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Speaker 1: the next forty five minutes or so, we've got news.

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Speaker 1: We've got a little game that we are very excited about.

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Speaker 1: these names for you, that's sure. Absolutely Matt Rule. That

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the point that keeps coming up, and again,

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Speaker 2: But I don't know. This is what has always attracted

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Speaker 1: We of course have our preview episode for week four.

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Speaker 1: We'll go through much more news and specific game previews.

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Speaker 1: Then let's talk about the drive for six.

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Speaker 2: Damn oh, I'm a driver.

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Speaker 1: Such a good frickin' movie, baby driver.

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Speaker 2: It is very good? Is it as good as Bound?

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Speaker 1: I have promised off I don't understand what the big

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Speaker 1: Like? What do people think I am here? I have

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Speaker 2: I'll rewatch Bound too. We'll dedicate a specific segment to

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Speaker 1: We're popping the hood today on a group of surprise teams.

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Speaker 1: Thus far, through three weeks of the college football season,

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Speaker 1: four if you count week zero because some teams in

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Speaker 1: here did play Week zero games. We have made a

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Speaker 1: lot of hay on this show. And I want to

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Speaker 1: say this goes back to our conversations with our friend

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Speaker 1: Will Leach talking about Illinois a lion I football, how

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Speaker 1: every year it's not just a plight to get to.

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Speaker 2: Be not embarrassing. Yes, is the phrasing hugging with the

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Speaker 2: instruction there? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But the drive for six, the drive for Bowl

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Speaker 1: eligibility is something that we have paid I think a

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Speaker 1: fair amount of attention to over the years, we think

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Speaker 1: it's important. Yeah, definitely, we like to train our attention

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Speaker 1: on teams that clearly have a drive for six underway,

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Speaker 1: and thus far there are a grouping of teams that

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Speaker 1: I think are particularly interesting, and we do need to

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Speaker 1: take some time right now and evaluate what their drive

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Speaker 1: for six looks like. It Just pop open the hood,

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Speaker 1: just pop it off in that hood and let's talk

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Speaker 1: it through, whether they're going to make it to six,

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Speaker 1: whether they're going to break down along the way, What

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Speaker 1: does the future have in store for a grouping of

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Speaker 1: teams here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's basically our version as college football fans of

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Speaker 2: like backdoor relegation, because no other sport has that very

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Speaker 2: specific benchmark. Now, you can you're either a playoff team

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Speaker 2: or you're not a playoff team, But I feel like

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Speaker 2: the weight of being a bowl team carries more gravitas

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Speaker 2: in the winning world of college football. That's barely English,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, there is something about like a perennial being

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Speaker 2: a perennial not bowl team, in the way that you

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Speaker 2: can be a perennial not playoff team, lottery team depending

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Speaker 2: on the sport, sort of brands you as something and

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Speaker 2: so that benchmark is a very successful benchmark, like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're making progress, Okay, we're competitive, Okay, we missed out,

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Speaker 2: but look like how we got to five and seven.

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Speaker 2: We had this upset. We put the fear of God

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Speaker 2: into these three teams. There is that very specific benchmark,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to look at teams who have started

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Speaker 2: out now. Granted, quality of competition generally not there, but

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Speaker 2: winning games better than losing games, and not all of

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Speaker 2: these teams if I looking at I don't know if

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Speaker 2: we want to start with Duke, but lost to Charlotte

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Speaker 2: last year. If I if I recall right, correct, that

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Speaker 2: is correct insand be Northwestern last year too. I understand that.

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Speaker 2: But winning, winning, winning, winning, winning. Let's start with due.

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Speaker 1: Duke's got a new coach, Mike Elko, formally defensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: at Texas A and m formerly defensive coordinator at Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: Guy knows how to coach defense. He's done a really

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Speaker 1: good Duke's numbers. I was actually quite surprised going through

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Speaker 1: and looking in advance of this week's game how well

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Speaker 1: their defense has played. Granted, the competition's been Temple, Northwestern

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Speaker 1: and North Carolina A and T. Not going to pretend

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Speaker 1: that that's the stiffest of competition, but they've won all

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Speaker 1: three games, and on a per play opponent adjusted situation

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Speaker 1: adjusted basis, Duke's play in pretty solid defense. They're at

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Speaker 1: three to zero with wins again over Temple, Northwestern, North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: A and T. Per our friend Bill Connolly, Duke has

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Speaker 1: a fifty percent chance of winning six or more games,

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Speaker 1: which look if you're a Duke football fan, if you're

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Speaker 1: just interested in teams along their drive for six fifty

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Speaker 1: percent coin flip. Here's what it looks like the rest

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Speaker 1: of the way. As I look at Duke. They're on

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Speaker 1: the road this week at Kansas. Don't worry, we will

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Speaker 1: be covering that game. We have to get a choice game.

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Speaker 1: They should be there. Cowards continue Virginia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Miami,

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Speaker 1: Boston College, Virginia Tech, Pitt and Wake Forest. There are

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Speaker 1: a number of games on here. If I am looking

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Speaker 1: at this objectively through three weeks of the college football season,

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Speaker 1: I say they could beat Kansas. I say Virginia could

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Speaker 1: be a hot mess.

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Speaker 2: They could win that game.

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Speaker 1: They could certainly be Georgia Tech. Given the state of

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Speaker 1: affairs in Atlanta, Virginia Tech, Boston College, even wake Forest,

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Speaker 1: who knows what wake Forest. There's definitely potential on the

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Speaker 1: schedule for them to find three wins along the rest

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Speaker 1: of the way. How do you feel if you're looking

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Speaker 1: under the hood here with Duke football.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of smoke and mirrors early

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Speaker 2: because the competition. I think Temple might be a disaster.

