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And it just so happens that this year 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:33.640 we've got teams like Duke and Rutgers, Kansas, even Vandy 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.520 that are potentially going down that long wiggled road that 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:41.200 is a drive for six. So gonna do that here momentarily. 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:42.360 But before we. 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:48.640 Do, Dan, I can't yell today. 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:50.520 I don't got the energy breaking. 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.520 Herb Edwards fired shortly after we hit the stop button, 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:02.800 as per usual on the Sunday recap episode. Thankfully, we 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.560 had the foresight to preempt it a little bit at 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.800 the very end of the episode by giving ourselves some 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.600 contingent season the event that Herm or Brian Harson or 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:16.000 hel Kirk Farrens got the axe. Indeed, Herm was fired 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.279 potentially on the field. I don't know if you saw 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:21.599 that clip, looks like maybe it happened on the field. 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.839 He took it like a man. But this was pretty 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.080 much an open secret that it was going to happen. 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:31.599 We were just waiting for it to occur. This one, 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:35.799 of course, happens after the loss to Eastern Michigan. Naturally, 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.080 you've got articles out there. I've got one in front 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.719 of us from Dennis Dodd, our friend from CBS Sports 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.039 with eleven potential candidates. Should I read through some of 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:50.240 these names for you, that's sure. Absolutely Matt Rule. That 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:55.160 rule always would be a win. Always named in conjunction 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.600 with the college game Byron Leftwich, the current offensive coordinator 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.719 for the Tampa Bay Bucks, Dan Mullend currently with ESPN. 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:06.240 Also Tom Herman, currently studio analyst. We've got Todd Monkin, 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:10.160 the offensive coordinator for Georgia, Hugh Freeze, the much maligned 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.640 head coach at Liberty, Brian Harson, the currently and still 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:18.640 much aligned head coach at Auburn, Dion Sanders coach, prime 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:24.679 head coach at Jackson State, Mike Norvell at Florida State, 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.880 Justin Willcox, who just keeps getting on these lists despite 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:30.839 the fact that we've seen the offense the last couple 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.960 of years, head coach at Cal and Rick Neuheisel, if 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.520 only because he lives in the area. God, So those 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:41.120 are eleven names, Dan, of those eleven names outside of 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:42.880 Matt Rule, which I think would be a huge win, 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:45.760 I don't know if that's likely to happen. You know 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:47.359 where I stand on Matt Rule. I think he's the 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:49.520 next head football coach at Penn State. If and when 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:54.279 James Franklin leaves right. But beyond rule, who would clearly 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.520 be a win. Of the other ten names here, who 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.840 is of interest to you? Of them? 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.480 None of them are of interestable. So here's okay. Here 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.880 are the particulars. I do not think Arizona State is 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:10.360 a bad job. I don't think it's an average job. 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.520 I think it's an above average job that perhaps when 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.520 you see job lists or you see the fact that 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.440 college football media people spend time in Phoenix, and they 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.880 wonder to themselves, why doesn't every top kid go to 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:24.320 Arizona State, And they think Arizona State is a bigger job, 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:27.960 perhaps or a more attractive job than it actually is. 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.200 I think it's a pretty good job. Now, the changing 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.560 landscape of the PAC twelve ten in the future, and 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:38.400 the changing landscape of whatever happens with the NCAA investigation 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:43.880 into alleged improprieties on the recruiting trail, it seems like 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:48.440 you are going to need somebody young, hungry, and can 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.719 turn chicken shit into a chicken sandwich because the roster 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.760 is going to be in a place that might not 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:57.719 be super attractive for a year or two. Now, you 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:02.080 can always upgrade things quickly via the and Arizona state 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.040 is a place where you can attract talent from southern California, 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.760 from the West Coast, from other parts of the country 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:11.600 that aren't necessarily looking like what Arizona looks like later 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.800 on in the season. It's an attractive place geographically. It's 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:18.320 a big campus. They upgraded facilities relatively recently. There is 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:24.720 a history of some success, but infrastructure internally wise, right now, 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:26.480 who's going to be the ad moving forward? Is it 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.560 a long term Ray Anderson thing? Who brought in his 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.280 close personal friend and former client, Herm Edwards. Is he 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:35.080 going to be making that decision? I don't know, Maybe, 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.400 maybe not, And so there is there are the number 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.400 of question marks involved in the job make it interesting 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:46.280 and so generally speaking, with jobs like this, going retread 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.440 doesn't work out. You can ask your neighbor to the 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.280 south and Tucson with how it worked out with Kevin Sumlin. 