WEBVTT - Democratic Dissent 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.520 Good morning, Keeps, and welcome to wikate F Daily with 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.800 me your Girl, Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks, 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.440 I want to talk about before we jump into our 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:26.200 conversation with our friend Jonathan Metzel, just recent polls that 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:31.920 have come out and this idea that there is growing 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:37.520 descent inside of the Democratic tent. And what I want 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.680 to say is that I get it right. I'm the 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.680 first person to say on a regular basis that Joe 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:49.240 Biden is really ruining his chances of re election because 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:55.760 of his staunch, quote unquote ironclad support of Netanyahu's genocide. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.480 And what we are seeing take place around the world 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:05.840 are countries that are recognizing, one by one Palestine as 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:11.200 an independent state, with three this week, Norway, Spain, and 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:16.520 Ireland in a United press conference recognizing Palestine as a state. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.840 There are now one hundred and forty two of the 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:23.919 one hundred and ninety two countries inside of the UN 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.480 that are making this decision, and the United States is 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:32.600 becoming increasingly isolated in this area. And while I'm looking 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.080 at these numbers, and I'm looking at the fact that 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:40.200 these countries have been changing their position right when they 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:44.360 are polling on this issue, people are changing their position 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.960 to where you know, prior to October seventh, but prior 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:53.440 to nearly forty thousand depths in Palestine, you know, people 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.200 were this was not top of mind and top of conversation. 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.800 Now the situation has drastically changed. And the more death 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.400 and the more feminine, the more despair that we are 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:08.560 seeing play out on our screens, the more that other 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.760 countries outside of the United States are putting a stake 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.000 in the ground. And I'm wondering where the United States 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.600 is going to be left right if they are standing 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:23.800 alone next to Israel, right, And this is something that 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.560 this president is going to really need to take into consideration, 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:33.920 you know, moving outside of our foreign affairs, massive like 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:38.040 fucking disaster. I want to take a look at where 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.520 the polls are and we'll dig into this with Jonathan 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:44.840 with a recent Vanderbilt pole, where people are in terms 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:49.040 of their stances on abortion, particularly in these redder states 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:53.360 like Tennessee where Vanderbilt University is. And what we are 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:56.320 seeing is that since the overturning of Roe v. Wade, 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:00.000 since the Dobbs decision, that people that were readily referred 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:04.560 to themselves as pro life quote unquote are now pro 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:09.520 choice right because what they believe in what we are 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:13.440 seeing with every single headline that now is not just 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:17.840 sufficient that we have overturned abortion rights in twenty states 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:22.320 in this country, but that you see governors like Virginia's 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:27.160 Glenn Youngkin who is not trying to have people have 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:31.880 access to contraception, and you see signals coming from MAGA 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:35.320 that contraception is next. And I just want folks to 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.440 think about, just think for a fucking moment, what this 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:42.440 country will look like if women and people with uteruses 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:46.840 no longer have access to contraception right, if the birth 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:51.640 control after pill like condoms, all of these things are 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.960 just readily off the market and unavailable and become illegal 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.160 in this country, what will happen to the prospects in 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:04.400 the future of women. So go back to the fucking, 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.920 you know, nineteenth century where Republicans are looking for legislation 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.320 to uphold their draconian policies, because that's what the fuck 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.800 it will look like. And again for folks to say, well, 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.680 that can't happen. So I'm gonna, you know, move with 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:22.280 my protest vote come November. Think fucking again, because after 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.440 fifty years of access to abortion. We never thought that 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.320 that would be overturned in our lifetimes, and yet here 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:32.200 we sit. So just as you think that things can't 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.720 get any worse, I want to promise you they fucking will. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.240 Coming up next my conversation with our friend, our in 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:45.800 house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks, you know that whenever 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.479 we have the opportunity to speak with our in house doctor, 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.039 doctor Jonathan metzil, we are always thrilled. And Jonathan, you 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.880 have some news and updates for us, so please share. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.960 Well, Hey, everybody, I've been I've been really burning it 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.920 last couple of weeks. I'm just back from DC. I 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.080 was at a conference. You and I have talked about 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.480 this a little bit, but I coined this term structural competency, 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.960 which I developed with some other people to look at 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:17.120 how you can engage anti racist health education, not just 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.799 about like changing people's identities or attitudes, but actually changing 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:25.560 the structures that promote inequity. And it turned out that 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.280 was just a term that I came up with at 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.520 the end of my Protest Psychosis book, and then a 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:33.280 bunch of scholars and I developed some papers and we 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.720 found out that it's now going to be a requisite 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.679 part of training for all medical students in the United 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.919 States that actually this has been picked up by the 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.359 Crediting Board, and so we had a meeting right now. 