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Speaker 2: It's Temple Northwestern, who also might be kind of a

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Speaker 2: disaster after to lose to Southern Illinois yep, and some

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Speaker 2: sort of very small north North Carolina A and T

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Speaker 2: A and M A and T. I'm impressed by we

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Speaker 2: talked about the manor impressed with the manner in which

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Speaker 2: they're winning. They're doing a lot of little things correctly.

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Speaker 2: By the way, it does help to be a former

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Speaker 2: Brian Kelly defensive coordinator to get a Power five job, right, So,

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Speaker 2: Mike Alco I think with his connection to the area,

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Speaker 2: I think he hired well. I think Riley Leonard looks

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Speaker 2: to be promising competition. He looks pretty good so far.

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Speaker 2: He looks confident, and they're going downfield. It's not a

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Speaker 2: lot of short stuff. The underlying information about Duke football,

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Speaker 2: right now, and I watched a good chunk of that

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Speaker 2: Northwestern game. Is they're playing with a good amount of effort,

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Speaker 2: which goes a long way when the talent level isn't

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Speaker 2: there and the roster isn't there. It does seem to

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Speaker 2: me that if we're going to use that key term

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Speaker 2: of drive, they're driving fast enough to draft off of

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Speaker 2: what tie, driving fast enough to draft off of drive

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Speaker 2: right behind and be prepared when something falls off of

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Speaker 2: the opportunity truck. The opportunity truck.

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Speaker 1: It took me a while.

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Speaker 2: It's ex because again you go through their schedule, Virginia

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Speaker 2: Tech opportunity truck in and of itself, Boston College opportunity

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Speaker 2: truck in and of itself. So the Drive to six

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Speaker 2: includes right there two programs that are telling the world,

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Speaker 2: hey guys, we beatable, Hey guys, you can have us.

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Speaker 2: So whatever you think of Kansas, which I don't think Kansas,

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Speaker 2: I think Kansas's opportunity truck is souped up a little

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Speaker 2: bit more than it's used to in a way that

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Speaker 2: Boston College and Virginia Tech's axels are not necessarily ready

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Speaker 2: to roll quickly. So I don't know how axles work.

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Speaker 2: I am I'm going to say Duke's drive to six

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Speaker 2: is looking and I'm inventing this scale on the fly.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say robust, brisk. I think there. I think

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Speaker 2: they have a really good shot of getting to six games.

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Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, again per sp plus, the worst remaining team

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Speaker 1: on this schedule is Georgia Tech.

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Speaker 2: Which doesn't say much for Tech.

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Speaker 1: Because we listed some other bad teams, but Tech is

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Speaker 1: in a bad place. There's a reason we called that,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Collins Collins excuse me at the beginning of the show.

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Speaker 1: So we will find out a lot more this week,

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Speaker 1: believe it or not. That Duke Kansas game, the Battle

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Speaker 1: of the Basketball schools, quote unquote, I do believe is

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Speaker 1: going to have a fair amount of interest among the

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Speaker 1: weirdos that listen to this show. You and I included, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure, you and I included. That's why it's part

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Speaker 1: of our weekly pick them game. That is part of

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Speaker 1: why it is going to be featured. As we go

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Speaker 1: through and talk about all things week four, we will

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Speaker 1: learn a lot more about both of these teams. Are

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Speaker 1: going to talk about Kansas here shortly as well. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if you have a lean in that game

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Speaker 1: perhaps we can save it for tomorrow. But I have

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Speaker 1: been impressed by Riley Leonard so far. He's completing about

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Speaker 1: seventy three percent of his passes. He does look confident,

602
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Speaker 1: and I think above all else it gets down to

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Speaker 1: like the friskiness quotient. It's not a real thing, right,

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Speaker 1: We make up these terms, these scales every week when

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Speaker 1: we do the show. But you do like the teams

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Speaker 1: that have a little bit of fight the drive, and

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Speaker 1: I think Duke in the early going has at least

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Speaker 1: shown that much to our surprise.

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Speaker 2: I just like the general. We were both pretty high

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Speaker 2: on the hire of Mike Elcho. When you bring in

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Speaker 2: a coordinator who has been at big places, who has

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Speaker 2: built up a resume and a rolladex of assistance, and

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Speaker 2: when he gets that opportunity at a place where he is,

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Speaker 2: you know, obviously aware going back to his time in

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Speaker 2: the state of North Carolina, that he's going to come

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Speaker 2: in with a vision and whatever we think of the

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Speaker 2: roster right now, I think it's going to continue to improve.

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Speaker 2: And it's in a good place of the country. And no,

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Speaker 2: Duke has the academic thing as well, but it's in

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Speaker 2: a good place of the country to restock in a

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Speaker 2: better way than where Duke was roster wise the last

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Speaker 2: couple of years under God. Now I'm forgetting on. I'm

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Speaker 2: seeing his face with his dyed hair Cutcliff coach cut. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: so yeah, I say drive to six successful. How about that?

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Speaker 2: I like it?

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Speaker 1: I like it all right. Sorry about Oregon State. We've

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Speaker 1: got Oregon State on this list. Boll team last year,

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Speaker 1: both team last year. And I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that I both, I think we both

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Speaker 1: think that Oregon State is pretty good. Yeah, pretty good offense.

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Speaker 1: I should qualify that per SP plus ninety seven percent

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Speaker 1: chance of winning at least six games, which sounds high,

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Speaker 1: but if you look at the remaining schedule, it computes

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Speaker 1: USC Utah back to back weeks tough. That's pretty tough.

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Speaker 1: Probably two losses, though they could knock off either one

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Speaker 1: of those teams. Who knows what their offense. Then we

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Speaker 1: got games against Stanford Washington State, which you know we'll

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Speaker 1: find out more about Wazoo this week as well against

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Speaker 1: Oregon Colorado. Colorado's a hot mess, Washington better than expected,

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Speaker 1: cal still knows how to play defense. ASU who knows

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Speaker 1: what state they'll be in by second to last week

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Speaker 1: of the season close out the year Platypus Cup against

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Speaker 1: Oregon So despite the fact that the projections seem to

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Speaker 1: like Oregon State, there are enough teams on here that

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Speaker 1: could really cause them some heartache. It does help though

646
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Speaker 1: that they've started three to zero thus far. They've beaten

647
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: Boise They've beaten Fresno, they've beaten Montana State. I think

648
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: we are both pretty keen on this offense.

