1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never told You from how Supports 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen 3 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline. And Caroline, I think we need to 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: go ahead and get a vocabulary note out of the 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: way for this podcast. Okay, we're gonna stay squirting. Yeah, yeah, yes, 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: that's accurate. We are. And we're not trying to be 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: controversial or dirty or illicit giggles, although if you giggle, 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: we can't hear you, so that's fine. Yeah, we kind 9 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: of do like eliciting giggles when we can. Yeah, but no, 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: we we are trying to lay out some some biological 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: anatomical info. We're dropping some knowledge bombs on you today. Yeah, 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: and squirting is not just pornographic slang. This is a 13 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: term used by scientists and doctors to actually distinguish squirting. 14 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: As we'll go onto this gribe from female ejaculation. This 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: is all part of the Great Squirting Debate, as is 16 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: the title of this podcast episode. So, so folks are 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: gonna say squirting, I just want to We just want 18 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: to get that out of the way so that people 19 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: understand why we are saying what some would probably think 20 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: of as a controversial word. Yeah, but ladies and gentlemen, 21 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: if you enjoyed our clitteracy episode last year, I think 22 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: you're really going to enjoy this one too, because the 23 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: whole thing about squirting and female ejaculation and orgasms and 24 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: the female body and how scary and mysterious it is, uh, 25 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: is that people have been fascinated with this topic for 26 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: literally centuries. And it's interesting to see the development of 27 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: the knowledge and the observations about women's bodies and then 28 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: how it's like lost to history, it's like dust in 29 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: the wind and uh and and then we're here now. Yeah, 30 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: this definitely feels like an epilogue to our c literacy episode, 31 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: which if you haven't listened to it, we'll finish. Listen 32 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: to this and then listen to that, which you can 33 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: find over at stuff Mom Never told you dot com. 34 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: Just search cliteracy. So enough about cliteracy. Let's talk about ejaculation, Caroline. 35 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: This is what we're here in the studio to do today. 36 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: Let's talk about female ejaculate and is it ejaculate? How 37 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: many women ejaculate? Well? Um, what's interesting. I feel like 38 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people on the internet and in the 39 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: world argue about squirting versus female ejaculation and say that 40 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: it's something you can learn, something that you should be 41 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: doing in the bedroom. Umor and some people are saying, no, 42 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: it's just porn, or it's just made up or whatever. 43 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: Some people are really offended by it as well. But 44 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: as reported by psychologist James Sherlock over at The Independent 45 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: in January, some ten to forty percent of women experience 46 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: the involuntary emission of fluid, ranging somewhere between six to 47 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: thirty teaspoons, which I find to be an adorable measurement. Yes, teaspoons, 48 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: the proper little teaspoon measuring out ejaculate. Another conversion of 49 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: that fifty milli leaders. If you prefer to think in 50 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: milli leaders as opposed to teaspoons, it's your choice. We 51 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: like to give our listeners choices. Um and sure Like 52 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: points out that even though colloquially, female ejaculations is now 53 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: known as squirting as well, a lot of times squirting 54 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: And we'll get more into this, and this is where 55 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: the science of squirting comes in and why we are 56 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: using this term squirting. Squirting usually refers to in the 57 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: scientific lab a larger amount of liquid coming out right 58 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: because Yeah, like you said, there is a difference, Um, 59 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: but there are theories about what female ejaculate even is 60 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: in the first place. And these theories have been around 61 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: also for thousands of years up till today, and they 62 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: include involuntarily urinating during and or after sex, or it's 63 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: just hyper lubrication. Yeah, nobody's nobody put forth the theory 64 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: that it's something completely unique from either one of those. Yeah. 65 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: And like we've said, this idea, this observation, the existence 66 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: of this fluid has been around for a long time. 67 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: If you go back two thousand years ago, you'll find 68 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: descriptions of female ejaculation in a lot of Taoist texts 69 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: that talk about yin and yang and how female ejaculate 70 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: or what's what sounds a lot like female ejaculate is 71 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: considered the yin chi essence because women contain the yin 72 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: and the chie sort of the balance of the yin 73 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: and the yang, and then combined is the yin chi essence, 74 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: which I mean, they're really into it. Yeah. Well, we 75 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: should also point out that the y was considered negative 76 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: and passive and cold, whereas the yang essence was considered 77 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: the more active, happy, gregarious, extrovert. And and the guys 78 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: have the yang, so semen is the yang. Female ejaculate 79 