Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
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Speaker 1: you today, the nation's own git here stops by to
Speaker 1: talk about one of the very few bright spots, Leonard
Speaker 1: Leo versus Donald Trump. Then we'll talk to Minnesota Lieutenant
Speaker 1: Governor Peggy Flanagan about her run for the Senate. But
Speaker 1: first the news Somali.
Speaker 2: We got very very bleak news out of the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: Everybody's trying to say, like, oh, thank god, the courts
Speaker 2: are saving us. Well, there's five hundred thousand immigrants that
Speaker 2: the Court is not going to save from Cuba, Haiti,
Speaker 2: Nicaragua and Venezuela.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's important to remember then, while the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court occasionally does something to prevent a complete bax
Speaker 1: slide into authoritarianism, they are largely very much the most
Speaker 1: conservative Supreme Court in probably fifty years. They overturned Roe v. Wade,
Speaker 1: They empower corporations every day. These are not your fronts.
Speaker 1: And in case you're wondering. A pretty great example of
Speaker 1: that was this Supreme Court decision. Trump administration can now
Speaker 1: end a program that gave temporary production to more than
Speaker 1: half a million immigrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela.
Speaker 1: You'll remember we've talked about this a lot. This was
Speaker 1: we became this country after the Holocaust, right, a country
Speaker 1: that welcomed immigrants, that had a moral imperative to not
Speaker 1: to be the people who turned around the boat to
Speaker 1: go back to the desk camp. So what we are
Speaker 1: now that country that does that. And I'm not surprised,
Speaker 1: nor should any of us be, but it's just an absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's just devastating and it's so sad, and people will
Speaker 1: go back to their countries and be murdered and we
Speaker 1: will have done it right, the GOP will have done it.
Speaker 1: And you know this is Mega. Mega does not want
Speaker 1: any moral compass when it comes to immigration. They just
Speaker 1: don't want immigrants unless, of course they're from South Africa
Speaker 1: and then they can come, but otherwise they cannot. So
Speaker 1: here we are.
Speaker 2: So Trump's very stupid, big cruel Bill are the big
Speaker 2: Beautiful Bill as they like to call it, is also
Speaker 2: has another nice thing hidden in it. It's going to
Speaker 2: roll back the Affordable Care Act, which will hurt so
Speaker 2: many different Americans for many years. When I had cancer
Speaker 2: years ago, it's one of the only reasons I am
Speaker 2: still alive. So this is very disheartening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the whole idea here, even though this
Speaker 1: bill does in fact raise the deficit about three zero
Speaker 1: point three trillion dollars, is that this bill, it tries
Speaker 1: to run against Medicaid expansion. It tries to roll back
Speaker 1: a lot of the expansion that happened under Biden, and
Speaker 1: it does all sorts of like seemingly fraudulent things like
Speaker 1: making it hard to stay on Medicaid, making it hard
Speaker 1: to register for Medicaid, making it I mean, all of
Speaker 1: these little bits, it's still not saving anyone any money, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like a rounding error. You know
Speaker 1: what would work here is if you fucking raise taxes.
Speaker 1: And in fact, I just want to pause for a
Speaker 1: second and just go into my thoughts here. This is
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you my thoughts. We have at
Speaker 1: this moment an opportunity and it's funny Trump said he
Speaker 1: wanted to do it. I actually don't believe he ever
Speaker 1: wanted to do it, but I think he knew that
Speaker 1: there was an appetite for it. And this idea of
Speaker 1: a tax bracket from people make over two point five
Speaker 1: million dollars a year, which is a ton of money. Right,
Speaker 1: over two point five million dollars a year. That's a
Speaker 1: ton of money, and there should be a tax backet
Speaker 1: for those people. There is no reason that people that
Speaker 1: we have people making people who have one hundred billion
Speaker 1: dollars or you know, eighty billion dollars. It's just completely nonsensical,
Speaker 1: you know. And also they need to fund the irs.
Speaker 1: So again, there are a lot of Democrats who have
Speaker 1: talked about this, I think pretty well, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: Elon Musk, the richest man in the world, making sure
Speaker 1: your grandmother doesn't get, you know, get sixty four dollars
Speaker 1: instead of sixty five dollars. And that's what this comes
Speaker 1: down to. We are niggling and diming the poorest Americans
Speaker 1: children on SNAP benefits, right, I mean, just they're cutting SNAP,
Speaker 1: they're cutting Medicaid, they're cutting they're just cutting all of
Speaker 1: the stuff that people need, and they're doing it in
Speaker 1: the service of tax cuts for very rich people. So
Speaker 1: This is one of the yet another sort of scammy
Speaker 1: thing that they're doing here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of scams, many people always talk about how
Speaker 2: Trump is a product of our reality television. But now
Speaker 2: what we're also seeing is he's a product of the
Speaker 2: commercials that run between reality shows, which is saying that
Speaker 2: he's caused great mental anguish in his lawsuit with CBS,
Speaker 2: and he deserves much more money for his mental anguish.
Speaker 2: Just like a silino in Barnes at.
Speaker 1: Stop giving into Trump. It doesn't work. You know, you
Speaker 1: have these law firms that made deals with Trump. Now
Speaker 1: you have every person in the world things they can
Speaker 1: get free pro bono from them. There was a great
Speaker 1: piece I think it was in the New York Times
Speaker 1: about veterans, Oh no, it was in the Wall Street Journal,
Speaker 1: veterans who felt they had been hurt by anti Trump
Speaker 1: forces trying to get these fancy lawyers to do pro
Speaker 1: bono for them. I mean, this is just such a
Speaker 1: insane You cannot negotiate with him, do not try to
Speaker 1: make deals with him. So now, and he's also just
Speaker 1: so grifty. So now he turned down a fifteen million
Speaker 1: dollars settlement because he wants twenty five million dollars in
Speaker 1: an apology. But what really Trump wants. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: my man is grifty as how don't do this. It
Speaker 1: doesn't work. Like if you pay out Donald Trump twenty
Speaker 1: five million dollars, here's what's going to happen. He doesn't care.
