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Speaker 1: Hello Texans, Welcome to the show, Mark vandermir John Harris

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Speaker 1: with you.

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Speaker 1: Kalou is going to join us later on in the program,

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Speaker 1: and also Treymon Smith a visit with him, Texans cornerback

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Speaker 1: and return man who was pressed into action when Derek

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Speaker 1: Stingley Junior got hurt during the Jacksonville Jaguars game. No

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Speaker 1: update on him until tomorrow when the official injury report

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Speaker 1: comes out following practice number one during Titan's week. And

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Speaker 1: they're in the news right now. We'll get to them

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Speaker 1: in just a moment. But news broke earlier today Johnny

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Speaker 1: about the release of CJ. Gardner Johnson, acquired in an

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Speaker 1: offseason trade from Philadelphia safety high hopes for him, but

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Speaker 1: now no hope as he is no longer a Texan

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Speaker 1: and we don't have any official explanation. We will have

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Speaker 1: Nick Cassario on tomorrow. An interview might be up on

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Speaker 1: YouTube already, but we did that before this release happened,

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Speaker 1: so we didn't have a chance to ask Nick about it.

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Speaker 1: But your thoughts as the secondary goes without CJ. Gardner

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Speaker 1: Johnson from here on in to.

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Speaker 3: See this news at lunch on Tuesday, and you and

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Speaker 3: I were sitting in here, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: I see it pop up and the new at that

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Speaker 3: point it had it was reported at at NFL, and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, well, that's easy to figure out.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't like ad Nan Shuster or whatever. Right, it

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Speaker 3: And it said at rap sheet and I know that's

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Speaker 3: Ian Rapaport, and so I'm like, I think what it

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Speaker 3: it goes to show is even for us, we're in

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Speaker 3: this building all the time. Yeah, twenty four seven, three

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Speaker 3: sixty five, it feels like we're in this building and

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Speaker 3: yet we still don't know.

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Speaker 1: I had no clue, no idea, no clue, No Johnson,

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Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson. I'm gonna come out these too, because everybody

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Speaker 1: saw it.

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Speaker 4: Everybody. I saw it.

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Speaker 1: After the playoff win against the Chargers. Everybody saw a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a meltdown from him, for lack of

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Speaker 1: And that was an experiment. This is an experiment too.

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Speaker 1: It's just a grander experiment that to place over the offseason. Preseason,

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Speaker 1: we all saw him go down at the Greenbrier, thought

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Speaker 1: he might be lost for the year. He comes back

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Speaker 1: now he is lost for the year, but voluntarily about

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Speaker 1: the Houston Texans as he's reportedly released.

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Speaker 4: So there you have it. No CJ. Gardner Johnson.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like he was making play after play, but

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Speaker 1: But the news came down this week also that Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Commissioner's office. I don't know when he's going to be

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Speaker 1: possibly available for this football team, but maybe down the

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but we are where we are. It's

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Speaker 1: only week four and you got to go Sunday without CJ.

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Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson among other things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, still even throughout the day Tuesday, trying to like

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Speaker 3: trying to comprehend everything and okay, well, what do we

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Speaker 4: Obviously decision has been made. What do we do? What

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, what's let's let's just look at that

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Speaker 3: part of it at this in the safety position, you

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Speaker 1: You can always have Petrie go back there at safety,

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Speaker 1: right you but you don't have Jalen Smith. Feeling it,

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Speaker 1: it just hit me. It just hit me who this

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Speaker 3: And it's somebody with experience in this defense, not for

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Speaker 3: I thought a preseason, I thought he did some good things,

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Speaker 3: Maybe they bring him up the first time. It's just

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Speaker 4: I think it's going to be a veteran next to.

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Speaker 3: Sure, if they played well together and they smart and

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Speaker 3: I don't know that in the first three games that

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Speaker 3: So I don't know from a production standpoint that it's

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Speaker 4: What is it?

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Speaker 3: And look, he's got you know, he's got a you know,

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Speaker 3: he has a past with teams that has not only

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Speaker 4: You know, CJ plays with a proverbial chip on his shoulder.

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Speaker 3: I my one of my good friends was his coach

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Speaker 3: a couple of years in high school. And I know,

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Speaker 3: know how he is, and I know he can handle

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Speaker 3: guys that you know, he handles them really really well,

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Speaker 4: They can do. But maybe it's just in the end,

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Speaker 4: wasn't the right fit. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think that's you know, there'll be some speculation about

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Speaker 4: Will come up. Uh, I don't know that. They'll probably

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Speaker 4: go into a lot of specifics. No, he won't. He'll

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Speaker 4: say it wasn't a fit here or whatever. That's really

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Speaker 4: what we're gonna get. It wasn't like he was making

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Speaker 3: Right, right exactly? So was the was the orange juice

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Speaker 3: worth to squeeze? In a sense?

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Speaker 1: I don't know who knows what the squeeze really was

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Speaker 1: behind closed exact reports and everything. But look, usually when

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Speaker 1: We three, they watch out of the building. That's right,

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Speaker 1: you know. And could there have been a trade maybe,

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Speaker 4: So let's say you're the Norman Saints. Yeah, just whatever, right, and.

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Speaker 3: You're like, uh, no, they've had they've had experience with C. J.

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Speaker 4: To what happened? What happened?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, no question and bingo, and they know if

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Speaker 3: you're intrigued, You're like, why's saying yes this? Yeah, because

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Speaker 4: So if you get a call, then.

