1 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 2 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: bug bitten in my case, underwear lessening podcast. You can't 3 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: predict anything. This is gonna be an extremely fast short 4 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: not fast because it will pass. The time will pass 5 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: in the same way it always does, but this duration 6 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: will be shorter. This is a short podcast episode digital 7 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: radio program. Um. First thing is is a quick bit 8 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: of business. Johnnie, you were there. I want to follow 9 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: because we had a recent episode where we were talking 10 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: about at length about lead shot non toxic shot, and 11 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: the ban on using lead for waterfowl hunting all those 12 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: years ago, right? And what precipitated that conversation? Am I 13 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: using that right? Right? I don't. I don't know. What 14 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: initiated that conversation was? Uh that I had ran into 15 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: a feller down in Kansas who explained to me that 16 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: he was an engineer, spent his whole life in munitions, 17 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: and was telling me that lead contamination in ducks is 18 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: a crock of ship. Wasn't buying it, wasn't at all 19 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: buying it. And uh, as as a way of getting 20 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: into this subject, he said to me, how many times 21 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: have you opened up a duck's gizzard and found a 22 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: piece of shot. The thinking being that ducks, uh, you know, 23 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: ducks need scratch or grit, right, because they have a gizzard. 24 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: Everything has a gizzard eats little bits of rock and 25 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: and they and it pulverizes their food inside their gizzard, 26 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: and the the rock eventually crumbles away a road's way 27 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: and their gives and they just pass it like whatever. 28 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: When you see birds picking on the side of the road, 29 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: they're picking up scratch or grit. He was saying, how 30 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: many times we actually opened a duck skizzar and found 31 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: a piece of shot. I was like, that's a hell 32 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: of a good point. Now, what happened to me the 33 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: other day? Honest, you open a gizzard we found a 34 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: piece of shot? Yeah, And I said, and I put 35 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: this thing up on social media, which I cannot stand. 36 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: For the most part, I like it, but like the audio, 37 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You put something up in 38 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: nine dudes like huh, right, and they just go on 39 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: with whatever they got going on that day. Yeah, they 40 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: go that that's interesting. I learned something. And there's some 41 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: dude it just like all of a sudden has ex 42 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: to grind and he's like, oh yeah, them lefties, I'm like, no, 43 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: hold it. All I'm saying is I found a piece 44 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: of lead shot and it gives it. It It was offensive 45 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: to him that I would have told the truth of 46 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: what I saw. Do we check to see, let was 47 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: it lead versus it was? Yeah, it was malleable. So 48 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. I mean, and 49 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: someone brought up to make They said, make sure that 50 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: you didn't it wasn't shot in there, as in, like, yeah, look, 51 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: you know why I saw the gizzard. It was perfectly fine. 52 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: You know, we would have seen a whole of it 53 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: had been shot. Plus. I mean, imagine that it gets 54 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 1: shot in such a way that the lead passes through 55 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: the thick muscular wall of the gizzard, the gizzard lining, 56 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: and then somehow stops in the actual pocket along with 57 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of gravel. I tell you why more people 58 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: aren't finding shot inside their gizs. They don't need their gizzards. 59 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: That's right, one a million shot. It's a good point. 60 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: That was Mark Boardman. Ladies and gentlemen, Mark, want to 61 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: introduce yourself. I'm Mark Boardman with vortex optics, and I 62 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: wanna compliment Steve when has one a million shot doc 63 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: on getting that pellet inside the gizzard and then um too, 64 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: as though dealing cards. Then there's a dirt myth howny 65 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: folks who got terribly lost in the coastal rainforests Cording, 66 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: or so we thought. Turned out he was not lost 67 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: and was just documenting with his camera. Um, the the 68 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: taking and dismembering of a sick of black tailed buck 69 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: by one Mark. What's your middle name? Robert? One Mark? 70 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: Are both? Uh? Mark our boardman? Correct eagle eye in 71 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: the fog, spotted a deer in the intense fog. There's 72 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 1: a little super out there, very soupy, classic black tail 73 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: habitat what foggy bushy, sneaky little box they are sneaky. 74 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: Five days Mark spent five days looking for buck right 75 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: six six virtu the all day, virtually all day every day. Uh. 76 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: Then the lavine eagle. Now Rick, hey there, I tried 77 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: to I put out a call for ladies, um for Rick, 78 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: and he picked up a couple of Instagram followers, he 79 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: was saying after that, which was good, but then he 80 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: said most of them having to be guys. So again 81 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: it's a call for ladies for Rick. You're still available, Rick, Yeah, 82 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: And going on, I mean a little little movement. Another 83 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: single guy, not uh on from Rick not not terribly 84 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: fired up about finding a lady? Is cal Bryan Callen 85 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: right other priorities? Yeah, here's right. If you're a lady 86 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: listening and you want to move into a recently remodeled 87 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: condo in the posh Ski town, catch him Idaho and 88 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: be Cal's lady. You need to understand that cal uh 89 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: will not refuses to do what he calls checking in. 90 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: He does not like. He does not like checking in. 91 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: He will let you know when there's something you need 92 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: to know. Until then you may not hear from him. 93 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: If that is suitable to you, Ryan call am catching 94 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: anything else you want to say about your what you're 95 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: looking for in particular with a lady, you know you're 96 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: not really I don't think there's any coming back from 97 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: that intro. So we'll just he doesn't like to check in. 98 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: He doesn't like to. He just kind of wants to 99 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: go about his business and sort of mosey around the 100 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: country at will. Yeah, especially and not have to hear 101 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah. Now this isn't saying that, you know, 102 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: if this gal wants to do that with me, that's great. 