Speaker 1: It will encourage him to go after you more if
Speaker 1: you don't do that and you fight him like Harvard
Speaker 1: is the American people say, oh wow, this person is
Speaker 1: not a bad person. This person is actually doing the
Speaker 1: right thing. And so it's just this is so easy.
Speaker 1: Don't do stuff like the Sherry Redstone thinks that by
Speaker 1: doing this she'll get the murder through. But the truth
Speaker 1: is what they should have done is they should have
Speaker 1: just kept negotiating and kept pushing back and eventually Donald
Speaker 1: Trump would have forgotten about it and moved on. Instead,
Speaker 1: what they're doing, you know, or they could have fought
Speaker 1: back more publicly and then it would have become a
Speaker 1: big issue and either way they would have won in court. Instead,
Speaker 1: what they're doing, and this is what happens when you
Speaker 1: make a deal with Trump, is they now made a deal,
Speaker 1: or they're trying to make a deal. They don't the
Speaker 1: courts do not have their backs right, because they have
Speaker 1: to say, you know, they're going to try to make
Speaker 1: a deal with Trump, and then we all know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen, which is Trump is going to change
Speaker 1: his mind, which is what always happens. You can't trust him,
Speaker 1: sooner or later he will recant the deal and change
Speaker 1: the deal, and so stop doing this. This is ridiculous,
Speaker 1: so annoying. It's also really really really bad for American democracy.
Speaker 1: You know, what little we have left of really good
Speaker 1: news institutions. CBS is just ruining itself for a merger
Speaker 1: that you know, Trump still could end up stopping. And
Speaker 1: it's just so disappointing. I'm so disappointed and everyone involved
Speaker 1: in this really what what a as we say, A Shonda.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, as we discuss in the next segment on
Speaker 2: this podcast, The New York Times has a report out
Speaker 2: about Elon doing an amount of drugs that I've not
Speaker 2: seen since my days in the record business working with
Speaker 2: very famous drug addict artists.
Speaker 1: Ed.
Speaker 2: So Stephen Miller was asked about it, and he said,
Speaker 2: the thing that we all know, we're worried about drugs
Speaker 2: crossing the border, and they always look the other way
Speaker 2: when it's a rich white guy doing it.
Speaker 1: It's so unbelievably bad. I mean, it's also this has
Speaker 1: never been about any of the things they say it is.
Speaker 1: You know, they say it's about fentanyl. It's not about fentanyl.
Speaker 1: This is that, right, It's about preventing drugs. It's about this,
Speaker 1: It's about that. It's not about any of this fucking stuff.
Speaker 1: It's actually about the Trump administration trying to get what
Speaker 1: they can get out of the country, to get what
Speaker 1: they can get out of the government, to make money.
Speaker 1: And I really, really, really think that there is no
Speaker 1: world which it's good that you have somebody who has
Speaker 1: got tons of different security clearances and that person is
Speaker 1: also taking drugs. According to the New York Times, psychedelics.
Speaker 2: Not just drugs, like drugs that really make you hallucinate
Speaker 2: and not think in your right mind while you're around levers.
Speaker 3: That could do a lot of damage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Look for Stephen Miller, the answer is always racism.
Speaker 1: It's always right. So what he's really saying.
Speaker 3: Real hammer and nail scenario, right.
Speaker 1: So what he's really saying is I just want to
Speaker 1: use the drug stuff as a way to try to
Speaker 1: go to war with Mexico. So the point is that
Speaker 1: the worries about drugs, the calls are coming from in
Speaker 1: the administration, and there we go. So look, and you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think when you look back at Elon's behavior,
Speaker 1: this is not a person who behaved in a rational way.
Speaker 1: So you know from the chainsaw on stage, by the way,
Speaker 1: he was holding the chainsaw wrong. It turns out I'm
Speaker 1: not a chainsaw ficial, but yeah, he was holding it wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I know, you're shocked to hear that because
Speaker 1: of all the time I spend chainsawing, But I actually
Speaker 1: am not a chainsaw person. But yeah, I mean he
Speaker 1: was holding the chain you know, they're just at every point.
Speaker 1: And also you know all of the children, the many, many,
Speaker 1: many children, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it brings us back to the days of the
Speaker 2: White House prescription scandal being a kind of lighter, lighter thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, well, and these are the people who were
Speaker 1: so obsessed with Hunter Biden's laptop and drugs. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, those people are now defending Elon. Gee, here's
Speaker 1: a contributor to the nation and the host of the
Speaker 1: time of Monster. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to fast politics. Get here.
Speaker 1: Always good to be on the proneground. I don't know.
Speaker 1: There was so much news this morning. I was like
Speaker 1: in the car reading between I'm not driving because nobody
Speaker 1: ever loves me drive because everybody's mean to me. But
Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start, right? Do we
Speaker 1: start with that Elon Musk New York Times he's got
Speaker 1: bladder problems from ketamine. I mean, is that where we start?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I had a kind of like, I've
Speaker 4: been actually thinking about writing about this for a while now,
Speaker 4: and I guess this article gives me a good occasion too,
Speaker 4: because the Trump administration is on drugs, not in a
Speaker 4: good way. There's a kind of a lot of substance
Speaker 4: of use. And it's kind of curious because, I mean,
Speaker 4: the wrap on Trump was always like, well, his older
Speaker 4: brother was an alcoholic. He wasn't like people who drink
Speaker 4: and whatnot. And I don't know, he's sort of in
Speaker 4: his yellow face because like it seems like you have
Speaker 4: to have uh, the you know, like, hey, heck Xeth
Speaker 4: serious alcoholic.
Speaker 3: Who's the other one?
Speaker 1: Judge a judge, box of wine. Judge Judge Pirow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly exactly. She said, you're normally like the human response,
Speaker 4: you know, like very sympathetic. You know, they should be
Speaker 4: doing it, but like, you know, should you be in
Speaker 4: charge of the Pentagon while.
Speaker 1: You're working on these issues?