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.360 Now there were highs and lows with rich Rodriguez, for sure, 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.520 but I thought he was in a hungrier place than 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:01.280 Kevin Sumlin when he arrived in Tucson. So no, they're 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:02.680 going to be a number of names. But like the 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.560 ones that you mentioned don't do much for me. I'd 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.080 like to see somebody getting that early opportunity, be it 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.400 a high profile coordinator, be it somebody with a connection 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.480 to the school or at least connection to the West coast, 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:16.800 so you feel like can hire relatively well, you know, 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.560 coming up from the Mountain West. Obviously, we saw Brent 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.440 Brennan's name come up for the Arizona job and the 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.520 success he's had at San Jose State, so that would 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.160 be a come up job for him a San Jose State, 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.440 a place that traditionally has not had a ton of success. 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.360 So I think it's a good job. I think you 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.839 can go into California and recruit a bunch of high 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.679 level three star kids and some four star kids that 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:40.800 you know, the LA schools or Oregon whatever, like, it's 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.040 a different experience. You can go away to Arizona if 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.400 you're from southern California, you're from northern California, whatever. I 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:50.280 think there's plenty of talent. The uncertainty around conference, I suppose, 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.760 is a thing more for a school like Arizona State 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.480 than for Oregon or Washington, because the general sentiment is 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.000 that they're going to land somewhere bigger than whatever the 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:02.959 long term prognosis is for West Coast football. But I 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.320 don't know. I think you can win in Tempe. I 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:09.240 think with the right guy, and that's true of anywhere basically, 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.800 but I think specifically there. As the talent level has 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.680 increased in the state of Arizona, which it has, it 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.920 absolutely has, the Arizona schools have not done a successful 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:20.599 job keeping that talent at home. You look, you know 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.120 b Jon Robinson and Spencer Rattler. Oregon's done a tremendous 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.000 job recruiting Arizona talent. Obviously, USC has a history of 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.760 doing it as well that geographically, it's in a tough 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:33.360 place to want or to convince kids to stay home with, 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.280 you know, Texas not terribly far away. The California schools, 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:40.400 Oregon whatever, Washington has had success in Arizona. So I 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:44.440 just think the right smart guy, which is very easy 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:48.320 to say without naming a specific name, But everybody can 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.880 succeed at somewhere, well, no everybody can succeed at a 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.040 place that's set up in the way that Arizona State 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:58.560 is set up, with the with the right surrounding investment. 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:02.520 So in terms of Matt rule, could succeed at Nebraska, 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.680 could succeed at Arizona State. Sure, but this is not 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:07.800 the point of his career in which he's coming up 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.959 from Temple right, this is not his like proving ground 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:15.640 point of his career, which is different. So as I 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.840 look around the West Coast, there's nobody really assistant wise 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.120 at USC that jumps out to me or UCLA. Arizona 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.360 did a good job finding Jedfish with his connection to 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.679 the West Coast and the way he hired aggressively, I 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:30.400 think is is pretty great. Kenny Dillingham's name has come up. 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.640 He's very young, but he has that ASU connection. I 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.920 think he is from Arizona and went to ASU. He's 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:39.960 thirty two. He's called plays for three weeks. But again, 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:44.000 thinking like that, yeah, I think is a more successful 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.720 way about going about your business. Well, so the I 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:49.360 think it's a solid B plus job. 