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: the yin, and then you have the yin Chi and Caroline, 80 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: can we now bring up the Taoist text Secret Instructions 81 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: concerning the Jade Chamber, which is essentially an old sex guide. Yeah, no, 82 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: it's it's amazing and it will forever now be the 83 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: name for my vagina, the jade chamber chamber. Yeah, for sure, 84 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: I love it. But in the Chinese wrote a lot 85 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: about sex, they definitely didn't shy away from the topic, 86 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: and in this particular text they clearly distinguished between the 87 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: quote flippery vagina or the state of arousal and the 88 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: genitals transmitting fluid or historians think female ejaculation. And what's 89 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: notable in these ancient Chinese texts as well as Indian 90 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: texts will mention in just a second, they describe female 91 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: ejaculate not so much in terms of reproduction the whole 92 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: female sperm thing that we talked about in our literacy 93 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: podcast that we'll talk about in more detail and just 94 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: a moment, but rather in terms of pure sexual pleasure 95 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: and that this was a good thing, that the sign 96 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: of the quote genitals transmitting fluid, which is the fifth 97 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: sign of female arousal in the secret instructions concerning the 98 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: jade chamber, that that is good for you physically mentally 99 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: and can lead to longevity, not so much that, oh, well, 100 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: she's transmitting this fluid. Time to make a baby, right, 101 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, speaking of India, the Comma Sutra, with which 102 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys are familiar, actually provides one of 103 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: the earliest, quote scientific investigations and basic physiological descriptions of 104 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: this whole female ejaculation process. And yeah, like Kristen said, 105 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: it was considered in these cultures to be just part 106 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: of a of a balanced breakfast, of a healthy life 107 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: and didn't have so much to do with a focus 108 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: on reproduction. But when you get to ancient Greece, physicians 109 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: mentioned female ejaculation in their studies as well, but typically 110 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: more in a reproductive context. If we look to Aristotle 111 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: and Hippocrates, for instance, they did ponder the origins of 112 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: female sperm and female discharge and what that meant for 113 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: health and for reproduction. Scholars aren't entirely sure whether Aristotle 114 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: is referring more to female ejaculate or simply lubricating vaginal 115 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: lubrication when he wrote, quote, there is a discharge from 116 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: the uterus which occurs in some women but not in others. 117 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: It's found in those who are fair skinned and of 118 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,119 Speaker 1: a feminine type generally, but not those who are dark 119 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: and of masculine appearance. So do with that what you will. Indeed, 120 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: and Hippocrates meanwhile, thought that a child sex could be 121 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: partially determined by whether the woman emits her own strong 122 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: or weak sperm in combination with her husband's strong or 123 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: weeks week sperm, though he didn't mention ejaculation specifically. But 124 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: at this time people definitely believe that women had their 125 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: own semen going on because physicians really from ancient times 126 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: up through the Renaissance figured that male and female reproductive 127 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: organs were counterparts. They were essentially exactly the same, but 128 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: women's were the lesser of the two because of size. 129 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: And as an example, the term testies was used for 130 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: both male and female organs because it was assumed that 131 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: they both produced semen, So our ovaries, in other words, 132 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: would have been thought to have been our testies. They're 133 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: just inside of us. Because the idea was that female 134 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: genitalia was just male genitalia tucked up inside of us. 135 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: We just kind of had like reverse smaller penises and testicles, 136 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: right exactly. I know why I had to slow down penises, 137 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: but I need to I need to charge your batteries. 138 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: The Kristen Bot, Well, they to get to Galen, who's 139 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: a huge name in early medicine. In biology, Galen thought 140 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: that women needed to reach orgasmic sexual pleasure in order 141 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: to create their own ejaculated semen. This is what historians 142 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: referred to as the two seed model. It's this idea 143 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: of the female orgasm being necessary and critical. And the 144 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: thing is, even though these physicians believed more that semen 145 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: and ejaculation had to do with reproductive stuff as opposed 146 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: to just sexual pleasure, this idea that the female orgasm 147 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: was critical basically lasted up until the Victorians were like 148 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: female sexuality put it away. I mean, that's a pretty 149 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: gentlemanly idea that Galen put forth. Though I'll say that 150 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: um and and that is actually something that is a 151 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: common theme in these earlier texts. I mean, going back 152 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: to ancient China and India, where there is a focus 153 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: on women orgasm ng first in order for everything to 154 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: work out as it should. Yeah, you gotta get that essence. 