Speaker 4: I know, necessarily no, but it actually and I think
Speaker 4: there's a couple of things going on here, which is,
Speaker 4: I think that people mistakenly think of drugs as like
Speaker 4: this hippie left wing thing, right, but in Silicon Valley,
Speaker 4: like sort of performance enhancement, drugs have become a big thing,
Speaker 4: like ketamine. Uh, And it's all a part of you know,
Speaker 4: this kind of like culture of neoliberal competition and you
Speaker 4: have to be one step ahead and you have to
Speaker 4: you know, like and then also their faith and technology.
Speaker 4: Do they think that these things will make to us
Speaker 4: a brainiac's super rain that's faster than everyone everyone else?
Speaker 4: And it actual has a long kind of history on
Speaker 4: the right, going back to the nineteen fifties. Brian Doherty
Speaker 4: has a great book on the radicals for Capitalism, on
Speaker 4: the libertarian movement, and he basically shows in the fifties
Speaker 4: or already, these businessmen who are like, you know, they
Speaker 4: wanted to cut taxes, real hardcore republicans. But you know,
Speaker 4: we're also doing a lot of experimentation with LSD and
Speaker 4: other things. It's easily like it's part of this culture
Speaker 4: of individualism. And also they think that they're superman.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I want to talk about this because
Speaker 1: it's so interesting. Like Trump one point oh, you and
Speaker 1: I both have been writing about this. Yeah forever, right,
Speaker 1: I feel like we've fucking aged so much, you know,
Speaker 1: Trump one point oh.
Speaker 4: I have to say, I'm only like like you as
Speaker 4: you look like ten years younger than when I first
Speaker 4: met you. I feel that there's a year like ver veritable,
Speaker 4: dury and gray, that there's a painting in that closet
Speaker 4: behind you that's rapidly agent. Yes, yeah, yeah, you're keeping
Speaker 4: up your spirit of youth.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you with botox and fillers. But that's fine. Yes,
Speaker 1: but Trump one point oh, grown ups in the room, Yes,
Speaker 1: Stom but still a lot of damage. But but disdain
Speaker 1: from from Silicon Valley Trump two point zero. Silicon Valley
Speaker 1: decides we can buy this guy pretty cheap. Let's go.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, that I think that's that is a large
Speaker 4: part of the story. I think it's also that Trump
Speaker 4: felt burned by both the loss of the election and
Speaker 4: then some of the establishment blowback, and also the fact
Speaker 4: that visually everyone that worked for his first administration with
Speaker 4: a book saying this guy's a psychopath should be power.
Speaker 4: So he decided, you know, like that it's the second
Speaker 4: time around. You know, I'm not gonna go like listen
Speaker 4: to Mitch McConnell as to who I should put in
Speaker 4: the pensagon.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna try.
Speaker 4: Him, you know, like the whoever is like kisses my
Speaker 4: ass the most and we'll like And also all these
Speaker 4: hardcore ideologs who were radicalized along with Trump, who you know, like,
Speaker 4: so it is it is a very and we reach
Speaker 4: a point where, like, I mean, the other bit of
Speaker 4: news which ties in with this is like Trump on
Speaker 4: the Federalist Society ran the show. They were the ones
Speaker 4: we're making all the judicial appointments, and now Trump is
Speaker 4: finding that some of those judges are not as much
Speaker 4: in his pockets. Yes they should be, yes, And so
Speaker 4: he's just just like post about Leonard Leo saying, you know,
Speaker 4: he's a sleezebag who hates America in his own way,
Speaker 4: and you know, like this is like your cossack, let
Speaker 4: them flight because Leonard Deal is one of the most
Speaker 4: evil men in America.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, but not for the reasons.
Speaker 3: That Trump thinks.
Speaker 1: Right. So this is the breaking news is that today
Speaker 1: this this podcast will air tomorrow on Saturday, but we'll
Speaker 1: still be talking about this because it's so stupid, and
Speaker 1: I also want the record to show that we are
Speaker 1: laughing to keep from crying. Personally, I am as upset
Speaker 1: as I've ever been about the state of American It's terrible,
Speaker 1: I mean, right, but Leonard Leo, I want to go
Speaker 1: into this because Leonard leon really is incredibly responsible for
Speaker 1: everything we're going through right now. Donald J. Trump, on
Speaker 1: truth social a very mad We could read some of
Speaker 1: the truth, but basically the net net of it is
Speaker 1: he's very mad at Leonard Leo. We think this is
Speaker 1: about the tariffs and the case that Leonard Leo's group
Speaker 1: is bringing with the surviving Koch brother about where they're
Speaker 1: going to take away tariff authority from Trump because Trump
Speaker 1: is a mad king and he is really fucking up
Speaker 1: the American economy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's right, and I think there's a couple
Speaker 4: of other issues as well, which yeah, please. Leonard Leo
Speaker 4: also had helped appoint a lot of Trump judges from
Speaker 4: the first term, and some of these judges are the
Speaker 4: ones that are flitting against Trump. And so Trump does
Speaker 4: feel this is a great portrayal because you know, he
Speaker 4: appointed those judges with the idea that they give him
Speaker 4: whatever he wants. But Leonard Leo to backtrack a little bit.
Speaker 4: I mean, like obviously, you know, going back to Roe v.
Speaker 4: Wade and the Warren Courts, the courts were a big
Speaker 4: kind of center for the right wing that they thought
Speaker 4: they had to take back the courts. And Leonard Leo
Speaker 4: with the Federal Society was the guy that came up
Speaker 4: with the strategy. And it came up with the strategy
Speaker 4: partially because initially they had problems, like they would nominate
Speaker 4: a Republicans would nominate someone like Sandra Day O'Connor or
Speaker 4: justice suitor, and they would be conservative on some economic stuff,
Speaker 4: but they would still uphold Roe v. Wade right, they
Speaker 4: would not go that extra mile. So the Federal Society
Speaker 4: was basically designed to make sure that this does not happen.