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.200 This has obviously been in the works for a couple 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.680 of years, but what does it mean to train all 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.360 medical students? In other words, if you think of all 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:58.359 medical students graduating, and there's caveats from history, you know 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.839 where culture competency was this big thing, and then when 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:04.800 it became something that everybody had to do, it just 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:08.000 became like a checkbox thing that you just did to 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:09.040 fill out the paperwork. 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:10.120 And so we had this. 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.360 Meeting to kind of figure out why, you know, what's 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:18.280 the state of social justice and medicine and equity in 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:19.159 this moment. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.440 And I'll be keeping people updated. 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.280 On that, and so lots going on because of course 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:27.840 it's also a serious moment because of the Supreme Court 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:31.040 affirmative action decisions and what would happen to education if 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:32.839 Trump won and all these kind of things, and so 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.880 a lot of ballancing about how to further those things. 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.640 And then next week I will say hi to everybody 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:40.840 from Hawaii if anybody wants. 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:41.120 To join me. 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:42.200 The very tough place. 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:44.280 You know, It's funny. 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.320 I read the reservation, I'm like at the plannerser raised, 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.240 I'm like you, And then I was looking at my 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:50.279 itinery yesterday. 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.360 You know how long it takes to get to Hawaii. 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:54.960 From New York, like seven hours? 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.800 It's eleven hour flight. Uh, you know why? 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:00.640 I really did not know that I've ever been, so 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:01.080 I had. 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.520 No idea, and maybe I picked the slow flight that 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.320 like goes, do you have a connection. No, it's straight flight. 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.320 I don't think they are in the carpool lane maybe 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.400 or something. I don't know, Oh my god. But yeah, 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.360 so it's eleven hour lifting flight. But then you layand 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.520 and it's like, hey, here's your you know why tie 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.480 and all this stuff. But I'm going for that. I mean, 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:22.960 let's be out someone. But I'm also going because the 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:27.560 national it's called the ENCORE Conference, the Conference for Diversity Educators, 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.360 is now and this is again the last of these 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.080 meetings before the twenty four election. And so the question 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.960 is what kind of mobilization do we want to do, 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.880 what's the state of equity education? And what would happen 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:43.920 if Trump won? It would be dramatic effects to things 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:48.240 like accrediting boards and things like that, and so a 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:52.400 lot coming from me about the state of equity, education 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.120 and politics and how we can kind of get involved 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:59.040 and think about things going up to November. 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:04.120 Awesome, awesome, so well, exciting, all those exciting things, and 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.600 you will keep us posted and let us know how 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:08.680 that conference goes and we can talk about some of 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:13.920 the outcomes from there as we close out one semester 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.600 in school year and begin another in just a handful 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.640 of months, and what that means for the upcoming election. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.280 One of the things that I want to turn turn 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:29.600 the attention to, even though folks know that when I 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.000 discuss polls, I want people to take them with a 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.480 grain of salt, But there are sometimes polls that come 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.520 out that I think offer us a better window into 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:43.000 how the climate, how the culture is actually moving. And 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.840 one of those polls, Jonathan, you brought my attention to 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:51.479 that comes out of your university, the Vanderbilt Pole majority 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:56.880 of Tennessee voters now pro choice, gender gap developing on 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.920 key issues, and I just to read a couple of 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.320 these stats and then we can we can jump in. 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.760 So about a little over a thousand people were polled 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.800 for this and this is what came out of this poll. 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:17.200 Some of the top top high highlighted points. One, the 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:22.200 majority of Tennessee registered voters consider themselves definitely or somewhat 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:26.920 pro choice, including ninety three percent of Democrats, fifty four 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:31.000 percent of Independence and thirty percent of non MGA Republicans. 