Speaker 1: R and B Money.
Speaker 2: We are.
Speaker 1: Thanks, take about the child. We are the authority on
Speaker 1: all things R and B. Ladies and gentlemen. My name
Speaker 1: is Tank, Get down time. This is the R and
Speaker 1: B Money Podcast. How am I talking about the authority?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: On all things who R and B and talent? Man,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about talent. Tell him tell them what else
Speaker 1: was gonna say? A song? Right? Song writing? Sanging? Sanging? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah? Is your dress twisted? Right? Is your dress
Speaker 1: tis right? What about your pontalonis yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got you got to let the
Speaker 2: joints on, you know what I mean, some of the prens.
Speaker 1: Joints sell velvet be What is this.
Speaker 3: Man out here with my bros?
Speaker 1: Man? Man, listen, we we we had a brief you know,
Speaker 1: I had a brief moment for b E T. And
Speaker 1: we thank you for you know, stopping by and just
Speaker 1: giving us a little bit of your time. You know.
Speaker 1: He was on the move, shaking hands and kissing babies
Speaker 1: and an honor man placing new records. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We saw you moving around. People wanted to
Speaker 1: talk to you. Man.
Speaker 3: I saw y'all.
Speaker 4: It came running over bro, like y'all are my favorite,
Speaker 4: like this and maybe like two other ones I don't
Speaker 4: I always was amazed when people watch podcasts.
Speaker 3: I'm like, y'all could just sit there because I got ADHD.
Speaker 1: And but don't have eighty HDAR. There's no such thing
Speaker 1: as ADHD diagnosed. How you gonna tell him? There is
Speaker 1: no such thing ASHD? He got c D the making
Speaker 1: up ship medicine. Don't take it. You may have focus issues,
Speaker 1: for sure, but that can be fixed if you want
Speaker 1: it fixed, fix it right now. But listen. If you
Speaker 1: are okay within your operating system, if it is working
Speaker 1: for you, then there's no need to change. It is
Speaker 1: working for me.
Speaker 4: And this podcast it may be like one other one
Speaker 4: I could sit through. And so when I saw y'all,
Speaker 4: I came running over. It was like, oh, this's a lie.
Speaker 4: I almost knocked Josh Levi over, is it?
Speaker 1: LEVI love.
Speaker 3: Knocked him over to get to y'all.
Speaker 4: Not intentionally, you know, But it's a war room in
Speaker 4: that thing, you know what.
Speaker 1: We I don't even think we were be even paying
Speaker 1: a idea to what was going on. We had no idea.
Speaker 1: We were just was lou Louba was there and they
Speaker 1: was just and they were just coordinating it. And so
Speaker 1: we were just sitting there and people would just come
Speaker 1: in and we just you know, do the do the thing.
Speaker 1: And then afterwards he was like, do you know, do
Speaker 1: you have any interviewers today? I was like, Hey, we'd
Speaker 1: about about what fifteen about ten fifties? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Maybe they were like twenty.
Speaker 2: Eight something crazy and it was there were people which
Speaker 2: we found out later couldn't yah, yeah, that couldn't give
Speaker 2: to us. And we had no idea because we kind
Speaker 2: of That's the other thing too, we didn't really look up.
Speaker 1: We just kind of just stayed locked in.
Speaker 2: We didn't really walk around much, so we didn't really
Speaker 2: know what was going on as far as the media
Speaker 2: house thing went. And that was our first time doing it,
Speaker 2: so we're just thinking, oh, they just have stuff set
Speaker 2: up for us.
Speaker 1: We didn't know that there was like lines for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because one of the one of the around the whole thing, one.
Speaker 2: Of the ladies from from BT came up to me
Speaker 2: at the at the basketball the next basketball game the
Speaker 2: next day.
Speaker 1: She was like, do you realize.
Speaker 2: That people were waiting for you guys to uh to
Speaker 2: interview them?
Speaker 1: I was like hell no.
Speaker 2: I was like, it was like, you know, there's a
Speaker 2: bunch of with all due respect, it was a lot
Speaker 2: of really really dope platforms that were there.
Speaker 1: I was like no. She was like no.
Speaker 2: People were like, okay, yeah, we'll get to them, but
Speaker 2: we're gonna stay here and are they almost done so
Speaker 2: you know we can do our R and B money,
Speaker 2: And I was like, that's authority.
Speaker 3: For And it was was irritating. Was it was rappers
Speaker 3: in line.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't go on to Joe but.
Speaker 1: To Joe, but you can Joe loves.
Speaker 4: Actually, somebody came up to me after I got done
Speaker 4: with y'all.
Speaker 3: He was like, Hey, your name is on the whiteboard
Speaker 3: for Joe, but.
Speaker 1: You absolutely Joe.
Speaker 4: I'll be feeling the way because R and B. I
Speaker 4: just feel like we get the short end of the stick.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: They sample us for hip hop.
Speaker 4: Okay, they mimic us for pop, very true, but then
Speaker 4: they put us down here. But we don't get the opportunities.
Speaker 4: They get all the benefits without the responsibility that we have.
Speaker 4: We got to go to church, we learn how to
Speaker 4: sing in church, We care about chors, we learn about progressions,
Speaker 4: we're doing harmonies and everything, and they get to do
Speaker 4: it bare minimum and get the like.
Speaker 3: You were saying, when you have fifteen hundred dollars in
Speaker 3: your account.
Speaker 4: They get the lives, they get the cars, they get
Speaker 4: to take care of their families are certain time, they
Speaker 4: get the accolades, and they celebrate us in the shadows,
Speaker 4: and that bothers me a lot.
Speaker 2: I think for us, and this is my opinion. I
Speaker 2: think for us, it's more so about.
Speaker 1: I feel like R and B.
Speaker 2: And I've said this before, we have jazz moments, we
Speaker 2: have this. You know, a lot of people in R
Speaker 2: and B that are really good at it have this elitist,
Speaker 2: you know, vibe about R and B. And they don't
Speaker 2: make it as digestible to the world, and they're not
Speaker 2: willing sometimes to do all of the things. You know,
Speaker 2: as far as making a certain type of record, doing
Speaker 2: certain type of collaborations, you know what I mean, performing
Speaker 2: at you know, different places that will open up, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. As far as how I said,
Speaker 2: as far as them being embraced on a major scale,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Because the other part is,
Speaker 2: for a long time there hasn't been a great return
Speaker 2: for R and B. Right because it was really expensive
Speaker 2: to make at one point, and then the return on
Speaker 2: it wasn't crazy. So a lot of the machines that
Speaker 2: make the rap music, that make the pop music were like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how much. So we had a lot
Speaker 2: of know how much since it makes So we had
Speaker 2: a lot of R and B artists that were just
Speaker 2: kind of falling to the backside and instead of pushing
Speaker 2: forward and pushing harder, niggas kind of just kind of
Speaker 2: like fell into their space, right And I feel like
Speaker 2: Tank is a testament to all of that, because he
Speaker 2: was receiving a lot of the things that a lot
Speaker 2: of R and B artists get, like, oh, yeah, he's cool,
Speaker 2: you know the quote unquote underrated thing. He's really talented.
Speaker 2: But but but and then me and him had time,
Speaker 2: I mean multiple meetings about like, Okay, how do we
Speaker 2: how do we figure this thing out?
Speaker 3: I saw when the shift happened, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But there has to be a shift. Yeah, there has
Speaker 2: to be a shift. You have to put yourself on
Speaker 2: different platforms. You have to you gotta go do corporate events,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You can't sometimes you gotta
Speaker 2: take less. You might be a guy that charges fifty
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand show. But there may be some things
Speaker 2: that you tried at some you know for you know
Speaker 2: that would be greater later for you. Oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take fifteen to night. But there are a lot of
Speaker 2: people that's like, ah my fee and I got But hey,
Speaker 2: that room that you're gonna perform in now has sponsors,
Speaker 2: has brand partnerships. Now you're looking at it from a
Speaker 2: different thing. And I feel like in R and B,
Speaker 2: guys get so caught up guys, And.
Speaker 1: I actually just say, guys, because the girls, well, the
Speaker 1: girls are able to live free. They get into it.
Speaker 3: Where can they live free?
Speaker 1: Because it's okay to be emotional as a woman still,
Speaker 1: and women share that, like they share that emotion universally,
Speaker 1: like dudes don't really share a whole lot with dudes
Speaker 1: like they're cool, Like they don't really they don't really
Speaker 1: embrace it or unless it's true gangster shit, then they'll
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I'm fucking with it. But women have
Speaker 1: always been champions of each other in one way or another,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He asked you, like, do
Speaker 1: you think that's changing? I don't know. I think it's
Speaker 1: working for some and not working for others. I think
Speaker 1: I think a guy named Bennie Madeenas told me, he said,
Speaker 1: if you want to make a big record, you can
Speaker 1: make a big record. So you have all the tools
Speaker 1: to make a big record. You're just making the record
Speaker 1: you want to make. You're just living in the space
Speaker 1: you want to live in. We're all, like he said,
Speaker 1: we all because we do this in a certain way.
Speaker 1: We all turn our backs to the audience on some
Speaker 1: Miles Davis shit and just play our trumpet. We do
Speaker 1: it all the time because because we're fulfilled by by
Speaker 1: honoring the gift at its height, exactly, we are fulfilled.
Speaker 3: No one cares what's the story.
