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Speaker 1: of his peers kind of petered out between thirty eight

425
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: and forty. Right Drew Brees his last year, he was shot.

426
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,719
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger could barely throw the ball. Same thing with Peyton Manning.

427
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: You know why. That's what happens at thirty eight thirty

428
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: nine years old in the NFL, and Cousins, unlike Rogers,

429
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: not a great athlete. Now. I don't know the impact

430
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 1: of athleticism in terms of an achilles rehab, but it

431
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: can't be nothing. And because at least Rogers, even if

432
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 1: he can't move nearly the same as he did five

433
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: years ago, Honestly, in his couple plays that he had

434
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: before it popped, I didn't think he was moving the

435
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: same in a New York Jets jersey as he did

436
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: like three years ago. Cousins has never been able to move.

437
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,719
Speaker 1: This to me, doesn't just have ramifications on this season

438
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: because he's out with the Minnesota Vikings. To me, he

439
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: would have been one of the great wild cards this offseason.

440
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: There were so many teams and the team I kept

441
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: thinking of the Atlanta Falcons. They're a quarterback away from

442
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: thinking that's a ten to eleven win team. They're good

443
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: on defense, they have a ton of talent on offense.

444
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: Their quarterbacks are just god awful. Desmond Ritter should be

445
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: competing to be your backup quarterback, not your starting quarterback.

446
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,719
Speaker 1: It's why yesterday when everyone's all he got knocked out

447
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 1: of the game with a concussion, and then the coach said, well,

448
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: actually didn't have a concussion, he got benched. He's not

449
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 1: any good You play him. I don't care if Jerry

450
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: Rice is lining up out there or Drake London and

451
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. You're gonna lose more games than you win.

452
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: And I was like, you don't think they, especially with

453
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: all these young players on rookie contracts, wouldn't be aggressive

454
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: for Kirk Cousins, that wouldn't be a major upgrade. And

455
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith would be going we're gonna win this division.

456
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: Well that that's not an option anymore. Like I'm not

457
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: saying cousins career is over, but Cousin's career of getting

458
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: these massive contracts is put on Holt, you know the

459
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: name that I thought of actually today because I was

460
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: listening to Mike Sando on with Roussillo, and he talked

461
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: about how these teams and these owners are much more

462
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 1: willing to eat cash. They've already paid it. These teams,

463
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: especially these big money owners, the newer Moneys, have so

464
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: much money that Russell Wilson's already been paid a large

465
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: percentage of his contract. Now it impacts the books, but

466
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: they've already given them eighty five ninety million dollars. He

467
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 1: obviously has more money coming. But could there be a

468
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: situation where Atlanta is so desperate. They're clearly not bad

469
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: enough to get like a top ten pick this year,

470
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: but they're not good enough where they're going to make

471
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I'm shorten them hard. What if they could

472
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: work out something, Because I've been one saying, under no

473
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Speaker 1: circumstances is anyone going to be interested in Russell Wilson.

474
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: I watched him a little bit yesterday, and he's clearly

475
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: not the same guy. He's sixteen touchdowns, four interceptions, He's

476
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: definitely more functional than he was last year. What if

477
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: you get to the point where Denver just kind of

478
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: eat some of the money, right a little bit like

479
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when von Miller was traded

480
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: to the Rams for a second and third round pick.

481
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 1: They ate I think ninety percent of his contract. Now,

482
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't exactly know how all this would work, but

483
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: in a situation where you're not just handing them the

484
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: player in the contract, you go, listen, we'll eat fifty

485
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: percent of his cash. So you're getting a guy, you know,

486
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: instead of forty five million dollars a year on your books,

487
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: it'll be like twenty three million dollars a year. That's

488
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: still a major upgrade over what they have. And they

489
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: might just be desperate enough to do something like that.

490
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: Not saying it will happen, but listen to sand Doough.

491
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 1: Let's face it, Sean Payton hates his entire team, win

492
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: loser draw. I don't think he likes any of these guys,

493
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: wants no part to Russell Wilson, and like most conventional

494
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: wisdom would say, stuck with a contract can unload, well

495
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: unless you eat some of the money. A lot of

496
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 1: times teams when they're trading these contracts, why Jalen Ramsey

497
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: only goes for a third round pick because you take

498
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: on the whole contract back, so you're kind of stuck

499
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: with it. Well, if I take on some of that

500
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: debt and i'd pay it down, maybe we can work

501
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: something out. Not for a pick of value. But that's

502
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: a team that I thought Cousins had written all over it.

503
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: What if they get really desperate eat some money. Russell

504
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: Wilson Atlanta is a team to keep the eye on

505
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: trade deadline. There was a trade today Seattle, who now

506
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: finds themselves in first place, trade a second round pick

507
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: for Leonard Williams, former USC top five defensive tackle, maybe

508
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: went six in the draft because I think Amari Cooper

509
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: went four. It was between him and Amari to the Raiders.

510
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: They took Amari and then Leonard went a couple picks later.

511
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: There were like rumors that he had a bad shoulder.

512
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: Solid player, I would not call some elite game changer.

513
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: When I just saw this come across my phone, the

514
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: first thing I thought about was I was like oh,

515
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: they got a guy under contract for the next couple

516
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: of years. Why they gave that much for him and

517
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: then immediately get home, go to the computer. He's a

518
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: free agent. A little head scratching. Now here's the thing

519
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: with Seattle. They've been known to live in the moment.

520
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: They've been known to lean aggressive. They are not afraid

521
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: to fail with trades. Right, Jamal Adams somehow still around.

522
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: They're paying them a lot of money. They gave you

523
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: up two ones and a two for that guy. They

524
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: traded a one for Percy Harvin. That blew up in

525
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: their face. But they've also been aggressive on the flip side.

526
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: They traded Russell Wilson when it's easy to say hindsight,

527
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: Monday Morning quarterback was a genius trade. I, along with

528
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: most people, thought they were fucking idiots and it was

529
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: gonna be a disaster and tank their franchise. It's been

530
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: the complete opposite. They got both middle fingers up laughing

531
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: at everybody as they are cruising to the playoffs for

532
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: the second straight year with Gino Smith at quarterback. Now,

533
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is some game changing trade. I'm

534
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: just saying from their mindset, you know, they don't get

535
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: caught up with paying one hundred and twenty cents on

536
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: the dollar, because that's kind of what they did here.

537
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: They need more defensive line help. I people have been

538
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: running down their throat. But I'll say this about Seattle

539
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: that they have really really proven a lot these last

540
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: couple of years. Pete John, the infrastructure of the franchise,

541
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 1: the way they've drafted. Once they got some of those

542
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson picks, that's the win. They got a little

543
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: bit lucky. But I mean, you're playing PJ. Walker, You're

544
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: gonna have a chance to win, whether there's thirty seconds

545
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: left or you know, the entire game left. And they

546
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: pulled it out. And they who caught the game when

547
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: he touched down Jackson Smith and Jigba really good player

548
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: like him and DK Tyler Lockett. They're a problem. Kenneth Walker,

549
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: Charbonnay like their offensive skill guys are pretty good. Their

550
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: defense is just solid. I think they're looking at it,

551
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: especially after the Niners lose, like why can't why can't

552
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: we win this division? We haven't even played them yet.

553
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 1: They got to come here in a short week on Thanksgiving.

554
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: I think so, I think I think Seattle's kind of

555
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: feeling themselves right now. We'll see how it plays out

556
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: over the season, but you got to give it to

557
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: John and Pete that they ain't scared MVP talk. One

558
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: thing I've never understood in college football is and this

559
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: was what was cool about Devonte Smith winning the Heisman Trophy,

560
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: is why why don't we just rename it the Quarterback Award?

561
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: If you're just gonna give it to quarterbacks every single year,

562
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: just rename it the Quarterback Heisman, because that's essentially what

563
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: it's become. They're the only guys that can win it.