155 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: That's where I get your essence. Um and But but 156 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: there was also this idea to which sort of relates 157 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: to hysteria, which we've talked about a lot on the podcast, 158 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: the idea of the wandering uterus if you don't have 159 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: a baby. But there's also concern over the build up 160 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: of female stemen. That was one reason why women orgasming 161 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: was considered important so that we could then release our fluids. 162 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: So they did so that they didn't build up inspide 163 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: of us and make us crazy, right like one widow 164 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: that Galen observed who was experiencing a lot of back 165 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: pains and other aches and pains which he believed was 166 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: caused by a build up of semens that could be 167 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: remedied by a midwife rubbing her genitals. And I mean 168 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: that overlaps completely with our claracy episode. Uh. I have 169 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: a feeling that this is like a kinder, gentler version 170 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: of the Victorian era where they were trying to use 171 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: like giant mechanical vibrators to get women to orgasm. And 172 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: I also have a feeling they weren't as judging. I'm 173 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: just gonna say that not as judge as the Victorians. Yeah, 174 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: there's yeah, it's it's not hard to be less judgy 175 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: than the Victorians. But before we get more into those 176 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: judge victorians, we should pause in the seventeenth century and 177 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: applaud a Dutch kind of cologist by the name of 178 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: de Graph, who provided the first actual scientific insight into 179 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: this ejaculation issue. He was the first to suggest, and 180 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: we'll explain this more, he was the first to suggest 181 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: that the glands around a woman's urethra were equivalent to 182 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: a man's prostate glands. He distinguished also between arousal related 183 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: lubrication and female ejaculation, and said that that ejaculation fluid 184 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: was from that female prostate. And this is wonderful. It's like, 185 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, sixteen hundreds, we've got this science that 186 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: is real. We have real science. Surely, surely we will 187 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: continue in this vein, in this vein. Yeah. Well, speaking 188 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: of veins, de Graph described this lubricant as a pituito 189 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: serious juice which will actually come up in modern medicine again, 190 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: which he thought made women more libidinous with its quote 191 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: pungency and saltiness and lubricate says sexual parts in agreeable 192 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: fashion during coitus. So he was onto something for sure. 193 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: He was like, okay, all right, we're figuring out that 194 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: there there is some internal anatomy that is uh, you know, 195 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: creating this lubricant this possible ejaculate. But then let's pass 196 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: forward to eighteen eighties six where we have a noted psychiatrist, 197 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: Richard von croft Ebbing, who said that women only ejaculated 198 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: when they were weak minded lesbians who had sex with 199 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: other women. Yeah, yeah, he's not he's not big on 200 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: the lesbians. Or maybe he is big on the lesbians 201 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: and that's why he was so judging and me and 202 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: in his in his paper, it sounds like we're trying 203 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: to psychiatrizes the psychiatrists, And yes, I did just make 204 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: up a word. But then around the same time in 205 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: the eighties, we get a guy who builds off of 206 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: the previous research of that Dutch kind of coologist a 207 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: graph We get Alexander Skaine, who discovered perio retro glands 208 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: in women and noted that they produced fluid and it 209 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: reminded physicians of the time of men's prostate gland. It's 210 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: as if people had lived for two hundred years and 211 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: totally forgot what the graph had already been, like, hey, hey, 212 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: I've already done that. I've already I already pointed that out. 213 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: And skin though received the eponymous recognition for that because 214 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: these are now known as your skins glands. Wouldn't that 215 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: be cool to have a gland named after you, Caroline? 216 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: It would? But we have so much more to talk 217 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: about the glands. We'll get to him in a minute, 218 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: but first we have to talk about psychologist have a 219 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: Lock Ellis, who in nineteen o four they're still trying 220 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: to figure the stuff out. He proposed that female ejaculation 221 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: was basically the same thing as semens, so he's like, 222 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: he's just reading the stuff from the ancient Greeks. He 223 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: also proposed that it came from the bartholon glands, which 224 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: are two piece sized glands responsible for secreting mucus that 225 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: lubricates the vagina. So he's basically saying things that we've 226 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: heard already, that it's female. Female ejaculation is equivalent to 227 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: male ejaculation, and that it's there just to lubricate. But 228 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: other people disagreed. But then we get to nineteen o 229 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: four and psychologists have a lock. Ellis proposed that female 230 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: ejaculation came from the Bartholn glands, which are two piece 231 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: sized glands responsible for secreting mucus that lubricates the vagina. 