Speaker 1: But at a certain point we gotta we gotta move
Speaker 1: right past that word music and get to the business
Speaker 1: right as I'm making as I'm as I'm venturing into
Speaker 1: music business. How do I sell some fucking records? How
Speaker 1: do I get on mainstream radio? How? Because it's there's
Speaker 1: there's a how. You know that, there's a fucking how.
Speaker 1: You've got the other people in on the fucking platform?
Speaker 3: No you preaching?
Speaker 4: I was in a relationship, man, And then I remember
Speaker 4: one time Sam Smith DMed me and there was a
Speaker 4: song I had. It wasn't like doing well, but it
Speaker 4: was I loved the song and he was like, man,
Speaker 4: ill off.
Speaker 3: This record and I'm listening to it in my guarden.
Speaker 4: And I showed it to her because she loved Sam
Speaker 4: Smith so much. So I'm thinking, like, you know, like
Speaker 4: this is crazy, like at lista and she was like,
Speaker 4: when are you going to get tired of being my
Speaker 4: favorite singer's favorite singer shit and be the world's favorite
Speaker 4: artist and that.
Speaker 3: Like I like that hurt me so bad.
Speaker 4: But I had to realize, like, yeah, like that don't
Speaker 4: matter at all.
Speaker 3: What is the story?
Speaker 4: If eighty thousand records come out of day, why are
Speaker 4: people going to care about me?
Speaker 3: And that's what with this album.
Speaker 4: I just was like I wanted to quit, and I
Speaker 4: was just like, tell your story if it's your last chance,
Speaker 4: you know, like when you're about to get fired from
Speaker 4: the job.
Speaker 1: I don't like y'all.
Speaker 4: Anyway, this is what this album was for me, cause
Speaker 4: it's like and I said, you know what, I came
Speaker 4: in with something to prove. I wanted to like do
Speaker 4: the runs and do all these things because I wanted
Speaker 4: to say I could sing, because I felt like we
Speaker 4: were in a climate where nobody was singing. And I
Speaker 4: loved buying your albums. I love buying boys to Men
Speaker 4: as a kid and just hearing it. I have to
Speaker 4: know what the album was about, what the single was.
Speaker 4: I used to buy albums because of the singers.
Speaker 3: But I was like, maybe nobody cares no more.
Speaker 4: So I said, let me challenge myself to just do
Speaker 4: no runs and just do tone and the story and
Speaker 4: every inflection is because of a pain or emotion I'm
Speaker 4: trying to invoke in the listener. And bro, I ain't
Speaker 4: never even gone top one hundred anything, and now today
Speaker 4: we're number two and number three.
Speaker 1: Number you.
Speaker 3: Shot out?
Speaker 1: My god, but you a is it gonna start writing?
Speaker 3: I start plubing. Yeah, that's what. That's what I come back.
Speaker 1: What Yeah, it's it's in listening to it, you're you're
Speaker 1: making your I hear your argument and the whole spill
Speaker 1: that you gave was great. But your album says something different.
Speaker 1: Your album says that you are you are very conscious
Speaker 1: in making a statement, a broader statement. That's what it
Speaker 1: feels like to me, Like it feels like it feels
Speaker 1: like R and B. But it feels like something different
Speaker 1: than you. It feels like something that everybody's going to
Speaker 1: be able to move to. Everybody's going to be able
Speaker 1: to pick out their favorite melody, everybody's going to be
Speaker 1: able to digest their favorite hook. And that's what that's
Speaker 1: really what it's all about. We have to we have
Speaker 1: to get out. So we gotta get it out of ourselves.
Speaker 1: We gotta stop singing in the mirror. We gotta stop,
Speaker 1: and we gotta figure out how what we do can
Speaker 1: affect the When did you first start loving music? When
Speaker 1: it hit you? How can we get to the next
Speaker 1: six year old right, because we got to attract them
Speaker 1: with something. See how Michael Jackson always works, always, Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson always works. My son wasn't around for none of it,
Speaker 1: not even close. Michael had passed, and this little boy
Speaker 1: was it trying in this room with a hat on
Speaker 1: a glove and watching Michael Jackson on his iPad doing
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson moves. Now, ask me how many runs Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson did, not very many.
Speaker 2: He left him from he left him at childhood. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: did you see in the Olympics the sync and ized swimmers, Yes.
Speaker 3: I just saw that this morning.
Speaker 1: They're still performing to Michael Jackson records.
Speaker 3: And that's transcending race culture because that's Olympics.
Speaker 2: And when you say this all the time, and we
Speaker 2: stand on this, Michael Jackson is an R and B singer.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't care what they know.
Speaker 3: And that's how we got to mix up.
Speaker 4: Because what is pop. Pop is a derivative of popular culture.
Speaker 4: Of course you do anything well enough, it will be popular.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you think, so you have to figure And
Speaker 1: what Michael did was conscious, right, it was deliberate, well studied.
Speaker 1: What is that. I want to be the biggest in
Speaker 1: everything in the world. So I'm gonna rehearse like this,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sing like this, I'm going to talk like this. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to dress like this. Did it all on purpose?
Speaker 1: We do so much in our feelings mm hm that
Speaker 1: we're so let down because it's our feelings.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: Music is almost one of the only things that the
Speaker 2: creator of the music does for themselves. When you're making
Speaker 2: a product, you make products for people, right, I have
Speaker 2: a candle line, now, come on, candle Now, I like
Speaker 2: my candles, but there were I was asking people, what, oh,
Speaker 2: you know when you buy the candle, you know the weight,
Speaker 2: does it feel more expensive? So I'm like, okay, well
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta go. I gotta go source out
Speaker 2: marbles the heaviest weight. Oh, I don't like that I
Speaker 2: have to throw my you know, the candle away. I
Speaker 2: would rather, you know, have it as a piece of
Speaker 2: almost a piece of art in the house. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm paying attention. We don't do that with our music
Speaker 2: though we play niggas music on something, I don't care
Speaker 2: if you like it or not.
Speaker 1: What what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: That's exactly what we were thinking about when we did
Speaker 3: the vinyl.
Speaker 4: I was like, let's make the vinyl translucent red, just
Speaker 4: because I ain't never seen.
Speaker 3: A translucent red before. But I know, like if I
Speaker 3: pulled it.
Speaker 1: Out, wow, you're going to get a reaction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we sold more vinyls than we did digital already.
Speaker 2: We have to make music collectors are people and ourselves right, like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna it's your music, but we got it to me.
Speaker 2: I think we got to get out of the space
Speaker 2: of I love it so I don't care what nobody
Speaker 2: else think. Well, then you're gonna be somewhere complaining about
Speaker 2: nobody supporting it and.
Speaker 3: That's a harsh reality that a lot of people don't
Speaker 3: talk about.
Speaker 1: That's the other side of it. They complain about it.
Speaker 1: Don't complain about it if you just made it for yourself.
Speaker 1: I used to complain and then I was like me complaining,
Speaker 1: did sell no more records? So you did? You? You
Speaker 1: stopped complaining and just made better records. Was this around,
Speaker 1: please don't go sex life? No? This was no, this
Speaker 1: was this was what now? Whenever? This is how I
Speaker 1: feel kind of space I was. It wasn't it wasn't far.
Speaker 4: Back, so you still felt underappreciated during Like no, I
Speaker 4: just I just I just, for some my reason, felt
Speaker 4: like highlighting the disadvantages of something that I signed up for.
Speaker 1: I know what I signed up for, I knew what
Speaker 1: I knew what I was getting into, and I signed
Speaker 1: up for and I still went in. And then I
Speaker 1: started to complain about it, and this thing callsed me
Speaker 1: like what are you doing? I was like I'm mad,
Speaker 1: I'm man, and he was like who cares who? And
Speaker 1: then first like I said, who are you talking to?
Speaker 1: I'm talking to everybody? Yeah, mockers, And you're really not
Speaker 1: talking to nobody, and you're definitely not talking to anybody
Speaker 1: who understands does matter? Do fucking better? Ye, do better,
Speaker 1: Just do better. This one didn't work, Let's do another one.
Speaker 1: And that's the cool thing about where we are now
Speaker 1: is that you can just keep doing them.
Speaker 2: You just keep doing keeping until they like one, until
Speaker 2: they like one, or like two or like ten. But
Speaker 2: the ones that they didn't like, it's not this, Oh
Speaker 2: you on the shelf, no more, Oh.
Speaker 1: This label gave up on you. You can put out
Speaker 1: more music like it.
Speaker 2: She got to it, gotten to it was a nasty girl.
Speaker 1: Right back, better than she will ever right back.
Speaker 4: I was like this, my dad said, music is like
Speaker 4: the music business like slot machines. Do you want to
Speaker 4: be the person who sat who sits down in Vegas,
Speaker 4: puts a quarter in for nine hours and then you
Speaker 4: say it's never gonna happen you get up in somebody,
Speaker 4: or you want to be the person that comes up
Speaker 4: behind you, puts that quarter in and gets the jackpot.
Speaker 1: I'll be both every day. I keep going, just keeping listen,
Speaker 1: I said, those slot machines for a very long time
Speaker 1: at the wind shout out to the wind who well,
Speaker 1: thank you to get my Marcus from Thank you so
Speaker 1: much a nice free rooms. You want to get the
Speaker 1: rooms in the top of suite. You're not that free gamble,
Speaker 1: but whatever, they feel free because you're going at a different.