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.560 Yeah, I mean the point that keeps coming up, and again, 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.400 I think there is a lot to be learned about 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:59.680 this exact circumstance here, what somebody is walking into. But 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.160 the common threat, if there is one among all the 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.760 reports that I've seen, is ASU was willing to spend 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.960 whatever resources to make football more of a priority, to 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.199 get it out of the proverbial gutter. Everybody says that, 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:15.880 literally everybody says that after they fire a coach, So 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:17.600 you don't take much from that. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.839 But they spent on those facilities. They did spend in 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.400 the facilities. They raised the money they spent like they're 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.239 trying to keep up and be aggressive. That the actions 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:29.800 are backing up the words. And I think that's my point. 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:34.480 So regardless of what the circumstance is with the administration, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.600 there has been at least a fairly recent track record 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.880 out in Tempe for investing in the football program, and 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:42.800 so we'll see here. I mean, I'm not enamored with 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:43.400 any of these names. 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.000 I think Matt Ruhle will be a huge win, but 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.960 I'm not convinced he wants to leave the NFL unless 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.480 they kick him out of the NFL. Byron left which, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.360 of course is an interesting name. Brian Byron Leftwich should 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.600 be an NFL head coach now and it's going to 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.880 happen before long. So I don't think college is in 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.480 the cards for him. I'm interested in Tom Herman. I'm 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.640 interested in Tom Herman. I know you said about retreads 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.360 to him. I like Jonah Hill, like, I don't know. Yeah, 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:09.880 I tell you though, I'll give you a second. He's 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:10.960 from southern California. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.200 I understand. Uh has the Texas connections continue? 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.559 It just feels like his star faded so quickly after 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:21.480 a meteoric rise, given what he did at Ohio State 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.360 and then got the Texas job and that kind of 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:27.040 went poorly, as you would be a much different circumstance 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.280 than what he had at Texas. But Herban's a guy 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.560 that's interesting. Another thing that's interesting to me. And then 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:33.880 we're going to move on to you know, one or 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.760 two other mini news tidbits here. If they're going to 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:40.160 put Hugh Freeze on the list, given the controversy around 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.760 Hugh Freeze, why not put Urban Meyer on the list too, right, 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:47.080 Like you would think a program that is under investigation 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.880 for whatever would want to steer clear of any other 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.440 potential controversy by hiring a coach that perhaps has a 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.360 toxic name. Hugh Freeze is on the list, why not herbs? 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.160 Why not herb just throw them on the list? 0:12:59.400 --> 0:12:59.600 Right? 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:00.000 Why not? 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:04.160 Right? So, Okay, I'm looking at Bruce Felman's list. Obviously 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.120 this is like his beat the coaching circles and the 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.600 coaching hiring world. Whose list did you go off of? 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.640 I went off with Dennis Dodd. Okay, I'm gonna take 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:17.480 mine over yours. Sorry. He has Jeff Jonathan Smith, who 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.439 is a legacy and a proud Alama Star quarterback from 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.640 Oregon State, so you can understand his emotional tized to 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.920 Oregon State might be more difficult to pull out an 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:31.520 existing successful Oregon State coach. Kalani Sataki interesting, but they're 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.440 going to be a major conference team in short order, 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:40.280 so Arizona State is a bigger job to me than BYU, 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:44.360 but still like he has his connection to BYU as well. 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:46.960 Charles Huff is an interesting man so that he just 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.000 became very familiar with as a Notre Dame fan. Now 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.760 thank you, still very early on in his tenure, but 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.440 his ability to recruit the roster in the Sun Belt, 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.400 I would probably say another year too, because he's still 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:03.040 relatively young. But I don't think age is as much 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.440 a barrier as it used to be. So Charlestoff is interesting, 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:09.320 though his experience in footprint is not on the West Coast. 