Speaker 4: And what they did was they created a huge, you know,
Speaker 4: like multimillion dollar industry within the legal system where they
Speaker 4: would I call it the legal grooming project. Would they
Speaker 4: would take these very impressionable young adults who were in
Speaker 4: law school, and they would show them that if you
Speaker 4: joined the Federal Society, you could suddenly get be an
Speaker 4: intern at top law firms and at the Supreme Court,
Speaker 4: and they would pick up people like the people that
Speaker 4: they picked up were like, you know, Brett Cavanaugh, Amy Coney,
Speaker 4: Barrett Gorshak and others at Clarence Thomas and hook them
Speaker 4: up with this legal system and make sure that you
Speaker 4: have these people who are like in the mafia, they're
Speaker 4: made men and made women in the case of Colney Vera,
Speaker 4: that they are you know, they'll be loyal to the
Speaker 4: team more than the Constitution. He got to the point where,
Speaker 4: like Leonard Leo was basically the one picking judges both
Speaker 4: under Bush Junior and under Crump. And this all worked
Speaker 4: out wonderfully for the Republicans that got you know, they
Speaker 4: got Row overturned, they got you know, citizens United, a
Speaker 4: lot of things. But now there's a kind of crisis
Speaker 4: point with Trump because it's two different legal visions. Trump's
Speaker 4: legal vision is I'm the king, right, This is like
Speaker 4: mel Breson History of the World. It's good to be
Speaker 4: the king. You get to do what you want. You know, Now,
Speaker 4: the Federal Society they still have a very right wing position,
Speaker 4: but it's this is a movement institution. Their thing is
Speaker 4: we want our judges who are going to overturn any
Speaker 4: laws that are social welfare, are going to overturn Biden's thing.
Speaker 4: And so for them it's very important that the courts
Speaker 4: be an independent power unit. And also that Trump doesn't
Speaker 4: do like, you know, anything that goes against the free market,
Speaker 4: like the tariffs, and so this has become a kind
Speaker 4: of division point, so that you know, we now have
Speaker 4: these two very bad factions.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: And you know when I read Trump's tr social post
Speaker 4: saying that Leonard Leo is a sleeve bag, it was,
Speaker 4: you know, you know, that great meme, you know, heartbreaking.
Speaker 4: Worst person in the world makes a good fight, worst
Speaker 4: person you know makes a good fight.
Speaker 1: So I think one of the central tensions of this
Speaker 1: problem for Donald Trump is that Trump has two justices
Speaker 1: who are in the tank for him, Thomas and Alito,
Speaker 1: and anything he wants, Thomas and Alito will sign off
Speaker 1: on the other three justice is it's more complicated, and
Speaker 1: then you know, and then there's Roberts, who again often
Speaker 1: will sign off with him, and Thomas and Alito are
Speaker 1: very tight with Leonard Leo. Yes, in fact, there's all
Speaker 1: of this reporting about Tom. You know, Thomas is basically
Speaker 1: Alito has bought his house, he bought his mother's house,
Speaker 1: He's made Yeah.
Speaker 4: Leo was the guy who set him up with what's
Speaker 4: this guy named crow the right, Remember Harley Crowe bought Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's the one who did the vocations and yeah, and
Speaker 4: then literally also got a job for Ginny Thomas. He
Speaker 4: got her a job which is kind of hidden the
Speaker 4: financial sources up. So totally corrupt guy. And this is
Speaker 4: actually going to be a kind of juncture point or
Speaker 4: this is a possible division, and it's kind of complicated
Speaker 4: for those of us, like you know, who are not
Speaker 4: I mean, I just sort of taking let them fight attitude,
Speaker 4: like the extend the judges are stopping Trump. That's all
Speaker 4: to the good. But my colleague at the Nation, Elie Mastelle,
Speaker 4: makes a kind of good point, which is that some
Speaker 4: of the Trump's judges, just because they're so incompetent, are
Speaker 4: actually like in the long term better because they'll make
Speaker 4: like really bad decisions that other judges like higher up,
Speaker 4: will overturn. Because whereas a Letyard Leo, I mean, these
Speaker 4: are people who work within the system and know how
Speaker 4: to maximize what they want out of the system.
Speaker 1: Right. It's the difference between a Judge Amy Coney Barrett,
Speaker 1: who is very smart but overturns Roby Wade very ideological.
Speaker 1: Though I do think recusing herself from that decision with
Speaker 1: the religious schools because it was Notre Dame involved, and
Speaker 1: she was a law professor at Notre Dame. She is
Speaker 1: very moral. Yeah, Like, I hard to imagine Alito and
Speaker 1: Thomas recusing themselves.
Speaker 4: Oh they haven't, they haven't. The al there's the cases
Speaker 4: where you know there are people who gave them money
Speaker 4: are involved, and.
Speaker 1: Then they're just like, yeah, So I do think she
Speaker 1: but she is very smart and very ideological and and newly,
Speaker 1: you know, you listen to her and you think, oh wow,
Speaker 1: we're in a lot of trouble, whereas someone like Judge
Speaker 1: A Lean Cannon, who I mean, she also has delivered
Speaker 1: for Trump, but she's clearly not a high level thinker
Speaker 1: the same one.
Speaker 4: No, No, yeah, well, I mean you should point that.
Speaker 4: I want to reason I brought up because I think
Speaker 4: it's a counterint point, but I think it's an interesting
Speaker 4: one that Ellie knows the law as well as anyone
Speaker 4: is that like actually in terms of like ultimately overturning
Speaker 4: this stuff, like to have some of those crazy Trump judges,
Speaker 4: even though they'll go along with them, like their stuff
Speaker 4: is like so badly written and so badly thought that
Speaker 4: it's going to force the Supreme Court and others to
Speaker 4: overturn it. So it's an interesting kind of me's It's
Speaker 4: a terrible dilemaivion, like like do you want to die
Speaker 4: of like liver cancer or do you want to die
Speaker 4: of throat cancer?
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no no. And
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point. I also think
Speaker 1: that as we are in this bizarre moment in American life,
Speaker 1: well all our democratic institutions are really under attack. You know,
Speaker 1: if we get through this thing, it will be a
Speaker 1: lot of luck.
Speaker 4: Well a lot of luck. But I mean, the other
Speaker 4: point I would make about all the court staff is
Speaker 4: like what is missing in all this equation is Congress, right, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: under the American constitution like checks and balances, Sure, the
Speaker 4: courts are supposed to be there, but the courts actually
Speaker 4: don't have a lot of power. And this notorious cases
Speaker 4: where you have presidents like you know, Andrew Jackson has said, well,
Speaker 4: the judges made their decision, let them enforce.