103 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: But if she does not. We can just just abolish 104 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: ahead of time where I will be and that'll that'll 105 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: be that it's for her benefit. You don't wanna warrior 106 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: expecting a check in. She just knows you're good. Yeah, 107 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: unless you check in? Yeah, how does your lady deal 108 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: with that? Steve checking in? You? You are you a 109 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: do you check in more? You know? I travel so 110 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: much and it's been for so long, and that was 111 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: kind of the circumstances under which we met. So we 112 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: have certain cobing mass mechanisms that we do. I do 113 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: not do a rigorous check in. UM. My wife seldom 114 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: takes my calls when I'm on the road. I know 115 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: that if the problem arises, I'll get worried about it. 116 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: We do a lot of very short text messages when 117 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: we get the chance. But if I go, um, four 118 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: or five days, it would be it would be smart 119 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: to me to check in. And I know that she 120 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: probably won't accept the call because she's probably a little 121 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: bit annoyed at me. UM, but I'll know that it's cool. 122 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: And one of the things she says is she says 123 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: to me, because I used to come home right and 124 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: I wanted everybody that would be a party and balloons 125 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: and you know, and my wife says, if it's not 126 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: a big deal when you go away, and I don't 127 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,119 Speaker 1: like it to be a big deal when I go away, 128 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: all right, I just like get up out the door. 129 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: You know, she says, if it's not a big deal 130 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: and you go away, it cannot be a big deal 131 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: when you come home, meaning when you walk in the 132 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: door your asses on, yep, kiddos. Yeah, it's like it 133 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what happened. When the baby gives his morning 134 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: like hello from his little crib. There you're running down 135 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: the hall and it's you know, it's not like all 136 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: I'm just sleeping. And my wife said, if you want 137 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: to rest, you need to just tell me you're not 138 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: home and go to a hotel, because because when you 139 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: walk in the door, man, it's like you're making up 140 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: for lost time. Mark. What's your impression of c cucumber 141 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: now that you're a c Q, now that you're a 142 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: c cucumber man, Yeah, I'm an old cumber. Cucumber vet um. 143 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: They are one of the most wild looking creatures I've 144 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: ever laid it on. How would you describe it? Could 145 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: you describe without referring to a male member a disease 146 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: male member, Absolutely not. That's really difficult. Yeah, I guess 147 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: if you severed off a chunk of someone's forearm and 148 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: it was diseased. Those spiny things are so unique. Don't 149 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: look like I don't know what kind of diseases you're 150 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: used to looking at, but boy, I mean cartoonish diseases. Yeah. 151 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: What it looks like is it looks like like, um, 152 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, like if you were watching a movie, like 153 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: an animated movie, and they go and discovered life on 154 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: another planet. You know, because underwater, you know, it's it's drab. 155 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's like a coral reef. Up here it's 156 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: a lot of rock. You know, you're going to water, 157 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: there's like a lot of drab colorations. Right. But then 158 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 1: here's he's red, I mean a sea cucumber, a Doozy's 159 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: a whopper coming out of the water is what twelve 160 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: thirteen inches long? Maybe the bigger net I'd say our 161 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: average is right around the foot long mark, but probably 162 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: eight to fourteen inches. Once they get alarmed, they puff 163 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: up about big around as your wrist, forearm or so. 164 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: They have many many spikes on them. They're red, orange 165 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: is red. Uh. I feel like if you didn't grow 166 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: up in the Northwest, n I don't know the coast 167 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: C cucumber is like, doesn't I don't know somebody from 168 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: the Midwest, ever, sena ce cucumber, Like I don't even 169 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: I don't remember because I'm from the Midwest. I don't 170 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: remember how I like how I conceptualize CE cucumbers. I mean, 171 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: if I would have encountered them in a like when 172 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: we take our kids to the aquarium. Um, they have 173 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: a petting part, right, there's like a petting zoo at 174 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: the aquarium basically, and C c cumbers are one of 175 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: the things kids are allowed to after they washed their hands. 176 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: They're allowed to reach in and kind of like monkey 177 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: with the C cucumbers, which when I took my boy out, 178 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: calam was here the second time I took my boy out, 179 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: harvest and C cucumbers and like you could put a 180 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: harpoon into a whale and it's not going to bother 181 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: that kid. But he does not like you messing with 182 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: C cucumbers. We couldn't really figure out. My theory is 183 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: the it was more a dad's going underneath the water, 184 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: so I think so, But he couldn't figure out how 185 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: to articulate that, like the whole process of yes, yeah, 186 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: it was a lot of you know, dad disappears, he's 187 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: stuck on a boat with the dude with mustach And 188 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: it was that day too. It was wav It was 189 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: how would you call? What were you got? What was 190 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 1: the topic of discussion? Man, we were Jimmy was fishing 191 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: out of the gate, which everything was cool, but then 192 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: we lost the lure and the seas were too big, 193 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: Like it was one of those days that he had 194 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 1: to keep keep the bow pointing. Waves are coming over 195 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: the ast end of the boat, you know, and he's like, 196 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: we'll tie on another lure, like yeah, trying to get 197 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: and every time I'd get up, you know, the boat 198 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: had drift and it was and he's like I'm scared, 199 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: Like nope, nothing to be scared about. Okay, then tie 200 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: on a lure and then it was snacks. You know. 201 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: So it was very it was very simple kids stuff 202 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: that I was like, yeah, but we we hauled up. Yeah, 203 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: so seers when you open a ce C cumber up 204 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: mertal things water weenies, Yeah, yeah, it's like a water 205 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: weenie with with with wordy thorns on it. You open 206 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: them up and you like stick a