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Speaker 2: But before we.
Speaker 1: Do, Dan, I can't yell today.
Speaker 2: I don't got the energy breaking.
Speaker 1: Herb Edwards fired shortly after we hit the stop button,
Speaker 1: as per usual on the Sunday recap episode. Thankfully, we
Speaker 1: had the foresight to preempt it a little bit at
Speaker 1: the very end of the episode by giving ourselves some
Speaker 1: contingent season the event that Herm or Brian Harson or
Speaker 1: hel Kirk Farrens got the axe. Indeed, Herm was fired
Speaker 1: potentially on the field. I don't know if you saw
Speaker 1: that clip, looks like maybe it happened on the field.
Speaker 1: He took it like a man. But this was pretty
Speaker 1: much an open secret that it was going to happen.
Speaker 1: We were just waiting for it to occur. This one,
Speaker 1: of course, happens after the loss to Eastern Michigan. Naturally,
Speaker 1: you've got articles out there. I've got one in front
Speaker 1: of us from Dennis Dodd, our friend from CBS Sports
Speaker 1: with eleven potential candidates. Should I read through some of
Speaker 1: these names for you, that's sure. Absolutely Matt Rule. That
Speaker 1: rule always would be a win. Always named in conjunction
Speaker 1: with the college game Byron Leftwich, the current offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: for the Tampa Bay Bucks, Dan Mullend currently with ESPN.
Speaker 1: Also Tom Herman, currently studio analyst. We've got Todd Monkin,
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator for Georgia, Hugh Freeze, the much maligned
Speaker 1: head coach at Liberty, Brian Harson, the currently and still
Speaker 1: much aligned head coach at Auburn, Dion Sanders coach, prime
Speaker 1: head coach at Jackson State, Mike Norvell at Florida State,
Speaker 1: Justin Willcox, who just keeps getting on these lists despite
Speaker 1: the fact that we've seen the offense the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, head coach at Cal and Rick Neuheisel, if
Speaker 1: only because he lives in the area. God, So those
Speaker 1: are eleven names, Dan, of those eleven names outside of
Speaker 1: Matt Rule, which I think would be a huge win,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's likely to happen. You know
Speaker 1: where I stand on Matt Rule. I think he's the
Speaker 1: next head football coach at Penn State. If and when
Speaker 1: James Franklin leaves right. But beyond rule, who would clearly
Speaker 1: be a win. Of the other ten names here, who
Speaker 1: is of interest to you? Of them?
Speaker 2: None of them are of interestable. So here's okay. Here
Speaker 2: are the particulars. I do not think Arizona State is
Speaker 2: a bad job. I don't think it's an average job.
Speaker 2: I think it's an above average job that perhaps when
Speaker 2: you see job lists or you see the fact that
Speaker 2: college football media people spend time in Phoenix, and they
Speaker 2: wonder to themselves, why doesn't every top kid go to
Speaker 2: Arizona State, And they think Arizona State is a bigger job,
Speaker 2: perhaps or a more attractive job than it actually is.
Speaker 2: I think it's a pretty good job. Now, the changing
Speaker 2: landscape of the PAC twelve ten in the future, and
Speaker 2: the changing landscape of whatever happens with the NCAA investigation
Speaker 2: into alleged improprieties on the recruiting trail, it seems like
Speaker 2: you are going to need somebody young, hungry, and can
Speaker 2: turn chicken shit into a chicken sandwich because the roster
Speaker 2: is going to be in a place that might not
Speaker 2: be super attractive for a year or two. Now, you
Speaker 2: can always upgrade things quickly via the and Arizona state
Speaker 2: is a place where you can attract talent from southern California,
Speaker 2: from the West Coast, from other parts of the country
Speaker 2: that aren't necessarily looking like what Arizona looks like later
Speaker 2: on in the season. It's an attractive place geographically. It's
Speaker 2: a big campus. They upgraded facilities relatively recently. There is
Speaker 2: a history of some success, but infrastructure internally wise, right now,
Speaker 2: who's going to be the ad moving forward? Is it
Speaker 2: a long term Ray Anderson thing? Who brought in his
Speaker 2: close personal friend and former client, Herm Edwards. Is he
Speaker 2: going to be making that decision? I don't know, Maybe,
Speaker 2: maybe not, And so there is there are the number
Speaker 2: of question marks involved in the job make it interesting
Speaker 2: and so generally speaking, with jobs like this, going retread
Speaker 2: doesn't work out. You can ask your neighbor to the
Speaker 2: south and Tucson with how it worked out with Kevin Sumlin.
Speaker 2: Now there were highs and lows with rich Rodriguez, for sure,
Speaker 2: but I thought he was in a hungrier place than
Speaker 2: Kevin Sumlin when he arrived in Tucson. So no, they're
Speaker 2: going to be a number of names. But like the
Speaker 2: ones that you mentioned don't do much for me. I'd
Speaker 2: like to see somebody getting that early opportunity, be it
Speaker 2: a high profile coordinator, be it somebody with a connection
Speaker 2: to the school or at least connection to the West coast,
Speaker 2: so you feel like can hire relatively well, you know,
Speaker 2: coming up from the Mountain West. Obviously, we saw Brent
Speaker 2: Brennan's name come up for the Arizona job and the
Speaker 2: success he's had at San Jose State, so that would
Speaker 2: be a come up job for him a San Jose State,
Speaker 2: a place that traditionally has not had a ton of success.
Speaker 2: So I think it's a good job. I think you
Speaker 2: can go into California and recruit a bunch of high
Speaker 2: level three star kids and some four star kids that
Speaker 2: you know, the LA schools or Oregon whatever, like, it's
Speaker 2: a different experience. You can go away to Arizona if
Speaker 2: you're from southern California, you're from northern California, whatever. I
Speaker 2: think there's plenty of talent. The uncertainty around conference, I suppose,
Speaker 2: is a thing more for a school like Arizona State
Speaker 2: than for Oregon or Washington, because the general sentiment is
Speaker 2: that they're going to land somewhere bigger than whatever the
Speaker 2: long term prognosis is for West Coast football. But I
Speaker 2: don't know. I think you can win in Tempe. I
Speaker 2: think with the right guy, and that's true of anywhere basically,
Speaker 2: but I think specifically there. As the talent level has
Speaker 2: increased in the state of Arizona, which it has, it
Speaker 2: absolutely has, the Arizona schools have not done a successful
Speaker 2: job keeping that talent at home. You look, you know
Speaker 2: b Jon Robinson and Spencer Rattler. Oregon's done a tremendous
Speaker 2: job recruiting Arizona talent. Obviously, USC has a history of
Speaker 2: doing it as well that geographically, it's in a tough
Speaker 2: place to want or to convince kids to stay home with,
Speaker 2: you know, Texas not terribly far away. The California schools,
Speaker 2: Oregon whatever, Washington has had success in Arizona. So I
Speaker 2: just think the right smart guy, which is very easy
Speaker 2: to say without naming a specific name, But everybody can
Speaker 2: succeed at somewhere, well, no everybody can succeed at a
Speaker 2: place that's set up in the way that Arizona State
Speaker 2: is set up, with the with the right surrounding investment.
Speaker 2: So in terms of Matt rule, could succeed at Nebraska,
Speaker 2: could succeed at Arizona State. Sure, but this is not
Speaker 2: the point of his career in which he's coming up
Speaker 2: from Temple right, this is not his like proving ground
Speaker 2: point of his career, which is different. So as I
Speaker 2: look around the West Coast, there's nobody really assistant wise
Speaker 2: at USC that jumps out to me or UCLA. Arizona
Speaker 2: did a good job finding Jedfish with his connection to
Speaker 2: the West Coast and the way he hired aggressively, I
Speaker 2: think is is pretty great. Kenny Dillingham's name has come up.
Speaker 2: He's very young, but he has that ASU connection. I
Speaker 2: think he is from Arizona and went to ASU. He's
Speaker 2: thirty two. He's called plays for three weeks. But again,
Speaker 2: thinking like that, yeah, I think is a more successful
Speaker 2: way about going about your business. Well, so the I
Speaker 2: think it's a solid B plus job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the point that keeps coming up, and again,
Speaker 1: I think there is a lot to be learned about
Speaker 1: this exact circumstance here, what somebody is walking into. But
Speaker 1: the common threat, if there is one among all the
Speaker 1: reports that I've seen, is ASU was willing to spend
Speaker 1: whatever resources to make football more of a priority, to
Speaker 1: get it out of the proverbial gutter. Everybody says that,
Speaker 1: literally everybody says that after they fire a coach, So
Speaker 1: you don't take much from that.