232 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: So basically, Ellis is saying like, hey, they might ejaculate 233 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: the stuff or or have a certain discharge, but it's 234 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: it's mainly for lubrication purpose. It's all the same thing. 235 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: And we should point out that by now the reproductive 236 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: potential of this fluid, whatever it might be, had been 237 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: and dismiss thanks to microscopes and the realization that women 238 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: don't produce female sperm. That whole two seed model that 239 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: Galen came up with a long long time ago that 240 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: had been disproven. So once we're in the twentieth century, 241 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: now it comes down to that the great squirting debate 242 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: has now boiled down to well, where does it come from? 243 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: And is it the same as vaginal lubricant? Are we all? 244 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: Is this all just different names for the same thing. 245 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: And then in nineteen fifty a guy named Ernest Graffenberg 246 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: comes along, and if Graffenberg rings a bell, it's probably 247 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: because he is the g in g spot. He disagreed 248 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: with Ellis. He said female ejaculation has little to do 249 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: with lubrication. He said, no, no, no, this is a 250 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: separate fluid all together. And why did he say this, Well, 251 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: he observed women masturbating and noticed that ejaculation occurred more 252 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: frequently with the palpitation of an orogenous zone on the 253 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: front wall of the vagina near the urethra. This is 254 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: known as your urethral sponge, or more colloquially as the 255 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: G spot. And we should point out that Graffenberg didn't 256 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: name the G spot after himself. That name came much later, 257 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: Although how awesome would that be if he's like, I'm 258 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: putting a flag in this, I'm calling it, I'm naming 259 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: it after myself. This is a Grafenberg spot dropped the 260 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: mic am out um. But so anyway, key to his 261 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: observation was the fact that this emission that he noticed 262 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: happened during the orgasm, at the apex of the orgasm, 263 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: and after, not before. So it wasn't. Yes, women's vaginas 264 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: became lubricated before and during sex, but this particular mission 265 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: that he was observing did not have to do with lubrication. 266 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: It was happening after orgasm and during orgasm, so His 267 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: answer was that female ejaculation was a secretion from the 268 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: intra urethral glands located underneath the G spot, not urine, 269 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: which was the leading alternative hypothesis at the time and 270 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: is going to come back again, but not before the 271 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: fifties and sixties, when interestingly both Alfred Kinsey and Masters 272 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: and Johnson dismissed female ejaculation as just extra vaginal lubrication. 273 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: They're like, no, this extra thing is not happening. It's 274 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: all just the same things, which puts us back at 275 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: square one. And then finally, though in researchers for the 276 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: very first time are like, hey, why don't we apply 277 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: some rigorous science to this, And they perform a chemical 278 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: analysis of female ejaculate and what do they find, Caroline, 279 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: we have sperm after all. Now it demonstrated a clear 280 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: difference between the liquid excreted deering orgasm and urine. Yeah, 281 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: and so at this point researchers are putting forth the 282 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: notion that female ejaculate originates from way air ladies and 283 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: gentlemen the scans glands, so you know, the stuff that 284 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: was being discussed back in sixteen hundreds. Basically, Yeah, and 285 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: so they're saying okay, well, these glands are just the 286 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: equivalent to a female prostate. It's the same cells that 287 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: when we're in utero will develop into the male prostate 288 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: depending on your chromosomal makeup, and they're made of similar 289 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: tissues also in women. But some say that they're quote 290 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: dead end cells or vestiges of our embryonic days. Yeah, 291 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of dismissal going on, like the why 292 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: do we care if women have these little glands or 293 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: tissues or whatever. It's not like they're doing anything like 294 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: helping you reproduce, But we clearly care so much because 295 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: the entire history of the medical history of female ejaculation, 296 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: the medical history of the clitterest, everything that we know 297 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: has been a constant search for, like homologous anatomy between 298 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: men and women. It's essentially looking at male anatomy and 299 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: then figuring out, Okay, what inside women matches this. So 300 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: they dismiss it, and yet they still use the same 301 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: logic to try to figure it out, which doesn't seem 302 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: to make much sense, especially considering that these are scientists. 