it's a tube, right, 207 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: and you put your like a flame knife blade in 208 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: and open the roll the tube out like if you 209 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: had a sock land there and you put a blade 210 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: of the sock into the hole that your foot goes 211 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: into and then poked it out the toe part and 212 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: just open that sock up like that. I want to say, 213 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: you're slicing it laterally maybe then it rolls out flat. 214 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: Then it's like like you know what, imagine that you 215 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: cut a tube of You take a toilet paper tube, right, 216 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: and put your knife in one end and open that 217 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: toilet paper tube up and you lay it out flat. 218 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: But instead of rolling it out flat into seeing the 219 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: inside of the toilet paper tube, what you see is 220 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: five strands of muscle that are about like carpenter's pencils. Yeah. Yeah, 221 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: he's got like an intestine in there which just falls away. 222 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: It's not connecting anything. In fact, when a cecucumber panics, 223 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: he can extrude his gut, he can shoot all that out. Um. 224 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: We had a problem the first time when we took 225 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: my boy out harvest and see cy combers. He uh, 226 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: we were putting him in a perforated bucket, and a 227 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: lot of the then the CC combers extrude their guts 228 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: so live it was coming through the perforated bucket holes, 229 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: and I think that he found that a little bit alarming. Um. 230 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: You open it up and there's five strands of muscles 231 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: that seem about like carpenter's pencils, and you take a 232 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: putty knife and you take the pretty knife and just 233 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: scrape away the five muscles and they're joined together. And 234 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: at that point you have a hunk of meat that's 235 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: about like if you your three middle fingers right. It 236 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: kind of puckers up, shrinks down, and you have about 237 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: three million your three middle fingers worth of meat. Cut 238 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: those suns bitches into five strips, and it tastes like 239 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: to me, I think it's it's definitely like more. It's 240 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: not as rigid or rubbery as clams. Has a clam taste. 241 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: I think it's somewhere between clam and scallop. I don't 242 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: really I'm not falling in on I don't yeah feeling calamar, 243 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: but I think it Calamari is like sort of in 244 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: line with Qui carvers. Calamari is kind of like a 245 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: blank slate, you know, like it's kind of you gotta 246 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: like bring something to it. Almost, Yeah, I agree, you know, 247 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: I mean those ones that we had fried without any 248 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: batter on baldies okay, uh, they had a flavor more 249 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: than most calamari. Yeah, like a kind of a sweet 250 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: taste them. They're so good man, you know, like animals 251 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: like adapt you know, like black tails, right, they have 252 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: Obviously there's just some selective advantage in blending in right, 253 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: Like they have a color palette that like is is 254 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: perfect for their environment. Um, I think that that someone 255 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: who who studies such things should look into who grotesquery 256 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: as a selective advantage? Look, so they don't look appeling. 257 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: It's just it's like you look at it and there's 258 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: something deep in you and maybe other creatures feel the 259 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: same way you look at You're like, yeah, like nothing 260 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: good could possibly come of molest in this thing, messing 261 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: with it. Who was the first dude to be like, yeah, 262 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: try this out? How to feel it? And because it's 263 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: not it's not straightforward like you explained on the heart, 264 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: like the processing and once you see those muscles and 265 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: you're like, oh yeah, this is an edible part. But 266 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: the rest of it looks like the muscles. You just 267 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: looked at a bowl. The muscles, you think that someone 268 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: had been shocking clams. Yeah, but see the deal appearance. 269 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: Where we are now where I live full time, I 270 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: live full time in in Seattle. And where we are 271 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: in Seattle, you can they do red tide. They test 272 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: for red tider. You know which is paralytic red title 273 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: give you paralytic shellfish poisoning. And it's a um dinal flagelight, right, 274 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: It's a dinal flage light that you can that that 275 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: concentrates in the digestive track and and and in the 276 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: muscle of certain bivalve species. And when you eat those, 277 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: you get all sick and die or get real sick. 278 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: Every years someone gets every years, someone somewhere on the 279 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: Pacific coast is dying of parallel shelfish poisoning. Now down 280 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: there you have enough population where they test all the 281 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: beaches all time. So when razor clams are open or 282 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: Manila claims, whatever you're going after, you can look up 283 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: on a on a go to a website and see 284 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: if there's paralytic shellfish poisoning present at the time. And 285 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: they're constantly monitoring it because it can't kill you. The 286 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: first thing that happens is your lips get numb. Uh here, 287 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: you know, because there's no there's no population centers here, 288 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: and monitoring would be impossible because it's just like everything is. 289 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: There's many many shellfish beaches everywhere. They don't test for 290 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: paralleot shellfish poisoning, so you're kind of on your own now. 291 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: While the Native Alaskan's obviously an enormous quantities of shelf 292 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: I don't know how they dealt with that risk. Um. 293 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: There are middens here in this cove, shellfish middens that 294 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: are you know, ten twelve ft high that when you 295 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: dig into is just shellfish shells from the consultant, you know, 296 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: people eating. I don't know if they don't know what 297 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: they did, if it was just a calculated risk, or 298 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: had a taster, like a young gentleman that was chosen 299 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: to be the tasters. See how he did. You talked 300 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: to old timers here and they'll talk about rubbing it 301 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: on their lips and then waiting a while to see 302 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: if it gets tingly. What we've done, Um, what we've 303 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: done is just eat one. Everyone needs one, and then 304 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: twenty four hours later we'll eat more, which is risky 305 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: because they used to say don't eat shellfish and any 306 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: month that does not have and are in it because 307 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: pair of shellfish poisoning is more prevalent in your summer months. 