Speaker 2: But they spent on those facilities. They did spend in
Speaker 2: the facilities. They raised the money they spent like they're
Speaker 2: trying to keep up and be aggressive. That the actions
Speaker 2: are backing up the words. And I think that's my point.
Speaker 2: So regardless of what the circumstance is with the administration,
Speaker 2: there has been at least a fairly recent track record
Speaker 2: out in Tempe for investing in the football program, and
Speaker 2: so we'll see here. I mean, I'm not enamored with
Speaker 2: any of these names.
Speaker 1: I think Matt Ruhle will be a huge win, but
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced he wants to leave the NFL unless
Speaker 1: they kick him out of the NFL. Byron left which,
Speaker 1: of course is an interesting name. Brian Byron Leftwich should
Speaker 1: be an NFL head coach now and it's going to
Speaker 1: happen before long. So I don't think college is in
Speaker 1: the cards for him. I'm interested in Tom Herman. I'm
Speaker 1: interested in Tom Herman. I know you said about retreads
Speaker 1: to him. I like Jonah Hill, like, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I tell you though, I'll give you a second. He's
Speaker 1: from southern California.
Speaker 2: I understand. Uh has the Texas connections continue?
Speaker 1: It just feels like his star faded so quickly after
Speaker 1: a meteoric rise, given what he did at Ohio State
Speaker 1: and then got the Texas job and that kind of
Speaker 1: went poorly, as you would be a much different circumstance
Speaker 1: than what he had at Texas. But Herban's a guy
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Another thing that's interesting to me. And then
Speaker 1: we're going to move on to you know, one or
Speaker 1: two other mini news tidbits here. If they're going to
Speaker 1: put Hugh Freeze on the list, given the controversy around
Speaker 1: Hugh Freeze, why not put Urban Meyer on the list too, right,
Speaker 1: Like you would think a program that is under investigation
Speaker 1: for whatever would want to steer clear of any other
Speaker 1: potential controversy by hiring a coach that perhaps has a
Speaker 1: toxic name. Hugh Freeze is on the list, why not herbs?
Speaker 1: Why not herb just throw them on the list?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: Right? So, Okay, I'm looking at Bruce Felman's list. Obviously
Speaker 2: this is like his beat the coaching circles and the
Speaker 2: coaching hiring world. Whose list did you go off of?
Speaker 2: I went off with Dennis Dodd. Okay, I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: mine over yours. Sorry. He has Jeff Jonathan Smith, who
Speaker 2: is a legacy and a proud Alama Star quarterback from
Speaker 2: Oregon State, so you can understand his emotional tized to
Speaker 2: Oregon State might be more difficult to pull out an
Speaker 2: existing successful Oregon State coach. Kalani Sataki interesting, but they're
Speaker 2: going to be a major conference team in short order,
Speaker 2: so Arizona State is a bigger job to me than BYU,
Speaker 2: but still like he has his connection to BYU as well.
Speaker 2: Charles Huff is an interesting man so that he just
Speaker 2: became very familiar with as a Notre Dame fan. Now
Speaker 2: thank you, still very early on in his tenure, but
Speaker 2: his ability to recruit the roster in the Sun Belt,
Speaker 2: I would probably say another year too, because he's still
Speaker 2: relatively young. But I don't think age is as much
Speaker 2: a barrier as it used to be. So Charlestoff is interesting,
Speaker 2: though his experience in footprint is not on the West Coast.
Speaker 2: Sean lewis another younger guy who's done good things at
Speaker 2: ken State offensively, especially younger guy. I don't hate the
Speaker 2: Todd Munkin name just because he hasn't had that proved
Speaker 2: experience at a major place. He was at Southern miss
Speaker 2: and did a good job turning them around. And now
Speaker 2: you can sell people on the like gets In Bennett, Yeah,
Speaker 2: stets In Bennett, and just the tutelage of Kirby Smart
Speaker 2: and the Georgia DNA and the way that like Dan Lanning,
Speaker 2: got himself opportunities and ended up at Oregon in some
Speaker 2: part because of that. Barry otom I'm seeing obviously his
Speaker 2: head coaching tenure didn't go terrifically well at Miszoo. But
Speaker 2: somebody else who I think has a pretty strong name
Speaker 2: in the industry. I've seen Bill O'Brien, Alex Grinch, Jeff Grimes,
Speaker 2: Casey Dunn all come up. I think when you mentioned
Speaker 2: Tom Herman, I think it's fair to say, and this
Speaker 2: is I don't want to speak out of turn. I
Speaker 2: think it's fair to say that you'd think he'd have
Speaker 2: more opportunities that would come out Tom Herman's interviewing for this.
Speaker 2: Tom Herman is the guy that they're honing in on
Speaker 2: for this job. You'd think that there would be more
Speaker 2: interest given the success he had at Texas when he
Speaker 2: did have success, the success obviously he had at Houston,
Speaker 2: and the success as a coordinator Ohio State success on
Speaker 2: the recruiting trail, that there's something behind the curtain. There's
Speaker 2: something behind the curtain. There's always going to be, you
Speaker 2: know the other side of this, the whispers about oh,
Speaker 2: he's this, he's that, and sometimes not specific to Tom Herman.
Speaker 2: That's the reason why an obvious candidate for a lesser
Speaker 2: job than Texas isn't as obvious as it seems, and
Speaker 2: so you're always gonna hear whispers about guys. But I
Speaker 2: think that's something probably with regard to Herman.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, unfortunately, and double unfortunately is the fact that this
Speaker 1: is not going to be the last in season firing.
Speaker 1: I think there are more on the way. We've heard
Speaker 1: rumors of Jeff Collins at Georgia Tech, Brian Harrison, you'd
Speaker 1: have to believe is another guy on thin ice. I
Speaker 1: believe that they're going to get this cycle started early.
Speaker 1: Just the way US seeded last season, I could expect
Speaker 1: there's going.
Speaker 2: To be more of this.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, we're going to have to continue taping our
Speaker 1: contingency plans at the end of our Sunday recap show.
Speaker 2: Depending on what happens. Yeah, I think somebody with especially
Speaker 2: strong connections to California or Texas would be helpful as
Speaker 2: a starting point for the next Arizona State head coaching job,
Speaker 2: or have the opportunity or have the ability and personality
Speaker 2: to attract guys with that background.
Speaker 1: I have one other bullet point here before we get
Speaker 1: to our game, Djore, this is breaking, quote unquote breaking
Speaker 1: per Brett McMurphy of Action Network. Yeah, just a little
Speaker 1: bit before we hit the record button here, the Bedlam
Speaker 1: series betwe in Oklahoma Oklahoma State officially off starting in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five when Oklahoma makes it official and jumps
Speaker 1: over to the SEC. I don't know if this comes
Speaker 1: is in great surprise. We've seen this often when teams
Speaker 1: move conference. The first casualties are generally the rivalries that
Speaker 1: we love among college football. It is one of the
Speaker 1: big bombers, perhaps the biggest bummer when we've got this
Speaker 1: conference realignment going on. Beside the fact that this is
Speaker 1: all underpinned by money, and I don't know if any
Speaker 1: of us college football fans like to think in those terms,
Speaker 1: but losing a rivalry is something that is very tangible,
Speaker 1: and especially a game as great as Bedlam. This fricking sucks.
Speaker 1: This sucks. I can't even uugh. I love this game
Speaker 1: every year, and I know they've moved it around a
Speaker 1: little bit, and you know, to try and accommodate the
Speaker 1: Big Twelve championship and not have it on back to
Speaker 1: back weeks and what have you. But the fact that
Speaker 1: we're losing games like this, I think is going to
Speaker 1: be the biggest black guy for any wide scale, mass
Speaker 1: scale conference relign and beyond what we've already seen.
Speaker 2: Agree, and Oklahoma fans would say, look, all we did
Speaker 2: was beat them ninety eight percent of the time. Like,
Speaker 2: what's the novelty in it at this point? Like we
Speaker 2: kind of know what's going to happen almost all the time.
Speaker 2: Although correct me if I'm wrong with Oklahoma State is
Speaker 2: on a current winning streak in this rivalry game. Actually correct, yes,
Speaker 2: And the Oklahoma coach may have left in the wake
Speaker 2: of it in no small part because of the way
Speaker 2: that they lost that game and the way that the
Speaker 2: disappointing season ended last year of parentheticals, the d parentheticals,
Speaker 2: who's who's to say, who's to say? Astricies and parentheticals.