303 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: Right while speaking of all of those scientists, when we're 304 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: in the late eighties and early nineties, there are a 305 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: lot of studies that happened that back up this difference 306 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: between female ejaculate and lubrication and urine in addition to 307 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: confirming the fact that yes, women do have ejaculate. So 308 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: we get pathologist Milan Xaviacic, who is a big name 309 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: in this research. He and his team found that both 310 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: the male and the female prostate quote release their contents 311 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: via an ejaculatory mechanism and continual resting secretions. And then 312 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: around this time, several studies demonstrated that female ejaculate contained 313 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: a lot more of this thing called prostatic acid phospha 314 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: days which is a chemical secreted by the prostate land 315 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: and is found in semen, and a lot less urrea 316 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: than the subjects urine. So what does this mean. It 317 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: helped women understand basically that they weren't experiencing incontinence during 318 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: and after sex and that this emission is a normal phenomenon. 319 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: Of course, women who do struggle with incontinents, that's a thing, 320 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: But they're saying that this squirting, this female ejaculation is 321 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: not wetting the bed. You were not experiencing incontinence, and 322 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: it's a part of normal sexual activity for a lot 323 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: of people. And in addition to that, prosthetic acid phosphatase 324 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: fructos had also been identified around this time in female ejaculate, 325 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: which previously was thought to be present only in male ejaculate, 326 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: as an energy source to help sperm move along in 327 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: the epic journey, usually to death. But of course the 328 00:20:54,720 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: requestion marks about the function of that fructose, is it 329 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: to move sperm along? Because at the same time, there 330 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: have also been theories that perhaps this ejaculate actually creates 331 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: more of an acidic and inhospitable environment for sperm, serving 332 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: as another kind of quote unquote natural birth control for 333 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: women because there is no reproductive purpose to it. Maybe 334 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: it is tied solely to female sexual pleasure. But after 335 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: all this research in zaviat Check and neurophysiologist Beverly Whipple, 336 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: who by the way, was one of the researchers who 337 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: gave the G spot the G named it after Graffenberg, 338 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: they still were not sure what the connections were between 339 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: this female prostate that they've they've been researching the now 340 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: named G spot and female ejaculation. But Zaviatics name does 341 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: not go away, as we'll see in just a second. 342 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: But if we move up past the nineties into the 343 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: more modern era, we have figured out a few more things, 344 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: although there are still a lot of mysteries and confusion 345 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: and controversy almost surrounding the female orgasm. So researchers have 346 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: figured out that the prostate, being fully formed in men 347 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have a fully formed female equivalence. So our 348 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: skins glands aren't always fully developed. Some have large skains glands, 349 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: some don't, some seem to lack them completely, and scientists 350 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: think that this variation among women might be maybe why 351 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: some women experience g spot orgasms and ejaculation while others don't. Well. 352 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: In addition to the variation in size with the skins, 353 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: glands or female prostate, there's also variation in size in 354 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: terms of your your rethral sponge, in the kinds of 355 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: erectile tissues in your internal clitterists that may or may 356 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: not influence uh the likelihood of so called g spot orgasms. Um, 357 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: but the aviatic said, when it comes to the skins glands, 358 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: you should just call them the female prostate. He thinks 359 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: that they are alike enough that that's what it should be, 360 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: And in fact, in two thousand two, the Federative International 361 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: Committee on Anatomical Terminology officially renamed skains glands the prostate, 362 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: which is interesting. Um. But again again it is this 363 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: pursuit of homologous anatomy which but fuddles me a little 364 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: bit because, um, especially if we just call it the 365 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: female prostate to disambiguate from the prostate, which just makes 366 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: the male body normative and the female body the exception. 367 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: But that's another conversation for another time. Um, regardless of 368 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: the name, every healthy dude with a prostate produces prostate fluid, 369 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: but only a fraction. Again that ten tot of women ejaculated, 370 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: as far as anyone can tell. So it's like the 371 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: more we learn, the more questions we have, and a 372 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,959 Speaker 1: lot of it seems to come down on two semantics 373 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: of like what do we call this thing rather than 374 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: just saying, okay, well we know this happens, right. But 375 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: we'll get more into our continuing our ongoing fascination with 376 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: female ejaculation and the issue of squirting and what is 377 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: or is not squirting? When don't we come right back 378 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: from a quick break and now back to the show. 379 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: So in the first half of the podcast, we charted 380 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: the medical history of female ejaculate And I want to 381 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: cite this paper that we drew from published in the 382 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: journal Sexual Medicine History in two thousand and ten to 383 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 1: kick off the second half um in which the author 384 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: writes quote this article aims to demonstrate that the phenomenon 385 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: of female ejaculation has been discovered, described, and forgotten in 386 00:24:53,960 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: Eastern and Western culture repeatedly over the last two thousand years. 