649
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll pay good enhanced Boise State, to be clear,

650
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: especially in that first half of the number of turnovers

651
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 2: that then the havoc that they wreaked on the Broncos.

652
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we feel pretty good about this offense. It was

653
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: a question of defense going into this thing for Oregon State,

654
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: at least in the early going, for whatever that's worth.

655
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: The early going, the defense is better. It's better by

656
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: about thirty spots in the sp plus as compared to

657
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one.

658
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: Will that continue, I don't know. I have no idea.

659
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: They haven't played bad offenses in the form of Boise

660
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: State and Fresno thus far, so I'm curious to see

661
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: as they get into certainly this week against USC certainly

662
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: next week against Utah, They're gonna have plenty of opportunities

663
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: throughout the courts of the season to showcase what that

664
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: defense has done in the offseason, how it has improved,

665
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: if it has improved. Because there's also a game against Washington,

666
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: there's also a game against Oregon Like, there are at

667
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: least four or five teams on this thing that are

668
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: really going to test Oregon State.

669
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: Oregon State, for their part, might.

670
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: Be content to get into shootouts, and my hunch is

671
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: that with Jonathan Smith and his gambling tendencies, they'll probably

672
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: win a couple of them. But how good do we

673
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: think this team is? Is this let me let me

674
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: phrase it two this way?

675
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 2: Maybe is a.

676
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: Tease for our show tomorrow. All Right, I think we

677
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: both feel pretty confident that Oregon State's getting the six wins. Yes, totally, okay, Yes,

678
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: that being said, level of confidence that Oregon State is

679
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: good enough to catch USC and knock them off games

680
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: in corvallis.

681
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're good enough to win that game. You know,

682
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: we're sort of waiting for USC to play a different

683
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: type of game and see how they respond, especially with

684
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: that defense that you know, the forcing of the red

685
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: zone turnovers and you know, Fresno was driving with Jay

686
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: Hayner down I think twenty one to ten when he

687
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: got hurt in the third quarter. Now they comfortably won

688
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: that game. So it's like you're picking knits, You're you're

689
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: looking at very small things in moments, but it's a

690
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: four quarter game. Oregon State's good enough to win that game.

691
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: There is something, and this is gonna sound insulting to

692
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 2: both of these entities, there's something about, like the Princeton offense,

693
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: an Oregon States offense, the Princeton basketball offense, who do

694
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: they take down like UCLA, like prime nineties UCLA and

695
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: the NCAA tournament that when you watch Oregon States offense

696
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: and you're a team who can't generate open receivers and

697
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: open plays, you're like, well, the Beams are doing it.

698
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: If Oregon State can do it, why can't we major

699
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: major program to it. Why can't we Texas A and

700
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: M do it with five star athletes Oregon State doesn't have.

701
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: And so that's why they'll be in a position to

702
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: go to Bowls basically every year for as long as

703
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 2: Jonathan Smith is there, be it long term, be it short,

704
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: medium term, whatever. The defense is probably again bad this here.

705
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 2: That's the problem, Like, why wouldn't you just run straight

706
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: at Oregon State. They don't have much of a pass rush.

707
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: They're not stopping the run early on against what Fresno

708
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: and Boise and Montana State. I want to say is

709
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 2: who they played in Portland. So until they are able

710
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: to get that to average or slightly below average where

711
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: they're just frisky enough to get off the field at times,

712
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: maybe confuse a couple quarterbacks who are down, it's hard

713
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: to say that they're taking the next step into that

714
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: the best of what they were under Mike Riley or

715
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: Dennis Ericksson way back when. So yeah, I have them

716
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: squarely in that seven win footprint, which again considering some

717
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 2: of the lows under both Mike Riley and Gary Anderson,

718
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: you'll take because that also means you're probably threatening your

719
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: rivals in Oregon, Washington, in the Northwest.

720
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm scared to death of Oregon State, especially this

721
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: week against USC. I'll give it away. I'm taking Oregon State,

722
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily, not necessarily to win outright. Come when I

723
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: saw it, when I saw this line early on Sunday,

724
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: when it first dropped, it was seven seven favorite of USC.

725
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: On the road against Oregon State. I grab seven. It's

726
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: come down a little bit. I'm not sure what it's

727
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: at now. We'll find out in time for tomorrow. But

728
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: that USC Oregon game I think is going to be fine.

729
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: I think potentially a lot of points. I think they

730
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: get into trouble when they run up against teams like

731
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: Utah because Utah just plays a much different style of offense.

732
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 2: On a winning streak on a winning streak against Utah

733
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 2: on winning streak. But we'll see, we'll see.

734
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: I think we both feel very positively about Oregon State.

735
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: It is an open question for me of how good

736
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: do I want to feel about Oregon State. I've got

737
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: it as like an eight win team, right I think

738
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: by the time all is said and done, eight with

739
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 1: maybe a game or two that you could flirt with nine,

740
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: isn't there.

741
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: There's also a sense with Jonathan Smith just about program construction,

742
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 2: roster construction, that he hires West Coast guys that he's

743
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: familiar with, that he's worked with, that are legacies in

744
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: the Northwest. I think his defensive coordinator, let's Trent Bray,

745
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 2: played at Oregon State, has experienced a bit. You know,

746
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: it's good at Nebraska as a linebackers coach, and he

747
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 2: didn't try to hire young recruiters. Let's just you know,

748
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: he's hitting the portal smartly. Like there's just like he's

749
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: building a house slowly instead of trying to build it

750
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: real quick and flip it right. Well, and then's just

751
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 2: what we talked.

