to come here and um, expand my

496
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: knowledge and my wings and get out of my comfort

497
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: box a little bit and try to make an impact

498
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: here and and put GC women's basketball on the map. Um. Okay.

499
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: So when you're going to install your system, any talking

500
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: about terms, So the basics of it are defensively, you're

501
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: picking up man a man full court base herding. Yes,

502
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: I do you have a person on the ball or

503
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: they in the back? Um there they can do either, um,

504
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: And a lot of it is just kind of instinct.

505
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: There might be a quick basket and they're right there

506
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: and they can turn over the ball, or typically on

507
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: some more dead ball situations will maybe put them behind

508
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: the first line so they can protect the long ball.

509
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: But there's a bunch of different tweaks we can do.

510
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: But the yeah, the basic premise is we want to

511
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: make it hard for them to get the ball in.

512
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: Once it is in, we want to kind of coax

513
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: them to a trap whatever that means. And um, that

514
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: could mean, you know, your man's behind the line the ball,

515
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: you can put a little bit more pressure. That could

516
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: mean they can't see you and they're making a turn

517
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: and their heads, Um, you're their backs to you, or

518
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: you're you're so close you could guard to you know,

519
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: which it might not be a full on trap, but

520
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of technique involved. People see like, oh,

521
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: this is just a running jump system. It's like so

522
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: much more than that. But it's so much it's organized

523
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: chaos and we work on it daily and we really

524
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: practice the details, which I know people always say like

525
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: the devil's in the details. You focus on the details.

526
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: This really is like broken down to even how are

527
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: like hand positioning is like are they straight? Are they bent?

528
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: Are they closed? Are they why? What I mean? It

529
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: is a wide athletic like I want to see on

530
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: like webbed fingers are so spread out and strong, So

531
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: we deny the crossover because we want kids to turn

532
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: their back. So, um, you know, I call it an

533
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: extended measuring stick. So we're really extended with our our

534
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: dig hand to deny that crossover, and the other hands

535
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: really wide trying to hassle any passing lanes. Um. So

536
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: as long as you and the premises you want to

537
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: deny the crossover. If you can deny that quickest move

538
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: in basketball, then they have to do something else which

539
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: is a little bit slower and be you have a

540
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: chance for someone else to come in and trap them

541
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: on a change of direction move. Um, if it's not

542
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: a crossover. So you know, you spend hours working on

543
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: on ball defense and what that looks like before you

544
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: even get to the trap, because that has to be

545
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: right for you know, you kind of build layers on

546
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: this defense, so you really have to get it right

547
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: layer by layer before you move on. How do you

548
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: how do you have transition defense? Like your point guard

549
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: always back and then the big guard the ball or

550
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: the whoever's back is back, Like, how do how does

551
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: that work? Yeah? I mean offensively, we're doing a little

552
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: bit of motion. So you'll typically have one guard that's

553
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: there at the top of the key. But we know

554
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: who our best defenders are. We want them to get

555
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: up and I call big dog. We want them to

556
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: big dog the ball right away. So Um, you know,

557
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: you kind of are aware of who you want your

558
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: ball hawks to be, just on the ball, working it

559
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: um and then transition defense wise, I mean we'll we'll

560
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: sprint back and find, but we're always picking up the ball.

561
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: So I think we always tend to slow teams down

562
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: initially so they don't really get into a quick transition flow.

563
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: So we're always looking for that ball um to stop

564
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: and then you know, our best defender kind of work

565
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: that ball down the floor, and then everyone else is

566
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: in the passing lanes really making it hard. And they're

567
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: not really even at that point off to the ball

568
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: too much. They're really job is to not let their

569
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: man catch. So we rely a lot on our on

570
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: ball defense and not getting beat there. Um. Now, once

571
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: they get into the half court will go more of

572
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: shell like gaps and help side and all that. But

573
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: initially on the way down, we want to make any

574
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: entry paths super difficult. Um. Okay, So then offensively you

575
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: want to advance the basketball, like that's your's big point

576
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: of emphasis, right, So I mean I always talk with

577
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 1: your brother. My staff were like, gosh, we want them

578
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: to play so hard on defense that they might take

579
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: breaks on offense, Really they can't because we want to

580
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: run a transition. So you know, condition is a big

581
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: deal around here too, So how do you Okay, so

582
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: let's let's start with the with the conditioning. How do

583
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: you how can you condition? Because like you know, when

584
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: we played, everybody always say like, you can run as

585
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: much you want, doesn't get your basketball shape, right, So

586
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: how is it? Is it a prius? Are you doing both?

587
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: You're still running now seasons going on, you're still doing

588
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: running and having practice for basketball conditioning. How do you

589
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: how do you continue to build on the conditioning from

590
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: the preseason, I mean preseason you are working some off

591
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: court stuff. But we saw it yesterday. We're like, gosh,

592
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: we're not in shape yet. But we could probably could

593
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: go out and run a six thirty mile, but we're

594
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: not in basketball shape. What we're doing, the nature of

595
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: how we play will tend to get you into shape

596
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: because we play so hard and so fast. So, um,

597
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: even the drills we do, they're going to be you know,

598
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: pretty pretty tiring for the kids. Um, But right now,

599
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: we talked we need to get up and down more.

600
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: So at the end of every practice, we're gonna try

601
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: to scrimmage a lot and do. It might look a

602
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: little sloppy than we want it too, so we might

603
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: want to say we're not ready for scrimmaging. But purely

604
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: from a conditioning standpoint, getting up and down and feeling

605
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: that pace, UM, we're going to start to just roll

606
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: the ball out a little bit and let him playing,

607
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: get up and down live, just to get that basketball

608
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: conditioner you referenced in UM. What is it like to

609
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: take over a new club like? UM? Obviously all different

610
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: levels are different, but again you look across the hall

611
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: and Brice, you know, he's actually maybe coming down a

612
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: level from Vanderbilt, but he has he has a huge name,

613
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: he has a huge presence. But he's also he's taking

614
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: over somebody else's club. That's different and unique for you.

