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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and the US debt is on pace

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Speaker 1: to set a record high going all the way back

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Speaker 1: to seventeen ninety. We have such a great show for

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Speaker 1: you today, the nation's own git here stops by to

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Speaker 1: talk about one of the very few bright spots, Leonard

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Speaker 1: Leo versus Donald Trump. Then we'll talk to Minnesota Lieutenant

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Speaker 1: Governor Peggy Flanagan about her run for the Senate. But

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Speaker 1: first the news Somali.

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Speaker 2: We got very very bleak news out of the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's trying to say, like, oh, thank god, the courts

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Speaker 2: are saving us. Well, there's five hundred thousand immigrants that

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Speaker 2: the Court is not going to save from Cuba, Haiti,

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Speaker 2: Nicaragua and Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's important to remember then, while the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court occasionally does something to prevent a complete bax

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Speaker 1: slide into authoritarianism, they are largely very much the most

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Speaker 1: conservative Supreme Court in probably fifty years. They overturned Roe v. Wade,

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Speaker 1: They empower corporations every day. These are not your fronts.

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Speaker 1: And in case you're wondering. A pretty great example of

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Speaker 1: that was this Supreme Court decision. Trump administration can now

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Speaker 1: end a program that gave temporary production to more than

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Speaker 1: half a million immigrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: You'll remember we've talked about this a lot. This was

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Speaker 1: we became this country after the Holocaust, right, a country

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Speaker 1: that welcomed immigrants, that had a moral imperative to not

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Speaker 1: now that country that does that. And I'm not surprised,

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Speaker 1: nor should any of us be, but it's just an absolutely,

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Speaker 1: it's just devastating and it's so sad, and people will

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Speaker 1: And you know this is Mega. Mega does not want

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Speaker 1: any moral compass when it comes to immigration. They just

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Speaker 1: don't want immigrants unless, of course they're from South Africa

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Speaker 1: and then they can come, but otherwise they cannot. So

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Speaker 1: here we are.

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Speaker 2: So Trump's very stupid, big cruel Bill are the big

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Speaker 2: Beautiful Bill as they like to call it, is also

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Speaker 2: has another nice thing hidden in it. It's going to

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Speaker 2: roll back the Affordable Care Act, which will hurt so

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Speaker 2: many different Americans for many years. When I had cancer

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Speaker 2: still alive. So this is very disheartening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the whole idea here, even though this

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Speaker 1: bill does in fact raise the deficit about three zero

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Speaker 1: to run against Medicaid expansion. It tries to roll back

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Speaker 1: a lot of the expansion that happened under Biden, and

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Speaker 1: it does all sorts of like seemingly fraudulent things like

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Speaker 1: making it hard to stay on Medicaid, making it hard

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Speaker 1: these little bits, it's still not saving anyone any money, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is like a rounding error. You know

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Speaker 1: what would work here is if you fucking raise taxes.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, I just want to pause for a

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you my thoughts. We have at

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Speaker 1: this moment an opportunity and it's funny Trump said he

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Speaker 1: there was an appetite for it. And this idea of

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Speaker 1: a tax bracket from people make over two point five

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Speaker 1: over two point five million dollars a year. That's a

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Speaker 1: So again, there are a lot of Democrats who have

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Speaker 1: talked about this, I think pretty well, which is, you know,

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk, the richest man in the world, making sure

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Speaker 1: they're cutting Medicaid, they're cutting they're just cutting all of

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Speaker 1: This is one of the yet another sort of scammy

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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of scams, many people always talk about how

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Speaker 2: Trump is a product of our reality television. But now

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Speaker 2: what we're also seeing is he's a product of the

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Speaker 2: he's caused great mental anguish in his lawsuit with CBS,

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Speaker 2: and he deserves much more money for his mental anguish.

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Speaker 2: Just like a silino in Barnes at.

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Speaker 1: Stop giving into Trump. It doesn't work. You know, you

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Speaker 1: have these law firms that made deals with Trump. Now

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Speaker 1: you have every person in the world things they can

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Speaker 1: piece I think it was in the New York Times

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Speaker 1: so grifty. So now he turned down a fifteen million

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Speaker 1: my man is grifty as how don't do this. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't work. Like if you pay out Donald Trump twenty

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Speaker 1: five million dollars, here's what's going to happen. He doesn't care.