Speaker 3: Times with the studio inside of it.
Speaker 1: That's the pump which shout out to the pal shout
Speaker 1: out to the tour at the pond, the tour at
Speaker 1: the pearl with screen take care of us.
Speaker 3: What's the next one? Were asked him.
Speaker 1: So, so I asked you a question earlier, and I said,
Speaker 1: when did you fall in love with music? And you
Speaker 1: said six years old? What was going on at six
Speaker 1: years old? What was being played at six years old?
Speaker 4: So this is the crazy story. This is why my
Speaker 4: face think God is so strong. My mom is a nurse.
Speaker 4: She's from a third world country. We came here from
Speaker 4: the dr when I was like six years old and
Speaker 4: she didn't speak English.
Speaker 3: But she became a.
Speaker 4: Nurse at the Breaker's Hotel, which is like people don't
Speaker 4: know that West Palm at one time like had like
Speaker 4: sixty percent of the world's billionaires like living in West Palm.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 4: And the Breaker's Hotels like where Oprah goes to have
Speaker 4: runs and Trump and all of them go over there.
Speaker 4: So She came from a third world country and was
Speaker 4: immediately exposed to extreme wealth. And one day it was
Speaker 4: taking her child to work day, and she worked for
Speaker 4: this She was a nurse for this old woman who
Speaker 4: traveled the world and loved music. She collected music from
Speaker 4: Ace of Bass to Prince to SWV to the delfonas everything.
Speaker 4: And she brought me to work with her and I
Speaker 4: was like just humming something and she was like you singing,
Speaker 4: and I was like, no, but I want to be
Speaker 4: a singer. One day and when she died, in her will,
Speaker 4: she left me her whole music collection. What So as
Speaker 4: a kid, I was immediately exposed to Stevie Wonder where
Speaker 4: everybody else was like listening to, like, you know, don't
Speaker 4: know what, but I wasn't listening to what's on the radio,
Speaker 4: because I did.
Speaker 1: Going through this collection.
Speaker 4: I was just being introduced to American culture. I was
Speaker 4: learning how to speak English. But I was also exposed
Speaker 4: to like this woman who loved music so deeply, and
Speaker 4: she just didn't want to leave her you know, just
Speaker 4: let it go to auctions or something. She left it
Speaker 4: for me, So I was I just felt like that
Speaker 4: was God saying I'm gonna plant this seed for you.
Speaker 4: So while everybody else is listening to like hip hop
Speaker 4: and just other things, I'm listening to like just Deep line, Babyface.
Speaker 3: And Voice the Men. And that's where it all started
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Do you still have the record collection?
Speaker 4: It's still back home. My uncle took something like found
Speaker 4: it off. Like that's a whole other story.
Speaker 1: Always Mama smoked the te We can't help.
Speaker 4: But I think that's what helped me understand song structure
Speaker 4: at an early age. And I used to fight all
Speaker 4: the time, and I think that that was the first
Speaker 4: time somebody told me I was.
Speaker 3: Good at anything, you know what I mean. Like, So
Speaker 3: then when my mom took me.
Speaker 4: She's also Caribbean, so when she when you act up,
Speaker 4: they think somebody put a root on you, especially, so
Speaker 4: she took me to a church. She was like, somebody
Speaker 4: put a root on my child. And she asked this
Speaker 4: pastor to pray for me. He was in the middle
Speaker 4: of choir rehearsal with a keyboard just like this, and
Speaker 4: he was like wait one second, and he's like giving
Speaker 4: everybody their parts and he was like, you ain't exempt.
Speaker 4: He was like just leave him here, and like she left,
Speaker 4: and when I was sitting down just like looking sad,
Speaker 4: he was like, you're not exempt, get up here, and
Speaker 4: he was like, can you hit the snow?
Speaker 3: Can you hit the snow? Can you hit this note?
Speaker 4: And he was like looking for the tenor notes. He
Speaker 4: was like, man, God is amazing.
Speaker 3: He was like, I've been looking for a male that
Speaker 3: can hit the snow. So he put me in the choir.
Speaker 1: How old are you at this point?
Speaker 3: Now I'm like seven years old?
Speaker 4: But again I still didn't have like singing ability. I
Speaker 4: understood like song structure and with.
Speaker 1: Like you could just hear, but you could hear it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So when he called me up, he was like, this
Speaker 4: is crazy. So she's like, please let me do an
Speaker 4: album with your son. And she's an album.
Speaker 3: An album you wanted to do a church album with me?
Speaker 3: And my mom was like my son. So she's like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is part of the spell that they put on
Speaker 3: my circle. She's like, oh, you went part of it?
Speaker 3: What kind of sorcery? So she was like okay.
Speaker 4: So he started working with me and training me, and
Speaker 4: that's where it all started. I never was told I
Speaker 4: was good at anything. I was a problem child.
Speaker 1: So you were so you go to this church. You remember,
Speaker 1: name was the name of chur I.
Speaker 3: Don't remember the church, but I don't remember. His name
Speaker 3: was mister Nickerson. And it starts with him, starts with him.
Speaker 4: And every day when everybody would go to after care
Speaker 4: and like you know, play cards, she would pick me
Speaker 4: up and drop me off at the church. So he
Speaker 4: was like my basically my after care teacher and just started.
Speaker 1: Teaching you how to sing. Yes, that's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And when I started singing the solos, when I was
Speaker 4: ready to sing the solos, I remember one of the
Speaker 4: songs was a Lot of the World, and I watched
Speaker 4: people cry like I'm just like music can do that
Speaker 4: to people, Like I don't want to do this.
Speaker 3: I want to heal people.
Speaker 4: Because I was so used to breaking people's hearts, like
Speaker 4: not in a I wasn't in a romantic relationship. I
Speaker 4: was a kid, but like I was so used to
Speaker 4: being a disappointment. I felt like I was a disappointment.
Speaker 4: It was almost like Ferris Bueller, like every time I
Speaker 4: come around, like, oh my god, don't hang out with him.
Speaker 3: He gonna fight, He's gonna be in trouble.
Speaker 1: He was a badass kid.
Speaker 3: I was bad. Like they used to call me Red
Speaker 3: because I had all these red bruises on me. That
Speaker 3: was my nickname Red.
Speaker 4: And yeah, that was the first time people looked at
Speaker 4: me and saw hope. I felt like I had a purpose,
Speaker 4: I could be something.
Speaker 1: So do you feel okay?
Speaker 2: So do you feel like a part of that was
Speaker 2: you coming over from the dr of like being immersed
Speaker 2: into this new American culture that you didn't really know
Speaker 2: how to be.
Speaker 4: I feel like my biological father and this is I'm
Speaker 4: just not able to talk about this, and I because
Speaker 4: I had a fear of him watching it and being
Speaker 4: disappointed in me.
Speaker 3: But I just feel like he kind of programmed me to.
Speaker 4: Basically, he just made it seem like the only way
Speaker 4: I would fail him is if I ever ever let
Speaker 4: somebody else be a father figure to me while being
Speaker 4: absent in my life. So anytime that some an authoritive,
Speaker 4: if anybody spoke to me with any authority, I rejected it.
Speaker 3: M So, if you was my friend and you told
Speaker 3: me what to do, I want to fight you.
Speaker 4: If you was a teacher, nobody, I don't got to
Speaker 4: do it because my dad told me the only way
Speaker 4: I would disappoint him is if I ever let another
Speaker 4: father figure or another man be a father figure to me.
Speaker 1: So that just created your aggression.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to fight everybody, and you can look
Speaker 4: at my mom and I felt like then I was
Speaker 4: mad at myself because my mother was my best friend
Speaker 4: and the most important woman in the world to me.
Speaker 4: But I would always make her pick between me and
Speaker 4: her boyfriends or whoever, because my dad told me, like
Speaker 4: anybody that she brings home is the enemy, and being
Speaker 4: a great mother, she would always choose me.
Speaker 3: I could. I sometimes felt the friction, like not again,
Speaker 3: don't make me do this.
Speaker 4: But I would always yeah when it's heartbreaking, Yeah, it
Speaker 4: is like when I think about it. So that's why
Speaker 4: I just try to give her everything, Like I just
Speaker 4: catch after her some money yesterday because I.
Speaker 3: Really feel guilty. My sister's like, why are you spoiling her?
Speaker 4: And I just feel like I took her youth, like
Speaker 4: because my father, I remember when he was dropping me
Speaker 4: off at her house when she won custody of me.
Speaker 4: He was like, the only way you could disappoint me, son,
Speaker 4: is if you ever call another man father. And as
Speaker 4: a kid, I looked like him and everything, like I
Speaker 4: was like bad, Like it's just like you're programming like
Speaker 4: a robot. He doesn't have information, like like you.
Speaker 3: Know, you think you my daddy. I'm a lash out.
Speaker 4: So through that I found healing in the church and
Speaker 4: just my relationship with God. It just mellowed me out
Speaker 4: a little bit. When I was saying, I would be like, oh,
Speaker 4: I don't got to be the problem, got to fight everybody.
Speaker 4: Everybody ain't after me, like this music can heal me?
Speaker 1: You know, when did you realize that that you actually
Speaker 1: did have a gift, Like it wasn't just it wasn't
Speaker 1: just this church thing or the guy showing you how
Speaker 1: to do a certain thing. It was something that you
Speaker 1: actually had in you that was special.