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Speaker 3: You call second team and all of a sudden, maybe

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Speaker 4: Okay, something's gone wrong.

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Speaker 1: But he will end up somewhere because now he's a

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Speaker 1: people shouldn't freak out about no trade. I know there's

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Speaker 3: I just think that trying to trade, once you make

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Speaker 4: We've seen Nick do it before. The he's done it.

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Speaker 1: Remember mark ingram Well seventh round pick in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: It was two years, three years after the fourth. Does

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Speaker 3: It's also they're gonna take on the car show a

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Speaker 3: Mark had always been, you know, praised as a really

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Speaker 4: Yeah he is. He's a very opinionated guy.

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Speaker 3: And for some teams, you know, in a situation when

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Speaker 3: And so we got to do what the team's got

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Speaker 3: I said, we got to think about, Okay, what are

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Speaker 1: Idea, right well, one of the impressive things was Treymon

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Speaker 1: this stage of Treymon's career, but he's helpful.

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Speaker 4: He's useful, as a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of people would say, actually that's a Scot van Pelting,

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Speaker 1: I think. But Johnny and I had a chance to

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Speaker 1: catch up with Treymont before this news came out here

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Speaker 1: in the Hunday Texans Radio studio. It's your first time

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Speaker 1: in the renovated studio. I don't know if you notice

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Speaker 1: the difference here.

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Speaker 4: It looks very nice.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, y'all definitely had some interior designers in here.

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Speaker 4: What you don't think we did this man job? That's

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Speaker 4: definitely not our job.

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Speaker 3: Tremon I always wonder this, how's the body feel the

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Speaker 1: So far, defenses, the performance has been really good through

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Speaker 4: Get that that loss behind you in the sense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're making it tough on us, and which we

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Speaker 5: But it's stuff we can handle, definitely. The returners we

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Speaker 3: How wild are the footballs that you're seeing that are

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Speaker 4: There were knuckleballs literally, that's exactly what I was.

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Speaker 5: But we got to just keep practicing, pre practicing, post

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Speaker 4: Did you play baseball growing up? I did? Actually does

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Speaker 4: Practice practice for you.

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Speaker 1: Just daily practice has to be very elaborate because special

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Speaker 4: Uniform and the Yeahs were hitting him. Did you ask

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Speaker 5: Yet on the on the on the field, I did

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Speaker 5: God, he's a big He's a big human being. I

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Speaker 4: You know, he's a lot of talent, so you gotta

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Speaker 5: You know, his arm, his arm power, his throwing power

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Speaker 5: So we just really got to play tight coverage and

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Speaker 3: you think it's over and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: he pops out and he's running the other way. Had

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Speaker 3: the touchdown a couple of weeks ago, I think it

444
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Speaker 3: was against the Rams where he threw one all the

445
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Speaker 3: way back. How tough does that make it on you

446
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Speaker 3: guys in the back end, Like you know that guy

447
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Speaker 3: can keep a play alive.

448
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Speaker 4: How tough is that for you guys? To That goes

449
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Speaker 4: back to what we was talking about the eyes.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's easy to guard the first route, but

451
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Speaker 5: that second round to be the hardest because they can

452
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Speaker 5: run anything. You know, they can go towards the end zone,

453
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Speaker 5: they can come back to the quarterback across the field.

454
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Speaker 5: So that's when our OZ played another part. So we

455
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Speaker 5: just got to be real good with Oz.

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Speaker 4: Yep. All right.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you this, and I know we

458
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Speaker 1: must have talked about this when you were here last time,

459
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Speaker 1: your last time with the Texans, But the Central Arkansas

460
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Speaker 1: field with the is it purple.

461
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Speaker 4: And gray and gray? How weird was that to play

462
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Speaker 4: on that field? It was weird?

463
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Speaker 5: And I kind of want to say it was an

464
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Speaker 5: advantage because I can't say that was the best turf

465
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Speaker 5: I ever played on, and it being not the best

466
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Speaker 5: turf you ever played on in purple and gray, yeah,

467
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Speaker 5: and us being used to it, I feel like it

468
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Speaker 5: helped us out a lot. But it was kind of different,

469
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Speaker 5: you know, it kind of come out to help me

470
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Speaker 5: sign the Central Arkansas as well, So it has its

471
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Speaker 5: pros and cons.

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Speaker 1: I see, makes it a unique environment. Want to be here,

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Speaker 1: all right? Very cool, very cool? All right, thanks a

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Speaker 1: lot for joining us, Tremon good all right, there's Traymon

475
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Speaker 1: Smith and we're going to catch up with nd Kalou next.

476
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Speaker 1: Also later on in the show AFC South News that

477
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Speaker 1: affects Sunday's game deeply. We'll talk about that, and then

478
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Speaker 1: some here on Texans Radio, it's Texans All. It's great

479
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Speaker 1: to have you listening, Mark VanderMeer and John Harris with you,

480
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Speaker 1: joined by nd Kalud on the line and d my friend,

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Speaker 1: help me out here. When you talk about a team

482
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Speaker 1: that is in a state like this Owen three and

483
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Speaker 1: on the edge of things on the edge of the

484
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Speaker 1: whole thing falling apart, really as far as the record

485
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Speaker 1: goes and your chances and all of that, it's still salvageable,

486
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Speaker 1: although very difficult, but still salvageable. What is the mindset

487
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Speaker 1: like for these players in your opinion, and what do

488
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Speaker 1: they need to do to stick together and get done

489
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Speaker 1: what they need to get done to climb back into

490
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Speaker 1: this thing?