752
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: We talked about this when we did the preview. There

753
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: are some coaches and i'd include Mail Tucker, you know,

754
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: even Greg Shianna. We'll talk about Rutgers next, but coaches

755
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: that are not on the overthink express. They're doing exactly

756
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: what everyone says they should be doing. And of course

757
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't always work. But at least in the case

758
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: of Oregon State and frankly some of these other teams.

759
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: Rutgers again next, it does appear to be working. Team

760
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: is better than it was a year ago. So all right,

761
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: let's move on to Rutgers. Good chow, Let's talk Rutgers football.

762
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: Let's talk Rutgers football. Rutgers football is three to zero.

763
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: They've got wins on the road, a weird win Week

764
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: one on the road over Boston College twenty two to

765
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: twenty one. They crushed, absolutely obliterated Wagner for whatever that's worth.

766
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: Come on, Tyan, you were Seahawks, Seahawks, Seahawks all week long, continue.

767
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: Long, pause, and then last week on the road at

768
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: Temple a sixteen to fourteen wins. So the wins that

769
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: they've got here against Power five teams have both been

770
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: on the road. Neither has been all that exciting. For

771
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: what it's worth, They've got Iowa this week. They're about

772
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: a seven and a half point home dog. The over

773
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: under for that game is thirty five and a half

774
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: point thirty five and a half point.

775
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if I realized they were playing this weekend. Yeah,

776
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: which is just unwatchable.

777
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: That is Vegas telling you don't watch this game, don't

778
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: do it, don't put yourself through the Let's talk though,

779
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: about this Rutgers football team. Rutgers has a thirty seven

780
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: percent chance for the sp plus of winning six or

781
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: more football games. Great their schedule the rest of the

782
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: way gets in the way of that. A little bit

783
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: gets in the way of that.

784
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: A little bit.

785
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: Iowa and Ohio State back to back weeks. I don't

786
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: know if we think that highly of Iowa's offense, but

787
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: i Will still plays defense and that's going to be

788
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,959
Speaker 1: a challenge for this Rutgers offense, which at last check

789
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: is one hundred and third in the SP plus.

790
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 2: Not a good all. By the way, we talk about

791
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 2: the drive to six Rutgers, Iowa's gonna be the drive

792
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: to thirteen.

793
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: First one of thirteen. Get that dub continue amazing. We've

794
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: also got a game against Nebraska. There's an Indiana game here,

795
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: which might be the only winnable of the bunch here

796
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: of the remaining lot, Minnesota on the road, Michigan, Michigan State,

797
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: Penn State, back to back to back weeks. They close

798
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: out the year on the road at Maryland. That final

799
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: stretch of five games is brutal. So they've got two

800
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: stretches here with Iowa, Ohio State back back weeks. Then

801
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a break before they get

802
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: into it Halloween weekend, one more time. Minnesota, Michigan, Michigan State,

803
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: Penn State, Maryland. I do not feel confident that they're

804
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: getting the six wins. I have no doubt that they

805
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: will challenge a couple of those teams, like the game

806
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: against Indiana will be interesting. They're at home. The game

807
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: against Michigan for some portion of that game I think

808
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: will be interesting because home. Yeah, for some portion of

809
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: that game, they'll play super conservatively. They'll try to drain

810
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: the clock to try to keep it out of JJ

811
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: McCarthy's hands. They might keep that interesting for a quarter

812
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: before they get blown out. But otherwise here it's really

813
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: hard for me to see that path they get the

814
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: six wins.

815
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 2: Hmmm, Well, the Nebraska's not something you spend a ton

816
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: of time. They have the Huskers. I think that's the

817
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: Friday night of our live show. Do they play? Is

818
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: that a Friday night game?

819
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: October seventh, Soliverbolive dot com to see our show, not

820
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: this one.

821
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: We won't have the TV. We promise, yeah, now we

822
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: won't subject people to Nebraska. Rutgers football's fine. So we

823
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: talked about Oregon State going about its program building and

824
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 2: roster construction whatever in a smart way that like there's

825
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: a self awareness there. It seems like there's a self

826
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: awareness with Ruckers as well that I agree. We're leaning

827
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 2: into the Greg Ciano defense thing. We're leaning into transfers,

828
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: We're leaning into hiring assistants from the Northeast and have

829
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 2: the connections in New Jersey as an underrated state in

830
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: terms of developing high school talent and so far, again

831
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: it's what Boston College, Wagner and somebody who who did

832
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 2: they Temple beat Temple? Temple? Everybody gonna Temple this year probably,

833
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: But they get the hell off the field. They're not

834
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: wasting time on defense, aren't they something like fifteenth or

835
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: twentieth or something in terms of three and out percentage nationally?

836
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: So they get off the field against bad teams, which

837
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: makes me think they're going to get off the field.

838
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: We'll be a little bit less against even better teams.

839
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: That there's that confidence, the alignment, the responsibility, the effort

840
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: on defense is there, and they're building depth. I just

841
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be pain in the ass. They're

842
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: gonna bring teams down to their level, and they're not

843
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: going to be as good as Iowa. But are they

844
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: good enough to beat Iowa? And Iowa's especially bad on offense? Perhaps?

845
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: Are they good enough to beat a Nebraska team who

846
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: is willing to lose to you name it? Perhaps? So

847
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: I'm kind of if we're talking Indiana, who I'm not

848
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: a big believer, And still I think they're gonna be okay,

849
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: They'll be improved but Indiana. Am I fully sold on Maryland?

850
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: Not quite? Yeah, this is kind of a September Terps thing,

851
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: right Indiana, Nebraska, And I'm not sold on Penn State.

