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Speaker 1: And so as I hear you talk a lord about

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Speaker 1: let's talk about how can we get in touch with you?

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Speaker 1: What is your website? Let's let's go there before we

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Speaker 1: each tooth in your mouth is as signed a number,

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Speaker 1: You was you was headed down the right track. You

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Speaker 1: know you you you you understood how to be successful

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Speaker 1: using these philosophers. It's all about science. It's nothing offensive

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Speaker 1: I just know that's a food sitting over there. I

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the book, my friend. You've revised, it

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Speaker 1: is updated. When you say that is revised and updated,

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Speaker 1: what exactly does that mean? Well, what it means was

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Speaker 1: that I published my first book in seven. This one

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Speaker 1: was published in seven. Now I have three other books

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Speaker 1: Lloyd's Numbers in New Relationship Guide for people about relationships, marriage,

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Speaker 1: Best Time to sad me Evan, and I have another

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Speaker 1: one called Lloyd's Numbers in New work Book that's ingreening

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Speaker 1: as I've been doing this over forty years, kind of

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Speaker 1: So Confusus says, when you found your passion, you never

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Speaker 1: you know, it's really fun. At first of all, it's

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Speaker 1: I'm still following the rule that foundation that was very key.

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Speaker 1: And I tell people at all the time who are confused,

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Speaker 1: help them now if they are confused, or you can

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Speaker 1: just as friends, because you know, I just need to.

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Speaker 1: I like surrounded myself with people who have similar drive,

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Speaker 1: similar passion. That's why I'm heading in my life now.

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Speaker 1: Lord is making sure that people around me, uh, motivate me,

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Speaker 1: from the negative spirit. And you're not a negative spirit.

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Speaker 1: You're a motivator because of the fact that I know

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Speaker 1: my client Tello primarily women, but men need to be

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Speaker 1: We'll get up, We'll get them there together, Lord, me

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Speaker 1: definitely let everybody know that you're the truth again before

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Speaker 1: we get off the off the wrap up this interview, Lord,

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Speaker 1: had I've had moments, and I'd say I have moments,

639
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: but I think it it hasn't It hasn't really been

640
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: until really around now, to be fair, because I think

641
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: now I've actually put in a solid well now being

642
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: New Year's full ten years, thank you too, to my

643
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: to my craft, being an established artist, um, and also

644
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: jumping into a new endeavor you know, a film and TV. Well,

645
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's really interesting because you are a diverse

646
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: talent singer. Okay, And sometimes I remember when I was

647
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: managing Steve Harvey because it was a comedian. Some people

648
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: were envious that he was able to get sitcoms because

649
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: he was a comedian. They feel he didn't put the

650
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: work into the craft, you know, and so he just

651
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: gave it. He just got it because he's Steve. He's

652
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: a funny guy. And that's not fair, you know, if

653
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: we all put different levels of work. Because if I

654
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: mentioned the city should at Lanta, ha what you love

655
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: that food? That cold dr right on here to run

656
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: right on New York City, Yes, and the l A

657
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: just because you gotta go there, you have to go there,

658
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: So that means you putting work into your life. There's

659
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: there's there's means that there's times you would be rather

660
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: be someplace else. Yeah, but you gotta be there. You

661
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: gotta be well. I mean, you know they're there are

662
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: different paths you must take. I mean sometimes you don't

663
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: always know it right off the back. You know, I

664
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: left New Orleans, um right out of high school, went

665
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,959
Speaker 1: to l a sleeping on a couch, sleeping on the floor,

666
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, me and my me and my bros that

667
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: I graduated from school with, and and we just you know,

668
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: we have the mentality that Okay, this is what it's

669
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: gonna take. We need to we need to leave New Orleans.

670
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: We need to go somewhere else and and start hitting

671
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: the pavement there and sing there and get our name

672
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: out there. And and that's just really what it really is.

673
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: You know, um Uh. As an actor, you're you're you're

674
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: stationed different places, you know, and that's a beautiful thing

675
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: because you you, if you have the time, you get

676
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: an opportunity to if you can um sink your teeth

677
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: into the city that you're in and and and there

678
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: you can feel the pulse of what that city has

679
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: and and like living in New York that hustle and bustle.

680
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: I mean that that feeling, that that feeling you must

681
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: all all of it and the attitude. Now something may

682
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: take it negative, but I I tell it as a positive.

683
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: People don't have time, you know people really you have

684
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: to respect people's time and that and and and they

685
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: cherish their time, and so that's why they get going.

686
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: That's why it feels like, you know, as soon as

687
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: you wake up at nine, you know, nine am, you blink,

688
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: it's nine pm, and you know, it feels like you know,

689
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: so it's so it's it's it's interesting. You know, you

690
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: go to New York Midtown at two o'clock in the more,

691
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: it feels like a five o'clock in the regular city. Yes,

692
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: And that's the crazy part about New York City. And

693
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: I always tell people that, you know the reason I

694
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: bring up those different locations, Each one of those cities

695
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: are different. Yes, and you walk away with these of

696
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: what that is that atmosphere. I think it makes you

697
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: a much more rounded person. It does. I think so too.

698
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: I think traveling is absolutely it's imperative to any person.

699
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: I think I think we you you have to at

700
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: some point in your life you have to have. I

701
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: hope you you're able to You're blessed to have a

702
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: nomad uh period in your life where you just live

703
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of different places. I mean, because I think

704
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: it's just really important to to to know about the world.

705
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: You know. You know, it's really funny just watching you talk.

706
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: Listen to your talk. I feel like I'm talking to

707
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: a poet, a poet, and it's really cool. And I'm

708
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: talking to Luke James, two time Grammar nominated artists, you know,

709
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: And I would tell you what I'll really tell you

710
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: why I love talking to you because see what I

711
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: left IBM to do stand up comedy. One thing I

712
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: always want to do was have multi levels of income.

713
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: And that what you see, I like, that's what you're doing.

714
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: She's really rough in this business, man, because they could

715
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: be more setbacks and games, and the setbacks are what

716
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: turned people around. They turn them around. Absolutely. We look

717
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: at this business. There's a lot of people who have gifts.

718
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: Is a lot of people have that passion. But those setbacks, man,

719
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: can stop you because because you really don't have anybody

720
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: to turn to. I always tell people, you know, you

721
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 1: can talk to somebody who's a secretary talked about throwing

722
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: male because they have people it's relatable to the normal person.

723
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: But you're talking, you're telling somebody the team I'm going

724
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: to l a. All they think about is all the

725
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: other stars, Denzel Samuel Hell yeah, people because they can't

726
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 1: think of Luke Jane. How you gonna make it? Do? Who?

727
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: You know who? Yeah, you have to really believe in yourself.

728
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: You have to. It's it's I mean, you have to

729
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: be out of your mind in a sense of a

730
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: sense of in a sense of your belief right and

731
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: your passion, your passion, and it truly has to be yours.

732
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: It can't be no one else's because I think that's

733
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: where you know people people say, well, how do you say?

734
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: Because everybody kind of, like you know, thinks they're supposed to,

735
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: but not everybody is really living their truth. I think

736
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: not everybody's walking in their particular stuff. They're seeing someone

737
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: else's influence that you as someone else's influences is making

738
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: them do something maybe that isn't completely right for them,

739
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: And there's a hole at the end of that tunnel.

740
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: There is some sort of place where they'll they'll realize

741
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: that this isn't for them, and and that's sometimes the

742
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: downfalls and that, but that's why you have to really

743
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: really find that and know for sure that this is

744
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: what you want to do, and then go for blow

745
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: right right now? You know the really cool part about

746
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: listening to you because at that age I experienced it

747
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: at my age, you know, because I left on the

748
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: role you did an eighteen and twenty six, I decided

749
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: to make a decision that I'm tired of IBM. I

750
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: looked around, you know, I got enough you know, showtime

751
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: and made me the funniest comic contextures three years in

752
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: a row. I figured that was enough going out there

753
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: and tested. I had enough credits to walk in papers,

754
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: to get out there and see if I could do this.

755
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: But even when you get out there, you still alone.

756
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: Did you did you go to l A by yourself? Well?

757
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: I went to l A with with two of my

758
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: two of my bros that I went to high school with.

759
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: We were we were in a group, a trio um

760
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: and then and then you know, somewhat some some parts

761
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: of the business weren't understood, and and and some issues,

762
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: you know, family issues, and when NOTOT came about and

763
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: then we kind of fell apart group. Um, I had

764
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: to make a decision. I had to make a decision

765
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: whether to stick around with with my my two brothers

766
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: who decided to leave l A. UM decided that they

767
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: were going to leave l A or stay in l

768
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: A and Finn for myself. And that's the key word

769
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: right there, Finn for yourself. That's that's that's the that's

770
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: the one, that's why they left. Yeah, because I'm gonna

771
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: tell you something, Man, a lot of people want to

772
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: be stars, a lot of people want to dream of

773
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: the pot at the end of the wrong bo But

774
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: it's a lot of loneliness there is, and it's a

775
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: lot of self doubt. You have to you know, if

776
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: you have faith, you have to. It's so much, man,

777
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: it's so much. There's so much, you know, I mean,

778
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: you know, let's speed up to the last five years.

779
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: I say, for me have been one of the hardest,

780
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: one of the hardest times for me. Just um, just

781
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: finding myself, finding what I love, UM, finding out my truth,

782
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: just in general and career. Is this music? Is this

783
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: what I want to do? Continue to do? Is is

784
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: this what I'm supposed to do? Um? Also, is this

785
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: all I have, you know, and and and around that

786
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 1: time is very really scary, and and and then also

787
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: just personal life that love and and wanting to be

788
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: in love and trying to have a life, and and

789
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: my putting every thing inside of this song in front

790
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: of me, right in front of you know, because I

791
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: am I point in my career ahead of living life

792
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: and stuff, and am I missing out on things? You know?

793
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: And and you know it was it was it was

794
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, going through a not feeling like

795
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: I was being appreciated at a label, you know, trying

796
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: to I mean, getting all of these all of these opportunities,

797
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: but not not fully being able to capitalize on, yeah,

798
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: maximize them because I didn't completely have the artistic freedom

799
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: that I needed, that that I needed in order to

800
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: capitalize on so many of the things that were coming

801
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: to me, like film. So you went five years, I'm

802
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: going another five years. Okay, cool? Today, you know, I'm

803
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm in my staff. You know, we do a meeting

804
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: all right and now, and I always say, find out

805
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: what guests are gonna come on the show? Interesting, come

806
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: on the show. And I got staff and Jersey and

807
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: Richmond and conference call and go I go then Luke

808
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: James name, Come on, did I hear the chocolate drop?

809
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't play with I don't. I couldn't

810
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: even get pasts. You know what did he do? What

811
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: did he got out? No? No, no, no, no, chocolate job.

