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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well. Hey, rain Drops, on today's episode of

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King, we are doing a deep dive

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Speaker 1: into I guess I'll call it a cancelation of Basketball wise.

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Speaker 2: But first I could not do this episode alone. I

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Speaker 2: am reunited with my girl.

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Speaker 1: She is an OG, and I felt like having this

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Speaker 1: discussion about the rise and the fall of basketball wives

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Speaker 1: should be inducted with an OG so that she and

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Speaker 1: I can just talk about exactly where we think things

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Speaker 1: went wrong to leave this unfortunate decision. So ladies jumped

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Speaker 1: him and Gaze and Bays give it up for the

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Speaker 1: og of basketball Byes Royce reed.

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Speaker 3: Hey, and you know I had to put on my

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Speaker 3: Rattler shirt, so shout out, I'm good, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I have good. No cole plains, nocle planes. What have

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Speaker 2: you been up to, sweetheart?

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Speaker 4: I'm on a farm now. Yeah, I have chickens.

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Speaker 3: I'm working on getting alpasas and an emu. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: they just started laying eggs. I have a whole like lake,

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Speaker 3: go to doc so I go fishing. So yeah, I

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Speaker 3: finally got my soft girl farm life.

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Speaker 4: And I love that for me.

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Speaker 1: I love that for you because I know that when

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Speaker 1: it comes to you, you're such a nature girl with

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Speaker 1: everything that you know you are about.

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Speaker 2: So that's good. So listen, life is good for you

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean for the most part.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, still obviously I still have bullshit, but for the

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Speaker 3: most part, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. But Lissa, you look good. You look good.

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Speaker 1: I got my age too, all because we are going

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Speaker 1: to do a deep dive into this conversation about basketball wives.

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Speaker 4: And I have my gas station drink.

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Speaker 3: It's not a gas station margarita, but it's a deep box.

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Speaker 2: So not to watch a potomac and.

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Speaker 4: Yep, and let me just say I love Stacy, Okime,

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 2: That is good.

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Speaker 1: But question for you before we get to basketball wives, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: team Angel or team Giselle.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you know what, Honestly, I'm gonna have

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Speaker 3: to say I'm team Angel because I feel like she

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Speaker 3: really tried. And I feel like, you know, even being

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Speaker 3: on basketball wise, like I know how it feels to

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Speaker 3: you know, be like just constantly like I don't even

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Speaker 3: want to say bash, but just pushed, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean. And I felt like she was constantly trying,

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Speaker 3: and it's so unfortunate that our trip went.

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Speaker 4: The way it did.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think it was like I think she

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Speaker 3: tried and just so like she's just that was just mean,

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Speaker 3: Like the girl tried.

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Speaker 4: Just now, she tried. You didn't have to. I mean,

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Speaker 4: come on, she didn't have to do her like that.

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Speaker 4: She really didn't. And I was really happy.

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Speaker 3: I honestly was really happy when they didn't follow her

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Speaker 3: when she was trying to like leave the first.

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Speaker 4: Time, and they were like, well, nah, I actually do

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Speaker 3: I could tell that she was kind of like, oh,

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Speaker 3: oh yeah, yeah, this is not mean girls.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well look, that's the reason why you are the perfect

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Speaker 1: person talk about this, because not only when you featured

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Speaker 1: on basketball, yes, but you also understand the mechanics of

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Speaker 1: reality television.

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Speaker 2: So to update, the brain Drops.

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Speaker 1: Last week, Shawnie Henderson formerly O'Neill, shared a statement on

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Speaker 1: her Instagram that she is officially announcing that Basketball Vies

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Speaker 1: would not be returning for another season.

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Speaker 2: Another season, excuse.

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Speaker 1: Me, bringing an end to the VH one reality franchise

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Speaker 1: after twelve seasons. Shawnee intimated that it was a planned

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Speaker 1: transition and not a sudden cascelation, as she's highlighting that

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Speaker 1: growth requires evolution, and she also mentioned that she wants

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Speaker 1: to do projects that is aligned more with where she's

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Speaker 4: So, oh, praise God.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy that she's come to that realization. But where

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, right.

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Speaker 2: We're god real compensation tonight. All right, So let let's

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Speaker 1: So when you found out that the show was not returning,

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Speaker 1: what was your initial reaction.