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Speaker 6: You know what, Marcus, sounds cliche, but one game, one quarter,

492
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Speaker 6: one play at a time. You can't start thinking to yourself,

493
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Speaker 6: how many games are we behind the Indianapolis Colts, how

494
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Speaker 6: many games are we behind the Jacksonville Jaguars, if you're

495
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Speaker 6: going to dig out of it, and this is the

496
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Speaker 6: division to dig out of an oh and three start,

497
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Speaker 6: you literally have to take a one play at a time.

498
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Speaker 6: And again, there are certain things that we've heard as

499
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Speaker 6: players from pee wee football all the way through the NFL,

500
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Speaker 6: but I've always felt like that that one rings true

501
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Speaker 6: because when you start thinking about the big picture, then

502
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Speaker 6: you're not focused on what truly matters. And for a

503
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 6: defensive lineman is the guy in front of you, For

504
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Speaker 6: an offensive lineman is the guy in front of you,

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Speaker 6: So you really just have to focus on won't play

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Speaker 6: any time?

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Speaker 3: And Yeah, I think sometimes we forget these are twenty

508
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Speaker 3: somethings playing this game, and it's hard for us sometimes

509
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Speaker 3: to think back to being a twenty something. How difficult

510
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Speaker 3: is that for players to do to now look at

511
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Speaker 3: the standings to just say this play, win this play, Okay,

512
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Speaker 3: won that play, win the next one. How tough is

513
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Speaker 3: that for young dudes to do on a down in,

514
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Speaker 3: down out, weekend, week out basis?

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Speaker 6: You know what, John, I don't think it's tough because

516
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Speaker 6: as a football player, you know, in the NFL, you're

517
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Speaker 6: kind of in a bubble and you're so focused on

518
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Speaker 6: what you're hearing in the stadium, what you're hearing in

519
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Speaker 6: the meeting rooms, in the locker room, and trust me,

520
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Speaker 6: Demico Ryans and his staff, they're just punching the same

521
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Speaker 6: message into these guys' heads. Hey, well, play at a time,

522
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Speaker 6: don't you know. Don't think about what you can't control.

523
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Speaker 6: So unless these guys are just really listening to sports

524
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Speaker 6: talk radio and reading what's on social media, I actually

525
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Speaker 6: don't think it's hard because you have to. You have

526
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Speaker 6: fourteen more games, like there's no way out of it.

527
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Speaker 6: You have to go out there and play. You want

528
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Speaker 6: to succeed. There's a lot of pride in that locker

529
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Speaker 6: room across from the studio that y'all are sitting in,

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Speaker 6: So I don't think that aspect of it is hard.

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Speaker 6: What's hard is every Sunday facing an NFL team. I

532
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Speaker 6: don't care if it's you know, one of the worst

533
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Speaker 6: teams in the NFL. Now you have an own three

534
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Speaker 6: records and some people might argue that's you, or if

535
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Speaker 6: you're playing one of the best teams, you know, the

536
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Speaker 6: Philadelphia Eagles or Green Bay Packers, you know, those type

537
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Speaker 6: of teams. Because every week, especially for these young guys.

538
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Speaker 6: You're just facing a top quality player that you're supposed

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Speaker 6: to stop.

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Speaker 1: Andy, What is something that a defensive player, say Will

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Speaker 1: Anderson Jr. Could say to as c J Stroud too.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say get them going, but at least

543
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Speaker 1: make them feel that, hey, everything's gonna be okay or

544
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Speaker 1: is there anything you need? I'm doing a wellness check.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how to describe it, but we

546
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Speaker 1: talked yesterday about the need for these guys to stick together.

547
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Speaker 1: What about the communication across sides of the ball on

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Speaker 1: this squad and what can be done, what should be

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Speaker 1: done to help them further aligned to accomplish their goals.

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Speaker 6: If you keep it short and sweet, I think that

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Speaker 6: resonates more if, like literally, if if Will Anderson walked

552
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Speaker 6: by CJ as they're walking out to practice and say,

553
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Speaker 6: we got your back, Like if that's all he said,

554
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Speaker 6: then CJ knows, Okay, you know this defense, They're going

555
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Speaker 6: to do as much as they can as we're trying

556
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Speaker 6: to learn this new system, learn this new offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 6: Other times, because CJ appears to be an individual who

558
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Speaker 6: really cares about this sport and really cares about, you know, success,

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Speaker 6: if you you know, I've seen this happen. I've actually

560
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Speaker 6: done this. If you see a player that's down in

561
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Speaker 6: the dumps and they're having a bad run for a

562
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Speaker 6: couple of weeks, you just take them out and you

563
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Speaker 6: don't even bring up football. Hey man, let's go grab

564
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Speaker 6: a drink, let's go, you know, grab a bite to eat,

565
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Speaker 6: and you literally talk about anything but football. They're not dumb.

566
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Speaker 6: They know what you're doing and they appreciate it. So

567
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Speaker 6: it could be a small gesture that goes.

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Speaker 2: A long way.

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Speaker 3: Indy, we talked about this a little bit on on Monday.

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Speaker 3: Ariante Airy Street tough games a rookie. I'm sure you've had.