615
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: You have a completely different style your relative unknown. Um.

616
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: There's more girls on scholarship than our guys in scholarships,

617
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: so there's more and um, and we're in. You know,

618
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm just interested in terms of coaching players that you

619
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: did not recruit. What's that experience been like? You know,

620
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: when I first got the job, I just knew that

621
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: the most important thing that I could get from these

622
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: kids was trust, and if they trusted me, they'd buy in.

623
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: So COVID actually was a big blessing in disguise. I thought,

624
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: taking over a program and a pandemic where I couldn't

625
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: like literally get my hands on them and get on

626
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: the court and show them what the brand looks like,

627
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna be so far behind. But I think it

628
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: naturally made us talk a little bit more. I mean,

629
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: we had zooms. I was in Missouri, they were in

630
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: Arizona or Spain or like wherever home was. And so

631
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: for me, we just talked a lot, and then I

632
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: showed a lot of game film, like this is how

633
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna play. So they had a really good under

634
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: standing and foundation of what it was gonna look like,

635
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: and I got them excited about it. I'm like, look

636
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: at all your faces. You all have the opportunity. This

637
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: isn't a team that's only gonna go seven deep, you

638
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: know in February March, like a lot of teams do.

639
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: This is a team that's going to have to rely

640
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: on a lot of players to come in and play,

641
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: so all of you have the opportunity. So I think

642
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: that initially was like, Oh, this style is gonna be

643
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: fun because I'm going to get a chance to be

644
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: on the court. Everyone wants to play. That's where a

645
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: lot of these kids happiness derives fround. I mean, don't

646
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: get a lot of you know, complaints if but how

647
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: do you balance that out with now your star players

648
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: aren't me to play as as long and um. In

649
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: addition to that, they might not put up the numbers

650
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: because they won't have the volume because it shared so

651
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: much based upon the pace of play and style of play. Yeah,

652
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think at this level, I'm not dealing

653
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: with pros, you know, the ones that will go to

654
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: the next level, and so you want They were they

655
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: were like, I need a breather, And I always say like, hey,

656
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: you need a breather, come back out, let me know

657
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: when you're ready, and probably there's a next person up

658
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: for a breather. So it's really a good rotation and

659
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: they enjoy it because it's kind of a dominating style.

660
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna you come up imposing your will

661
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: that the team has to beat you at the way

662
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: that you play. I think, um, when they start scouting you,

663
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: you're already ahead on the scoreboard. They dread the pressure,

664
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: they dread what's coming. And so I think our kids

665
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: enjoy that, you know, it's see what's funny about it?

666
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: And I don't know how you were as a player.

667
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: I mean personally, anybody played that way. It was over,

668
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,959
Speaker 1: it was wrapped like you could not couldn't press me.

669
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: So I would have the opposite. But I do know

670
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: that that that when it's when you when you just

671
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: keep coming at somebody in waves, waves and waves, um,

672
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: I think that that can definitely wear you down, not

673
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: just physically but also also mentally. Um. Okay, so now

674
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: you're you're only entering year two. Okay, So turning over

675
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: a program to look like your program normally takes a

676
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: couple of years. The difference obviously is the transfer portal.

677
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: You've lost some, you've gained some. Um how close to

678
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: the roster composition is what you ultimately envisioned? Are you

679
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: right now? You know? For us we have a lot

680
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: of um new bodies. This year we have ten new ones.

681
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: It was unique because when I got here they did

682
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: not have a class, so they hadn't signed any freshman

683
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: so ZrO and then this was like in April May.

684
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: So initially I was like, oh, oh goodness, like we

685
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: we don't have twenty class um. But now that I

686
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: kind of reflect, I'm trying to look at it as

687
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: a positive, although it would have been nice to have.

688
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: You know, you know that you're you have a class

689
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: and right now our classes are a little uneven, so

690
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: we need to try to even them out. But you know,

691
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: I brought into freshmen and they both started, so I'm like, Okay,

692
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: this is a this is a good start. And Tierra

693
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: Brown like she she's going to be one of the

694
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: best player is in the conference and she fits this

695
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: system to a t and she'll be a sophomore this year.

696
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: And I think for for me, I'm still it was

697
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: kind of almost a lost recruiting year for the twenty twos.

698
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: And I think we have some great twenty two. In fact,

699
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: we've got the number ten player in Texas coming um.

700
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: But we've got a lot of great um foundational pieces

701
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: to build on. Now, you know, you just kind of

702
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: need that next level athlete. Now that I'm in Arizona

703
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: and we can finally get out, I want to recruit regionally.

704
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: You know, I was relying on some of my Midwest ties,

705
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: which is not a bad thing. I love Midwest basketball

706
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: player and their hard nos. But if we've got great

707
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: kids here in our backyard, I want to keep them

708
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: in our backyard. So you're still looking to evolve a

709
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 1: little bit. I think finally in this twenty three class,

710
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: I've been settled. Now we can get out and see.

711
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: I think that's when you'll really start to be able

712
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: to turn into what you really want as players that

713
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: complement the system. But I was fortunate enough to inherit

714
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: really great players. I mean are our guards and even

715
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: the post players that that I inherited, they fit into

716
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: the system like and they were excited for the system.

717
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, this is what we played in high

718
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: school or this this is what I played, and you've

719
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: all so I was really fortunate, and I told those kids,

720
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want you. I inherited you, and

721
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: you already here. I didn't recruit you, but now you're

722
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: my kids. You're my kids. And I think that can

723
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: happen sometimes is oh, you know, maybe she doesn't want

724
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: us or care about us because she didn't recruit us.

725
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: And that's actually quite opposite. And I think even the

726
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: returners um from from previous before I got here, they

727
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: feel like they are meant for this system. I mean,

728
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: I would go recruit them again because they they've learned

729
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: the system and play it so well. So, UM, I

730
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: got very fortunate just being able to. I had to

731
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: flip their mindset a little bit because you know, they

732
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: were about in the fifties, low sixties and possessions per

733
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: game and I had come from jury were like nineties.