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Speaker 3: I just responded to the email saying that I would

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Speaker 3: do the podcast because I didn't hear it until I

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Speaker 1: Wait wait, so wait, you're like, off social media, you

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Speaker 1: had no idea to like contact you that the show

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Speaker 4: No, I mean, because this is the thing.

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Speaker 3: All last weekend I was working a competition. I was

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Speaker 3: using my MC voice introducing entry number five thirteen. Like

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Speaker 3: that was me this whole weekend for like twelve hours

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Speaker 3: a day. So no, I wasn't on social media, but

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Speaker 3: I also don't watch the show.

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Speaker 1: Oh so okay, so this is a real exclusive, So

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Speaker 1: maybe ask you how do you feel about this show

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Speaker 1: not coming back after twelve seasons.

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Speaker 3: I'm shocked it lasted that long, to be honest, why

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Speaker 4: Because I just felt like it was just one layer.

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Speaker 3: Everybody had pretty much like the same personality almost to

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Speaker 3: them to be, you kicked them off the show. And

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Speaker 3: I just felt like there was never really any substance.

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Speaker 3: There wasn't a you know, an array of like personalities

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Speaker 3: anytime that someone question, anyone that was considered like a

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Speaker 3: of way that was different than the way they wanted

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Speaker 4: I mean I can name that for several people.

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Speaker 3: I mean even me, because I started calling Shawne by

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Speaker 1: Name, which is why, but Shandia you would call her

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Speaker 1: that and scene I would.

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Speaker 3: Call her that, and scene when she would be playing

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Speaker 3: with me, yes, and in confessionals, which is why a

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Speaker 3: lot of my confessionals you never heard me talking about

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Speaker 4: They would cut it out.

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Speaker 3: But I'm like, nah, if y'all want to sit here

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Speaker 3: she's treated me like shit, We're not gonna do that.

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Speaker 3: So again, I think when people question her, I'm just

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Speaker 3: happy that they aired it when Brandy did it because

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Speaker 2: So when you were on the show, you would check her,

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Speaker 4: Never they would never er it.

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Speaker 1: Because the thing is this and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Shawnee has editing rights and she gets to watch the

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Speaker 1: that doesn't happen on a lot of shows where a

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Speaker 1: Basketball Wives, I think is widely known.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying anything.

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Speaker 1: And it's and it is what it is that Shawnee

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Speaker 1: definitely had editing rights on that show. And you know

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Speaker 1: the reason why I wanted to talk to you too,

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Speaker 1: is because I do think the demise of Basketball Wives,

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Speaker 1: which was a show I fell in love with instantly,

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Speaker 1: I instantly, he fell in love of the show. It

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Speaker 1: tapped into a subculture that was at that time very interesting.

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Speaker 1: The show a review around two thousand and nine, so

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Speaker 1: to be able to see the current or former girlfriend's wives.

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Speaker 2: Of these athletes was definitely interested.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, interesting, But I do think what happened along

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Speaker 1: the lines is exactly what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: And I've heard this from several.

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Speaker 1: Girls who appeared on my podcast and said the same

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Speaker 1: thing to you that you know, look, Shawnee definitely had

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Speaker 1: and I'll say it. Tammy Roman said, this on my podcast,

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Speaker 1: So I want to make it clear You're not alone,

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Speaker 1: Tammy Roman, Laura Gavon, you have all said the same

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Speaker 1: thing that when it came to Basketball Wives, that Shawnee

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I say that because.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've always given you praise on how you

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Speaker 4: But one that makes a good friend group because.

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Speaker 3: If everybody is the same, then like you've finna go

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, who's gonna do that?

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Speaker 3: And when you have a cast like what you have

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Speaker 3: guess even banter about, oh, why did you do this?

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Speaker 4: Why did you do that?

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Speaker 3: But it was never about completely tearing someone down. It

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Speaker 3: was never about doing all these private investigations because now

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Speaker 3: When I heard about that, I was like, wow, you

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Speaker 3: with what would down, you know, with Tammy, and then

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Speaker 3: the Jennifer situation with the rumor, like certain things have

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Speaker 3: you have asked answer it, one is a sense of disrespect.