308 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: So May, June, July, August, steer clear of shellfish. But 309 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: I remember a couple of years ago I was reading 310 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: the catch can newspaper. Guy uh died of paralytic shellfish 311 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: poisoning in April, and that damn sure has are in it? 312 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: Is that bringing all this up, it's because you don't 313 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: gotta worry about with ce cucumbers. So even here you 314 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: can sink a canoe with Were you there with Ny 315 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: then one time we were getting butters? Oh yeah, you can. Honestly, 316 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: I mean, back me up. You could sink your canoe 317 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: with clams. You find the right bed, and you could 318 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: with spade just shove them. Now you're just shoveling clams 319 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: into the thing. I mean, you could sink a boat 320 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: with him. But it's so risky. It's like such a 321 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,239 Speaker 1: and it used to pain me that you'd come up 322 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: here and then here's this incredible resource that you're like 323 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: scared shitless to um utilize. But with c cucumbers. Once 324 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: you put a wet suit on, the water is cold, 325 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: you gotta have a five meal websuit. Once you put 326 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: a wet suit on, you can put up more pounds 327 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: of cucumbers. And you can't claims any day as far 328 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: as this actual usable meat. But to me, you can 329 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: see the connection of somebody sees water shooting out of 330 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: the beach, digs up a clam, opens the shell up, 331 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: and sees like a big nugget of meat right there. 332 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine how it came about that somebody grabs 333 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: this c cucumber. And you have got the folks listening. 334 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: You have got to do a search on this, whatever 335 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: your preferred means is, because you gotta you gotta see 336 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: the picture here to understand that. A good idea to 337 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: go look up if you're listening, go look up what 338 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: a c cucumber looks like. If you're not familiar and 339 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: you're not going to make the connection between that and food, 340 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I sure don't whoever that guy was. I'm 341 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: pretty sure you're a woman in a tough spot. It 342 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: could have been a condo of sewer man. I don't 343 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: know the next thing that we gotta eat. And I 344 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: saw a lot down there while we were swimming around 345 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: as urchins. See that that's because I have, you know, 346 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: in sushi places. I have, But I thought you were 347 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: looking for row and that wasn't familiar with what I 348 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: was looking. I don't know. You're just eating the going 349 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: at them almost positive that it's just going. Yeah, because 350 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: there's no the same as c cucumbers, there's no close 351 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: season for recreational divers like like here, you're allowed five scaluts, 352 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: five rocks, scallops. You're a lot more weather vanes, but 353 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: just five scalops. And I don't know. No bag limit 354 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: on urchins, and no bag limits on scu combers because 355 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: they're not utilized. Yeah, I don't know if it's the 356 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: right species that that is just preferred, but no, I'm 357 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: gonna find out. I'm gonna find out. And then you 358 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: just pop them off with a knife and you'd be 359 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: how big were those chins? There's some there's some mons. 360 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: I want look at it right out the window there, 361 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: see that yellow hook or you can't see it. Well, 362 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: there's a few. Um most of them were like sixt 363 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: eight inches across to the top half of the baby's head. 364 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: They're like big, you know, yeah, trying. But then there 365 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,239 Speaker 1: were some monsters like they looked like little cactuses, like 366 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: smaller spines, much bigger. I don't know, Um, you can 367 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: eat this outside of a sea cucumber though, right? Yeah, 368 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: people do, like they dry it down and then reconstitute it. 369 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: But it seems that's like in the Asian markets. Yeah, 370 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: but I don't know. Yeah, I don't know enough about 371 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's kind of like shark fin 372 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: where it's not so much that it's not like, oh 373 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: that the shark fin is good, but you're sort of 374 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: chasing after some kind of some kind of quality, what 375 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: we would call some kind of mystic quality. It is 376 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: like a leather yeah, heavy, heavy rind, but I mean 377 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: closer out of it. Yeah, you dirt myth. Did your 378 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: dad make a wall out of a beaver tail? Yeah? 379 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: I was. I still have that beaver tail from my omen. 380 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I'm gonna following it like a whole 381 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: big purse. Have I told you? Did I ever tell 382 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: you guys a story about the guy all that had 383 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: to eel skin wallet? Yeah? I told that. That's old 384 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: on this year. No, you need. That's how I feel 385 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: about the beaver tail. This guy had a went to 386 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: Hawaii and got an eel skin wallet, and that eelskin 387 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: wallet served him well for seven years. Went back to Hawaii, 388 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: calculated out how many more seven year blocks he was 389 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: likely to be alive, and purchased that many wallets. He 390 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: was so committed to that style of wallet, which I'm 391 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: about to do with the magpole wallet. You guys seen 392 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: this thing, you know I kept when the c cucumber 393 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: skins to do that around? Did you keep it? I 394 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: kept it like that. I neglected it, and then I 395 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: was looking for the little small p Yeah, a photo 396 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: of that. What do you think about over there? Johnnie 397 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: got smirk rocket bad bad laban smirk? Is it about 398 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: the cues? No, not at all. Sea urchin though, is 399 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: another thing. Then when you first look at it would 400 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: be hard to picture of how someone could say, oh, 401 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: let's cut that thing open. Yeah, especially if you ever 402 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: stepped on one or said on one or anything. I 403 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: remember my my my late friend Eric Current, whose pictures 404 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: hanging on the wall above sto over there. We were 405 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: down in Mexico and he hooked a shark on his 406 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: fly rod and the shark snapped him off, and he 407 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: had kind of he was kind of like perched precariously 408 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: on a rock out in the water, and when the 409 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: shark snapped the line threw him off balance and he 410 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: fell and went to catch himself and impaled. It bothered him. 411 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: It bothered him. His hand ached for a year, went 412 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: right onto that urchin, and he tried. You know, he's 413 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: supposed to like piss on and everything, but his hand, 414 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: the nerves and his hand weren't right for a year. 415 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: And I think you could just see him. You could 416 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: look into his hand and see the black see the 417 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: black spikes in his hand, and they eventually just dissolved 418 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: inside his hand, hurting. Um. The cucumbers they live, uh, 419 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: from what's called the intertide zone. So a low low 420 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: tide to expose the cucumbers down to eight ft well apens. 