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Speaker 1: It will encourage him to go after you more if

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Speaker 1: you don't do that and you fight him like Harvard

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Speaker 1: is the American people say, oh wow, this person is

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Speaker 1: not a bad person. This person is actually doing the

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Speaker 1: right thing. And so it's just this is so easy.

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Speaker 1: Don't do stuff like the Sherry Redstone thinks that by

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Speaker 1: doing this she'll get the murder through. But the truth

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Speaker 1: is what they should have done is they should have

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Speaker 1: just kept negotiating and kept pushing back and eventually Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump would have forgotten about it and moved on. Instead,

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Speaker 1: what they're doing, you know, or they could have fought

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Speaker 1: big issue and either way they would have won in court. Instead,

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Speaker 1: what they're doing, and this is what happens when you

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Speaker 1: make a deal with Trump, is they now made a deal,

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Speaker 1: or they're trying to make a deal. They don't the

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Speaker 1: courts do not have their backs right, because they have

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Speaker 1: sooner or later he will recant the deal and change

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Speaker 1: the deal, and so stop doing this. This is ridiculous,

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Speaker 1: so annoying. It's also really really really bad for American democracy.

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Speaker 1: You know, what little we have left of really good

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Speaker 1: news institutions. CBS is just ruining itself for a merger

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Speaker 1: it's just so disappointing. I'm so disappointed and everyone involved

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Speaker 1: in this really what what a as we say, A Shonda.

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Speaker 2: this podcast, The New York Times has a report out

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Speaker 2: about Elon doing an amount of drugs that I've not

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Speaker 2: very famous drug addict artists.

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Speaker 2: So Stephen Miller was asked about it, and he said,

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Speaker 2: the thing that we all know, we're worried about drugs

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Speaker 2: crossing the border, and they always look the other way

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Speaker 1: It's so unbelievably bad. I mean, it's also this has

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Speaker 1: never been about any of the things they say it is.

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Speaker 1: You know, they say it's about fentanyl. It's not about fentanyl.

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Speaker 1: This is that, right, It's about preventing drugs. It's about this,

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Speaker 1: It's about that. It's not about any of this fucking stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's actually about the Trump administration trying to get what

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Speaker 1: And I really, really, really think that there is no

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Speaker 1: also taking drugs. According to the New York Times, psychedelics.

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Speaker 2: Not just drugs, like drugs that really make you hallucinate

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Speaker 3: That could do a lot of damage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look for Stephen Miller, the answer is always racism.

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Speaker 1: It's always right. So what he's really saying.

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Speaker 3: Real hammer and nail scenario, right.

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Speaker 1: So what he's really saying is I just want to

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think when you look back at Elon's behavior,

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Speaker 1: So you know from the chainsaw on stage, by the way,

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Speaker 1: not a chainsaw ficial, but yeah, he was holding it wrong.

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Speaker 1: And also you know all of the children, the many, many,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it brings us back to the days of the

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Speaker 2: White House prescription scandal being a kind of lighter, lighter thing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, well, and these are the people who were

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Speaker 1: so obsessed with Hunter Biden's laptop and drugs. All of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, those people are now defending Elon. Gee, here's

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Speaker 1: a contributor to the nation and the host of the

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Speaker 1: time of Monster. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to fast politics. Get here.

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Speaker 1: Always good to be on the proneground. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: There was so much news this morning. I was like

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Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start, right? Do we

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Speaker 1: start with that Elon Musk New York Times he's got

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Speaker 1: bladder problems from ketamine. I mean, is that where we start?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean I had a kind of like, I've

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Speaker 4: been actually thinking about writing about this for a while now,

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Speaker 4: and I guess this article gives me a good occasion too,

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Speaker 4: because the Trump administration is on drugs, not in a

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Speaker 4: good way. There's a kind of a lot of substance

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Speaker 4: of use. And it's kind of curious because, I mean,

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Speaker 4: the wrap on Trump was always like, well, his older

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Speaker 4: brother was an alcoholic. He wasn't like people who drink

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Speaker 4: and whatnot. And I don't know, he's sort of in

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Speaker 4: his yellow face because like it seems like you have

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Speaker 4: to have uh, the you know, like, hey, heck Xeth

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Speaker 4: serious alcoholic.

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Speaker 3: Who's the other one?