Speaker 3: It, right.
Speaker 4: But the institution that could actually like actually fight back
Speaker 4: against the president is Congress. And there's like two things.
Speaker 4: One is that the Republicans are totally on board with Trump,
Speaker 4: even when they go against stuff that their donor class
Speaker 4: wants and they themselves think, and so there's no checks
Speaker 4: from the Republicans. And the Democrats, you know, like with
Speaker 4: varying degrees, have taken a let's play dead strategy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so so Congress is the missing equation, like yeah,
Speaker 5: and then I'll catch you.
Speaker 4: Exactly because I swear about this. There's a real problem
Speaker 4: now with threats to judges, right, like no problem. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you saw the article where it's like dozens of judges
Speaker 4: got these pizza deliveries and it's all under the name
Speaker 4: of this the son of a judge who had been
Speaker 4: killed by litigant and this is clearly a threat. It's
Speaker 4: like it's a mafia thing. We know where you live,
Speaker 4: right yea. And judges are very worried because they're getting
Speaker 4: more and more threats, especially with like Trump saying like,
Speaker 4: you know, impeach the judges get rid of the judges
Speaker 4: and the inst titution that protects the federal judges. Below
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court is the US Marshall, which is controlled
Speaker 4: by the Attorney General, you know, like Pam Bondy by Trump.
Speaker 4: So so so judges like now are pushing it to
Speaker 4: they want Congress to like remove the US Marshal from
Speaker 4: the control of the White House and to make an
Speaker 4: independent police force. They don't think that like, you know,
Speaker 4: the president that's threatening them is gonna should be running
Speaker 4: the police force that protects them, right, Yeah, it's like
Speaker 4: putting a mafia boss in charge of the cops.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so so.
Speaker 4: But again Congress is missing and I'll give Corey Booker
Speaker 4: credit because he's the one he's actually introduced the bill
Speaker 4: to do exactly that, to like you know, like beef
Speaker 4: up security for judges and to make the US Marshals independent.
Speaker 4: And I think more Democrats need to be on this,
Speaker 4: and I think he's actually a winning issue, Like I
Speaker 4: think that Americans want check and balances. They understand the
Speaker 4: danger and you really have to be out there. Uh
Speaker 4: as for further midterm saying, you know, you give us
Speaker 4: the House, you give us the Senate, protect the judges.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I want to I think that's
Speaker 1: totally right. I also to think so many of our
Speaker 1: problems that we are having right now are because Congress
Speaker 1: refuse to regulate anything. I'm going to tell a very
Speaker 1: annoying story. I'm at a book party. A member of
Speaker 1: Congress is complaining about how there is no fact checking
Speaker 1: on social media, and I have a fork and want
Speaker 1: to stab my eye out because I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: wonder who could have done? Like they don't you know,
Speaker 1: you're going to fucking regulate stuff or the world is
Speaker 1: going to get ruined. Like this is how it is. Right.
Speaker 1: Republicans don't like regulation ideologically, Democrats don't like regulation because
Speaker 1: it's they have to work.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I think in particularly of a silicon value,
Speaker 4: the Democrats unfortunately helped create this monster because they have
Speaker 4: ties with Silicon Valley. Yes, they still take a lot
Speaker 4: of money, and so things like crypto and social media
Speaker 4: don't get regulated. And it is exactly I mean, that
Speaker 4: is the institution that has really failed, and it's a
Speaker 4: big problem, and it has become you know, like, it's
Speaker 4: not surprising that so many members of Congress are old
Speaker 4: and ailing and yeah, I think if if you're an
Speaker 4: ordinary Democrat, I think that the main institution you should
Speaker 4: be looking at thinking about where you can affect change
Speaker 4: is Congress. And you have to sure be like, you know,
Speaker 4: bothering your congressmen going to those town hell beatings, and
Speaker 4: if they're not, if they're caving it to Silicon Valley,
Speaker 4: you have to like primary them. You have to like
Speaker 4: replace them with Democrats who will fight. I mean, especially
Speaker 4: like I think there's a lot of these people in
Speaker 4: blue districts. It was like New York and California, where
Speaker 4: you know you could easily if you primary them, you're
Speaker 4: going to get another Democrat who could be a better
Speaker 4: Democrat than the stronger Democrat. So so Congress is a
Speaker 4: real battlefield here for like, if we're going to fix
Speaker 4: this thing, that's where the battle has.
Speaker 1: I agree, And I also just think we need our
Speaker 1: members of Congress to work. This is not you know, this,
Speaker 1: this is their fucking jobs. And I get so angry
Speaker 1: because I feel like the reason that Democrats are pulling
Speaker 1: poorly is not because Republicans are doing great. It's because
Speaker 1: Democrats are not doing enough, and that the people are
Speaker 1: mad because they are, Like, your job is to take
Speaker 1: care of us, to take care of those judges, to
Speaker 1: do this fucking work. We don't care that you have
Speaker 1: a book deal, We don't care that you have a podcast.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants, you know. I mean, such a great example
Speaker 1: of just wandering an opportunity to enact change, to you know,
Speaker 1: do the stuff we need as Americans for us. And
Speaker 1: I really do think these members of Congress have You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny because I'm friends with this activist. He's an
Speaker 1: activist among other things, and he has a whole theory
Speaker 1: of the case that all members of Congress are just
Speaker 1: incredibly selfish and obsessed with their own celebrity and unable,
Speaker 1: you know, that they're just not in there for public service,
Speaker 1: and we need to push our elected to be in
Speaker 1: there for public service.
Speaker 4: Sorry, yeah, yeah, I mean I think there's some of that.
Speaker 4: I mean there's other issues. There's also the money factor.
