WEBVTT - EXCLUSIVE: Hayden Panettiere's Roommate Chats With Billy Bush 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:04.360 Hey guys, Welcome to Hot Mikes. Please hit subscribe. One 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:10.600 week ago, Hayden Pannetier was found unresponsive in a Greenville, 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:14.280 South Carolina Airbnb nine one one was called by her 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:20.759 boyfriend Brian Hickerson and his brother Zach, who attempted CPR 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:26.239 until the paramedics arrived. She was pronounced dead forty minutes 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:30.680 after that. Today, an exclusive interview with the girl next 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:35.520 door who saw it all, Hayden's Hollywood neighbor, Mia Terrazas. 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:40.680 We still don't have an exact cause of death for Hayden, 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.559 but there is zero doubt in the hearts and minds 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:47.559 of anyone who knew her, even in the slightest, that 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:52.479 her eight year relationship with Brian Hickerson was the root cause. 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:57.400 He was violent, abusive, and by all accounts, dangerous. You're 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:01.840 about to hear MIA's account. But of course he was 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.480 there when she died, because he could have been any 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:09.880 number of times before when they were together. His history 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:16.440 of abusing others, especially Hayden, was long inconsistent. In October 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:21.800 of twenty eighteen, in Greenville, South Carolina, police responded to 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:26.920 a domestic assault in progress, a call involving Brian Hickerson 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:31.480 and his father, David. A reporting based on the incident 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:36.160 said that officers saw Brian chasing David through a kitchen. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.360 The father, David, had apparent blood and bruising, but said 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.880 his injuries came from a fall and he declined medical care. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.440 Hayden was there. She was listed as a witness no charges. 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:53.960 It would appear that Brian's father refused to press May second, 0:01:54.040 --> 0:02:01.880 twenty nineteen, Los Angeles PD in Hollywood. The Hollywood arrested 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:07.680 Brian on suspicion of felony domestic violence involving Hayden. This 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:11.160 would not be the only time he was taken into custody, 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.040 at about two twenty four in the morning. He was 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.560 held on fifty thousand dollars bail and released a day later. 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.520 It's believed that Hayden bailed him out. He was charged, 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.440 he pleaded not guilty, and the case was later dismissed 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:29.600 after prosecutors could not secure a material witness. Then, on 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:34.880 Valentine's Day, February fourteenth, twenty twenty, this one is in 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:38.560 her book that came out this past May. This is 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:45.120 me a reckoning by Hayden Pennetier Jackson Wyoming, Titon County. 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:49.320 The Teiton Carrot. The Titan County Sheriff's office was notified 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.000 of a disturbance at a Jackson home around one point 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:55.120 fifty in the morning. Brian was arrested and booked on 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:59.440 suspicion of domestic battery. The caller told police that an 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.680 intoxicated man was locked out of the private residence because 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:07.240 he had punched his girlfriend in the face. She told 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.880 police that she had been in the bedroom with Hickerson 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:13.040 when he quote started throwing her around and punching her. 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:18.040 The documents state that Hayden's face was red and swollen 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.480 and had a scrape and swelling on her left hand. 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:26.799 Hickerson was released from jail on a five thousand dollars bond. 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:30.440 Later that day, Ryan was in the driveway upon the 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:35.080 deputy's arrival, and he claimed that Hayden was in the house, 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:40.480 saying he beat the f out of me. Hickerson avoided 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:45.320 answering questions about whether he punched the then thirty year 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:49.040 old Hayden Pennettier. However, Hickerson claimed he hired a private 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:51.520 chef to be there so he wouldn't be accused of 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.840 all this bullshit. He said the police talked to the 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.280 chef on the phone and were allegedly told that he 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.760 left around one o'clock in the morning, so he wasn't there, 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.840 although he did say in documents that the couple had 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:09.600 been arguing earlier in the evening. July fourteenth, twenty twenty, 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:16.039 Hayden files a restraining order against Brian. July sixteenth, twenty twenty, 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:21.200 LA prosecutors filed a much broader eight count case covering 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:25.920 a series of alleged incidents during their relationships, specifically the 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:30.360 Wyoming assault on Hayden and the LA assault in Hayden's condo. 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:35.799 All included four felony counts of injuring a spouse or girlfriend, 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.640 two felony assault with a deadly weapon counts, one misdemeanor 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:45.040 or a battery count, and critically one felony count of 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:50.320 dissuading a witness from prosecuting a crime ie talking Hayden 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.280 out of it. He was charged with eight counts, seven felonies, 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:58.080 and one misdemeanor. Prosecutors specifically alleged that Brian Hickerson tried 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:02.040 to prevent Hayden, identified as the victim of the witness, 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:08.200 from causing a complaint or causing prosecution to proceed. April 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:13.440 twenty twenty one, Brian Hickerson received forty five days in jail, 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:19.880 four years of formal probation, fifty two domestic violence classes, restitution, 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:24.200 and a five year protective order. Remaining counts were dismissed 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.400 under the plea deal. Hayden made a statement saying that 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:32.200 she was going public about this abuse to inspire others 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:37.600 in abusive relationships to seek help. Quote, I'm prepared to 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.520 do my part to make sure this man never hurts 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:47.120 anyone again. She meant it. Then he faced up to 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.240 ten years for his crimes, according to this story, Just 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:54.560 three days before her death, Hickerson attempted to have those 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:59.240 charges expunged from his record. He claims he had fulfilled 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:04.239 the condition of his probations. In the August thirteenth hearing 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:09.320 just ten days ago, prosecutors opposed the petition, citing his 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:13.800 continued drug use. Neither Hickerson nor his lawyer were even present. 