734
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: So you know, you had to flip their mindset. But

735
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: they're very capable and able to play the system, which

736
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: was fun, and they bought in which was even more fun.

737
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: You know, the mid year, they're like, coach Miller, we've

738
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: never been number one in the nation and anything, and

739
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: here we are a number one in the nation and

740
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: turnovers forced and number two and steals. So they had

741
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: some fun with it, and then they saw that it works,

742
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: and so then they latched onto it and they were

743
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: excited to play that type of system. How are you

744
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: a mom of two and doing? Um? I wish I

745
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: could clone myself. I'll tell you that right now. Let

746
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: me know when that technology is available. But you try

747
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: to blend them both. It's hard because okay, okay, well

748
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if I'm going to coach

749
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: there anytime soon. And I like Arizona, um, But for me,

750
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: it was how do I blend the two? And it's

751
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: hard because you feel like every especially as the head coach,

752
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: everyone needs your attention and I really want to elevate

753
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: this program. So my external fairs are vast. You know.

754
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get on podcasts and do clinics and

755
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: do pre game for the son's went to the Diamondbacks game.

756
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: You know, just do all those things externally that's required

757
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: of the head coach. But then I also want to

758
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: show attention to my biological children but also the seventeen

759
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: other children that I have from my basketball family. So um,

760
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: it's a lot, but you know, I feel like I've

761
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: got the energy to do it. I've got the passion

762
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: to do it, um as much as I can bring

763
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: my child Like, okay, so like what time do you

764
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: get up in the morning. Well, I'm doing seventy five hard,

765
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: I know. You know that with your brother, Um, we're

766
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: doing that. So you have to get two workouts in,

767
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: So you try to get a workout in before the

768
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: kids wake up. My kids, that's what time? So what

769
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: time you get up? Six ish? Okay? You do alarm

770
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: or you automatically roll up. No, I've got to do

771
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: an alarm. I mean I'm not tired. Okay, so six

772
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: you roll out and I'm sure your husband's like, yeah,

773
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: thanks waking me up with your alarms. And right now,

774
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: so outside dogs are my my my jam at six? Okay,

775
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: So you get up at six, you go a run,

776
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: so well it's our I mean forty five minutes is

777
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: what we have to do. But you know you get

778
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: cool down and warm up in their hour, So so

779
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: how how far do you run in that that period time?

780
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: Now you're grueling me like this is embarrassing, So I

781
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: know it's not like I don't I don't run unless

782
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm chased. Okays amazing. Four point eight not eight foot

783
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: four point eight miles is amazing. Four point eight kilometers

784
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: is amazing. I think that's like, remember I have a tour.

785
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: I tore my a c L like I'm not I still,

786
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm like a month away from being clear, three weeks

787
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 1: away from being cleared to run. So but I wouldn't

788
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: run anyway, Like I don't know why anybody runs, but

789
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: I do. Like, okay, so you roll back in. It's

790
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: seven fifteen, is right, my daughters are up. Yes, Um,

791
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: and my husband's great, Derek's awesome. He'll like get them

792
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: breakfast and everything. Sometimes it depends on the day because

793
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: me and Greg have this thing, will do some yoga.

794
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: We're liking yoga now, Um there's an evening class. But

795
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: I also if need to, like if I know my

796
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: days long and I need to hammer out my two workouts.

797
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: Like we live right by the gym, so I'll jog

798
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: to the gym and I'll do my forty five minutes

799
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: of weights. So sometimes it could be eight or seven,

800
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: but um, Crosby has to go to school at eight

801
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: if I don't do my run early. We live by

802
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: the school, so we'll job and Crosby to school if

803
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: I have time. If I don't like and have a

804
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: work obligation or something. So the mornings are kind of flexible.

805
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: But I try to get my workouts in the mornings

806
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: and my um, and then your your kids, well what

807
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: what what do they like? What do they eat? Yeah, like,

808
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: like I remember that age, mine were pancakes, waffles, like

809
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: it was a big breakfast every day, or cheerios whatever.

810
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: And then that's the hard part is and you're trying

811
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: to manage the diet is you come in, you're hungry

812
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: and there's like a bunch of food sitting and you're like,

813
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's kid food and you pick

814
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: it up right. It's very normal. My kids actually are

815
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: phenomenal eaters, Like they love salmon, like they live eggs

816
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: and um, spinach and peppers, like they're really good. In fact,

817
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: right that out, that ride that out, because once they

818
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: get to taste gets the taste the sugar, they're just

819
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: like no, no, no. And I heeded my mom's advice.

820
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: She was like, do not give them sugar. You know

821
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: when they get into school you probably can't. So my

822
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: five year old the first time she had like a cupcake,

823
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: she was four, like in school. And my my one

824
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: and a half year old still hasn't had ice cream

825
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: cupcake because they don't know what they're missing. Like no,

826
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: I know. My son was he was in he was

827
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: in kindergarten. He went to a birthday party and I

828
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: couldn't find him and I looked in the very very

829
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: back of the and he was like eating candy. It

830
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: was like you never like candy before, and you could

831
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: just see like where have you been? On my whole life.

832
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: Then you work at what time. Um, it depends if

833
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: I can get a little bit of morning time with

834
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: my kids and take Crosby to school that's eight fifteen,

835
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: so um. You know, sometimes I'll try to do film

836
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: like not at work, Like I've done that before where

837
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: I dropp her off at school and I've kind of

838
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: been doing this like trendy thing, maybe going to a

839
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: coffee shop or something that's been some good like me

840
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: time because I don't feel like I'm you know, in

841
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: four wall, like I just feel kind of cool, but

842
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: I'm doing I've done that, um, and that's been fun.

843
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: So you know, you get to work. I like, if

844
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: I dropped my kids off, I'm about twenty minutes from

845
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: school light thirty like you're nine ish um. Or if

846
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: I don't drop my kids off and I get everything

847
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: in and you can get a little earlier. Um, But

848
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: then all my mornings are filled with like meat like

849
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: that's where I meet, Like I tell my Dobe, like

850
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: do my meet meetings in the morning. So whether it's

851
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: marketing or you know, stuff like this podcast or there's

852
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches that kind of want to get

853
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: in the know, and I'll I'll be able to get

854
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: on the phone and talk to them or recruiting calls

855
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: with coaches. Um. And then we have practice at once.

