Speaker 1: Good morning, Keeps, and welcome to wikate F Daily with
Speaker 1: me your Girl, Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about before we jump into our
Speaker 1: conversation with our friend Jonathan Metzel, just recent polls that
Speaker 1: have come out and this idea that there is growing
Speaker 1: descent inside of the Democratic tent. And what I want
Speaker 1: to say is that I get it right. I'm the
Speaker 1: first person to say on a regular basis that Joe
Speaker 1: Biden is really ruining his chances of re election because
Speaker 1: of his staunch, quote unquote ironclad support of Netanyahu's genocide.
Speaker 1: And what we are seeing take place around the world
Speaker 1: are countries that are recognizing, one by one Palestine as
Speaker 1: an independent state, with three this week, Norway, Spain, and
Speaker 1: Ireland in a United press conference recognizing Palestine as a state.
Speaker 1: There are now one hundred and forty two of the
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety two countries inside of the UN
Speaker 1: that are making this decision, and the United States is
Speaker 1: becoming increasingly isolated in this area. And while I'm looking
Speaker 1: at these numbers, and I'm looking at the fact that
Speaker 1: these countries have been changing their position right when they
Speaker 1: are polling on this issue, people are changing their position
Speaker 1: to where you know, prior to October seventh, but prior
Speaker 1: to nearly forty thousand depths in Palestine, you know, people
Speaker 1: were this was not top of mind and top of conversation.
Speaker 1: Now the situation has drastically changed. And the more death
Speaker 1: and the more feminine, the more despair that we are
Speaker 1: seeing play out on our screens, the more that other
Speaker 1: countries outside of the United States are putting a stake
Speaker 1: in the ground. And I'm wondering where the United States
Speaker 1: is going to be left right if they are standing
Speaker 1: alone next to Israel, right, And this is something that
Speaker 1: this president is going to really need to take into consideration,
Speaker 1: you know, moving outside of our foreign affairs, massive like
Speaker 1: fucking disaster. I want to take a look at where
Speaker 1: the polls are and we'll dig into this with Jonathan
Speaker 1: with a recent Vanderbilt pole, where people are in terms
Speaker 1: of their stances on abortion, particularly in these redder states
Speaker 1: like Tennessee where Vanderbilt University is. And what we are
Speaker 1: seeing is that since the overturning of Roe v. Wade,
Speaker 1: since the Dobbs decision, that people that were readily referred
Speaker 1: to themselves as pro life quote unquote are now pro
Speaker 1: choice right because what they believe in what we are
Speaker 1: seeing with every single headline that now is not just
Speaker 1: sufficient that we have overturned abortion rights in twenty states
Speaker 1: in this country, but that you see governors like Virginia's
Speaker 1: Glenn Youngkin who is not trying to have people have
Speaker 1: access to contraception, and you see signals coming from MAGA
Speaker 1: that contraception is next. And I just want folks to
Speaker 1: think about, just think for a fucking moment, what this
Speaker 1: country will look like if women and people with uteruses
Speaker 1: no longer have access to contraception right, if the birth
Speaker 1: control after pill like condoms, all of these things are
Speaker 1: just readily off the market and unavailable and become illegal
Speaker 1: in this country, what will happen to the prospects in
Speaker 1: the future of women. So go back to the fucking,
Speaker 1: you know, nineteenth century where Republicans are looking for legislation
Speaker 1: to uphold their draconian policies, because that's what the fuck
Speaker 1: it will look like. And again for folks to say, well,
Speaker 1: that can't happen. So I'm gonna, you know, move with
Speaker 1: my protest vote come November. Think fucking again, because after
Speaker 1: fifty years of access to abortion. We never thought that
Speaker 1: that would be overturned in our lifetimes, and yet here
Speaker 1: we sit. So just as you think that things can't
Speaker 1: get any worse, I want to promise you they fucking will.