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Speaker 3: And then two, you can't say this is my real life.

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Speaker 3: You're on a reality show. That's what you signed up for.

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Speaker 3: You signed up to tell these people your real life.

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Speaker 3: I was asked on camera by Evelyn And yes, never aired,

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Speaker 1: Right, we can have an argument, but let's really really

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Speaker 2: You were on the show.

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Speaker 3: or don't worry about it, I'll edit it out, then

444
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 3: you're constantly filming in fear because you're like, well, what

445
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 3: they gonna show about me that they're not gonna show

446
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 3: about you?

447
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: And that's the thing that I did want to ask

448
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: you about too. At some point, it did feel.

449
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: Like the cast was disjointed, right, My favorite seasons of

450
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: Basketball Wives will always be the first three well because

451
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: for me, Royce for me, for me, for me, it

452
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: fell organic and and yes, like like like and listen.

453
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: I am a huge fan of the show and I

454
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: know every scene in the world. I remember season two,

455
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: believe it. Season two when Shawnee checked Gloria like she

456
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: first of all, she wore a tank top, have the haircut,

457
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: and her Glory going at it. Glory calls her to

458
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: see you next Tuesday, goes into Gloria goes into the

459
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: production car.

460
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 2: Shawnnie slaughed, it's right me me here, I go. Roy's

461
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: like this because because to me, I felt like, Okay, Shawnee,

462
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: you do get down with the get down.

463
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: And I thought for the audience, we enjoy seeing somebody

464
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: who deemed themselves to be like this, you know, this matriarch,

465
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: this queen Bee.

466
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: No, you you also could get down like and Morna

467
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: got that side out of you.

468
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: So you were there in that moment, and I do

469
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: want to ask you about that scene too, but I

470
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: also want to ask you about like I felt that

471
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: that's what we also wanted to see. I thought that

472
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: was a real conflict, and I thought Shawnee stood on business.

473
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: But I remember after that scene, you never saw Shawnee

474
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: do that. I think she realized, oh I can't be

475
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: that way, so let somebody else do it. But anyways,

476
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: getting back to that scene, that was like one of

477
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 1: those really scenes the first three seasons.

478
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 3: To me, Yeah, so I just sat there, you know,

479
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: and the thing is like people got on me, so

480
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 3: much because I'm like.

481
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 4: Royce, why did you tell them where they were?

482
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,239
Speaker 3: Let's break the fourth wall, okay, because people have been

483
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 3: talking about this lately anyway, there are certain times where

484
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 3: they cannot get absolutely anyone to set up something, and

485
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 3: you know you've you probably dealt with this too, where

486
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: they're just like, hell Na, I'm not doing that shit.

487
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, so it came down to me and I

488
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 4: was like, why.

489
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: I gotta do it?

490
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 4: And they were like, because you're cool with both sides.

491
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, but I wanted to stay that way, but

492
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 3: they're like, you're the only one. So I had to

493
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: set up that scene. But I said from the beginning,

494
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, I'm nothing, have no parts of

495
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 3: this like at all. So I was sitting there like

496
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 3: this some hold.

497
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: Man.

498
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 3: I was so mad that I had to do it,

499
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: but I was fully entertained.

500
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 4: Oh, I was fully entertained.

501
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: I thought, listen, I will say Gloria, and I asked up, man,

502
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: she ain't her ass up and that's probably why she

503
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 3: come back because she was like ship she is a listen.

504
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 4: Shawney is a terrible reader.

505
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 3: She is no favor Okay, that's something she needs to

506
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 3: work on. Because oh my god, I remember being there like,

507
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, she said that's what you said in

508
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 3: the slow that wasn't a good one.

509
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 4: She still got you.

510
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: And Roy.

511
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: And Roy's the fact that Gloria was cool as.

512
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: A cucumber and was like, yeah, I want to get

513
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: married to be old miserable like y'all like me, like me, yes,

514
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: like you still eating her food, yes, Roy, Glory got

515
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: her food to go, was able to get was able

516
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: to get her to go box and you know me

517
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: from the hood.

518
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: You're in a contentious situation. You don't want anybody to

519
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: walk behind you. Gloria felt so cool. They walked behind her.

520
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: She just she didn't run, And I'm.