421 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: When they're exposed to they don't see. They always stay 422 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: in the water. I've never seen them like out out, 423 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: but they'll be like where you could grab him a 424 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: pair of extra tops and walk out and pick them up. 425 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: But uh, but so we dive in my free diving 426 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: and you don't need to. I never dive any deep. 427 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: How deep was the deepest we went? Eight nine ft? 428 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: I can't I can't go very far. So you gotta clear. 429 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: You gotta clear one time we're at a depth, you 430 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: need to clear once on your way down. I was 431 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: pretty impressed you got that first haul. You, I mean 432 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: you were down for hit the mother patch what I 433 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: thought a bit and you came up with a sack fall. Yeah. 434 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: I'm good for one good breath hold and then it 435 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: just then it gets worse and worse and worse. A 436 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: lot of guys are really good at controlling they're breathing, 437 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: but um did they have a whole little there's the 438 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: thing you're supposed to do at the surface, you know, like, uh, 439 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: prevent if you're good at Yeah, you get a risk 440 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: watch out and you do a paste breathing, and there's 441 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: this whole thing. I just kind of go like and 442 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm good and that dive. But there's 443 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: a science to it that, you know, Like if I'm 444 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: with people that don't dive, they always be like, man, 445 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 1: you can hold your breath a long time. But I'm 446 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: telling you, for people to do it, it's a fract 447 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: It's I'm down for what people go down for Oh, 448 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I know some folks. You go down, they 449 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: go down to like sixty free diving, free diving, cruise around. 450 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: They're down there, I mean, holding their breath for four minutes. Yeah, 451 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: it was down for like thirty seconds, being like okay, 452 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: I gotta goes it take to get down to sixty meters. 453 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: They go down really fast with big long fins and 454 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: they just control their body and just drop. That's insane. Yeah, 455 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: you like those divers in the Bahamas and stuff that, 456 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: uh don't use weight belts, but they used to just 457 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: have a boat full of rocks, big boulders and when 458 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: you go in, you just grab one of the boulders 459 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: out of the boat and bombs away, holding that boulder 460 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: in your arms. Hit the bottom, drop the boulder. Dude. Ever, 461 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: you gotta do it and go back up to get 462 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: down and hurry. You gotta be able to clear fast 463 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: because you're thinking. But the point being if you're free diving, 464 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: like the cucumbers have such a range if you're free dive. 465 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: But I don't think you can really overexploit the resource recreationally. 466 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: There is a commercial harvest up here in the winter 467 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: for c cucumbers which is what initially got me intrigued 468 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: on it. What's the ratio you think rough? Guess volume 469 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: out of the water too percent body weight low? Yeah, 470 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: they look big before he started. Well, they swell up 471 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: and they retain. Yeah, it's like that's the thing if 472 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: you it's actually probably pretty high. If they weren't full 473 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: of the water. It's once you caught them into water 474 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: drains out. Yeah, I don't know. And that skin is 475 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: stout because yeah, like you said, dirt paths wanted to 476 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: make wallet out of it. Yeah, next time, moving on 477 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: to blacktail box Mark, what do you think about all that? 478 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: They're cool? Deer man? So you grew up on blacktails? 479 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: That was you're like, it was that the first dear 480 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: you ever killed? Yeah? Absolutely. You're born in Washington State, 481 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: born in Washington on the west side of the state, 482 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, I grew up hunting blacktails with my my dad, 483 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: grandfin brother. We'd hunt the west side of the state 484 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: and in those days, logging was up and running. You 485 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: guys were hunting clear cuts, right, Yeah, we'd hunt a 486 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: lot of gated logging road systems, so we'd like, how 487 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: does that work? Like timber companies on it yep, yep, 488 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: So different timber companies. And in most of the areas 489 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: we'd like to hunt, we're gated, so it kind of 490 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,239 Speaker 1: keep closed the vehicles. Yeah, yeah, so we'd take our 491 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: mountain bikes in and so you can farther in than 492 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: the dude walking. You could get further, faster, quieter we 493 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: rode up on deer before, Like I think they don't 494 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: recognize that quiet, little hiss of attire versus you know, 495 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: like walking, you know, and generally pretty gravelly road a 496 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: little bit noisy, you know. And yeah, so we'd watch 497 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: a lot of clear cuts in the mornings and in 498 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: the evenings, um find little cat roads, little older bottoms, 499 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: little sneak spots to still hunt through. So doing the 500 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: mid day does wait, you could maybe try and push somewhere, 501 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, find a little thicket where you think there 502 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: might be a buck betted up and put some people 503 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: on the other side. You know. But and and it 504 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: all worked, you know, I mean I'm not I shot, 505 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: you know, not a ton of them, but I'm not 506 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: sure I shot too many of them the same way twice. Yeah, 507 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: So if you're doing it when you're hunting, like the cuts, 508 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: like that could you expect to see you deer every day. No, 509 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: So it wasn't like now now when you're hunting white 510 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: tails in Wisconsin, were like, you're probably gonna see a deer. Yeah, yeah, 511 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: I mean if you saw if you saw a deer 512 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: in a day, even if it was a dough like cool, 513 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: good day, you know. And a lot of the cuts 514 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: that we liked though, weren't like super fresh. You know, 515 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: you wanted one that was fairly growing up, you know, 516 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: maybe three, three to six, maybe eight years old, where 517 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: you've got kind of those, Um, it's just those smaller, 518 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: you know, immature fur trees and just more brows has 519 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: come at that point. I think the deer feel more 520 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: secure hiding, but they can still hide, but there's lots 521 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: of good feed because the sunlight is getting in there. 