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Speaker 1: Judge a judge, box of wine. Judge Judge Pirow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly exactly. She said, you're normally like the human response,

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Speaker 4: you know, like very sympathetic. You know, they should be

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Speaker 4: doing it, but like, you know, should you be in

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Speaker 4: charge of the Pentagon while.

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Speaker 1: You're working on these issues?

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Speaker 4: But the institution that could actually like actually fight back

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Speaker 4: against the president is Congress. And there's like two things.

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Speaker 4: One is that the Republicans are totally on board with Trump,

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Speaker 4: even when they go against stuff that their donor class

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Speaker 4: wants and they themselves think, and so there's no checks

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Speaker 4: from the Republicans. And the Democrats, you know, like with

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Speaker 4: varying degrees, have taken a let's play dead strategy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so so Congress is the missing equation, like yeah,

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Speaker 5: and then I'll catch you.

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Speaker 4: Exactly because I swear about this. There's a real problem

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Speaker 4: now with threats to judges, right, like no problem. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you saw the article where it's like dozens of judges

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Speaker 4: got these pizza deliveries and it's all under the name

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Speaker 4: of this the son of a judge who had been

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Speaker 4: killed by litigant and this is clearly a threat. It's

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Speaker 4: like it's a mafia thing. We know where you live,

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Speaker 4: right yea. And judges are very worried because they're getting

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Speaker 4: more and more threats, especially with like Trump saying like,

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Speaker 4: you know, impeach the judges get rid of the judges

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Speaker 4: and the inst titution that protects the federal judges. Below

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Speaker 4: the Supreme Court is the US Marshall, which is controlled

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Speaker 4: by the Attorney General, you know, like Pam Bondy by Trump.

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Speaker 4: So so so judges like now are pushing it to

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Speaker 4: they want Congress to like remove the US Marshal from

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Speaker 4: the control of the White House and to make an

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Speaker 4: independent police force. They don't think that like, you know,

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Speaker 4: the president that's threatening them is gonna should be running

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Speaker 4: the police force that protects them, right, Yeah, it's like

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Speaker 4: putting a mafia boss in charge of the cops.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so so.

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Speaker 4: But again Congress is missing and I'll give Corey Booker

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Speaker 4: credit because he's the one he's actually introduced the bill

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Speaker 4: to do exactly that, to like you know, like beef

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Speaker 4: up security for judges and to make the US Marshals independent.

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Speaker 4: And I think more Democrats need to be on this,

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Speaker 4: and I think he's actually a winning issue, Like I

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Speaker 4: think that Americans want check and balances. They understand the

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Speaker 4: danger and you really have to be out there. Uh

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Speaker 4: as for further midterm saying, you know, you give us

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Speaker 4: the House, you give us the Senate, protect the judges.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I want to I think that's

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Speaker 1: totally right. I also to think so many of our

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Speaker 1: problems that we are having right now are because Congress

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Speaker 1: refuse to regulate anything. I'm going to tell a very

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Speaker 1: annoying story. I'm at a book party. A member of

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Speaker 1: Congress is complaining about how there is no fact checking

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Speaker 1: on social media, and I have a fork and want

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Speaker 1: to stab my eye out because I'm like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: wonder who could have done? Like they don't you know,

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Speaker 1: you're going to fucking regulate stuff or the world is

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Speaker 1: going to get ruined. Like this is how it is. Right.

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Speaker 1: Republicans don't like regulation ideologically, Democrats don't like regulation because

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Speaker 1: it's they have to work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I think in particularly of a silicon value,

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Speaker 4: the Democrats unfortunately helped create this monster because they have

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Speaker 4: ties with Silicon Valley. Yes, they still take a lot

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Speaker 4: of money, and so things like crypto and social media

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Speaker 4: don't get regulated. And it is exactly I mean, that

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Speaker 4: is the institution that has really failed, and it's a

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Speaker 4: big problem, and it has become you know, like, it's

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Speaker 4: not surprising that so many members of Congress are old

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Speaker 4: and ailing and yeah, I think if if you're an

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Speaker 4: ordinary Democrat, I think that the main institution you should

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Speaker 4: be looking at thinking about where you can affect change

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Speaker 4: is Congress. And you have to sure be like, you know,

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Speaker 4: bothering your congressmen going to those town hell beatings, and

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Speaker 4: if they're not, if they're caving it to Silicon Valley,

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Speaker 4: you have to like primary them. You have to like

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Speaker 4: replace them with Democrats who will fight. I mean, especially

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Speaker 4: like I think there's a lot of these people in

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Speaker 4: blue districts. It was like New York and California, where

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Speaker 4: you know you could easily if you primary them, you're

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Speaker 4: going to get another Democrat who could be a better

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Speaker 4: Democrat than the stronger Democrat. So so Congress is a

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Speaker 4: real battlefield here for like, if we're going to fix

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Speaker 4: this thing, that's where the battle has.