Speaker 4: You know that they have to be raising money, and
Speaker 4: and I think that we need to really move to
Speaker 4: a small donor model. The larger issues that they find
Speaker 4: it easier to sort of punt and to like just
Speaker 4: leave everything to either the president or the courts. And
Speaker 4: this is a real problem. I think if American democracy
Speaker 4: is going to be saved, I strongly feel Congress more
Speaker 4: than the President's He's the battleground and that's where you
Speaker 4: actually have to fix things.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 6: I think that's absolutely And we see that's the internal
Speaker 6: battle of the Democratic Party where like any attempt to
Speaker 6: reform to say, well, you know, some of these members
Speaker 6: that are like ninety years old and dying, maybe they.
Speaker 4: Should reside like like that resistance.
Speaker 5: That's that's like, see, yeah, you know, when you raised
Speaker 5: this stuff, you can attack like you're you're an ageist,
Speaker 5: You're like, uh so I actually think that, like yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, but I also think that it's good that Democrats,
Speaker 5: ordinary Democrats are mad at their own party and they're
Speaker 5: mad at Congress.
Speaker 4: I think that's where that is the pivot point at
Speaker 4: which things can get better.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Get here, Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: Always great to be on the program.
Speaker 1: Peggy flan Again is the Lieutenant governor of Minnesota and
Speaker 1: a Democratic candidate for the Senate in Minnesota. Welcome Too
Speaker 1: Fast Politics.
Speaker 7: Peggy, thank you so much for having me. I'm happy
Speaker 7: to be here.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you. We met each other
Speaker 1: at the Democratic National Convention and I interviewed you there.
Speaker 1: But because you are from the great sit of Minnesota,
Speaker 1: you are the lieutenant governor. For my I feel like
Speaker 1: he's my buddy, but I really feel like he's kind
Speaker 1: of everybody's buddy. Tim Walls.
Speaker 7: Yes, absolutely, I get to spend a lot of time
Speaker 7: talking about Tim Walls and how great he is. And
Speaker 7: you know it's part of the gig as being lieutenant governor.
Speaker 1: But you, yourself, you have a really inspirational and important story.
Speaker 1: So you know we have to do a Tim Walls
Speaker 1: name check. But now tell me how you found yourself
Speaker 1: in public service? Sure, so you know I didn't.
Speaker 7: I didn't expect to be in public service as a
Speaker 7: as a kid, I wanted to be a ballerina nurse,
Speaker 7: which is exactly you.
Speaker 1: Know what any ballerina nurses are. Yes, a really popular
Speaker 1: career path. Yes, yeah, popular group.
Speaker 7: But I spent my whole life, you know, growing up
Speaker 7: in a family where you know, we felt like the
Speaker 7: bottom could fall out at any moment, and I know
Speaker 7: that there's a lot of.
Speaker 1: Folks who feel that way. Can you explain to us
Speaker 1: why you felt like that? Absolutely?
Speaker 7: So I grew up with my mom, with a single
Speaker 7: mom who was just amazing, and I grew up in
Speaker 7: an apartment which we were able to move into because
Speaker 7: of a Section eight housing voucher. The Childcare Assistance program
Speaker 7: allowed my mom to go back to school and to
Speaker 7: get her certificates in phlebotomy at Saint Kat's and helped
Speaker 7: to lift our family into the middle class. But you know,
Speaker 7: Medicaid was my healthcare as a kid who had really
Speaker 7: severe asthma. It is how we paid the bills, how
Speaker 7: we made sure that I had access to all the
Speaker 7: medications that I needed, and sometimes it felt like I
Speaker 7: was in the hospital more than I was out when
Speaker 7: I was, you know, and coming up in elementary school.
Speaker 7: And you know, finally snap or back in the day,
Speaker 7: what we call the food stamps is what kept food
Speaker 7: on our table for our family. Were really fortunate. These
Speaker 7: public programs helped to support us.
Speaker 1: But also, you.
Speaker 7: Know, what we see happening right now, it certainly feels
Speaker 7: really personal for myself, and I know it feels really
Speaker 7: personal for folks all across the country. But I grew
Speaker 7: up around women and strong women who just did the
Speaker 7: damn thing. So you know, my aunties and my grandmas
Speaker 7: who just led organizations and were you know, political organizers,
Speaker 7: and so I just I saw that and never questioned
Speaker 7: whether or not women were in leadership. But I spent
Speaker 7: my college career studying child techology and American Indian studies.
Speaker 7: I went into working for nonprofits and American Indian nonprofit
Speaker 7: and saw firsthand how Native students and their families navigated
Speaker 7: the public school system and it wasn't great and the
Speaker 7: outcomes weren't great, and so I thought, you know, we
Speaker 7: need to find somebody to run for the school board
Speaker 7: and talk to a lot of folks, a lot of advocates,
Speaker 7: a lot of leaders.
Speaker 1: In the community.
Speaker 7: And one day people turned around and they looked at
Speaker 7: me and they said, why don't you do it? And
Speaker 7: I was like, that's not what it meant, So be
Speaker 7: careful what you asked for, I guess is the moral
Speaker 7: of that story.
Speaker 1: But I did.
Speaker 7: I decided to run. I was twenty four, without any
Speaker 7: kids in the district, but thought, you know, we need
Speaker 7: to make sure that we have a voice at the
Speaker 7: table and a diversity of voices. And so was elected
Speaker 7: there and really enjoyed my time there, making sure that
Speaker 7: community had a voice, and it learned an incredible just
Speaker 7: an incredible amount of navigating these systems and how we
Speaker 7: can make them more accessible for folks. And of course
Speaker 7: at the same time was working in nonprofits for the
Speaker 7: Council of Churches and then for a decade at Wellstone Action,
Speaker 7: which is the nonprofit that grew out of the late
Speaker 7: great Senator Paul Wellstone's campaign, which is incredible and where
Speaker 7: I actually met Tim Walls, who at the time was
Speaker 7: a teacher who this stream of running for Congress, and
Speaker 7: you know, that then led me to be tapped by
Speaker 7: Marian right Edelman, the head of the Children's Defense Fund,
Speaker 7: to run Children's Defense Funds in Minnesota, where I got to,
Speaker 7: you know, fight for family economic security and work to
Speaker 7: move policies that were good for working families. And that
Speaker 7: certainly just led to my time at the Minnesota Legislature,
Speaker 7: and then was tapped to run with Tim Walls to
Speaker 7: be his Lieutenant governor, always focusing on these issues of
Speaker 7: family economic security, and so that is I think the
Speaker 7: through line from when I was a kid, you know,
Speaker 7: to now just knowing that there are so many folks
Speaker 7: who are experiencing just a lot of fear and insecurity,
Speaker 7: and it doesn't have to be that way, and we've
Speaker 7: got got more work to do. So I'm excited to
Speaker 7: try to big network that I've done throughout my entire
Speaker 7: career to Washington.