812
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: It's gonna be on the show. He's gonna be on

813
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: the show. So so so so that means some good

814
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: times happening out there when you carry on Monica with

815
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: the ladies chocolate yes, yes, no, truly no, I honestly,

816
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: to be fair, it never it wasn't the thought in

817
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: my mind. Men. The ladies make the choice, they decide

818
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: what it is. I just throw my hands up and say, yes,

819
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: I'll be that for you. That's how you get a soul,

820
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: That's how you get that's night at the masquerade. Yeah,

821
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: just me, I'm man, I'm truly grateful, truly grateful. This

822
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: is Jay Yeah, this is this is this is all

823
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: is born done, eighteen years old. I'm gonna follow my dream. Yeah,

824
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: I got to drop her actor, man, I mean whole

825
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: are you making me think of these things? Like? I'm

826
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: just grateful. Man. This it's a journey, man, you know,

827
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 1: it's a journey. What I try to do with money

828
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: making conversations. I've been blessed because I know you. I

829
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: know you from the highs and the lows, and there's

830
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: some levels you're gonna get that I've experienced, you know,

831
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: private jets, just walking in red carpets, multi too, and

832
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: things like that, because I want you to experience that,

833
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: because you're gonna pay it forward because you year way

834
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: I talk, you know, because my legacy is sharing my

835
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: experiences with younger with the younger generation, let him know

836
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 1: it's possible. Absolutely, But what happened to me, I started

837
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: believing myself later in the game. I'm asking you to

838
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: believe in yourself now that the opportunity to gives follow

839
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: lead with him because those sad moments can't win and

840
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: what cannot beat you is you. And that's all I'm

841
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: saying in this interview because we got a lot to

842
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: talk about, because we're gonna get into that area. But

843
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: the journey is important for my listeners to here that

844
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: you're a special young man and you could have all

845
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: these credits, and then what do you do with those credits?

846
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: How do you build? How do you how you turn

847
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: opportunity into momentum? And this is what this conversation, this

848
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Speaker 1: And you are you, You share your your youthful, your

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Speaker 1: your path, you know why? You know, I knew early on.

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Speaker 1: four more years? I don't know if I could do

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Speaker 1: another four after that, and then another four after that,

895
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Speaker 1: depending on what it is I want to do. And

896
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Speaker 1: you know, I realized, Man, I'm a I'm an artist.

897
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: I knew I was an artist, and I knew that

898
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Speaker 1: I needed to live life, and I knew life for

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Speaker 1: me wasn't happening inside of inside of the classroom. I

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00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 1: particular mind thoughts, you know, and that way I would

904
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Speaker 1: have been more susceptible to um the actual lessons. And

905
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,239
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906
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Speaker 1: You know. You know, the thing about it is that

909
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Speaker 1: because your your age group get criticized or being visionaries

910
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Speaker 1: for being not parent I follow in the traditional path.

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Speaker 1: You know, my age group. You know, you're supposed to

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Speaker 1: go to college, get a good job. You know, then

913
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Speaker 1: you raise your family, get a retire, But all that

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Speaker 1: starts being shattered under your under your group. Yeah, pensions

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Speaker 1: and for one kis and jobs that never laid your

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Speaker 1: off and never fired you started firing you, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: company started getting swallowed up. So you were educated there

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Speaker 1: if there's no trust here, who did I trust but

919
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Speaker 1: myself but myself for myself. I put it all of

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Speaker 1: them on myself. I knew earlier on my mom. Knew

921
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Speaker 1: my mom my mom My mom was always on on

922
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Speaker 1: me about like this is your dream, this is your dream.

923
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Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, when you have

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Speaker 1: your kids, you have your wife, they're gonna look at you.

925
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Speaker 1: Why why you don't have this and that? Okay, now

926
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Speaker 1: we're gonna look at this this new CD. Yes you know, okay,

927
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Speaker 1: the title yes, because this has a love slash D Yes. Okay,

928
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Speaker 1: so it's two titles. Yes, I thought to feel love,

929
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Speaker 1: to feel loved. That's right, that's find that those are

930
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: two different things. You know, you can you can feel love,

931
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Speaker 1: you can feel loved and not feel loved, or you

932
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: can feel loved and not feel loved, you know, in

933
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Speaker 1: a sense of being able to reciprocate it, being in

934
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Speaker 1: a in a sense of you know, um, you know

935
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: it's around you, but you don't particularly feel it, and

936
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Speaker 1: that's you know, that's something that may not be something

937
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Speaker 1: you're about your surroundings, or it could be. But it's

938
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Speaker 1: also it's it's all either way it is. It's a

939
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Speaker 1: it's a you have to reflect on yourself, you have

940
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Speaker 1: to look into yourself and find out what those issues are.

941
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: And creating this album, that really was what it was

942
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: about for me. I just was in that place of

943
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: of not really feeling love or loved. And I definitely

944
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Speaker 1: had love, have love around me and have always had

945
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Speaker 1: love around me, but it's just I guess a numbing

946
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Speaker 1: that I was getting being in part of it, being

947
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Speaker 1: in the business and having and my life and you know,

948
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: they say, you know it's business and not personal, but

949
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: as an artist, everything is personal, you know. So because

950
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: we're we're all emotional people, yes, you know, it's really

951
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: it's really interesting when people, you know, when people look

952
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: at when I was a comedian or your your young

953
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: artists from a singing perspective, people look at you and

954
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Speaker 1: they go, you should be always happy. You should be

955
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Speaker 1: somewhere writing the song. I should be happy, you know, dude.

956
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: I see life differently. I see I see I see

957
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Speaker 1: probably more trouble than you see. I feel everything people don't.

958
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Speaker 1: People really don't understand. I feel like my I feel everything.

959
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: I feel hurt, I can I can feel joy. But

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00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot going on, and especially when

961
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: you when you're in the business, it can be it

962
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: can be tough when you're trying to really believe in yourself,

963
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: push yourself through something, and you find yourself in a box.

964
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Speaker 1: And I think this, this album is a bridge, right,

965
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Speaker 1: This is a bridge from that place to where I'm going, UM,

966
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Speaker 1: which is uh, which is way more, way more sweeter

967
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Speaker 1: and and and freeing because this is this is my

968
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Speaker 1: new endeavor, my first UH record as an independent artist,

969
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Speaker 1: you know, UM, A fearless move. Absolutely. I feel truly free.

970
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm in a new I don't I have a

971
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: new life, you know, new career path that that has expanded.

972
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Speaker 1: I've always prayed that that my uh, that I can

973
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Speaker 1: expand my that God allowed me to expand my territory.

974
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Speaker 1: And I didn't think it'd be like this, but I'm

975
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: grateful it is. Well, this is you know. I look

976
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: at your your a great smile and uh, and and

977
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 1: your your passion, and you're very honest. You know about

978
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: your pain. Because I think that if you, if you

979
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: tell the truth, then you have no reason a lie.

980
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: And I think that if if my story pushes you away,

981
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: then I needed to do. I want you to tell

982
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: my story a lot. You needed to hear it. You

983
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: need to hear it. And so so when we look

984
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: at the album, tell me talk about some of the

985
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: songs on the album. Why you approach the music that way?

986
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: Because you distinctively told that there's two titles here, so

987
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: there's two different tones that will be thrown out. How

988
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: many how many cuts on this nine cuts? Nine nine cuts? Um,

989
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: you know one of them one of them one of

990
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: the songs. Uh. And it's it's more of it what

991
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: you call it interlude? For me, if I'm looking at

992
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: looking at it like a play, then it's a it's

993
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: an intermission um. And this, this this intermission is called gratitude.

994
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: And it came about um in a in a moment,

995
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: a real honest moment where I needed to remind myself

996
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: how grateful, how blessed I am right right right, you know, Um.

997
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: You know, we all get in our heads and we

998
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: all think everything seems seems like everything is wrong and

999
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: not right. And at some point, you know, and and

1000
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: and a lot of times in those moments, you gotta

1001
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: you gotta take a breather. Everything is totally find that

1002
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: that Champagne problems, that is really nothing to really allow

1003
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: the rest of the day to go bad. So in

1004
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: that moment, I happened to be in the booth in

1005
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: the studio feeling that way. And yeah, I asked the

1006
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: asked the engineer to give me a blank slate. Man,

1007
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: I just need I just need to yell right now.

1008
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: And I just started screaming, I am blessed, blessed, blessed,

1009
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: I am blessed, blessed, blessed, And and that became I

1010
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, this is affirmation, this is something I need.

1011
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: This anthem an anthem, and it's for me again. This

1012
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: this album is very personal, these songs so from that

1013
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: song that that's a that was a moment that I

1014
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: felt like I needed and I needed to constantly hear that,

1015
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: and why not make a song about it? And then wow,

1016
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: I think other people would need the same thing. Uh,

1017
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: moving on to another song called Traveling, where I travel

1018
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: a lot. My life is like on the road all

1019
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 1: the time, and I'm always in a hotel, a new

1020
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: hotel all the time. I wish I've kept the keys

1021
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: from each hotel. Isn't the worst when you wake up

1022
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: and you go, yes, that's that's hard. I'm always I'm

1023
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: way wait, wait, wait where again? What? I don't even

1024
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: ask about the time. I don't even know. I don't

1025
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: know what the time table is here. I'm just here,

1026
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: you know. And so that I created a song called

1027
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: Traveling because I just thought, you know, I spent a

1028
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: lot of my times in the hotel, and when you

1029
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: don't know where else to go for me, my imagination

1030
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: runs wild, and I wanted to write something that was

1031
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: very cerebral and kind of spoke to that that essence

1032
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: of just um going on a voyage mentally thinking, putting

1033
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: yourself where you want to be, thinking, thinking, thinking it first,

1034
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: and then somehow you appear there, which I think that's

1035
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: a manifestation. I think that's the power of that. I think,

1036
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: I think that's you have to work on that and

1037
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: constantly build that your your maniffesto Uphow Masquerade. It's a tour.

1038
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: It is a tour, it's a promo tour. This is

1039
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 1: this is a small intimate settings so I can get

1040
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: reconnected with my my day ones and my new fans,

1041
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: and and also this is new music and I want

1042
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: to I wanna, I want to perform and work on

1043
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: these records in front of people, but in the smallest setting.

1044
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: We'll get bigger, we'll get larger, but right now, I

1045
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: just want to touch the people. When I had Padda

1046
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: Bell on the album came out a year and a

1047
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: half ago, she wanted to do a small tool yeah,

1048
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: because she wanted to touch the people, you know, intimate,

1049
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: because you it's really interesting, man, because you know, I've

1050
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: been in Madison Square Garden, you know the eighteen thousand people.