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Speaker 3: You know, you had tough games as a rookie. I'm

572
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Speaker 3: sure you saw tough games of rookies that were on

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Speaker 3: your team. In trying to get a guy that won't

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Speaker 3: lose his confidence, make sure is he kind of the

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Speaker 3: same philosophy in a sense with a young dude that

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Speaker 3: hey man, put your arm around him.

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Speaker 4: Like I've had bad games.

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Speaker 3: You've all had bad games, and you'll be okay, you'll

579
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Speaker 3: bounce back from it. I think the side of it

580
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Speaker 3: that people worry about is oh Man that's the kind

581
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Speaker 3: of game they could.

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Speaker 4: Ruin a guy.

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Speaker 3: You know, we've seen a guy just go into the

584
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Speaker 3: tank after playing a game like that. I don't think

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Speaker 3: we worry about that with Ariante, But how do you

586
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Speaker 3: make sure that it doesn't go from a bad game

587
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Speaker 3: against the jag to a man confidence loss. Now, bad

588
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Speaker 3: game against a tight is a bad game down the road.

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Speaker 3: How do you kind of keep a young guy as

590
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Speaker 3: a teammate from letting it spiral if you will on

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Speaker 3: downward the season.

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Speaker 6: No, you just let him know if you're a vet

593
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Speaker 6: on this team, some of the struggles and the adjustments

594
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Speaker 6: you had to make your rookie year. And he has

595
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Speaker 6: to realize, you know, he's a grown man, he's a professional.

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Speaker 6: I remember, you know, watching the draft talk when he

597
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Speaker 6: was drafted and they talked about the great game that

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Speaker 6: he had against Abdul Carter. He needs to realize he

599
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Speaker 6: has a guy that's better than Abdul Carter every single week.

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Speaker 6: And when I say better, better than what Abdul Carter

601
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Speaker 6: was in college versus what he's facing now. You know,

602
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Speaker 6: with Travon Walker, people would talk about, oh, he wasn't

603
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Speaker 6: worthy of a number one overall pick, but I'm sure

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Speaker 6: the guys whould go against him every single week will

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Speaker 6: say he's doing just fine. There's a reason why he

606
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Speaker 6: has over twenty sacks in the last two years, and

607
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Speaker 6: it doesn't get any easier, even if it's a defensive

608
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Speaker 6: end who's not a household name. I was watching the

609
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Speaker 6: game last night, the Baltimore Ray and the Detroit Lions,

610
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Speaker 6: and the backup to Marcus Davenport who's out. He had

611
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Speaker 6: two and a half sacks last night. So even guys

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Speaker 6: that you just haven't heard of, these are grown a men,

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Speaker 6: you know. These are grown men who are playing for mortgages,

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Speaker 6: who are playing because they got two baby mamas and

615
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Speaker 6: they got to make child support. So it's just a

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Speaker 6: different beast, a different animal that you're facing every week.

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Speaker 6: So once Ariante realizes that, which I'm sure he does

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Speaker 6: and has, he'll know its an adjustment.

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Speaker 2: He'll know that.

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Speaker 6: Very few people are like Orlando Pace, where they step

621
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Speaker 6: up day one and just dominated as a rookie. That

622
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Speaker 6: is going to be some kind of growth. Dwayne Brown

623
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Speaker 6: went through it, and he went on to have a

624
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Speaker 6: very successful career. Most of the tackles I played against

625
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Speaker 6: Joe Thomas first ballot Hall of Famer and I was

626
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Speaker 6: in my last year in the NFL. He was in

627
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Speaker 6: his first year. Now, no one's gonna believe me, but

628
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Speaker 6: I gave the young bubb a little bit of the business.

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Speaker 6: And I'm just an old role player. So Arianta's to

630
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Speaker 6: be just fine.

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Speaker 4: Schooling Joe Thomas man, I love to hear.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, very nice, very nice and dy kalou with

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Speaker 1: us andy young players. I've said this, if you're not

634
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Speaker 1: getting better, you're getting worse. And I know I didn't

635
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 1: coin that. I stole it from many different people. But

636
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Speaker 1: in the NFL, you've got a good rookie year, you

637
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Speaker 1: have a good early bit of success. You've got to

638
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Speaker 1: try to improve. If you don't try to improve, you're

639
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Speaker 1: probably backsliding.

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Speaker 4: Can you speak to that a bit.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've been with different teams, three different teams

642
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Speaker 1: in your career at different times, So you tell me

643
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Speaker 1: what does that take and what is your assessment.

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Speaker 6: But that's just the nature of the sport mark and

645
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 6: that's what's so cool about it when you're in it.

646
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Speaker 6: When I was in it, you don't really think about it,

647
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Speaker 6: but you know, when I was playing with some of

648
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Speaker 6: the Andre Johnson. Like Andre Johnson, after he had established

649
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Speaker 6: himself as one of the best, if not the best,

650
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Speaker 6: wide receivers in the NFL, if you would go watch

651
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Speaker 6: him practice, you would think that he was trying to

652
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Speaker 6: make the team and every day he was trying to

653
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Speaker 6: work on something to get better. And Andre Johnson, that's

654
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Speaker 6: the name we all know, but guys that you might

655
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Speaker 6: not have heard of, but they played ten years in

656
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Speaker 6: the NFL. They all have that mindset that you're always

657
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Speaker 6: working on something. There's no perfect player, so it just

658
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Speaker 6: becomes a part of that's the norm. I mean, it

659
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 6: sounds impressive, it sounds like someone should be getting a

660
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 6: pat on the back, but in the league, that's the

661
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 6: norm that you're always trying to get better.