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Speaker 1: I agree, And I also just think we need our

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Speaker 1: members of Congress to work. This is not you know, this,

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Speaker 1: this is their fucking jobs. And I get so angry

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Speaker 1: because I feel like the reason that Democrats are pulling

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Speaker 1: poorly is not because Republicans are doing great. It's because

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Speaker 1: Democrats are not doing enough, and that the people are

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Speaker 1: mad because they are, Like, your job is to take

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Speaker 1: care of us, to take care of those judges, to

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Speaker 1: do this fucking work. We don't care that you have

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Speaker 1: a book deal, We don't care that you have a podcast.

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants, you know. I mean, such a great example

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Speaker 1: of just wandering an opportunity to enact change, to you know,

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Speaker 1: do the stuff we need as Americans for us. And

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Speaker 1: I really do think these members of Congress have You know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny because I'm friends with this activist. He's an

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Speaker 1: activist among other things, and he has a whole theory

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Speaker 1: of the case that all members of Congress are just

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Speaker 1: incredibly selfish and obsessed with their own celebrity and unable,

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Speaker 1: you know, that they're just not in there for public service,

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Speaker 1: and we need to push our elected to be in

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Speaker 1: there for public service.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, yeah, yeah, I mean I think there's some of that.

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Speaker 4: I mean there's other issues. There's also the money factor.

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Speaker 4: You know that they have to be raising money, and

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Speaker 4: and I think that we need to really move to

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Speaker 4: a small donor model. The larger issues that they find

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Speaker 4: it easier to sort of punt and to like just

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Speaker 4: leave everything to either the president or the courts. And

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Speaker 4: this is a real problem. I think if American democracy

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Speaker 4: is going to be saved, I strongly feel Congress more

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Speaker 4: than the President's He's the battleground and that's where you

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Speaker 4: actually have to fix things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's right.

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Speaker 6: I think that's absolutely And we see that's the internal

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Speaker 6: battle of the Democratic Party where like any attempt to

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Speaker 6: reform to say, well, you know, some of these members

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Speaker 6: that are like ninety years old and dying, maybe they.

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Speaker 4: Should reside like like that resistance.

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Speaker 5: That's that's like, see, yeah, you know, when you raised

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Speaker 5: this stuff, you can attack like you're you're an ageist,

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Speaker 5: You're like, uh so I actually think that, like yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean, but I also think that it's good that Democrats,

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Speaker 5: ordinary Democrats are mad at their own party and they're

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Speaker 5: mad at Congress.

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Speaker 4: I think that's where that is the pivot point at

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Speaker 4: which things can get better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Get here, Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Always great to be on the program.

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Speaker 1: Peggy flan Again is the Lieutenant governor of Minnesota and

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Speaker 1: a Democratic candidate for the Senate in Minnesota. Welcome Too

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Speaker 1: Fast Politics.

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Speaker 7: Peggy, thank you so much for having me. I'm happy

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Speaker 7: to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you. We met each other

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Speaker 1: at the Democratic National Convention and I interviewed you there.

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Speaker 1: But because you are from the great sit of Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: you are the lieutenant governor. For my I feel like

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Speaker 1: he's my buddy, but I really feel like he's kind

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Speaker 1: of everybody's buddy. Tim Walls.

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Speaker 7: Yes, absolutely, I get to spend a lot of time

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Speaker 7: talking about Tim Walls and how great he is. And

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Speaker 7: you know it's part of the gig as being lieutenant governor.

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Speaker 1: But you, yourself, you have a really inspirational and important story.

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Speaker 1: So you know we have to do a Tim Walls

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Speaker 1: name check. But now tell me how you found yourself

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Speaker 1: in public service? Sure, so you know I didn't.