1051
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: I've been in the Philips Arena fifteen people, and so

1052
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: I know what you you can just because I'm they

1053
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: laughing way back up there up there. I can remember

1054
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: I started in the club. Yeah, yeah, which is way

1055
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: more challenging, which you can see the eyeballs all the

1056
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: way to the back. Yeah. Yeah. And so when they're

1057
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: nodding their head, you can see all them no on

1058
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: their heads, you know, is it work right? And that's

1059
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful feeling. And so so I can understand

1060
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: why you're doing this type of tool because you have

1061
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: the right to do that. You have the right to

1062
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: test yourself. You have the right to span what's inside you,

1063
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: what you feel is right. And a lot of people,

1064
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: let's go for the bigger opportunity. Let's go for this. No, no,

1065
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: i'ma tell you man, you could when you're gonna fall back,

1066
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: we all fall back. But you gotta know how to

1067
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: get up. You have to this right here giving you

1068
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: the tools off how to stay up right. That's right,

1069
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: stay stay up. Now. I'll be remiss if I don't

1070
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: talk about the shot. Okay, okay, Chicago, let's get into it. Okay. Now,

1071
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: the character you're playing, the little kid with the with

1072
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: the with the dreads, I play his older brother. Now,

1073
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: I'm gona tell you something. That look kid, which I

1074
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: love because he runs with the little young kid kid

1075
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: and uh and uh when you pull out that gun man.

1076
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: I was always I've always been worried about that. If

1077
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: you have not seen this shot, Luke James, You're coming

1078
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: on this season as the older brother, and uh the story.

1079
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: Uh really, I really cater to these three boards because

1080
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm always afraid for them, because if you know anything

1081
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: about Chicago, Chicago in the summertime, it's like, dude, it's like, uh,

1082
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: dead man walking for young black youth, especially around fourth

1083
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: of July the holidays for some reason. And I know that,

1084
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: And so when I look at this show, I see

1085
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: this innocence and then I see then I see what

1086
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: could possibly go wrong for the innocence. Then, so to me,

1087
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: this character is perfect for you playing the older brother, absolutely,

1088
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: because You've got a younger brother who thinks he knows

1089
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think he thinks he knows everything. And

1090
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm the brother that has been through it already. Absolutely,

1091
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: I've seen it already. I've been I've been to the

1092
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: dark side, I've been near death, and I don't want

1093
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: that for him, right, and so I come in. I

1094
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: come in by any means necessary to get my little

1095
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: brother out of to save him from this. That's amazing,

1096
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, you know where he's at the Yeah, you know,

1097
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: if he's if he's willing to pack a gun. Yeah, yeah,

1098
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: he's a man and his eye right, And so your

1099
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: advice that you can give it. I'm just telling you

1100
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: we don't have to look at the episode. If you're

1101
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: if you're a fan of the show, I know what

1102
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: you're walking into. Yeah you know, Yeah, where were you at?

1103
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: That's the number more statement just coming out of his mouth. Yeah,

1104
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: where were you at? That? That was that? I mean,

1105
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: it was a fight. It's a fight. It's it's definitely

1106
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: a fight. Because my character is the type of character

1107
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: is just his way, you know, he I mean, they

1108
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: have similar mentalities, they have very similar mentalities. My way

1109
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: is the only way, you know. And and luckily my

1110
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: character has a as a um has has has a

1111
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: love that that is very supportive to him, but also

1112
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: keep him to remind him of his younger self and

1113
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: know and and to remind him that you can't just

1114
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: approach your little brother the way you think as your

1115
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: little brother, you must have you must approach him as

1116
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: another man. You know. It's really interesting cause I have

1117
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: six sisters and two brothers, and one of my younger brothers.

1118
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how much how much he depended on

1119
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: my guy. In some ways, I may have failed them,

1120
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: you know. I have to say that honestly, because I

1121
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: just I do. I was trying to live, I was

1122
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: trying to grow up. I wish I were trying to

1123
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: find out how to man, you know, And so that's

1124
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: why this character I'm really interested in watching them and

1125
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: seeing you in person here. I'm really interested because you

1126
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: have some nice and tangible as a human being, and

1127
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna bring that to that role. You know.

1128
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: It's because when I say that, there's an innocence and

1129
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: there's also a pain because of the fact that you

1130
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: made mistakes because you're trying to find yourself. People got

1131
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,959
Speaker 1: just used the wrong way. Now this kid is coming

1132
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: along with this kid and your younger brother going you

1133
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: weren't there because watch you to listen to you. Okay,

1134
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 1: what can you do to make my life better? That's

1135
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: a challenge, man, that's like a foot in the face. Really,

1136
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: I mean truly, I mean, this is what you see

1137
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: is you. It's it's the hard truth. It's really true.

1138
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: It's really true, hard hard truth. Because I mean a

1139
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of men we go, we go

1140
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: through that, and we we have to. It's I find

1141
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: that it's a good opportunity for to be able to

1142
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: show someone reaching back, someone having that that experience and

1143
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: trying their hardest to not stay stay in that experience,

1144
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: and to pull someone out of it, you know, not

1145
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: just it, but you know, because he it feels like

1146
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: he's just about his brother, but he cares about his

1147
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: brother's friends because his brother cares about it his friends.

1148
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: So wherever his friends go, you know, his little brother

1149
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: will go. So I need to care about his his

1150
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: friends too, to make sure they're out of trouble and

1151
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: understand what's what's at stake, and not to play these games.

1152
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: But it's so yeah, No, I'm really I'm really grateful

1153
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: to be able to play this particular role in his character. Um,

1154
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: because I've grown up around people like this and people

1155
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: who have been through these things, and and and because

1156
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: in some ways or community every soul food there's a

1157
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: big Chicago as well as in New Orleans, you know, community,

1158
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: the hood, yes, the stand in it, yes, and being

1159
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: proud of government influence right right right, you know. So

1160
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,919
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, Man, I'm excited about about seeing

1161
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: you on this role this year. You know, I'm just

1162
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: gonna I'm just gonna close and say this. You know,

1163
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: intros are what they are. They talked about, they talk

1164
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: about what you accomplish. But as we as we walk

1165
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,439
Speaker 1: through this interview, you see what you are accomplishing now,

1166
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: and so see that's the merger, that's that's the value

1167
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: of success. You know, you know, we gotta mention what

1168
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: you did, but you always want to talk about what

1169
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: you're doing. You're doing and so without tool, that's okay,

1170
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: you're doing the shot. You gotta ce d there and

1171
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: you're chocolate drop. I mean, what is that a complaint

1172
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: about life? It is so good? Oh? Two times Grammar nominated.

1173
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: Luke James at ADP, we understand the importance of building

1174
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: the right team and offer the data insights to help.

1175
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: Just as importantly, our AI technology helps you pay the

1176
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: team accurately, grow stronger with a dp HR talent, time

1177
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: and payroll. Look for your children's eyes to see the

1178
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: true magic of a forest. It's a storybook world for them.

1179
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: You look and see a tree, they see the wrinkled

1180
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: face of a wizard with arms outstretched to the sky.

1181
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: They see treasure and pebbles, they see a windy path

1182
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: that could lead to adventure, and they see you. They're fearless. Guide.

1183
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: Is this fascinating world? Find a forest near you and

1184
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: start exploring it. Discover the Forest dot org brought to

1185
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: you by the United States Forest Service and the AD Council.

1186
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: What grows in the forest trees, Sure no one else

1187
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: grows in the forest. Our imagination, our sense of wonder,

1188
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: and our family bonds grow too, because when we disconnect

1189
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: from this and connect with this, we reconnect with each other.

1190
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: The forest is closer than you think. Find a forest

1191
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: near you and start exploring. I Discover the Forest dot

1192
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: org brought to you by the United States Forest Service

1193
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: and the AD Council. My next guest is the Associate

1194
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: Professor of Sports Management and Associate Deemed for Diversity and

1195
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: Inclusion in the College of Education and Human Development at

1196
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: Texas A and M. Again Texas A and M Central University, Houston.

1197
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: So you know I know by that that that Texas

1198
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: A and M experience. The College of Education and Human

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01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: Development at Texas A and M has a mission of

1200
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: enriching and transforming lives through education and health and developing

1201
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: leaders and professionals and education, sports, business, healthcare, and related

1202
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: fields and industries. He's on the show today discussed his

1203
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: new book, Race Sports and Education, Improving Opportunities and Outcomes

1204
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: of Blackmail college Athletes. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations,

1205
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: Dr John Singer, Thank you for having me. I really

1206
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: appreciate this opportunity to having this conversation. Well, I'll tell

1207
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: you I have to reading the book I are. You know,

1208
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: because you know Dr Harry Everett's in the book. We

1209
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: were talking to a referencing the book I'm saying is

1210
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: the book called Race Sports and Education. He this book

1211
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: is about black mail caused athletes, and he suggested that

1212
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: you should include the female experience of the black female

1213
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: college athlete. And your reasoning for just going male was why? Well,

1214
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: I think for me, being that this was my first

1215
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: foray into an authored book, it was personal for me.

1216
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: I mean as a black male myself who had hoop

1217
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: dreams and aspirations as a little boy growing up in

1218
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: Betton Harbor, Michigan, and as someone who has worked more

1219
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: closely with this particular population into my college years and

1220
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: graduate studies and now as a faculty member, it was

1221
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: just important for me to write about what I and

1222
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: when I was most passionate about at this moment in

1223
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: my career. So that's kind of why I went against

1224
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: the stage wisdom and advice of Dr Edwards and for

1225
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,439
Speaker 1: this particular project, I had this stick with what what

1226
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: was my passion? But you know, you you, you know

1227
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: he is the like, let's say, the the the Messiah

1228
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: of this particular field of study. You know, when you

1229
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: think about him at the forefront of politics and and

1230
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: black studies, and especially from an athletic standpoint, and whenever

1231
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: you look at the espn is, you would always they

1232
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: would always hunt him down. What does what does Dr

1233
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: Harry Ewarts has to say? What is he speaking about?

1234
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 1: And when you look at the footage of him from

1235
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: the sixties, he looks the same. He's just as grey

1236
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: in his in his mustache and his goatee, but he's

1237
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,919
Speaker 1: still brilliant. What what when we're gonna get to your book,

1238
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: But a person like that, what impact does he have

1239
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: on a person like you? Yeah? So I remember seeing

1240
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: him like an interview clip when I was an undergrad

1241
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: at Michigan State, and I just found myself fascinated with him.

1242
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: I was like man. He comes out of that tradition

1243
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: of the civil rights movement, Malcolm X's and you know,

1244
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: the Black Canthers, but he tied his activism to the

1245
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,440
Speaker 1: context of sport, which really kind of got my attention

1246
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: as a young you know, in my late teens, early twenties,

1247
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: going through undergrad and so it's amazing that, you know,

1248
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: twenty plus years later, not only am I interacting with him,

1249
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: but he's endorsing my books. So he certainly planning a

1250
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: seed in me. I would say that has started to

1251
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: germinate at this moment in my my journey. Now this book.