856
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: So we're typically meeting as a staff around eleven thirty, UM,

857
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: eleven ish. And so what are your what are your

858
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: Do you have rules like do you have to wear

859
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: GCU gear? Do you have to wear for my staff

860
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: or for the for your staff? Yeah, I mean I

861
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: think it's an unwritten ule. I've never told them you

862
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: have to wear gc you gear, but I think you

863
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: had to wear pants and you know, no, Azona, that's like, yeah,

864
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: that would be a way hot. And I want them

865
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: to feel like they could go out and rebound for

866
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: a kid in a split like that to me is important.

867
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: So just be comfortable. Um. So if they're available to

868
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: rebound or kid comes in, they want to get some

869
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: shots up, Like I think, I think whatever you know

870
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: that I don't have. I've never had to even go there.

871
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: My staff has never been sloppy, so you know, that's

872
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: never been a concern of mind. But um yeah, the

873
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: only thing like, don't wear different schools. You know that's

874
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: pretty pretty obvious. Well, the good thing is you guys

875
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: don't truly have like a true our tribal So there's

876
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: not like a color like you know if you're you know,

877
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: it is like in a big school you can't even

878
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: wear the color of the rival school like that doesn't

879
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: like but the color represents the school. Um, do you

880
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: think you could coach guys? Yes? You know what's so

881
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: crazy about this? I mean, I love coaching girls. I

882
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: don't know if I'd want to coach guys, But um,

883
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: when I do these clinics, sometimes I have to use

884
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: the males be because in c double a compliance and rules.

885
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: So um. Just this past month, I did the Nebraska clinic,

886
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: and um, I did the point Guard College Clinic and

887
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: I used guys and a bunch of people came up

888
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: to me after was like, I think you'd be so

889
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: great because you know, there's just a way to communicate,

890
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: and guys are a little too cool for school. But

891
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: I never let them get in that mindset. I'm like, hey,

892
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: I need you to be a good teammate and like

893
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: my energy. It was kind of cool to see how

894
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: they responded to me, honestly, because I think that I

895
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: thought they were just gonna like mope through the motions.

896
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: Here they were demonstrators, like how like you could only

897
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: imagine like their excitement to be demonstrators for all day

898
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: at this clinic. But I really got a lot out

899
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: of those guys that I've been doing these clinics, so

900
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: it's been kind of fun. Even one emailed me after

901
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: the clinic like, Hey, coach, I really actually took a

902
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: lot from what you said, and I'm gonna be watching

903
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: you guys and like I'm gonna keep up with you too,

904
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: my man. So that was kind of cool. What do

905
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: you think that the biggest challenge would be? Um? You know,

906
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: I think from flipping from a bunch of um you know,

907
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: when you coach women's basketball, like their perfectionist and they

908
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: want to please you, and you can tell they want

909
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: to please you. I think guys oftentimes, you know, maybe

910
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: they are in it too kind of the look and

911
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: the field and they're they're gonna work hard, But I

912
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: don't know. Girls are just such pleasers and they don't

913
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: want to let anyone down, you know. I think I

914
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: think there I think there are guys like I can

915
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: only take from my perspective, I think there are you

916
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: do it depends Like my last game we lost in

917
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: lead eight, and I didn't he four years later they

918
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: went to the Final four, but we thought that was

919
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: his last chance, you know. And and I've talked to

920
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: my teammates in the twenty years since, and they've all

921
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: to a man said, like you know, as most to threason,

922
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: no satus, that we weren't gonna play together anymore. And

923
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: then I let him down, right, So I do think

924
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: that that exists, and I understand the culture of the sport,

925
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: especially depends is it's probably taken a little bit of

926
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: a straight for the worst. I think you have a

927
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: lot more of that team, not as much as the

928
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: women's game. I think women's mentality is a little bit

929
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: different obviously, Um I just wonder, yeah, yeah, would they

930
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: be distracted? Are they playing? Are they playing for us?

931
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: Are they playing with an agenda? But I actually think

932
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: that's one of those things where you would that's not

933
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: any different than any other male coach coaching men is

934
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: trying to get guys to not play for any agenda

935
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: other than the team and winning, right, That's that challenge

936
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: is not unique and different in men's basketball for you

937
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: or for anybody else. How do you think recruiting with me? Um?

938
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: You know, identifying talent, I think would be pretty much

939
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: the same. But you know, I really focus on when

940
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: I recruit um the relationship on not just basketball level um.

941
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: You know, I think I think guys, for example, they

942
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: would come and and they would walk on a team

943
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: just to play ball, just to play ball. I don't

944
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: think you're gonna get too many girls to walk on

945
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: a team unless you know they felt part of something

946
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: in a bigger purpose and cared about and the emotional connections.

947
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: So I mean, I mean, you go go to the

948
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: y m c A And look who's playing pickup ball.

949
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: You know, right now there might be a few females

950
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: sprinkled in, but you know, guys they just want a ball,

951
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: you know, and they want to be a part of

952
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: the team and play basketball. And I think, you know,

953
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: that's something that's different from the women's game, is like

954
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: they want to really feel a part of something and

955
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: it's it's bigger than just the basketball game, like it's

956
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: about So so how do you how do you change

957
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: your personal approach when when the sport, though that the

958
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: rules are almost the same, sport is different in the mentality.

959
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: How do you change that approach? You know, I still

960
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: think relationship would be like a unique thing to build

961
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: that maybe others aren't talking about. So I think even

962
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: you know, knowing that you've got a head coach that

963
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: has your back, um, has the team interests at heart,

964
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: but also has your personal interests at heart. You know,

965
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: I think a lot of almost every guy maybe thinks

966
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: they can go pro and everyone that's a little different

967
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: than the girls games. So you know what, Like you

968
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: go in and there's like three of that that the

969
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: math does not even work right just to be a team.

