Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, So we wanted to mention that before we
Speaker 1: get into this week's episode, we wanted to say that
Speaker 1: this in particular episode is dedicated to the lives of
Speaker 1: Sam Norquist, who was targeted, abused, and murdered within the
Speaker 1: last few weeks, along with Tahari Broome, who too was
Speaker 1: a victim of senseless harm. May both of their memories
Speaker 1: be a blessing for loved ones, and may it move
Speaker 1: us into righteous action for their justice and the justice
Speaker 1: of trans people everywhere. We also want to take a
Speaker 1: moment to say that we love and appreciate all of
Speaker 1: those of you who continue to show us and show
Speaker 1: up in their authentic bodies, and to remember that we
Speaker 1: will always love and celebrate you for being who you are.
Speaker 1: We love you for real. Thanks for listening. The Black
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Speaker 1: John Paul LLC. Hey everyone, Welcome to another episode of
Speaker 1: the Blackfat Fin Podcast where all the intersections of dignity
Speaker 1: are celebrated. My name is John So known as doctor
Speaker 1: John Paul. And in the world where gas is too
Speaker 1: high and eggs or eleven door heads, I am so
Speaker 1: grateful and thankful to have you joho by my side
Speaker 1: them they do it, Yes, they do it. Whoever is
Speaker 1: up there? How are you my queen?
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 3: Well fam, it is your favorite delectable and delicious oreo Joe.
Speaker 3: And at first, let me say, you know, because the
Speaker 3: other ones that I'm like the outside but use no
Speaker 3: people be out here confusing me with perpetrating and I'm
Speaker 3: not do not confusing. I'm not rich doors all book, don't.
Speaker 3: I am blacky and black. Okay, check the car down,
Speaker 3: yeah to girl, Okay.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you right now. Today today, today I was.
Speaker 3: I was taken by surprise by my white neighbor whom
Speaker 3: I love so much, but they have to hello. I
Speaker 3: was like, who the fuck? And I was like, oh girls,
Speaker 3: a girl, I am black? Cause that really was like
Speaker 3: who is this talking to me? Yes?
Speaker 2: Fuck?
Speaker 3: I was like, let me let me calm down because
Speaker 3: you don't catch me out gar girl, it will not
Speaker 3: be c correct who.
Speaker 2: So I have to say, first of all the eggs
Speaker 2: while in these streets.
Speaker 3: Now for all you who was fire influence administration, I
Speaker 3: thought you all promised the eggs will be cheaper, and
Speaker 3: here we are. I was out here at trade Joe's
Speaker 3: I found eggs for five bucks and I was gagged.
Speaker 2: First of all, I was like, pie bucks, but what
Speaker 2: a steal.
Speaker 3: But then also I was like, wait, they're available, and
Speaker 3: people the cashier legit was like girl, you like you
Speaker 3: found these egg because let me tell you right now,
Speaker 3: we've been sold out every every.
Speaker 2: Day by like two pm.
Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, it was a wild eggs
Speaker 3: Like for some eggs.
Speaker 2: Y'all wild as hell? Who and not to be honest,
Speaker 2: y'all the urge to associate these days, yeah, real, it's real, real,
Speaker 2: deep deep.
Speaker 3: There are days where I'm like, this may be my thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteenth,
Speaker 3: and twenty twenty six reason.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, today might be the day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But you know, experience in the world, through our
Speaker 3: last has never felt more important than now right now.
Speaker 3: I am grateful that we get to do this because
Speaker 3: even amidst the pain of this year, and it's only
Speaker 3: two months into the year, yea, doing this with you
Speaker 3: is simultaneous and I'm very thankful for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I I too, And so you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's I mean, we've almost been doing this for
Speaker 1: almost at this point three years, and I think it's
Speaker 1: really cool. To be able to know that, Like I
Speaker 1: set this in our pre you know, our pre meeting.
Speaker 1: I said, I think it is so cool that I
Speaker 1: have this to look forward to, like, yeah, my week,
Speaker 1: maybe you know, my week may be up and down,
Speaker 1: and there might be a lot of really terrible things
Speaker 1: that are happening, but it's really cool that I get
Speaker 1: to like come and laugh and be in community with you,
Speaker 1: you know, both in person and not right Like, I know,
Speaker 1: we record virtually a lot, but there are times like
Speaker 1: next week we'll be together, you know, next in the week,
Speaker 1: and a few weeks after that will be together again.
Speaker 1: And so it's really nice to know that, you know,
Speaker 1: I have you. You know, I always tell people there's
Speaker 1: no there is no black Fat Fim show without Joho,
Speaker 1: like there is no there is no you know, there
Speaker 1: is no black fat fem for me without you. And
Speaker 1: I mean, I if you you know, I'm sure you've
Speaker 1: already read your book, but in the acknowledgments, I acknowledge
Speaker 1: you probably third or fourth because you have been like
Speaker 1: a sister to me these last three years. And so
Speaker 1: it's just I mean, we've known each other for almost
Speaker 1: ten years. But I say that to say you know,
Speaker 1: doing this on the air with you every every week
Speaker 1: has been literally the highlight.