662
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: And it's not just for the young guys, it's for

663
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 2: the older guys.

664
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 6: Danil Hunter, you know, I'm sure he's working on a

665
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 6: certain move that he feels like isn't his best move.

666
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: C J.

667
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 6: Stroud, I'm sure you know he's gonna be watching film

668
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 6: and looking to where he could continue to improve at the.

669
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 4: End of the game Sunday.

670
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: Indeed, nobody will admit to it, and I don't think

671
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: anybody will admit to it after the fact, but it

672
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: seemed pretty clear that the Texans' defense. I don't know

673
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 3: if they let them score, but they definitely were not

674
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: attacking blocks as they had earlier in the game, if

675
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 3: you will, And it turned out to be the exact

676
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: right strategy to get the ball back to your quarterback

677
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 3: and give him an opportunity one forty eight I think

678
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 3: it was left than o'clock, go down score. Have you

679
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: ever been in that situation before? And how tough is

680
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 3: that for a defense to go? I know we're supposed

681
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: to let him score, but man, this is really really

682
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: hard as a defensive player.

683
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 4: Did you ever have that situation?

684
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 6: Indeed, Well, it's funny you said that they didn't admit

685
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 6: to it. I just assumed everyone you.

686
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: The were letting.

687
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 4: Maybe that's what it was.

688
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, from the way the player looked on television. Yeah,

689
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 6: you were on the sideline, so I don't know if

690
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 6: I had the better angle off you did, but I

691
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 6: just assumed, oh, okay, they let him score so they

692
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 6: could get the ball back and try to tie it up.

693
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 6: I don't remember John ever being in that situation, but

694
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 6: it is tough because you feel like that goes against

695
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 6: everything in your DNA to just let somebody score. But

696
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 6: I understand the big picture and the strategy behind it.

697
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 6: And here's the thing. It's not saying, hey, y'all aren't

698
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 6: good enough, so hurry up and let them score. In

699
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 6: my opinion, they were already in field goal position, and

700
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 6: they could have led the clock and then kicked the

701
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 6: field goal to win the game and not leave any

702
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 6: more time left. So in that scenario, you put your

703
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 6: pride aside and you say, we need to do this

704
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 6: if we want to have a chance to win. I

705
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 6: can't remember ever being in a position because I am

706
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 6: curious to what that. You know, how that sounds in

707
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 6: the huddle at the DC you're saying, hey, y'all make

708
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 6: it look good, but go ahead and let them score.

709
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 6: But I understand that. I understand it, and I'm okay

710
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 6: with it. As crazy as that man sound.

711
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 4: I'm going to shift gears here for a moment. ND.

712
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: You played this game at the highest level and all

713
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: throughout your career in high school in San Antonio and

714
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: at Rice and in the NFL for twelve years.

715
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 4: How has having kids.

716
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: Who played football changed or shaped the way you look

717
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: at this game? How has that affected the way you

718
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: view not just pro football, but maybe football in general.

719
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: Well, what can you tell us about that.

720
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 6: It's funny you asked that. I was talking to somebody

721
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 6: about this and it's kind of emotional. So one of

722
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 6: my sons plays at Baylor, and I was telling my buddy,

723
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 6: I don't even enjoy the games.

724
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: I don't enjoy it because I'm.

725
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 6: Literally watching the game and after the pile, you know,

726
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 6: guys are getting up, I'm literally just praying, please get up.

727
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 6: So it's just a situation because in high school he

728
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 6: had a devastating knee injury and the fact that he

729
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 6: came back from that and he's, you know, starting for

730
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 6: Baylor has been a testament and awesome story for him.

731
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 6: But it's to the point now where it's hard for

732
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 6: me to enjoy the game because I'm just so focused

733
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 6: on on their help because it's such a violent game.

734
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 6: When Baylor just played Arizona State, you know, that was

735
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 6: my son's first game back from an ankle injury, and

736
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 6: then the first play one of his teammates brais his

737
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 6: leg and he's out for the year. And it's just

738
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 6: I know, this isn't the answer that you're now part

739
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 6: of apologize. But as a parent, it's really hard to

740
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 6: like truly watch and enjoy the game. Then when the

741
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 6: game's over and we're hanging out at his house watching

742
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 6: the other games, I just enjoyed, you know, I'm back

743
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 6: to being a fan. So as a parent, it's tough.

744
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 6: And I even asked my parents. For those that don't know,

745
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 6: you know, I'm first generation born here in the United States.

746
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 6: My parents are from Nigeria. And I remember asking my

747
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 6: dad this past Sunday. I said, Dad, how did you

748
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 6: enjoy the games? Do you not love me as much

749
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 6: as I love myself? Because I came and he said,

750
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 6: I didn't know what was going on and you never

751
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 6: got hurt. So I just like he mentioned to me

752
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 6: that he just never thought about it. But it's it

753
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 6: reminds me of how brutal the game is when you

754
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 6: actually have loved ones actually playing.

755
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: Wait, did you did he really not know what was

756
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: going on? Did he not understand the sport and learn

757
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: it on the way as you continued to play.

758
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, he learned it on the way and he got

759
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 6: you know good or he truly understood it once he

760
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 6: realized how as high school football was here in Texas.