522 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: I can't imagine it takes eight years of growth for 523 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: these things to hide. I mean, oh my god, they're small. 524 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: I think that would and I think that would be 525 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: on the top end when when you'd be probably kind 526 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: of getting done. You know, once those trees get ten 527 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: years old, they're pretty big big. Like the guy the 528 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: clear cuts here are all growing up now, you know, 529 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: they're in the starting out making a new one not 530 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: far from here. But the clear cuts here everybody talks about. 531 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: I feel like they're saying that it was they get 532 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: good at seven or eight years good hunting. Yeah, Like 533 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: it takes a while, right, it takes a while, and 534 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: then they're good for almost a decade and then or 535 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: two then they're overgrown. I mean it's probably, but here's 536 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: the thing, it's probably, like, you know, it's probably regionally 537 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: variable because here it's like, you know, held a lot 538 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: more rain but much colder, So it could just be 539 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: a different situation. Do they replant the clear cuts up here? 540 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: I don't believe, So I could be wrong on all this, 541 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: And you know, I always want to back up and 542 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: saying that I'm taking what a lot of I'm taking 543 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: things that a bunch of different guys that I know 544 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: up here have told me they probably are. There's some 545 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: contradiction within there, but there's sort of like a window, right, 546 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: like they take a while to get good, and they're good, 547 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: and they cease to be good, not that they cease 548 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: to be good habitat it's just they cease to be 549 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: good hunting because they get once it's six ft high, 550 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: you know, you just can't see. You can't see, you 551 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: can't see through it, and it's tough to walk through it. 552 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: Oh the boats here, yeah, can you guys do the 553 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: load then we'll thanks. I got a question real quick. 554 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: Are the black tail in Washington? And do they blend 555 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: in as well as he's Like you said, the only 556 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: thing you see out here is like a flash of 557 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: white's a little bit of patch do they have on there? 558 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: I mean i'd say yeah. I mean they're very some 559 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: as far as the way they look. You know, these deer, 560 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: these Sitka black tails are you know, smaller statured, you 561 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: know than the than the Columbia blacktails, which probably makes 562 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: them even harder to find because they're smaller, you know, 563 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: they get buried in the brush even easier. Um, but 564 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: I mean pretty a lot of similarities, but definitely some 565 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: some differences as far as just just the way the 566 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: country is out here a little bit like you don't 567 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: at least where we're at. I mean, you don't have 568 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: those you know, logging roads where you can kind of 569 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: snake your way through and get on top and you know, 570 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: really cover some ground quick, you know, like we'd pick more. 571 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: What we were doing here was like more of like 572 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: an all day hunt. You know where they're wo'd be like, Okay, 573 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ride here. I'm to watch this clear cut 574 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: for this long. Then I'm gonna go over here and 575 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,959 Speaker 1: I'll go sneak this little You're kind of doing kind 576 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: of different hunts throughout the day, not just going to 577 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: work in some area with a lot of bush whacking 578 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: and moving in towards little spots. Here's a little factoid. 579 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: We went Me and Mark, Mark and I Me and Mark. 580 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: That's how I want to say it. That's not what 581 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: it is. You wouldn't say me went to a No, 582 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: I think it's me. You're wrong, Mark and I all right. 583 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: I went to a Mark and I went to a 584 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: There there's a great like No, this is like, this 585 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: is not a no. You can mess up the order. 586 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: You can mess up the order. I'm terrible grammar, so no, 587 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: I rely on you for grammar questions. I have no idea. 588 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: I just listened to a few podcasts I like, and 589 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: I don't remember him, but I like listening to him 590 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: about about grammar and and words. Okay, but then you 591 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: can hand or ignore. This is a diversion. We went 592 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: to Rival High schools we did. Yeah, it's been what 593 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: you've been leading up to talk about. Yeah, that's what 594 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: in in Washington, the Mark and I was to set 595 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: up you guys went to rival high schools. That was 596 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: your anecdote anything else? Do you know that Rick was 597 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: the high school mascot Wolverines? I did. I wore. I 598 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: wore that outfit you dressed up as a It was 599 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: a Yeah, it was a wolverine. It was full, full, 600 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: amazing outfit with a big head, super hot, you'd always 601 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: get out of it, super sweaty. But nobody knew. Nobody 602 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 1: knew that it was me. What what are your buddy's? 603 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: She was like, you ever notice you're never like with 604 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: Rick when that wolverine is out there, That's exactly right, 605 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: Like Rick's like, I gotta go to hot Dog. And 606 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,959 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden was a wolverine dancing around. 607 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: There was wolverine runs back inside, and all of a 608 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: sudden Ricks like back of the hot dog. Sweaty though. Yeah, 609 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: so at football games against Newport, I was probably wearing 610 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 1: a freaking wolverine no fit. So you've seen him before. 