Speaker 1: Coming up next my conversation with our friend, our in
Speaker 1: house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks, you know that whenever
Speaker 1: we have the opportunity to speak with our in house doctor,
Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan metzil, we are always thrilled. And Jonathan, you
Speaker 1: have some news and updates for us, so please share.
Speaker 2: Well, Hey, everybody, I've been I've been really burning it
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. I'm just back from DC. I
Speaker 2: was at a conference. You and I have talked about
Speaker 2: this a little bit, but I coined this term structural competency,
Speaker 2: which I developed with some other people to look at
Speaker 2: how you can engage anti racist health education, not just
Speaker 2: about like changing people's identities or attitudes, but actually changing
Speaker 2: the structures that promote inequity. And it turned out that
Speaker 2: was just a term that I came up with at
Speaker 2: the end of my Protest Psychosis book, and then a
Speaker 2: bunch of scholars and I developed some papers and we
Speaker 2: found out that it's now going to be a requisite
Speaker 2: part of training for all medical students in the United
Speaker 2: States that actually this has been picked up by the
Speaker 2: Crediting Board, and so we had a meeting right now.
Speaker 2: This has obviously been in the works for a couple
Speaker 2: of years, but what does it mean to train all
Speaker 2: medical students? In other words, if you think of all
Speaker 2: medical students graduating, and there's caveats from history, you know
Speaker 2: where culture competency was this big thing, and then when
Speaker 2: it became something that everybody had to do, it just
Speaker 2: became like a checkbox thing that you just did to
Speaker 2: fill out the paperwork.
Speaker 3: And so we had this.
Speaker 2: Meeting to kind of figure out why, you know, what's
Speaker 2: the state of social justice and medicine and equity in
Speaker 2: this moment.
Speaker 3: And I'll be keeping people updated.
Speaker 2: On that, and so lots going on because of course
Speaker 2: it's also a serious moment because of the Supreme Court
Speaker 2: affirmative action decisions and what would happen to education if
Speaker 2: Trump won and all these kind of things, and so
Speaker 2: a lot of ballancing about how to further those things.
Speaker 2: And then next week I will say hi to everybody
Speaker 2: from Hawaii if anybody wants.
Speaker 3: To join me.
Speaker 1: The very tough place.
Speaker 3: You know, It's funny.
Speaker 2: I read the reservation, I'm like at the plannerser raised,
Speaker 2: I'm like you, And then I was looking at my
Speaker 2: itinery yesterday.
Speaker 3: You know how long it takes to get to Hawaii.
Speaker 1: From New York, like seven hours?
Speaker 3: It's eleven hour flight. Uh, you know why?
Speaker 1: I really did not know that I've ever been, so
Speaker 1: I had.
Speaker 2: No idea, and maybe I picked the slow flight that
Speaker 2: like goes, do you have a connection. No, it's straight flight.
Speaker 2: I don't think they are in the carpool lane maybe
Speaker 2: or something. I don't know, Oh my god. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's eleven hour lifting flight. But then you layand
Speaker 2: and it's like, hey, here's your you know why tie
Speaker 2: and all this stuff. But I'm going for that. I mean,
Speaker 2: let's be out someone. But I'm also going because the
Speaker 2: national it's called the ENCORE Conference, the Conference for Diversity Educators,
Speaker 2: is now and this is again the last of these
Speaker 2: meetings before the twenty four election. And so the question
Speaker 2: is what kind of mobilization do we want to do,
Speaker 2: what's the state of equity education? And what would happen
Speaker 2: if Trump won? It would be dramatic effects to things
Speaker 2: like accrediting boards and things like that, and so a
Speaker 2: lot coming from me about the state of equity, education
Speaker 2: and politics and how we can kind of get involved
Speaker 2: and think about things going up to November.
Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome, so well, exciting, all those exciting things, and
Speaker 1: you will keep us posted and let us know how
Speaker 1: that conference goes and we can talk about some of
Speaker 1: the outcomes from there as we close out one semester
Speaker 1: in school year and begin another in just a handful
Speaker 1: of months, and what that means for the upcoming election.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I want to turn turn
Speaker 1: the attention to, even though folks know that when I
Speaker 1: discuss polls, I want people to take them with a
Speaker 1: grain of salt, But there are sometimes polls that come
Speaker 1: out that I think offer us a better window into
Speaker 1: how the climate, how the culture is actually moving. And
Speaker 1: one of those polls, Jonathan, you brought my attention to
Speaker 1: that comes out of your university, the Vanderbilt Pole majority
Speaker 1: of Tennessee voters now pro choice, gender gap developing on
Speaker 1: key issues, and I just to read a couple of
Speaker 1: these stats and then we can we can jump in.
Speaker 1: So about a little over a thousand people were polled
Speaker 1: for this and this is what came out of this poll.
Speaker 1: Some of the top top high highlighted points. One, the
Speaker 1: majority of Tennessee registered voters consider themselves definitely or somewhat
Speaker 1: pro choice, including ninety three percent of Democrats, fifty four
Speaker 1: percent of Independence and thirty percent of non MGA Republicans.
Speaker 1: There is a vast differing of attitudes between men and
Speaker 1: women on key state issues that they're saying could prove
Speaker 1: influential on public policy. IVF and proposed gun control legislation
Speaker 1: have bipartisan approval, and sixty percent of Tennessee voters favor
Speaker 1: legalizing marijuana for recreational use. So let's dive into I
Speaker 1: think what is the most interesting, which is the abortion
Speaker 1: piece as well as the gun piece, right, because when
Speaker 1: we think about Tennessee, we do not think of it
Speaker 1: as a bastion for progressivism, right, and particularly since what
Speaker 1: has happened. Oh my god, Jonathan has been it's over
Speaker 1: a year since the shooting at the religious school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little it's about fourteen months style, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So about fourteen months since that shooting, we have
Speaker 1: seen marches on the state capitol. We have seen the
Speaker 1: two justices in the State House have to fight for
Speaker 1: their right to represent their constituents, and special elections have
Speaker 1: been censured. We've seen mothers thrown out of the gallery.
Speaker 1: But this poll seems to be giving us a different
Speaker 1: window and picture into how things have been moving since
Speaker 1: this Republican controlled legislature has basically bucked the will of
Speaker 1: the people. Were you surprised by some of the things
Speaker 1: that you were seeing in this poll come out? And
Speaker 1: what trends do you see as we go forward across
Speaker 1: the country.
Speaker 3: Well, it's great.
Speaker 2: My colleagues and political science do this poll regularly, and
Speaker 2: so it's kind of a barometer, especially of attitudes in Tennessee.
Speaker 2: And I think there are several important things to note. First,
Speaker 2: it is surprising how many people identify as pro choice
Speaker 2: even now, even after all this, you know, it's surprising
Speaker 2: that that is something that I think Democrats have rightly illustrated.
Speaker 2: In other words, if the election was held which Democrats
Speaker 2: wanted to be on women's reproductive choice, Democrats would win.
Speaker 2: And that's why you hear Kamala Harris and other people
Speaker 2: talking about this, because it's just something that people have
Speaker 2: accepted as a woman's choice, and that's been the law
Speaker 2: for quite a long time in this country, and I
Speaker 2: think in Tennessee, people are wary of a right being
Speaker 2: taken away, and so I think that you know, when
Speaker 2: you hear Democrats repeatedly go back to this, and I've
Speaker 2: seen some commentators here talking about, you know, why did
Speaker 2: Democrats keep talking about it? I'm like, dude, this is
Speaker 2: why keep talking about it is because actually it's something
Speaker 2: that people feel. It's something feel is pretty strongly. So
Speaker 2: that's part part of what I think we saw. The
Speaker 2: other thing is there's been a concerted move in red
Speaker 2: state Tennessee, especially after the Commonwealth shooting. We've got we've
Speaker 2: got candidates running for state house. The mom of the
Speaker 2: one of the victims of the waffle house shooting, Shandel Brooks,
Speaker 2: is running for a state house Covenant moms are running
Speaker 2: for state house. And so that shooting really, I think
Speaker 2: mobilized really a new kind of gun safety mobilization in
Speaker 2: what had been a relatively dormant issue.