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:18.480 They cited the TMZ video with Charlie Neff. You know 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:23.599 this one? Anything before that you asked Hayden to keep 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:24.360 out of the book. 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.920 Yeah, what did you not want her to talk about? 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:32.800 In the book. So there's a story where. 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:42.680 I was drunk right Aiden was standing across room, and. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.520 I had a phone in my hand and I said, Hayden, 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.800 I said, I'll give you ten seconds to run as 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.760 fast as you can for throwed. You don't need a 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.240 prosecutor to tell you. But the prosecutor did say during 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:04.799 that interview, Hickerson speaks for fifteen minutes about the abuse 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:09.000 that's been documented in Hayden's best selling book, and he 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:14.920 makes several admissions about it. We all heard it. Brian 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:20.440 Hickerson's apparent condition in the interview was especially significant to 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:25.360 his requests. The prosecution added, because of his lawyer's representations 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.400 that Hickerson is seeking this expungement because he's now sober. 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:30.560 Oh yeah. 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:31.880 It. 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:36.480 Was also arrested in two separate incidents August second, twenty 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.200 twenty five, at Barney's Beanery in West Hollywood, and that 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:43.680 case was declined for prosecution due to insufficient evidence, and 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:47.760 he was arrested again four days later on the August sixth, 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:51.000 and charged with one misdemeanor count of being under the 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.640 influence of a controlled substance. The DA's office told People 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:59.760 magazine the court granted Hickerson judicial diversion and ordered him 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:05.480 to compleat ten narcotics anonymous sessions, to obey all laws, 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:09.520 and to refrain from any drugs or alcohol. The DA's 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:15.600 office said, Brian Hickerson needs to complete all of that 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.800 before he can be a free man. I don't think 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:25.160 anyone has ever held Brian Hickerson to account. His book 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.560 should be this is Brian, a reckoning that has yet 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:35.120 to befall me. A very long rap sheet that paints 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:41.040 the picture of a woman, a woman beating drunken, low 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.480 life loser, of a man who, in my view, by 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.479 the very nature of his violent and abusive ways, elevated 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.280 the self esteem of Hayden Pannetier, a young woman who'd 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:56.880 been drained of hers The only place that she could 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.920 appear is the good one was standing next to him. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:06.079 Theirs was a totally toxic relationship. It thrived on the 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:10.079 darkest of attachments. But Brian Hickerson is still out there. 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:16.480 He's never been held truly to account, and he absolutely 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.079 needs to be. The New York Times reporting now that 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:25.520 Brian Hickerson tried to pawn some of Hayden's possessions, including 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.280 a vintage guitar. She was shocked to find many of 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:34.240 her possessions in his storage unit. The Times also is 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.400 reporting he was banned from her book tour in May. 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.920 Barnes and Nobles in New York City was given strict 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:45.280 instructions not to allow Brian inside. Hayden also had personal 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.920 security there at the time as well. Brian has not 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.040 responded to that, and we'd like him to respond to 0:09:52.920 --> 0:10:00.880 a lot more, including that Miaterrazas lived to Hayden on 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.760 the same side of the hall in their housing complex. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.319 She was the neighbor often kept awake in the wee 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:12.680 hours of the morning by yelling, screaming, crying, crashing furniture. 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:17.880 She and Hayden crossed paths often. Their parking spots are 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.280 next to each other in the building. Pleased to welcome 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:25.040 Mia to Rasis. Mia, thank you so much for spending 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.040 some time with us. If I could just ask you 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.959 off the bat, how did you receive the news that 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:32.040 Hayden had died? 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:38.080 Thank you for having me. I was very very upset, 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:43.160 and I knew immediately that or I suspected that Brian 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.360 was with her when she passed. It's just devastating to 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:50.000 hear I had. I saw her on the elevator probably 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:53.280 I want to say, eight days before she passed, and 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:57.240 she was with Brian. But she seemed like, I don't know, 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.480 just that she was a little bit more chipper or something. 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:04.800 And yeah, this really shocking and and sad, but really 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.800 not surprising given their history. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.679 Yeah, maybe she was thinking this is the time that 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:17.360 he will keep drinking, but not keep you know, committing 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:21.880 the same behavior over and over again. When you, you 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.959 and Hayden were friendly. You you know, when you when 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:30.520 she first moved into the lofts where you live, I 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.520 didn't did she invite you over? Did you? Did you 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.560 strike up a bit of a friendship. 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:42.680 She did invite me over, and I had met her previously, 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.160 I you know, had a brief friendship with her mother, 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:50.360 and I also knew Jansen and she had in a 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:54.640 text message invited me over. And shortly after that I 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.680 saw Brian, and you know, it was just really difficult 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.240 to communicate with her after he showed up, so that 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:04.160 get together never happened. 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.520 Oh what was she? What was she like when he 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:11.800 was not around? Did you did you get to interact 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.160 with her in a way? Was she different when he 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:15.840 was there as opposed to when he was not. 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.880 She was very different. She just seemed like alive, and 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.480 you know, whenever I would see her with Brian, she 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.599 was just quite subdued and almost like her you know, 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.400 body language was completely different, her mannerisms, just like in 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:37.640 the way she spoke, and when she wasn't with him, 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:42.000 she just seemed happier. And I don't know, she was 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.079 just a real bit of a character I think in her, 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.480 you know, because I'd see her taken out the trash 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.240 and her pajamas and you know, things like. 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:54.720 That, and she's just really sweet, cute personality. I mean, 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:56.840 I spent a lot of time with Hayden over the years, 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.679 just many interviews and you know there for the entire 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:04.120 n of Heroes in Nashville and all of that. But 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.920 in her book she describes Brian as a doctor jackal 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:15.280 and mister Hyde, always remorseful and apologetic after he sobered up. 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:24.160 Did you ever interact with Brian when she was not around? 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:30.199 I did. I At one time, he you know, I 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:33.079 was going to take the elevator and he came and 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.760 was also going to take the elevator, and I decided 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:37.880 to take the stairs and It was just very odd 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:43.959 because I have an excruciating, you know, neurological condition, and 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.040 I was moving down the stairs very slowly, and he 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.560 was right behind me and letting me know he was there. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.360 And another occasion, I asked him was he still living 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.679 in the building and he told me yes, he was 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.040 living in the building. And he said, I know Hayden 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.360 has introduced us, and this was only a few months ago, 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.959 so he should have known my name because I saw 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.760 her plenty of times with him, And he said, Hayden 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.640 introduced us, but I've forgotten your name. And I didn't 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:14.040 answer him, and then he like started to walk after 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.280 me and said, I didn't get your name. What is 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.440 your name? And I just kept walking toward the elevator. 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.440 I wasn't going to engage him, but he could just 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:27.240 be very intimidating. And then other times he seemed just 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:28.560 completely out of it. 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.800 What was he just like you could tell the substances 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:35.040 were kind of always going. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.680 That's what it looked like to me. It looked at 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:44.320 there was always some kind of substance and or potentially 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.560 mental Yeah. 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.160 Well, after enough substances, yeah, I mean, you know, I 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:55.960 suppose yeah, he just yeah, he says it. 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.480 I'm there are videos out there of him that he 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:02.080 had himself as post and I think he describes who 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:03.360 he is better than I could. 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.680 And you talked to him the TMZ video where he's 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.200 slurring and he seems to be on something. And this 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.160 is back in May when the book came out, and 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:15.320 he admits, you know, to abusing her. You know, right 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:19.080 there in the interview, he seems to be on something. 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:21.280 Is that something you've encountered before. 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:27.160 Absolutely? Yeah. I don't think I've ever encountered him where 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.120 I thought he seemed like a you know, just an 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:36.119 average person, or that he wasn't on something. Yeah, definitely. 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:41.480 Can you tell us about the time you witnessed that 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:46.960 Hayden was taken from the apartment complex on a gurney 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.120 after a particular fight with Brian. 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:56.360 I actually saw her being removed on a gurney twice 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:02.040 within a couple of years, fan, And you know, although 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.640 her her face was and you know, I wouldn't say 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.440 it was necessarily beaten up, but I just saw red 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:13.760 marks on her. And at one point, the fireman and 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.200 EMT kept ringing the call box to try to get 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.560 in and someone was not letting them in, and they 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.800 were unable to access the door, and I ran downstairs 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.480 and you know, let them in and rode up in 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.400 the elevator with them. And I had tried talking to 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.120 them at that that time. That was the second time 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.760 she was removed, and I told them that I was 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:38.520 very concerned and could she at least separate Brian from 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.520 her so she could go on the ambulance alone or something. 