761
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 6: But you know, thank god, I never had any serious

762
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 6: injuries until my eighth year in the NFL. So I

763
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 6: think that's the part that he just never thought to think,

764
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 6: oh this gout, you know, he might get hurt. But

765
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 6: again with my son, a good close friend of mine,

766
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 6: his son, we've been through it, so it's always in the.

767
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: Back of your mind.

768
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: Andy, I can't remember if we ever talked about this,

769
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: but earlier on Tuesday, it was announced Oklahoma State had

770
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: fired Mike Gundy. There are three games, four games into

771
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 3: a season. Had you ever had a situation where a

772
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: position coach or coordinator or a head coach was fired

773
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: during the season. I had happened my senior year in college,

774
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: right after, like the day after the season was over,

775
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 3: and I just remember feeling this guilt, like, man, I

776
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: could have done more. And I didn't even play all

777
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: that much my senior year, but I just I felt

778
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: this level of guilt.

779
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 4: But the season was over.

780
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 3: They still got seven eight games left to go, and

781
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: I can't imagine what those kids are thinking. Yet Coach

782
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: Gundy brought me to Oklahoma State. What's gonna happen? Did

783
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: you ever have that situation? During the season and how

784
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 3: how did it kind of work out for you and

785
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 3: the team at that point.

786
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: So back then they were known as the Redskins.

787
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 6: When I was with the Washington Redskins, North Turner got

788
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 6: fired in the middle of the season. Oh yeah, and

789
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 6: that was a very interesting situation. And to tell you

790
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 6: the truth, John, you know, we talked about things players

791
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 6: don't admit. But when that happened, and I was still young.

792
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 6: Matter of fact, I was the youngest guy on the roster.

793
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: At that time. Why I remember that, I don't know.

794
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 6: But when it happened, the team basically just went through

795
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 6: the motions. After that, everybody was pretty much out for themselves.

796
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 6: Not in a way that sounds as toxic as I'm

797
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 6: saying it, but it was more a situation where and

798
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 6: it wasn't that late in the season. I mean, Terry Rubisky,

799
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 6: the wide receiver coach, ended up becoming the interim head coach,

800
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 6: and it just felt like, Okay, we're just getting through

801
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 6: this season and if we play well enough, you know,

802
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 6: we'll be back on this team next year, or we're

803
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 6: putting film for the other teams out there. It had

804
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 6: a preseason feel to it. I never understood why the

805
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 6: powers that be make those moves mid season. I know

806
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 6: sometimes they want that spark, similar to Dan Campbell when

807
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 6: he was an interim coach in of the Miami Dolphins

808
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 6: and he became the head coach. There was a spark,

809
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 6: but most of the time it's like, uh, this nothing

810
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 6: says your season's over more than we're gonna go ahead

811
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 6: and fire our head coach.

812
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

813
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, And obviously it happens all the time in the

814
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: NFL college level, of course.

815
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: Well it's happened lately in college there have been three

816
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 3: big jobs. You show a Virginia second Oklahoma State. Now

817
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: I'll open and it's not even October.

818
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: Well, I guess they figure the days and to speak

819
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: to this, the days of building a program and Van

820
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: Gundy or Van Gundy, Mike Gundy. Mike Gundy was a

821
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: big program builder obviously at Oklahoma State. And now everything

822
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: feels so instant because of the portal. So bring a

823
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: guy in, he can go get guys to the portal.

824
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll have some instant success with a new coach.

825
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on that, So two things.

826
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 6: I'm not a Mike Gundy fan. I don't agree with

827
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 6: a lot of the things he does and says. But

828
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 6: I do feel like he's earned the respect to wait

829
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 6: till the end of the year to fire him. But

830
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 6: with what you said, mark the days of building a program,

831
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 6: the days of developing players, it's over, Like it's completely over.

832
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 6: It pains my heart as a old school lover of

833
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 6: college football. I still reminisce about the Southwest Conference the

834
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 6: new day and age. If we're going to be truthful

835
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 6: is what can I get from the program, and the

836
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 6: program saying what can we get from the kid right now?

837
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 6: That's why you're seeing guys that were three star recruits

838
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 6: four or five years ago not getting the offers that

839
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 6: three star recruits typically get because these colleges they're just

840
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 6: recruiting from different different universities. You'll have a school, and

841
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 6: I don't want to put any schools out there, but

842
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 6: a mid major school. They're recruiting the second string, third

843
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 6: string guys from Alabama Tennessee who aren't playing, but you

844
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 6: know they're talented. And then you have the big time

845
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 6: Alabama schools they're recruiting the mid major star who's proven

846
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 6: that he can play in the SEC. Because as a coach,

847
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 6: if you only have two or three years to prove yourself.

848
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 6: Do you want this seventeen eighteen year old kid that's

849
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 6: very talented, or do you want this twenty one year

850
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 6: old who's played three years of college football and he's

851
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 6: ready to step right in. So it's the wild wild West,

852
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 6: and it's all about getting what you can from the

853
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 6: program and the program getting what they can from the kid.

854
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 6: And even though it doesn't matter money wise, I feel

855
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 6: like the players are truly missing out. Like you know,

856
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 6: I'm fifty years old now and I still talk to

857
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 6: my Rice brothers. I don't call them my former teammates.

858
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 6: Black White has bantered, those are my Rice brothers because

859
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 6: we spent years together, you know, going through the ups

860
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 6: and downs brinding where you know, kids now, if they've

861
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 6: been in college for two three years, half their class

862
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 6: is gone, like literally half their class has moved on,

863
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 6: and they're not you know, forming those bonds.