Speaker 3: And I think that's important.
Speaker 2: As I've said many times in our conversations, I think
Speaker 2: that the answer to the gun issue is going to
Speaker 2: come through red state. It's not like blue states. We're
Speaker 2: not going to take blue state laws and just apply
Speaker 2: them to red states. Used to think that, but I
Speaker 2: don't believe that anymore. So that's the positive is there's
Speaker 2: a lot of mobilization going on. I think the three
Speaker 2: caveats that are big national caveats for.
Speaker 3: People to worry about.
Speaker 2: Number one is just because somebody says something on a
Speaker 2: pole doesn't mean they're going to vote for it as
Speaker 2: a wedge issue. And that's the trap that I think
Speaker 2: we fall into. A lot, like eighty five percent of
Speaker 2: people have always supported background checks, for example, but that
Speaker 2: doesn't mean if somebody doesn't support it as a candidate,
Speaker 2: they're going to vote that person out of office. And
Speaker 2: so part of the trick is how can you create
Speaker 2: this into a wedge issue which is not the same
Speaker 2: as supporting it in a poll. So that's very important
Speaker 2: Number one.
Speaker 3: Important.
Speaker 2: Number two is a lot of these things are wedge
Speaker 2: issues for Republicans but not for Democrats. And so, for example,
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly Republicans will vote on gun issues, but Democrats, you know,
Speaker 2: you ask them what's your key voting issue, and it'll
Speaker 2: give you twenty different answers. As it's harder to mobilize
Speaker 2: around these kind of polls. When I see Republicans all
Speaker 2: support something, I get much more concerned because it's like, man,
Speaker 2: we're in trouble.
Speaker 3: And then the third is.
Speaker 2: The Republicans have created a system that's immune to popular opinion.
Speaker 2: So one hundred percent of people could support a lot
Speaker 2: of these things, and yet because of the super majority
Speaker 2: jerimandering that's happened over the past couple of decades, which
Speaker 2: we're just now beginning to ship way up, but it
Speaker 2: took them fifty years to get there. One hundred people,
Speaker 2: one hundred percent of people could support something, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't mean anybody is going to lose the election. And
Speaker 2: so to me, those are the meta points. I'm happy
Speaker 2: to dig down into the specific gun points, which I
Speaker 2: think are pretty interesting, but I think those are the
Speaker 2: big metapoints.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to talk about the mobilization of
Speaker 1: a new kind of group of candidates. Right when you're
Speaker 1: talking about the Covenant moms, the moms of those students
Speaker 1: who were either killed or affected right by a school
Speaker 1: shooting happening there, as well as the waffle house, which
Speaker 1: you cover in your new book, What We've Become. I wonder, again,
Speaker 1: just digging into kind of the gender divide right and
Speaker 1: this idea that you have two issues that I think
Speaker 1: are really important issues to women and two progressives, which
Speaker 1: is abortion, access to abortion and gun safety. And when
Speaker 1: we look at abortion, I think that what's most surprising
Speaker 1: to me is that I believe that Republicans thought that
Speaker 1: they will have a slam dung in terms of overturning
Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade, and then everyone just kind of going
Speaker 1: quietly into the night when if people were saying, because
Speaker 1: what they've said in this poll, they were pro life
Speaker 1: until the Dobs decision was overturned, and now they're pro choice.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious as to I'm going to use a
Speaker 1: word that is the all always used in the negative,
Speaker 1: but I actually think that we need to reclaim it.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 2: Okay, you're going to say, you're going to say diversity.
Speaker 1: No, that diversity. I was going to say, what is it?
Speaker 2: It's going to be something about the alliance that keeps
Speaker 2: us all together?