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.000 There is a vast differing of attitudes between men and 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:39.080 women on key state issues that they're saying could prove 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:44.640 influential on public policy. IVF and proposed gun control legislation 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:49.800 have bipartisan approval, and sixty percent of Tennessee voters favor 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:55.960 legalizing marijuana for recreational use. So let's dive into I 0:09:56.000 --> 0:10:01.360 think what is the most interesting, which is the abortion 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.400 piece as well as the gun piece, right, because when 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.240 we think about Tennessee, we do not think of it 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:13.640 as a bastion for progressivism, right, and particularly since what 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.760 has happened. Oh my god, Jonathan has been it's over 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.320 a year since the shooting at the religious school. 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.040 Yeah, it's a little it's about fourteen months style, yeah. 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.400 Yeah, So about fourteen months since that shooting, we have 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:31.599 seen marches on the state capitol. We have seen the 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:38.400 two justices in the State House have to fight for 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.520 their right to represent their constituents, and special elections have 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:46.400 been censured. We've seen mothers thrown out of the gallery. 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.840 But this poll seems to be giving us a different 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:54.000 window and picture into how things have been moving since 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:57.880 this Republican controlled legislature has basically bucked the will of 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:01.160 the people. Were you surprised by some of the things 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:04.360 that you were seeing in this poll come out? And 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.559 what trends do you see as we go forward across 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:08.120 the country. 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:09.240 Well, it's great. 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.560 My colleagues and political science do this poll regularly, and 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.920 so it's kind of a barometer, especially of attitudes in Tennessee. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.800 And I think there are several important things to note. First, 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.520 it is surprising how many people identify as pro choice 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:29.840 even now, even after all this, you know, it's surprising 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.840 that that is something that I think Democrats have rightly illustrated. 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.920 In other words, if the election was held which Democrats 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:40.040 wanted to be on women's reproductive choice, Democrats would win. 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.200 And that's why you hear Kamala Harris and other people 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:47.520 talking about this, because it's just something that people have 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.880 accepted as a woman's choice, and that's been the law 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.880 for quite a long time in this country, and I 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.760 think in Tennessee, people are wary of a right being 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:00.719 taken away, and so I think that you know, when 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.280 you hear Democrats repeatedly go back to this, and I've 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:07.240 seen some commentators here talking about, you know, why did 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.160 Democrats keep talking about it? I'm like, dude, this is 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.480 why keep talking about it is because actually it's something 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.320 that people feel. It's something feel is pretty strongly. So 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.520 that's part part of what I think we saw. The 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.920 other thing is there's been a concerted move in red 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:28.400 state Tennessee, especially after the Commonwealth shooting. We've got we've 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:33.040 got candidates running for state house. The mom of the 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.840 one of the victims of the waffle house shooting, Shandel Brooks, 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.760 is running for a state house Covenant moms are running 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.520 for state house. And so that shooting really, I think 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:47.960 mobilized really a new kind of gun safety mobilization in 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.360 what had been a relatively dormant issue. 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:53.559 And I think that's important. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.640 As I've said many times in our conversations, I think 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.240 that the answer to the gun issue is going to 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.360 come through red state. It's not like blue states. We're 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.200 not going to take blue state laws and just apply 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.160 them to red states. Used to think that, but I 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.480 don't believe that anymore. So that's the positive is there's 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.440 a lot of mobilization going on. I think the three 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.920 caveats that are big national caveats for. 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:15.680 People to worry about. 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.560 Number one is just because somebody says something on a 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.520 pole doesn't mean they're going to vote for it as 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.280 a wedge issue. And that's the trap that I think 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.680 we fall into. A lot, like eighty five percent of 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.920 people have always supported background checks, for example, but that 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.920 doesn't mean if somebody doesn't support it as a candidate, 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.480 they're going to vote that person out of office. And 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.600 so part of the trick is how can you create 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:41.840 this into a wedge issue which is not the same 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:43.960 as supporting it in a poll. So that's very important 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:44.439 Number one. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:45.959 Important. 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.280 Number two is a lot of these things are wedge 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:54.000 issues for Republicans but not for Democrats. And so, for example, 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:57.880 overwhelmingly Republicans will vote on gun issues, but Democrats, you know, 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:02.080 you ask them what's your key voting issue, and it'll 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:05.599 give you twenty different answers. As it's harder to mobilize 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.320 around these kind of polls. When I see Republicans all 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.200 support something, I get much more concerned because it's like, man, 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:12.080 we're in trouble. 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:13.480 And then the third is. 