1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality the King. It's me Carlos King. 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: The King of Reality TV and one of the most 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 2: years a production experience. Twice a week from Reality with 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 2: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Welcome 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 2: back the amazing DJ red Chiefs. 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: Were doing on I want. 10 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: To get into before we get into the recent episode 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: of The Real Housewives of Billy Hills, I want to 12 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: get into just where we are with the state of 13 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: reality television. 14 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: You know, we talked about. 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: The essence op ed with Mia Thornton, the journalist, saying 16 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 2: she doesn't find me a story entertaining. We're seeing more 17 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: and more of you know, cast members on Twitter defending things, 18 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: blaming editing, blaming everything in the world just based on 19 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: the reality that we're watching. We're seeing reality stars on 20 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: these shows struggle to be honest about things that we 21 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: later find out like, well, girl, that is what I 22 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 2: read what I saw, Like what's happening here? You are 23 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: a huge fan of reality television and you have been 24 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: for a very very long time, Richie. I want to 25 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: kick this off by just asking you. You watch them all, 26 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: from the Real Housewives franchise to the Love and Marriage franchise, 27 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: Bell Collective, Love and Hip Hop. 28 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: You watch all of the shows in two twenty five. 29 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: How are you feeling about the state of reality television? 30 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: You know what, I think that there have been some 31 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 3: shows this year that have had amazing seasons. 32 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 4: I do, I like, I mean. 33 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: From Bell Collective, Salt Lake City, I think the previous 34 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 3: season of Married to Medicine. 35 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: You know, I have the on the previous look into 36 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: that too, but go ahead, I caught that baby. 37 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 4: You know. 38 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: And clearly Love and Maritonsville is thriving, right, you know, 39 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: because I feel like you guys almost film like year round. 40 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 4: So here's what I think that. 41 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 3: One of the things that I've come to realize as 42 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 3: a viewer and as somebody who reviews these shows is 43 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 3: that I I can only I can no longer. 44 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 4: Absorb, right, And I think sometimes. 45 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 3: As as lovers of the show, you know, we watch 46 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 3: these shows. These people are in our homes every week, 47 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 3: or you know, sometimes they go live and you know, 48 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: we can reach out and touch them. And I think 49 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: sometimes storylines may reson not storylines, I don't want to. 50 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 4: I hate that term. 51 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 3: Stories resonate so so so much with certain people that 52 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: I think that sometimes that what it does is I 53 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: think sometimes fans internalize those stories and and and they 54 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: resonate with them so much that it can that it 55 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 3: can take things to another level. And I think that 56 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: when it gets to that other level for that person, 57 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,279 Speaker 3: it may start to feel unhealthy, and the energy around 58 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: the show can feel unhealthy. I think we've seen aspects 59 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: of that. What's some of every show just just just 60 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 3: about right? So, and I think that the other thing 61 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: that the audience is, We're the audience is smart. So 62 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: you can't do the same thing every year like you. 63 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 3: I'm we as audiences were looking for new stories. I 64 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 3: am looking for something new to happen from season to season. 65 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: If I see the same thing continuing to happen every season, 66 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 3: I'm over it, right. And then the other thing is 67 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 3: for me, how do we make this season different from 68 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 3: the last? 69 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 4: Right? 70 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 3: So I always think I think that the this was 71 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 3: brilliant for love and marathonsviel, It's brilliant for love and 72 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: hip hop when the cast has something to do together. 73 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 3: That is why Bell Collective has always been able to work, 74 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 3: because it wasn't just about the women. 75 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 4: It was also about Ferris Street, you. 76 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 3: Know, love and Maritonsville has the real estate, the business 77 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 3: is you know, the Black Business Expo. I mean that, 78 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: you know it that spun off into so many other 79 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 3: different things. 80 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 4: So for some of these. 81 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 3: Shows, give them something to do. The med gallup, right, 82 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: that is now taking us in a new direction. I 83 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 3: like when the shows have stakes, something is at stake 84 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 3: and there's some new element to a story that we 85 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: haven't seen before. And so I think if the shows 86 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 3: can continue to evolve in that way, which is again 87 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 3: why Beverly Hills I think is doing so well as well. 88 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 3: This is new territory, but we could We've seen this 89 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: build up, We've seen it, but it just hadn't blown 90 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: up the way that it has this year. So I 91 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: think that it's twofold, right. We as audiences we have 92 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 3: to respect what's happening on the show and sort of 93 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,679 Speaker 3: leave the show to the show. If the people sign 94 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: up for the show in the next season, that means 95 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: but at least on some level they are happy in 96 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 3: some regard to keep going back, right, So I have 97 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: to look at it from that perspective, and I can 98 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 3: only say, okay, well, everybody's back. Everybody must be excited 99 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 3: about what they're doing. 