611 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: I probably had well I didn't know, you know, because 612 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: he had he was scared. Yeah, I was. I was 613 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: running what was Newport? What was your guy's mascot? We 614 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: were the Knights, all right, are the Rockets. But because 615 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: Rick and I went to rival high schools, it's been 616 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: really difficult for me to get along with them all week. 617 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: I kind of I carry that with me to the 618 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: old defeats and victory. I still wearing my letterman's jacket. Yeah, 619 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: I mean this, this is really fascinating. Oh yeahest what 620 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: do you think about odor? He used to always be 621 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: the life of the party because I can juggle. You know, 622 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: Rick over here, he's quite the performer. I can only 623 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,760 Speaker 1: do three items. Rick over here can juggle flaming sticks 624 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: five at a time. In Knives, I wrote the cycle 625 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: with the wolverine outfit on releast to back to Ladies. 626 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: I think about that. Doesn't lay out of evening. Let 627 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: me lay out of the evening with Rick. Maybe listen 628 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: to a podcast about uh linguistics. Just perfect, nuggle up, 629 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: Let's do a little linguistics. Learn a couple of things 630 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: that Rick will probably forget. Cook up some cucumbers and 631 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: he's bringing home uh Ricks, then gonna he might put 632 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: a costume on that he might put a suit and 633 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: and then uh, who knows what's next? Cook you up 634 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: some I picked up no tid bit about Rick's personal 635 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: if it out there all of a sudden, beautiful, we're 636 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: gonna make it. Is intrigued by the idea of co 637 00:36:54,280 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: home ownership. Understand what that means fine in my mind, 638 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: and never imagine buying a home as a single dude. 639 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: But I mean I have a hard time picture that 640 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: as well. Even I know a lot of guys that 641 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: have done it that was just not that's just not 642 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: on the radar, but it probably will become more on 643 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: the radar. It's like a woman and pitch in for 644 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: a house. I mean, that's like kind of what like 645 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: married people do. Yeah, it's like a yeah, the right 646 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: woman obviously. Yeah, but you bought cars, you bought a camera, 647 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: that's true, that's true. You didn't wait for the right 648 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: one to come along. The domestic space is like this. 649 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: Certainly it's a financial thing, but it needs a dog. 650 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: I've gone too much. Cat. I think with all this 651 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: this costume, you'll be buying that house with somebody sooner 652 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: than you think. That's I think there's maybe some crossover 653 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: between the mediator listeners and the costplay folks. What do 654 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: you think go over in still like costume people. Oh yeah, 655 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: it could be. But the problem is the reason we 656 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: can't send women to Rick and Cal is because I 657 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: don't think a lot of there's a lot of women listening. Yeah, 658 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of Pete women who are 659 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 1: already involved with the fella, and that's why they're listening 660 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: because he's playing it. Well, we need some listener responses. Well, 661 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: I mean that's exactly why we can talk. It's like 662 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: a guy's club on here. You can talk about whatever 663 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: he wants. I don't come on this pod. Get out, Steve, 664 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: I know you do me really no, no, no, it's 665 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,800 Speaker 1: not your motivation. Your motivations like to wrestle with ideas. 666 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: That's right, to live a life in the mind. But 667 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 1: I got how much fun it would be a couple 668 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: of years down the line, we could do a podcast 669 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: and we'd be like, yeah, we're just sitting there and 670 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: then she called that I did it. I put those 671 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: out there, and then we're like recording over at Rick 672 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: and his new wife's house. You know, talk about full 673 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: circle now, Rick, uh Now the media to the TV 674 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: shows up on Netflix. Lisa's like thirty two or thirty 675 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: six episodes on Netflix, just waiting to be consumed. Did 676 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: you shoot me those? No, so we can't send any 677 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: ladies to watch out your work. No, but but Mexico, Cus, dear, 678 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: you shot that that. If it's not up, all radio 679 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: should be up anytime. I thought that was season seven seven. 680 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,760 Speaker 1: I think it's five and six or up on Netflix. 681 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: There's a six and seven. But I just say that 682 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm part of the brand, part of the Mediator brand 683 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,479 Speaker 1: like that. But I'm just trying to think of ways 684 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: that ladies can go see your handiwork. It's very abstract 685 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: because it's like you're just watching something you filmed and 686 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: they don't know what you know. Know, the TV shows 687 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: like two camera guys, sometimes three camera guys, they can 688 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: they can see me in my full reality television Amazing 689 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: Nous on NBC's The Island, Were you naked on that 690 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: a lot? No? I got I think the only time 691 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: I'm on camera with my shirt off, I got bit 692 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: by an I'm having a little bit of allergic reaction, 693 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: is there right? What kind of ants fire ants? Yeah? 694 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: It hurts. Yeah, I'm allergic to yeah, I don't like them. No, 695 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: I mean I don't mind him, but they don't do 696 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: They don't too many? Uh good When it comes to 697 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: was this your first blacktail hunt? Uh? No, really second? Yeah, 698 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: because he's up the high country with us his fall. Yeah, 699 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,879 Speaker 1: totally different. Well, we went up there just to check 700 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: it out. So do you like, uh, what do you 701 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: like better? Haven't had them both very recently. Do you 702 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: like blacktailed liver cooked in the butter with caramelized onions 703 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 1: or slow cooked grilled ribs better? I think the ribs 704 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: were better. I would say the ribs in terms of 705 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: typical meat consumption, tasted like something I would eat at 706 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 1: a restaurant. It just tasted like great meat. The tender Yeah, 707 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: the ribs, and then the liver is like, oh that's 708 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: really interesting taste scene. It's really good. But it's like, 709 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: I don't know the difference. But in terms of not 710 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: more day meal, yeah, not every peculiar, yeah, more nuanced, 711 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: which Jannice is very hit hit and mass with the 712 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: liver I've I've found. Did you enjoy the black tail liver? 