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Speaker 7: I didn't expect to be in public service as a

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Speaker 7: as a kid, I wanted to be a ballerina nurse,

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Speaker 7: which is exactly you.

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Speaker 1: Know what any ballerina nurses are. Yes, a really popular

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Speaker 1: career path. Yes, yeah, popular group.

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Speaker 7: But I spent my whole life, you know, growing up

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Speaker 7: in a family where you know, we felt like the

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Speaker 7: bottom could fall out at any moment, and I know

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Speaker 7: that there's a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Folks who feel that way. Can you explain to us

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Speaker 1: why you felt like that? Absolutely?

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Speaker 7: So I grew up with my mom, with a single

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Speaker 7: mom who was just amazing, and I grew up in

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Speaker 7: an apartment which we were able to move into because

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Speaker 7: of a Section eight housing voucher. The Childcare Assistance program

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Speaker 7: allowed my mom to go back to school and to

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Speaker 7: get her certificates in phlebotomy at Saint Kat's and helped

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Speaker 7: to lift our family into the middle class. But you know,

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Speaker 7: Medicaid was my healthcare as a kid who had really

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Speaker 7: severe asthma. It is how we paid the bills, how

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Speaker 7: we made sure that I had access to all the

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Speaker 7: medications that I needed, and sometimes it felt like I

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Speaker 7: was in the hospital more than I was out when

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Speaker 7: I was, you know, and coming up in elementary school.

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Speaker 7: And you know, finally snap or back in the day,

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Speaker 7: what we call the food stamps is what kept food

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Speaker 7: on our table for our family. Were really fortunate. These

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Speaker 7: public programs helped to support us.

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Speaker 1: But also, you.

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Speaker 7: Know, what we see happening right now, it certainly feels

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Speaker 7: really personal for myself, and I know it feels really

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Speaker 7: personal for folks all across the country. But I grew

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Speaker 7: up around women and strong women who just did the

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Speaker 7: damn thing. So you know, my aunties and my grandmas

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Speaker 7: who just led organizations and were you know, political organizers,

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Speaker 7: and so I just I saw that and never questioned

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Speaker 7: whether or not women were in leadership. But I spent

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Speaker 7: my college career studying child techology and American Indian studies.

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Speaker 7: I went into working for nonprofits and American Indian nonprofit

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Speaker 7: and saw firsthand how Native students and their families navigated

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Speaker 7: the public school system and it wasn't great and the

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Speaker 7: outcomes weren't great, and so I thought, you know, we

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Speaker 7: need to find somebody to run for the school board

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Speaker 7: and talk to a lot of folks, a lot of advocates,

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Speaker 7: a lot of leaders.

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Speaker 1: In the community.

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Speaker 7: And one day people turned around and they looked at

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Speaker 7: me and they said, why don't you do it? And

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Speaker 7: I was like, that's not what it meant, So be

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Speaker 7: careful what you asked for, I guess is the moral

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Speaker 7: of that story.

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Speaker 1: But I did.

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Speaker 7: I decided to run. I was twenty four, without any

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Speaker 7: kids in the district, but thought, you know, we need

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Speaker 7: to make sure that we have a voice at the

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Speaker 7: table and a diversity of voices. And so was elected

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Speaker 7: there and really enjoyed my time there, making sure that

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Speaker 7: community had a voice, and it learned an incredible just

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Speaker 7: an incredible amount of navigating these systems and how we

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Speaker 7: can make them more accessible for folks. And of course

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Speaker 7: at the same time was working in nonprofits for the

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Speaker 7: Council of Churches and then for a decade at Wellstone Action,

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Speaker 7: which is the nonprofit that grew out of the late

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Speaker 7: great Senator Paul Wellstone's campaign, which is incredible and where

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Speaker 7: I actually met Tim Walls, who at the time was

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Speaker 7: a teacher who this stream of running for Congress, and

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Speaker 7: you know, that then led me to be tapped by

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Speaker 7: Marian right Edelman, the head of the Children's Defense Fund,

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Speaker 7: to run Children's Defense Funds in Minnesota, where I got to,

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Speaker 7: you know, fight for family economic security and work to

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Speaker 7: move policies that were good for working families. And that

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Speaker 7: certainly just led to my time at the Minnesota Legislature,

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Speaker 7: and then was tapped to run with Tim Walls to

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Speaker 7: be his Lieutenant governor, always focusing on these issues of

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Speaker 7: family economic security, and so that is I think the

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Speaker 7: through line from when I was a kid, you know,

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Speaker 7: to now just knowing that there are so many folks

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Speaker 7: who are experiencing just a lot of fear and insecurity,

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Speaker 7: and it doesn't have to be that way, and we've

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Speaker 7: got got more work to do. So I'm excited to

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Speaker 7: try to big network that I've done throughout my entire

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Speaker 7: career to Washington.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you could talk about you grew up

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Speaker 1: somewhat on a rez, right.