Speaker 1: I wonder if you could talk about you grew up
Speaker 1: somewhat on a rez, right.
Speaker 7: No, I did grow up on the res, but my
Speaker 7: dad was on the res. I'm kind of the perfect
Speaker 7: combination of my parents. So I'll say that. You know,
Speaker 7: my mom, right out of high school, she went and
Speaker 7: she volunteered on Hubert Humphreys presidential election in nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 7: And then my dad was absolutely a rabble rouser and protester,
Speaker 7: and you know, he said, my girl, you know, I
Speaker 7: want to burn the system down and you want to
Speaker 7: change it from the inside out. We need both, and
Speaker 7: I think you get you know, that combination, you get me.
Speaker 7: I'm a member of the of Whieters, which is an
Speaker 7: Ojibwe five in northern Minnesota. And my Ojibwe name is
Speaker 7: ji Waved McQuay, which means speaks in a loud and
Speaker 7: clear voice woman, you know, which I think is pretty
Speaker 7: on the nose, which is all false. And I'm part
Speaker 7: of a really strong urban native community here, we've got
Speaker 7: in the Twin Cities have an incredible urban native community
Speaker 7: as well.
Speaker 1: So you are running for Senate. Lieutenant governor is a
Speaker 1: very different job than being a member of this at it,
Speaker 1: but governorships and lieutenant governors say, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: similar thing. It's all about the executive branch, right making
Speaker 1: things happen, making things work. Why do you think and
Speaker 1: this is something I spend a lot of time thinking about,
Speaker 1: why do you think the Senate in Congress has so
Speaker 1: much trouble actually like legislating and getting things done in
Speaker 1: a way that governors and lieutenant governors do well.
Speaker 7: I think there's a difference between, you know, the executive
Speaker 7: branch and the legislative branch and the judicial branch. And
Speaker 7: by the way, I think having three full branches of
Speaker 7: government is a really important thing, even if there's some
Speaker 7: folks who don't share that philosophy right now, you know,
Speaker 7: certainly our politics are are really polarized right now. But
Speaker 7: as someone who served in the Minnesota Legislature, one of
Speaker 7: my favorite things about being part of a body like
Speaker 7: that is that you have to figure out ways to
Speaker 7: work together, to work across lines of difference to see
Speaker 7: where are those places and spaces where we you know,
Speaker 7: might not agree on everything, but we can find that
Speaker 7: one thing where we're able to move forward. You know,
Speaker 7: when I was a Children's Defense Fund, you know, I
Speaker 7: worked with Republicans and Democrats because it was absolutely needed
Speaker 7: and necessary. And sometimes, you know, folks on my side
Speaker 7: of the aisle might get a little crabby and would say,
Speaker 7: why did you have a Republican author that bill? I said,
Speaker 7: because they're in the majority, and in this moment, two
Speaker 7: years in the life of a child is a really
Speaker 7: long time to wait for the next biennium. We've got
Speaker 7: to go and we've got to We've got to move
Speaker 7: and do this work. I've been troubled, as I know,
Speaker 7: there are so many folks who are just worried and
Speaker 7: afraid about what is coming out of Washington, d C.
Speaker 7: I mean, just recently have heard from Senator Joni Erntz
Speaker 7: who was talking about Medicaid cuts and folks were asking
Speaker 7: her about it and she said, you know, and they said,
Speaker 7: you know, people are going to die, and she said, oh, well,
Speaker 7: we're all we're all going to die someday, right.
Speaker 1: I know, that was incredible, you know, like, that's correct.
Speaker 1: You know, someday we all walk on.
Speaker 7: We all go. But the reality is we shouldn't ever
Speaker 7: have to think that our senators are trying to kill us,
Speaker 7: right or that they are part of that process. So,
Speaker 7: you know, the dysfunction in Washington. I think we need
Speaker 7: more folks who are less Washington to be at the table,
Speaker 7: which is one of the reasons why I'm running. And
Speaker 7: things like Medicaid and making sure that we are doing
Speaker 7: everything that we can to protect it is incredibly important
Speaker 7: right now as I travel across the state of Minnesota
Speaker 7: and talking to folks. You know, just the other day
Speaker 7: was talking to a mom named Chris who's got a
Speaker 7: nine year old kiddo named Bentley, who relies on Medicaid
Speaker 7: for his healthcare and relies on access to special education
Speaker 7: services right through the Department of Education. And she just
Speaker 7: wants to be a good mom and wants to make
Speaker 7: sure that all of that is there for her to
Speaker 7: be able to care for her son. And so it's
Speaker 7: not just nameless, faceless folks writer or numbers on a spreadsheet.
Speaker 7: It's people like Bentley and you know, his his mom, Chris,
Speaker 7: I think about you know, the prescription drugs. And in
Speaker 7: this moment where I think Democrats especially like we are
Speaker 7: fighting back, but I actually think we have to ask
Speaker 7: for more and we have to tell people what it
Speaker 7: is that we're for Congress negotiating the price of ten
Speaker 7: prescription drugs right, lowering the costs for folks on Medicare.
Speaker 7: That's great, But my question is why not all of them?
Speaker 7: We should be asking for more and we don't get
Speaker 7: what we don't fight for. And I think in this
Speaker 7: moment that is the contrast and the opportunity for us
Speaker 7: as Democrats or Medicare and you know, needing to make
Speaker 7: sure that we're covering vision and hearing and dental, all
Speaker 7: of the things that are critical to the overall you know,
Speaker 7: health of folks. And while I'm on a role, I
Speaker 7: guess I would also just say, you know, the pre
Speaker 7: author rization of medical decisions, some person at a desk
Speaker 7: deciding whether or not you're going to get the treatments
Speaker 7: ever die, right, so live or die? It's outrageous. We
Speaker 7: should demand more. And those are the things I think
Speaker 7: that people expected us right now. It is all of
Speaker 7: us against extremist billionaires. We don't have to agree on everything,
Speaker 7: but that we can agree on, and we should be
Speaker 7: doing everything possible to help people afford their lives.