864
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: I know of a coach, for fact, I know a

865
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: coach of a team that's in the top ten right

866
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 3: now that has been coercing kids into the transfer portal,

867
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: alerting them saying, hey, I got bags for you if

868
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: you want them. I got bags for you if you

869
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 3: want them. So if you end up, if you just

870
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 3: happen to end up in the transfer portal at the

871
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 3: end of the season, I'll be ready for you. We'll

872
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: be ready for you. I know for a fact that's happening.

873
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 4: And that is completely and totally ee going.

874
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 3: Against the point once again, gets in the transfer portal. Okay,

875
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: talk to him. But like you said, Indy, there are

876
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 3: a lot there are a lot of coaches that are

877
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: not doing it that way.

878
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 4: What was the coach?

879
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: Who is the coach who was saying in this day

880
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: and age, this is bad for the kids because the

881
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: four year college experience is still so important. Most of

882
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: these kids aren't going to the NFL. Even if they are,

883
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: they need the degree, They need the network that they'll

884
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: build with the campus, students, their co their colleagues on campus,

885
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: if you will, and the whole satisfaction and the results

886
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: you'll getting that degree.

887
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 4: You know who you know who said it?

888
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: Who's one of the biggest opponents to what and how

889
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 3: the system is is Lane Kiffen. But Kiffin and stupid

890
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: Kiffin's like, I'm gonna still go get guys. Let's still

891
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: go get guys. Which, by the way, if you guys

892
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: want to you guys want to read into a story

893
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: this week, Lane Kiffin's daughter has been apparently dating LSU's

894
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: All American linebacker and they play.

895
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 4: This week this week wit weeks.

896
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: Well, maybe she's doing a little work as a spy.

897
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 4: That's that's pretty good. That's good. That's good stuff right there. Yeah,

898
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 4: that could be the.

899
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: Late Lane sets her up with the linebacker to mess

900
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: with his head. That's in All Timer if that's true.

901
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 4: It's All Timer. That's team. And yeah, George, he's got

902
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 4: two brothers.

903
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all three on the team, and they all

904
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: played in the game against who they beat recently at home.

905
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 4: They beat Florida, Florida. Yeah, Florida.

906
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: They all played because one got tossed out because of targeting.

907
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 3: The other one comes in and he sprains ankle, so

908
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: they brought into third one at the end.

909
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 4: Of the game. He played the rest of the game.

910
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: And Brian Kelly's like, well, he didn't know what he

911
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: was doing, but he was at least a week's brother,

912
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 3: and we had to put him in.

913
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 6: I met him last year when they played Baylor in

914
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 6: the Yeah, yeah, that's why. That's the only reason I

915
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 6: remember them. Just great kids. Yes, no, sir, just fun

916
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 6: to talk to. And that's your brother over there, and

917
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 6: he's oh, yeah, then he gave me his story. Oh

918
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 6: that that's cool. I didn't hear that story. So good

919
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 6: for good for them.

920
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, with Weeks, the one who injured got injured here

921
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: in the bowl game. He's the All American art he's

922
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: a good player, good player. And there have been some

923
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 3: pictures of uh Loomis Kiffin and him on a canoodling.

924
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 4: This noodling, it's awesome. I love college football. Is that

925
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 4: the PG word for this? Yeah?

926
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: Well, canoodling. Well that's okay, that's okay, that's what we'll

927
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: call it. Andy, Thanks so much for the time. As

928
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: we gear up for Tennessee on Sunday. Final thoughts Titans

929
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: Texans Sunday, no look ahead factor because you're zero in three.

930
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: Can't be, can't exist, right.

931
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 6: I mean, this is this game is huge because of

932
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 6: what's going on the first three games. I mean, this

933
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 6: is obviously the biggest game of the year. But when

934
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 6: you factor in your record, when you factor in, it's

935
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 6: another divisional game. When you factor in, I'm still expecting

936
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 6: the Texans to go to the playoffs this year. So

937
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 6: this is a this is a musha name. I hate

938
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 6: to say it in week four, but this is a

939
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 6: mushapen game.

940
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 4: We are where we are and d thanks a lot.

941
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 4: All right?

942
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: Coming up the big AFC South news of the day,

943
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: and it doesn't involve the Houston Texans. Okay, they made

944
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: news of course with CJ. Gardner Johnson being released, but

945
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: we've got other off as well involving this Sunday's opponent.

946
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: That's next here on Texans Radio. Final thoughts here on

947
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: Texans All Access with the CJ. Gardner Johnson news breaking

948
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: earlier today? Was that the biggest AFC South news of

949
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: the day? Or is it the Titans Johnny changing play callers?

950
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: Is Brian Callahan under a lot of heat right here?

951
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: His team O went three after a rough year last year,

952
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: they ended up with the number one overall picking the

953
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: draft cam Ward, he's gonna go with Bo Hart Agree,

954
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks coach, hopping over the offensive coordinator. He's the

955
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 1: head coach calling plays. Brian Callahan, Now he's gonna skip

956
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: the OC nick holes and go to Bo Heart Agree.

957
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 4: Your thoughts on that.