564
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: I think the MVP really became that. I remember being

565
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: a kid when Barry Sanders split it with Brett Favre

566
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: and it was clear, like Barry Sanders one of the

567
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: best players in the league. There was the year I

568
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: think JJ Watt was the best player in the NFL

569
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: and he couldn't win it. Aaron Donald had some years

570
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: like couldn't you just give him the MVP? But it's

571
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: like a quarterback and quarterback and quarterback. And obviously there

572
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: were some years if Tom Brady's thrown for fifty touchdowns

573
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: or Mahomes or Peyton Manning. This to me feels like

574
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: a year these two wide receivers AJ Brown and Tyreek Hill.

575
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: AJ currently has sixty catches, nine hundred and thirty nine yards,

576
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: five touchdowns. He has one hundred and twenty five plus

577
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: yards in like eight straight games. Tyreek Hill is obliterating

578
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: everyone he plays sixty one catches, one thousand yards and

579
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: nine touchdowns. I mean, Tyrek Hill's currently headed for about

580
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty catches, twenty one hundred yards and

581
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: about twenty touchdowns if he does anything remotely close to that,

582
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 1: kind of like the year Adrian Peterson ran for two

583
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: thousand yards. One of these guys you could argue currently

584
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: Mahomes obviously was just sick, played shitty, and like Lamar,

585
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: how can one of these guys not legitimately be in

586
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: the MVP race. If you were a voter for the

587
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: MVP and these guys keep playing like they're playing, and

588
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: the Eagles are the number one seed, if Miami wins

589
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: thirteen games, how could you not vote for one of

590
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: these guys? Like what would Lamar or especially Lamar and Mahomes,

591
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: who I would say were the quarterbacks coming into this

592
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: week who you would say are definitely in the MVP,

593
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, mix. I would say Lamar's probably based on

594
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: what he's been dealing with in the bar he had

595
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: set given the last year, I would probably put him

596
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: even ahead of Mahomes Josh Allen, you know, not far behind,

597
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: but like I think I'd vote for Tyreek. If you

598
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: tell me that Miami Dolphins win thirteen games, Tyreek Hill

599
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: would get my vote. If you tell me the Eagles

600
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: basically do the same thing they did last year and

601
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: win fifteen or sixteen games and cruise the number one

602
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: seed and AJ continues to do this, I would probably

603
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: put Tyreek Hill over AJ Brown just given I think

604
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 1: what AJ and he is dominant to me, I've been

605
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: saying it for a while. He's like if George Kittle

606
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: and Deebo Samuel had a baby, Like, what are you

607
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: supposed to do with that? How do you cover this guy?

608
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: And no one does? His team, to me, is better

609
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: than Tyreek's. I mean, Tyreek's offensive line wasn't good to

610
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: start the season, and now he's playing with me, you

611
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: and like three other guys like I'm sorry, Jalen, and

612
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: just the crew that he's playing with. AJ is just

613
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: better than what Tyreek's doing. That's why I'd give him

614
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: the slight edge. But I wouldn't have any problem if

615
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: any voter wants to vote for one of these guys.

616
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: I just think we need to make it more common

617
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: to stop vot voting for quarterbacks if other positions like

618
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: these two guys throw their hat in the ring. Let's

619
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: end with this. My friends at Morgan and Morgan player

620
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 1: that made it look easy. We go with a lot

621
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: of players. Tyreek AJ Brown good examples. Tonight Gibbs with

622
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: the Lions was awesome. But anytime a rookie quarterback makes

623
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: his debut, it's pretty cool. And it's one thing when

624
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: it's like a Tommy DeVito and no one's ever heard

625
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: of him, or the dude from the Bears Badget, that's like,

626
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: I don't even know who this guy is. Another one

627
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: is Will Levis, who at one point in time in

628
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: Will Levis's collegiate career, I thought he had a chance

629
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: to be the number one overall pick. His junior year

630
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: at Kentucky, they were really good and he physically, you know,

631
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: he's sixty three, sixty four, he's got a huge arm.

632
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: It's like this is kind of what it looks like

633
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: and then his senior year disaster offensive coordinator from the

634
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, rich S Gangarello. They implode, the team's

635
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: not as good and it's a problem. And then come

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Speaker 1: draft time, he doesn't get drafted in the first round.

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Speaker 1: He goes to the Titans. It doesn't even feel like

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Speaker 1: it's going that well in the Titans, right, Like Malik Willis,

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Speaker 1: who is just he plays quarterback, but when you watch

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Speaker 1: him play quarterback, you're like, this is not a quarterback

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00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: was ahead of him on the depth chart. And then

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Speaker 1: even last year when last week when Tannehill got hurt,

643
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, Rabel's gonna do this thing.

644
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: It's like college football, They're gonna split reps in the game.

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Speaker 1: Like what And then he just goes to will Levis

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Speaker 1: And then trust me, I mean, I gotta admit be

647
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Speaker 1: candid here. This is a podcast. I wasn't super locked

648
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: in coming into the day on Falcons Titans. I didn't

649
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: even watch that much of the game. But I went

650
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: back and watched every throw some of his and he

651
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: threw four touchdowns, Hopkins had three. Some of the incompletions

652
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: in that game were jaw dropping, like they were sweet.

653
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: Some of his best throws in that game were incompletions.

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00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: His fourth touchdown kind of rolling to the right across

655
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: his body bombback left was really impressive. Now it's pro sports.

656
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: Becoming a good player is not about being a one

657
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: hit wonder or even having one good year. It's about

658
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Speaker 1: doing it over and over and over again. In help

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Speaker 1: they play this Thursday night against the Pittsburgh Steelers TJ.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be very, very difficult. He's making the start,

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Speaker 1: But you gotta give it to Will Levis NFL debut,

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Speaker 1: four touchdowns for a team that was just desperate for

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Speaker 1: some life at quarterbacks. So my Morgan and Morgan player

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Speaker 1: that made it look easy, Will Levis. If you're ever injured,

665
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Speaker 1: you can check out Morgan and Morgan their feats free

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Speaker 1: unless they win. For more information, go to for the

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Speaker 1: People dot com slash John. That's John Ordal pound law

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Speaker 1: the people dot com slash John. Okay, let's dive in

670
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Speaker 1: jets giants, and I want to put inspec of my

671
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: relationship with Weather Games for the first eighteen years of

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Speaker 1: my life. Born and raised Davis, California, right by Sacramento.

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Speaker 1: Then for five years. I went to cal Paly, which

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Speaker 1: is in the middle of California by the water, and

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Speaker 1: then for a couple of years I lived in Fresno,

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Speaker 1: so until I was like twenty four to twenty five

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Speaker 1: years old and moved to Philadelphia. I did an internship

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00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: with the Kansa Chiefs my senior year in college, but

679
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: was there for like three months. Now. By the end

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00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: of that it was freezing cold, and you know, the

681
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: field would freeze and you were freezing your ass off.

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Speaker 1: But truly living a winner in a non California place

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Speaker 1: in the northeast wasn't until twenty ten. And I'll never forget.

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Speaker 1: When I worked in the office, you just wore normal

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00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: clothes or whatever, but on game day you wore suit

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00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: to the game. So all the home games, I didn't travel,

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Speaker 1: I just went to the home games and you wore suit.

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Speaker 1: And I owned one suit. It was a suit that

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Speaker 1: my father had bought me, I think for like my

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00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: graduation present in college. It was nice, like Italian suit,

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00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: which was probably too baggy at the time, but hell,

692
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: I still own it. And I remember going to a

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Speaker 1: game early on in the season. You know it's hot,

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00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: human you're sweating and then the weather terms. And you know,

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00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: for most of us on the West Coast, depending on

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Speaker 1: where you live, winter like, we don't live in the snow.