521
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 4: Just like, yep, oh my god.

522
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: That is one of my favorite scenes to have been

523
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: a part of because I was like, I feel like

524
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: I should have known that Shawnee wasn't coming back because well,

525
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: I tell you, Like that was one of them scenes

526
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: where Susie and I used to be real cool, like

527
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: outside of the show. That was one of those scenes

528
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 3: where I called Susie afterwards like bitch, oh and Sue listen.

529
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: Susie dipp got her car. She left in the middle

530
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: of the scene, but.

531
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: Like yep, oh man, oh man, that was Oh yeah,

532
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: that one was great.

533
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we had some we had some moments.

534
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: I will go down in history saying the first three

535
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: seasons were the best.

536
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: And you're right.

537
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: Gloria did not come back that next season. She led

538
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: the LA spin off because like I guess, like, you're right.

539
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: Shawnie said, look, bitch, you can't. There's no fucking way,

540
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: like and you know what's surprised me that I move

541
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: on from it. Even Evelyn and Jen dag like they

542
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: literally was like there's.

543
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: Nothing like Meanwhile, she want to stick up for her friend,

544
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: but she like this, you know, she got the vain

545
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 3: bugging out and everything like this.

546
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 4: You're not gonna say nothing better than that. That's all

547
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 4: you got, fuck girl, you can say. She was like

548
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 4: that's it.

549
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that that was a moment. That that was fun.

550
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

551
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: One thing I do remember too, And I want to

552
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: get your thoughts on this.

553
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: You did bring up fear right, do you think the

554
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: other thing?

555
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: Because as we're talking about like what went wrong with

556
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: this show, like why isn't this show lasting as long

557
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: as the Real Housewives brand, for example, spinning off into

558
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: multiple cities do you think one of the reasons about

559
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: the institution of that show was the fear was it

560
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: was what were people just afraid of.

561
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: Going against Shawnee or going even maybe maybe going against

562
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: Haplyn because they're close by proxy?

563
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: Like was there like this halo of fear hovering over

564
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: the cast about like what.

565
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: To do, what not to do because we know what

566
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: can happen to us.

567
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: I definitely think like when new cast members were brought in,

568
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: they had to pick a side. And sometimes you're also

569
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: cast as, Okay, this person is bringing you in, and

570
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 3: so y'all supposed to be friends, right, even though you

571
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: don't know that person, but there's.

572
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: Like four and foul it y'all.

573
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: You know, you know, y'all been cool, y'all like might

574
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: wap it up and stuff.

575
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 4: But yeah, so.

576
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: I think when you have cast members that are brought

577
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: in like that they want to get a second season

578
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: or contract, that they are willing to go against their

579
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: own morals and stick with the side that has been

580
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: there the longest, which completely understand I do, just would

581
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: never be be you know.

582
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, but.

583
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: Definitely I think like there was a lot of fear

584
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: in contesting anything with them.

585
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: What would you.

586
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: Have liked to see the show evolved to be because

587
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: one thing about me, as I look at my own

588
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: shows and I look at the show that I love,

589
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: you definitely have to have an evolved yes. And I

590
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: always tell people the kiss of death for a reality

591
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: show is when a casma walks in saying I'm gonna

592
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: start the show. I'm na clean bee because nobody it's

593
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: like a team like Lebron James, doesn't go around saying.

594
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: I'm this is my motherfucker. You know, like you want.

595
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: Your team to support you the captain, and it's okay

596
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: to do the captain, but if you have that sort

597
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: of attitude going into it doesn't make the other girls

598
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: feel comfortable working together. Like you said, we gotta be

599
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: best friends. But I'm willing to clock in give the

600
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: TV see if there's a friendship that can develop organically.

601
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: But the uncomfortability of like you coming in too strong.

602
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: So my question to you is where would you have

603
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: liked to see the show evolved to be.

604
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: I definitely wanted to see it expand to different cities,

605
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: for sure, but I also wanted them to stick to

606
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: a cast and just evolved with that cast, Like one

607
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: of my favorite, like Reality householves a Potomac, and I

608
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 3: love the variety of the cast. I feel like there's

609
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: so many different personalities, so many different styles, and then

610
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 3: you always got to have like the one that's down

611
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 3: for anything. And I feel like on Potomac, that's freaking Ashley, you.