970
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: You'll go into the shittiest team's locker room and you'll

971
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: speaking like Henky's talk to my guys, like how many

972
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: guys think you're pros? You know? Like no, no really

973
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: liked Yeah, Like do you have any idea how hard

974
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: it is? Like there's eight million people, there's uh, you know,

975
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: NBA players, and everybody thinks they know what I'll go overseas,

976
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: Like you know how hard that is because it's a

977
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: whole world out there competing for the same job I'm

978
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: decently good at. Like some rural definition and why it's

979
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: important and um that would have to be obviously over emphasized.

980
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: You can't have fifteen pros and all stars on the team,

981
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: So you know that's that's part of relationship building and

982
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: trust in the process, and um, you know, I'm sure

983
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: there would be different agendas, but you know, just again

984
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,479
Speaker 1: looking out at the end of the the day, we're all human.

985
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: We all want to be cared about and looked after

986
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: and a lot of good things can come from that

987
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to playing hard for your coach, for

988
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: your teammates, and I don't think I think that crosses

989
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: men and women. Um, how do you guys do it?

990
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: What's the secret to getting the kids at the games?

991
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: Because because the the attendance, it's one thing. It's obviously

992
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: a very cool thing what the men are able to do,

993
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: but what you guys are able to do at your

994
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,959
Speaker 1: level having not made an n C a ternam because

995
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: you aren't eligible. You know, last year you're putting what

996
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: three in the building every night and then even bigger

997
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: for the big night. Like, how what's the secret? How

998
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: do they do it? It's just a really unique community. Um,

999
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, the Hot Havocs is kind of self made

1000
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: by students and that's what probably makes it so special

1001
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: is their ownership there. You know, they're not they're not

1002
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: a part of the athletics department there, they don't report

1003
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: to anyone UM in athletics like that is a student

1004
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: rand group. So you know they recruit. On welcome Week,

1005
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: they have their tin out and freshmen are walking by

1006
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, like come these you can be

1007
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: a part of something fun. We have fun. We cheer

1008
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: on our teams. I think the unique thing compared to

1009
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: other schools is, you know, year on campus for four years,

1010
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: so they have on campus housing UM for freshmen through seniors.

1011
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 1: And so you are on campus, you are fifty yards

1012
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 1: away from the baseball stadium, you know, a hundred yards

1013
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: away from the basketball facility. You can go across the

1014
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: street to see soccer. So there's a lot to do

1015
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: on campus and you're right there. You don't have to

1016
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: get in your car and drive anywhere. UM. So I

1017
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: think that's really unique to g SU that they're on

1018
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: ground all day every day, and so why not come

1019
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: to games and support and they make it fun. So

1020
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: they make it an event. You know, people have fomo.

1021
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: They don't want to miss out on all that fun

1022
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: that's happening. The choreograph dances, the cheers, the purple pregame party.

1023
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's become a thing. So you know

1024
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: when something becomes popular and there's a demand for it

1025
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: and it just grows, then, Um, they're really doing a

1026
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: good job. And I couldn't be more proud of the

1027
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: students because they're all they're all organizing it. Um, this

1028
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: HAVOC leaders are and there. So there's no there's no

1029
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: like credit given to students for showing up in the game.

1030
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: They can't get like school credit. No, there's no, there's

1031
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: no credit. But they have fun like they want to.

1032
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: The incentive is basically like, come be a part of

1033
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: this really special group that's good, clean fun. You know.

1034
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: Here we are at a at a great university and

1035
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 1: have great sports teams to support and vice versa. We

1036
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: were trying to get ingrained with the havocs. We want

1037
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: to support the havocs. We want them to know that

1038
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: we have their backs and we're really appreciative of what

1039
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: they do. So I think that's too way Street makes

1040
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: it work. Also Gino or Pat Summit, well, I wish

1041
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: I knew them both. Um. I think Pat is obviously

1042
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,479
Speaker 1: um a groundbreaker and as a female, what she has

1043
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: done for the game is incredible. I think Gino is

1044
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: so wise. You know, you could just listen to him

1045
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 1: speak and talk and the way he communicates. Um, I loved.

1046
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you always grew up watching Yukon and

1047
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: Tennessee and um those battles, but just what pat did

1048
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: for women in the game, I mean, she set the

1049
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: bar and so definitely one of my inspirations. Best coach

1050
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't have heard of. You're like, this is

1051
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 1: this This is an incredible coach that you should people

1052
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: should study. I don't know if you might have heard

1053
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: of her, but because I grew up in the backyard

1054
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: Shoel Burnett, she's the one that took sms U to

1055
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: the final four with Jackie. One of my favorite quotes

1056
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: that she said that I feel like I use every

1057
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: day and my practices is penetration or sorry, repetition penetrates

1058
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: even the dullest of minds. And so you know, you

1059
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: you don't just talk and say it like repetition, actually

1060
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: doing it that will stick. Um, you know, not that

1061
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: you're saying your your players have dull minds, but to

1062
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: the point, you know, you gotta be doers and you

1063
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: do it often and that's what we'll teach, not just so.

1064
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: I try not to like take up all the air

1065
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: in the room and explain a drill or explain something.