387 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: And where does that leave us in? Still with questions, 388 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: still with a great squirting debate, not only about its physiology, 389 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: but also about its propriety. Yeah, so, if you've been 390 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: paying attention to the news the past several months, you 391 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: might remember that the UK banned squirting in porn. I 392 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: mean you can still watch it, obviously, you can still 393 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: access it on the Internet or wherever you get your porn, 394 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: but it just can't be produced in the UK. They 395 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: also banned by the way strangulation, which okay, I guess 396 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: I can see spanking and faith sitting. So this this 397 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: is all part of that those faith sitting demonstrations that 398 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: were going on in England a while back. And the 399 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: reason why squirting porn was banned was because they thought 400 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: that it looked too much like p porn essentially. Yeah, 401 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, squirting was basically fine when it was 402 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: considered to be just a sexual response and something that 403 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: bends two bodies during sex. UM. But once the question 404 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: of like, oh, is it urine, We'll wait, that's obscene. 405 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: Once that came up, then that's when the band was set. 406 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: But it's funny because, yeah, like the writer said, we 407 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: have two thousand years of studying what female ejaculation is 408 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: and is not, but we still haven't gotten to a 409 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: point where we're comfortable defining it. And so then we 410 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: get this new study in December which sort of like, 411 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: I know, we joked about Kim Kardashian breaking the Internet, 412 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: but this study like blew the Internet up. Yeah. It 413 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: was published in the Journal of Sexual Medicine and it 414 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: was called the Nature and Origin of Squirting in Female Sexuality. 415 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: So yes, squirting is in a study title published in 416 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: a respected journal, hence its use in this podcast um. 417 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: And it was conducted by these researchers in France, and 418 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: what they did was get seven so keep this in mind, 419 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: pretty small sample size, but they brought seven women who 420 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: had self reported a jack relation into a lab to see, okay, 421 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: once and for all, are you ladies just incontinent during 422 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: orgasm or not? And initially they had them come in 423 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: empty their bladders, and even they even scanned the bladders 424 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: to make sure, okay, there's nothing in them all right, 425 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 1: And then what happened Caroline, Well, at this point they 426 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: begin sexual stimulation, either with a partner or by themselves, 427 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: but then they stop to undergo another ultrasound to examine 428 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: what's going on with their bladders. At this point they 429 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: determine that there's a little fluid in the bladder. They're 430 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: released to go back to sexual stimulation. Once they achieve 431 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: orgasm and experience ejaculation. The researchers collected a sample of 432 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: that fluid and then performed another ultrasound. What did they find, Well, 433 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: that fluid that midway through had been detected in the 434 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: bladder after starting and then stopping, sexual stimulation was gone. 435 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: So the outcome was basically that among two of the 436 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: seven women went once they performed this biochemical analysis of 437 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: the fluid, it was just urine, sad trombone noise. Yeah, 438 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: And we should know too that these were women who 439 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: said that not only did they ejaculate, but usually they 440 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: would squirt about a glass of waters worth a fluid 441 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: deering orgasm. And this also leads to this proposed distinction 442 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: between female ejaculate, which is like a little bit, and squirting, 443 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: which is a lot of it, right, And so for 444 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: the other five of seven women. This is coming from 445 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: that article in The Independent that we cited earlier. The 446 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: biochemical analysis showed that while the fluid was mostly urine, 447 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: it also contained a prostate specific and regen originating from 448 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: this games glands, and the authors concluded that these results 449 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: support their hypothesis that female ejaculation is an involuntary urine 450 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: a mission. They said that the presence of that prostate 451 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: specific androgen, though, was ruled to be the residue of 452 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: true female ejaculation due to mechanical stimulation of the g spot. 453 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: But you also have to wonder with this kind of 454 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: study set up to how how authentic almost the results are, 455 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: because one thing that we didn't note was that for 456 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: this whole process of women having an orgasm, it took 457 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: around an hour too, and also having to stop in 458 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: the middle go get your bladder scan and then come 459 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 1: back not the most arousing set up as well. So 460 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: who knows whether if this were happening at home and 461 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: they took the dainty little teaspoons and collected some and 462 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: then took it to a lab, whether perhaps maybe there 463 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: would be more prostate specific androgen and and less urrea. 