612
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying.

613
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: And I feel and I've commented on her stuff and

614
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 3: been like, girl, we would have got along great because

615
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: I feel like that that her character on that show

616
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 3: is who I was supposed to be On Basketball Wives, Yes,

617
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 3: but Potomac cast embraced her. Basketball Wives pushed me out.

618
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 3: Every time I did anything, I was called names.

619
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 4: I was just you know, uninvited.

620
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 3: I was is.

621
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 4: Why am I getting emotional? What the fuck?

622
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: Bitch?

623
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: No, let me stop drinking this. You know, sometimes it's

624
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 3: about the company you keep. And I love the fact

625
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: how they have embraced Ashley. And then I even look

626
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 3: at like other shows and I look at how was

627
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: Porsia's best friend on Atlanta Housewives.

628
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 4: I love her like she's the same way, you know

629
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 4: what I mean.

630
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: And it's like they don't chastise, they don't belittle, they

631
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 3: don't degrade, And that's what I got So I think

632
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: what I would have liked for the show to do

633
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 3: is exactly what it was brought to me for.

634
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 4: And it was supposed to.

635
00:35:52,440 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 3: Bring women together that were at different levels of you know,

636
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: the NBA or whatever, the wife, the girlfriend, the dancer,

637
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 3: you know, the friend.

638
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

639
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 3: That's it was supposed to bring all these people together

640
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 3: and deal with real life and also follow their careers,

641
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: but also follow the drama. What career has been followed

642
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: with basketball wives?

643
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: Name one? You can't?

644
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, and that's what I'm saying, Like, but

645
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: you go to you know, Atlanta Housewives, you go to Potomac,

646
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 3: you go to all these other like franchises, even Bell Collective.

647
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, you go to these

648
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: shows loving marriage like they all have careers that have

649
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: been followed.

650
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. And that's again where I go.

651
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 3: You got to give to get and get to give

652
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 3: because is it's it's on the show.

653
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 4: We didn't have that.

654
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: They made me look like I talk to me like

655
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 3: I was trash and never talked about my dance company.

656
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 4: Every day knew I was a dancer.

657
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 3: You know, they showed they you know, showed like I

658
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: think season one, I don't know if it was season

659
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: two too, but they showed me dancing. And people don't

660
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: even know that Tracy, super Black girl that everybody loves

661
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: is on season one of Basketball Wives dancing with me.

662
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: Yes, Tracy, super black.

663
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: Girl, ah, super black all yes, yes, Tracy byr Yes,

664
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 3: we danced together on the Heat. Tracy is the reason

665
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 3: why I kept dancing in college. We're no longer close,

666
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 3: you know, you know, we had our moments. But even

667
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 3: with that, like, I love her and I always give

668
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 3: her credit. She's amazing at what she does. But like

669
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 3: she was on the show, but you wouldn't know it

670
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: because they never pushed that side of me. So people

671
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: are constantly asking me, like, do you have a job.

672
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 4: What do you do?

673
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: And I'm like, y'all don't know. I have a whole

674
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: dance company out in this bitch. I'm a world champion,

675
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: but you wouldn't know it. So that's what I respect

676
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: about your programs and what I respect about the Housewives franchise.

677
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: That's what happened with Basketball Wives. They did the opposite.

678
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah no, and listen, first of all, thank you, But

679
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: number two, I will say as a producer, it was listen,

680
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: there was a point in which the show wasn't as

681
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: fond anymore because it wasn't what you were saying, like

682
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: they weren't following the reality. And I was very vocal

683
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: about the fact that at one point there were a

684
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: lot of seasons consecutively where the show felt disjointed because

685
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: you have the Miami Show, then you have the LA

686
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: spin off, and then they said, let'sures make it to

687
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: one show, and then you had an entire cast where

688
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: no one lived in LA and y'all flew them there,

689
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, like, this is not going to

690
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: work because we want personal story. I want to see

691
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 1: you go home to your husband. I want to see

692
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: you be a mom. And if you're in LA for

693
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: three months, put up in an apartment and you're just

694
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: there for the show, you're the audience is not going

695
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 1: to receive it because that means for us, Royce.

696
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: Oh, y'all just had to argue with each other and

697
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: we don't.