1252
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 1: Who are you trying to reach with this book as

1253
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: far as readers are concerned, Right, So there's a couple

1254
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: of different audiences. Um first and foremost the athletes themselves,

1255
01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: and this can include athletes behind and just black males.

1256
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: Because I think there's a message in this book if

1257
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: you really pay attention to the nuances and the narratives

1258
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: of the black mails that I do feature in the book,

1259
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: there's something in there. I think for all athletes who

1260
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: are traveling, you know, from high school into college sports.

1261
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: But more specifically, I really want to reach the decision

1262
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: makers those individuals who are setting policies at the nt

1263
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: double A and member institution level, those who are the

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Speaker 1: practitioners working more directly day to day with these athletes,

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Speaker 1: whether it's academic support for athletics or faculty on these

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Speaker 1: university campuses. So I'm really looking to read and for

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Speaker 1: that matter, people in secondary educations who are responsible for

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Speaker 1: preparing these athletes for higher education, so that those are

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Speaker 1: my my primary audiences. UM and then of course to

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Speaker 1: lay audience people who are just interested in in the

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Speaker 1: topic and sport and and educate. Shan will also find

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Speaker 1: I think some value in this book. Well, they're what

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Speaker 1: I call industry decision makers influencers. People can shape the

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Speaker 1: way uh people think, the decisions they can make about

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Speaker 1: their future or how they're living currently. And so the

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Speaker 1: book I found fascinating reading, especially We're gonna we don't

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Speaker 1: get the chapters two and three in a minute, but

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Black Barbershop. You know,

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Speaker 1: I did a show on MTV called The Barbershop, and

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Speaker 1: it was about entertainment. And one of the things about

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Speaker 1: the Black Barbershop is that you know you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: your share of sports, You're gonna get your share of politics,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna get your share of entertainment. What was

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Speaker 1: your take on the Black Barbershop because just the fun part,

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Speaker 1: you know, of our conversation, and I enjoyed the reading

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Speaker 1: of the book, But when you when you get into

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Speaker 1: that barbershop, it's a different space there, man oh man.

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Speaker 1: You know, and my good friend and brother, Richard Milner

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Speaker 1: actually wrote the series forward for the book and Eve

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Speaker 1: he talked about the black barbershop and the beauty shop,

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Speaker 1: and have his observations in that space really speak to

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of theorizing. I know, we

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Speaker 1: as academics of scholars, we you know, we pride ourselves

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Speaker 1: and you know, engaging with theory to make sense of

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Speaker 1: the world. But in the black barbershop, that's exactly what

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Speaker 1: you get. It's not in the formal sense, but certainly

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Speaker 1: you have people with keen insights into these issues. So

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Speaker 1: the black barbershop, even my current barber, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I know something about sport, you know, and and the

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Speaker 1: patrons sitting around waiting for their hair because you started

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Speaker 1: talking about sport, boy, you see a different type of sight,

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Speaker 1: endity and whatnot in that space. So absolutely, and I

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Speaker 1: was glad that that brother rich Dr Brother Richard Milner

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Speaker 1: used that metaphor to introduce my book in his in

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Speaker 1: his Race and Education series for Hybard Education Press. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's really funny, you know, because the movie

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Speaker 1: that the Ice Q made and of course centric the

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Speaker 1: Entertained and started the very first barbershop was the closest

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Speaker 1: version of the very first one. All all those are good,

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Speaker 1: but the very first one is the closest version of

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Speaker 1: walking into a typical black barbershop, you know, opinionated. You

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Speaker 1: always got somebody who's bigger than life in there, and

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Speaker 1: you always have people who sit around and putting information.

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Speaker 1: You have young generations because people women were bringing their

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Speaker 1: young kids or the fathers are bringing their kids for

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Speaker 1: their first haircuts. And you have older generation people sitting

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Speaker 1: in there. And so it allows you to think about

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Speaker 1: so many different layers of experiences that you can get

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Speaker 1: just by walking in there. And it's all tied to sports,

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Speaker 1: and sports is such a it crosses racial lines, but

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Speaker 1: it is racial, you know, whether it's the black quarterback

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Speaker 1: situation of the you know, I was watching ESPN last night.

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Speaker 1: They did this special call the Year the Black quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you talk about Russell Wilson, you're talking

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Speaker 1: about Patrick Mahomes, you're talking about Lamar Jackson, who who's

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Speaker 1: unanimous m v P. And there was a guy who

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Speaker 1: was the fifth quarter back drafted in the year he

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Speaker 1: was drafted, and so because people thought he should be

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Speaker 1: actually trying out for to be a ride receiver and

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Speaker 1: not be trying to try not to be a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, these these individuals who are changing

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Speaker 1: the game, how does that affect your book? Yeah, that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: One of the it was in chapter two the case

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Speaker 1: study I did, one of the athletes featured in that

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Speaker 1: case study talked about that, how you know, even as

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Speaker 1: college coach, when they were bringing a white quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the black quarterback model, that black quarterback with the label

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Speaker 1: of athletes. You know, when clearly from the perspective of

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Speaker 1: this young man that I featured in chapter two, he

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Speaker 1: was the best quarterback and best athlete on the team,

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Speaker 1: and he didn't understand why coaches want to limit his

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Speaker 1: access to that quarterback leadership decision making positions. So certainly,

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Speaker 1: the athletes that I've engaged within my research recognized the

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Speaker 1: very point that you're making well. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: that a book like yours has to be written, and

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Speaker 1: it has to be you know, we can't all have

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Speaker 1: we have to have factual information about what's just really

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Speaker 1: going on out there. And uh, when I was reading

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Speaker 1: your book, and like I said, you you you you

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Speaker 1: follow three characters because you didn't really give details on

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Speaker 1: exactly who they were, exactly what college they played on,

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01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: exactly what protein they played on. But you shared their

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01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 1: position in college, you share their position when they left college.

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Speaker 1: And the three characters played a major role in how

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Speaker 1: each transition away from the sport based on how the

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01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 1: sport treated them and and and it's really important that

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Speaker 1: people understand that sports is such a you know, everybody

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Speaker 1: wants to be the next you know, Russell Wilson or

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Speaker 1: the next you know, Jared Rice or the next. But

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Speaker 1: then you have this this this collegiate force or this

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Speaker 1: college force out there. And you said the h w

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Speaker 1: c U, and I really versus the HBCU because those

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Speaker 1: are two options out there, but they are perceived options

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Speaker 1: for success. When I say h w c U, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about historical white college and universities, and you have

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Speaker 1: HBCU historia historical Black college and university. Explain those dynamics

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Speaker 1: for us my listeners. Yeah. So, I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: really think about prior to the late nineteen sixties and

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Speaker 1: early nineteen seventies, that's where the black talent really emerged.

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Speaker 1: You talking about Jerry Rice, I mean he was He's

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Speaker 1: a product of an HBCU and many of the great

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Speaker 1: prior to the late sixties early seventies, and Harry I

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Speaker 1: was writing about this stuff. When he first began writing

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Speaker 1: about this stuff, all the black talent was there. But

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Speaker 1: once these historically white institutions began to realize there was

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Speaker 1: golden in their hills, as they say, that's when they

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Speaker 1: started cherry picking the best and the brightest. Historian Gerald

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Speaker 1: Eally talked about it was HBO did a documentary in

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Speaker 1: the late nineties called The Journey of African American Athlete.

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Speaker 1: He talked about this mass uh influx of black athletes

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Speaker 1: into these historical institutions in the early seventies, and the

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Speaker 1: real key moment was in nineteen seventy three they talked

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Speaker 1: about in this documentary when Sam Damn Cunningham, that's right,

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Speaker 1: came down to Alabama, Alabama. He went down and just

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01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,759
Speaker 1: ran all over Paul bear Bryant's all white Alabama squad.

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Speaker 1: You had the Alabama fans and the stands at the

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Speaker 1: late Great Eddie Robinson said talking about get us one,

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Speaker 1: get us one, talking about a black athlete, you know,

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Speaker 1: to to the dominating. The next year, Alabama certainly brought

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Speaker 1: in Wilbert Jackson, absolutely, and that just let everybody know

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Speaker 1: about that game. USC dominant West Coast College, University of

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Speaker 1: Southern California and Sam Bam Cunningham. When you give him

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Speaker 1: a Vaux, he'd leap over the line. He wouldn't run

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Speaker 1: through the last, he'd leap over and so so so

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Speaker 1: it was like there was nothing we've ever seen in

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Speaker 1: college football. And the jewel against you know, the vauntede

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Speaker 1: or the legendary you know Bear Bryan team was was

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Speaker 1: was incredible. And also you know the Nebraska team led

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Speaker 1: by Johnny Rogers and uh, those teams changed the way

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Speaker 1: people saw black athletes. And then then when Jimmy Johnson

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Speaker 1: went down to Miami and found that the southern version,

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01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: the southern tip of Florida where all the black athletes

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Speaker 1: that nobody wanted to recruit, that had all the speed.

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Speaker 1: That's really started changing the face. But then they called

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Speaker 1: the athletes that he recruited convicts. M hm. They called

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01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: the athletes that, not that they recruited Catholics and so

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01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 1: so they they named them. So so when I started

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Speaker 1: reading your book, you know, it just started bringing back memories, doctor,

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Speaker 1: you know so so you know you I'm one of

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Speaker 1: those industry decision Makercy. This is impromptu information you've given

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Speaker 1: me that I'm just I'm just expounding. Let's just then

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01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: you know how important that your your book is and

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01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: needs to be be be studied but also served because

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Speaker 1: sociology changed my life. We gonna be back in a

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Speaker 1: minute on our next break, because you got me fired up, Doc,

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Speaker 1: You got me fired up. Man. This book is a

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01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: is a is a great read. I'm talking to about book.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to Dr John Singer his book Improving Opportunities

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Speaker 1: and our Calms for blackmail college Athletes. We'll be road

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Speaker 1: making Conversations. I'm the host ras Sean McDonald. I'm speaking

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01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,719
Speaker 1: to Dr John Singer. He has a book called Race,

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01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: Sports and Education and Improving Opportunities and Our Calms for

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01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 1: black Mail College Athletes. My show is about entertainment. My

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01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 1: show is about entrepreneurship. UM. I feel it's the topics

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01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: that you're talking about. It's about money. It's about how

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Speaker 1: the uh, the institution we call the n C double

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Speaker 1: a uh. Some people call it their money making institutions.