464 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: And also doesn't really matter because the unfortunate thing about 465 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: this study and its results being published in a very 466 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: internet fashion, as women are just peating themselves in bed, 467 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: that really didn't help the situation at all, because now 468 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: we're still left with the question of well esquirting the 469 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: same thing as female ejaculation, Because in two thousand eleven, 470 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: there is a study published in the Journal of Sexual Medicine, which, 471 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: by the way, if you want to know about female ejaculation, 472 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: get yourself a subscription to the Journal of Sexual Medicine. 473 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: UM researchers, though, performed biochemical studies on that fluid expelled 474 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: during orgasm that also do line up with those recent 475 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: findings from the French study, and the authors wrote, quote 476 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: the clear and abundant fluid that is ejected in Gush's parentheses, 477 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: squirting is different from real female ejaculation. And I gotta say, Caroline, 478 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: whenever I hear things like real female, like real this, 479 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: or real that it's like, well, okay, all right, tell 480 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: me more what is real what is not? Yeah, So 481 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: people are definitely working hard to distinguish the true, mysterious, 482 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: fascinating female ejaculation. They really want to pinpoint it. And 483 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: Old Beverly Whipple, the she the namer of the g spot, 484 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: told the publication New Scientists that she thinks that the discovery, 485 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: the quote unquote discovery means that female ejaculation should only 486 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: be used as a term to refer to the small 487 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: amount of fluid that is produced by those periorethal glands 488 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: in a woman and not squirting. Right, because in that 489 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven study they distinguished that quote real female 490 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: ejaculation as scanty, thick, and whitish fluid, whereas scoring a 491 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: lot of times is clear fluid. It does look aside 492 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: from not having a yellowish tent, it does look like 493 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: like clear urine. Yeah, And they're saying that true ejaculation 494 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: is from the female prostate and squirting is just fluid 495 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: from the bladder. And not surprisingly, though, this question of 496 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: whether there is a true ejaculation, whether there is really 497 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: a difference between squirting and female ejaculate, got a lot 498 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: of people talking um because, as Hayley McMillan pointed out 499 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: over at Refinery, this is a rather androcentric conversation because 500 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: what these scientists are looking for in terms of true 501 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: female ejaculation is the presence of things like the fructoes, 502 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: like that prostitate acid that you find in semen, which 503 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: is all find well and good. But at the same time, 504 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,959 Speaker 1: it's like, well, do we necessarily need to have a 505 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: tip fotat so to speak? Yeah, because she Yeah, she's 506 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,479 Speaker 1: basically saying that the way researchers are going about this 507 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: is trying to define true female ejaculation by the presence 508 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: of an enzyme that characterizes male ejaculation. And she says 509 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: it's it's part of the same movement to call the 510 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: clitter as a female penis, and that, hey, why can't 511 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: women have a thing that is of women? Why does 512 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: it have to be defined in terms of what is 513 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: male or not male? Yeah? And also when it comes 514 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: to a question of do women ejaculate, why not just 515 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: take women who experience this phenomenon at their word. This 516 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: was something written about in a column for The Guardian 517 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: by lux Alpatrom, who herself experiences ejaculation when she orgasms 518 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: sometimes not every time. Um. And that's the thing also 519 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: about it where it can be a bit elusive, because 520 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: if it happens once, it doesn't necessarily happen every time. Um. 521 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: But she wrote, quote female ejaculators, no, firsthand, even if 522 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: the flu would they emit during an orgasm comes from 523 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: the bladder, It looks, smells, and feels different from urine. 524 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: And also she goes on to say, regardless of the 525 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: biological basis of female ejaculation, the physical appearance is at 526 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 1: its heart a pure expression of female sexual pleasure. Yeah. 527 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: And this leads her to talk about the UK's ban 528 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: on squirting in porn, talking about how since porn is 529 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: this visual medium, if you're banning squirting, you are banning 530 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: a very female expression of not only orgasm, but just 531 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: of pleasure and sexual excitement. Yeah. And it's stigmatizing it 532 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: too as well. And there have been interview studies conducted 533 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: among women who ejaculate who report shame around ejaculate because 534 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: either their partners think that they're peeing on them and 535 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: don't appreciate it, or they think that they're