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Speaker 1: I grew up two hours away from Lake Tahoe. When

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Speaker 1: I wanted to go to the snow or the freezing cold,

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00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: we got in our car and we drove two hours

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Speaker 1: to Tahoe and then when we were over it, we

701
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Speaker 1: came home. But when I lived in Philadelphia, you just

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Speaker 1: kind of live in it. And obviously when you work

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00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: in football, you play in it. And it's a huge

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Speaker 1: part of football, from Pittsburgh to Philly to d C.

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00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: Obviously New York teams to Boston, and then you know

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00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: the Midwest teams from Chicago and Kansas City. Like playing

707
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: in the cold. This isn't just it comes in December, right,

708
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: You see these games in the middle of late October.

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00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: There's still two and a half months left of the

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Speaker 1: regular season. And then if you want to play in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, you have to be able to play in

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00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: inclement weather. But I'll never forget showing up to the

713
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Speaker 1: game and it'd be in probably thirty degrees. Might have

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Speaker 1: been a Sunday or Monday night game and by ten

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Speaker 1: minutes of standing on the field pregame, I couldn't feel

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Speaker 1: my body. And everyone in the Northeast, you guys wear

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Speaker 1: those long trench coats that are thick that keep you warm.

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Speaker 1: Not only did I not own one, it never even

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Speaker 1: crossed my mind to purchase one. And then by the

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00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: next couple of days, I had to call my parents

721
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Speaker 1: and like, I didn't realize you gotta wear something over

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Speaker 1: your suit or you freeze your ass off. And when

723
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Speaker 1: I was scouting the West Coast, I remember in a

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Speaker 1: draft meeting, Matt Barkley came up and I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't see it. I don't think he has the

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Speaker 1: physical characteristics to play in Philadelphia, and that would go

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00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: for any of the other teams that are in inclement spots.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, la, guy played at sc Born and race, Like,

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00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't feel that vibe in average arm, like not

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Speaker 1: a great athlete. I'm not. I'm not into it. I

731
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Speaker 1: don't see it now. Obviously Chip disagreed, he drafted him,

732
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: and I was gone a couple of days later. But

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Speaker 1: I've always believed that, you know, and Tom Brady is

734
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Speaker 1: a good example of Yeah, he's a California guy, and

735
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Speaker 1: then he went and spend five years in Michigan. Right,

736
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Speaker 1: so by the time he got to Boston, he was

737
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: somewhat acclimated to the weather. Right Kaepridick, same thing from

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Speaker 1: Stockton or whatever, Turlock, California, but then spent five years

739
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Speaker 1: in the that arena where it's really really cold. I

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Speaker 1: can attest when I was at Presdent State, we played

741
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: a game up there, I think in early November when

742
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: Cap was on the team, and he destroyed us, and

743
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 1: by bout the second quarter, I'm like, I can't feel

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00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: my body and I got several layers on. So playing

745
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: in the cold at court, like other positions, offensive lineman,

746
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: defensive linemen, like that usually translates. But at quarterback it

747
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: always makes me nervous. And when the Jets, when you

748
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Speaker 1: draft the number two, you better feel very, very comfortable

749
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Speaker 1: if you're one of those teams. This guy can play

750
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Speaker 1: in tough weather, right in Zach Wilson in Theory Provo, Utah,

751
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: it gets cold, and you would think, but you watched

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00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: this guy in inclement weather, and I said, listen, I

753
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: gotta take this back. I said a couple weeks ago

754
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: on Sunday, show that we do with Colin like he

755
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: was becoming a functional player. Willy Cologne went on this

756
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: fantastic rant. I love it when former players just can

757
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: talk like us. Normal media people or normal people that

758
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: talk about football just can talk and verbalize their thoughts

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00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: like a fan and just like this is embarrassing. So

760
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: many players are afraid to say stuff. That's why I

761
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: never had a problem like Rodney Harrison, some of these

762
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: guys that pissed people off. Yes, why do you think

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Speaker 1: most people that piss people off, they're sitting in my

764
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: seat that have podcasts or host shows, like you gotta

765
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Speaker 1: be willing to, like say some uncomfortable things. And Willy

766
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: Clone was a shitting on Zach Wilson and kind of rightfully,

767
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: so he's not a functional player right now. It is

768
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: crazy that they can barely win these games when their

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Speaker 1: team is really good. I understand why the Giants can't win.

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Speaker 1: They're not that good. They're on their third string quarterback.

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Speaker 1: This guy was drafted number two overall and I'm watching

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00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: that game a lot like the Steeler Jags game. Inclement

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Speaker 1: weather not an easy place to play, right But when

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00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: I looking back, Joe Douglass when you took him, you

775
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: had to be very very comfortable this shit was gonna translate, right.

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Speaker 1: And he doesn't play well in the sun, let alone

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Speaker 1: bad weather. This guy can't complete sixty percent of his

778
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Speaker 1: passes right now in the modern day NFL. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he is a terrible player, he really is. That they

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Speaker 1: won despite him that the third downs in that game

781
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: were just an embarrassment in you know, totality for both teams.

782
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: It was closer to zero third downs converted than ten

783
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Speaker 1: and there were thirty four opportunities. But the Jets have

784
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: a major, major problem on their hands because a lot

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Speaker 1: like the Browns, they have a playoff team. Just remove

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Speaker 1: the quarterback and just look at the totality of the roster.

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Speaker 1: You go, that's a ten to twelve win team depending

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Speaker 1: on the quarterback. If you can just put let's just

789
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Speaker 1: take the guy who represents just pure as average over

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Speaker 1: the last four or five years. To me, that'd be

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00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: a Jimmy Garoppolo. He's not good, but he's not bad.

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00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: He's just somewhere between fourteen and eighteen in the NFL.

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00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: He can have series where he's like a top ten quarterback,

794
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: and he can have series where he's a bottom five quarterback,

795
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: but if your team's good around him, you can compete

796
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs every year. And that to me

797
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 1: is like what the Jets and the Browns would die

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00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: for now. In fairness to the Browns. In fairness of

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00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: the Browns, their starting quarterback has this injury situation that

800
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: no one can get their you know kind of head around.

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00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: Everyone's saying, he's actually heard it's just bizarre, But the

802
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: reality is they're rolling out PJ. Walker, and it was

803
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: crazy that they had won the previous two weeks with

804
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: that guy basically as their starting quarterback the Jets once

805
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: he tears his achilles and I said it from the jump,

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Speaker 1: you go into a season with this guy as your

807
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Speaker 1: backup quarterback. This is not other positions where you can

808
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 1: be like, you know, we don't love our backup guard,

809
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: but like you can play with it. Like most teams

810
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: have question marks. The other position, your backup coursequarterback, when

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Speaker 1: you are a playoff level team is one snap away

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00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: from starting every single game. And we saw that with

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Speaker 1: the Jets in Week one. It was four or five

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00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: plays into the season. He's your starter then from then

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Speaker 1: on out, and hell, in the middle of the season,

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00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: he's one snap away from starting couple weeks. It's the

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00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: only position where the moment an injury happens, that guy's

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Speaker 1: getting unlimited snap. There's no rotation, there's nothing else you

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Speaker 1: can do. It's like a kicker and a punter. If

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Speaker 1: he's your starting quarterback, if he's your starting kicker, if

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Speaker 1: he's your starting punter, that's that's the case. And the

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Speaker 1: moment Rogers went down just like the moment Kenny Pickett

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Speaker 1: went down, I'm looking up and seeing I googled it

824
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Speaker 1: this morning. I was like, didn't they sign him to

825
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Speaker 1: an extension? They signed this offseason mitched rumiskey to an extension.