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Speaker 1: Some people have called the a plantation. Some people have

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Speaker 1: called it an environment. But I I feel that, yes,

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Speaker 1: you can say that, but it also impacts white students

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Speaker 1: as well, white student athletes as well. And so but

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the black student athlete. And so you

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Speaker 1: track three different talents in your book. Why did you

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Speaker 1: choose these three individuals and why were they stories so

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01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: unique to your book? Well? Interesting? Right? So that particularly

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Speaker 1: you're talking about chapter two in the book is really

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Speaker 1: is um? That chapter is based on my dissertation work. UM.

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Speaker 1: And one of the reasons I don't you kind of

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01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier in our conversation that I don't get specifically

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Speaker 1: about the institution. That's because of i RB protocol universities

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01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: and where you have to protect the confidentiality of your

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01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 1: research participants. But this research that our feature of these

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01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: three black males one of the reason I chosen in

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01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: particulars because they expressed an interest in the topics. So

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01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 1: I had a connection with one of the brothers who

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01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: was an academic counselor in the athletic department, and he

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01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: told these particular athletes about my, my, my dissertation research,

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01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: and and they were very interested in in in sharing

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01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 1: their story and their voices and helping to create knowledge

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01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: around the topics. So that's kind of why those particular

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Speaker 1: individuals mating into the book, because they were willing participants

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01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: and wanted to share this critical conversation that we had

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Speaker 1: that formed the basis of chapter two. And all three

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Speaker 1: in play football college football, played football, and they were

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Speaker 1: all high levels recruits, you know they were. They were

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Speaker 1: high level blue chip athletes coming out of high school,

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Speaker 1: and they all some point in time had a step

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Speaker 1: in the NFL beyond their their college days. They were

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Speaker 1: that talented um on the field field of play to

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Speaker 1: the point where they all got a shot with varying

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01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: degrees of success at the NFL level. But I love

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Speaker 1: the fact that they all arrived in different ways. One

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Speaker 1: was a free agent, one was drafted in the later rounds,

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Speaker 1: and one was drafted in the early rounds. And we

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Speaker 1: all know that that's a salary tied to that. And

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Speaker 1: two of them became are in the fields of in

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01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 1: the are in the field of acting, and one in

1474
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 1: the field of sales, and so which which which? Which

1475
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: is really interesting because in my I'm running into more

1476
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: and more athletes of the gentleman who want an oscar.

1477
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 1: Matthew Cherry was a former professional football player, and so

1478
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 1: so I'm running into more and more athletes and I

1479
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 1: and I really the reason the reason I'm really excited

1480
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 1: about communicating with you, because I'm really involved in a

1481
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: lot of HBCU activity, trying to really build a branded

1482
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: the awareness of what HBCU bringing to the table not

1483
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: only in athletics but academics, but also your book is

1484
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: about branding and marketing too, because it's about perception. Because

1485
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 1: that when you start, because that's why a lot of

1486
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 1: kids go to UH historical White college university because of

1487
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: the fact that it's perception that I can get drafted

1488
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: or I get a better opportunity to UH, to be

1489
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 1: seen on TV. That's important to these young people today

1490
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 1: as it is in the past. Correct. No, yeah, absolutely,

1491
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 1: And that conversation has come up in mind not only

1492
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,680
Speaker 1: my formal research with black male athletes, but also when

1493
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 1: I was academic advisor and mentor of a summer Bridge program.

1494
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: A lot of them this struggle with the decisions to say, Hey,

1495
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: I want to consider HBCU, but I know where I'm

1496
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 1: at in my career, where we're at in society. It

1497
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: behooves me to go to the historically white college because

1498
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: of the media visibility, the platform, the resources to get

1499
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 1: me to the next level. So I've had many conversations

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01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: with blackmail athletes over the years about that, you know,

1501
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: decision to consider HBCU, but to look at the platform

1502
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: and the resources at these historical at Consor University, even

1503
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 1: though it's been proven that if you do have the talent,

1504
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 1: you know Steve McNair HBCU graduate at quarterback Tennessee Titans, UH,

1505
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: Doug Williams, of course, Gramlin UM, Jared Rice Mississippi Valley State,

1506
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: I believed. And then also recently the Houston Texans drafted

1507
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 1: a young man out of a police South Carolina State officer,

1508
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 1: Tackle uh from our HBCU school. So and then also

1509
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:46,560
Speaker 1: Darre's Leonard last year he was a HBCU grad and

1510
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: major Pro Bowl. So we're starting to see. And also

1511
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: I know that the NFL is now holding a separate

1512
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: HBCU college combine. So so it's a lot of things

1513
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 1: that are happening. Then it calls that shift may not

1514
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,719
Speaker 1: be dramatically, but if if that shift started to happen,

1515
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 1: what would that do in the in the book that

1516
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 1: you've readden, would it would it be? Would it be

1517
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 1: a good thing if that shift started happening towards the

1518
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: hbc you're starting to see more quality talent to attend

1519
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 1: or just as quote, that's that's a very interesting question

1520
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 1: because I talked a little bit about that in the

1521
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 1: conclusion of my book right where that's a consideration that

1522
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: we have to think about. I think about my dear

1523
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 1: sister Jamaal Hill, who is a fellow Michigan State sparknerl

1524
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 1: we were there at the same time. She talks about that,

1525
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: how now is the time for us to seriously consider that.

1526
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I'm this Thursday, February thirteenth, I'm giving a

1527
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 1: talk about my book at prairiew A and m um

1528
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:51,560
Speaker 1: Fred Bonner has what he called the Building on Resilience

1529
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: lecture series and he asked me to come and talk

1530
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 1: about my book and you know implications it has for

1531
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 1: college sport widely speaking. And so I think it's time

1532
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,599
Speaker 1: to have that conversation. And in light of what Harry

1533
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 1: was referred to as the fourth waves of athlete activism,

1534
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 1: where athletes are now many corporations in their own rights,

1535
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, I mean with the social media media platform,

1536
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: these athletes are being more empowered too to control their

1537
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: own you know, brand and destiny. So I think it's

1538
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: a serious conversation that we can't ignore this dismissed as

1539
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 1: I will never be possible because the allure of h

1540
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 1: H W c U S is just too powerful. I

1541
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 1: think that I don't know, the conversation is right and

1542
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: to be had, well, it's right to be had, but

1543
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 1: will it be you know, achieved? And I'm not look out, look,

1544
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to shut down by school, the University

1545
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: of Houston. I'm just trying to let individuals though there

1546
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,600
Speaker 1: are options, and sometimes special people don't look at HBCU

1547
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 1: as an option. And I'm just letting people know that

1548
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 1: if you're talented and you want to be in and

1549
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 1: you do the right things in life and gets what,

1550
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 1: you can participate in the sport, especially in football. Now

1551
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 1: that's not showing up in baseball, that's not showing up

1552
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: in basketball like that, but in football has proven that

1553
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: if you got the talent, they will find you and

1554
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: you can also and that's that's very true. Yeah, And

1555
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. So I referee high school

1556
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 1: and college basketball here in Texas when I'm not doing

1557
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 1: my university work, and one of my fellow co officials

1558
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 1: has a son who is, you know, senior this year

1559
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 1: being recruited and I don't know if he's signed on

1560
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 1: signing day February five, but he told me after his

1561
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: son read my book, he is seriously now considering going

1562
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 1: to an HPC. You have to read my book. I

1563
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 1: mean that really did my heart good when I got

1564
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 1: that text message from him saying that, you know, because

1565
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 1: he's considering, you know, some of the some of the

1566
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 1: major Division one schools here in the state of Texas.

1567
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,799
Speaker 1: But now you know the Texas Southern's and the prairie

1568
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:00,640
Speaker 1: views are in the conversation for this young man and

1569
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 1: his family that that's really good because I don't care

1570
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,600
Speaker 1: who are you at, because let's let's look at the

1571
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: college world is out there. You know, if you if

1572
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: you're in the traditional h uh, historical right colleges, Okay,

1573
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 1: that means that even there that it's you have the

1574
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 1: Power five, the Power five conferences, and then like I

1575
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 1: go to University Houston, it's not a Power of five conference.

1576
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's a lesser conference. So even in that world,

1577
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 1: there's divisions, there's saying you're better, you can you can

1578
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 1: hang out down there, and you have the Division two,

1579
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 1: you have Division one playoff systems, and then you have HBCUs.

1580
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 1: So no matter where you go, they're gonna be opportunities

1581
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 1: for you. And you could be perceived like Terrance ed

1582
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 1: Oliver Oliver when he signed with the University of Houston

1583
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: and he's and they said, why that's not a poalified school.

1584
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 1: He would never make it. Guess what he winded up

1585
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 1: in the number nine picking the draft because his talent

1586
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 1: is still he still gave effort, he still shined. And

1587
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: so I'm just letting everybody know when I read your book,

1588
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 1: that's only what used to applying with me with information,

1589
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: but you also affirming what I believe. If you, if

1590
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: you make the right effort, if you put yourself in

1591
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 1: the right support system, and then don't let people sway

1592
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 1: you with negativity, then you can follow your dreams no

1593
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 1: matter where it leads you. That's what the basis of

1594
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 1: your book is correct, That's right. And these athletes nowadays,

1595
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 1: they want to get on the field or the court.

1596
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: They want to have opportunities to play and and and

1597
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 1: maybe it's a situation where they realized, hey, let me,

1598
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,879
Speaker 1: let me come on home. One of my doctors and

1599
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 1: one of my doctors and I did a study where,

1600
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, we looked at a young man. He was

1601
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 1: a five star recruit coming out of high school who

1602
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 1: started at Alabama but eventually ended up at at Winston

1603
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 1: Salem State University, and we we we framed that we

1604
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 1: didn't We presented at a conference and we framed that

1605
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 1: redefining the conveyor belt, you know, William Roden's turn and

1606
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:00,759
Speaker 1: how these athletes are recruited from their community from early

1607
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 1: age on through you know, high school into college and

1608
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: how this particularly young man redefined the conveyor belt and

1609
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: and looking at his story and talking about how he

1610
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, ended up at home at the end of

1611
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 1: the day when he was in here that space car

1612
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 1: Winston Salem State University, even though there wasn't the accolade

1613
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:23,600
Speaker 1: the past to it that in Alabama provides at the

1614
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 1: end of the day as a man, he found that

1615
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 1: landing spot, that where he finished his career to be,

1616
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, after him going comfortable. So it's pretty comfortable

1617
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 1: and relatable because that's what it's all about, you know,

1618
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:40,719
Speaker 1: in the end, man, if you're trying to pursue your dreams,

1619
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 1: and I say, who I'm speaking to is Dr John

1620
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: Singer Um. His book it's about it's about letting people

1621
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 1: know that as a black athlete, your experience is different

1622
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: and it should be acknowledged. Because you're talking about or

1623
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 1: more college profectors. You talk about tutors, you talk about

1624
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 1: mentors because you know you you're throwing into a world

1625
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 1: that's really not trying to adjust for you. And that's

1626
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: really what can happen to students and so that's all

1627
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying, is that, sure you can be recruited, Sure

1628
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: you can go to the school, but is it is

1629
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: it accepting who you are as a person where you

1630
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 1: know as much smaller environment they can allow you to

1631
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 1: grow as a person, because that's all you want when

1632
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:23,600
Speaker 1: you go to college. You won't grow. You want an

1633
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 1: opportunity to walk away and be a successful person in

1634
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 1: a field that is not athletically driven. And that's what

1635
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 1: the three people that you chose and which I liked

1636
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 1: because you know, one he left he was a free agent.