100 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with you. I agree with you. 101 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 2: You know, I agree with everything that's saying they're okay. 102 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: So I just said to you recently that you know, listen, 103 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: I've been in the reality business for seventeen years. 104 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: You know, God, I age myself for seventeen years. 105 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 2: My first production experience was the Real Housewaves of Atlanta 106 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: Season one, episode one, boom right. 107 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: It's vastly different now. 108 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: It's vastly different because what happens nowadays is when you 109 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: have a reality start say to you, I'm not giving 110 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 2: you that, that's my real life. And I'm like, I 111 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 2: didn't know we were, you know, at a medical center 112 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: and I'm here to draw blood. 113 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: Go ahead, I have a question from the back of 114 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 3: the room. 115 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 4: So people are saying. 116 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: That I can count on more than two hands how 117 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: many cast members I've worked with have said this is 118 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: my real life, I'm not giving you that, or this 119 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: is too real, and. 120 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: That always confused me. 121 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: Oh yes, and and and this is coming from somebody 122 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: who's in production. You do hear that unfortunately sometimes, and 123 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: that's when you know the person who signed you are gagging. 124 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: That's when you know the person who signed. Yes, that happens. 125 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: That happens, you know on Love and Matter of DC. 126 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: You know, I I have a cast member named Ashley 127 00:07:51,000 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: Silva who is a dynamic dynamite. 128 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: Of a reality star. 129 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: And when she revealed to Joy on camera that look girl, 130 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: I told people I eat the producers that you sickly 131 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: got married. I remember saying at the reunion, like that's 132 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: her reality rather or not it was right or wrong. 133 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: That's the that's that's for those friends to judge. 134 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: But as a producer, when I said this to them, 135 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 2: as a producer, I didn't think anything's wrong with it. 136 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: She she told Joy on camera, that's what you're doing 137 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 2: a reality show. Joy disagrees with me, and that's that's okay. 138 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 2: I said to her, that's why Ashley was cast, baby, 139 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: because that's that's actually gives her reality to the show. 140 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: And when you think think about Robin Dixon, Robin, I 141 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: like you still. 142 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: I don't want anymore. Oh gosh, Robin, I love you baby. 143 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 2: When Robin Dixon did not disclose wands indiscretions or scandal 144 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: and said, well, I was waiting for the other girls 145 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: to break it up. 146 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: That's I'm telling you, Richie, That's what I knew. 147 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: The temperature and the intention has changed, and I'm concerned 148 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: about that. As great as Bailey Hill's Housewife is this 149 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: current season, and we'll get into this most recent episode, 150 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: I am a little bit disappointed that it took us 151 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: to see Durry and PK be separated for us to 152 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: know they had issues, because we never saw anything to 153 00:09:54,679 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: your point leading up to it. On Love and Marriage Huntsville, 154 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: when Melody Martell divorced, we saw every everything leading up 155 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: to it, and those two are phenomenal when it comes 156 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: to give them the reality. 157 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: That's concerns me. 158 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: Even when we saw Mauricio and Kyle, it was and 159 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: I'm a Kyle stand so again, it was we don't 160 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 2: see any issues with Mauricio and Kyle until it's like 161 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: we're separated, And I'm disappointed in that because that's not 162 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 2: why I fell in love with this genre. 163 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: That's not why I spend time. 164 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: Away from my family, relationships, whatever, to give a show 165 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: forty two minutes of my time because I want to 166 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: see what's real. And when you talk about Salt Lake 167 00:10:55,000 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 2: City Housewives, I enjoyed this season so much because I 168 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: do feel like we're getting real stuff and I feel 169 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: like those girls are funny and and and and bram 170 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: and revealing Todd cheated like love the fact that she 171 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: was honest about that, and the previous season of Maritime Medicine. 172 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: I I tends across the board because we. 173 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 2: Were giving, not giving. We were we were given some 174 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 2: real stuff. And my concern is nowadays people look at 175 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: reality TV as a quick buck to. 176 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: Make in exchange for popularity, but. 177 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: It truly has become the only occupation to where you 178 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 2: can lot on your application and get away with it. 179 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 3: That's so sad to me, you know, because it's almost 180 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 3: like telling me and I know it's no. Oh, I 181 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: shouldn't even say it, but it's no Santa Claus, you 182 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. 