Speaker 2: In Oklahoma state fans, you have the hope every year
Speaker 2: of turning around the trend of losing to Oklahoma all
Speaker 2: the time. And then from a national standpoint, people who
Speaker 2: just enjoy big college football games, we lose one of
Speaker 2: the best and whatever. You wanted to find a rivalry
Speaker 2: as it's a rivalry. Oklahoma fans consider texas their biggest rival,
Speaker 2: and that's fine, but there's a certain amount of energy
Speaker 2: and emotion tied to bedlam that you're just not going
Speaker 2: to get, at least not for a long time, between
Speaker 2: Oklahoma and Arkansas, Oklahoma and Tennessee, Oklahoma and Auburn, Oklahoma
Speaker 2: and Florida. However this works out. I know Oklahoma has
Speaker 2: a history with some of these teams that they're going
Speaker 2: to play in the SEC, but this is in state.
Speaker 2: This is a certain amount of energy that like we
Speaker 2: are trying to now compress everything into a pretty good spot.
Speaker 2: Everybody's eight and four and maybe we'll have some new
Speaker 2: bad blood arise. I don't know. I just when you
Speaker 2: start taking these emotional and energetic elements out of the sport.
Speaker 2: It sort of depersonalizes it. Everything is a TV show,
Speaker 2: nothing has history, nothing has specific energy to it, or
Speaker 2: it takes a while, and this is how we let
Speaker 2: it all happen. I mean, when we're questioning in ten, fifteen,
Speaker 2: twenty years, like, huh, sports just kind of seems more
Speaker 2: antiseptic without some of these rivalry games. And look, we
Speaker 2: get some of them back, right, we have the Backyard
Speaker 2: Brawl back and it's more of a novelty than a
Speaker 2: thing that you can set your calendar to.
Speaker 1: Better than nothing. But I don't know, it's a bummer.
Speaker 1: It's all sad, still sad. It's a bummer.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're in a North Korean video to this game,
Speaker 2: which people thought that was real. I know people did
Speaker 2: think that was great. It's a bummer.
Speaker 1: It's just a big bummer again. Per the report from
Speaker 1: Brett McMurphy, neither athletic Department with any imminent plans to
Speaker 1: start up the rivalry beyond twenty twenty five. They're not
Speaker 1: ruling it out at some point in the future. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they will play at some point in the future,
Speaker 1: maybe a playoff game that'd be wild, but at least
Speaker 1: for the time being. Starting in twenty twenty five, the
Speaker 1: move over to the SEC claims another rivalry victim.
Speaker 2: I guess we could always hope in the way that
Speaker 2: Texas and Texas A and M seem like they're going
Speaker 2: to meet more often than they have lately now that
Speaker 2: they're going to be in the same conference. There's always
Speaker 2: hope that when the SEC expands to thirty seven teams,
Speaker 2: at one of those expansions will include Oklahoma State and
Speaker 2: they'll be forced to be in the same room together again.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. This is what has always attracted
Speaker 2: me to always attracted me to the sport is the
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift bad blood of it all. Then you and
Speaker 2: especially like the in state stuff, especially getting Florida Florida State, Clemson,
Speaker 2: South Carolina, even if you know Oregon Oregon State, even
Speaker 2: if it's weighted in such a clear direction that you
Speaker 2: get that upset, and that's what actually means more, not
Speaker 2: the SEC. The upset in the rivalry game is what
Speaker 2: means more. And so I don't know, it's just it's
Speaker 2: all deflating. It's not new. This was sort of bound
Speaker 2: to happen. I wish I had do I have my Yeah,
Speaker 2: I still have Bound. It was bound to happen when
Speaker 2: Oklahoma left the Big twelve. But you know when you
Speaker 2: see stories like this confirming at all and you're like, well,
Speaker 2: too bad. All right?
Speaker 1: That does it for top level news items, stay tuned.
Speaker 1: We of course have our preview episode for week four.
Speaker 1: We'll go through much more news and specific game previews.
Speaker 1: Then let's talk about the drive for six.
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Speaker 2: It is very good? Is it as good as Bound?
Speaker 2: We'll find out when you eventually watch Bound for the
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Speaker 1: I have promised off I don't understand what the big
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Speaker 2: For me?
Speaker 1: Like? What do people think I am here? I have
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Speaker 2: Why not? Okay, you're gonna watch Bound, give and report back.
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Speaker 1: To my knowledge, it might be the first poll that
Speaker 1: is out there. It is certainly the most important poll. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think we'd agree it's the most important top ten
Speaker 1: pole on the interwebs come Sunday morning.
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Speaker 2: on that early access and that that's sweet, sweet pole action.
Speaker 2: I regret that phrasing.
Speaker 1: We're popping the hood today on a group of surprise teams.
Speaker 1: Thus far, through three weeks of the college football season,
Speaker 1: four if you count week zero because some teams in
Speaker 1: here did play Week zero games. We have made a
Speaker 1: lot of hay on this show. And I want to
Speaker 1: say this goes back to our conversations with our friend
Speaker 1: Will Leach talking about Illinois a lion I football, how
Speaker 1: every year it's not just a plight to get to.
Speaker 2: Be not embarrassing. Yes, is the phrasing hugging with the
Speaker 2: instruction there? Thank you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the drive for six, the drive for Bowl
Speaker 1: eligibility is something that we have paid I think a
Speaker 1: fair amount of attention to over the years, we think
Speaker 1: it's important. Yeah, definitely, we like to train our attention
Speaker 1: on teams that clearly have a drive for six underway,
Speaker 1: and thus far there are a grouping of teams that
Speaker 1: I think are particularly interesting, and we do need to
Speaker 1: take some time right now and evaluate what their drive
Speaker 1: for six looks like. It Just pop open the hood,
Speaker 1: just pop it off in that hood and let's talk
Speaker 1: it through, whether they're going to make it to six,
Speaker 1: whether they're going to break down along the way, What
Speaker 1: does the future have in store for a grouping of
Speaker 1: teams here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's basically our version as college football fans of
Speaker 2: like backdoor relegation, because no other sport has that very
Speaker 2: specific benchmark. Now, you can you're either a playoff team
Speaker 2: or you're not a playoff team, But I feel like
Speaker 2: the weight of being a bowl team carries more gravitas
Speaker 2: in the winning world of college football. That's barely English,
Speaker 2: but yeah, there is something about like a perennial being
Speaker 2: a perennial not bowl team, in the way that you
Speaker 2: can be a perennial not playoff team, lottery team depending
Speaker 2: on the sport, sort of brands you as something and
Speaker 2: so that benchmark is a very successful benchmark, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're making progress, Okay, we're competitive, Okay, we missed out,
Speaker 2: but look like how we got to five and seven.
Speaker 2: We had this upset. We put the fear of God
Speaker 2: into these three teams. There is that very specific benchmark,
Speaker 2: and we're going to look at teams who have started
Speaker 2: out now. Granted, quality of competition generally not there, but
Speaker 2: winning games better than losing games, and not all of
Speaker 2: these teams if I looking at I don't know if
Speaker 2: we want to start with Duke, but lost to Charlotte
Speaker 2: last year. If I if I recall right, correct, that
Speaker 2: is correct insand be Northwestern last year too. I understand that.
Speaker 2: But winning, winning, winning, winning, winning. Let's start with due.
Speaker 1: Duke's got a new coach, Mike Elko, formally defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: at Texas A and m formerly defensive coordinator at Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Guy knows how to coach defense. He's done a really
Speaker 1: good Duke's numbers. I was actually quite surprised going through
Speaker 1: and looking in advance of this week's game how well
Speaker 1: their defense has played. Granted, the competition's been Temple, Northwestern
Speaker 1: and North Carolina A and T. Not going to pretend
Speaker 1: that that's the stiffest of competition, but they've won all
Speaker 1: three games, and on a per play opponent adjusted situation
Speaker 1: adjusted basis, Duke's play in pretty solid defense. They're at
Speaker 1: three to zero with wins again over Temple, Northwestern, North Carolina,
Speaker 1: A and T. Per our friend Bill Connolly, Duke has
Speaker 1: a fifty percent chance of winning six or more games,
Speaker 1: which look if you're a Duke football fan, if you're
Speaker 1: just interested in teams along their drive for six fifty
Speaker 1: percent coin flip. Here's what it looks like the rest
Speaker 1: of the way. As I look at Duke. They're on
Speaker 1: the road this week at Kansas. Don't worry, we will
Speaker 1: be covering that game. We have to get a choice game.