Speaker 1: No, I'm going to go with radicalization. And I think,
Speaker 1: yeah that I think that, you know, the more that
Speaker 1: these school shootings happen in communities that think that they
Speaker 1: are insulated or protected from these types of shootings, which
Speaker 1: we've seen more and more happen in suburbs. I believe
Speaker 1: that this Covenant School was one of the first religious
Speaker 1: schools that we've seen it happen, although we've seen shootings
Speaker 1: at synagogues and at churches and this abortion issue. I'm
Speaker 1: just curious for you because again, we saw mothers be
Speaker 1: thrown out of the state House for holding up a sign,
Speaker 1: right for doing things like that. So what do you
Speaker 1: make of this kind of this radicalization that I think
Speaker 1: is happening with more women seeking to run for public
Speaker 1: office and more women essentially on the front lines, which
Speaker 1: they largely have been. But I'm specifically kind of talking
Speaker 1: about white women here. Black women have always been on
Speaker 1: the front lines of marches in protests, but you're seeing
Speaker 1: it happen now with white women who have largely aligned
Speaker 1: themselves with the Republican Party.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to see how it matters electorally. And
Speaker 2: so I think what we're seeing is an important movement,
Speaker 2: right And the question is, when you use the term
Speaker 2: radical is the radicalization that that they are switching parties?
Speaker 2: Is it that they are rethinking things? I mean, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you that from the it seems pretty obvious just
Speaker 2: take five minutes on social media. The Republican strategy is
Speaker 2: to make Dobbs old news, to say, oh, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the latest. Thank people are tired of that. We're seeing
Speaker 2: in some elections, some of the elections that were yesterday
Speaker 2: as we record this, that some people who were totally
Speaker 2: totally pro choice didn't win just based on that issue
Speaker 2: in places like Oregon and other places and so. But
Speaker 2: the other thing is what's coming next. So the question
Speaker 2: is we'll be able to mobilize people on November or
Speaker 2: will there be many other issues which are you know,
Speaker 2: look over here, look over here, look over here, or
Speaker 2: will we be united? Now I can say that I've
Speaker 2: interviewed Republicans for a long time and they were unbelievably
Speaker 2: united about pro life. Like I mean, I would interview
Speaker 2: people on the ground in the middle of nowhere who
Speaker 2: like that was their voting issue. And Democrats need their
Speaker 2: voters to just vote on this issue and not based
Speaker 2: on divisions about about Gaza for example, or not divisions thinks.
Speaker 2: So the question is the question here is will the
Speaker 2: Democrats will be able to mobilize a coalition that will
Speaker 2: vote on this as a wedge issue?
Speaker 3: In light of all the other issues.
Speaker 2: About Gaza, about policing, about capitalism, about all these kind
Speaker 2: of things. If that's the case, Democrats win. And I
Speaker 2: think the stakes are pretty darn high for a lot
Speaker 2: of reasons. I mean, Trump, you know, the guy who
Speaker 2: had the first Reichick advertisement the other day, has said
Speaker 2: in an interview kind of hinted that that regulations are
Speaker 2: coming for contraception for IVF obviously, and all these things.
Speaker 2: So Dobbs is just the beginning of what could happen
Speaker 2: under Alito and Thomas and and in the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: And so the question really that I have for you
Speaker 2: is will the Democrats be able to unify and mobilize
Speaker 2: Because polls like Tennessee show a possible way forward. They
Speaker 2: actually don't show it for guns, right, if you dig
Speaker 2: down into that data. For guns, it's really divided about stuff,
Speaker 2: except for as always, should mentally ill people be full taxes? Guy,
Speaker 2: That's always the thing that people always agree on. But
Speaker 2: they're divided about guns. For teachers, they're divided about I think.
Speaker 1: They're also divided on what constitutes of mental illness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. But I'm saying, like, for me,
Speaker 2: the gun, the gun the gun. Honestly, looking at the
Speaker 2: date of the gun the gun answer was not super surprising,
Speaker 2: except that I know that they're different. There are different
Speaker 2: political agendas right now, and I think if depending on
Speaker 2: how the election turns out and who shows up, that issue.