1066
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 1: And that's where one of my staples comes from. Skinnies

1067
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: so as skinny as a drill within the drill. So like,

1068
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: let's say we're doing a shell drill. I'm getting a

1069
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: little off topic here, but we're not. We're not doing

1070
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: clothes outs. Great um, instead of being like, hey, get

1071
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: down in a stance on your clothes out and then

1072
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: continue with the shell drill, or like hey, hi, hand short,

1073
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: clothes out a little and continue with the shell drill,

1074
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: will stop and we'll do like a two minute quick

1075
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: every one, like one or two reps of the perfect

1076
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: clothes out, Like that's how I want this to look

1077
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: when we go back in this drill. Got it? And

1078
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: so that kind of stems from that. Repetition penetrates even

1079
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: the dullest of minds, like they're not getting something. Rep

1080
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: what you want them to do. Don't like yell at them,

1081
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: don't do so that I've always admired Sheryl Burnett. The

1082
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: other thing, when I was a ball girl, obviously she'd

1083
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: come down and shake all her hands, and she would

1084
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: give me the firmest handshake. She look at me in

1085
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: the eye, firm handshake, good to be here, and so

1086
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: like now just that firm handshake and look her in

1087
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: the eye. Kind of some of those old school things

1088
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: that you miss. Do you do that when you come

1089
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: out to the court. Do you shake everybody's hand? Yeah? Yeah,

1090
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: Like I mean last year it was like a yea,

1091
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: what's gonna be common or normal anymore? Like just high fist,

1092
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: bump air, high five. We'll see. But um yeah, that

1093
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: was definitely instilled in me from her. Um. Okay, So

1094
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 1: coaches all and you're you haven't been doing it maybe

1095
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: long enough, but they all have. I found we the

1096
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 1: profession creates quirkiness, right, especially when you're the head coach,

1097
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: like you're able to just like, hey, I always want

1098
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: to do this, so I do it. Like I coached

1099
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: a team even in Israel, and I was kind of

1100
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: I was like, I always liked being the last one

1101
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: to the bus when I was a player. But that's

1102
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: a very dangerous thing if it's not your team, to

1103
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: not the guy. But I was always like, when I

1104
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: step on that bus, we are going right or you

1105
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: know there's I like, I like music, but I'm going

1106
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: to control the music. Um. You know, I like to

1107
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: kneel on one one knee when I'm coaching, or stand

1108
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: up because I can see it better. I almost never

1109
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: sit down again. These are very You coach for years

1110
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: and over a much longer period of time, and you

1111
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: have But what give me one or two things that

1112
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: are quirky about you that you're like, I I do

1113
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: this every time I coach. I don't really know why,

1114
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: but now it's just my thing. I'm kind of opposite

1115
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: of like I really don't care, Like I don't care

1116
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: what the kids were like, I'm not particular when it

1117
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: comes to like I have to wear you know these

1118
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: socks or superstitious or anything like that. Um, what I

1119
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: do is, you know, I kind of have a pregame

1120
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: routine where you know, I like to wake up, we'll

1121
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: do shoot around or whatever. I like to do game

1122
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: film before um, then get to the gym, do some

1123
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: game film in the office. Like I don't know if

1124
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: I have I did. I sit on the third seat

1125
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: on the left side of the bus, and I don't

1126
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: know where that came from, but I just I did

1127
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: that when you guys. Okay, so you're on the bus.

1128
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: Is anybody allowed to sit next to you? You You want

1129
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: to buy yourself? Well, typically have a car seat and

1130
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: then one over and then all my stuff like my

1131
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: husband's in front of me, and then we've got like

1132
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, you you packed the whole house and home

1133
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: when your family travels with you. So literally probably the

1134
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: four seats surrounding is taken up with kids. Crap. Um,

1135
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 1: when you guys lose, do you do the nobody talks

1136
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: in the bus thing? Um? You know, I don't say

1137
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: you can't talk. I I am. I have my headphones

1138
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: on and I'm watching game film, probably because I I

1139
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: don't want to get upset, like if you know, if

1140
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: I hear laughter, that's not me. I don't like that's fine,

1141
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: you know it's but that's not me. So I am

1142
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: really just locked into what I'm doing. And you know,

1143
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: I have a saying like I want to cry when

1144
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: we win and cry when we lose. But you know,

1145
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I haven't lost a lot, So

1146
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: that's probably why it's staying so bad. It's not something that,

1147
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: by the way, that's what we're leading this podcast with.

1148
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: It's gonna be bollilar. I haven't lost a lot. That's

1149
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: actually that's actually a good little that's let's a good

1150
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: little little month. Um are you? Are you? I find

1151
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: most hoopers and your sell hooper are very specific about

1152
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: their headphones. Are you now? I don't know. I don't

1153
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: really like headphones, Like I don't like music that much.

1154
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: The only thing I use headphones for is like game film,

1155
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: because I do like a lot of coaches don't like

1156
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: watching game film with sound. I like watching games from

1157
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: the sound. But I mean, I'm a mom. I don't

1158
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: have time to listen to much, and my family travels

1159
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: with you when you're so when you're listening in the game,

1160
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: you're just whatever. Whatever headphones are you? Like? I gotta

1161
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: have this, okay, Now, when you're running in the morning,

1162
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: you don't listen to music. Um So I have this

1163
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: clunker of a phone, and so I have a little

1164
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: butt buddy that I run with. But I don't do

1165
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: head fanny pack it's okay, So you don't listen to music.

1166
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: Um No, I do listen to music, but I put

1167
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 1: this in my little fanny pack. Okay, So like Midwestern girl,

1168
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: it's got to be hard rock right, is it hard

1169
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: rock or you listen to hip hop? Like, what is

1170
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: the kind of like a top chart top forty type? Yeah?

1171
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: What I like. That's what's great about this job is

1172
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: I know I get keep like I keep getting older

1173
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: ever the year, but they stay like eighteen to twenty two,

1174
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: keeps you young like that, And you go to the

1175
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: gym or in the locker room, in the weight room,

1176
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: you get caught up on all the hot songs. You're like, Okay,

1177
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm good and then I play him and Derek's like,

1178
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: what is this? I'm like, the kids are listening to it, Derek,

1179
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: just the now. Yeah, it's not great, but you don't

1180
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:04,959
Speaker 1: want to be that. You want to be like feel

1181
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: super old when you're like, god, this is terrible. But

1182
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: but I guess that you know, they're all talking like

1183
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in my feelings Coach Miller because

1184
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: the Dell soundtrack is coming out, Like okay, okay, um,

1185
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: what's the ceiling for GCU. This is a championship caliber

1186
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: place already We're gonna continue to recruit. I think it's

1187
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: a great place to recruit to. It's a great education

1188
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 1: and a great school. Like initially it's a top twenty

1189
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: five in the nation, and that's both academically and athletically. UM.