698
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: Even get a break from that to see again a

699
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: date not with your man, or hanging out with your

700
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: mama or just something.

701
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 2: So I do think one of the other biggest men.

702
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: Mistakes to me was when they allowed the Shell to

703
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: be in LA when, when I say not, Jackie Christy

704
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: lives in Sacramento, no one who lived in Los Angeles

705
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: at the time they made that decision, and I just

706
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: remember thinking to myself, like, this.

707
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: Is not going to end well. And unfortunately, as we

708
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: can see with the show like coming Back, it didn't well.

709
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 4: The thing is I was supposed to go back two

710
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 4: seasons ago.

711
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I found this out after I did my

712
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 3: interview with you, So don't feel it. Yes, no, no,

713
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: no no, But that's why I didn't tell you then

714
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 3: because I didn't know.

715
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 4: But they asked me back, like I think.

716
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: We started conversations in like February, and I was supposed

717
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: to go back, but the weekend that they wanted me

718
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: to go, I couldn't go.

719
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 4: I was still supposed to go.

720
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 3: I still had apparently an airbnb at a flight, all

721
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 3: this stuff.

722
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 4: We'll get there.

723
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: But I told him I couldn't go that particular weekend

724
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 3: because I promised to take my team to Nationals INCA

725
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: Nationals because remember I was coaching at BCU.

726
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to just be like peace out, you

727
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So I took them to Nationals.

728
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 4: Of course they bombed. I'm just saying, like you would

729
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 4: think that it would be a Cinderella story.

730
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: Not for me.

731
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 4: No, no, this is not your ca.

732
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: So I mean, I still love them, but yeah, but

733
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: I took them the Nationals. So I was supposed to

734
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: leave that Monday. When I tell you, I was at

735
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 3: the airport and got through the gate. I even had

736
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: my cat in the bag. And when I went to

737
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: like because they told me I had to check in

738
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: because I had my cat and make sure that my

739
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 3: seat was able to hold her because I was in

740
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: like one A and you know one A doesn't really

741
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: have any right, so they were supposed to switch me.

742
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: And then they were like, huh, we just sold your ticket.

743
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: What why would you do that. I'm here, I've already

744
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: checked in, I'm not late or anything. And then I

745
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: get a call from my attorney, my entertainment attorney, and

746
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: he's like, I just got a call from production and

747
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: they're canceling your contract. I was at the airport, Carlos. Yes,

748
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 3: I was at the airport with my cat.

749
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 5: Back.

750
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 4: It's not funny, but I have to laugh at it now.

751
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 4: But I don't even want to say I was hurt.

752
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: I was embarrassed because I'm literally like, I'm going to

753
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 3: a lamb, I'm gonna go do a show.

754
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 4: And yeah, it was. I was canceled that fast.

755
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: Why.

756
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: I have no idea Still to this day, I have

757
00:42:54,719 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 3: no idea I have. I have assumptions. I think someone

758
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: has something to do with it, just like they did before,

759
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 3: but I can't prove.

760
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 4: It, so right right, I mean, and I think.

761
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: It's more so because of the name of the show

762
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 3: that they have an issue with, But that was the

763
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: name of the show should.

764
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 4: Have been changed a long time ago anyway, But maybe

765
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 4: that's the thing. Maybe I'm going to change the name

766
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 4: of the show.

767
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: Well I think, But listen, and I say this with kindness,

768
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: and I really do, I really do, because I appreciate

769
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: every single cast member that has made the brave decision,

770
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: including you obviously, to even interreality television, it's a hard gig,

771
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: it's a hard gig. So when I say this, I'm

772
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: saying this with kindness. You could name the show La Girlfriends.

773
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: Right. The point is.

774
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: We want to see evolution and organic friendships. And I

775
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: think even if you change the name of the show,

776
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: even if.

777
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 2: And I and I say this again of kindness.

778
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: Shawnee is the first lady of a church, right, and

779
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: I think.

780
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 5: It's I'll speak for myself, church ladies, I'll speak for me.

781
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to see the first lady of a

782
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: church in this environment where there's there's bickering, right that

783
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: that's me. That's me, especially when it's sort of like

784
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: if I see you a part of something like this

785
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: and then on Sunday I see you get what I'm saying,

786
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: it will be hard for me and I could be

787
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: a moment in this.