852
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: I think it's you're not sold in se No, I'm

853
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: not sold on Penn State being a challenge that Rutgers

854
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 2: will be a challenge for Penn State. I'm not sold

855
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: on that quite yet. But again, these are all a

856
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: lot of these programs, especially what Michigan be ruckers by

857
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: a touchdown last year at home. These are all programs

858
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 2: willing to have extremely off character and down weeks. They're

859
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: all willing to maybe without counting Ohio State, but these

860
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: are not bulletproof programs. And so if Rutgers is just

861
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: doing it with sloggy defense up front, then they're gonna

862
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: catch somebody sixteen thirteen. They just are. And I don't

863
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: know if that's win number five or win number six

864
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: or were number four, but they went to they kind

865
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: of went to a fake bowl game last year right

866
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: when they got that last second invite, lost to way

867
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: Wake Forest at five and seven. So yeah, I'm in

868
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: for a similar season that the drive is going to

869
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: be that they have enough gas to draft off the

870
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: opportunity truck.

871
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: You could see them Halloween weekend going to Minnesota and

872
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: we get a Minnesota stinker where they're hyper conservative.

873
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: They try to run the ball.

874
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: Rutgers knows it's coming, probably not good enough to fully

875
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: contain Moe Ibrahem, but you know they're not really going

876
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: to air it out. That's just not the style of play.

877
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 1: See that one being closer than might meet the eye.

878
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: I've got him for five. I think they can get

879
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: to five, but six to me is really pushing.

880
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: It all right. Aaron, by the way, watching along on

881
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: forballers dot Com, says New Jersey is underrated in general.

882
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 2: I agree, okay, I agree there you. I'm a big

883
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: fan of the state of New Jersey. My people hail

884
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: from the great state of New Jersey, the Garden State.

885
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: A couple more teams here, Kansas Okay three and oh

886
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: three and oh Kansas thirty five percent chance of going

887
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: six or more wins. They've beaten Tennessee Tech, They've beaten

888
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: West Virginia, They've beaten Houston. The Houston win in particular

889
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: was especially impressive. Also impressive here is the fact that

890
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: they scored fifty six fifty five and forty eight points

891
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: in their first three games, respectively. This is not an

892
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: offense with Jalen Daniels that has had trouble against the

893
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: competition through three weeks. When it comes to moving the

894
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: football and putting up points, you can do a hell

895
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: of a lot worse than that. You can more a

896
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: hell of a lot worse than that. If nothing more,

897
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: Kansas football has ascended to the point where it is

898
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: now entertaining, and that's an upgrade given where this program's been.

899
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: That's a huge freakin upgrade. So I'll due credit to

900
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: not just Jalen Daniels, but Lancel I pulled and what

901
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: he's been able to do in very short order at Kansas.

902
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: The game against Duke this week I think is going

903
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: to be particularly interesting. Kansas favored by about nine points

904
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: in that game. We can talk more about that on

905
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: the recap show or the preview show. Excuse me and

906
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: the recap show for what it's worth. The rest of

907
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: the way, here is what Kansas has in front of them.

908
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: Iowa State TCU back to back road games at Oklahoma

909
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: and Baylor before a bye week. Then as they get

910
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: into the month of November, Oklahoma State at Texas Tech.

911
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: Texas closed out the year against Kansas State on the road,

912
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: so they're getting into the thick of their Big Twelve

913
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: schedule starting up in the month of October. I feel

914
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: like Kandris Kansas excuse me, is particularly dangerous, Okay, per

915
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: the sp plus a thirty five percent chance of winning

916
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: six or more games. I just feel like, whenever you've

917
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: got an offense like this, and granted it may all

918
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: revolve around one player, but still, you can do a

919
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: lot worse than having one really good player. In college football,

920
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: We've seen that work for any number of other teams

921
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: in the past. Jalen Daniels right now, completing about a

922
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: sixty seven percent clip of his passes not turning the

923
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: football over through the air seven to one touchdown interception ratio,

924
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: leads the team in rushing yardage, also has three touchdowns

925
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: on the ground, so he is clearly the focal point

926
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: of their offense. They will obviously go up against defenses

927
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: that are good enough to contain him, but there are

928
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: plenty of other teams here in the Big Twelve that

929
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: I don't know where their defense stands, and you could

930
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: certainly see a scenario in which Jalen Daniels tortures them

931
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: as well. So given the fact that they're already at

932
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: three wins, I feel awesome that Kansas is getting a six.

933
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: I feel great about this drive for six.

934
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: Okay, I perhaps don't feel as good as you do,

935
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: judging by your enthusiasm. I feel good about them today. Yeah.

936
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: The problem with Kansas right now to me is the

937
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: thinness of this roster and what this defense looks like

938
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: over the course of the year, that even if their

939
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: offense is still humming, scoring fifty ish points against your

940
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 2: West Virginia's and your Houston's, that they're giving up fifty

941
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 2: eight because two defensive linemen went down in the backups

942
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: are just not as good, are just not and the

943
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: starters aren't great right now in that front seven. So

944
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: it's just such a thin line right now that they're

945
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: tiptoeing across because of depth, and so I think they're

946
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: going to score points against a lot of teams. And like,

947
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: I'm not super high on the Baylor pickleball offense at

948
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: the moment, I'm not super high on the Kansas State

949
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: offense at the moment. I'm not super high on Texas

950
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: Tech just in general, at the moment. There's a lot

951
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: of things to hesitate about regarding a lot of these

952
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 2: Big twelve schools, but a lot of them have built

953
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: up rosters and have backups that are probably going to

954
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: be closer to their starters.

955
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: Now.

956
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 2: Look, there's a lot of changing. The new coach of

957
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 2: Texas Tech, new coach at TCU, new quarterback at Baylor,

958
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 2: new there's a lot of new at a lot of

959
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: different places. But I just think depth wise and the

960
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 2: toll of the season wise, I think it's going to

961
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: be a lot closer to five than seven to me

962
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 2: for Kansas football. But in terms of being a hard out,

963
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: in terms of in the way that they put the

964
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: fear of God into TCU in West Virginia last year,

965
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 2: they're going to be doing that more often this year.