1637
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 1: You know, he had a family, but he still went

1638
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 1: to l A and guess what, he's a he's working

1639
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: as a successful actor. And then one he was a

1640
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: he's a late round draft pick, but he saved his money,

1641
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 1: played several years in the NFL. And then he doesn't

1642
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 1: have a wife or kid, so but he saved his money.

1643
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:54,480
Speaker 1: So he's out there, but he's not he's not effectively

1644
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 1: pursuing his career, like he won't at the pace that

1645
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:58,680
Speaker 1: he want, but at least he's doing it. And then

1646
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: the other one, it's a salesman. He's out there using

1647
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 1: this academic training, using this the things that he learned

1648
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 1: by going to the school and allowing him to live

1649
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 1: a successful life. But that's all you want from a college.

1650
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 1: From college education, that's all the opportunity you want. College

1651
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 1: college owe you anything. Dr Well, you know, one of

1652
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 1: the things that I talked about this in the book,

1653
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 1: Area was saying is that at the end of the day,

1654
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 1: education is an activists pursuit, right, And if you don't

1655
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 1: as an individual, even though there's issues that we can

1656
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 1: talk about with the system and the structure, if you know,

1657
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 1: as an individual, don't prioritize that, that's on you. So

1658
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: I think, you know, that's one of the messages I

1659
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 1: do want people to take from the book as well

1660
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 1: that I'm very as Herod was said in his endorsement book,

1661
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 1: I'm very hard on the system and my critique of it,

1662
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 1: but I'm also uh cognizant of the fact that the

1663
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 1: individual has to step up and make it their education

1664
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 1: a priority and or activists pursue. So in other words,

1665
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 1: what you're saying is, if somebody gives you an opportunity,

1666
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 1: take advantage of it. Because the three people that volunteered

1667
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 1: to be a part of your research, they use their

1668
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: athleticism to be educated, and I feel they're living good

1669
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: lives because they were able to go to college. But

1670
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 1: the the athleticism wasn't the end all. It was just

1671
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:23,600
Speaker 1: a state to a better life. And that's what that

1672
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: was my biggest takeaway from your book. In the book

1673
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking about is race, sports and education improving opportunities,

1674
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 1: which what college education can do an outcome for blackmail

1675
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 1: college athletes. My man, Dr John Singer, I'm a fan.

1676
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 1: Please tell everybody how they can locate your book. Do

1677
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 1: you have a website your social media information? Oh? Yeah,

1678
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,959
Speaker 1: Well the best way probably is just to go directly

1679
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 1: to either Harvard Education Press website or either Amazon. That's

1680
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: that's really the popular way to get the book. Um

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01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:01,000
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Speaker 1: again Mind Body Spirit Transformation. He is a celebrity fitness

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Speaker 1: trainer or Dame minister, former ballet dancer, welldness expert, motivational speaker, founder,

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Speaker 1: owner of Braced Life Studios, and founder of the Twenty

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Speaker 1: Day Challenge wellness program. He has known in the fitness

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Speaker 1: and b et dot Com. Please welcome to Money Making

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Speaker 1: Conversation for the very first time, Mr Robert brace Hey,

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01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 1: thank you for having me and to lay out there

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01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:55,599
Speaker 1: many as going on in your life, man for credits

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01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 1: are all about huh yeah, yeah, I'm pretty busy, but

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01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,719
Speaker 1: it's still good. God, it's been good for sure. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I gotta gotta give us the background on the accent. Okay.

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01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 1: I am originally from London, England, and I moved to

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Speaker 1: New York in my twenties to be a professional ballet

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01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:18,759
Speaker 1: and modern dancer. So that's where that's where the accents

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01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 1: comes from. Now, I was reading good By always a

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01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: soloist ballet dancer. Yes, I was a soloist at the

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01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: Metropolitan Opera ballet Um. That was one of the things

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Speaker 1: I did during my career. Actually tame me on soolarship

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01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 1: to the Albany School just for the summer. I'm supposed

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01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 1: to go back to England and I just never made

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01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:43,520
Speaker 1: it back. I've been her under since so um so yeah,

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01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,760
Speaker 1: well you know, I really I brought that up. Solo wids.

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01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 1: You know that you have that by yourself. That means

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01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 1: that you know slouch. You have to have your skill

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01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 1: game together, oh for sure. Well yeah, coming to New York,

1750
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,640
Speaker 1: New York, New York as a beast and uh, you know,

1751
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 1: to to compete here and especially to come from another country,

1752
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 1: you got to be serious. So yeah, it was it

1753
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 1: was good. I had a good time perfore me in

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01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 1: New York. Well, great New York is one of my

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01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 1: favorite cities. It was the funny story I was sharing

1756
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 1: with you. I was in New York yesterday being interviewed

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01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 1: by London Rio my man Brian Rose. He was in

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01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 1: town and uh he was doing an interview on one

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01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 1: one oh two Mulberry Street. And I realized that, I say,

1760
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 1: now you know, I do all my my research. And

1761
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 1: I looked up and I went, I think Robert Robert

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01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:33,680
Speaker 1: prices on the street at one thirty two. So I

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01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 1: rolled down to one thirty two. You right above Birt

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Speaker 1: Toe's clamhouse. Uh tweet two. E walked up the stairs

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Speaker 1: at one level, knocked up the wrong the bell a

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01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:46,759
Speaker 1: couple of times. You know, they want to be banging banging,

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Speaker 1: banging banging, And I said, okay, I was. I was

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Speaker 1: surprised if with a good story that I, oh you know.

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01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 1: That's how I man, I'm I try to really relate

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01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 1: to the people who come on my show of half

1771
01:37:56,360 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 1: time to go by and shake their hands and say hi.

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01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 1: That's all I was doing yesterday. Awesome, man, next time

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01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 1: you're in time, man, that that would have been great. Well,

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01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 1: like I said, it was impromptu because of the fact

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01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 1: that my original interview was at one and then it

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01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 1: was a big parade that was going on in that

1777
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 1: area yesterday and they pushed it down to three o'clock

1778
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: so they can avoid the noise. And that allowed me

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01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 1: to really sit down and research where I was at.

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01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,640
Speaker 1: And I just noticed your address and I went, I

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Speaker 1: got at least I got at least tell him I

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01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:29,559
Speaker 1: came by, at least even I don't see him. Now. Now,

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01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 1: why did you choose your studio location at one thirty

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01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:38,639
Speaker 1: two Mallberry Street, Unit to eat? You said, yes, uh

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01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:43,479
Speaker 1: number two? He said, why did I choose that location? Sir? Uh? Well,

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01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 1: we originally were in Soho and I had two partners

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01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:51,479
Speaker 1: and great people, but the business was more parlates and

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01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't really really aligned with what we were doing,

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01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 1: and we came to the end of our least now

1790
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 1: one of the things that's unique about our business, which

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Speaker 1: we're very proud of. We train all everybody's welcome, we're inclusive,

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Speaker 1: but we have a very strong African American, high performing

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01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 1: female clientele. UM and we you know, we'll get into

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01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 1: it in a bit. I imagine that we're about the mind,

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01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 1: body and soul comboding with my career as a dancer,

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01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:27,600
Speaker 1: and then I was also a minister in home for

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01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 1: six years where my wife I wanted a space where

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01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:34,679
Speaker 1: we could explore how to connect mind, body and soul

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Speaker 1: in the place that especially black women, women of color

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Speaker 1: could feel safe. And you know, the Leader is a

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01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 1: great location. People can get to it and anywhere our

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01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:50,640
Speaker 1: specific location and you know, and more practically, it was

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Speaker 1: one of the only spaces in New York that already

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01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:59,120
Speaker 1: had the soundproofing UM already built in. So I saved

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01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:02,120
Speaker 1: quite a bit of money doing that. But but that

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01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 1: was it. That was it. Now you were you saying

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01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:07,639
Speaker 1: something interesting? You say were women of color can feel safe?

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01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Well? Listen, UM a few things.

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01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 1: One I'll tell the story definitely whose you know, Pharmacy

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01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:23,719
Speaker 1: of BT. She invited me to do a wellness workshop.

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01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:26,840
Speaker 1: She has this accomplished call leading women to find it's

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01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,920
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty of the highest profile women in

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01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 1: business and entertainment and piannthropy. So we went out there

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01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 1: and I did a workshop which was fitness, but there

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01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 1: was also a meditation, there was also affirmations. UM, it

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01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 1: was those spiritual as well. And in that UM in

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01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:49,880
Speaker 1: that workshop we had I heard people coming up to me,

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01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 1: UM crying and saying, thank you so much for seeing us,

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01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 1: thank you so much for thinking about us. And then

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01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:00,679
Speaker 1: when I go to events, we had different the partners.

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01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 1: We had our partners with the athletics store and stuff,

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01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:08,719
Speaker 1: we rebooked them. And then again women coming up and saying,

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01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 1: you know, we don't have a place that weekly go

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01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 1: that celebrates us, that celebrates connects who we are, where

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01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 1: our bodies. We don't have to steel like we are

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01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 1: other and and so for me it's UM, it's just

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01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:28,559
Speaker 1: a badge of honor to be able to support uh

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01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 1: black women. And we have an incredible clientele, like I said,

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01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:37,240
Speaker 1: double e Angela Ry June Ambrose, UM, we have all

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01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 1: of these fantastic women Lisa Price, Carol's daughter, and so

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01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 1: if don't forget my girl WLS o days of Dasa,

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01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:49,920
Speaker 1: who has been with us from day one when we

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01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,400
Speaker 1: had no gym we had we were just in, you know,

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01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:56,599
Speaker 1: renting out spaces Desil who's awesome, UM, so shout out

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01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 1: to her and she's doing awesome things as well. But

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01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, we um they felt like they wanted a

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01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:08,559
Speaker 1: community that celebrated them, and we even created a book

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01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 1: called The Magic, which celebrates the wellness journeys of Black

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01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 1: women and and so yeah, that's that's a badge of

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01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:19,479
Speaker 1: honor for us. Look, I'm married to a beautiful Black

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01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:22,600
Speaker 1: woman and two beautiful Black daughters, and my life is

1842
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:26,800
Speaker 1: also an entrepreneur um and so I see daily the

1843
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:31,960
Speaker 1: struggle that she goes with in terms of doing doing

1844
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:33,879
Speaker 1: what she needs to do out there with her business,

1845
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 1: but also managing her stress levels and all that. So

1846
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 1: I'm surrounded by it. So it's just, you know, something

1847
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm very touching about. Well, you should stay that way.