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Speaker 1: If he's gonna be your backup quarterback, and you hold

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Speaker 1: yourself to a playoff standard, you have to realize that

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Speaker 1: any moment, a broken rib, a broken leg, a torn

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Speaker 1: acl a broken hand like Kenny Pickett can miss time.

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Speaker 1: And Kenny Pickett is more than debatable right how good

831
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Speaker 1: he is or not right. I think we all know

832
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: when he's good, they can compete. But he has a

833
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: lot of bad games too, And also, like Zach Wilson

834
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Speaker 1: in Inclement Weather, don't love it, which is not ideal

835
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Speaker 1: though the Steelers would say, well, we got to watch him.

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Speaker 1: He played it pit for five years in our backyard,

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Speaker 1: literally in our stadium. The moment you can't play well

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00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: in inclement weather and you were starting on one of

839
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: these teams, you're just fucked. You really are. The Steelers

840
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: forever had Roethlisberger, the Giants forever had Eli Manning. Obviously

841
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: the Patriots, these guys could play in those weather conditions.

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00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: One of the best weather games I think I've ever seen.

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00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: And listen, the box score will not reflect it, but

844
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Speaker 1: if you were watching it live. The Giants verse the

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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers hardboss, first year NFC Championship game, driving

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Speaker 1: rainstorm at Candlestick, they are peppering Eli Manning play in

847
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: play out. He just kept getting up, He just kept

848
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: getting up. He kept he was able to throw the ball,

849
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: unlike Alex Smith, who couldn't complete third down passes. And

850
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: if you can't play in weather conditions, listen, I don't

851
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: know how the Jets are going to get to the

852
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: finish line. Clearly they're somehow four and three, and that

853
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: is a huge, huge The rest of the team should

854
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: get a standing ovation on a daily basis. The moment

855
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: they walk into the team meeting from Zach Wilson and

856
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett, because with this offensive output, it's just not

857
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: sustainable to win the You need such weird shit to

858
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: happen on a weekly bit. You need your defense to

859
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: play so awesome, You need your special teams to block

860
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 1: a field goal or help them to miss field goals.

861
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: And this quarterback situation is just a reflection of everyone

862
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: misses on picks. Every single team does. Whether you're drafting

863
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: it too or whether you're drafting a one hundred and fifty.

864
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: You're not gonna hit on every draft pick. But when

865
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: you hold on to a draft pick, when you know

866
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: you've missed, it's when you find yourself in trouble. And

867
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: right now the Jets are holding on for dear life

868
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: because they had moved on after last season, but then

869
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: once they got Aaron Rodgers, they kind of pivoted. They

870
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: thought he could be I don't know, I wouldn't even

871
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: say resurrected, but could learn from him. Well the moment.

872
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: Rogers here's his achilles and is in Los Angeles rehabbing.

873
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: I know he comes back every once in a while.

874
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: He's been to a couple of games that's not the same.

875
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: You are dependent when the ball snapped on that guy

876
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: making place, and that what we just witnessed because I

877
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: don't even count the Giants' offense, right Saquon bark who's

878
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: basically getting the ball every single play. What the Jets

879
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: were doing on offense. I mean, there were some plays,

880
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: and I've seen this now a couple weeks in a

881
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: row where it'll be Garrett Wilson or someone on the

882
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: outside and they'll be running like a go route and

883
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, for whatever reason, will think it was like

884
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: some hot route or maybe he thought he had given

885
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: an alert, and he'll throw like this back shoulder fade,

886
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: or he'll throw like a quick out and the guy

887
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: will just be running thirty yards up the field and

888
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: the ball will skip into the sideline. So it's one

889
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: thing if your physical attributes is your accuracy are more

890
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 1: than questionable. It doesn't feel like he always knows the offense,

891
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: which is pretty scary, and you just, I don't know,

892
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: there's no fix, just like with the Browns that there's

893
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: no fix. So you just gotta hold on. Hopefully your

894
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: team makes plays somehow. If you just make the playoffs

895
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: with this level quarterback play, it should be worth in

896
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: your fans mind, a playoff victory alone, because that is

897
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: an incredible accomplishment. I mentioned this to Colin the other

898
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,959
Speaker 1: day and it really crystallized watching especially the second half

899
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: the Saints started making plays. But I've thought this all

900
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: season long. The Saints have absolutely no excuse to not

901
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: win the division. And not only win the division, they

902
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: should win the division by several games. They are clearly

903
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: the best team top to bottom. They have a quarterback

904
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: that they paid a lot of money to and to me,

905
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this today if somehow the Saints

906
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: do not win the division, if you don't win the division,

907
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: you're not going to make the playoffs. I think that

908
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: is an immediate fireable offense for the head coach, Dennis Allen,

909
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 1: who I played golf on Saturday with a guy from Louisiana,

910
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: and so obviously football comes up and we just start

911
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: talking about the Saints and he's like, I think we're

912
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: pretty good. I mean, I think our defense is playing

913
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: pretty well. I think, clearly you look at these offensive

914
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: weapons pretty good. He's like, our coach is an idiot.

915
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: And I think anytime that you make a transition from

916
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: a successful coach to his right hand man. It's very,

917
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 1: very risky, and Dennis Allen, to me is your classic

918
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: example of someone who is very very good when they

919
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: are in a position where they can just focus on

920
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: their expertise. Right when he's a defensive coordinator, all he

921
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: has to focus is on is half the team, get

922
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: the defense ready to roll. And they were successful those

923
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: last couple of years of the Sean Payton era on defense.

924
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: The moment you move that guy to head coach, isn't there.

925
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: I forget it was a study. Or it's like the

926
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: old saying of you're better off if you take ten

927
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: things in life trying to be like middle of the

928
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: road in all of them. You're better off being awesome

929
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: at one or two things and basically being a failure

930
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: at everything else. Honestly, that's kind of the tactic I

931
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: take with my life, right, I do a couple things, well,

932
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,959
Speaker 1: I don't waste any time on anything else because one,

933
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: I will screw it up. Two if I try to

934
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: do like let's just use house projects for example, I'll

935
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: end up ruining it and it'll cost me more money

936
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: in the long run. My time is the most valuable

937
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: thing I have. I'm good at like three things, and

938
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: I just focus on that. There are only so many

939
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: people we've seen over and over in any walk of

940
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: life that can handle everything. And it definitely comes into

941
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: play when you're a head coach because when you're a

942
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: head coach, well, you were previously a defensive or offensive coordinator,

943
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: so you're gonna spend probably an I would say, extra

944
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: amount of time on that side of the ball. But

945
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: you also, because you're the headman, deal with the side

946
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: of the ball that you're not an expert in. Then

947
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: you manage and deal with personalities, your staff, things going wrong, injury,

948
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: the general manager. You deal with everything, and it's a

949
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: small percentage of people that can do it. I think

950
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: you see it with Todd Bowles. You see it with

951
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: Dennis Allen. The moment they go from being a defensive

952
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: coordinator where they're both excellent at to being the head coach,

953
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: everything slips. You saw it for a couple of years

954
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: with Denver. Now, I understand that Denver didn't have a quarterback,

955
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: but even if you gave Fangio a quarterback, I think

956
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: he's proven. Put him in defense, let him dominate that

957
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: side of the ball, get him the players, and he

958
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: will kick ass and take names, even Miami for his

959
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: questionable as their defense looked early, a lot of it

960
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: was personnel driven. They're gonna be fine because they got

961
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: Vic Fangio. If you made Vic Fangio the head coach,

962
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: if Mike McDaniel just disappeared tomorrow, you would have a

963
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: major problem on your hands. And he's not alone. And

964
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: I say this the best part about being a coordinator

965
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: in the NFL. This isn't baseball where they pay their

966
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: assistance like one hundred and twenty grand. This isn't basketball,

967
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: where you know a handful of assistants make big money

968
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: and most of the guys middle of the road. If

969
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: you are a coordinator in the NFL, thirty two coordinators

970
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: on offense and thirty two coordinators on defense make seven figures.