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:19.280 The Republicans have created a system that's immune to popular opinion. 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:21.920 So one hundred percent of people could support a lot 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.880 of these things, and yet because of the super majority 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.640 jerimandering that's happened over the past couple of decades, which 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:31.640 we're just now beginning to ship way up, but it 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.720 took them fifty years to get there. One hundred people, 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.040 one hundred percent of people could support something, and it 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.200 doesn't mean anybody is going to lose the election. And 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.640 so to me, those are the meta points. I'm happy 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.760 to dig down into the specific gun points, which I 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:46.680 think are pretty interesting, but I think those are the 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:47.840 big metapoints. 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.520 You know, I want to talk about the mobilization of 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:56.680 a new kind of group of candidates. Right when you're 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:02.200 talking about the Covenant moms, the moms of those students 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:06.120 who were either killed or affected right by a school 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.200 shooting happening there, as well as the waffle house, which 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:14.800 you cover in your new book, What We've Become. I wonder, again, 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.400 just digging into kind of the gender divide right and 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.880 this idea that you have two issues that I think 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:26.600 are really important issues to women and two progressives, which 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:30.640 is abortion, access to abortion and gun safety. And when 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.480 we look at abortion, I think that what's most surprising 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.960 to me is that I believe that Republicans thought that 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.680 they will have a slam dung in terms of overturning 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.360 Roe v. Wade, and then everyone just kind of going 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:47.000 quietly into the night when if people were saying, because 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.160 what they've said in this poll, they were pro life 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:55.160 until the Dobs decision was overturned, and now they're pro choice. 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.760 So I'm curious as to I'm going to use a 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.280 word that is the all always used in the negative, 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.800 but I actually think that we need to reclaim it. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:06.000 What is it? 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:11.360 Okay, you're going to say, you're going to say diversity. 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:17.360 No, that diversity. I was going to say, what is it? 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.200 It's going to be something about the alliance that keeps 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:20.880 us all together? 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:26.640 No, I'm going to go with radicalization. And I think, 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:33.040 yeah that I think that, you know, the more that 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:38.640 these school shootings happen in communities that think that they 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.800 are insulated or protected from these types of shootings, which 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.640 we've seen more and more happen in suburbs. I believe 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.320 that this Covenant School was one of the first religious 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.880 schools that we've seen it happen, although we've seen shootings 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:54.600 at synagogues and at churches and this abortion issue. I'm 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:58.680 just curious for you because again, we saw mothers be 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.600 thrown out of the state House for holding up a sign, 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:05.159 right for doing things like that. So what do you 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:09.160 make of this kind of this radicalization that I think 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:14.240 is happening with more women seeking to run for public 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:19.760 office and more women essentially on the front lines, which 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.400 they largely have been. But I'm specifically kind of talking 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.840 about white women here. Black women have always been on 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.800 the front lines of marches in protests, but you're seeing 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:32.000 it happen now with white women who have largely aligned 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.080 themselves with the Republican Party. 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:40.240 Well, we'll have to see how it matters electorally. And 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.879 so I think what we're seeing is an important movement, 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:46.560 right And the question is, when you use the term 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:51.640 radical is the radicalization that that they are switching parties? 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.720 Is it that they are rethinking things? I mean, I'll 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.240 tell you that from the it seems pretty obvious just 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:01.439 take five minutes on social media. The Republican strategy is 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.960 to make Dobbs old news, to say, oh, yeah, that's 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:05.960 the latest. Thank people are tired of that. We're seeing 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.680 in some elections, some of the elections that were yesterday 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.680 as we record this, that some people who were totally 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:17.639 totally pro choice didn't win just based on that issue 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:22.040 in places like Oregon and other places and so. But 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.359 the other thing is what's coming next. So the question 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.760 is we'll be able to mobilize people on November or 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.719 will there be many other issues which are you know, 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:32.600 look over here, look over here, look over here, or 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:36.280 will we be united? Now I can say that I've 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:40.240 interviewed Republicans for a long time and they were unbelievably 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:44.720 united about pro life. Like I mean, I would interview 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:46.920 people on the ground in the middle of nowhere who 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:51.240 like that was their voting issue. And Democrats need their 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.320 voters to just vote on this issue and not based 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:58.320 on divisions about about Gaza for example, or not divisions thinks. 