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:47.440 And I got mocked for that. It was like the 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.800 EMT or the I can't recall if it was the 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.440 EMT or the fireman. They were waiting for the elevator 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:58.720 and he, you know, I waved motion to him and 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:00.560 asking if he could come up first so I could 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:04.720 speak with him, and he was like just acting very animated, 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:06.560 you know, kind of like, oh, you want to talk 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:14.160 to me, and just yeah, it completely just dismissed any 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.320 concerns that I that I had. And the reason I 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.960 had asked, could you know, because I knew Brian wasn't 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:23.119 was the one who was not allowing them into the building, 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.240 and I had suspected perhaps she called the you know, 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.680 the EMT or the fire because she didn't want to 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:34.000 file another police report. But clearly she had red marks 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.879 on her, and you know, I asked her if she 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.560 was okay, and she said yes, but it didn't appear 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:42.760 to me that she was. And Brian was hovering over 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:43.400 the whole time. 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.199 Did you ever get a chance to talk to her 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.920 and be like, what do you what are you doing? 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:51.880 I mean, it's not like your place to, I guess 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.479 to you know, you hope family and friends and her 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:59.440 best friends and you know, mom, dad, somebody is going 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.120 to enter Jack and say you've got to get away. 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:09.240 Did you ever say to her, you know, hey, he's 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.800 not good for you. Stop you're you know, you're a 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:12.400 sweet kid. 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:17.320 I I did. I wouldn't say I directly said anything. 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.240 I did, you know, just let her know that I 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:25.600 was here and if she ever needed anything. And it's 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.399 really interesting. I did try to broach that topic a 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:32.080 couple of times, but it's like she just wasn't having it. 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:37.960 For whatever reason. She couldn't hear anything, you know, discouraging 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:42.680 about Brian. I don't know. I don't know what it was, honestly, 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.399 So I figured that I had more of a chance of, 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.399 you know, if she ever needed help, if I didn't, 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.760 you know, tell her anything about that, or I just 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:55.920 I could tell she just didn't want to talk about it. 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.639 Essentially, did folks in the building talk about this? Did 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.600 you see their neighbors and were they like, oh, Brian, 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.720 you know everybody was he you know, one of those 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:09.919 sort of constant, omnipresent type of evil characters in the building. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:15.920 He was, Yeah. I it certainly appeared that way since 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.040 I work from home, and you know, I would just 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.560 see him all the time, and it looked like he 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.600 didn't have a job. At one point, you know, we 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.480 had those posters up saying to call nine one one, 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.400 and I saw him in the garage. They called the sheriff, 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:33.240 and you know, I was texting with the HOA saying, 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:35.080 you know, we have to get this character out of 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:36.800 our building. And they told me he was going to 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.960 rehab and you know, he wouldn't be around anymore. But 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.840 I never saw him gone ever. I would just constantly 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:49.200 see him, just, yeah, hanging around working on his car. 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.920 He had fallen asleep in the car one time and 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.920 it was all revved up and carbon monoxide filled the garage. 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.479 And another time he was working on his He had 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:02.480 an old Bronco and apparently when Hayden threw him out. 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:04.960 He would have to live in the broncho. That's what 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:08.960 I heard, because one of our HOA members said that, 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:11.440 you know, at least he doesn't have to sleep in 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.760 his car now, you know, since he's going to rehab. 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.879 But he was like left his car running again with 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.160 a carbon monoxide filling the garage. 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.840 How did building management allow him when he's a terror 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:28.680 to you know, everyone who lives there, to even be 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.800 on premises. And you mentioned something about an HOA sign. 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:33.720 What was that there was? What was the sign? 