971
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: And the highly paid defensive coordinators in the NFL are

972
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: making three and four million dollars. Dan Quinn, dan Quinn

973
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: ain't making two million dollars. I'll promise you that he's

974
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: probably making closer to five. Same thing with Vic Fangio.

975
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking big money now. I understand the Dennis Allens

976
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: of the world. They get their opportunity to be a

977
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 1: head coach. You know, there's a big difference of making

978
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: two million and making eight or nine. I get it.

979
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: I understand why they do it. The problem is when

980
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: you are the organization, when you're Mickey Loomis and the owner,

981
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: and you do do that, you put yourself at a

982
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: huge disadvantage. And listen, I'm not confident because ultimately Dennis

983
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: Allen is more than questionable. And let's face it, if

984
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: the Saints don't make the playoffs this year and Derek

985
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: Carr has more games like he did a couple weeks

986
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: ago on Thursday Night, and the way he was playing

987
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: early in the season, not the way he played down

988
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: the stretch against the Coles, who, let's face it, or

989
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: not a very good team. That is going to be

990
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: a reflection that everyone that beat the drum for ye

991
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: calling him overrated, overpaid, not very good. I always defended him.

992
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: I was like, he's better than everyone realizes. He's closer

993
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: to the Cousins. Dak kind of realm, Well, if you

994
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: miss the playoffs and you have shitty games in big spots,

995
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: like I'm sorry, those haters were right, and I think

996
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: there's a ton on the line, and to me, you

997
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: don't make the playoffs, Dennis Allend's done and Derek's legacy.

998
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: I don't even think Derek has a legacy, but in

999
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: terms of the narrative on his career would probably end

1000
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 1: up skewing negative. So I think the Saints just they're

1001
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: a team that really really intrigues me because I honestly

1002
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: I don't see how they don't win the division. But

1003
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: it keeps going back to Dennis Allen. And then like

1004
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: I said, with the Steelers in Jags game, the Steelers

1005
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: are quarterback away. I mean, it's really that simple. And

1006
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: even Kenny Pickett, I know he got injured in the game.

1007
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: To me, I always listen, this is football. So when

1008
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: a game happens, we react to it. And it's easy

1009
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: when a guy plays well to get excited, just like

1010
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: it's easy when a guy plays shitty to be down

1011
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: on him. There is a small percentage of players like

1012
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, like some guys have

1013
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: bad games. Whatever, Trent Williams gives up a sack, no

1014
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: one's losing any sleep. Michael Parsons has a game where

1015
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: you don't notice him. It's football. It's welcome to the lot.

1016
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: He gets the benefit of the doubt. Kenny Pickett does not,

1017
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: and I got excited to watch him against the Rams. Well,

1018
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: it turns out the Rams suck. The Rams are not

1019
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: any good. So when you got to play outdoors against

1020
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: another playoff team, he looked terrible. And then obviously Mitch

1021
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: comes in and it's even worse and the Steelers have

1022
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: no chance. I don't care about the penalties. I don't

1023
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: care how many plays TJ. Watt plays. When your quarterback

1024
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: play is that shitty against another guy who's a Pro

1025
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: Bowl level quarterback and a team that looks like they're

1026
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: headed toward twelve wins, you're gonna lose. And I give

1027
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: the Jacks a lot of credit outdoor game wet on

1028
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: the road, they were the grittier team, Just that simple.

1029
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: They were the grittier team. And Etn. That's another thing.

1030
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: If you could have a do over on Najie Harris

1031
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: and Etn. To me, it's a no brainer. Etn is

1032
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: really the modern day running back, a guy that can

1033
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: do both, a guy whose speed can play in space

1034
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: at it, you can put him everywhere in the backfield,

1035
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: he can flex out wide and play some wide receiver,

1036
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: not wide receiver like urban Meyer wanted him to train

1037
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: at wide receiver, but just a guy that can be very,

1038
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: very productive in the passing game. And you watch the Jags.

1039
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: Their defense is nowhere nearest talented as the Pittsburgh Steelers,

1040
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: but their offense, because they have a franchise quarterback, is

1041
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: able to function even in shitty, wet, ugly conditions. And

1042
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: I go back and forth on the Steelers because you

1043
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: watch them against the Rams, like God, maybe they know

1044
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: they were in perfect conditions and the quarterback hit a

1045
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: couple bombs the pickens. You put them in a tough

1046
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: spot where there's some pressure, it's not easy to grip

1047
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: the ball, small hands, you get what you get against

1048
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: the Jacks. A couple other things. It is, you know,

1049
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: I don't know the reasoning behind this. I don't know

1050
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: how we're here, but simply put, there have been a

1051
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: lot of quarterback injuries this year. Now when other positions

1052
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,479
Speaker 1: get injured, I typically take the stance of it's because

1053
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: training camp it's not very physical. You don't do any hitting.

1054
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: No one's touched a quarterback in training camp since like

1055
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: the eighties, So I don't know if there's some randomness

1056
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: on this. I don't know if it's the lack of

1057
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: practice just even at full speed anymore. For quarterbacks, I

1058
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: think a huge reason is offensive linemen now have never

1059
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: been shittier. And I say that with all respect to

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00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: the position how hard it is to play the position.

1061
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: But clearly the amount of offensive linemen coming into the

1062
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: NFL and the amount of high end defensive linemen coming

1063
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: in the NFL is disproportionate. Right there are way more.

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00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: I don't know the exact number, but it feels like

1065
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: a three to one ratio. I mean it feels like

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00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: the amount of impact inside and external like outside pass rushers,

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00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: relative to just this guy's a legit starting offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: As someone told me the other day, like you look

1069
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: at Scronsky and some of these guys that have been

1070
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: drafted really high at offensive lineman, They're like, yeah, it's

1071
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: like that guy's probably more of a second rounder, but

1072
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 1: a lot like quarterback. The amount of the limited amount

1073
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: of guys in a given draft, you overdraft offensive lineman.

1074
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: We're defensive lineman every single year. It's like, yeah, this

1075
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: guy's a no brainer. Number multiple guys in the top ten,

1076
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: another guy in the teams a couple more in the twenties,

1077
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys in the second round, because there's

1078
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: a lot of talent coming in on that side of

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00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: the ball. And clearly from a financial standpoint, you also

1080
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: get paid to pay defensive line a lot of money.

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00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: So it behooves people at that position to try to

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00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 1: play in college if you can, and you get drafted high,

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00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: and then your second contracts are huge. So I think

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00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: a huge reason a lot of people you know to

1085
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: talk about football coaches, I think it's because of the

1086
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: spread offense in college has had a huge impact. You know,

1087
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: back when, hell just fifteen twenty years ago, the majority

1088
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: of teams ran pro style offenses. The Mike Leeches were

1089
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: really more outliers. Now I'm not saying that specific air

1090
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: raid offense, but so many teams now have air raid

1091
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: principles and spread it out that that's really more in

1092
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: vogue than you watch a team, like how many colleges

1093
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: are playing with a fullback. When I worked at Fresle

1094
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 1: State in eight oh nine, a ton of teams had fullbacks.

1095
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: A ton of teams their base offense was a pro set,

1096
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: which was five offensive linemen, a tight end, two running backs,

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00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: one being a fullback, and two wide receivers. I think

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00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: that is very very few teams in college football do that.

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00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 1: So that has a direct reflection on how you practice,

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00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: on how you develop offensive linemen. And I mean look

1101
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: at Dion, he's bitching and moaning after the game. How

1102
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: much is offensive lineman suck? Like well, Deon welcome to football,

1103
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: like Larry Allen, ain't walking through that door. Don't care

1104
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: how much money you have, It's not going to be

1105
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: easy to find good offensive linemen. It's just not so

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00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 1: you're going to be at a disadvantage. Look at usc

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00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: USC in Pete Carroll's heyday. When I think of USC,

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00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: I think of the line of scrimmage offensive and defensive lines.