713 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: He won't know he was. He was like, because I 714 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 1: always say that I used to like what I liked 715 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 1: about your honest I liked him was we had a 716 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: we had shared experiences basically for years. Anything I had 717 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 1: gone and hunted, roughly four years exactly. Anything I had 718 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: gone hunted, you were there, So there was never like 719 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: a gap. Right now, I'm always like, hey, you know 720 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 1: how we were just and He's like, I wasn't there, 721 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: And it's caused like a real disconnect between me and 722 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: Yanni strain the relationship. Like I'm like, hey, you know 723 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: how we're just eating that. He's like, no, I wasn't 724 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: there his knee surgery. I know you do it a 725 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: lot too, and it really but I gotta say that 726 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: it was really hard on me emotionally to not have 727 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: to for there to be a gap in our knowledge. 728 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 1: It's hard on emotional now, it's hard on you physically 729 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: because that niece got me moving so that now the 730 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,240 Speaker 1: halls ask that dude knees got speaking of those ribs, 731 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: so you know, they're so good. And I gotta say 732 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: I was telling cal after we ate them. I think 733 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: I was telling you like I'm almost yeah. We were 734 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: talking about it about how like the ten years ago 735 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: i'd have like the backstrap and the like the like 736 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: the bitch and roast out of the rear. Ham used 737 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,360 Speaker 1: to all go first, and I would hoard those chunks. 738 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: And now it's like that you contradicted yourself there. I'm 739 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: sorry they didn't. You said you'd hoard them, but they'd 740 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: go first. Well, i'd hold him for myself, like I 741 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't be whatnot? And now it's like just because I've 742 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: learned how to prepare the chunks of meat to have 743 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: the collagen right in him and all that stuff that Like, 744 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: because a great line last night, do you remember it? 745 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: If it doesn't have a tendon in it? I almost 746 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: don't want to eat, which I think is No, that 747 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 1: was you man, I said that. Yeah, nice good work. 748 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: But yeah it's uh. It just makes wild game so 749 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: pleasurable and silky and never dry dry you know, next 750 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: shanks front shoulders, ribs, ribs don't. I don't know what 751 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 1: you're missing. We uh he the boat. He just ducked 752 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: around the corner, so he's gonna be coming back. We 753 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,759 Speaker 1: better get broken down. Maybe we'll tie this in with 754 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: another shorty. No, I don't know, Maybe it doesn't matter. 755 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 1: Does they need retribution? Like when are we gonna play 756 00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: on the black tailt I'm so hardheaded, I I want 757 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: to do another October hunt, like I need out. Maybe 758 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 1: will can hunt one day. What happened to the hunt 759 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: ultimately turned out good, ultimately trying good. But what happened 760 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: was uh you know here about uh you know you 761 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: different people have their different theories about what peak, like 762 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: when the rut, when the breeding season kicks in full balls, 763 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,280 Speaker 1: and when when the breeding season kicks in full balls, 764 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: the bucks are up and about more. They they're a 765 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: little bit they operate with a little bit more a bandon, 766 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, the less cautious. They're more likely to come 767 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 1: into calls like noises you use that mimic the sound 768 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: of fawns um and distress, and the bucks are just 769 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: like amped up looking for other deer and just you know, 770 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,879 Speaker 1: going crazy. Now everybody says like, oh, the first week 771 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: of November, and other people say, uh, well, no, that's 772 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: total bullshit because it's first half of the second week 773 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 1: of November. Um. But what everyone agrees on is October sucks. 774 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: And after two October blacktail hunts, I might I'm beyond 775 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: I'm done thinking it was just a fluke. I think 776 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: it hunting blacktails in October is very difficult. They're not 777 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 1: up in the High count like man like man days. Uh, 778 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,360 Speaker 1: user days like they do for the National Force for 779 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,440 Speaker 1: an outfit, or we probably put in we don't have 780 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: two groups put we put in thirteen user days this week. Yeah, 781 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: and then last time we're in the high country. You know, 782 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 1: we argued about this the r night, that situation. There's 783 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 1: that hunt right, Yeah, no, no, we still saw some deer, 784 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 1: but it still wasn't a good hunt. It's like we're 785 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 1: we're struggling, you know, especially for the amount of sign 786 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: we were seeing here. We're here yesterday kind of a thing. Yeah, 787 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: hunting in August. Yeah, it's just like you kind of 788 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: wish there weren't so many of the mountain about because 789 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 1: it feels like, no, I want to stay easy, but 790 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: it feels like, yeah, borderline easy August. I gotta say 791 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 1: some in the right area. Just as a camera just 792 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: as a camera operator watching the hunt, I feel like 793 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,800 Speaker 1: I'm with cal like this hunt was awesome because of 794 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,440 Speaker 1: how difficult and rare was to even get a glimpse 795 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: of a tracker. I mean, it wasn't it wasn't the 796 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,800 Speaker 1: best time to get it quick kill or Phil Freezer. 797 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,880 Speaker 1: But but I've never been so excited to see poop. Yeah, exactly, Like, 798 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, there is fresh scat in this trail. 799 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 1: Yeah that I mean that, no scene rubs and we're like, oh, 800 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: that's a fresh rub. They're actually here. Yeah. Yeah. The 801 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,880 Speaker 1: you just talked about seeing fresh deer droppings reminded me 802 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 1: of Dirt Myths story about his buddy that um that 803 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 1: got uh was using the restroom and then throughout the 804 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: day I couldn't tell why he was smelling um awful smell, 805 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: and I realized that he had somehow landed some on 806 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 1: his the shoulder portion of his suspenders. Whenever hang love 807 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,840 Speaker 1: that every time he looks to the left, he's like, 808 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: what is that smell on that? Note, we gotta get 809 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: on a plane until next until next time. Tune in 810 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:37,879 Speaker 1: next time.