Speaker 2: Of my week.
Speaker 1: So I'm really really grateful that I get to do
Speaker 1: this with you and experience this life with you. So
Speaker 1: with that being said, y'all already know what it is
Speaker 1: this week and are still here category we are going
Speaker 1: to give the one and only Miss Tisha Campbell. And
Speaker 1: yes we are still we are still on the mission
Speaker 1: to get t Sha.
Speaker 2: On this show.
Speaker 1: She we're gonna give her this, Yes, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: her on this show. But this week we're gonna give
Speaker 1: her flowers. And I wanted to ask you the question
Speaker 1: since we are getting ready, I mean, this is the
Speaker 1: last week of Black History Month. Well, when this episode
Speaker 1: comes out of to be the last week of history
Speaker 1: Black History Month, I wanted to end you know, and
Speaker 1: and and you know, really talk about it from the
Speaker 1: rights and the whites, considering they continue to try to
Speaker 1: take them away from us our rights, the whites are
Speaker 1: continuing to try to do this, I wanted to really
Speaker 1: ask a question that is really gonna posit us in
Speaker 1: terms of celebration of what it means to be us.
Speaker 1: And so this week I wanted to ask since We
Speaker 1: didn't have a chance to explore this a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago because we ran out of time. Who or
Speaker 1: what moments from this month or even this year so
Speaker 1: far have made you so damn proud to be black?
Speaker 1: I will say for me, I know many of you
Speaker 1: are probably gonna expect that I'm gonna say Beyonce's winning,
Speaker 1: you know, Artists of the Year, which is just a given. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna always anytime Beyonce wins anything, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: literally going to be up in arms, you know, in
Speaker 1: terms of joy and celebrating her, cause that's just who
Speaker 1: I am and I'm always be that girl. But what
Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna talk about, it's probably something y'all may
Speaker 1: not know has happened, or I may not even know
Speaker 1: that it's going to be the thing that tickled me
Speaker 1: to death this month. So I wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: what made me so damn proud to be black? Was
Speaker 1: the moment when Janelle Monnet was performing before the Grammys
Speaker 1: and she screamed out, fuck you Nelly because he performed
Speaker 1: at the inauguration. So there was an iteration of hotten
Speaker 1: here that was actually being played with one of their songs,
Speaker 1: and when they got to like the Bridge of Hotten
Speaker 1: here they basically was just calling out Nelly. I forget
Speaker 1: all of the terms and things that they were saying,
Speaker 1: but they basically was calling them out for basically performing
Speaker 1: and taking the money from you know, the right. And
Speaker 1: so it just tickled me because I definitely think like
Speaker 1: it makes me happy that people don't get lost in
Speaker 1: what I call lost in the sauce in this industry, right,
Speaker 1: it's so easy for you to like bite your tongue
Speaker 1: or for you to not take a side, or for
Speaker 1: you not to use your platform to say something about
Speaker 1: the injustice that's happening. And for Genell Moene to be
Speaker 1: in a room full of all of these executives and
Speaker 1: to basically give Nellie the middle finger for what he
Speaker 1: did and hold him accountable for that, it just it
Speaker 1: makes me so happy. And that is exactly why I
Speaker 1: love Janell Moe. So what what what was yours?
Speaker 2: I live? And I love and and and I laugh,
Speaker 2: I live, laugh and love now live laugh, love my god.
Speaker 3: The whites did. The whites did the big one on
Speaker 3: that one. Live left love so for me, and.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be sappy, form of y'all but.
Speaker 3: Seeing the press for uh, there's this book coming out called.
Speaker 2: Black Fat Fat.
Speaker 3: Visibly Queer Voices in Media and how to Love Yourself
Speaker 3: Love Listen both that comes out marsh fifth, you can
Speaker 3: buy a Mary where you make it a book? And
Speaker 3: the tour event the plus Person Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: It's really what's the name? The incomparable think John? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So it just you know, in this moment makes me
Speaker 3: proud to be black because I'm literally witnessing black history
Speaker 3: be made in real time.
Speaker 2: What's the front row to? You can't buy this girl, okay,
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna tell you I did not. I did
Speaker 2: not buy my.
Speaker 3: Sweet my sweetey bugget tickets for Jasel and I love her, Okay,
Speaker 3: So I get to live I get to live my
Speaker 3: uh my hot down holdown with John right. John's legend
Speaker 3: and icon and they are the moment. Now now come on, now, now.
Speaker 2: Come on now.
Speaker 3: This makes me proud to be black every day, but
Speaker 3: truly seeing people give you the love that you that
Speaker 3: I've known that you deserve, it's really just so special.
Speaker 2: I see people have got the book, the book.
Speaker 3: In their hands already, but like seeing but like seeing
Speaker 3: it like when I saw a picture of it in
Speaker 3: that person's hand.
Speaker 2: I was like this, like this is history.
Speaker 3: I saw someone today with a shirt that I and
Speaker 3: now I actually I thought I thought of you about it,
Speaker 3: went fellow shirt. Their their shirt says for as long
Speaker 3: as I am black, I am historical and I am history.
Speaker 3: And like John, you are living, breathing history in real time.