1848
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 1: I have six sisters, so I feel and it can

1849
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 1: relate to being able to uh their paint that their

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01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 1: pain is women to paint as African American or Black

1851
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 1: women is a different experience and it should be understood

1852
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 1: as a different experience. It should, but in the study

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01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:00,599
Speaker 1: it needs to be communicated differently, handled differently, and realize

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01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 1: that their challenges should be recognized and also appreciated their

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01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:08,120
Speaker 1: efforts to overcome those challenges. Then that's part of the

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01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 1: whole mind body and soul connector. You know that you

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01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,639
Speaker 1: have that, that's your monica known in the Finnish community.

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01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:18,280
Speaker 1: Is the mind body soul connector? Talk about that? Yes, Well,

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01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:21,400
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to mind, body and soul

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01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 1: it can almost seem ethereal. Like you, you can't put

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01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:28,200
Speaker 1: your finial on exactly what it is, right, and so

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01:43:28,360 --> 01:43:31,560
Speaker 1: I think it's really important to clearly define it for

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01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 1: people and make the connection. And so what do I

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01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 1: mean in the most basic form is this? You know,

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01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 1: like I said, I have a church background, and when

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01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 1: you think of any kind of faith based organization, um

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01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 1: or doesn't have to be an organization any spiritual part. Right,

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01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:51,719
Speaker 1: what people are typically looking for is uh spiritual qualities

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01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:56,240
Speaker 1: like joy, like peace, a sense of control over their life,

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01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:59,559
Speaker 1: a sense of control over their mind, and clear thinking.

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01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:03,360
Speaker 1: And so we we go to these both on the

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01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:07,439
Speaker 1: spiritual path in search of these qualities. What I found

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01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 1: when I was dancing and when I started to move,

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Speaker 1: is that I would I would be feeling these things,

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01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:14,479
Speaker 1: but I just thought it was because I was enjoying

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01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 1: my dance career and living my life. But once you

1877
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 1: really connect with movement, you start to understand that when

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01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:25,639
Speaker 1: you move, your body produces serotonin. Sarah Toonin is known

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01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:29,160
Speaker 1: as the joy hormone because it produces joy. So if

1880
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 1: you've ever had a workout and you come out feeling

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01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 1: great about yourself, that's the serotonin what and dolphins are

1882
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:36,760
Speaker 1: also produced when you work out, and in dolphins are

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01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 1: known to give you a sense of calm and peace

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Speaker 1: and actually relieve the symptoms of depression and anxiety as

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01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 1: much as prescription meditation. So you move your body, you

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01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:49,759
Speaker 1: you work out, you get joy, you get peace. Exercise

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Speaker 1: gives your gives increases the prioritizing function of your brain.

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Speaker 1: So if you are prone to eating too much, shopping

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Speaker 1: too much, whatever, to much, and you need a sense

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Speaker 1: of control over your life and your decisions, exercise does

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Speaker 1: that for you. It gives you and also more options

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Speaker 1: to the brain so you can think more clearly. I

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Speaker 1: could go on, but those qualities of joy, a peace,

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Speaker 1: a sense of control thinking can all be accessed through

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Speaker 1: the temple of your body. And what we try to

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Speaker 1: do in our workouts is everything from when you walk

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Speaker 1: in the energy producing drinks that you're given, the workout

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Speaker 1: that you're given, where you're connecting with other people, increasing

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Speaker 1: that sense of joy, love and connection. We meditate at

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Speaker 1: the end of every single workout um the inducers we

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Speaker 1: give at the end to give you that sense of

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Speaker 1: control over your appetite and a sense of calm over

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Speaker 1: your well being. So even at the end of each

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Speaker 1: session we meditate. We give our clients cooling agil masks,

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Speaker 1: our calm the spirit they get chills. I like the

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Speaker 1: fact that can I just tell you just uh, Robert,

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Speaker 1: that whole meditating thing I think is important because I'm

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Speaker 1: a guy. I'm just talking about being right now. And

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Speaker 1: I know you're dealing with women of color, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm so hyper in the system. I gotta go. I'm

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Speaker 1: tied to time. I work up at the same time

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Speaker 1: every day. That to me really calms you. You know.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the de stressor in your whole process

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Speaker 1: is telling you, hey, don't run out the door. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's relax, let's let's let's bring all that down and

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Speaker 1: let's think about well, you're that's the that's the soul

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Speaker 1: connecting part of it, is it? Well, absolutely absolutely and

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Speaker 1: and what you just said is absolutely correct. Is helping

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Speaker 1: people understand it's okay to slow down for five to

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Speaker 1: ten minutes, to meditate, get your breathing right, focus your mind,

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Speaker 1: because you know, people many something well I don't know

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Speaker 1: how to meditator, can't do it. And what we have

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Speaker 1: is more of a guided meditation, so it helps you

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Speaker 1: through um. But yeah, it's so important to stop, take

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Speaker 1: a moment and be woe. Yeah, because you know it's

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Speaker 1: important that you know, we all want to be successful,

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Speaker 1: we all want to drive, and and New York is

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Speaker 1: already everybody stays it's in high stress. It's a high

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Speaker 1: stress city. You know, people pushing around, is crowded traffic.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can eat on the streets, you can eat.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's so many different layers of movements, so

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Speaker 1: many ethnic groups just just keeps crossing. As you cross

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Speaker 1: the street, you can be amongst five or six different

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Speaker 1: ethnic groups. And so when you when you speaking different

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Speaker 1: languages as well, and so when you're dealing with that

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Speaker 1: level of stress, you know, I get up in morning,

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Speaker 1: like four o'clock, and I think about incorporate what you're

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Speaker 1: talking about more so because I do that, I kind

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Speaker 1: of go downstairs and my my room, I stretch and

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Speaker 1: and but I turn on the TV. I think I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna turn off the TV and then just start talking

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Speaker 1: to myself more and just just getting myself more and

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Speaker 1: more focused for the day, because that's good advice that

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Speaker 1: you're giving to everybody, and and it's relatable with everybody.

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Speaker 1: Slow it down, think about what your day is, think

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Speaker 1: about what you've just accomplishing, like appreciate who you are,

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your surroundings, connect with your body, and feel good

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Speaker 1: about the opportunities that this day is giving you that

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Speaker 1: you're being blessed with. That's the that's the that's the

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Speaker 1: minister side of you that comes in and and moves

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Speaker 1: us forward, which is awesome. Absolutely, absolutely, I think the

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Speaker 1: first hour of your day and the lost hour of

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Speaker 1: your day are very important. I'm loving this interview. My friend.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to Robert Brace, my man. He's the money mind, body,

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Speaker 1: soul connector. We'll be right back with more and talking

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Speaker 1: about this day Challenge wellness program that he has started

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Speaker 1: and talking about the influences that are tied to that program. Again,

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more with my man Robert Brace

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Speaker 1: from Macha McDonald. The Money Making Conversations don't touch that dog.

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Speaker 1: money Making Conversations dot com, and follow Money Making Conversations

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Speaker 1: on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time

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Speaker 1: you stop thinking about your dreams and put some plans

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Speaker 1: into action. Knowing the Phone is former Ballet Answer Turn

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Speaker 1: celebrity trainer. He's known as the Mind, Body, Soul Connector

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Speaker 1: of New York City. He's a celebrity fitness trainer and

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Speaker 1: television personality. He has coming up what I call a

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Speaker 1: very program. We know, where's the first quarter? People always

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Speaker 1: talk about I got a resolution. I want to change

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Speaker 1: my life, whether it's weight or gain, or dating or

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Speaker 1: habits they feel they need to break. And it's always

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Speaker 1: good to capture people when they have that mindset that

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Speaker 1: they want to create change. Isn't that correct, Robert Oh,

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Speaker 1: that is absolutely correct. You know, this is the time

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Speaker 1: of the year when everybody's thinking about that change and

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Speaker 1: excited about it, and so I think if we can

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Speaker 1: just harness that feeling so it doesn't it doesn't feed

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Speaker 1: her out by the end of the month, and then

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Speaker 1: we can do some good things in we're talking to

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Speaker 1: talk about this twenty eight days of workouts for my

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Speaker 1: twenty eight day Challenge program that you created. Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, the original twenty eight day Challenge was created.

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Speaker 1: I had a friend of mine who was as a

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Speaker 1: comedic filmmaker. He wanted to make so all of these

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Speaker 1: magazine articles where they said you can get six pack

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Speaker 1: ads in study days, right, it comes to me it says,

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Speaker 1: I want to do a video where and I want

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Speaker 1: to see if this connectually happened. So we went at it.

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Speaker 1: I took on the challenge and instead of thirty days,

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Speaker 1: we totally transformed this body in twenty eight days. And

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Speaker 1: so that was in two thousand and eleven, and at

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Speaker 1: the time, we got postal a million views on that video,

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Speaker 1: and so people started to seek me out and my

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Speaker 1: team to do the twenty eight day challenge. So we've

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Speaker 1: been doing that for years. And then as I transitioned

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Speaker 1: more into mind, body and soul um that twenty eight

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Speaker 1: day challenge now includes the meditate ations, the affirmations and

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Speaker 1: also UM Mindset, Mindset and make over points, which are

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Speaker 1: little motivational stories from my training experience, from my life

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Speaker 1: that help you kind of see fitness in a different way.

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Speaker 1: And so what we're doing at the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: year is if anybody goes to my Instagram which is

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Speaker 1: at Robert Brace b R a C and you hit

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Speaker 1: the link in a buyer, you will get twenty eight

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Speaker 1: days of workouts from my twenty challenge program, twenty eight

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Speaker 1: days of guided meditations with affirmations that are relieve stress,

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Speaker 1: fining peace, and set your intentions for the year, as

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Speaker 1: well as twenty eight days of the wellness motivation chips

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Speaker 1: and insight from our personal life right. And we're also

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Speaker 1: doing in studio events which we live stream with some

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Speaker 1: of your favorite influences. Were just in one with Nourished Cross,

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Speaker 1: who is the first plus size model winner on project

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Speaker 1: We're on wing UM and so it's a lot of

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Speaker 1: complimentary free content that you yet it's has to give

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Speaker 1: you everything you need for a complete nine body and

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Speaker 1: soul transformation UM, including everything that we do in our challenge.