Speaker 1: They should be there. Cowards continue Virginia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Miami,
Speaker 1: Boston College, Virginia Tech, Pitt and Wake Forest. There are
Speaker 1: a number of games on here. If I am looking
Speaker 1: at this objectively through three weeks of the college football season,
Speaker 1: I say they could beat Kansas. I say Virginia could
Speaker 1: be a hot mess.
Speaker 2: They could win that game.
Speaker 1: They could certainly be Georgia Tech. Given the state of
Speaker 1: affairs in Atlanta, Virginia Tech, Boston College, even wake Forest,
Speaker 1: who knows what wake Forest. There's definitely potential on the
Speaker 1: schedule for them to find three wins along the rest
Speaker 1: of the way. How do you feel if you're looking
Speaker 1: under the hood here with Duke football.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of smoke and mirrors early
Speaker 2: because the competition. I think Temple might be a disaster.
Speaker 2: It's Temple Northwestern, who also might be kind of a
Speaker 2: disaster after to lose to Southern Illinois yep, and some
Speaker 2: sort of very small north North Carolina A and T
Speaker 2: A and M A and T. I'm impressed by we
Speaker 2: talked about the manor impressed with the manner in which
Speaker 2: they're winning. They're doing a lot of little things correctly.
Speaker 2: By the way, it does help to be a former
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly defensive coordinator to get a Power five job, right, So,
Speaker 2: Mike Alco I think with his connection to the area,
Speaker 2: I think he hired well. I think Riley Leonard looks
Speaker 2: to be promising competition. He looks pretty good so far.
Speaker 2: He looks confident, and they're going downfield. It's not a
Speaker 2: lot of short stuff. The underlying information about Duke football,
Speaker 2: right now, and I watched a good chunk of that
Speaker 2: Northwestern game. Is they're playing with a good amount of effort,
Speaker 2: which goes a long way when the talent level isn't
Speaker 2: there and the roster isn't there. It does seem to
Speaker 2: me that if we're going to use that key term
Speaker 2: of drive, they're driving fast enough to draft off of
Speaker 2: what tie, driving fast enough to draft off of drive
Speaker 2: right behind and be prepared when something falls off of
Speaker 2: the opportunity truck. The opportunity truck.
Speaker 1: It took me a while.
Speaker 2: It's ex because again you go through their schedule, Virginia
Speaker 2: Tech opportunity truck in and of itself, Boston College opportunity
Speaker 2: truck in and of itself. So the Drive to six
Speaker 2: includes right there two programs that are telling the world,
Speaker 2: hey guys, we beatable, Hey guys, you can have us.
Speaker 2: So whatever you think of Kansas, which I don't think Kansas,
Speaker 2: I think Kansas's opportunity truck is souped up a little
Speaker 2: bit more than it's used to in a way that
Speaker 2: Boston College and Virginia Tech's axels are not necessarily ready
Speaker 2: to roll quickly. So I don't know how axles work.
Speaker 2: I am I'm going to say Duke's drive to six
Speaker 2: is looking and I'm inventing this scale on the fly.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say robust, brisk. I think there. I think
Speaker 2: they have a really good shot of getting to six games.
Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, again per sp plus, the worst remaining team
Speaker 1: on this schedule is Georgia Tech.
Speaker 2: Which doesn't say much for Tech.
Speaker 1: Because we listed some other bad teams, but Tech is
Speaker 1: in a bad place. There's a reason we called that,
Speaker 1: Jeff Collins Collins excuse me at the beginning of the show.
Speaker 1: So we will find out a lot more this week,
Speaker 1: believe it or not. That Duke Kansas game, the Battle
Speaker 1: of the Basketball schools, quote unquote, I do believe is
Speaker 1: going to have a fair amount of interest among the
Speaker 1: weirdos that listen to this show. You and I included, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, you and I included. That's why it's part
Speaker 1: of our weekly pick them game. That is part of
Speaker 1: why it is going to be featured. As we go
Speaker 1: through and talk about all things week four, we will
Speaker 1: learn a lot more about both of these teams. Are
Speaker 1: going to talk about Kansas here shortly as well. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if you have a lean in that game
Speaker 1: perhaps we can save it for tomorrow. But I have
Speaker 1: been impressed by Riley Leonard so far. He's completing about
Speaker 1: seventy three percent of his passes. He does look confident,
Speaker 1: and I think above all else it gets down to
Speaker 1: like the friskiness quotient. It's not a real thing, right,
Speaker 1: We make up these terms, these scales every week when
Speaker 1: we do the show. But you do like the teams
Speaker 1: that have a little bit of fight the drive, and
Speaker 1: I think Duke in the early going has at least
Speaker 1: shown that much to our surprise.
Speaker 2: I just like the general. We were both pretty high
Speaker 2: on the hire of Mike Elcho. When you bring in
Speaker 2: a coordinator who has been at big places, who has
Speaker 2: built up a resume and a rolladex of assistance, and
Speaker 2: when he gets that opportunity at a place where he is,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously aware going back to his time in
Speaker 2: the state of North Carolina, that he's going to come
Speaker 2: in with a vision and whatever we think of the
Speaker 2: roster right now, I think it's going to continue to improve.
Speaker 2: And it's in a good place of the country. And no,
Speaker 2: Duke has the academic thing as well, but it's in
Speaker 2: a good place of the country to restock in a
Speaker 2: better way than where Duke was roster wise the last
Speaker 2: couple of years under God. Now I'm forgetting on. I'm
Speaker 2: seeing his face with his dyed hair Cutcliff coach cut. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I say drive to six successful. How about that?
Speaker 2: I like it?
Speaker 1: I like it all right. Sorry about Oregon State. We've
Speaker 1: got Oregon State on this list. Boll team last year,
Speaker 1: both team last year. And I was going to say,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that I both, I think we both
Speaker 1: think that Oregon State is pretty good. Yeah, pretty good offense.
Speaker 1: I should qualify that per SP plus ninety seven percent
Speaker 1: chance of winning at least six games, which sounds high,
Speaker 1: but if you look at the remaining schedule, it computes
Speaker 1: USC Utah back to back weeks tough. That's pretty tough.
Speaker 1: Probably two losses, though they could knock off either one
Speaker 1: of those teams. Who knows what their offense. Then we
Speaker 1: got games against Stanford Washington State, which you know we'll
Speaker 1: find out more about Wazoo this week as well against
Speaker 1: Oregon Colorado. Colorado's a hot mess, Washington better than expected,
Speaker 1: cal still knows how to play defense. ASU who knows
Speaker 1: what state they'll be in by second to last week
Speaker 1: of the season close out the year Platypus Cup against
Speaker 1: Oregon So despite the fact that the projections seem to
Speaker 1: like Oregon State, there are enough teams on here that
Speaker 1: could really cause them some heartache. It does help though
Speaker 1: that they've started three to zero thus far. They've beaten
Speaker 1: Boise They've beaten Fresno, they've beaten Montana State. I think
Speaker 1: we are both pretty keen on this offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll pay good enhanced Boise State, to be clear,
Speaker 2: especially in that first half of the number of turnovers
Speaker 2: that then the havoc that they wreaked on the Broncos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we feel pretty good about this offense. It was
Speaker 1: a question of defense going into this thing for Oregon State,
Speaker 1: at least in the early going, for whatever that's worth.
Speaker 1: The early going, the defense is better. It's better by
Speaker 1: about thirty spots in the sp plus as compared to
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Will that continue, I don't know. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: They haven't played bad offenses in the form of Boise
Speaker 1: State and Fresno thus far, so I'm curious to see
Speaker 1: as they get into certainly this week against USC certainly
Speaker 1: next week against Utah, They're gonna have plenty of opportunities
Speaker 1: throughout the courts of the season to showcase what that
Speaker 1: defense has done in the offseason, how it has improved,
Speaker 1: if it has improved. Because there's also a game against Washington,
Speaker 1: there's also a game against Oregon Like, there are at
Speaker 1: least four or five teams on this thing that are
Speaker 1: really going to test Oregon State.
Speaker 2: Oregon State, for their part, might.