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00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: Now you watch USC, Caleb's running for his life. I mean,

1110
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: for as bad as they are on defense, it's just

1111
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: as shitty upfront on offense. So I don't know, man,

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00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: I think I think a huge reason some of these

1113
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are getting peppered. I just think they're gona get

1114
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: hit more because these offensive lineman can't block a couple

1115
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: quick things. On college Harbaugh, that story is it's just

1116
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: not gonna go away. He's obviously at the point now

1117
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: where I can only talk about the upcoming game. I'm

1118
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: not gonna focus on a contract. He denied that they

1119
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: had a huge contract extension on the table for him

1120
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: once this cheating scandal, which I'm already kind of over.

1121
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: Who gives a shit, but clearly people do, and they've

1122
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: sended the offer. According to Wall Street Journal, he denied it.

1123
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: Then I saw there were some reports that that's not

1124
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: necessarily true. He's been told don't sign it yet. All

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00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: I know is they were headed on a fast track,

1126
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: which felt like the best opportunity he's had to win

1127
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: a national championship, And now things are weird. Now. He

1128
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: could still win the national championship. If you watch college football,

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00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: I don't think there are the dominant what Georgia was

1130
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, what Alabama's teams have been

1131
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: some of those urban mayor Ohio state teams talent wise.

1132
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: So he could still win the national championship. But do

1133
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: you know what sucks that if he does win it?

1134
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: And I always think this is so stupid, like it

1135
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: happens a lot in basketball because everyone's been cheating their

1136
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: ass off for fifty years in that sport, and rightfully.

1137
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: So one or two players can change the course of

1138
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: a season. We're in college football. One player, unless it's

1139
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: a quarterback, probably isn't having as dramatic of an impact

1140
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: as you think. Hell, Travis Hunter was one of the

1141
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: biggest recruits in the country. You watch him against Stanford,

1142
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: who's getting smoked. He's getting beat by like a drum.

1143
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: So if Harbaugh wins it, the shitty part is maybe

1144
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: they vacated it in a couple of years. And it

1145
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: always happens like Memphis or Kansas or whoever has to

1146
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: take off their final four banners. Those don't count. No,

1147
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: they did. We watched it. That happened. No one cares

1148
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: that he was getting fifty k on the side and

1149
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: driving a Beamer. No one gives a shit except some

1150
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: over educated dude at the NCAA headquarters. No one else cares.

1151
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: Everyone's doing it, So I think that's inevitable in this case,

1152
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: unless I'm missing something. It is funny hearing some of

1153
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: these stories about how they were funneling information to other teams,

1154
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: South Carolina being one, and it's just I mean, I'm

1155
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: entertained by it. But what's gonna suck is the ultimate

1156
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: ramifications of the investigation in how it feels like this

1157
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: season is just gonna be. They'll pretend that none of

1158
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: it counts. They might win the National Championship and they'll

1159
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: have to vacate it. Like no. We watched them. They

1160
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: beat everybody they played in Colorado. So I guess their

1161
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: players got robbed at the Rose Bowl. When you go

1162
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: to the Rose Bowl, their their visitor locker room. When

1163
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: I was at Fresno, we played them and beat them.

1164
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: Ryan Matthews had an incredible game. Rick Neuheisel was their coach.

1165
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: Place was sweet. They had just redone. The visitor's locker room.

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01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just pristine. It's probably nicer the visiting

1167
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: locker room at the Rose Bowl than eighty percent of

1168
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: NFL teams visiting locker room. And I guess, you know

1169
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of people stole stuff out of their cubbies

1170
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: or whatever. Not totally shocked. I mean, it's California. There

1171
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: aren't many laws being followed there. Uh so, yeah, And

1172
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: I guess this happened before to them at Jackson State. Dion,

1173
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: at least, I'm not. I don't think Dion got robbed.

1174
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: I think some of his players did, but that team

1175
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: is kind of in a free fall. That's the other thing.

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01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: I watched some of that game. They're just they're just

1177
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: not that good. And if you look at their schedule,

1178
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, for as fun it's Colorado was early in

1179
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: the season, and rightfully so, they were. I was very

1180
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: entertained by the Dion experience. They're getting worked now, they're

1181
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: they're getting worked. And one name to keep an eye

1182
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: on is Anthony Lynn's son. I think you say his name,

1183
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: Deanton Lynn, who played football at Penn State, has worked

1184
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL for several years, the last couple of

1185
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: years with the Ravens. UCLA's defense is no joke. So

1186
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: really that's not even a bad loss for Colorado. Ucla

1187
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: is better than them, but that's a team. I mean,

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01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: I think UCLA will beat USC now. The one thing

1189
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: is UCLA's got offensive issues because they have this five

1190
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: star quarterback that they paid all this money to who

1191
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: if you don't play him, he'll transfer. The problem is

1192
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: he kind of sucks right now. He throws like a

1193
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: pick six every game. But defensively, that team is you know,

1194
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: Utah Oregon. I mean, it's one of the better defenses.

1195
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: Definitely in the conference, but in the entire country. So

1196
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: UCLA kicking ass taking names. It's weird. You know. Chips

1197
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: known for offense and right now he's got a defensive

1198
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Speaker 1: team for a limited time. You can say forty on

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Speaker 1: NFL Network, and more so, you can watch multiple games

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Speaker 1: nine for the full season. Get it before it's gone. Okay,

1214
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: let's dive into the mailbag at John Middlecoff is the

1215
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: Instagram fire in those dms at John Middlecoff DMS wide open.

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01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: We will start here with Trey question for the bag,

1217
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on Thursday night football Prime vision experience?

1218
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: This excludes the broadcasters. It has the Skyview, next gen

1219
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: stats and player labels are great for gambling and fantasy,

1220
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: but some of the features are a bit much for

1221
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: my taste. Do you see other networks adopting similar broadcast

1222
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 1: options as the league moves towards streaming. I think these

1223
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: streaming companies will always try things that maybe you know,

1224
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: the broadcast cable networks or even Fox or CBS will

1225
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: be hesitant to try. And in fairness, if your CBS

1226
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: or Fox like what you've been doing, regardless how much

1227
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: we can plain works right. I mean the primetime prime

1228
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: time is the wrong word for Fox and CBS, but

1229
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: there they're big games and the afternoon windows for us

1230
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: on the West coast one twenty five Nance Romo or

1231
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: now Burkhart and Olson. I mean you're talking to twenty

1232
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: plus million people watching. There's not a television show outside

1233
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: of politics that sniffs that in twenty twenty three, So

1234
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: sometimes it's hard to be quote unquote progressive with the

1235
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: way you approach stuff in a business like this when

1236
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: things are printing cash. So I understand why Amazon nothing

1237
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: to lose unlimited money trying stuff. It's not I tried

1238
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: it last year. I remember early on just flipping through

1239
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: their different options. It was a little much for me.

1240
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: Cool for a second, but I'm not really that into it,

1241
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: and I'm someone that complains sometimes about broadcasters. Though I

1242
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: will still watch, and I've done this before, I'll just

1243
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: turn it down, especially for those of you I'm sure

1244
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: that listening that have kids or a wife. You know,

1245
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: sometimes you just end up turning the game down, keeping

1246
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: it on television so you can watch it and just

1247
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: have music or other stuff going on. I tend to

1248
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: do that more than try to watch the alternative broadcast.

1249
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: I like watching the game, you know, and like I know,

1250
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: McAfee does that thing on Saturday now during college football games.