1190
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: I think this we can win championships. I mean you

1191
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: look at you goin a Grand King Yes, I mean

1192
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: was Gonzaga saying that twenty five years ago, thirty years ago?

1193
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's kind of that model, like

1194
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: we've got everything we need to be able to win

1195
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: a national championship. And I think the value of the

1196
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: degree UM is increasing. I think the presence of athletics

1197
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: UM are making a splash. I mean, our s ID

1198
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: just told us we're number one in the country and

1199
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: fall sports win loss record like Grand Canyon. We're number

1200
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: one right now and fall sports like with win loss records.

1201
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: So here we are, We're right there. We can do it.

1202
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: How do you balance out that you like where you are,

1203
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: but you know, you were reportedly close on the Baylor

1204
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: job with the better you are, the more other people

1205
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: are gonna come calling, right, which calls into question some

1206
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: people when they're gonna come play for you, like, hey,

1207
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: are you even gonna be there? How do you balance

1208
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: that out? Yeah? I got to ask that question at

1209
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: jury all the time, and you know I was, I

1210
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: was there for a long period because I believed in

1211
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: what we're doing. Um, and if this is going to

1212
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: be the best, then here I am and I believe

1213
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: we can build it to be the best. So I

1214
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: am not concentrated on again. What motivates me is not level,

1215
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: it's not UM money, it's not UM status. That didn't

1216
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: that I could have left jury four years ago if

1217
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: that was the case. Um. What motivates me is accomplishing goals,

1218
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: doing it the right way with the recruits. I want

1219
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: to be in behind people that believe in me. I'm here,

1220
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: that's I'm This is where I'm at right now. Um.

1221
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: And if we can be one of those top contending

1222
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: teams and I believe we can do it and they

1223
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: believe I'm the person for the job, then let's go

1224
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: for it. And so I love it here. Um. My

1225
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: husband is on a golf we you know, bought a

1226
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: house on a golf course. He's like, I'm never leaving

1227
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: this place. So we're sold, okay. So UM. The last

1228
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: thing is if you could change something about college basketball,

1229
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: women's college basketball, what would it be? I would I

1230
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: would want to see more of it on a bigger platform.

1231
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: I think it's a great game. I think, um, but here, like, okay,

1232
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: then I can make any money. You gotta lose money,

1233
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: Like it's not you know, I understand that there's the

1234
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: idea of equal opportunity, but what comes first the horse,

1235
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: the cart, the chicken, the egg. You know, I think

1236
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,919
Speaker 1: with the exposure with the w MB, so, so tell

1237
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: me what to tell me what exploit Like what would

1238
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: be a reasonable You're like more games on ESPN. Yeah,

1239
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: I think if they get the glimpse we've never really had,

1240
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: like look at our brand. They don't write it's not

1241
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: on there. You know. I think even with the Phoenix

1242
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: Mercury and the Chicago game, what was that million five?

1243
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: I mean the viewership was it just keeps growing? Isn't

1244
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: that cause to show? Hey, the more we show this

1245
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: on ABC on ESPN, the more and more the trend

1246
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: is upwards. So you know, you can gather those fans

1247
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: if they get exposed to the product. But there just

1248
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: has I mean, like this, you know, it's the it's

1249
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: the okay if we're if we're judging as equals, it's

1250
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: the same reason that why is Duke on all the time?

1251
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: Because they rate It's not because anybody who's a top

1252
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: of CBS or ESPN or Fox cares about Duke. It's

1253
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: because they're right. The schools are on all the time.

1254
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: It's only for one reason, right, it's the same reason

1255
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: that the smaller GCUS men are on ESPN a lot.

1256
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: And the issue is it's like, I do think that

1257
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: you could put it on in some bigger windows if

1258
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: you got major sponsorships behind it that want to propel UM.

1259
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: I thought women's athletics, women's basketball. UM. Just the problem

1260
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: with it is like, look, they're the men's game. The

1261
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: ratings are getting worse and worse in the in the

1262
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: slower tier games, and they're trying the cost benefit analysis

1263
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: of sending announcers to a game or not, like they're

1264
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: trying to cut costs as much as they can any

1265
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: any different network. They're all doing the same thing, but

1266
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: cutting how much they pay announcers, the cutting how much

1267
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: they put people on site. They're cutting crews and camera crews,

1268
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: and that's where the games that rate better. There isn't

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Speaker 1: the financial gain or windfall out there for putting the

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Speaker 1: women's game on TV. That just isn't there. And that's

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Speaker 1: the that's the harsh reality of it. UM that would

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Speaker 1: be my pushback. Not that I don't want to see

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Speaker 1: the women's game grow, it's just hard. You know, they've

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Speaker 1: they've tried everything in their power to grow the women's

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Speaker 1: n c A tournament and some limited skills. It does grow,

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Speaker 1: but on many it does not because you don't have it.

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Speaker 1: Used to be you'd only watch if there's Yukon because Yukon.

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Speaker 1: But then you kind of got so dominant that nobody

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Speaker 1: knew about anybody else. And now it's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a potpourri and a lot of teams can win it,

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Speaker 1: but I don't believe it's reflected as such in the

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01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: ratings because there's just not the name brand residents to it.

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Speaker 1: Um it's a hard one. But so you would put

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Speaker 1: it on bigger platforms that that would be the one thing. Well,

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Speaker 1: even utilizing like you said, if we could get some

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Speaker 1: sponsor like n I L like, if there's some things

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Speaker 1: we can do for our student athletes, UM with people

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Speaker 1: that support women's basketball and can brand it, like use

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Speaker 1: that to our advantage as well to get some you

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Speaker 1: know kids at some schools like GCU that you are

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Speaker 1: some stars and and can capitalize on their brand. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think we have to roll with that. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be one that's gonna push back.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to adapt with the changing times.