Speaker 1: Be content to get into shootouts, and my hunch is
Speaker 1: that with Jonathan Smith and his gambling tendencies, they'll probably
Speaker 1: win a couple of them. But how good do we
Speaker 1: think this team is? Is this let me let me
Speaker 1: phrase it two this way?
Speaker 2: Maybe is a.
Speaker 1: Tease for our show tomorrow. All Right, I think we
Speaker 1: both feel pretty confident that Oregon State's getting the six wins. Yes, totally, okay, Yes,
Speaker 1: that being said, level of confidence that Oregon State is
Speaker 1: good enough to catch USC and knock them off games
Speaker 1: in corvallis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're good enough to win that game. You know,
Speaker 2: we're sort of waiting for USC to play a different
Speaker 2: type of game and see how they respond, especially with
Speaker 2: that defense that you know, the forcing of the red
Speaker 2: zone turnovers and you know, Fresno was driving with Jay
Speaker 2: Hayner down I think twenty one to ten when he
Speaker 2: got hurt in the third quarter. Now they comfortably won
Speaker 2: that game. So it's like you're picking knits, You're you're
Speaker 2: looking at very small things in moments, but it's a
Speaker 2: four quarter game. Oregon State's good enough to win that game.
Speaker 2: There is something, and this is gonna sound insulting to
Speaker 2: both of these entities, there's something about, like the Princeton offense,
Speaker 2: an Oregon States offense, the Princeton basketball offense, who do
Speaker 2: they take down like UCLA, like prime nineties UCLA and
Speaker 2: the NCAA tournament that when you watch Oregon States offense
Speaker 2: and you're a team who can't generate open receivers and
Speaker 2: open plays, you're like, well, the Beams are doing it.
Speaker 2: If Oregon State can do it, why can't we major
Speaker 2: major program to it. Why can't we Texas A and
Speaker 2: M do it with five star athletes Oregon State doesn't have.
Speaker 2: And so that's why they'll be in a position to
Speaker 2: go to Bowls basically every year for as long as
Speaker 2: Jonathan Smith is there, be it long term, be it short,
Speaker 2: medium term, whatever. The defense is probably again bad this here.
Speaker 2: That's the problem, Like, why wouldn't you just run straight
Speaker 2: at Oregon State. They don't have much of a pass rush.
Speaker 2: They're not stopping the run early on against what Fresno
Speaker 2: and Boise and Montana State. I want to say is
Speaker 2: who they played in Portland. So until they are able
Speaker 2: to get that to average or slightly below average where
Speaker 2: they're just frisky enough to get off the field at times,
Speaker 2: maybe confuse a couple quarterbacks who are down, it's hard
Speaker 2: to say that they're taking the next step into that
Speaker 2: the best of what they were under Mike Riley or
Speaker 2: Dennis Ericksson way back when. So yeah, I have them
Speaker 2: squarely in that seven win footprint, which again considering some
Speaker 2: of the lows under both Mike Riley and Gary Anderson,
Speaker 2: you'll take because that also means you're probably threatening your
Speaker 2: rivals in Oregon, Washington, in the Northwest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm scared to death of Oregon State, especially this
Speaker 1: week against USC. I'll give it away. I'm taking Oregon State,
Speaker 1: not necessarily, not necessarily to win outright. Come when I
Speaker 1: saw it, when I saw this line early on Sunday,
Speaker 1: when it first dropped, it was seven seven favorite of USC.
Speaker 1: On the road against Oregon State. I grab seven. It's
Speaker 1: come down a little bit. I'm not sure what it's
Speaker 1: at now. We'll find out in time for tomorrow. But
Speaker 1: that USC Oregon game I think is going to be fine.
Speaker 1: I think potentially a lot of points. I think they
Speaker 1: get into trouble when they run up against teams like
Speaker 1: Utah because Utah just plays a much different style of offense.
Speaker 2: On a winning streak on a winning streak against Utah
Speaker 2: on winning streak. But we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I think we both feel very positively about Oregon State.
Speaker 1: It is an open question for me of how good
Speaker 1: do I want to feel about Oregon State. I've got
Speaker 1: it as like an eight win team, right I think
Speaker 1: by the time all is said and done, eight with
Speaker 1: maybe a game or two that you could flirt with nine,
Speaker 1: isn't there.
Speaker 2: There's also a sense with Jonathan Smith just about program construction,
Speaker 2: roster construction, that he hires West Coast guys that he's
Speaker 2: familiar with, that he's worked with, that are legacies in
Speaker 2: the Northwest. I think his defensive coordinator, let's Trent Bray,
Speaker 2: played at Oregon State, has experienced a bit. You know,
Speaker 2: it's good at Nebraska as a linebackers coach, and he
Speaker 2: didn't try to hire young recruiters. Let's just you know,
Speaker 2: he's hitting the portal smartly. Like there's just like he's
Speaker 2: building a house slowly instead of trying to build it
Speaker 2: real quick and flip it right. Well, and then's just
Speaker 2: what we talked.
Speaker 1: We talked about this when we did the preview. There
Speaker 1: are some coaches and i'd include Mail Tucker, you know,
Speaker 1: even Greg Shianna. We'll talk about Rutgers next, but coaches
Speaker 1: that are not on the overthink express. They're doing exactly
Speaker 1: what everyone says they should be doing. And of course
Speaker 1: it doesn't always work. But at least in the case
Speaker 1: of Oregon State and frankly some of these other teams.
Speaker 1: Rutgers again next, it does appear to be working. Team
Speaker 1: is better than it was a year ago. So all right,
Speaker 1: let's move on to Rutgers. Good chow, Let's talk Rutgers football.
Speaker 1: Let's talk Rutgers football. Rutgers football is three to zero.
Speaker 1: They've got wins on the road, a weird win Week
Speaker 1: one on the road over Boston College twenty two to
Speaker 1: twenty one. They crushed, absolutely obliterated Wagner for whatever that's worth.
Speaker 2: Come on, Tyan, you were Seahawks, Seahawks, Seahawks all week long, continue.
Speaker 1: Long, pause, and then last week on the road at
Speaker 1: Temple a sixteen to fourteen wins. So the wins that
Speaker 1: they've got here against Power five teams have both been
Speaker 1: on the road. Neither has been all that exciting. For
Speaker 1: what it's worth, They've got Iowa this week. They're about
Speaker 1: a seven and a half point home dog. The over
Speaker 1: under for that game is thirty five and a half
Speaker 1: point thirty five and a half point.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I realized they were playing this weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 2: which is just unwatchable.
Speaker 1: That is Vegas telling you don't watch this game, don't
Speaker 1: do it, don't put yourself through the Let's talk though,
Speaker 1: about this Rutgers football team. Rutgers has a thirty seven
Speaker 1: percent chance for the sp plus of winning six or
Speaker 1: more football games. Great their schedule the rest of the
Speaker 1: way gets in the way of that. A little bit
Speaker 1: gets in the way of that.
Speaker 2: A little bit.
Speaker 1: Iowa and Ohio State back to back weeks. I don't
Speaker 1: know if we think that highly of Iowa's offense, but
Speaker 1: i Will still plays defense and that's going to be
Speaker 1: a challenge for this Rutgers offense, which at last check
Speaker 1: is one hundred and third in the SP plus.
Speaker 2: Not a good all. By the way, we talk about
Speaker 2: the drive to six Rutgers, Iowa's gonna be the drive
Speaker 2: to thirteen.
Speaker 1: First one of thirteen. Get that dub continue amazing. We've
Speaker 1: also got a game against Nebraska. There's an Indiana game here,
Speaker 1: which might be the only winnable of the bunch here
Speaker 1: of the remaining lot, Minnesota on the road, Michigan, Michigan State,
Speaker 1: Penn State, back to back to back weeks. They close
Speaker 1: out the year on the road at Maryland. That final
Speaker 1: stretch of five games is brutal. So they've got two
Speaker 1: stretches here with Iowa, Ohio State back back weeks. Then
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a break before they get
Speaker 1: into it Halloween weekend, one more time. Minnesota, Michigan, Michigan State,
Speaker 1: Penn State, Maryland. I do not feel confident that they're
Speaker 1: getting the six wins. I have no doubt that they
Speaker 1: will challenge a couple of those teams, like the game
Speaker 1: against Indiana will be interesting. They're at home. The game
Speaker 1: against Michigan for some portion of that game I think
Speaker 1: will be interesting because home. Yeah, for some portion of
Speaker 1: that game, they'll play super conservatively. They'll try to drain
Speaker 1: the clock to try to keep it out of JJ
Speaker 1: McCarthy's hands. They might keep that interesting for a quarter
Speaker 1: before they get blown out. But otherwise here it's really
Speaker 1: hard for me to see that path they get the
Speaker 1: six wins.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, Well, the Nebraska's not something you spend a ton
Speaker 2: of time. They have the Huskers. I think that's the
Speaker 2: Friday night of our live show. Do they play? Is
Speaker 2: that a Friday night game?