1251
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: Obviously last year Peyton and Eli, which Peyton and Eli

1252
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: are enjoyable, but so far in twenty twenty three, and

1253
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,919
Speaker 1: I love Peyton Manning and Eli Manning. I could. I'd

1254
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: watch games with them all day long. Though, if the

1255
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: Monday night game matters and they're doing it like I

1256
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: just want to watch the game. The other problem is

1257
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: they bring on guests like it's a podcast, which I understand,

1258
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: but sometimes that guess Wi Fi doesn't work or the

1259
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: audio's off. I'd rather just especially now, let's face it,

1260
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: one huge element to watching Monday night football these last

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01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: two years. Say what you want, even if you're not

1262
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: some diehard Joe Buck guy. It is dramatically better than

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01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: what it was. It was. It fell off after Gruden

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01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: and it's just back rolling again. It feels big and

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01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: if you feel big, even if I don't love you

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01:05:54,120 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: as a broadcast team, like I'll watch you, okay. I

1267
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: love the regular content. I wanted to get your opinion

1268
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: on the mainstream sports talk shows on ESPN and FS one.

1269
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: I used to watch them every now and then, but

1270
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: now they're unbearable. Most of the analysts are just loud, obnoxious, bias,

1271
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: hot take artists just after views, your boy Colin being

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01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: an exception. I would say the difference of Colin and

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01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: the shows is Colin is a it's a TV show now,

1274
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: but it's still at its core a radio show podcast

1275
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: Like he's a I put him in a completely different

1276
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: category than just first take. I feel like they'll die

1277
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: out soon, and people will stream specific content, like from

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01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: creators they like. Even if I disagree with an opinion

1279
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: of yours, I know it's fair and unbiased, like this

1280
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: guy Al can't say the same. For people that watch

1281
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: these shows, well, I would say this, The key to

1282
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: these shows is that there's a social media element to

1283
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: growth that you gotta say wild shit, which I've never

1284
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: really I never think about that when I do a show.

1285
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: I just try to do an entertaining show, try to

1286
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: be relatable and just talk. Sometimes I'd probably say things

1287
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: that people think are batshit crazy, but I kind of

1288
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: believe it, which I'm sure a lot of people that

1289
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: host shows are also like that. Those shows do nothing

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01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: for me. I don't watch. I have a lot of

1291
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: admiration for how hard it is to get up every

1292
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: morning if you're you know, Skip Bayles's get into the

1293
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: office at four o'clock in the morning. I remember when

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01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: Colin hired Shannon or partnered with Shannon and club Shayshay

1295
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: and stuff. I listened to a podcast he did with him,

1296
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: and you know, he was like, you know, you know

1297
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: the discipline it takes, and clearly, Shannon, I mean he's

1298
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: jacked is a very disciplined individual. But coming to work

1299
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: every morning at four point thirty five in the morning,

1300
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: like doing a morning radio show or a morning television

1301
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: show is no joke, but like it's I just don't

1302
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: care enough to talk about all the topics that you

1303
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: have to talk about on television, Like I have no

1304
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: desire to do that, and I don't consume it, like

1305
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm not their consumer. I never have, I never have been,

1306
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: and obviously never will be. But listen, it's not easy

1307
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: as someone that did a radio show every day. Like

1308
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: the thing with podcasts, I can talk about whatever I

1309
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: want now because of the volume I'm putting out and

1310
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: we've you know, grown over the years. When you do

1311
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: a television show or specifically definitely I can speak from

1312
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: the radio, the individual ratings on a daily basis are

1313
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: just so important that you do have to like cognitively

1314
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: think about. You just can't always talk about what you

1315
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: want to talk about where on this medium. You're coming

1316
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: for me, like ultimately ESPN or Fox Sports, Like if

1317
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: they change a lineup, people that watch that show still

1318
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: watch the show. Right when you watch Colin, You're coming

1319
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 1: for Colin when you come to a podcast like when

1320
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: you seek out Joe Rogan or pardon my take or whoever,

1321
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: you are coming for that individual, the network can't just

1322
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: change that individual for someone else, and that podcast feeds

1323
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: still do well. That's why I feel pretty good about

1324
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 1: the future of the business. I'm in. You're coming for me, right,

1325
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: you can just take my feed and just call it

1326
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: now the the Bill Williamson Show, he'd be like, well,

1327
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: who's this guy? Right? I was coming from middlecough And

1328
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,560
Speaker 1: that's the power I'd say of audio. Television could be

1329
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: a little different that way. Now. Stephen A is somewhat

1330
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: of an exception. People come for him, and I think

1331
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: he's broken through. It's why he makes a lot of money, right,

1332
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: because he's essentially while he's a TV host, he has

1333
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: the power of what Dan Patrick or Colin like, you're

1334
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: coming for them? Who's the franchise quarterback? Question? Fluke season

1335
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: is over, mister seventh round? Nice excuse for the Rams

1336
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: time zone? Reason one hit wonder Purty, that's the DM

1337
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,560
Speaker 1: And then he sent me a picture of Dak Prescott

1338
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: and Bruck Purry. Yeah, I don't know what you know.

1339
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: The crazy thing is I heard Mike Sando say Perty

1340
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: had nine. He had nine passes over twenty yards, which

1341
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: I think led the league this weekend. On explosive passes

1342
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: down the field. Before he started throwing picks which were atrocious,

1343
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 1: he was actually playing really well. He pushes the ball

1344
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: down the field. He is dramatically better than Jimmy Garoppolo.

1345
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: Now we'll see, like if he starts turning the ball over,

1346
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 1: we got problems. But like the guy can push the

1347
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: ball down the field. Defense like, hey, Steve Wilks, you're

1348
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: about to get fired. Bro. Love the show, my favorite

1349
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: for football. I'll keep it simple. Thoughts on Will Levis

1350
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: seem to have a good debut. Are him and Hopkins

1351
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: a good combo? Henry looked good as well, with Levis

1352
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,879
Speaker 1: being able to pass the ball even all the trade rumors.

1353
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: We talked about him a little bit earlier. But all

1354
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: you gotta do is type in Will Levis's passes from

1355
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: Sunday and it'll just have all his passes. It's an

1356
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: eye opener. His arm strength I knew in college if

1357
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: you watched him in Kentucky, and I was keep an

1358
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 1: eye on him for a couple of years. Physically, he

1359
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: was really gifted his senior year was atrocious. Now, the

1360
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: team was bad, the offensive coordinator was bad, but that

1361
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: performance was really, really impressive. I would be really excited. Now.

1362
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: The thing with rookie quarterbacks, it can just be up

1363
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: and down week to week. Right, you play on short

1364
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: week this week, who knows what it's going to look like.

1365
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: But I don't blame anyone in Nashville for being super

1366
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: excited that guy makes his debut, throws four touchdown passes,

1367
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 1: and some of his incompletions were incredible. How do television

1368
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: ratings count red Zone? You don't technically watch the game,

1369
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: but you still watch the game via red Zone doesn't

1370
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: count as a viewer for a game, No, it doesn't,

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01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 1: it counts. I think Red Zone is independently rated, and

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01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what their ratings are, but you don't know.

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01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: If it's let's say, throughout the three hour game, you

1374
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: watch ten twenty minutes of New York Jets Giants game,

1375
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: that eyeball that you had watching on the red Zone

1376
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: does not go toward their rating on Fox. So I

1377
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: think it's just like anything. It's rated as a channel.

1378
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:24,440
Speaker 1: So just because it carries all those games, the percentage

1379
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: that humans are watching the red zone on that given game,

1380
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with the games rating. Random question?

1381
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: Would it be possible to timestamp your content? In the description?