Speaker 4: When there was a talent show that was happening, So
Speaker 4: now my stepfather.
Speaker 1: Enters my life. Okay around what age is this.
Speaker 3: Is around like twelve? Stepfather enters my life.
Speaker 4: And there was a talent show and I would just sing,
Speaker 4: we can't be friends with this girl named Norma big girl,
Speaker 4: so you know she.
Speaker 3: Was hollering.
Speaker 4: There were coxs part, come off, I had to do
Speaker 4: RLS part and your key and it came at in
Speaker 4: our high school. When it comes down to the last
Speaker 4: two they couldn't decide and you had to do like
Speaker 4: sing offs.
Speaker 3: And my stepfather was an audience and he was like,
Speaker 3: you know you. I always thought you could be a single,
Speaker 3: but I didn't know if you had to fight in you.
Speaker 4: He was like, when it came down to y'all two,
Speaker 4: he was like, I saw a fire in your eyes.
Speaker 3: He was like, come on. He took me to the story.
Speaker 4: He bought me Brandy's album, he brought me your album.
Speaker 4: He brought me everybody's album. He's like, who's your favoriteartist?
Speaker 4: I told him, and he was like, study these people,
Speaker 4: but study their careers, go look at their live performances.
Speaker 3: Like He's like, you have a chance at this. And
Speaker 3: I was like, but how are we gonna find a
Speaker 3: record label? You don't know what record labels? And I
Speaker 3: always remember he said this, He said, if you do
Speaker 3: anything well enough, they will come find you. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: we did it, and Atlantic call every kid.
Speaker 4: And that's how I end up doing a development deal
Speaker 4: and how I'm at.
Speaker 3: Trey because then I moved.
Speaker 1: At this point, now I'm like fourteen, okay, oh you
Speaker 1: get a call from Atlantic at fourteen?
Speaker 3: They DM me on my space. Also, they hit me
Speaker 3: to be in Pretty Ricky. This is great.
Speaker 1: Baby Blue hit me you in Florida.
Speaker 3: I'm in Florida.
Speaker 4: But now my space is like the thing and I'm
Speaker 4: posting my own original music and I get a.
Speaker 3: DM from Baby Blue.
Speaker 4: From Pretty Ricky, He's like a pleasure had just left
Speaker 4: the group around that time, and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 4: know if y'all know, because back then, like you know,
Speaker 4: Florida niggas, like I had like a part in my
Speaker 4: head and shit like that. So like there was like
Speaker 4: come out just for being to be Pretty Ricky. So
Speaker 4: I'm like, is this a joker? I was like, Dad,
Speaker 4: can you drive me to Miami? So he drove me
Speaker 4: to Miami. We go, and they're looking at.
Speaker 1: Me like you a kid, they're twenty.
Speaker 4: I like team, but I don't think they knew how
Speaker 4: young I was. I just was putting up music online.
Speaker 4: I'm virtually unknown, and so I'm half Dominicans, so like
Speaker 4: I had a mustache in the third grade, Like even
Speaker 4: if you look at my own fatures, I have faced
Speaker 4: smoking cigarettes and lunch.
Speaker 1: Look, look, look it's not what you think. Baby.
Speaker 3: I know Dominican where it's pleasure because I'm like, what
Speaker 3: y'all broke up? I didn't know none of this. I
Speaker 3: didn't It wasn't out that pleasure left the group broke up.
Speaker 4: No, it was like your audition would be if we
Speaker 4: get there, baby Blue in swinst the door and I
Speaker 4: now looking back, they knew immediately, like what the fuck
Speaker 4: is going on?
Speaker 3: But they still let me sing and.
Speaker 1: Everything, Oh.
Speaker 4: Y, yeah you sing this, And it was just like
Speaker 4: comical because I was like a kid saying you.
Speaker 1: Got me feeding That is great.
Speaker 4: So left there that that obviously didn't go through. We
Speaker 4: all knew what that was going to be, but yeah,
Speaker 4: he just really saw it. And then after that Aaron
Speaker 4: bay Shock flew.
Speaker 3: He was like are you writing?
Speaker 4: Because I was putting up so I was putting up
Speaker 4: original music and Aaron hit my dad. He's like are
Speaker 4: you no, He's he DM do us and was like
Speaker 4: Mike Karen is trying to sign this kid and everybody
Speaker 4: Atlantic is looking for this kid.
Speaker 3: So he flew down. He was like who's writing these songs?
Speaker 4: Though again I'm fourteen, and my dad's like he's writing
Speaker 4: them and Aaron's.
Speaker 1: Like you sure?
Speaker 3: I don't think he believed it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So then it gets the Troy Taylor to develop
Speaker 4: me go to uh, I gotta go to school Atlanta.
Speaker 4: TTU gotta go to school, and Trey's about to do
Speaker 4: the radio album. And even then, Trey's like, I already
Speaker 4: told you could sing. He was like, but you can
Speaker 4: tell stories and you think that like that's a game.
Speaker 4: He was like, that is your gift to you're sleeping
Speaker 4: on that gift. And I remember being and.
Speaker 3: I remember being so annoyed.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you why I was annoyed because here
Speaker 4: I am in a development deal. I'm homeschool now because
Speaker 4: I was a freshman and chef Tone and all these
Speaker 4: amazing Brian Michael Cox, John T. Austin, Everybody's flying in
Speaker 4: to work with Trey. So I'm like, damn, because all
Speaker 4: I want to do is sing. So I'm like, damn,
Speaker 4: just write me a song. Let me just sing so
Speaker 4: I can send something back to Mike so I can.
Speaker 3: Get off the bench. And then the Superstarring room is like,
Speaker 3: but you can write too, and I'm like, no, I
Speaker 3: just want to sing. I'm not sending it.
Speaker 4: So they looking at me like I'm not hungry. And
Speaker 4: he would always be like Elijah Well, he called me
Speaker 4: red at the time too. He's like, you can tell stories.
Speaker 4: He's like, if you really get in that bag, you're
Speaker 4: gonna be special. And I was like, He's like and
Speaker 4: he noticed that. He said every time I'll tell you
Speaker 4: that you like, shrug me off. He's like, write me
Speaker 4: a song now, and I was like now, he said,
Speaker 4: s K put on the beat, and that's the song
Speaker 4: that became Jupiter Love.
Speaker 1: That's crazy on the spot. I think it's time at fourteen.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yes.
Speaker 4: So I went from being a starving artist yeah, to
Speaker 4: now having like twelve thousand dollars checks in the mail.
Speaker 4: I will never forget this, bro. I think, like this
Speaker 4: nigga trade, damn, it saved my life. I didn't want
Speaker 4: to tell my mom I was starving because as a
Speaker 4: Caribbean woman's like, bring your ass back home and go
Speaker 4: to college. The church thinks I'm crazy, like letting you
Speaker 4: go out there. And I was talking to Tray in
Speaker 4: the kitchen one time and he was like, are you anemic?
Speaker 4: And I was like, no, why you said that? He
Speaker 4: was like, you're shaking. I was so hungry. I didn't
Speaker 4: want to tell nobody in the house. I was hungry
Speaker 4: I'm shaking. I probably didn't eat for three y's.
Speaker 3: I was already skinny.
Speaker 4: I didn't even weigh a hundred pounds, and he didn't
Speaker 4: have to because I wasn't signed to him. I wasn't
Speaker 4: Ever since that day, when he would be out with
Speaker 4: a girl, he'll be on a date. If he just
Speaker 4: came back from tour, he'll call me and be like, yo,
Speaker 4: I'm at the sports bar and grill what you want.
Speaker 4: They got lobsters, and he will always bring me something home.
Speaker 4: So things like that like almost make me emotional because
Speaker 4: if maybe if I did, I went three days not eating,
Speaker 4: but if I probably would have went two more days,
Speaker 4: I probably would have gave up and came back home,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And he didn't owe me nothing.
Speaker 4: He's never called me and been like, nigga, give me
Speaker 4: a free song, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, I bet you that one time NA.
Speaker 1: Records the house and that extra butter Nigga come home.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, And I remember when Sex, Love and Pain
Speaker 4: came out and we rolled around to it like so,
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, those are the moments where the
Speaker 4: music industry so you know how you say you feel
Speaker 4: like you knew what you signed up for.
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: He's also fourteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believed in the dream.
Speaker 4: I believe that if you made music good enough and
Speaker 4: you were a good person, you would win. My reality,
Speaker 4: I'm seeing the bad niggas win. And I saw a
Speaker 4: tweet the other day. I was like, damn, somebody said,
Speaker 4: what's something that you learned that as doing. Somebody said
Speaker 4: there is no reward for being a good person.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that.
Speaker 4: I don't say that, but I think I'm seeing the
Speaker 4: reward now. It might not be right away.
Speaker 1: Niggas quit, niggas, quit bro a nigga.
Speaker 2: I am a walking as the church guys would say,
Speaker 2: a walking.
Speaker 1: Test talk to talk because because I've seen I've seen
Speaker 1: every part of the music industry.
Speaker 2: Literally, I've seen every part of you know, every pitfall,
Speaker 2: every door being closed.
Speaker 1: Like literally my family was blackballed in the music business
Speaker 1: for a minute, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So seeing how if you just don't quite and you
Speaker 2: stay solid, you know what I mean? I was having
Speaker 2: I was on the phone with two of my guys
Speaker 2: last night. Man to my boys from Kansas City, that's
Speaker 2: that's that's the homies.