Speaker 1: October seventh, Soliverbolive dot com to see our show, not
Speaker 1: this one.
Speaker 2: We won't have the TV. We promise, yeah, now we
Speaker 2: won't subject people to Nebraska. Rutgers football's fine. So we
Speaker 2: talked about Oregon State going about its program building and
Speaker 2: roster construction whatever in a smart way that like there's
Speaker 2: a self awareness there. It seems like there's a self
Speaker 2: awareness with Ruckers as well that I agree. We're leaning
Speaker 2: into the Greg Ciano defense thing. We're leaning into transfers,
Speaker 2: We're leaning into hiring assistants from the Northeast and have
Speaker 2: the connections in New Jersey as an underrated state in
Speaker 2: terms of developing high school talent and so far, again
Speaker 2: it's what Boston College, Wagner and somebody who who did
Speaker 2: they Temple beat Temple? Temple? Everybody gonna Temple this year probably,
Speaker 2: But they get the hell off the field. They're not
Speaker 2: wasting time on defense, aren't they something like fifteenth or
Speaker 2: twentieth or something in terms of three and out percentage nationally?
Speaker 2: So they get off the field against bad teams, which
Speaker 2: makes me think they're going to get off the field.
Speaker 2: We'll be a little bit less against even better teams.
Speaker 2: That there's that confidence, the alignment, the responsibility, the effort
Speaker 2: on defense is there, and they're building depth. I just
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be pain in the ass. They're
Speaker 2: gonna bring teams down to their level, and they're not
Speaker 2: going to be as good as Iowa. But are they
Speaker 2: good enough to beat Iowa? And Iowa's especially bad on offense? Perhaps?
Speaker 2: Are they good enough to beat a Nebraska team who
Speaker 2: is willing to lose to you name it? Perhaps? So
Speaker 2: I'm kind of if we're talking Indiana, who I'm not
Speaker 2: a big believer, And still I think they're gonna be okay,
Speaker 2: They'll be improved but Indiana. Am I fully sold on Maryland?
Speaker 2: Not quite? Yeah, this is kind of a September Terps thing,
Speaker 2: right Indiana, Nebraska, And I'm not sold on Penn State.
Speaker 2: I think it's you're not sold in se No, I'm
Speaker 2: not sold on Penn State being a challenge that Rutgers
Speaker 2: will be a challenge for Penn State. I'm not sold
Speaker 2: on that quite yet. But again, these are all a
Speaker 2: lot of these programs, especially what Michigan be ruckers by
Speaker 2: a touchdown last year at home. These are all programs
Speaker 2: willing to have extremely off character and down weeks. They're
Speaker 2: all willing to maybe without counting Ohio State, but these
Speaker 2: are not bulletproof programs. And so if Rutgers is just
Speaker 2: doing it with sloggy defense up front, then they're gonna
Speaker 2: catch somebody sixteen thirteen. They just are. And I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's win number five or win number six
Speaker 2: or were number four, but they went to they kind
Speaker 2: of went to a fake bowl game last year right
Speaker 2: when they got that last second invite, lost to way
Speaker 2: Wake Forest at five and seven. So yeah, I'm in
Speaker 2: for a similar season that the drive is going to
Speaker 2: be that they have enough gas to draft off the
Speaker 2: opportunity truck.
Speaker 1: You could see them Halloween weekend going to Minnesota and
Speaker 1: we get a Minnesota stinker where they're hyper conservative.
Speaker 2: They try to run the ball.
Speaker 1: Rutgers knows it's coming, probably not good enough to fully
Speaker 1: contain Moe Ibrahem, but you know they're not really going
Speaker 1: to air it out. That's just not the style of play.
Speaker 1: See that one being closer than might meet the eye.
Speaker 1: I've got him for five. I think they can get
Speaker 1: to five, but six to me is really pushing.
Speaker 2: It all right. Aaron, by the way, watching along on
Speaker 2: forballers dot Com, says New Jersey is underrated in general.
Speaker 2: I agree, okay, I agree there you. I'm a big
Speaker 2: fan of the state of New Jersey. My people hail
Speaker 2: from the great state of New Jersey, the Garden State.
Speaker 1: A couple more teams here, Kansas Okay three and oh
Speaker 1: three and oh Kansas thirty five percent chance of going
Speaker 1: six or more wins. They've beaten Tennessee Tech, They've beaten
Speaker 1: West Virginia, They've beaten Houston. The Houston win in particular
Speaker 1: was especially impressive. Also impressive here is the fact that
Speaker 1: they scored fifty six fifty five and forty eight points
Speaker 1: in their first three games, respectively. This is not an
Speaker 1: offense with Jalen Daniels that has had trouble against the
Speaker 1: competition through three weeks. When it comes to moving the
Speaker 1: football and putting up points, you can do a hell
Speaker 1: of a lot worse than that. You can more a
Speaker 1: hell of a lot worse than that. If nothing more,
Speaker 1: Kansas football has ascended to the point where it is
Speaker 1: now entertaining, and that's an upgrade given where this program's been.
Speaker 1: That's a huge freakin upgrade. So I'll due credit to
Speaker 1: not just Jalen Daniels, but Lancel I pulled and what
Speaker 1: he's been able to do in very short order at Kansas.
Speaker 1: The game against Duke this week I think is going
Speaker 1: to be particularly interesting. Kansas favored by about nine points
Speaker 1: in that game. We can talk more about that on
Speaker 1: the recap show or the preview show. Excuse me and
Speaker 1: the recap show for what it's worth. The rest of
Speaker 1: the way, here is what Kansas has in front of them.
Speaker 1: Iowa State TCU back to back road games at Oklahoma
Speaker 1: and Baylor before a bye week. Then as they get
Speaker 1: into the month of November, Oklahoma State at Texas Tech.
Speaker 1: Texas closed out the year against Kansas State on the road,
Speaker 1: so they're getting into the thick of their Big Twelve
Speaker 1: schedule starting up in the month of October. I feel
Speaker 1: like Kandris Kansas excuse me, is particularly dangerous, Okay, per
Speaker 1: the sp plus a thirty five percent chance of winning
Speaker 1: six or more games. I just feel like, whenever you've
Speaker 1: got an offense like this, and granted it may all
Speaker 1: revolve around one player, but still, you can do a
Speaker 1: lot worse than having one really good player. In college football,
Speaker 1: We've seen that work for any number of other teams
Speaker 1: in the past. Jalen Daniels right now, completing about a
Speaker 1: sixty seven percent clip of his passes not turning the
Speaker 1: football over through the air seven to one touchdown interception ratio,
Speaker 1: leads the team in rushing yardage, also has three touchdowns
Speaker 1: on the ground, so he is clearly the focal point
Speaker 1: of their offense. They will obviously go up against defenses
Speaker 1: that are good enough to contain him, but there are
Speaker 1: plenty of other teams here in the Big Twelve that
Speaker 1: I don't know where their defense stands, and you could
Speaker 1: certainly see a scenario in which Jalen Daniels tortures them
Speaker 1: as well. So given the fact that they're already at
Speaker 1: three wins, I feel awesome that Kansas is getting a six.
Speaker 1: I feel great about this drive for six.