incontinent and 536 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: feel embarrassed for that, And so for that reason they 537 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: don't seek out sexual pleasure for fear of doing it. 538 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: And it's this legal battle has not only taken place 539 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: so in the UK, there have also been obscenity cases 540 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: in the United States as well. And we found a 541 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: recent article published in the Texas Journal of Women in 542 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: the Law which has one of my favorite titles ever, 543 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: obscene squirting. If the government thinks it's urine, they've got 544 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 1: another thing coming. Yes. And the other points out though, 545 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 1: how men's ejaculation not considered obscene, which quote quote clearly 546 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: dehumanizes the female body in a hateful way. And there 547 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: was another quote that I wanted to pull from it, 548 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: um which said scientists and pornographers agree ejaculation is a 549 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: natural response to sexual stimulation. So yeah, I mean I 550 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: I definitely don't agree with it being banned in porn, 551 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: especially because when it comes to ejaculate and things that 552 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: are okay, there are still, uh, what would be considered 553 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: far more degrading acts that are fine to film when 554 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 1: it comes to how and where men can ejaculate, right, yeah, exactly. Um. 555 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: One thing we haven't brought up though, is like, okay, 556 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: so there is squirting, there is female ejaculation. People do 557 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: this people enjoy it. But then there was this writer 558 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: over at Feminist Thing that brought up the point, this 559 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: was back in two thousand nine, of like, well, yeah, 560 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: but I also don't like that men are basing their 561 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: idea of their own virility and masculinity around whether a 562 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: woman is squirting or not. Well, okay, so here's the 563 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: thing I was thinking about that, and um, I have 564 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: a feeling that, uh, it's it's only some men, and 565 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,760 Speaker 1: this probably goes for women who have sex with women 566 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: as well, where there's going to be a fascination with 567 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: the whole thing too, because I think the obsession with 568 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: it in a sexual sense is that it's quote unquote 569 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: legit proof that a female orgasm has happened, because you know, 570 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: men like have physical evidence of it, where as women 571 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: not so much. So that kind of obsession makes sense 572 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, but by the same token too, anecdotally, 573 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: I will say that I have known women who are 574 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: similarly proud of their ability to squirt as a display 575 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: of maybe not their virility, but their sexual prowess too. 576 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,959 Speaker 1: So it's it definitely adds an interesting performative element, let's say, 577 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: to sex. Yeah, and that writer the psychologist who was 578 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 1: writing over The Independent that we've cited a couple of times, 579 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,720 Speaker 1: basically closes out his article about that December French study 580 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: by saying, like, listen, this is an enriching part of 581 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people's sexual lives and relationships, and nobody's 582 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: getting hurt. You know, let's not make this a big 583 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: controversial issue. And some people do it, some people don't. 584 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: It's part of people's sexual lives. Let's not get all 585 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: up in arms about it. Yeah, And I mean, it's 586 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:03,240 Speaker 1: just it's so fascinating to me this scientific debate persists. 587 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: Like the French study, I don't think really settled anything. 588 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone was really fully satisfied with those results. 589 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: But I don't know at this point what will satisfy it. 590 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: What will satisfy me is if like women or anyone 591 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: who has a vagina who ejaculates, like, Okay, that's fine, 592 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: that's cool, Like that's part of your sexual response, no 593 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: need for to be ashamed by it. Embrace it, you 594 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: do you that's cool. Which might sound pretty lack of daysical, 595 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: but we're pretty lack of daysical when it comes to 596 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: men ejaculating. You know, I think if anything What should 597 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: be settled is the stigma that some and shame that 598 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 1: some feel about it. Um yeah, whether whether you're being 599 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: made to feel shamed for doing it or for not 600 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: doing it exactly. Yeah, I mean because of the interesting 601 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: thing we The one statistic we didn't cite was that, 602 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: at least in Australia, we don't have US statistics, but 603 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: it's the third most popular porn search. So people are 604 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 1: clearly intrigued by this thing, this capacity some people have. 605 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: Um yeah, I think it's I just want to hear 606 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: from listeners now, listeners, can you settle this great squirting 607 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: debate for us? Has it influenced your sex life? At all? 608 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 1: Moms Stuff at how stuffworks dot com is our email address. 609 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: You can also tweet us if you want, at mom 610 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: Stuff podcast or messages on Facebook. And we've got a 611 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: couple of letters to read do you that have nothing 612 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 1: to do with ejaculation right now. 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