788
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 2: It would be hard for me to separate the two.

789
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: Now, from Mariti medicine, people can say, well their doctors acting.

790
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: A fool, Okay, cool.

791
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: Now, what I'm obsessed with them doctor heavily in real

792
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: life is my dentist.

793
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: So the reason.

794
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: Why for me is different is because they're professional women

795
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: who really do a good job of the profession and

796
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: they don't have this halo of spirituality hanging over their

797
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 1: head the way Shawnee does. Because even Dustin Ross, who's

798
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: a part of my team, he was like, I would

799
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: like to see a show about the first ladies of

800
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: a church. And I said, as much as I would

801
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: want to I don't want to see.

802
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: My first ladies argue again that's me. That's me.

803
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: So I don't know what they can do with it,

804
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: but I'm with you, Royce. I did think for a second, like, Okay,

805
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: is the show going to be because Sean was very

806
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: careful with like it's not returning. I want to do

807
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: project that's on line more of where I'm at. And

808
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, could it be a show where Shawnee,

809
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: Evelyn and some.

810
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: Of the girls doing whatever I I I don't know.

811
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: It would have to be a lighting and a bottle

812
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: cast of real girlfriends. Look, could it be Shannie Evelyn,

813
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: Evelyn's Dollar, Shanise and I don't know who their friends are.

814
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: Listen. Maybe I'll give you anything a try. But my

815
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: point is how unfortunate.

816
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 4: Would you really watch that?

817
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: The thing is this and I'll say this.

818
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 4: And this is just because like, what did they do

819
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 4: that's fun to watch?

820
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna I was just about to say that,

821
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: and I'm want to keep it real when I say this.

822
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: Evelyn works with an ensemble cast where she's in conflict.

823
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: M it is what it is.

824
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Evelyn Evelyn is amazing when she's on the show.

825
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: Where it's conflict. Evelyn had to spin off on the

826
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey Network. I tried watching get my opinion. It

827
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: wasn't great. It wasn't good to me. I Evelyn works

828
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: ensemble and she's in conflict.

829
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: That's so.

830
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 4: What show did she have on OM that was recent?

831
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, this is when she with Chad No, no,

832
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: this is this is after the chat situation.

833
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: Remember there was a point where Basketball Wives was on hiatus,

834
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: and I believe she left the show at least that's

835
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: what she said.

836
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: So she had a season maybe two max. But this girl,

837
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: this is back in twenty eleven.

838
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, she had a show. This is she

839
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: she did Yalla fix my life?

840
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, I feel like I definitely remember that.

841
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 2: I feel like I remember that fixed my life? Okay.

842
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: And then after that they gave her her own show

843
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 1: and the show was called Living. It aired for two

844
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: seasons between twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen.

845
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: I tried watching it. It just it wasn't good to me.

846
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't good to me because Evolent works where she's

847
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: in conflicting situations. Because when she is, she gives you,

848
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 1: well you and I both know a good read.

849
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

850
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: Whatever she gives, she gives a good right, So I

851
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: don't know what else it could be. But not again.

852
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 2: I'll watch anything once.

853
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but again, But you know how to build a cast,

854
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: That's the thing, like I do.

855
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 4: Everybody doesn't know how to do that.

856
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: Everybody can't say, oh, I'm a producer and then also

857
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 3: know how to be a casting director. Can't be both,

858
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Yeah, So I think when

859
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: it comes to Shawnee, look at me being see I'm growing.

860
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 3: I'm calling her Shawnee.

861
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 4: When it comes to Shawne, I think she needs to.

862
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 3: Step back and just be a producer and let somebody

863
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: else do the cast, just like she didn't attend those

864
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 3: meetings I did. Like I know how to sell a show.

865
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: Tom Huffman knows how to sell a show. Shawnie doesn't

866
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 3: know how to sell a show. She needs to just

867
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 3: be in the background.

868
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 4: And I say that because.

869
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking about some of the shows that I

870
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: do know that she's done and where they are. But shit,

871
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 3: look at me, I ain't know nothing, so I can't

872
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 3: really say too much. I'm just say in my ass

873
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: over here, just like I got chickens. So I'm like,

874
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 3: I can't really talk them too much shit, but like

875
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 3: I feel like I I know how.