Speaker 2: Okay, I perhaps don't feel as good as you do,
Speaker 2: judging by your enthusiasm. I feel good about them today. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The problem with Kansas right now to me is the
Speaker 2: thinness of this roster and what this defense looks like
Speaker 2: over the course of the year, that even if their
Speaker 2: offense is still humming, scoring fifty ish points against your
Speaker 2: West Virginia's and your Houston's, that they're giving up fifty
Speaker 2: eight because two defensive linemen went down in the backups
Speaker 2: are just not as good, are just not and the
Speaker 2: starters aren't great right now in that front seven. So
Speaker 2: it's just such a thin line right now that they're
Speaker 2: tiptoeing across because of depth, and so I think they're
Speaker 2: going to score points against a lot of teams. And like,
Speaker 2: I'm not super high on the Baylor pickleball offense at
Speaker 2: the moment, I'm not super high on the Kansas State
Speaker 2: offense at the moment. I'm not super high on Texas
Speaker 2: Tech just in general, at the moment. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of things to hesitate about regarding a lot of these
Speaker 2: Big twelve schools, but a lot of them have built
Speaker 2: up rosters and have backups that are probably going to
Speaker 2: be closer to their starters.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Look, there's a lot of changing. The new coach of
Speaker 2: Texas Tech, new coach at TCU, new quarterback at Baylor,
Speaker 2: new there's a lot of new at a lot of
Speaker 2: different places. But I just think depth wise and the
Speaker 2: toll of the season wise, I think it's going to
Speaker 2: be a lot closer to five than seven to me
Speaker 2: for Kansas football. But in terms of being a hard out,
Speaker 2: in terms of in the way that they put the
Speaker 2: fear of God into TCU in West Virginia last year,
Speaker 2: they're going to be doing that more often this year.
Speaker 2: So I think it's I think it's within the realm
Speaker 2: of possibility. I just think that roster, and even as
Speaker 2: impressively as they hit the portal, I think that roster
Speaker 2: is just in a more precarious spot to get it
Speaker 2: done weekend week out. Yeah, I mean, I'm probably going
Speaker 2: to take Duke in this game. Where's the game? It's
Speaker 2: a game is in Kansas.
Speaker 1: Oh, But the point spread's nine, and I feel like
Speaker 1: there is probably a little bit of undue hype for
Speaker 1: both sides of this equation. It's a letdown spot letdown
Speaker 1: spot for sure, And like I said at the top,
Speaker 1: Duke has been playing really impressive defense so far. Not
Speaker 1: the best competition, but still I think their body of
Speaker 1: work has been impressive for the teams that they have
Speaker 1: played and what that looks like on an adjusted basis.
Speaker 1: I also think it's important that people live in reality totally.
Speaker 1: It's really important, like a lot of people don't do
Speaker 1: that when it comes to Kansas football or really life
Speaker 1: in general. If broaden this out, but we've had a
Speaker 1: lot of commentary when we put together over Ball or
Speaker 1: Top ten Paul and I know most people are tongue
Speaker 1: in cheek about it, but we didn't even have Kansas
Speaker 1: on the list of the top thirty teams, and people
Speaker 1: are not so much calling for Kansas to be a
Speaker 1: top ten team. I don't think most people outside of
Speaker 1: perhaps Lancelot I Pulled and Jalen Daniels, believe that. But
Speaker 1: the amount of pushback we got to the fact that
Speaker 1: they're not even on that list is kind of surprising
Speaker 1: to me. This is not a top thirty team. This
Speaker 1: is a fun team.
Speaker 2: Is it? Is he team the root for.
Speaker 1: We're certainly gonna root like hell for Kansas to get
Speaker 1: the six to go beyond. It'd be a great story.
Speaker 1: It might be the best story in college football if
Speaker 1: they can continue at this clip. But let's pump the
Speaker 1: brakes a little bit here. I like this team to
Speaker 1: get the six wins, but put them in my top thirty.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think you need to ignore
Speaker 2: ironic online college football fans. I'm not talking about ironic
Speaker 2: online college football fans. I'm talking about it for bowlers. No.
Speaker 1: I understand people are like, hey, where's Kansas? Yeah, send
Speaker 1: in private messages, where's Kansas? Why's Kansas not on here?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I asked them, ask them to wager one
Speaker 2: thousand dollars on Kansas against the tie rifteen team, and
Speaker 2: then they're going to be a little bit less excited
Speaker 2: about having them in the top ten as an option.
Speaker 1: I respect that viewpoint. I respect the enthusiasm for Kansas.
Speaker 1: I am right there with you. Yeah, but pump the
Speaker 1: frickin breaks?
Speaker 2: Okay? Can we pump breaks? Everybody?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's live in reality here for a second. Six wins,
Speaker 1: count me in, count me in for and entertaining an
Speaker 1: entertaining season ahead, probably an entertaining game this week against
Speaker 1: Duke Like. They are nothing if not plucky and dangerous
Speaker 1: given their offense and their coach, who's a good coach.
Speaker 2: But Jalen Daniels is randomly excellent. I don't think he
Speaker 2: had any other Power five offers. I just quickly looked
Speaker 2: at his twenty four to seven page and it's a
Speaker 2: lot of like New Hampshire Air Force, Bryant, Eastern Washington.
Speaker 2: That's that is a wild Then that happens. That happens
Speaker 2: with G time guys. We saw with Grayson McCall. We've
Speaker 2: seen it all over the place. And now obviously the
Speaker 2: movement between you know, promising backups who were recruited by
Speaker 2: a number of schools going to a G five place
Speaker 2: and thriving, that happens much more often. But yeah, Jalen
Speaker 2: Daniels randomly being really scary and good for Kansas is
Speaker 2: you know, awesome falling through the cracks of recruiting. It's
Speaker 2: always a cool story.
Speaker 1: Final talking point here before we let the fine people go. Yes,
Speaker 1: there are two teams on our list that have one
Speaker 1: loss and matching six percent probabilities of getting to six
Speaker 1: wins or more. Okay, those are the Arizona Wildcats two
Speaker 1: and one beat San Diego State, beat North Dakota State,
Speaker 1: lost in Mississippi State Week two m.
Speaker 2: H and Vandy.
Speaker 1: Vandy's three and one because Vandy played that Hawaii game,
Speaker 1: destroyed Hawaii on the road no less in week zero
Speaker 1: sixty three to ten. They've also beaten Elin and Northern Illinois.
Speaker 1: They lost to Wake for us by twenty Vandy three
Speaker 1: and one, Arizona two and one. As I said, matching
Speaker 1: six percent likelihood per the spplus of getting to six
Speaker 1: or more wins. Of those two teams, the only answer
Speaker 1: for which one is more likely to get the six
Speaker 1: wins is Arizona, right.
Speaker 2: Given the schedule? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, given the schedule, it is Arizona. So I want
Speaker 1: you to walk down that treacher path of getting Vandy
Speaker 1: to six wins and tell me what that looks like
Speaker 1: and how it could possibly occur.
Speaker 2: You want me to paint you the universe in which
Speaker 2: Vandy gets to six wins, right now, build me that
Speaker 2: Vandy universe, all right? Miszoo, South Carolina Florida, Tennessee are
Speaker 2: all prone to full collapses emotionally, spiritually, physically, football wise, whatever. No,
Speaker 2: they're not going to get there. But could they do
Speaker 2: something weird and beat Miszoo in South Carolina? Sure, that's
Speaker 2: the path to five you asked me to do. Six
Speaker 2: is a bridge too far. But the depths of Miszoo,
Speaker 2: the woeful play, especially on offense at times, and Lucky.
Speaker 2: You can't judge a team against I'm an Oregon fan.
Speaker 2: You can't judge a team against Georgia. You just can't.
Speaker 2: Don't do that. Don't do that to yourself. I'm still
Speaker 2: worried about South Carolina. I don't think I'm worried about Florida.
Speaker 2: But the progress of Anthony Richardson the opportunity truck is
Speaker 2: going a little bit further farther in the distance.
Speaker 1: Might be rolling down the hill in Neutral.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's weird to me. They could be sort
Speaker 2: of the like Week one. They look like their way
Speaker 2: ahead of things, like the eighteen wheeler truck with tyrons.
Speaker 2: We're like, oh no, that was a Week one thing.
Speaker 2: I am confident in Vanderbilt and their ability to maintain
Speaker 2: a healthy distance behind like the Northwestern at its best
Speaker 2: opportunity truck, the Pat Fitzgerald of the South. I think
Speaker 2: they're doing again. It's it's correct construction that they are
Speaker 2: going to be built like a six and six SEC team,
Speaker 2: and when teams completely implode, when programs implode, like I
Speaker 2: don't know, pretty much everybody the SEC East is prone
Speaker 2: to doing outside of Georgia and Kentucky. At the moment,
Speaker 2: I think Vandy might find themselves in an interesting spot.
Speaker 2: So I don't think they're getting to six games this year.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're probably getting a five games this year. No,
Speaker 2: But are they get Are they gonna lose more games
Speaker 2: thirty to twenty four instead of thirty to three?