183 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: Okay, Ritchie, Ritchie next time. Given disclaimer. 184 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: A lot of my listeners are mothers who children are 185 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: whose children are the back seat. 186 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 3: That's why I paused when I as I was saying it, 187 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 3: because I realized I was like, oh, snap, oh, edit. 188 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 2: Mean, look, we don't add out important things. Go ahead, 189 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 2: I'm ahead, child, we are just getting started. This is 190 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get 191 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 2: back into the show. 192 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, that disappoints me. 193 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 3: And you know, I think that that does go a 194 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 3: long way towards what you were saying about kylein Mauricio. 195 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: I don't We didn't see anything leading up to to 196 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 3: understand what was going on other than Kyle running around 197 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: the world with this woman, Morgan. And now it's like 198 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 3: to see a season later she can't even say her 199 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 3: name on TV. Girl, No, I'm saying her name. I'm 200 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 3: gonna say you. You don't tattooed this woman on TV. 201 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: I'm saying her name. I don't know why you're not 202 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: saying it, and I don't know why you're not telling 203 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 3: us if y'all broke up allegedly. 204 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: I don't know. 205 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 3: But I mean you you're gonna have to give me something, 206 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 3: because because you did, it's still giving nothing. Even fighting 207 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 3: with Darrie is giving me nothing because I still know 208 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: nothing about your your your separation from Mauricio. 209 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 4: I know more about your arguments. 210 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 3: I know more about the conversations you have with p 211 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 3: K than I do about your your your conversations with. 212 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 4: Mauricio about why you guys are getting at this place. 213 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: Anyway, that's my problem, that's my problem. That's my problem, 214 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: and that's the reason why listen. I said this last 215 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: week on my podcast. I really enjoyed ourselves scene in 216 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: that episode because I just enjoy when you're talking about 217 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: something real, but I feel like it's relatable. 218 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: As great as Beverly Hill's Housewife is. 219 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: I do think we all know that the show is 220 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: known for having one storyline that they that they hook on, 221 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: and that's what we get for the next fourteen episodes, 222 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: and we know that's Dereit and and Kyle. 223 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: So we saw this episode. 224 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: It was the It was the continuation of Kyle versus Derit. 225 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: And Kyle said this without saying it, and I wonder 226 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: if you caught it too. Kyle kept intimating that me 227 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: and DeWitt were fine just a week ago, you know, 228 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 2: we he made amends and she said, I don't know 229 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: why dere is trying to start another problem with me, 230 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: And she intimated pretty much that Dereet, you know, needs 231 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: the show and the check and it's at Kyle's expense again, 232 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing what she said, but I really caught the 233 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: innuendows that Kyle was throwing her confessionals. By the way, 234 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: love that black and silver number, Kyle. You look gorgeous, honey. 235 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: She kept referring to it, and it does make you wonder. 236 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 2: And I wonder if you number one. 237 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: Caught that and two? 238 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: Because Deree has never ever told us that her and 239 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: pet care were having issues? Is she using this battle 240 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: with Kyle and extending it because she knows that the 241 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: moment they make up, what the fuck is she gonna 242 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 2: talk about? 243 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 4: I read this differently a little bit. I love Kyle. 244 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 4: I think that Kyle. You know I'm not. I don't 245 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 4: need to get the disclaimers. We know why we love Kyle. 246 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: But the thing that I don't love about Kyle is 247 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 3: I think that Kyle is I don't think she's that 248 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: self aware because if any of those women were texting Mauricio, 249 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: she would snap. Okay, she would snap, and she definitely 250 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: would have snapped on de Ree if it had been 251 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 3: if the situation had been reversed. So for me, I 252 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 3: don't know how DEREI found out because unless I missed, 253 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 3: unless I blinked. I don't know who told her, because 254 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be cross Jane told her, Okay, listen, 255 00:16:58,880 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: I need to. 256 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 4: And I got it. I got a whole other issue 257 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 4: with Erica. 258 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 2: But first of all, I have no issues with Erica 259 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: Jay because Erica Jay is doing it's farting the reality. Look, 260 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 2: I could be wrong, and range drops tell me if 261 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 2: I'm wrong or if I'm just assuming here. I thought 262 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: I was very interesting with something. It was something right, 263 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 2: who asked? But who told you? And the reason response 264 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: was what did she say? 265 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: Richie? 266 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 3: I cannot recall exactly what she said, but she didn't 267 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 3: name a person. 