Speaker 1: One of the things that we see is that voters
Speaker 1: are really really mad at Democrats. Yeah even Democrats. Republicans
Speaker 1: for sure, but democrats too. Why do you think they're
Speaker 1: mad at Democrats? And what do you think a Democratic
Speaker 1: party can do to win them back?
Speaker 7: I think one, we have to listen and we've got
Speaker 7: to show up. We've been holding what we're calling kitchen
Speaker 7: table conversations all across the state of Minnesota, and they
Speaker 7: are last town hall and scripted questions and more big
Speaker 7: facilitated conversation. I am most comfortable when we have flip
Speaker 7: chart paper on the wall and post it notes and markers,
Speaker 7: and so that is what these events are all about.
Speaker 7: And we've got folks who are showing up, of course
Speaker 7: who are Democrats, but also people who have said, you know,
Speaker 7: I've never been to anything like this before, but I'm
Speaker 7: really freaked out, and so I'm going to try to
Speaker 7: do whatever it is that I can, and we say
Speaker 7: come on in. And there have been a handful of
Speaker 7: Republicans who've also come to these events who said, you know,
Speaker 7: I didn't vote with you or I didn't vote for
Speaker 7: your party, and rather than blame and shame folks and
Speaker 7: get on our high horse, we said, come on in
Speaker 7: right again, we can find common ground. But I think
Speaker 7: right now Democrats and members of the Democrat Party again
Speaker 7: have to say this is what we're fighting for. It
Speaker 7: is not enough for us to be against Donald Trump,
Speaker 7: which absolutely we are, and we should use every tool
Speaker 7: in our toolbox to push back, but we also again
Speaker 7: have to tell people what we're for. And we don't
Speaker 7: have enough leaders in Washington who understand the struggles that
Speaker 7: people are facing right now and in this moment. And
Speaker 7: I think folks can see right through that, and that
Speaker 7: is also part of the frustration that people have with
Speaker 7: the Democratic Party. People need to know we're going to
Speaker 7: show up for them and that we'll be on their side,
Speaker 7: and that we are not going to just simply engage
Speaker 7: in electoral strip mining right before the election, where we
Speaker 7: show up to people's communities tell them how important we are,
Speaker 7: like it's the you know, like the circus comes to
Speaker 7: town and then we leave that we are doing the
Speaker 7: work now, you know, for us here in Minnesota in
Speaker 7: this campaign, of course, it is about you know, winning
Speaker 7: the US Senate seats. Absolutely, But if we're doing it right,
Speaker 7: it's about building lasting infrastructure for twenty eight and thirty
Speaker 7: and thirty two, and it's about working in partnership this
Speaker 7: summer and fall with our legislators and our legislative candidates
Speaker 7: to make sure that they have, you know, organizers on
Speaker 7: the ground that we are strengthening the work that they're
Speaker 7: doing doing Apartment Knox, showing up for folks so that
Speaker 7: you know, we are ready to go in twenty six
Speaker 7: to win back the House, to build a bigger majority
Speaker 7: in our state senates, and make sure that we can
Speaker 7: continue to deliver on the things that we need to
Speaker 7: deliver on, to make sure that people feel seen and
Speaker 7: heard and value. That work should be happening all the time,
Speaker 7: not just before the election. And I think that is
Speaker 7: also something that people need to see from us. So ideally,
Speaker 7: you know we are we're building that on our campaign,
Speaker 7: but also this should be I think what democrats and
Speaker 7: candidates and leaders are doing all across the country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, such a good point. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you,
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Governor L. G. Plan Again, thanks so much for
Speaker 1: having me.
Speaker 7: I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: They're all set on.
Speaker 2: Jesse Cannon, Mai Jung Fast So Senator Joni Ernst of
Speaker 2: Iowa one of those town halls. And what we know
Speaker 2: about town halls is there's a rule. They don't go
Speaker 2: well for Republicans these days. Well, why don't we listen
Speaker 2: real fast when we.
Speaker 8: Are talking about the corrections in this reconciliation bill. Again,
Speaker 8: it's corrections of overpayments and people that have not been
Speaker 8: eligible for these programs by law as it is currently written.
Speaker 8: So when you are arguing, when you are arguing about
Speaker 8: illegals that are receiving Medicaid.
Speaker 1: Benefits one point four.
Speaker 8: Million one point for they're not they are not eligible,
Speaker 8: so they will be coming off.
Speaker 9: So people are not well.
Speaker 8: We all are going to die.
Speaker 9: So we in say the one in said spokes Okay, no,
Speaker 9: but but what you don't want to do is listen
Speaker 9: to me when I say that we are going.
Speaker 8: To focus on those that are most vulnerable, those that
Speaker 8: made the eligible enow.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, you know it's funny because I read reporting
Speaker 1: about it but hadn't heard her.
Speaker 2: Her fellow Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley once talked about pulling
Speaker 2: the plug on ground that seems like tripping over the
Speaker 2: plug and not even caring that you did it.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's pretty great where she's She's like, well,
Speaker 1: we're all gonna die. I mean, yes, but we don't
Speaker 1: want our senators to kill us.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Sylvia Plath, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Johnny Ernst is up in twenty twenty six. Now she
Speaker 1: is in Iowa, and Iowa is an R plus whatever
Speaker 1: a gazillion state. But you know, this is the thing.
Speaker 1: You don't have to have this person. You don't have
Speaker 1: to have this person represent you, like you could have
Speaker 1: someone a Republican even, who doesn't say things like that,
Speaker 1: just like, we're all going to die day this callousness.
Speaker 1: Voters are either going to be okay with this or
Speaker 1: they're not right. This is all a question of who
Speaker 1: you elect. But let me just say this is really
Speaker 1: just so incredibly gross.
Speaker 3: Agreed.
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