966
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 2: So I think it's I think it's within the realm

967
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 2: of possibility. I just think that roster, and even as

968
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 2: impressively as they hit the portal, I think that roster

969
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 2: is just in a more precarious spot to get it

970
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: done weekend week out. Yeah, I mean, I'm probably going

971
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: to take Duke in this game. Where's the game? It's

972
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: a game is in Kansas.

973
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: Oh, But the point spread's nine, and I feel like

974
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: there is probably a little bit of undue hype for

975
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: both sides of this equation. It's a letdown spot letdown

976
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: spot for sure, And like I said at the top,

977
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: Duke has been playing really impressive defense so far. Not

978
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: the best competition, but still I think their body of

979
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: work has been impressive for the teams that they have

980
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: played and what that looks like on an adjusted basis.

981
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: I also think it's important that people live in reality totally.

982
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: It's really important, like a lot of people don't do

983
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: that when it comes to Kansas football or really life

984
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: in general. If broaden this out, but we've had a

985
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: lot of commentary when we put together over Ball or

986
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: Top ten Paul and I know most people are tongue

987
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: in cheek about it, but we didn't even have Kansas

988
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: on the list of the top thirty teams, and people

989
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: are not so much calling for Kansas to be a

990
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: top ten team. I don't think most people outside of

991
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: perhaps Lancelot I Pulled and Jalen Daniels, believe that. But

992
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: the amount of pushback we got to the fact that

993
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: they're not even on that list is kind of surprising

994
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: to me. This is not a top thirty team. This

995
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: is a fun team.

996
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: Is it? Is he team the root for.

997
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: We're certainly gonna root like hell for Kansas to get

998
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: the six to go beyond. It'd be a great story.

999
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: It might be the best story in college football if

1000
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: they can continue at this clip. But let's pump the

1001
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: brakes a little bit here. I like this team to

1002
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: get the six wins, but put them in my top thirty.

1003
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think you need to ignore

1004
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: ironic online college football fans. I'm not talking about ironic

1005
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 2: online college football fans. I'm talking about it for bowlers. No.

1006
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: I understand people are like, hey, where's Kansas? Yeah, send

1007
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: in private messages, where's Kansas? Why's Kansas not on here?

1008
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I asked them, ask them to wager one

1009
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: thousand dollars on Kansas against the tie rifteen team, and

1010
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: then they're going to be a little bit less excited

1011
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 2: about having them in the top ten as an option.

1012
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: I respect that viewpoint. I respect the enthusiasm for Kansas.

1013
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: I am right there with you. Yeah, but pump the

1014
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 1: frickin breaks?

1015
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: Okay? Can we pump breaks? Everybody?

1016
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's live in reality here for a second. Six wins,

1017
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: count me in, count me in for and entertaining an

1018
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: entertaining season ahead, probably an entertaining game this week against

1019
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: Duke Like. They are nothing if not plucky and dangerous

1020
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 1: given their offense and their coach, who's a good coach.

1021
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: But Jalen Daniels is randomly excellent. I don't think he

1022
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: had any other Power five offers. I just quickly looked

1023
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: at his twenty four to seven page and it's a

1024
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: lot of like New Hampshire Air Force, Bryant, Eastern Washington.

1025
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 2: That's that is a wild Then that happens. That happens

1026
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: with G time guys. We saw with Grayson McCall. We've

1027
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: seen it all over the place. And now obviously the

1028
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 2: movement between you know, promising backups who were recruited by

1029
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: a number of schools going to a G five place

1030
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: and thriving, that happens much more often. But yeah, Jalen

1031
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 2: Daniels randomly being really scary and good for Kansas is

1032
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: you know, awesome falling through the cracks of recruiting. It's

1033
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: always a cool story.

1034
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 1: Final talking point here before we let the fine people go. Yes,

1035
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 1: there are two teams on our list that have one

1036
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: loss and matching six percent probabilities of getting to six

1037
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: wins or more. Okay, those are the Arizona Wildcats two

1038
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: and one beat San Diego State, beat North Dakota State,

1039
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: lost in Mississippi State Week two m.

1040
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 2: H and Vandy.

1041
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: Vandy's three and one because Vandy played that Hawaii game,

1042
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: destroyed Hawaii on the road no less in week zero

1043
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: sixty three to ten. They've also beaten Elin and Northern Illinois.

1044
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: They lost to Wake for us by twenty Vandy three

1045
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 1: and one, Arizona two and one. As I said, matching

1046
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: six percent likelihood per the spplus of getting to six

1047
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: or more wins. Of those two teams, the only answer

1048
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: for which one is more likely to get the six

1049
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: wins is Arizona, right.

1050
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 2: Given the schedule? Yeah?

1051
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, given the schedule, it is Arizona. So I want

1052
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: you to walk down that treacher path of getting Vandy

1053
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: to six wins and tell me what that looks like

1054
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: and how it could possibly occur.

1055
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: You want me to paint you the universe in which

1056
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: Vandy gets to six wins, right now, build me that

1057
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: Vandy universe, all right? Miszoo, South Carolina Florida, Tennessee are

1058
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: all prone to full collapses emotionally, spiritually, physically, football wise, whatever. No,

1059
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: they're not going to get there. But could they do

1060
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: something weird and beat Miszoo in South Carolina? Sure, that's

1061
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: the path to five you asked me to do. Six

1062
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: is a bridge too far. But the depths of Miszoo,

1063
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 2: the woeful play, especially on offense at times, and Lucky.

1064
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 2: You can't judge a team against I'm an Oregon fan.

1065
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 2: You can't judge a team against Georgia. You just can't.

1066
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: Don't do that. Don't do that to yourself. I'm still

1067
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 2: worried about South Carolina. I don't think I'm worried about Florida.