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.640 Sean lewis another younger guy who's done good things at 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:15.200 ken State offensively, especially younger guy. I don't hate the 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:19.120 Todd Munkin name just because he hasn't had that proved 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.400 experience at a major place. He was at Southern miss 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.240 and did a good job turning them around. And now 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.960 you can sell people on the like gets In Bennett, Yeah, 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.880 stets In Bennett, and just the tutelage of Kirby Smart 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.200 and the Georgia DNA and the way that like Dan Lanning, 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.480 got himself opportunities and ended up at Oregon in some 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.120 part because of that. Barry otom I'm seeing obviously his 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:42.560 head coaching tenure didn't go terrifically well at Miszoo. But 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.240 somebody else who I think has a pretty strong name 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.760 in the industry. I've seen Bill O'Brien, Alex Grinch, Jeff Grimes, 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:53.840 Casey Dunn all come up. I think when you mentioned 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:58.240 Tom Herman, I think it's fair to say, and this 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.440 is I don't want to speak out of turn. I 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.440 think it's fair to say that you'd think he'd have 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:07.840 more opportunities that would come out Tom Herman's interviewing for this. 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.360 Tom Herman is the guy that they're honing in on 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.480 for this job. You'd think that there would be more 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.280 interest given the success he had at Texas when he 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.880 did have success, the success obviously he had at Houston, 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.600 and the success as a coordinator Ohio State success on 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:27.960 the recruiting trail, that there's something behind the curtain. There's 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.560 something behind the curtain. There's always going to be, you 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.560 know the other side of this, the whispers about oh, 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.600 he's this, he's that, and sometimes not specific to Tom Herman. 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:42.680 That's the reason why an obvious candidate for a lesser 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.960 job than Texas isn't as obvious as it seems, and 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.560 so you're always gonna hear whispers about guys. But I 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.000 think that's something probably with regard to Herman. 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:57.120 Unfortunately, unfortunately, and double unfortunately is the fact that this 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.720 is not going to be the last in season firing. 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.520 I think there are more on the way. We've heard 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:07.000 rumors of Jeff Collins at Georgia Tech, Brian Harrison, you'd 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.000 have to believe is another guy on thin ice. I 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.400 believe that they're going to get this cycle started early. 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.160 Just the way US seeded last season, I could expect 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:16.640 there's going. 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:17.160 To be more of this. 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:21.120 So, yeah, we're going to have to continue taping our 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.800 contingency plans at the end of our Sunday recap show. 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:28.360 Depending on what happens. Yeah, I think somebody with especially 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:34.280 strong connections to California or Texas would be helpful as 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:38.000 a starting point for the next Arizona State head coaching job, 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:42.880 or have the opportunity or have the ability and personality 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.280 to attract guys with that background. 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:47.800 I have one other bullet point here before we get 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:53.200 to our game, Djore, this is breaking, quote unquote breaking 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.560 per Brett McMurphy of Action Network. Yeah, just a little 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.120 bit before we hit the record button here, the Bedlam 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:03.880 series betwe in Oklahoma Oklahoma State officially off starting in 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.600 twenty twenty five when Oklahoma makes it official and jumps 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:09.920 over to the SEC. I don't know if this comes 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.359 is in great surprise. We've seen this often when teams 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:17.439 move conference. The first casualties are generally the rivalries that 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.560 we love among college football. It is one of the 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.879 big bombers, perhaps the biggest bummer when we've got this 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.879 conference realignment going on. Beside the fact that this is 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.520 all underpinned by money, and I don't know if any 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.679 of us college football fans like to think in those terms, 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:35.120 but losing a rivalry is something that is very tangible, 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.919 and especially a game as great as Bedlam. This fricking sucks. 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:43.000 This sucks. I can't even uugh. I love this game 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:44.879 every year, and I know they've moved it around a 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.440 little bit, and you know, to try and accommodate the 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:49.399 Big Twelve championship and not have it on back to 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.119 back weeks and what have you. But the fact that 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.199 we're losing games like this, I think is going to 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:58.960 be the biggest black guy for any wide scale, mass 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:01.560 scale conference relign and beyond what we've already seen. 