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Speaker 1: Before you added was exactly because you know this is

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Speaker 1: what exactly is that what what did you do? What

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Speaker 1: were you did you change the food eating habits? Was

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Speaker 1: it specifically as she worked on period? Are you still

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Speaker 1: use the same technique or I know you've said you

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Speaker 1: added the the the the meditation and the condition and

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Speaker 1: all that. What was that original challenge about? Well, the

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Speaker 1: original challenge, Yes, it's food and it's exercise. The background

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Speaker 1: to that story as when I was dancing. I started

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Speaker 1: dancelate my dance career. I started at fifty and I

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Speaker 1: was losty enough to get into a program because I

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Speaker 1: was still athletic and I had some flexibility. But part

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Speaker 1: of that is I was on an accelerated program and um,

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Speaker 1: it was great, but some of it they didn't really

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Speaker 1: teach me perfect technique, so I ended up I was

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Speaker 1: always getting injured. And then I was one day I

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Speaker 1: was in in a nun's class where they're doing the

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Speaker 1: big tricks, um, and you're doing all these giants and

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Speaker 1: turning in the air, and I came down from a

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Speaker 1: jump and I heard a crack in my back and yeah,

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Speaker 1: in my back, and I developed a terrible back injury.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't walk, I can move my net forward or back.

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Speaker 1: In the school at that time, because I was on

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Speaker 1: a splarship that if you didn't, if you don't heal um,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna lose your scholarship. And all I wanted to

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Speaker 1: do at that time was dance, and so I dedicated

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Speaker 1: that summer um six weeks to coming into the studio

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Speaker 1: and my job was to hear my body, deconstruct movement,

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Speaker 1: strengthen it, make it more flexible so that I can

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Speaker 1: be exactly what I needed to be to gain my

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Speaker 1: sponsorships that but also to be the best dancer I

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Speaker 1: could be. Got a sad effect of that was I transfer.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I came out and I was my absolute

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Speaker 1: writ My body was rich and that the core right

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Speaker 1: got the core right. Huh, That care was I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was intense. And so those principles are what I

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Speaker 1: moved over into the day talents. Not that anybody's doing

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Speaker 1: a dance, but the principles of how a deconstructive movement,

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Speaker 1: how we have a very serious attention to form and

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Speaker 1: engaging the right muscles and a very detailed assessment of

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Speaker 1: how we used the body is what I took that

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Speaker 1: velocity and transferred it into weight training, resistance training that

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Speaker 1: anybody can do and that's how we came about with

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Speaker 1: the twenty Day Challenged physical format, and then we have

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Speaker 1: different meal plans that meet different people's needs. Um. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's the story of how you know DA Times resformed.

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Speaker 1: It was probably the scared, one of the scariest times

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Speaker 1: in my life that you know that times you're mess

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Speaker 1: into a message. So, um, that's what we're using now.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the thing about it is there sometimes

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Speaker 1: the best moments happened when you walk through fear and

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Speaker 1: like I said, fear and scary, being being afraid, in

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Speaker 1: overcoming that and not being not being pushed back because

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Speaker 1: like you said, you were challenged by the fact physically

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Speaker 1: if you don't if you don't get it, get yourself

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Speaker 1: physically right, you could lose your scholarship. Out of that

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Speaker 1: result became what what we can we won't say. We

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Speaker 1: can use the word your perfect body, your core is right,

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Speaker 1: you were tight and then lead you to this whole,

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Speaker 1: this whole system that you have now which is the

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Speaker 1: basis of your brand. Yeah, that's exactly it. Wow, that's

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Speaker 1: exactly it. So we're not so so when you talk

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Speaker 1: about all these different formats, you know, because I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about the twenty eight day workout program, then what is

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Speaker 1: the resource solution? Is that still part of the challenge? Yes,

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Speaker 1: So the twenty resolutions is a little bit about what

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Speaker 1: I described earlier, setting your intentions for the year. Right.

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Speaker 1: So instead of just resolutions, right, we want to you

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Speaker 1: have resolutions who want to build a little deeper. We

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Speaker 1: set your buddy, refocus your mind and refresh your soul. Right,

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Speaker 1: And so would that you get all of the physical

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Speaker 1: part of the twenty challenge that I just described, but

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Speaker 1: you get the guided meditations that will focus your heart,

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Speaker 1: your spirit, your mind, as well as the affirmations and wellness.

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Speaker 1: It's we're all about changing the perspective of how people

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Speaker 1: see their bodies. You know, you hear the phrase, uh,

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Speaker 1: your body is your temple, right, And yes, we we

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Speaker 1: have been. We've got proven track record of changing bodies

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Speaker 1: really quickly. But the interesting thing about that phraise is

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Speaker 1: that when you think of a temple, um, it's beautiful

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Speaker 1: on the outside and and it's it's all nate, But

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Speaker 1: the temple is not a temple without the worship and

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Speaker 1: the self discovery that goes on inside that time. Right.

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Speaker 1: And so what we're focused on is helping you access

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Speaker 1: reason why you work on the outside of your temple right,

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Speaker 1: because we want the outside to reflect all of the beauty,

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Speaker 1: I think once we take away um, you want to

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Speaker 1: help people focus inwards, typically they feel better about themselves

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Speaker 1: than motivation is rights and they're able to get great results,

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Speaker 1: but not just get great results, but to live a

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Speaker 1: let's go back today because I want to make sure

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Speaker 1: that people take advantage of what you want to have

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Speaker 1: you on the show, in studio and live stream events

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Speaker 1: because you know, Peloton they really a lockdown that market

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Speaker 1: in the sense you know, when you pelling on the bike,

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Speaker 1: you can participate with somebody new, you are called another

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Speaker 1: this just riding by themselves, they're actually competing and being

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Speaker 1: thing called the mirror. Well, you know you can be

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Speaker 1: in front of the mirror and working out with somebody simultaneously.

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Speaker 1: Because I think, so I want to make sure that

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Speaker 1: this is something you're saying you're doing right now in studio,

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Speaker 1: out of your New York studio. There's on Mulberry Street

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Speaker 1: these livestream and in studio events. Correct talk about that

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Speaker 1: more detail, because I wanted people to understand that they

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Speaker 1: can go there and be engaged physically. Our online they

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Speaker 1: can be engaged as well for sure. So what we

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Speaker 1: do is we work for the many different influences and

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Speaker 1: any of this influenced people, people who have connected in

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Speaker 1: have events in our studio where they share their stories,

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Speaker 1: we really get to the bottom of what motivates them

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Speaker 1: to stay well and healthy. I mean largely in those

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Speaker 1: events as well as the workout. So we do different

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Speaker 1: We do different kind of events for active workouts. It's

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Speaker 1: just really fun um different ways for people to explore

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Speaker 1: their body as well as do the actual workout. And

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Speaker 1: so if you sign up or if you go to

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Speaker 1: my Instagram Robbert Brace and you hit the link in

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Speaker 1: the bio and your part of UM and we send

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Speaker 1: you twenty eight days of the workouts and the meditations.

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Speaker 1: You will all also get notified of when we're having

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Speaker 1: these events, so you can show up to the studio

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Speaker 1: or you can live stream them and get this so

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Speaker 1: much wisdom out there, you know, I think if we

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Speaker 1: connect with other people who who are on their own

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Speaker 1: wellness of mind, body sold journey and learned from their wisdom,

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Speaker 1: it elevates all of us. And so they can connect

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Speaker 1: to that from just signing up through the website there

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Speaker 1: or just checking my Instagram. Because we're always a managing

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Speaker 1: the same thing right right always My show is money

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Speaker 1: making Conversation. I always like for my guests to provide

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Speaker 1: some information or some tidbit or some opportunity to show

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Speaker 1: that you know, we always see the end results, but

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Speaker 1: they're always there's always a journey to get to the end,

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Speaker 1: because when you get to the end, you're still moving

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Speaker 1: forward now. And people approached me about starting their business

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Speaker 1: businesses type like this, what what advice would you give them?

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Speaker 1: And to move forward with a business plan to make

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Speaker 1: sure that these these things are in place, I must

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Speaker 1: think first and foremost. Um, well, I guess it's a

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Speaker 1: two different things you're you're asking about. You know, what

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Speaker 1: we should think about when starting a business or when

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Speaker 1: starting a business business, which is understanding the principles of

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Speaker 1: starting this type of business or some of the challenges

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Speaker 1: you went through, Like you said, you went with some

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Speaker 1: previous partners and now you're by yourself, so you know,

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Speaker 1: those are different conversations. Yeah, I think that you have

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Speaker 1: to trust your talents and your interests, and that sounds

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Speaker 1: very basic, But what I mean is this. I came,

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Speaker 1: I came out of the ministry, and I came back

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Speaker 1: to did a bunch of different things that came back

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Speaker 1: to training. I was training for other people. I had

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Speaker 1: my own clients, and I would bounce around the city

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Speaker 1: training pending people in different locations. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: used to have the mindset of, man, you've done too

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Speaker 1: many things. You're a dancer and when you were a minister,

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Speaker 1: and I tried this entrepreneurial thing that didn't work out,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I was going through a period in

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Speaker 1: my life I was like, what are you doing all

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Speaker 1: these different things? How do they fit together. And the

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Speaker 1: more that people people started to connect with me. UM

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Speaker 1: for the different stages of my journey. People started to

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Speaker 1: connect with me because they were attracted to the ballet background.

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Speaker 1: Other people started to connect with me because, oh there's

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Speaker 1: somebody who wants to stands the spiritual background. And then

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Speaker 1: entrepreneurs started connecting with me because you know, I'd had

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Speaker 1: first one, UM, I understood their struggle. And so then

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Speaker 1: as I progressed, I started to see I just needed

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Speaker 1: to be me. One of the things that I've been through,

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Speaker 1: UM on what makes me and what makes my brand?

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Speaker 1: And you know the needs that I see, I see

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Speaker 1: the need UM for all people. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: say our gens just for black women. We train everybody. UM.

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Speaker 1: And but you know the specific journey I've had. I

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Speaker 1: was raised by a single, single mother and UM, you

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Speaker 1: know she fought to give me the very best she

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Speaker 1: and she was an immigrant from Africas and moved to England.

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Speaker 1: She had dyslexias, so she was written off. She um

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Speaker 1: started to make dresses for a living. She only made

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Speaker 1: fifty cents address and that salary. She decided to put

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Speaker 1: on her own wellness until much later in life. And

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Speaker 1: so even that experience of seeing my mother now enjoying

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Speaker 1: play with us outside, how how much joy you had?

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Speaker 1: You know, all of those things in my life and

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Speaker 1: are real to me. And so that is what I

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Speaker 1: used as the basic inspiration for my business. Now beyond that, um,

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Speaker 1: then you just have to learn. It's just because you

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Speaker 1: have the inspiration and you have a certain talent. What

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Speaker 1: I learned very quickly is you need to learn essential

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Speaker 1: business principles. And I spent money on insultants. I spend

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Speaker 1: and learn from the best people. And sometimes you know,

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Speaker 1: not seeing an immediate return on my investment. But over

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Speaker 1: just because you have a talent and an experience does

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