Speaker 1: Man and.
Speaker 2: I said, the thing that I'm most proud of in
Speaker 2: my career is that you can run my name through
Speaker 2: the whatever you want to.
Speaker 1: It's gonna come back a one Yola, It's coming back.
Speaker 1: It's pure.
Speaker 2: I ain't never fucked nobody over, I ain't never stole
Speaker 2: nothing from nobody. I've tried to do nothing but help.
Speaker 2: And God is shining on you now. Could it happen
Speaker 2: for me at twenty possibly, But I'm good with it
Speaker 2: happening for me now.
Speaker 3: Man, I come when you want them, but He's always
Speaker 3: on time on man.
Speaker 2: So like you know, cause I see a lot of
Speaker 2: those tweets and those memes and different stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and when I see him, I just kind of laugh
Speaker 2: because I'm just.
Speaker 1: Like, it can be greater later, and it will be,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, think about how long we've been in this industry
Speaker 2: and how you know, certain people have only had very
Speaker 2: small seasons in it, and how we look up and
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, for me, death in and for
Speaker 2: Tank like this is decades, decades, decades of the music
Speaker 2: bins of I've never done anything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's been real ups and real downs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can you survive them?
Speaker 4: A good testament to that is I was telling this
Speaker 4: joke and the producer, I know they're watching, and I'm
Speaker 4: saying this in light.
Speaker 3: This is not a dig.
Speaker 4: But there was a song on my last album and
Speaker 4: Priscilla Renee, who I kind of started off just from
Speaker 4: Florida to And I've always said, even when we was
Speaker 4: making the rounds of songwriters doing six sessions today, I
Speaker 4: would always be like that Priscilla is different.
Speaker 3: They would aways be like, who do you? I always said,
Speaker 3: Priscilla is different.
Speaker 6: And.
Speaker 4: You know she had deals with it, didn't, you know,
Speaker 4: doll houses where it didn't pay off. And one time
Speaker 4: we were working on Keisha actually and she was playing
Speaker 4: me her music. She was like, I'm gonna try this
Speaker 4: one more time. And we were like texting each other,
Speaker 4: like what can we do hire marketing things because you know,
Speaker 4: now you got a little backstash from writing songs.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So she's like, I'm just gonna go for it. I'm
Speaker 3: like I'm going forward too.
Speaker 4: So she plays her album and I play with my
Speaker 4: album and there's a song called dark Skin. I was like,
Speaker 4: I would love to have you on this record. She
Speaker 4: was like, I love this song. Can I get on it.
Speaker 4: So I send her the file. She sends it right back.
Speaker 4: She's like, I'm going in with cook. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: you're smart, like you putting out an independent project, but
Speaker 4: you going to cook.
Speaker 3: You know, like how did you know what you spending?
Speaker 3: So the quality is going to be there.
Speaker 4: So she sends it back and then the song now
Speaker 4: has her myself, D Smoke and Duran Bernard. So I'm
Speaker 4: playing the record and then so and there's a there's
Speaker 4: somebody that's a part of the project. It was just like, damn,
Speaker 4: the song's too long, Like we got to cut somebody
Speaker 4: at the time. You know, it's D Smoke. He's popping,
Speaker 4: so it's like you got to take the girl off
Speaker 4: at the end.
Speaker 3: Who's the girl off? I'm like, that's money, she's fire.
Speaker 3: He's like, she gotta go.
Speaker 4: I was like, bro, I don't care if that song
Speaker 4: five minutes long. She's not coming off that record like
Speaker 4: she's incredible. And I was like, it's a song about
Speaker 4: dark skin is a chocolate woman. Like I'm just I'm
Speaker 4: so sick of that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like so uh, and.
Speaker 3: I'm not chocolate enough to care. The record by myself
Speaker 3: it's so bro.
Speaker 4: A week later, hours and hours go crazy. I call
Speaker 4: that same person up I sent him. He's like, yes,
Speaker 4: you are Bro.
Speaker 3: I said, you remember that girl you said take off
Speaker 3: the record?
Speaker 1: That's her.
Speaker 4: And I just that's just the most beautiful Victorian Monett.
Speaker 4: I feel like we are in that season where.
Speaker 3: Like we were. I think I started this when I
Speaker 3: spoke to y'all.
Speaker 4: I look back at it and I'm like, damn, I
Speaker 4: really got to get got to get a master class
Speaker 4: from Usher. We were up there for two months working
Speaker 4: on that project in New York at Jungle City.
Speaker 2: Come on, speak on that project because everybody, everybody may
Speaker 2: not know. Yeah, so this is this is the platform
Speaker 2: to tell him what it is.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: Lusha was working on looking for myself. I was the
Speaker 4: least qualified in that room. Diplo was going crazy with
Speaker 4: the Beyonce Run the World. Usher's Usher Miguel was coming
Speaker 4: in and out, and I literally was like, why do
Speaker 4: these niggas have me here? Like is this Mark Pitts
Speaker 4: just like really just trying to help me? Like this
Speaker 4: pists got a heart like that? Or does us know
Speaker 4: what I could do that?
Speaker 3: He did? He asked me to be.
Speaker 4: Here personally, and I just remember just like sometimes should
Speaker 4: I speak up, should I say anything? So I would
Speaker 4: try to come to the studio before like anybody got
Speaker 4: there to just kind of get my ideas off so
Speaker 4: that if Usher heard it, he would like it. And
Speaker 4: how we really bond it was through connect For and
Speaker 4: I think just how good I was at connect For.
Speaker 4: I think he was able to be like, Okay, this
Speaker 4: guy's actually intelligent, but he's so smart, Like I see
Speaker 4: why him and Beyonce have had the longevity that he
Speaker 4: watched me play and played me long enough to study
Speaker 4: how I played, and he's one of the first people
Speaker 4: to ever beat me and connect For, like, that's like
Speaker 4: one of my superpowers.
Speaker 3: Is my superpower?
Speaker 4: I'm damning like unbeatable thing, Okay, And he told me
Speaker 4: he was like, I know who could get you.
Speaker 3: He's like Beyonce and gets you.
Speaker 4: So there's like I don't know, there's there's something, but
Speaker 4: I feel like that was when the ice broke and
Speaker 4: I was able to have that synergy with him to
Speaker 4: create a record like Climax, because prior to that we
Speaker 4: were just there and I was like trying to do things,
Speaker 4: and I remember somebody was like do that a LANDA shit.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not from Atlanta. I just lived in
Speaker 3: all Side in the trade.
Speaker 4: But I learned the moves that he was making when
Speaker 4: somebody was walking the room and be like, Hey, we're
Speaker 4: gonna rap this tour and hit these markets first, We're
Speaker 4: gonna do these I'm like listening because artist development is
Speaker 4: not a thing anymore. So now I get to be
Speaker 4: exposed and be a fly in the wall with a
Speaker 4: legend and understanding. Then one day he just was like,
Speaker 4: he was like, what do you listen to it? I'm
Speaker 4: like telling him about like I listened to Radiohead and
Speaker 4: we're going through songs and he's like playing me Empire
Speaker 4: of the Sun and he's like, you want to hear
Speaker 4: what didn't make Confessions? So I'm like, yes, I want
Speaker 4: to hear yeah, and he's playing me so and I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, this is insane. Why didn't this make
Speaker 4: the project? And he's like, hmm, the story it was
Speaker 4: a great song. This song might be better than this song,
Speaker 4: but it would have thrown off the conversation. So now
Speaker 4: I'm understanding committing to a body of work and sonically
Speaker 4: and just the discipline that takes, and when I look
Speaker 4: at money Long, I'm like, Okay, I know you was
Speaker 4: back there with Rihanna, just like listening, studying. When I
Speaker 4: look at how Victoria's moving, she wants it. You could
Speaker 4: tell she wasn't just in the room playing paddy Cake
Speaker 4: with Arianna Grande. She she was like, I need that,
Speaker 4: and when it's my time, I will be ready.
Speaker 3: And she was so ready.
Speaker 4: So I do feel like there's like a an appreciation
Speaker 4: now for the singer songwriter because we're the last of
Speaker 4: the for the last batch of people to go through
Speaker 4: artists development, and we understand the sacrifices that y'all make because.
Speaker 3: Now people like, oh, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Somebody told me the other day there was like I
Speaker 4: brought up somebody to them and they're like, I don't
Speaker 4: know who that is. I'm like, you do know as
Speaker 4: a musician, oh, I said Stevie Wonder.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, that's before my time. I was like,
Speaker 3: that's before my time.
Speaker 4: As a musician, it's your job, Like what are you
Speaker 4: pulling from?
Speaker 3: So you're just gonna pull from?
Speaker 1: Uh, that's a crazy you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: That Steve Wonder, just before you Steve wonders of all time,
Speaker 2: of all times.
Speaker 4: That makes me so mad. But this is somebody that's
Speaker 4: actually pretty successful, right, I get it.
Speaker 1: That's that.
Speaker 3: I'm just like that, ain't the flex that you think
Speaker 3: it is? You got to study.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go. I have a saying, and I say,
Speaker 1: I've said this a few times. When Climax was being made,
Speaker 1: there was no better song being made in the universe.
Speaker 2: Wow, bro, what I've heard him say that before about
Speaker 2: this song.
Speaker 1: I've heard him. Yes, when you were making that song,
Speaker 1: there was no better song being made in the universe. Wow, bro.