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.040 So the question is the question here is will the 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.240 Democrats will be able to mobilize a coalition that will 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.080 vote on this as a wedge issue? 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.520 In light of all the other issues. 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:12.199 About Gaza, about policing, about capitalism, about all these kind 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:14.919 of things. If that's the case, Democrats win. And I 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:16.679 think the stakes are pretty darn high for a lot 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.320 of reasons. I mean, Trump, you know, the guy who 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:25.080 had the first Reichick advertisement the other day, has said 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.239 in an interview kind of hinted that that regulations are 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.920 coming for contraception for IVF obviously, and all these things. 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.000 So Dobbs is just the beginning of what could happen 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:39.080 under Alito and Thomas and and in the Supreme Court. 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.680 And so the question really that I have for you 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.240 is will the Democrats be able to unify and mobilize 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:49.119 Because polls like Tennessee show a possible way forward. They 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.240 actually don't show it for guns, right, if you dig 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:55.120 down into that data. For guns, it's really divided about stuff, 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:59.680 except for as always, should mentally ill people be full taxes? Guy, 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:02.280 That's always the thing that people always agree on. But 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.560 they're divided about guns. For teachers, they're divided about I think. 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.080 They're also divided on what constitutes of mental illness. 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.040 Yeah, yeah, for sure. But I'm saying, like, for me, 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.600 the gun, the gun the gun. Honestly, looking at the 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:17.240 date of the gun the gun answer was not super surprising, 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:19.760 except that I know that they're different. There are different 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.840 political agendas right now, and I think if depending on 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:26.840 how the election turns out and who shows up, that issue. 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:27.840 Could potentially shift. 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.240 You'd never know if if the minute Republicans start losing 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.240 on an issue in a gerimander area, that's when all 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:37.200 of a sudden you'll see the change. But I think, really, 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:39.840 I think that the Democrats and best bad is mobilizing 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:44.080 around the really justifiable real fear. I mean, Trump is 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:47.000 looking at the birth control pill and looking at obviously 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.199 IVF for that was not a mistake, and things like that. 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:49.560 And so. 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:54.160 I guess the question I have for you is knowing 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.680 everything you know and thinking about this tennessee pull as 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.800 one example of why that might be this strategy, But 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:03.480 there are many other strategies, some of which are exactly 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:09.080 against unifying Democrats across ideology, and I think a lot 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.800 of people that I know can't decide whether they want 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:15.080 to support the Democrats or quote unquote burn the Democrats down. 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:19.400 Under the fantasy that a more leftist, radical Democratic party 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:21.600 would emerge in its stead and so I guess the 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:23.399 question is do you see this as an issue that 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:27.480 Democrats could mobilize around in a coherent way that would 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:28.240 sway the election. 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.479 I think that Democrats need to get over the idea 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.560 that they need to one hundred percent love or support 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:39.200 all of the things that a candidate supports. I think 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.440 that we need to move away from this idea that 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:47.639 if I am aligned with Biden on democracy, on abortion, 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:52.880 that like, because I am not aligned with him as 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:57.480 it pertains to Gaza, and you know, and let's say 0:21:57.520 --> 0:21:59.760 the economy, then that means I'm not going to vote 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.240 for him. But I think that folks need to start 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:06.200 to understand that where we are is do we want 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:09.959 the opportunity to continue to protest and fight for a 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:12.160 better country or do we want that to be one 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.000 of the less rights that are taken away? Right? Because 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:19.040 I can continue, I would be happy, right if folks 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:21.520 are like, well, you know, I swallow the pill and 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.000 I vote for Biden, but we're getting out and protesting, 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:26.920 you know, the inauguration, go with God. I'll be on 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:30.280 the front lines with you to protest at inauguration. If 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:33.760 in fact, the inauguration is for Joe Biden. But what 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:35.760 folks need to I think that they need to wrap 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:38.040 their minds around is that we're never going to align 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:41.520 one hundred percent of the time on all of the issues. 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:44.600 But are we willing to give up our democracy? Right? 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:48.320 And in with this with the fantasy that not voting 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:50.600 for Joe Biden is going to be the thumb in 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.320 the face to the Democratic Party as opposed to the 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:56.520 end of our democracy. So I think that, like, these 0:22:56.560 --> 0:23:00.159 are real things that that are happening. I think that 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:04.400 with this poll, the Biden administration does have the opportunity 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:07.520 to kind of rally around this idea, which I think 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:09.560 that they're doing. The place that I do believe that 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:12.639