268 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 2: I think it was. Didn't Erica talk about this already? 269 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 3: Well, remember they did a flashback I think what it 270 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 3: was either doing the after show, oh my god, and watch. 271 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 4: So many of these little clips with them. 272 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: But when they showed the clip of the flashback of 273 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 3: dark asking Erica if she knew of of of Kyle 274 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 3: talking to p K, Erica was like, I don't know. 275 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 3: I don't not that I I don't know. 276 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: Okay, this is. 277 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 3: So I'm still I'm still trying to figure out how 278 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 3: she found out in true crime formats. Okay, we can 279 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: relatively assume that it was perchance Erica who told her, 280 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 3: but Erica then acts completely oblivious in real time. 281 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: This is why I love it, Erica Jane. I'm gonna 282 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 2: be real with you, and I'm on Erica Jane's side, 283 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 2: and y'all know I go for kaya, okay, but I also. 284 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: Keep it real. 285 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 2: Erica feels like none of those girls were a true 286 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: friend to her when she was going through her issues 287 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 2: with Tom Geraldine. Erica feels like the only true friend 288 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 2: she had was Lisa Renna. Lisa Renda was the one 289 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 2: who was like, I'm on your side, I'm with you. 290 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 2: When Erica Jane was reading the girls about like what 291 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: about me and my ear rings or whatever, and Lisa 292 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: were like, okay, go time to go. Lisa Reda said, okay, girl, 293 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: let me get let me escort you out of here, honey, okay, 294 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 2: because you're gonna say things that you are going to regret. 295 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: And I feel like Erica had a. 296 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 2: Very rough two to three seasons, and she said it. 297 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: She didn't feel like eating of these girls had her back. 298 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 2: And she even told Andy Cohen when it came to 299 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 2: Kyin Morgan, you better grill heart. 300 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: The way you grilled me, right, So I still that 301 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: to say. 302 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: Erica is like, good is somebody's time or turned to 303 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: be in the hot seat and Erica is playing chess. 304 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 2: She's like, look bitch to de Ree, look bitch, your 305 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 2: girl is texting your man like And I thought it 306 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: was very clever that production kept in Sutton's question. Now, 307 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: what I did think was going to happen was a 308 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 2: flashback or flash sideways or whatever of them find out 309 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: and maybe maybe maybe it just dawned on me, what's upcoming, Richie? 310 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: What we saw on the trailer. 311 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 2: It's a scene where all the girls are in the 312 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 2: robes and I think they're at like Bosey's house or event, 313 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 2: and they're all like whatever, and Kyle gets up and 314 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 2: she leaves, starts off and quits the show and pretty 315 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: much said, you guys are my friends. Maybe that's when 316 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: it's revealed that Erica Jane told to read what Kyle 317 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: to her in private and my private, I mean with 318 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 2: ten cameras in front of her. 319 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 4: But go ahead, mmm, because oh here's the thing. 320 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, Erica is normally so brash and brazen, 321 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 3: and I love listen, I didn't like her necessarily. 322 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 4: I didn't like her actions. 323 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 3: During those seasons where the girls were questioning her because 324 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: I feel like these were questions that we the audience had, like, girl, 325 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 3: like this whole divorce is real suspicious with the timing 326 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 3: of what's happening with him, Like, so you're gonna really 327 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: like because we didn't see no lead up. 328 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 4: For their breakup either. We didn't know nothing. 329 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: We didn't know any of what she claimed she was 330 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 3: going through until after she is now divorcing this man. 331 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 3: So none of these marriages are showing anything that's actually 332 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 3: going on with them. So it does make it hard 333 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: to believe that. Oh not hard to believe per se, 334 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 3: but it's shocking to us right now that we're hearing 335 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 3: these stories. It's like, well, where was this all this time? 336 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 4: Agreed? 337 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 3: So now in present moment, it's like, Okay. What I 338 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 3: feel like is Erica is gives each one of them 339 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 3: what she thinks they need, and she is not giving 340 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 3: them the truth. 341 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 4: That's what I feel like. 342 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: I buy the friendship between de Reed and Erica because 343 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 2: they started off rocky with Pantygate, right, but I think 344 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: which is very interesting and entertaining, and which is why 345 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 2: I love reality. I love it when two girls start 346 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: off rocky and end up being friends. That's why I 347 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: was looking forward to Kenyan Porsche this upcoming season of Atlanta. 