Speaker 1: I say, yes, Yeah, this is a team that Gosh,
Speaker 1: if you look at SP numbers from years past, it's
Speaker 1: been all deep red, which is not good. That that
Speaker 1: signifies bad. And so far in the early going, there
Speaker 1: have been market improvements across the board offense, defense, special teams,
Speaker 1: just the overall rank. Again, it's early, but this is
Speaker 1: all opponent adjusted stuff. We trust our friend Bill pretty
Speaker 1: deeply here with a lot of this stuff, and you
Speaker 1: know the proofs in the pudding there three and one.
Speaker 2: And yeah, what if aj Swan's really good, Yeah, then
Speaker 2: he's If AJ Swan is really good, then he's one
Speaker 2: of the best five quarterbacks in the SEC. Like, it's
Speaker 2: not an incredible SEC quarterback here, so I'd not to
Speaker 2: heap that kind of expectation on him, but that takes
Speaker 2: them pretty far.
Speaker 1: Six touchdowns, no interceptions, true Ridge average net yards per
Speaker 1: attempt is twelve point zero, which is really damn good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this year it's price Love, It's Stetson Bennett,
Speaker 2: It's kJ Jefferson, Will Evis, and then Hendon Hooker. So okay,
Speaker 2: so there's your obvious A list group. Will Rogers, I
Speaker 2: think Will Rodgers is there's a drop off before Will
Speaker 2: Rogers probably. I think there's a drop off before Jackson
Speaker 2: Dart definitely drop off between that top group and whatever
Speaker 2: A and M is doing at quarterback and Anthony Richardson,
Speaker 2: I think there's a drop off before him. Spencer Rattler
Speaker 2: has a drop off before him. So I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: especially in the East, there's some opportunity. There's some opportunity
Speaker 2: when one of these teams is a mess, which you
Speaker 2: can never fully write off. Florida or Tennessee from being
Speaker 2: a mess that oh Fandy just beat Tennessee, why not?
Speaker 2: And they have So I'm I'm in on an improving Vandy.
Speaker 2: Think it's going to take two more years.
Speaker 1: It was four star aj Swan. Yeah, didn't get a
Speaker 1: lot of big offers.
Speaker 2: But you look at what Vandy's done on the trail
Speaker 2: and you know your credit. You know, Barton Simmons is
Speaker 2: the former podcaster, yep U director of player personnel or whatever.
Speaker 2: If they're finding those three stars who are like the
Speaker 2: number twenty seven linebacker, the number thirty eight left tackle,
Speaker 2: the number forty, you gonna win games. You're not gonna
Speaker 2: win a lot of SEC games. Is not gonna be
Speaker 2: a nine win team, win some games though, I like it.
Speaker 2: Let's close this out here very quickly.
Speaker 1: Let's mention Arizona. A lot of good vibes on Arizona
Speaker 1: right now, A lot of good vibes on Arizona. The
Speaker 1: schedule does get tougher, it does get tougher. This week
Speaker 1: on the road at Cow almost feels essential if they
Speaker 1: want to get the six wins, as does next week
Speaker 1: at home against Colorado, because the rest of the way,
Speaker 1: you've got Oregon, you've got Washington. You've got USC and Utah,
Speaker 1: all four of those teams in a five week span,
Speaker 1: which is just brutal close out the year at UCLA,
Speaker 1: Washington State, Arizona State. So the thinking would be, you
Speaker 1: beat cal you beat Colorado. That gets you two four wins,
Speaker 1: because this team is two and one at the moment,
Speaker 1: and then you got to pick off two across the board.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's UCLA, maybe it's Washington State, maybe it's Arizona State.
Speaker 1: It's a very narrow path to get the six. I
Speaker 1: think most impressively, we've talked a lot on this show
Speaker 1: about coaches that aren't overthinking it. Jedfish is another one
Speaker 1: that I would throw into that category. He's just building
Speaker 1: things in a way that makes a lot of sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he needed help at quarterback. You went out and got
Speaker 1: Jayden Delara like he's He's recruited skill position guys or
Speaker 1: guy Temac coming over from California freshman.
Speaker 2: Why I'm the guy from UTAP Jacob calling.
Speaker 1: Jacob cally also working the portal, bring in support where
Speaker 1: it's needed. So this is a team that feels very
Speaker 1: plucky to me in terms of plucky, frisky All Stars
Speaker 1: Arizona is up there, and there are a lot of
Speaker 1: good vibes, and it can be a weird place to play.
Speaker 1: And so I don't know if you're Oregon going on
Speaker 1: the road, I don't know if you're usc going on
Speaker 1: the road. But I don't think it's too far beyond
Speaker 1: Arizona to just scare the hell out of someone. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure they're winning those games, but I expect Arizona
Speaker 1: to be at least frisky enough to be in this thing.
Speaker 1: Most of the games on the schedule get to like
Speaker 1: five wins. Six feels like a little bit of a
Speaker 1: stretch to.
Speaker 2: Me, though. Yeah, before the season started, I had them
Speaker 2: in my mind as a three ish win program, and I'll
Speaker 2: have them as a five ish when program after all.
Speaker 1: By the way, yeah, five and seven, looking right at you,
Speaker 1: I was all in on Arizona being better than expected.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I uh, with what Colorado and Arizona State look
Speaker 2: like at the moment. That's two. That's two of the
Speaker 2: needed three to get to five, right, Yep. So you talk,
Speaker 2: UCLA is currently a Southern Alabama ish program, are they not?
Speaker 1: That is what we are led to believe after what
Speaker 1: we saw in week three.
Speaker 2: I'm not fully and we're now just talking about two
Speaker 2: song games. I'm not fully sold on Washington State. On offense, no,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think Washington and Oregon are pretty good.
Speaker 2: I think USC and Utah are pretty good. But ASU, UCLA,
Speaker 2: Colorado Cal still not figuring out offense. There's a path
Speaker 2: if Arizona injury luck and you know, forcing turnovers, getting
Speaker 2: off the field, whatever, because I think the offense will
Speaker 2: be fine, but there's a path to that five ish
Speaker 2: win jump.
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Speaker 2: Youn LV UNLV disastrous these past few years, very absolute disasters.
Speaker 2: But here's what we have so far. They're two and one.
Speaker 2: They beat North Texas comfortably, they beat Idaho State comfortably,
Speaker 2: and they kind of barely lost to Cal. Another incitement
Speaker 2: against Cal. But the Mountain West, the bottom of the
Speaker 2: Mountain West is pretty bad. So if you and LV
Speaker 2: found a quarterback, Doug Brumfield has done well. Younger QB
Speaker 2: their schedule right now, and what I guess you're looking
Speaker 2: at Bill's thing. Hawaii is a nightmare, Nevada is a nightmare.
Speaker 2: New Mexico's nightmayor Utah State after winning the conference last year,
Speaker 2: might be a secret nightmare in not a good way.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're being the Notre dame, but San
Speaker 2: Diego State's offense might be trash. I'm just saying, UNLV, Yeah,
Speaker 2: if the Brumfield bandwagon is taking on new passengers, like
Speaker 2: U and LV could just scoop up, like, oh, we're
Speaker 2: the worst five and seventeen in America, the worst six
Speaker 2: and six team in America. Like, I think the drive
Speaker 2: is actually pretty real for the Rebels right now? How
Speaker 2: about that? The drive is real? Marcus Arroyo, who I
Speaker 2: did not have a terrific relationship with as an Oregon fan,
Speaker 2: but I think he's hired pretty well. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think they're hitting the portal pretty hard. And like
Speaker 2: they they went after Harrison Bailey, like the former blue
Speaker 2: chip Harrison Bailey is not being great. He hasn't been great,
Speaker 2: but like he hasn't been loyal to guys because of names.
Speaker 2: Brumfield is the guy entered the portal last year. Convinced
Speaker 2: him to come back. Awesome, He's OKOD. So I'm saying
Speaker 2: the bottom Mount West is kind of trash right now,
Speaker 2: and so it's good to be near the bottom, but
Speaker 2: not the bottom.
Speaker 1: Seventy three percent likelihood of getting the six wins, that's
Speaker 1: not bad. Six wins are more unlv not bad.
Speaker 2: They were an over team a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: They were really bad, Yeah, really bad. Two years ago
Speaker 1: they were one hundred and twenty third nationally. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: last year only like ten spots better. So again, slow
Speaker 1: and steady progress here, mm hmm is definitely.
Speaker 2: The name of the game.
Speaker 1: They've actually been quite good on special teams, which when
Speaker 1: you're trying to like when you're trying to cut corners
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