Speaker 3: Could potentially shift.
Speaker 2: You'd never know if if the minute Republicans start losing
Speaker 2: on an issue in a gerimander area, that's when all
Speaker 2: of a sudden you'll see the change. But I think, really,
Speaker 2: I think that the Democrats and best bad is mobilizing
Speaker 2: around the really justifiable real fear. I mean, Trump is
Speaker 2: looking at the birth control pill and looking at obviously
Speaker 2: IVF for that was not a mistake, and things like that.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 2: I guess the question I have for you is knowing
Speaker 2: everything you know and thinking about this tennessee pull as
Speaker 2: one example of why that might be this strategy, But
Speaker 2: there are many other strategies, some of which are exactly
Speaker 2: against unifying Democrats across ideology, and I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people that I know can't decide whether they want
Speaker 2: to support the Democrats or quote unquote burn the Democrats down.
Speaker 2: Under the fantasy that a more leftist, radical Democratic party
Speaker 2: would emerge in its stead and so I guess the
Speaker 2: question is do you see this as an issue that
Speaker 2: Democrats could mobilize around in a coherent way that would
Speaker 2: sway the election.
Speaker 1: I think that Democrats need to get over the idea
Speaker 1: that they need to one hundred percent love or support
Speaker 1: all of the things that a candidate supports. I think
Speaker 1: that we need to move away from this idea that
Speaker 1: if I am aligned with Biden on democracy, on abortion,
Speaker 1: that like, because I am not aligned with him as
Speaker 1: it pertains to Gaza, and you know, and let's say
Speaker 1: the economy, then that means I'm not going to vote
Speaker 1: for him. But I think that folks need to start
Speaker 1: to understand that where we are is do we want
Speaker 1: the opportunity to continue to protest and fight for a
Speaker 1: better country or do we want that to be one
Speaker 1: of the less rights that are taken away? Right? Because
Speaker 1: I can continue, I would be happy, right if folks
Speaker 1: are like, well, you know, I swallow the pill and
Speaker 1: I vote for Biden, but we're getting out and protesting,
Speaker 1: you know, the inauguration, go with God. I'll be on
Speaker 1: the front lines with you to protest at inauguration. If
Speaker 1: in fact, the inauguration is for Joe Biden. But what
Speaker 1: folks need to I think that they need to wrap
Speaker 1: their minds around is that we're never going to align
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the time on all of the issues.
Speaker 1: But are we willing to give up our democracy? Right?
Speaker 1: And in with this with the fantasy that not voting
Speaker 1: for Joe Biden is going to be the thumb in
Speaker 1: the face to the Democratic Party as opposed to the
Speaker 1: end of our democracy. So I think that, like, these
Speaker 1: are real things that that are happening. I think that
Speaker 1: with this poll, the Biden administration does have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to kind of rally around this idea, which I think
Speaker 1: that they're doing. The place that I do believe that
Speaker 1: they're doing a good job is around abortion, Like is
Speaker 1: keeping that in the news. But we also have to
Speaker 1: understand Republicans are keeping it in the news. You have
Speaker 1: Florida that just put in place their six week abortion ban, right.
Speaker 1: You have states like Alabama and your state of Tennessee
Speaker 1: and all of these places that are tinkering with IVF.
Speaker 1: You have Virginia where Governor Younkin just vetoed the right
Speaker 1: to access to contraception right. So they're the ones that
Speaker 1: are keeping this in the news. So it's up to
Speaker 1: Democrats to pound the pavement and say, in this election,
Speaker 1: you may need to be a single issue voter because
Speaker 1: they're not done with reproductive freedom, with just abortion. They're
Speaker 1: coming for every single thing. So what happens to women
Speaker 1: and people with uteruses in this country if they no
Speaker 1: longer or have access to contraception? I mean, honestly, like
Speaker 1: what happens?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we become I mean, if you want to
Speaker 2: play it out, you know, the agenda is, it's very
Speaker 2: transparent and it's very terrifying. I mean, just look at you.