Speaker 1: I was that song dropped. I was shook it.
Speaker 4: Bro, that is the highest call I've ever got. And
Speaker 4: that's hard to audit that song.
Speaker 1: I had to listen to it over and over and over,
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's perfect.
Speaker 3: I didn't think we knew that at the time.
Speaker 1: That's a great song because I'm like a I'm like
Speaker 1: a medium house, R and B, gospel, classical, I'm a
Speaker 1: hybrid of I love fucking music and the meeting, the
Speaker 1: meeting of the worlds in so many different worlds. In
Speaker 1: that one song, it was all perfect. Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: Mark Pitts came in the room the next day when
Speaker 4: we did that record, and he played that record six times,
Speaker 4: maybe maybe ten times, and every time you played the
Speaker 4: Usher was damn gliding around the studio.
Speaker 3: This nigga can dance anything. He was just every time.
Speaker 4: I said, oh, they like this record, and Mark Piss said, congratulations,
Speaker 4: y'all made a T shirt record. I said, what is
Speaker 4: a T shirt record? He said, a song that can
Speaker 4: fit everybody. He said, anybody can wear a T shirt.
Speaker 4: And I was like, okay, But in my head I
Speaker 4: didn't understand it because I knew Usher.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So I wanted to get a record that
Speaker 3: he could really dance on.
Speaker 4: And then when he was like traveling his nat and
Speaker 4: I think they were like, yo, as we're playing it,
Speaker 4: it's looking like Climax is going to be the single.
Speaker 4: I'm like this slow song right now with the Temple,
Speaker 4: Calvin Harris and David Ghetto.
Speaker 1: It's not slow, yeah, it's not slow, it's moving like
Speaker 1: it's and his singing on this song right, it's like
Speaker 1: I have a top five of singers and no, no, no,
Speaker 1: and the top ten of singers right and Usher on
Speaker 1: this particular song it's top five.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: His performance on climax for me is a top five performance,
Speaker 1: whereas in I'm a singer, motherfucker. Yeah for sure, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have sang it like that, Really no, because because
Speaker 1: there's a thing right I could have copied. I can
Speaker 1: copy him because my vibrada is not naturally fast, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. His shifts like he's the one.
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys like back in those times,
Speaker 1: back in R. Kelly's times, the scatting he was early
Speaker 1: in that. I had to learn that that wasn't originally
Speaker 1: my style, so I'm able to. I learned a lot
Speaker 1: of things and owned a lot of things like they
Speaker 1: were mine, but they weren't. Some things are just ushers,
Speaker 1: they're his, you know what I'm saying. And on that song,
Speaker 1: his ownership of that song, the way you got, the
Speaker 1: way you the way you wrote it, and the way
Speaker 1: it just made sense for him. It's an usher song.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. I don't hear anybody else say singing
Speaker 1: that song no one.
Speaker 4: Which is crazy because when I when that song came
Speaker 4: on and then I just got signed to death Jam,
Speaker 4: everybody's like, you're so stupid, how could you give that
Speaker 4: song to us?
Speaker 3: I'm like, y'all don't understand how songwriting works. We made
Speaker 3: that song.
Speaker 4: I was basically contracted to come to New York and
Speaker 4: do a song. And if you know, when you work
Speaker 4: with an artist of Usher's caliber, you're caliber. You're not
Speaker 4: write anybody who tells the truth in their music. You're
Speaker 4: not writing for anybody. You're writing with them, you're telling,
Speaker 4: you're helping them illustrate their story where they're at, and
Speaker 4: then they're gonna put them in the record. So exactly
Speaker 4: what you said, like that was his song from the beginning,
Speaker 4: But that's from the conversations we're having. We're talking about
Speaker 4: Empire of the Sun, Radiohead, and cold Play like him
Speaker 4: and I really love cold Play, like so that that
Speaker 4: verse is very cold.
Speaker 1: I went, I went to Vegas. I probably went to
Speaker 1: Vegas you'll like six times. And I'm just waiting for
Speaker 1: Climax and it never happened.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say this, and it's a threat. It's
Speaker 1: a threat if Climax is not on the set list
Speaker 1: on this tour, fall it's a problem. Somebody, somebody gonna
Speaker 1: get seen.
Speaker 3: And this is not the person to play with a conversation.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, this is a threat. If Climax is not
Speaker 1: in the set list.
Speaker 3: And you about this big, my friend, somebody will be seen.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I respect it because that's how I felt about Slowly
Speaker 2: And I put it back in to put put Slowly back.
Speaker 1: And set I did it. I did it.
Speaker 3: You do Please don't go right?
Speaker 1: Yeah you do.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll deserve.
Speaker 1: But you know, Slowly was Slowly was like.
Speaker 2: A fan favorite more so than it was like the
Speaker 2: chart favorite.
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't the art favorite because the niggas
Speaker 1: stole all the money. I saw another day to a
Speaker 1: nigga stole he stole the radio. What what eating a
Speaker 1: dummy company? Yeah? Yeah, this goes to the promotional I
Speaker 1: never knew, my cousin what's getting siphoned, getting worked the
Speaker 1: music business. The music one thing I am is aware.
Speaker 1: So if I hear a certain song and they killed
Speaker 1: it and they talking.
Speaker 2: About what if Jay Valentine would have Jay Valentine ain't
Speaker 2: gonna go nowhere near.
Speaker 3: Valentine. Nothing.
Speaker 2: Valentine know what he can and can't do. And I'm
Speaker 2: fine with that, you know what I'm saying. And and
Speaker 2: and to me, arretst should be fine with that. Man
Speaker 2: And should and should find their way to entertained.
Speaker 4: That is your artistry, because even when Tank was like,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have sung Climax like that.
Speaker 3: I'm over here like, but I'd be interested to see
Speaker 3: how you would.
Speaker 4: Have because it's your artistry, and it's your artistry and
Speaker 4: how you contribute to something.
Speaker 3: You're bringing yourself, your tone, you are approached to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you hear things and you're like, that's the
Speaker 1: way that should have been. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly how
Speaker 1: that ship. Don't nobody touch nothing, leave it alone, leave
Speaker 1: it alone. Well, time to be talented? Yeah, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: playing that little piano you learned?
Speaker 3: Though, Man, what is this?
Speaker 1: Take your time? There's normally a speech that goes right here.
Speaker 1: But the people just want to know what they want
Speaker 1: to know.
Speaker 3: H fun?
Speaker 6: Yeah, your top fun moment, top fun, your top fun
Speaker 6: Harry Easing what all me?
Speaker 3: So? Yeah, we got to know?
Speaker 1: How did they sow big though.
Speaker 5: You ain't gonna nor Yeah, gime on resolved?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, borry.
Speaker 3: Your son my god today? Okay, Top five.
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, Elijah Blake your top five R
Speaker 1: and B singers.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you said R and B singers all right,
Speaker 4: h this is no cap mhmm you tank, Donnie had
Speaker 4: the way Joe Brandy, come on, tough, will be tough?
Speaker 4: Who number five?
Speaker 1: Though? I think I know who know? Five? Two, three,
Speaker 1: four fifth?
Speaker 3: My surprise.
Speaker 1: Mariah, Oh, come on right, come on.
Speaker 4: I feel like in terms of being a vocal technician,
Speaker 4: she's nasty. I think that she doesn't get that credit.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what she she doesn't get that credit,
Speaker 1: but only because it lived in such a pop space.
Speaker 4: And that's why being able to write them runs in
Speaker 4: the melodies and get them a pop in that space.
Speaker 1: Like it's a shot. You think. They don't realize what
Speaker 1: that is, what it's insane. They don't realize what that is.
Speaker 1: Like I saw somebody the other day say yeah, but
Speaker 1: on the ground they ain't can't say. I say, what
Speaker 1: did you say?
Speaker 3: Jesus name, what.
Speaker 1: Did you just say? She can't do. I tend to
Speaker 1: find that.
Speaker 2: Vocalists, especially in our space, get they get knocked down
Speaker 2: vocally when they become more popular. Are they still more records?
Speaker 2: It's like when they speak about boys to men and
Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, boys to men was but ain't no
Speaker 2: no nothing, there is no like what do you talking
Speaker 2: of cold.
Speaker 3: They were singing in a pop space. They were pop stars.
Speaker 1: But that's the part in our Yeah, in our space.
Speaker 2: Yes, we look at that like, well, maybe they're not
Speaker 2: as cold because they wasn't keeping it as real.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: They were taking our music and giving it to the
Speaker 2: world world, Yes, and the highest level.
Speaker 1: Mariah Carey was giving it to the world at the highest.
Speaker 2: Level and still getting it off to where getting it
Speaker 2: off though, those who know can he getting it off?
Speaker 3: But did you hear what she just did? But the
Speaker 3: kids are singing along, don't.
Speaker 1: Know what's happened, no idea, what's happening?
Speaker 4: Yes, her and Beyonce do that the best, the best,
Speaker 4: the best. Beyonce sneaks it in just enough to let
Speaker 4: don't play with me if I don't hear it though, like.
Speaker 1: Because us as runners, we can hear. It's like this,
Speaker 1: she almost look up right there, watch right there? Got crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if it's very if I want to, I want.
Speaker 1: To, I will, Okay, Top five R and B songs,
Speaker 1: Oh so into you to me? Amazing song, amazing song.