1068
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: But the progress of Anthony Richardson the opportunity truck is

1069
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: going a little bit further farther in the distance.

1070
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 1: Might be rolling down the hill in Neutral.

1071
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's weird to me. They could be sort

1072
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 2: of the like Week one. They look like their way

1073
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: ahead of things, like the eighteen wheeler truck with tyrons.

1074
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 2: We're like, oh no, that was a Week one thing.

1075
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 2: I am confident in Vanderbilt and their ability to maintain

1076
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 2: a healthy distance behind like the Northwestern at its best

1077
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 2: opportunity truck, the Pat Fitzgerald of the South. I think

1078
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: they're doing again. It's it's correct construction that they are

1079
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,479
Speaker 2: going to be built like a six and six SEC team,

1080
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: and when teams completely implode, when programs implode, like I

1081
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 2: don't know, pretty much everybody the SEC East is prone

1082
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: to doing outside of Georgia and Kentucky. At the moment,

1083
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: I think Vandy might find themselves in an interesting spot.

1084
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: So I don't think they're getting to six games this year.

1085
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: I don't think they're probably getting a five games this year. No,

1086
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: But are they get Are they gonna lose more games

1087
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: thirty to twenty four instead of thirty to three?

1088
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: I say, yes, Yeah, this is a team that Gosh,

1089
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: if you look at SP numbers from years past, it's

1090
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: been all deep red, which is not good. That that

1091
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: signifies bad. And so far in the early going, there

1092
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: have been market improvements across the board offense, defense, special teams,

1093
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: just the overall rank. Again, it's early, but this is

1094
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: all opponent adjusted stuff. We trust our friend Bill pretty

1095
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: deeply here with a lot of this stuff, and you

1096
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: know the proofs in the pudding there three and one.

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00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 2: And yeah, what if aj Swan's really good, Yeah, then

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00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 2: he's If AJ Swan is really good, then he's one

1099
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 2: of the best five quarterbacks in the SEC. Like, it's

1100
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 2: not an incredible SEC quarterback here, so I'd not to

1101
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 2: heap that kind of expectation on him, but that takes

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00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: them pretty far.

1103
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: Six touchdowns, no interceptions, true Ridge average net yards per

1104
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 1: attempt is twelve point zero, which is really damn good.

1105
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this year it's price Love, It's Stetson Bennett,

1106
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: It's kJ Jefferson, Will Evis, and then Hendon Hooker. So okay,

1107
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: so there's your obvious A list group. Will Rogers, I

1108
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 2: think Will Rodgers is there's a drop off before Will

1109
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 2: Rogers probably. I think there's a drop off before Jackson

1110
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 2: Dart definitely drop off between that top group and whatever

1111
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: A and M is doing at quarterback and Anthony Richardson,

1112
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: I think there's a drop off before him. Spencer Rattler

1113
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 2: has a drop off before him. So I'm just saying,

1114
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 2: especially in the East, there's some opportunity. There's some opportunity

1115
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: when one of these teams is a mess, which you

1116
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: can never fully write off. Florida or Tennessee from being

1117
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 2: a mess that oh Fandy just beat Tennessee, why not?

1118
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: And they have So I'm I'm in on an improving Vandy.

1119
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: Think it's going to take two more years.

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Speaker 1: It was four star aj Swan. Yeah, didn't get a

1121
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: lot of big offers.

1122
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 2: But you look at what Vandy's done on the trail

1123
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: and you know your credit. You know, Barton Simmons is

1124
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: the former podcaster, yep U director of player personnel or whatever.

1125
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 2: If they're finding those three stars who are like the

1126
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 2: number twenty seven linebacker, the number thirty eight left tackle,

1127
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 2: the number forty, you gonna win games. You're not gonna

1128
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 2: win a lot of SEC games. Is not gonna be

1129
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 2: a nine win team, win some games though, I like it.

1130
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 2: Let's close this out here very quickly.

1131
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: Let's mention Arizona. A lot of good vibes on Arizona

1132
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: right now, A lot of good vibes on Arizona. The

1133
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: schedule does get tougher, it does get tougher. This week

1134
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: on the road at Cow almost feels essential if they

1135
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: want to get the six wins, as does next week

1136
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: at home against Colorado, because the rest of the way,

1137
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: you've got Oregon, you've got Washington. You've got USC and Utah,

1138
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:03,919
Speaker 1: all four of those teams in a five week span,

1139
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: which is just brutal close out the year at UCLA,

1140
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: Washington State, Arizona State. So the thinking would be, you

1141
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: beat cal you beat Colorado. That gets you two four wins,

1142
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: because this team is two and one at the moment,

1143
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: and then you got to pick off two across the board.

1144
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,439
Speaker 1: Maybe it's UCLA, maybe it's Washington State, maybe it's Arizona State.

1145
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: It's a very narrow path to get the six. I

1146
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 1: think most impressively, we've talked a lot on this show

1147
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: about coaches that aren't overthinking it. Jedfish is another one

1148
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: that I would throw into that category. He's just building

1149
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: things in a way that makes a lot of sense. Yeah,

1150
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: he needed help at quarterback. You went out and got

1151
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: Jayden Delara like he's He's recruited skill position guys or

1152
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: guy Temac coming over from California freshman.

1153
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 2: Why I'm the guy from UTAP Jacob calling.

1154
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: Jacob cally also working the portal, bring in support where

1155
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: it's needed. So this is a team that feels very

1156
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: plucky to me in terms of plucky, frisky All Stars

1157
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: Arizona is up there, and there are a lot of

1158
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: good vibes, and it can be a weird place to play.

1159
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: And so I don't know if you're Oregon going on

1160
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: the road, I don't know if you're usc going on

1161
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: the road. But I don't think it's too far beyond

1162
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: Arizona to just scare the hell out of someone. I'm

1163
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: not sure they're winning those games, but I expect Arizona

1164
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: to be at least frisky enough to be in this thing.