Speaker 2: You read that Project twenty twenty five thing and deporting
Speaker 2: a ton of people and creating basically of labor underclass
Speaker 2: of Americans who then will do that labor. It's not
Speaker 2: going to work out really well for people who you know.
Speaker 2: I think we need to get there. I think the
Speaker 2: threat is very serious and very real, and the question
Speaker 2: is how do you message that given I mean, there
Speaker 2: are just so many, so many potential scary areas to
Speaker 2: drive around right now. I mean I've been following really
Speaker 2: closely the elections yesterday, Progressives across the board relatively lost
Speaker 2: to Centrists in a lot of places even like Portland.
Speaker 2: So there was a risk thing in those elections of
Speaker 2: going too far left for an election. Not that people
Speaker 2: shouldn't go too far left, but in a place even
Speaker 2: like Portland, which is a lefty paradise that you know,
Speaker 2: things like safety and drugs and immigration and things like
Speaker 2: that were centric centrist one and so and so I
Speaker 2: think that's that's part of the thing, is how do
Speaker 2: you bring centrists and progressives back together if that's the goal,
Speaker 2: when the fantasy is like, you know, yeah, it's not
Speaker 2: just own the Libs. It's like I'm going to own
Speaker 2: the Centrists now, or I'm going to own the expre
Speaker 2: mess or something like that. Like the idea of like
Speaker 2: me against you is it's not just about two parties
Speaker 2: and you've got to think like one party. And so
Speaker 2: I think that's that's part of it, is like healing
Speaker 2: these democratic rifts. But then the other part is, I
Speaker 2: can't remember what state did you see this? There were
Speaker 2: it was like a massive portion of undecided. They didn't
Speaker 2: vote for Biden, they voted for undecided. But it wasn't
Speaker 2: people voting protesting Gaza. It was people protesting something else.
Speaker 2: That was a a much more far right position in
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. So now a bunch of other candidates
Speaker 2: electors are going to the Democratic Party not being committed
Speaker 2: to Biden also, but they're not doing it because of
Speaker 2: gods that they're doing it because of I can't remember
Speaker 2: some other.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what the issue is.
Speaker 2: I mean, no disrespect anybody, but and so the the
Speaker 2: Democratic Convention is going to have protests, yeah, it's going to,
Speaker 2: but all these different undecided voters and all these kind
Speaker 2: of things. So I don't know, I mean, I just
Speaker 2: feel like we should, like with respect everybody. I love,
Speaker 2: just frigging roofing myself and everybody else and like get
Speaker 2: us all on the same page and then, you know,
Speaker 2: or something like. It's just the amount of like not
Speaker 2: just real discord. I'm not trying to take away from it.
Speaker 2: But also this kind of chaos just serves the Republicans.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, sorry.
Speaker 3: That was that was that was a rant. But I'm
Speaker 3: just feeling frustrated.
Speaker 1: No, as we close out, Like, I believe in everybody's
Speaker 1: right to protest, I believe in everybody's right to you know,
Speaker 1: utilize uh these you know, primaries, local elections to have
Speaker 1: their voices heard. But I need people that as we
Speaker 1: get to November, they get their shit together and recognize
Speaker 1: that like, we're not going to have that right to
Speaker 1: continue to protest, We're not going to have workers' rights
Speaker 1: and protections. We're going to have an underclass, We're going
Speaker 1: to have a subjugated female population. And if you think
Speaker 1: that things are bad now, I assure you they can
Speaker 1: get worse under the United Reich, which is what the
Speaker 1: MAGA Republicans want. We'll leave it there today. My friend
Speaker 1: Jonathan Safe travels to Hawaii and we'll talk to you
Speaker 1: when you're on the ground there.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I will next next week, I'll if anybody wants to
Speaker 2: be there not I'll hold up a pineapple next week
Speaker 2: when we're talking.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on willk
Speaker 1: F as always Power to the people and to all
Speaker 1: the people. Power, get woke and stay work is spot