Speaker 1: They easy. I mean, it's it's just it feels like
Speaker 1: summer breeze every.
Speaker 3: Time I got this song. It puts me in a
Speaker 3: good space. Can you stand the rain?
Speaker 1: Why not? Why not? About real song? Right? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, stories.
Speaker 3: And maybe just because dang standing there ain't water runs dry?
Speaker 3: Voice to man a song for you, Donnie Hathaway, And
Speaker 3: I have to say this, Brandy's when.
Speaker 1: You Touch Me talking about getting it off? She getting
Speaker 1: it off off. Nigga is so many intricate things that
Speaker 1: she does that feels subtle, and that in itself is
Speaker 1: a skill. You think it's easy. It is not.
Speaker 6: It is not.
Speaker 1: It is not sweet. I'd like to hear you don't
Speaker 1: run up on these notes.
Speaker 3: That's the master class on what to do, when to
Speaker 3: do it, how to do it?
Speaker 1: Can I tell you something? That song for me, she
Speaker 1: was already like one of my you know, she was
Speaker 1: already in Bible space for me. That song right there
Speaker 1: just it closed the book on anybody else being able
Speaker 1: to be that. Who wrote that song? Who wrote When
Speaker 1: You Touch Me? To write that? Yeah? Because that's that's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's them, That's the dream team.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: And I'm listening to this song and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: is happening right now?
Speaker 3: It just keeps getting better and better and better.
Speaker 1: Am I getting saved? Is the Lord touching me? Is
Speaker 1: when you touch the touching me?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 1: What is happening right now? And I am taking When
Speaker 1: I say.
Speaker 3: Note the harmonies she comes in delicate, then she's full
Speaker 3: belting at the air.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: We have and we have to and we can't look
Speaker 1: past the musical contribution, dur child, we can't look we
Speaker 1: can't look past the marriage, the perfect marriage of those things.
Speaker 1: I'm getting chills like that. As soon as the track
Speaker 1: came out, I was like, perfect, who's doing this? That
Speaker 1: song is incredible? And then she she just said, sit down, kids, yes,
Speaker 1: sit down, pull out your note pets. This is how Yes,
Speaker 1: you sing a song from top to bottom.
Speaker 3: Yes, now you sang a song.
Speaker 4: That song changed placement, arrangement, everything for me. I think
Speaker 4: it changed it for everybody. Yeah, Like that's the class
Speaker 4: of Brandy right there.
Speaker 1: For sure, that is the ultimate master. You said that,
Speaker 1: You said it right, that was the ultimate Brandy master.
Speaker 1: I remember what I was doing. I was hosting h
Speaker 1: R and B lived R and B Live here, and
Speaker 1: Brandy was was a special guest one night, and and
Speaker 1: I had never seen dudes like huddle up together like
Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder.
Speaker 3: Like she has that effect.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about my guys, Bob. Everybody was in the
Speaker 1: corner like.
Speaker 3: She did live, she was.
Speaker 1: Live performing live. Everybody was everybody was in the corner
Speaker 1: huddled up like like the musicians corner like that, like.
Speaker 3: What's she gonna do next?
Speaker 1: And she's just sitting on a stool singing and we
Speaker 1: are sitting we are like in all the entire time,
Speaker 1: is she the best? Hm? I will say an R
Speaker 1: and B if we're if we're for that, yes, because
Speaker 1: because Brandy is a thing. Not Jazmine over over Brandy. No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go Brandy. Well, I think
Speaker 1: Jasmine may have a slight edge on Brandy just in
Speaker 1: terms of the the hype right right, right, I feel
Speaker 1: like maybe Jasmine can sing a little higher, yeah, than
Speaker 1: than than Brandy. Right, But in terms of the dexter
Speaker 1: and the wheelhouse and the difficulty, she might be the best.
Speaker 3: I've asked this the singers at.
Speaker 1: That because then you go to the other the other
Speaker 1: bags that include Whitney and Beyonce and Celine Dion right,
Speaker 1: like those are different kinds of singers in a different
Speaker 1: type of bag with power right and fall. But but
Speaker 1: Beyonce can also go.
Speaker 3: Up and stay up.
Speaker 1: She can do that, so it's like jazzmin too. Brandy's
Speaker 1: a thing that I feel like Jasmine falls within.
Speaker 3: That's the best answer I thought. I had the best
Speaker 3: answer me and Rodney. You know how to ask.
Speaker 4: I had to ask Rodney. I asked this question to
Speaker 4: singers all day because I want to know. It's always
Speaker 4: Jazmine or Brandy or Beyonce. And I was talking Rodney,
Speaker 4: and uh, I said, you know, I think some singers
Speaker 4: are Superman and some singers are Batman. I'm not going
Speaker 4: to say who I feel like a Superman, but I
Speaker 4: feel like in any arena, Brandy is Batman. If you
Speaker 4: give her time to think, because she's a thinker, you'll
Speaker 4: never predict where she's coming from.
Speaker 3: It's just where she where she knows.
Speaker 4: It's not you know, everybody got their Pentatonic said, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, they can do those things that are just natural.
Speaker 3: But Brandy, where she goes, you just can never predict that.
Speaker 3: So how can you be prepared for that?
Speaker 1: It's just like you know, but it's all from the
Speaker 1: house of Kim. Yeah, so Kim built the house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Eric Dark is said the same thing. Do I have
Speaker 1: a video? I'm going to say he said the same thing.
Speaker 1: Kim built the house that they all live in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get if they all get a floor? Yeah, Kim built
Speaker 1: the house. Yeah, she built the ho I have. I
Speaker 1: just have a floor in the house. Kim, Kim built
Speaker 1: my house. In between John and then and then Isaac.
Speaker 3: And nobody gives Isaac his props.
Speaker 1: Us to watch Isaac on VHS whow singing with New Life, Yeah,
Speaker 1: every day him and Loel how are they doing that?
Speaker 3: And how niggas do it to?
Speaker 1: You study the niggas, study and all their parts? What
Speaker 1: about fred Hammon Monster? That's that's so my period of
Speaker 1: not running, I study Fred.
Speaker 3: Hammon, Tony s He's so how people look at Kim
Speaker 3: Tony's out there.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything Tony can do.
Speaker 4: And the mixing, I learned that I had never known
Speaker 4: a male singer to appear like they're belting that high.
Speaker 4: It was almost like he kind of showed and those
Speaker 4: so where like when I hear avery or sometimes I
Speaker 4: feel like when I do it, or like other singers,
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know what I mean, It's just I
Speaker 4: don't I can't find that prior to Tony, I can't
Speaker 4: maybe Darrel, but Daryl was.
Speaker 1: In full all the way or was he mixing too?
Speaker 1: I think Daryl was full.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Daryl was full. There was full chest
Speaker 4: Daryl coldly I'm talking about yeah, full chess.
Speaker 1: Now's a CARDI surprised me. I was like, how are
Speaker 1: you doing that that high? He's mixing right, he's mixing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's mixing cold.
Speaker 3: It's a smoo. We're not taking nothing away.
Speaker 1: He's mixing so cold. I tried it. When that's it. No,
Speaker 1: I don't have it. I don't I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: have that at the end of heart record full Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I've drank too much. Patron at this point, you
Speaker 1: can still do it. No no, no, absolutely not even no, no, no,
Speaker 1: don't have that. That's full right full, So I ain't
Speaker 1: got it no more. You come to see that, good luck,
Speaker 1: I'll hire you. You bring that pink hair out.
Speaker 3: Nigga, y'all see me with that pink here, run turn
Speaker 3: the bikes off, cut the cut the power.
Speaker 1: Uh okay, let's build a vultron. Okay, your ultimate, your
Speaker 1: super r and b artists. I want to know where
Speaker 1: you're going to get the vocal from one vocal, the
Speaker 1: performance style, the styling, the passion of the artists, and
Speaker 1: who's going to write for the artists.
Speaker 3: This is good.
Speaker 4: This is the best one I've ever gotten. Princess styling
Speaker 4: vocal vocals of course, Whitney. Fuck yeah, I don't even
Speaker 4: have them saying, uh, the styling, Prince, I love that.
Speaker 1: Figure. You're gonna say that performance style fu okay you cook? Uh?
Speaker 3: Passion, oh, passion, passion, passion, Michael mm hmm.
Speaker 1: You say that, nigga. Yeah, it's all it was electric,
Speaker 1: just you felt that what is happening?
Speaker 3: He wanted don't play people who fight like that? Didn't
Speaker 3: till jo jot bit and let's don't.
Speaker 1: I know those bubbles? Well, who's writing for the artist?
Speaker 3: Babyface? Yeah yeah, I actually want to hear.
Speaker 6: That, like.
Speaker 1: I need I need a baby Face written song. You
Speaker 1: can get that. No, I'm just I'm just saying it
Speaker 1: out loud on the loud speaker so that so that
Speaker 1: the people can tag him when they watch this.
Speaker 3: The fact that it hasn't happened already, act like he
Speaker 3: can't call it no no, no, no no, no.
Speaker 1: Different kind of pressure on him. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's not as a friend called your friends. He amy
Speaker 1: I need to sign something.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think Face really be on the ground like that.
Speaker 1: But okay, I think it's gonna get to him. Don't
Speaker 1: get to him, A ricas, don't get to him. The
Speaker 1: Tank say he wants a baby Face written song, not
Speaker 1: no Tank involved. I know nothing when Face did Ronie
Speaker 1: or Face did? I want that.