348 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 2: I think Eric Henduriy had a lot of respect for 349 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 2: each other, right, and I think when it comes to 350 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: de Rey, when we saw Erica like okay, girls time ago, 351 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 2: like right, like, this is turning into some love and 352 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: hip hop type of shit. 353 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: Let's let's let me take you out. 354 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 3: When I saw that scene, Carlos, honestly, I felt like, 355 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 3: here's my thing. I felt like there had every right 356 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 3: to feel how she thought in that moment, and if anything, 357 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 3: I would have been telling Kyle, hey, girl, like you 358 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 3: need to like, you need to chill because none of 359 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 3: the stuff that you didn't what we're doing with PK 360 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: it is not right because you know, at the end 361 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 3: of the day, you wouldn't want anybody. And I felt 362 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 3: like Kyle was talking masks mass. I mean she was, 363 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 3: she was going ham on Durie, and so when Durie 364 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 3: finally snaps back and Eric is yanking her up out 365 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 3: of here, I'm like, unless you just don't want her 366 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 3: to reveal that it was. 367 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 4: You, then yeah, you gonna want her to be quiet. 368 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 4: Is that why you wanted her to shut up? 369 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 3: Come on, girl, like, no, no, let her go in. 370 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 4: Unless you don't want it to slip. Okay, oh girl, 371 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 4: you about to tell I said it. 372 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 3: No, come on, come on, let's go to the bathroom 373 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 3: like that's what it was given. 374 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is so funny to be I 375 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 2: didn't think about that. 376 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: Erica was like a little bitch before you spill my tea, bitch, 377 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,239 Speaker 1: let me take you out of your girl. We gotta go. 378 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 2: Bubbo Honey, the black cars outside, Honey, hop at the 379 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 2: drivers there, Honey with his bread tie. 380 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: Right, buddy, go home, honey. I think the kids need you, child. Honey. 381 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 2: The nanny's about to clock out. Hooey, you go home, child. 382 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: I mean because I was the reason why I can 383 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: have fun with this. 384 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 2: It's because the way eric go swooped in like she 385 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 2: was Kevin Kuner to de Ree Whitney Houston is what's 386 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 2: hilarious to me. Because my thing is this at the 387 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 2: end of the day, and listen, I will say this 388 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: and it's fine. This ate the real house was of Alata, 389 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: So I'm never thinking a girl will get snashed up 390 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: by her Ponytail, just saying I don't ever see you. 391 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: Can you imagine Drea Kyle pulling each other's hair? 392 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 2: Like, So that's why I was like, no, to your point, Ritchie, 393 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 2: let her go in. 394 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: They're not going to touch each. 395 00:24:54,720 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 3: Other, they're not gonna fight like, and I'm like, and 396 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 3: you know what it was, Carlos. 397 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 4: It was the way they ended the episode from from 398 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 4: last week. So you end the previous episode. 399 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 3: And you're like, you here glass and I'm thinking, oh, 400 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: they're shaking the table. 401 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 4: They are shaking the table. Then I see it and 402 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 4: I'm like, you ain't even let her get nowhere? 403 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 3: Can you let. 404 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: No let the read come? 405 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 4: I was so mad. 406 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yank up, Oh you ain't wanted 407 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: to tell your secret? 408 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: This is very interesting. 409 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 2: So rain Drops, y'all love to leave a comment, especially 410 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 2: on the Spotify, So. 411 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: Leave a comment. 412 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 2: Do y'all think Erica Jane is the one who told 413 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 2: dread about Kyle and PK texting? And do you think 414 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: that's the reason why Erica Jane was playing the role 415 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 2: of Kevin Costl and the bodyguard and Derek was Winnie 416 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 2: Houston and she had to snatch her up because the 417 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 2: crazy white Man with the silver hair, the stalker honey 418 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 2: was in in in the viper room child. So let 419 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 2: me know on the Spotify comments and I'll publish it 420 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 2: and then I'll come back next week talk about it. Richie, 421 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 2: thank you so much for stepping in this week. You 422 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 2: have been such a joy. Let my rain drops know 423 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 2: Richie where they can find you, follow you and support 424 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: your amazing podcast, YouTube channel, and yo, do we call 425 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 2: it a travel blog? Like explain all the amazing things you. 426 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: Have going on? 427 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 3: Okay, so first of all, follow me at DJ Richie 428 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 3: Scott everything on all social media Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, YouTube, snapchat, 429 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 3: all of that, and then when you do dive in 430 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 3: come travel with me. We got some trips coming up 431 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 3: to Thailand. We're doing group trips to Kate Town and Zanzibar, 432 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: so we got some exciting things coming up. 433 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 4: So you guys can. 434 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 3: If you are a traveler, if you've never traveled out 435 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 3: of the country, if you want to travel with the 436 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: group and your friends don't want to go because they can't, 437 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 3: you know, make up their minds, then this is the 438 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 3: place for you. 439 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 2: Yes and rain Drops. Tomorrow Friday, January. 440 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 4: Hold on. 441 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 5: Look edit that out let me, Oh like what Okay, 442 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 5: I got it? Okay, here we go, damn and rain drops. 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