876
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 4: To like sell something. I also know how this should

877
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 4: let me sell myself.

878
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 3: I know how to be a great cast member, just

879
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 3: not with them.

880
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, you already even know on my head you

881
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: are definitely the Ashley Darby a basketball why And that's

882
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: the reason why I listen with a cop because you are.

883
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: You also remind me of Canvas too, Like you, Candace

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Speaker 1: and Ashley.

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Speaker 2: Have this thing where you you.

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Speaker 1: You three are beautiful petite ladies that your mouth is

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Speaker 1: seven foot tall, and that to me is.

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Speaker 3: What Wait a minute though, wait do wait on wait,

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Speaker 3: wait wait a minute? Oh my god, this might get

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Speaker 3: me in trouble. Yes, but one of those that you name,

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Speaker 3: I'm not a real fan of her delivery of certain things.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a big huge fan of Candace. I was

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Speaker 3: all team Monique. I'm not even gonna lie to you,

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Speaker 3: and some of my friends are a team Candace.

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Speaker 4: Like we we have debated and gone back and forth.

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Speaker 3: I feel like when I speak, and again this is

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Speaker 3: my feelings.

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Speaker 4: I'm speaking for myself.

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Speaker 3: Because people, I'm like, I feel like what I speak,

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Speaker 3: I don't immediately take it to hell, like you gotta

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00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 3: go low with me first. You know, it's back in

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Speaker 3: the day, like I grew up in the hood, Like

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00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: you know, they hit you, you hit them back.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: But I never threw the first punch. So for me,

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Speaker 3: it's like I can debate with you with words, which

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Speaker 3: she's very good at. But then I feel like when

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Speaker 3: she just gets triggered and it could be something so minor,

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Speaker 3: did she just take that shit like to the grave.

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Speaker 3: And I feel like if me and Kandace ever got

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Speaker 3: into it, we would be in hell having a part.

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Speaker 3: We would be in that this is dancing like a

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Speaker 3: motherfucker line dancing, okay, shit, boots on the ground, like

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Speaker 3: what you got next? Like that girl is brutal, Oh

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Speaker 3: my god.

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Speaker 4: And I'm sure she's sweet.

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Speaker 3: Like that's the only time I would even have like

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Speaker 3: an issue with her, like wait a minute, because everything else,

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Speaker 3: like you said, like she's fun as hell. But we

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Speaker 3: would have to probably almost like me and Sammy we

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Speaker 3: had the hand in the face moment, like yeah, me

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Speaker 3: and Kandas would have to have one of those moments

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Speaker 3: and be like, okay, bitch, you could take it there too. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: look at you.

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Speaker 2: Ah, this is Carlos.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to say.

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Speaker 3: I just had to say that because I know my friends,

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Speaker 3: if they like watch this or will they watch it,

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Speaker 3: They're gonna be like now you know damn well, I

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Speaker 3: know they would say something.

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Speaker 4: So I'm like, yes, roy.

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Speaker 2: Royce, keep your phone off, but not only with that,

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Speaker 2: don't listen. You have good commentary.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. I try, you know, Royce, keep your baby okay.

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Speaker 1: So look, yeah, this is not going to be the

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Speaker 1: last time you see be a Royce this year.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you that.

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Speaker 4: I love that you got it. You gotta right around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Royce, look, I love yo.

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Speaker 2: I love you so much. I ain't drops.

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Speaker 1: Let us know what you thought about this conversation. There

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Speaker 1: could be room for part two of this two with

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Speaker 1: Royce read and some other things, So ray Drops, let

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Speaker 1: me know the comments. What you thought about this episode

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Speaker 1: with the beautiful Royce read and keep your phone on?

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Speaker 2: Honey the bells okay.

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Speaker 4: Because I mean Florida is in the South.

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Speaker 2: I love you since to have a good one.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you soon, all right, you to love you baby.

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Speaker 1: A Reality with the King is executive produced by me

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Speaker 1: Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz and a partnership.

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Speaker 2: With the Lack Effect Network.

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Speaker 1: You can also find us on my YouTube channel at

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Speaker 1: the Carlos King Underscore