958
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 3: Interesting because why would you name a guy your offensive

959
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: coordinator and then go way from him, I don't know,

960
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 3: so either way, I don't know either For them, bo

961
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: Heart agree he takes our play calling, Nickoles will still

962
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 3: be involved in the game play way you go. I

963
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: think for Brian Callahan, it feels like one of those

964
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: things that comes out of a Monday GM head coach

965
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: owners meeting owners and they sit down and discuss what happened,

966
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,479
Speaker 3: and then it's like, hey, explain to me what happened

967
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 3: with that whole time out delay a game fuel goal thing,

968
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 3: and it's like, maybe you don't need to be calling

969
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: plays anymore.

970
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 4: Just focus on being the head coach.

971
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: And I say that having listened to his press conference,

972
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 3: because he said that he didn't talk about that moment,

973
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 3: but he talked about, Hey, I was hired to be

974
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 3: the head coach, I need to be doing more head coaching.

975
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: He had never called plays at Cincinnati, which I found interesting.

976
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: You're taking on the head coaching role, which is huge obviously,

977
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: and you're taking on play caller for the first time ever.

978
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 4: Those two things, yeah, you might have makes.

979
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: Me wonder what the hell they were hiring him for

980
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: in the first place. I would hire him if he's

981
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: the leader of men. Look when the Titans hired Vrabel.

982
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: Rabel had only called a defense for one year. It

983
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: was a bad year for the Texans. Everybody got hurt.

984
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna blame that all on him, But when

985
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: he got the job, he decided he wasn't gonna be

986
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: the play caller on defense, right, and he hired Matt

987
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: Lafleur to coach the offense.

988
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: Right.

989
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: Eventually got Shane Bone to coach his defense, yes, and

990
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: Bowen worked with him here. So he actually came in

991
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: with a plan, a much better plan than what Callahan

992
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: had gone in with, and it worked out a lot

993
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: better for him at Tennessee in the early going.

994
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 3: Here's the problem when you become a head coach. What

995
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: you become a head coach. There's so many things swirling

996
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 3: around you. Who do you trust yourself? And that's part

997
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 3: of the problem is, like, I get this big job,

998
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: I want to put people around that I trust. Right,

999
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: That's hard, that's hard. You know what, I'll figure it

1000
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 3: out on the fly. Let me call plays. I trust

1001
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: myself to do it.

1002
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: Was an accomplished play caller. Fine, like may go, Ryan

1003
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: is accomplished defensive play caller. He's gonna still do it.

1004
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: Great Kubiak accomplished offensive play caller.

1005
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 4: He is gonna still do it?

1006
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: Fine, yeah, fine, But if you're a guy who's never

1007
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: done it before and now you're doing two things, it's

1008
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: obviously not working out well for him. Easy to analyze

1009
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: the Titans problems. We've got our own here all we three.

1010
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: But that'll be interesting to see how that works out.

1011
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: Because I brought this up with Nick Cassario and maybe

1012
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: Demiko Ryans too. That cam Ward, look, you're only three

1013
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: games in. The unpredictable is still out there. He might

1014
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden irrupt or something you never know.

1015
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Caleb Williams, just Williams just had a hell

1016
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: of a game against the Dallas Calboy.

1017
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 4: There's four touchdowns. Are you allowed to do that?

1018
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: Well?

1019
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 4: I mean we have four reds. I mean that's rough. Okay,

1020
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 4: it's it hurts a lot.

1021
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: We joke because it hurts, that's right, And we want

1022
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: to see better results. And I got a feeling we're

1023
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: gonna see better results. But we all got to see

1024
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: it together. I mean, until you see it, you don't

1025
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: see it all right. Other news, Jackson Dart taking over

1026
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: as QB from the New York football games, Jackson Dart,

1027
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,479
Speaker 1: Yeah you think so. Neighbors, Okay, Kim Scattaboo could be fun.

1028
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: I like Scataboo, you know, I liked him.

1029
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 3: I saw a tweet the other day that was hilarious.

1030
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: It was like, in New York, Daniel Jones almost got

1031
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: Brian Dable fired. Now in Indianapolis, Daniel Jones might get

1032
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 3: Brian Dabele fired.

1033
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 4: It's but Dable gave Stiken the formula.

1034
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: Really, did you get a great running back and Daniel

1035
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Jones together?

1036
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: They did?

1037
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty two. Yeah, he did some really good things.

1038
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 4: And that's what the culture doing.

1039
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: Through three games, Johnny, three games, we're not there yet.

1040
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 4: It's nobody. Well, Denver's not nobody. Or you should have

1041
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 4: won that game. They should not have That's the one

1042
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 4: game they should have won.

1043
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: We can talk more about this tomorrow. You can give

1044
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: me your hot take on the AFC West.

1045
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 4: I will give you that one.

1046
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: Because Denver the Chargers, Okay, great, but who are the

1047
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: AFC West teams really? The Raiders really we expected more

1048
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,959
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs one and two. I know it looked

1049
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,479
Speaker 1: good Monday or Sunday whatever that was Sunday night against

1050
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: the Giants. But look a lot of water to go

1051
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: under the bridge. Okay, and that applies to your Texans

1052
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: two fans, because Texans have the Titans Sunday at noon

1053
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: right here International Day at NRG Stadium, and then find

1054
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: out more the following week. Don't look ahead, you have

1055
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: no right to look ahead. Vandermeir oh and three facing

1056
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: oh and three Tennessee and they beat you here last year.

1057
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: Get it done Sunday, that's the show. Matchup is next.

1058
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: Have a great night, Go Texans.