Speaker 3: I want to be at that session just I won't
Speaker 3: even say nothing.
Speaker 1: I just want to watch line me up and sing
Speaker 1: the backgrounds say less it don't it don't work if
Speaker 1: baby Face ain't in the backgrounds. Shoot a do you do?
Speaker 3: I want to hear that. What what with the bridge
Speaker 3: and the chords changing in the pree and then the
Speaker 3: bridge that changes keys?
Speaker 1: He's a colst mm hmmm mm hm. But you got that?
Speaker 1: Hold on? I like that better. I ain't saying no nicks. Hey,
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no nick Come on, I ain't saying
Speaker 1: no nigs. I ain't saying no niggas. Where you was
Speaker 1: we used?
Speaker 3: What you need?
Speaker 1: Don't say she. I ain't saying.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, we hear now you didn't
Speaker 2: seen no what he was looking at me like it
Speaker 2: he turned up, he turned out.
Speaker 1: Back to that church.
Speaker 3: But yeah, wow, I can't even play with that church.
Speaker 1: Got second second, We.
Speaker 2: Had a very important segment. That's what you tell us
Speaker 2: a story funny or fucked up? Are funny and fucked
Speaker 2: up during your time in this music business. The only
Speaker 2: rulee to the game is you can't say no names.
Speaker 1: The only rule. Mm hmm okay, okay, that one quick.
Speaker 3: People, people, this is the craziest thing I've ever witnessed.
Speaker 4: But if the people watching this, the artist watching this,
Speaker 4: there was so many people in this from will know
Speaker 4: exactly what happened.
Speaker 3: I was at a popular party in Miami.
Speaker 4: On New Year's and I was with a very popular
Speaker 4: singer and uh, there was a rapper in the room
Speaker 4: who had just kind of the singer felt like the
Speaker 4: rapper took like unnecessarily jabs at her throughout her career,
Speaker 4: and she just didn't know where it was coming from.
Speaker 4: And we're talking to the we're having a conversation about it,
Speaker 4: and you know, everybody in the rooms like maybe it's
Speaker 4: in your head, maybe it's.
Speaker 1: Not that you know.
Speaker 4: But she's like, I don't necessarily want to have any issues,
Speaker 4: and maybe I'm in my head, so this is why
Speaker 4: just when we're around each.
Speaker 3: Other, I just don't speak.
Speaker 4: The rapper comes in the room, so now I'm seeing
Speaker 4: it firsthand. The rapper comes in the room and addresses
Speaker 4: everybody but her mm hm. And now she's irritated because
Speaker 4: she's had enough, so she says, come on, man, every time,
Speaker 4: and the rapper says every time?
Speaker 1: What every time?
Speaker 3: You're gonna just act like you don't see me every time.
Speaker 4: At this point, I'm thinking the rapper is gonna say,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm so sorry understanding that.
Speaker 3: Bars the rapper walks up, it says, because I don't
Speaker 3: see you. This singer ain't for the play play, so
Speaker 3: she just needed permission to really take it there the street.
Speaker 3: She said, well, fuck you looking like an uncooked sausage.
Speaker 4: You just don't know how to not handle you just
Speaker 4: you just don't know how to handle not being the
Speaker 4: badest bitch when you walk into the room. At this point,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm about to get jumped because I can't
Speaker 4: hit with her.
Speaker 3: Jesus.
Speaker 4: It got so bad that I'm like, let's go outside
Speaker 4: because we're about to get joke, but then the rapper
Speaker 4: ends up coming out and just apologizing and saying it
Speaker 4: was a misunderstanding. But to me, if you guys knew
Speaker 4: the people in this room and this take up because
Speaker 4: I'm at this party, I'm not. I've always had an
Speaker 4: old soul. So around ten pm, I'm ready to go
Speaker 4: to sleep. Even when I was like twenty one, I'm
Speaker 4: ready to go to sleep. I can't really keep up
Speaker 4: with everybody. So this took place as I'm half asleep,
Speaker 4: so I'm waking up to World War three, Like, wait,
Speaker 4: what's happening? Why are you fighting with this nigga? So
Speaker 4: that might be the craziest thing I've ever witnessed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't see you, I thought it.
Speaker 4: Was over then, But I should have never estimated the
Speaker 4: person I was with, because she was gonna.
Speaker 3: Take it there.
Speaker 1: She was like with thennis On.
Speaker 3: Walk in the room was like, yikes, now this.
Speaker 1: Fight this whole thing, I don't care who fight. They
Speaker 1: didn't fight. It was able to get squashed.
Speaker 3: They apologized, but I was ready to do my special
Speaker 3: move because once I get you in the here, like.
Speaker 1: We gotta go.
Speaker 4: And I'm a fan of the raffer. It's very well
Speaker 4: understood of Florida. Once Red gets you in the here like,
Speaker 4: you're not coming out of it. So I was gonna
Speaker 4: jump high off of something, bring him low and then
Speaker 4: let God handle the rest.
Speaker 1: But you, man, you're the headlock, specially if.
Speaker 3: You're not getting out of it. It's a monkey grip.
Speaker 1: Just prepare for the worst hold on it of all
Speaker 1: the bar fight moves to heaven. Your report, yours is
Speaker 1: the headlock.
Speaker 3: You never feel me.
Speaker 4: You hold on and you let the word themselves out
Speaker 4: trying to get out of it. I just I just
Speaker 4: want to say, and you throw a windmill in there
Speaker 4: every now and then. That's a horrible.
Speaker 3: Impial slide. We slipping and sliding like a tree.
Speaker 1: Daddy treated record, especially while you're going like were you
Speaker 1: going right here with the with the basic one?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm putting to sleep.
Speaker 1: You are getting this full d d T.
Speaker 3: Somebody did slam me on my head.
Speaker 1: You're getting this. You're getting this over the shoulders, suplex.
Speaker 1: It's going to hurt you more than it's going to
Speaker 1: hurt me.
Speaker 4: And the nigga was your side. He slammed me on
Speaker 4: my head. That's my person never gets outs how it happened,
Speaker 4: but I gotta put him in head like a glass.
Speaker 1: We're glass. You became a singer, and he helped calm
Speaker 1: your spirit. I can see it now.
Speaker 3: This second time I was, I knew his move on
Speaker 3: the w w. Oh no, he's going to the headlock.
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh my god.
Speaker 3: The second time I was putting a sleep.
Speaker 1: You gotta call it a name that the headlock has
Speaker 1: to have a name. At this point, I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: it the monkey grip. I don't think that's not the one. Wait,
Speaker 1: what's monkey grip? Also, let's not do it. Let's just
Speaker 1: I was getting ready to do my special to just
Speaker 1: promote the pillow man. Don't try to choke out rappers.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to because I was actually a fan
Speaker 3: of this rapper.
Speaker 1: I just I'm just imagining you going to the top rope,
Speaker 1: trying to jump off of something to get to the headlines.
Speaker 3: It was a piano by me, so I was gonna
Speaker 3: get on the piano.
Speaker 1: You calculated getting on the piano, and I'm like, we're about.
Speaker 3: To get jumped.
Speaker 1: It was that intense. I can laugh about it, but
Speaker 1: it was so there's no way to get to the
Speaker 1: headlock from the ground.
Speaker 3: I didn't have enough room to run and didn't do it.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't need it momentum.
Speaker 1: This is Greg. We have to put him in a
Speaker 1: position somewhere. I wanted to see that. I got to
Speaker 1: see him do it. You have to video you like
Speaker 1: it's leth Bro. Let me just tell you something, Bro again,
Speaker 1: like I said before, you are you are the quality
Speaker 1: than that. That of course our genre. But music music
Speaker 1: needs man and and and thank you for you know,
Speaker 1: for continuing for pushing through. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We all have highs and off hals lows, and sometimes
Speaker 1: we don't know how necessary we are until we get
Speaker 1: on the other side of that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And you show up on the Army Money podcast and
Speaker 1: I let you know how important Climax was to me
Speaker 1: as a singer, songwriter, producer, as an existence in this
Speaker 1: whole thing. You know what I'm saying, Like, never discount
Speaker 1: that as you as you continue to go through this journey,
Speaker 1: as you continue to get better man and get bigger,
Speaker 1: someone is connected to you that needs what you.
Speaker 4: Do, Bro, that means the most. I just thank y'all
Speaker 4: for extending yall platform. The fact that there is an
Speaker 4: R and B platform. We don't have many, and I
Speaker 4: think that this should inspire people to do more, especially
Speaker 4: since you guys have been in the trenches.
Speaker 3: Like when I hear you talk about it, yeah, it
Speaker 3: gives me chills.
Speaker 4: When I hear you talk about it, it gives me
Speaker 4: chills because the underdogs, like basically we're the template for
Speaker 4: songwriting production, vocal production. A lot of it was just
Speaker 4: me finding when records used to leave, just wanting to
Speaker 4: learn more and study as much as I can so
Speaker 4: to be here. And again I didn't get to meet
Speaker 4: a lot of my heroes. So meeting my heroes in
Speaker 4: a way and then watching people like you guys, or
Speaker 4: even Stevie say I hear you, it's makes I have
Speaker 4: no choice but to be better and to acknowledge certain things.
Speaker 1: And they continue. Yeah, bro, we appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Thank y'all. Man, man, we appreciate you pulling up. We
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