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Speaker 7: No, I did grow up on the res, but my

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Speaker 7: dad was on the res. I'm kind of the perfect

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Speaker 7: combination of my parents. So I'll say that. You know,

661
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Speaker 7: my mom, right out of high school, she went and

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Speaker 7: she volunteered on Hubert Humphreys presidential election in nineteen sixty eight.

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Speaker 7: And then my dad was absolutely a rabble rouser and protester,

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Speaker 7: and you know, he said, my girl, you know, I

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Speaker 7: want to burn the system down and you want to

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Speaker 7: change it from the inside out. We need both, and

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Speaker 7: I think you get you know, that combination, you get me.

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Speaker 7: I'm a member of the of Whieters, which is an

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Speaker 7: Ojibwe five in northern Minnesota. And my Ojibwe name is

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Speaker 7: ji Waved McQuay, which means speaks in a loud and

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Speaker 7: clear voice woman, you know, which I think is pretty

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Speaker 7: on the nose, which is all false. And I'm part

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Speaker 7: of a really strong urban native community here, we've got

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Speaker 7: in the Twin Cities have an incredible urban native community

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Speaker 7: as well.

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Speaker 1: So you are running for Senate. Lieutenant governor is a

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Speaker 1: very different job than being a member of this at it,

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Speaker 1: but governorships and lieutenant governors say, you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: similar thing. It's all about the executive branch, right making

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Speaker 1: things happen, making things work. Why do you think and

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Speaker 1: this is something I spend a lot of time thinking about,

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Speaker 1: why do you think the Senate in Congress has so

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Speaker 1: much trouble actually like legislating and getting things done in

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Speaker 1: a way that governors and lieutenant governors do well.

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Speaker 7: I think there's a difference between, you know, the executive

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Speaker 7: branch and the legislative branch and the judicial branch. And

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Speaker 7: by the way, I think having three full branches of

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Speaker 7: government is a really important thing, even if there's some

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Speaker 7: folks who don't share that philosophy right now, you know,

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Speaker 7: certainly our politics are are really polarized right now. But

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Speaker 7: as someone who served in the Minnesota Legislature, one of

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Speaker 7: my favorite things about being part of a body like

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Speaker 7: that is that you have to figure out ways to

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Speaker 7: work together, to work across lines of difference to see

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Speaker 7: where are those places and spaces where we you know,

696
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Speaker 7: might not agree on everything, but we can find that

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Speaker 7: one thing where we're able to move forward. You know,

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Speaker 7: when I was a Children's Defense Fund, you know, I

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Speaker 7: worked with Republicans and Democrats because it was absolutely needed

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Speaker 7: and necessary. And sometimes, you know, folks on my side

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Speaker 7: of the aisle might get a little crabby and would say,

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Speaker 7: why did you have a Republican author that bill? I said,

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Speaker 7: because they're in the majority, and in this moment, two

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Speaker 7: years in the life of a child is a really

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Speaker 7: long time to wait for the next biennium. We've got

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Speaker 7: to go and we've got to We've got to move

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Speaker 7: and do this work. I've been troubled, as I know,

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Speaker 7: there are so many folks who are just worried and

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Speaker 7: afraid about what is coming out of Washington, d C.

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Speaker 7: I mean, just recently have heard from Senator Joni Erntz

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Speaker 7: who was talking about Medicaid cuts and folks were asking

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Speaker 7: her about it and she said, you know, and they said,

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Speaker 7: you know, people are going to die, and she said, oh, well,

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Speaker 7: we're all we're all going to die someday, right.

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Speaker 1: I know, that was incredible, you know, like, that's correct.

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Speaker 1: You know, someday we all walk on.