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.480 Well, at one point they had put up signs and 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.560 I'm not entirely sure who put them up, but that 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.360 you know, if we saw Brian anywhere on the property 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:47.959 to call the sheriff immediately, to call nine one one, 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:51.240 that he would be trespassing. And I would say. A 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.480 week later, they started coming down and I had made 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:58.119 copies and I tried hanging them up again and they 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:02.520 would come right back down. And then I contacted the 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:06.359 HOA Association several times and they said, you know that 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:11.040 Hayden would be escorting him in the common areas. And 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:16.560 at one point, you know, I had told one of 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:20.400 the members that I hope that you know that I'm 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:25.280 a CCW carrier, conciled carrier, and that I hoped if 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:27.239 he ever did anything to me, I was a good 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.840 enough shot to not kill him, you know, because I 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.280 got I was that afraid of him. He's just always 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.320 kind of it's hard to say why you're afraid of somebody, 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:37.840 But he just gave me the willies from the day 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.000 that I saw him, and then when I looked into 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:43.760 his history. So yeah, but he seemed like a menace 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:46.960 on the property, and I wondered why they didn't just 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.840 force him out because I feel also like, you know, 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:52.760 us as a community, we were telling Hayden that we 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.399 accepted that, and you know, I thought, we need to 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.160 come together as a community and say absolutely not, he's 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:01.920 not going to be on our property. There was a 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:05.879 no contact order that a judge had placed and it 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:10.800 only ended in May of twenty twenty six, and you know, 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:13.680 I would see him all the time up until you 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:16.320 know that, up until she passed. 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:21.359 You carried you have a concealed carrier, so you carry 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:27.000 a firearm. Is he the reason for that or no? 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:31.280 He he is not the reason. However, I have to 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:34.520 say that when I knew he was in the building. 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:38.119 I wouldn't go downstairs to even take down the recycling 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:43.800 or anything without my firearm on me. Yeah, I yeah, 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:47.200 it just terrified me that that much. And I had 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.960 warned someone else who was moving into the building. She 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:53.919 has a very diminutive stature like Hayden, and I told her, 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:58.000 you know, don't take this as my word, but look 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:00.520 up his history and you'll see why. You just need 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:03.960 to be careful on the garage and the common areas. 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:07.920 How many times would you say and what you know, 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.800 maybe the worst time when when you you could could 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:14.240 you hear them, you know, fighting through the walls? Could 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:17.480 you hear a row? Could you hear the arguing and 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:21.119 the screaming? And you know, did others hear it? And 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:22.080 how often? 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:28.800 I'm uncertain if others heard it. It seemed like a 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:32.200 topic that no one here really wanted to talk about. 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:36.399 I would hear it frequently when I had my windows open, 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:40.200 especially because I'm just you know, one unit away, and 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:46.760 could definitely hear it. Just sounded like muffled screaming. I 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.760 don't know. Sometimes there would be like loud noises there. 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:52.840 I don't know. At one point he had ripped apart 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:57.000 her apartment and made it uninhabitable with a sledgehammer. And 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:00.680 you know, I didn't know after I found doubt about that, 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:05.680 I didn't know if that's possibly what it was, you know, 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:09.080 some of the noises. I was uncertain about that. But yeah, 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:11.200 it just sounded very like hostile. 0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:17.440 You're a nice woman, and you obviously you know, a 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:22.080 good neighbor, and yet you there must be some a 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:24.840 bit of a helpless feeling, because there's not You can't 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:28.160 demand that he'd be taken away. You can't take out 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:34.040 a restraining order, You can't you know, physically intervene. But 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:40.440 it must have been you talk about when she died, 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:47.800 you knew instinctively, Yeah, had to be Yeah. 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:51.639 Yeah, oh absolutely, that was my very first thought that 0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:56.040 he was there. And one can't help but wonder if he, 0:24:56.480 --> 0:24:59.520 you know, lured her away somehow, and you know, thinking 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:04.280 that it would be investigated under such scrutiny, and you know, 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.600 up until that time, I had called the non emergency 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:11.520 Sheriff's office to find out what could be done about this, 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:16.560 to keep this man out, And I called so many times, 0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:19.440 hoping for a different answer, and of course, you know, 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:22.720 never I just couldn't do anything about it. But yeah, 0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:25.639 I wasn't surprised. That was my first thought before they 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:30.359 started announcing that, you know, he was present during the death. 0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:37.080 It's really tragic, and one wonders how he could not 0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:42.000 be involved given his past with her. That's my thought, 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:43.640 how could he not be involved? 0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:48.960 You said you saw Hayden eight days before she died 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:51.800 in the building. Was she with Brian at the time? 0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:58.200 She was? And I was surprised because the you know, 0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:01.879 just the dynamics between seemed a little bit different. Like 0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:07.080 I noticed she was more you know, just like distant 0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:11.840 from him and more engaged with me. And I was 0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:14.720 really paying attention to that, and I thought that, you know, 0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:17.520 the thought that occurred in my mind is maybe she's 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:21.280 considering leading him. And that's why I was wondering if 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:25.080