1382
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: Some days when I'm on the go, I don't get

1383
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: the whole pot in and the next day want to

1384
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: get to the one you just put out. Thanks so

1385
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: much for the great content. Love the way you break

1386
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 1: down how things are actually different and they appear on

1387
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: the surface the headline. Well, I guess we could. But

1388
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 1: if you're listening to the podcast, let's say, and it's

1389
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: an hour long, get through thirty minutes, and the next

1390
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: day I put out a new podcast, unless you've listened

1391
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 1: to another podcast, wouldn't you still be on that spot

1392
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: if you had to do something else? Now, trust me,

1393
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: my ego is not big enough to think that you

1394
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't click on another podcast or whatever throughout the day,

1395
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: but couldn't Like sometimes I do that and I just

1396
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,560
Speaker 1: kind of go back to where I was listening, or

1397
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: I just move on to the next one. So if

1398
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,839
Speaker 1: I timestamp it, though, I don't know how that fixes

1399
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 1: your problem. I guess because if you get to whatever

1400
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: minute mark and you're done listening for the given day,

1401
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: you got to pick up your son, or you got

1402
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: to make dinner or whatever's happening, and then a day later,

1403
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, the new podcast is uploaded in the feed

1404
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 1: and you want to finish the other one. Can you

1405
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: just figure out where you were? I'm not even trying

1406
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: to make this more difficult than it is. That's how

1407
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm a consumer as well, like I'm no

1408
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: different than you. I listen to podcasts. That's how I

1409
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: go about it. But clearly timestamps, maybe I'm behind the

1410
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: curve on that one. I really enjoy your podcast. My

1411
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: question is about Kyler Murray. I know you and Michael

1412
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: Lombardi have spoken about the contract implications for the Cardinals

1413
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: as it pertains to coming back this season and getting

1414
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,719
Speaker 1: re injured. But do you think part of the urgency

1415
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 1: by the Cardinals to bring him back this season is

1416
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 1: wanting to make a long term decision about Murray with

1417
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: this upcoming quarterback class looking so promising and probably having

1418
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 1: a top five pick. Well, right before I recorded this

1419
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: part of the pod, I saw on Instagram that Jonathan

1420
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: Gannon had said that Joshua Dobbs will not start this week.

1421
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: It is between Kyler Murray and I forget the other

1422
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 1: guy's name. I think did they draft a guy? Yeah,

1423
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: they drafted a guy from some random school. But to

1424
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: start Kyler Murray, you'd obviously have to activate him from

1425
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: injury reserve, which is very easy for them to do. Uh, listen,

1426
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: I would. I would take the risk and play him,

1427
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: and if he looks good, it gives you two options. One,

1428
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: your team still sucks, You're not gonna win that many games.

1429
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: And two, if he does look good and you keep losing,

1430
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: it's not like he'd come back and be like Patrick

1431
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: Mahomes and all of a sudden you end up winning

1432
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: seven games. That's not gonna happen. Even if he wins

1433
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: you an extra game or two, you're still gonna be

1434
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: right there in the mix. And two, that gives you

1435
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: the option of trading him, because right now, for him

1436
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: to have trade value where it's lucrative enough for you

1437
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 1: to pull the trigger and getting rid of him, he's

1438
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 1: got to come back and look good. I still think

1439
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 1: he has trade value even if he doesn't play a

1440
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: snap this season. But if he comes back, looks good,

1441
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: runs around, makes him plays, throws some touchdowns, makes plays

1442
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: with his legs, there're gonna be teams that are gonna

1443
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: trade for him. They got many teams and quarterbacks, so

1444
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: I would probably risk it because I also look at listen.

1445
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: Some of these numbers feel outrageous to me and you,

1446
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: just like any human being, there are some people if

1447
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: you just say, hey, I'm having this guy put in

1448
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: some trees in my backyard this week ten thousand dollars.

1449
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: If you would have told me that five years ago,

1450
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm be like, well, you're just tending what on trees? Like, yeah,

1451
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 1: need some fighters trees to block my neighbors so they

1452
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 1: can't sing it right. And some people that would say

1453
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,879
Speaker 1: they just did something for five hundred grand, money's all relative,

1454
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: So fifty million dollars risk or I think it's a

1455
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 1: little less than that. Whatever the is is a lot

1456
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,759
Speaker 1: of money to ninety nine percent of businesses in the NFL.

1457
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: Every year, you're getting a check from the media rights

1458
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: deals for almost four hundred million dollars, so you gotta

1459
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: cut the fucking check. Even though Michael Bidwell doesn't have

1460
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 1: any money outside of you know, the team, relative to

1461
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: other owners, who cares, this is big boy business. That's

1462
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: why I always say about Dean Spanos, It's like you're

1463
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: not in the business in the nineteen ninety seven anymore.

1464
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: This is twenty twenty three. All this money is just

1465
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: it's nominal relative to the big picture. So if you're

1466
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: obsessed with paying seven eight million dollars to a coach

1467
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: and you're unwilling to spend fifteen million dollars a year,

1468
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 1: which is honestly only a seven or eight million dollar

1469
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: difference even over the aggregate of a contract could be

1470
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: twenty or thirty million dollars, you are so shortsighted and

1471
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: you deserve to fucking lose every single season. So to me,

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Speaker 1: if he is healthy, now I understand not playing Kyler Murray.

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01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: If he's legitimately not healthy, I know he's back in practice.

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Speaker 1: But if you're like, god, he just doesn't even look

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Speaker 1: remote close's that's football. That's welcome to you know, you

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01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,600
Speaker 1: don't put compromise players. But if he is to me

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Speaker 1: ninety plus percent run around out there, I think you plan,

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01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: you risk it, and because everything has risks for a reward, right,

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Speaker 1: That's that's the business world. Things can go wrong, but

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Speaker 1: things can also go right. If he does look good,

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Speaker 1: one maybe you're like I actually kind of like him

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Speaker 1: in this offense or two. Maybe you pretend that and

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01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: then you flip him. Maybe you get several draft picks. Hell,

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Speaker 1: maybe he looks good enough you get a first round

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Speaker 1: draft pick. So I think part of life, you've got

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Speaker 1: to be willing to risk it. Historically, risking fifty million

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Speaker 1: dollars is insane, but in twenty twenty three, with the

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Speaker 1: amount of money all these teams generate, it's it's more

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Speaker 1: than a line item, but it doesn't affect your franchise.

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Speaker 1: It's like that in business. When you first start a business,

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01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,600
Speaker 1: every expense is kind of jarring, and then maybe you

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01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: start making some money and those expenses just go up

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01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: and up and up. And if you get to be

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Speaker 1: an enormous company like Amazon or Apple, I can't even

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Speaker 1: imagine seeing some of their expenses, right, they'd be fucking enormous.

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01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,759
Speaker 1: Like a minor league baseball team stays at a shitty hotel.

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Speaker 1: The Golden State Warriors stay at the four Seasons, Right,

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Speaker 1: the expenses are just different. Some people gamble a lot

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Speaker 1: more money than others, Right. What I have to gamble

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Speaker 1: on a game to make it worth my while for

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Speaker 1: excitement would make some of you be like, damn that's

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01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Just like then some people when

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01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: I see like Dave Portnoin see how much some of

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01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: those guys put on on games, It's like, damn, that's

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01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Money all relative and right now,

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01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: the money in the NFL, if you are if you

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01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: are afraid of nominal amounts and for them we're talking

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01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars, are easy money to replace.

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01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: It's why when a coach sucks, you should immediately fire him.

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Speaker 1: Paying a guy ten twenty thirty million dollars to go

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01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 1: away when he's not the guy is always the right move.

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Speaker 1: And I listen, it's also worth the risk of playing

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Speaker 1: him if he's good, so I would play him. He's

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Speaker 1: got to be healthy to play him. But I think

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Speaker 1: it's worth the risk, even financially, because of what you

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Speaker 1: could potentially get back. Appreciate everyone listening. Fire in those

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Speaker 1: dms at John middlecoff in the instagram and we will

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Speaker 1: talk soon. Audios. The volume