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Speaker 7: We all go. But the reality is we shouldn't ever

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Speaker 7: have to think that our senators are trying to kill us,

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Speaker 7: right or that they are part of that process. So,

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Speaker 7: you know, the dysfunction in Washington. I think we need

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Speaker 7: more folks who are less Washington to be at the table,

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Speaker 7: which is one of the reasons why I'm running. And

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Speaker 7: things like Medicaid and making sure that we are doing

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Speaker 7: everything that we can to protect it is incredibly important

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Speaker 7: right now as I travel across the state of Minnesota

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Speaker 7: and talking to folks. You know, just the other day

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Speaker 7: was talking to a mom named Chris who's got a

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Speaker 7: nine year old kiddo named Bentley, who relies on Medicaid

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Speaker 7: for his healthcare and relies on access to special education

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Speaker 7: services right through the Department of Education. And she just

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Speaker 7: wants to be a good mom and wants to make

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Speaker 7: sure that all of that is there for her to

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Speaker 7: be able to care for her son. And so it's

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Speaker 7: not just nameless, faceless folks writer or numbers on a spreadsheet.

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Speaker 7: It's people like Bentley and you know, his his mom, Chris,

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Speaker 7: I think about you know, the prescription drugs. And in

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Speaker 7: this moment where I think Democrats especially like we are

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Speaker 7: fighting back, but I actually think we have to ask

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Speaker 7: for more and we have to tell people what it

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Speaker 7: is that we're for Congress negotiating the price of ten

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Speaker 7: prescription drugs right, lowering the costs for folks on Medicare.

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Speaker 7: That's great, But my question is why not all of them?

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Speaker 7: We should be asking for more and we don't get

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Speaker 7: what we don't fight for. And I think in this

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Speaker 7: moment that is the contrast and the opportunity for us

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Speaker 7: as Democrats or Medicare and you know, needing to make

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Speaker 7: sure that we're covering vision and hearing and dental, all

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Speaker 7: of the things that are critical to the overall you know,

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Speaker 7: health of folks. And while I'm on a role, I

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Speaker 7: guess I would also just say, you know, the pre

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Speaker 7: author rization of medical decisions, some person at a desk

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Speaker 7: deciding whether or not you're going to get the treatments

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Speaker 7: ever die, right, so live or die? It's outrageous. We

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Speaker 7: should demand more. And those are the things I think

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Speaker 7: that people expected us right now. It is all of

756
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Speaker 7: us against extremist billionaires. We don't have to agree on everything,

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Speaker 7: but that we can agree on, and we should be

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Speaker 7: doing everything possible to help people afford their lives.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that we see is that voters

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Speaker 1: are really really mad at Democrats. Yeah even Democrats. Republicans

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Speaker 1: for sure, but democrats too. Why do you think they're

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Speaker 1: mad at Democrats? And what do you think a Democratic

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Speaker 1: party can do to win them back?

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Speaker 7: I think one, we have to listen and we've got

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Speaker 7: to show up. We've been holding what we're calling kitchen

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Speaker 7: table conversations all across the state of Minnesota, and they

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Speaker 7: are last town hall and scripted questions and more big

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Speaker 7: facilitated conversation. I am most comfortable when we have flip

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Speaker 7: chart paper on the wall and post it notes and markers,

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Speaker 7: and so that is what these events are all about.

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Speaker 7: And we've got folks who are showing up, of course

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Speaker 7: who are Democrats, but also people who have said, you know,

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Speaker 7: I've never been to anything like this before, but I'm

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Speaker 7: really freaked out, and so I'm going to try to

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Speaker 7: do whatever it is that I can, and we say

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Speaker 7: come on in. And there have been a handful of

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Speaker 7: Republicans who've also come to these events who said, you know,

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Speaker 7: I didn't vote with you or I didn't vote for

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Speaker 7: your party, and rather than blame and shame folks and

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Speaker 7: get on our high horse, we said, come on in

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Speaker 7: right again, we can find common ground. But I think

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Speaker 7: right now Democrats and members of the Democrat Party again

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Speaker 7: have to say this is what we're fighting for. It

784
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Speaker 7: is not enough for us to be against Donald Trump,

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Speaker 7: which absolutely we are, and we should use every tool

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Speaker 7: in our toolbox to push back, but we also again

787
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Speaker 7: have to tell people what we're for. And we don't