1165
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: Most of the games on the schedule get to like

1166
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: five wins. Six feels like a little bit of a

1167
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: stretch to.

1168
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 2: Me, though. Yeah, before the season started, I had them

1169
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 2: in my mind as a three ish win program, and I'll

1170
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 2: have them as a five ish when program after all.

1171
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: By the way, yeah, five and seven, looking right at you,

1172
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: I was all in on Arizona being better than expected.

1173
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I uh, with what Colorado and Arizona State look

1174
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 2: like at the moment. That's two. That's two of the

1175
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 2: needed three to get to five, right, Yep. So you talk,

1176
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 2: UCLA is currently a Southern Alabama ish program, are they not?

1177
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: That is what we are led to believe after what

1178
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: we saw in week three.

1179
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 2: I'm not fully and we're now just talking about two

1180
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 2: song games. I'm not fully sold on Washington State. On offense, no,

1181
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think Washington and Oregon are pretty good.

1182
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 2: I think USC and Utah are pretty good. But ASU, UCLA,

1183
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 2: Colorado Cal still not figuring out offense. There's a path

1184
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 2: if Arizona injury luck and you know, forcing turnovers, getting

1185
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: off the field, whatever, because I think the offense will

1186
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 2: be fine, but there's a path to that five ish

1187
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 2: win jump.

1188
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: Let's send a big shout out to some of our

1189
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Speaker 1: premium for ballers who are watching, who are waiting, who

1190
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Speaker 1: are in joining this live hopefully enjoying the slide branded

1191
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Speaker 1: Jason Cale you mentioned Aaron earlier, Andrew. Who else we

1192
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: got in Sean mister Pizza Cooley always in mainstay mm

1193
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: hmm another Shane here. We got all sorts of action,

1194
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: Dan different, Dan and Chris, Danny.

1195
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 2: You'll like going through a sixth grade classroom taking role

1196
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 2: Danny Andrew, Aaron by the way, G five wise real quick,

1197
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 2: and then let's just get the heck out of here.

1198
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 2: Youn LV UNLV disastrous these past few years, very absolute disasters.

1199
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 2: But here's what we have so far. They're two and one.

1200
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 2: They beat North Texas comfortably, they beat Idaho State comfortably,

1201
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 2: and they kind of barely lost to Cal. Another incitement

1202
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 2: against Cal. But the Mountain West, the bottom of the

1203
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: Mountain West is pretty bad. So if you and LV

1204
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: found a quarterback, Doug Brumfield has done well. Younger QB

1205
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 2: their schedule right now, and what I guess you're looking

1206
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 2: at Bill's thing. Hawaii is a nightmare, Nevada is a nightmare.

1207
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 2: New Mexico's nightmayor Utah State after winning the conference last year,

1208
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 2: might be a secret nightmare in not a good way.

1209
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 2: I don't think they're being the Notre dame, but San

1210
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 2: Diego State's offense might be trash. I'm just saying, UNLV, Yeah,

1211
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 2: if the Brumfield bandwagon is taking on new passengers, like

1212
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 2: U and LV could just scoop up, like, oh, we're

1213
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 2: the worst five and seventeen in America, the worst six

1214
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 2: and six team in America. Like, I think the drive

1215
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: is actually pretty real for the Rebels right now? How

1216
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 2: about that? The drive is real? Marcus Arroyo, who I

1217
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 2: did not have a terrific relationship with as an Oregon fan,

1218
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 2: but I think he's hired pretty well. I don't know.

1219
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 2: I think they're hitting the portal pretty hard. And like

1220
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 2: they they went after Harrison Bailey, like the former blue

1221
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 2: chip Harrison Bailey is not being great. He hasn't been great,

1222
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 2: but like he hasn't been loyal to guys because of names.

1223
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 2: Brumfield is the guy entered the portal last year. Convinced

1224
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: him to come back. Awesome, He's OKOD. So I'm saying

1225
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 2: the bottom Mount West is kind of trash right now,

1226
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: and so it's good to be near the bottom, but

1227
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 2: not the bottom.

1228
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: Seventy three percent likelihood of getting the six wins, that's

1229
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: not bad. Six wins are more unlv not bad.

1230
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 2: They were an over team a couple of years ago.

1231
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: They were really bad, Yeah, really bad. Two years ago

1232
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: they were one hundred and twenty third nationally. Yeah, and

1233
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: last year only like ten spots better. So again, slow

1234
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: and steady progress here, mm hmm is definitely.

1235
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 2: The name of the game.

1236
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: They've actually been quite good on special teams, which when

1237
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: you're trying to like when you're trying to cut corners

1238
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: as best you can, being good on special teams can help.

1239
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm in all right, don't forget to going out to

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Speaker 1: your neck of the woods, but we're giving away CJ.

1247
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Speaker 2: Stroud.

1248
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Speaker 1: I've got Michael Mayer behind me right now. For those

1249
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: watching on the video, I'm going to give that out.

1250
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Speaker 1: Send that guy out here in short order. We're giving

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Speaker 1: away all sorts of cool stuff here as we wind

1252
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: through this college football season here in twenty twenty two.

1253
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Speaker 2: Daniel, I have nothing to add.

1254
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Speaker 1: You nailed it for that guy over there, my good

1255
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Speaker 1: friend Dan Rubinstein, for all of our most ardent and

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Speaker 1: passionate for bawlers who are watching live at home via

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Speaker 1: verbawlers dot com, and for myself, Ty Hildenbrandt, thank you

1258
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Speaker 1: so much for downloading, for listening, for playing along with

1259
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Speaker 1: our badness wherever you may be.

1260
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Speaker 2: We will be back tomorrow.

1261
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Speaker 1: We're going to preview week four. In the meantime, as always,

1262
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Speaker 1: stay solid, peace,