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Speaker 1: And that's something that I think there's a lot of opportunities.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit like the wild wild West right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to be regulated, but it's interesting. It's like the women

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Speaker 1: who have been able to capitalize. You have the sisters

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Speaker 1: are at at Fresno. Obviously they're good players, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of them are not the best players. Is simply

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Speaker 1: two girls on Instagram and they you know, they have

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Speaker 1: I followers. How do you how do you manage that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know you want your kids to be

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Speaker 1: able to explore that, but she also like, hey kind

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Speaker 1: of need to be a student an athlete as well.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any rules for your your your your girls?

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Speaker 1: Now we haven't actually like got there. I think what

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Speaker 1: was it June one, they came out with it. June

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Speaker 1: two might have been one of the more disappointing days

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Speaker 1: across the nation for student athletes who didn't get that

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Speaker 1: big endorsement deal like they expected. Um. But for me,

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Speaker 1: I think the advantage at least right now at our

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01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: level is hey, go back to your hometown and put

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Speaker 1: on a camp and as you know, a GC women's

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01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: basketball player, and you can keep all those proceeds being

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Speaker 1: and benefit from you putting on that camp where you

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01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: couldn't have before, you know. And so those are kind

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Speaker 1: of the little things that I don't think are too

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Speaker 1: harmful with the balance between being a student athlete UM

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01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: and or you know, an appearance, if you want to

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Speaker 1: be paid for doing a speaking engagement. UM. You know,

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Speaker 1: those things right now I think are a positive. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if the bigger scale has really impacted that

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01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: many students. I'm there's just a handful that you're getting

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01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: the big time endorsement deals that those little things that

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01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: where they can do some legwork on their own and

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01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: kind of have that business mind. I think that's really

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Speaker 1: healthy and a good thing. The goat women's basket players

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Speaker 1: who well, I'm in Phoenix, like, I'm gonna argue with this,

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Speaker 1: She's amazing, I think, you know, I don't. I'm anxious

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01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: to see a lot of the young ones come. I

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Speaker 1: do wish there was some expansion. I think there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of good players being left out of the league.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you can't argue with d T. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I hope they bring Game five back here, right they

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Speaker 1: play tonight, I think, so we'll be tuning in to

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Speaker 1: the The Sons are the Mercury game. Okay, so you're

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Speaker 1: hard seventy five? What data merger? Um thirty two? Look

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Speaker 1: on my app I think, yep, day thirty two. How

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Speaker 1: you going? It's it's alright, the hardest part, like me

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01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: and Doug talk about, it's like you have to drink

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Speaker 1: a gallon of water. So like you're always like right

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01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: after I get done with this, like headed to the restaurant. Um.

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01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: The diet is pretty easy, the no cheats, the no alcohol,

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01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: that's super easy for me. Um. So it's really like

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01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: I can get in that first workout. Sometimes I'm doing

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01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: that second workout literally like at eleven o'clock at night.

1348
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: But um, it's going have no I I'm too. So

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01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: this one was built for me because I am very

1350
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: like if I so, you have five things to do

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01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: every day, and I my mentality is okay, if I've

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01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: done too, of course I have to do the other three.

1353
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: Like like so why would you do three and not

1354
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: do the other two? Or why would you do four

1355
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: and not do the one? So this is almost built

1356
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: for my brain, like my logic and way of thinking.

1357
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: This is the perfect kind of test for me and

1358
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 1: challenge for me. That's been awesome. Um, I gotta come

1359
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Speaker 1: out and see practice. I've seen the practice film. Love

1360
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 1: love what you gotta are doing, and I love catching up.

1361
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Speaker 1: And I didn't. I'm not trying to in any way

1362
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Speaker 1: hurt the core of women's basketball. I just like, if

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01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: we have the realistic conver it's the it's the women's

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Speaker 1: national team thing, It's like, yeah, you guys are great,

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Speaker 1: but you know, it's like it's all based upon money, right,

1366
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: and if you're making more, totally get it. I totally

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01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: get it. But I do think we have a pretty

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Speaker 1: good product in women's basketball. So I wouldn't I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't debate that. But it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: when they try to do the neutral site thing obviously

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01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: in the early rounds that that that didn't work, and

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Speaker 1: I do think that it's it's a little different now.

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01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: I think that I kind of I've always thought an

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01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: idea would be, could you do the before the men's game?

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01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: Does that do an injustice to the women's game? Obviously

1376
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: would hurt you financially a place like g See where

1377
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: you have people who actually pay for you know, I don't,

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01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 1: you know, and I know men's coaches like now I

1379
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: don't have to in my court, you know whatever. Um,

1380
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: but I think finding inventive ways to grow it. I

1381
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: think integrating the two tournaments is not a terrible idea.

1382
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 1: I like the same site last year. I thought that

1383
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 1: was cool. I still think you should do that in

1384
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: Vegas and have men's and women's both in Vegas at

1385
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: the same time would be amazing. Um, there's different ways

1386
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: to work it. But I don't know if like everybody

1387
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 1: wants t V t V t V TV and the

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01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: reality is the other side to it is again, even

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01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: from my eyes, they're cutting everything in terms of cost.

1390
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: Where's the cost benefit analysis unless you have a gigantic

1391
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, Nike says like, hey, look this is important

1392
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 1: to us, you know, or Adidas with their new Candice

1393
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: Parker ad campaign, right, this is important to us, and

1394
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 1: they put a put a game a week on TV

1395
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: in prime time, and we're going to give you a

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01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: bunch of money to do it. That is the way

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01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: you get it done. That have a great day, go

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Speaker 1: to the restroom and make sure you dominate Greg and

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Speaker 1: the hearts of me five. Oh well, thank you for

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Speaker 1: having me awesome. Well that fun right. Don't you wish

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Speaker 1: all basketball coaches could be that enjoyable? This enjoyable person,

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Speaker 1: good person, mom of two, wife, coach, former player, and

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Speaker 1: now it's it gives you a reason to watch Grand

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Speaker 1: canyons women and check their check their their scores. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed it, um, And look, we're open to

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Speaker 1: all guests. I have some different ideas for guests as well.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna throw them on the pod. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: some fun with it. In the meantime, remember listen to

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