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:07.520 Agree, and Oklahoma fans would say, look, all we did 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.080 was beat them ninety eight percent of the time. Like, 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.159 what's the novelty in it at this point? Like we 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.280 kind of know what's going to happen almost all the time. 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.679 Although correct me if I'm wrong with Oklahoma State is 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.800 on a current winning streak in this rivalry game. Actually correct, yes, 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.280 And the Oklahoma coach may have left in the wake 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.600 of it in no small part because of the way 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:27.000 that they lost that game and the way that the 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:30.600 disappointing season ended last year of parentheticals, the d parentheticals, 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.320 who's who's to say, who's to say? Astricies and parentheticals. 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.560 In Oklahoma state fans, you have the hope every year 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.600 of turning around the trend of losing to Oklahoma all 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.840 the time. And then from a national standpoint, people who 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.080 just enjoy big college football games, we lose one of 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.920 the best and whatever. You wanted to find a rivalry 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:53.520 as it's a rivalry. Oklahoma fans consider texas their biggest rival, 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.359 and that's fine, but there's a certain amount of energy 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.160 and emotion tied to bedlam that you're just not going 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:03.400 to get, at least not for a long time, between 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:08.919 Oklahoma and Arkansas, Oklahoma and Tennessee, Oklahoma and Auburn, Oklahoma 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.479 and Florida. However this works out. I know Oklahoma has 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:13.840 a history with some of these teams that they're going 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.800 to play in the SEC, but this is in state. 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.679 This is a certain amount of energy that like we 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:24.520 are trying to now compress everything into a pretty good spot. 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:27.040 Everybody's eight and four and maybe we'll have some new 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.000 bad blood arise. I don't know. I just when you 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:34.879 start taking these emotional and energetic elements out of the sport. 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:39.520 It sort of depersonalizes it. Everything is a TV show, 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:44.199 nothing has history, nothing has specific energy to it, or 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:49.080 it takes a while, and this is how we let 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:53.120 it all happen. I mean, when we're questioning in ten, fifteen, 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:57.040 twenty years, like, huh, sports just kind of seems more 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.080 antiseptic without some of these rivalry games. And look, we 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.320 get some of them back, right, we have the Backyard 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.840 Brawl back and it's more of a novelty than a 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:07.480 thing that you can set your calendar to. 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:11.119 Better than nothing. But I don't know, it's a bummer. 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:13.280 It's all sad, still sad. It's a bummer. 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.240 I mean, we're in a North Korean video to this game, 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:21.080 which people thought that was real. I know people did 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.000 think that was great. It's a bummer. 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.400 It's just a big bummer again. Per the report from 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:32.679 Brett McMurphy, neither athletic Department with any imminent plans to 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:36.679 start up the rivalry beyond twenty twenty five. They're not 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:38.640 ruling it out at some point in the future. I'm 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:40.520 sure they will play at some point in the future, 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:43.840 maybe a playoff game that'd be wild, but at least 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.200 for the time being. Starting in twenty twenty five, the 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.760 move over to the SEC claims another rivalry victim. 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:51.320 I guess we could always hope in the way that 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:53.560 Texas and Texas A and M seem like they're going 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:55.720 to meet more often than they have lately now that 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:58.520 they're going to be in the same conference. There's always 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:01.720 hope that when the SEC expands to thirty seven teams, 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:06.000 at one of those expansions will include Oklahoma State and 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:08.879 they'll be forced to be in the same room together again. 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.040 But I don't know. This is what has always attracted 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:16.280 me to always attracted me to the sport is the 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.879 Taylor Swift bad blood of it all. Then you and 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:23.320 especially like the in state stuff, especially getting Florida Florida State, Clemson, 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:26.000