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Speaker 7: have enough leaders in Washington who understand the struggles that

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Speaker 7: people are facing right now and in this moment. And

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Speaker 7: I think folks can see right through that, and that

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Speaker 7: is also part of the frustration that people have with

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Speaker 7: the Democratic Party. People need to know we're going to

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Speaker 7: show up for them and that we'll be on their side,

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Speaker 7: and that we are not going to just simply engage

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Speaker 7: in electoral strip mining right before the election, where we

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Speaker 7: show up to people's communities tell them how important we are,

797
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Speaker 7: like it's the you know, like the circus comes to

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Speaker 7: town and then we leave that we are doing the

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Speaker 7: work now, you know, for us here in Minnesota in

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Speaker 7: this campaign, of course, it is about you know, winning

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Speaker 7: the US Senate seats. Absolutely, But if we're doing it right,

802
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Speaker 7: it's about building lasting infrastructure for twenty eight and thirty

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Speaker 7: and thirty two, and it's about working in partnership this

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Speaker 7: summer and fall with our legislators and our legislative candidates

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Speaker 7: to make sure that they have, you know, organizers on

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Speaker 7: the ground that we are strengthening the work that they're

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Speaker 7: doing doing Apartment Knox, showing up for folks so that

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Speaker 7: you know, we are ready to go in twenty six

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Speaker 7: to win back the House, to build a bigger majority

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Speaker 7: in our state senates, and make sure that we can

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Speaker 7: continue to deliver on the things that we need to

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Speaker 7: deliver on, to make sure that people feel seen and

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Speaker 7: heard and value. That work should be happening all the time,

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Speaker 7: not just before the election. And I think that is

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Speaker 7: also something that people need to see from us. So ideally,

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Speaker 7: you know we are we're building that on our campaign,

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Speaker 7: but also this should be I think what democrats and

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Speaker 7: candidates and leaders are doing all across the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, such a good point. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Lieutenant Governor L. G. Plan Again, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: having me.

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Speaker 7: I appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: They're all set on.

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Speaker 2: Jesse Cannon, Mai Jung Fast So Senator Joni Ernst of

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Speaker 2: Iowa one of those town halls. And what we know

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Speaker 2: about town halls is there's a rule. They don't go

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Speaker 2: well for Republicans these days. Well, why don't we listen

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Speaker 2: real fast when we.

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Speaker 8: Are talking about the corrections in this reconciliation bill. Again,

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Speaker 8: it's corrections of overpayments and people that have not been

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Speaker 8: eligible for these programs by law as it is currently written.

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Speaker 8: So when you are arguing, when you are arguing about

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Speaker 8: illegals that are receiving Medicaid.

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Speaker 1: Benefits one point four.

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Speaker 8: Million one point for they're not they are not eligible,

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Speaker 8: so they will be coming off.

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Speaker 9: So people are not well.

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Speaker 8: We all are going to die.

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Speaker 9: So we in say the one in said spokes Okay, no,

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Speaker 9: but but what you don't want to do is listen

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Speaker 9: to me when I say that we are going.

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Speaker 8: To focus on those that are most vulnerable, those that

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Speaker 8: made the eligible enow.

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Speaker 1: Wow, wow, you know it's funny because I read reporting

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Speaker 1: about it but hadn't heard her.

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Speaker 2: Her fellow Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley once talked about pulling

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Speaker 2: the plug on ground that seems like tripping over the

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Speaker 2: plug and not even caring that you did it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's pretty great where she's She's like, well,

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Speaker 1: we're all gonna die. I mean, yes, but we don't

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Speaker 1: want our senators to kill us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Sylvia Plath, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Johnny Ernst is up in twenty twenty six. Now she

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Speaker 1: is in Iowa, and Iowa is an R plus whatever

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Speaker 1: a gazillion state. But you know, this is the thing.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to have this person. You don't have

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Speaker 1: to have this person represent you, like you could have

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Speaker 1: someone a Republican even, who doesn't say things like that,

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Speaker 1: just like, we're all going to die day this callousness.

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Speaker 1: Voters are either going to be okay with this or

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Speaker 1: they're not right. This is all a question of who

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Speaker 1: you elect. But let me just say this is really

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Speaker 1: just so incredibly gross.

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Speaker 3: Agreed.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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