Speaker 2: Is okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said the same thing to Travail this week too,
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, who are friends?
Speaker 3: But if not mears of each other, right, not two
Speaker 3: mears of his history making of her historam making.
Speaker 1: People in the same room. Like yeah, that's that feels
Speaker 1: really good. I appreciate you saying that. And I you know,
Speaker 1: I don't do well with you know, compliments is something
Speaker 1: I struggle with. So I'm always like feeling a little shy.
Speaker 1: But I have my friend Kyle. Kyle is a listener
Speaker 1: of the show. Shout out to you, Kyle. They text
Speaker 1: me the other week and was like, girl, you better
Speaker 1: continue to get you know, if people are tired of you,
Speaker 1: he tired of hearing you know you talk about this book.
Speaker 1: Oh the fuck well pushing it And so.
Speaker 2: Because they are not on the check, so no, go
Speaker 2: time somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Okay, ye, take a nap, wake up and buy the
Speaker 1: book bitch.
Speaker 2: Okay that part. Yeah, but no.
Speaker 1: And so I'm trying to you know, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: balance you know, the the what's the word I'm looking for,
Speaker 1: like the humble the humility around you think. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but also I appreciate when, you know, again, I appreciate
Speaker 1: being seen. And like I said last night, you know,
Speaker 1: in a post on on social media, I said the
Speaker 1: same thing I said. In this time where the world
Speaker 1: is working actively to erase us, not just meet us
Speaker 1: as a people, it's just nice to be in spaces
Speaker 1: and places where people who are like, no, I got you,
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna do what we need to do
Speaker 1: to make sure that you're good and that you get
Speaker 1: to where you want to go. And so I say
Speaker 1: all that to just to say this week, I'm really
Speaker 1: coming to the episode, and you'll probably hear it show
Speaker 1: up in another way, but this week I'm really coming
Speaker 1: to the episode very just appreciative and really just trying
Speaker 1: to take the time to just take in and kind
Speaker 1: of you know, my husband says this all the time,
Speaker 1: like you need to be more grateful. Not grateful, but
Speaker 1: you know you're doing a lot of good work and
Speaker 1: you need to give yourself more credit. And so I
Speaker 1: think for me this week, you know, between the book,
Speaker 1: between the podcasts, between you know, the fact that we
Speaker 1: won an award last year, like all of those things,
Speaker 1: I'm really taking in this weekend. I'm just kind of going, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, we're doing what we're doing, and it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna make a difference, whether it makes a
Speaker 1: difference now or whether it makes a difference later. Like
Speaker 1: you said, it is still black history. And I'm really
Speaker 1: fucking with that. So with that being said, we now
Speaker 1: that we have made our ancestors smile once again, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a break and when we get back, we're
Speaker 1: gonna jump into the category we're in.
Speaker 3: A second, all right, fam we are black to be black,
Speaker 3: black and back. And considering the message you share at
Speaker 3: the top of the show, John, I want to do
Speaker 3: more than just top of the issues that Treon's folks face, right,
Speaker 3: and I have deeper into a conversation, I mean, bother
Speaker 3: me hearing sense the man who should not be named
Speaker 3: has taken office. We know that there are many folks
Speaker 3: who are terrified to be in the US, and there
Speaker 3: are folks who also don't have the ability or privilege
Speaker 3: to leave. And there's been a conversation around black, trans
Speaker 3: by binary folks fleeing to quote unquote blue states. Whoever,
Speaker 3: no one talks about what it's actually like to live
Speaker 3: in said state. Now, to be clear, before we shot
Speaker 3: the conversation, we don't want to overgeneralize at all, Right, Like,
Speaker 3: we know we are two Californians who don't speak them
Speaker 3: to the entire state. But there's a consensus we do
Speaker 3: see in our circles among other marginalized folks that California
Speaker 3: isn't as blue as it purports it to be. And
Speaker 3: let's let's be honest of the state was not blue
Speaker 3: at all in this past election.
Speaker 2: Now, let's talk about it. Now, let's talk about it,
Speaker 2: and we even experience it ourselves. So I want to
Speaker 2: begin by asking, what was.
Speaker 3: The first time that you realize that California, California ain't
Speaker 3: always sunny in calubn.
Speaker 1: You then, I ain't know it's sunny, you know? So
Speaker 1: I wrote down on our show flow the first time
Speaker 1: I was called a nigger, you know, and seriously, I I,
Speaker 1: you know, you would think, growing up right and so
Speaker 1: cow that I might have been called a nigger a
Speaker 1: lot of times, but I had never up until the
Speaker 1: time that I did get called the inn word, I
Speaker 1: had never really like people had said it as like
Speaker 1: a general thing, and people had made like, you know,
Speaker 1: monkey sounds and had done all of like the racist
Speaker 1: shit that you know, every black person kind of deals
Speaker 1: with whenever, because I went, you know, I was, I
Speaker 1: lived in an area that was predominantly white, right, and
Speaker 1: so you know, and they were poor white, but they
Speaker 1: were still white. And so all of that to say,
Speaker 1: I had never had anyone directly to my face call
Speaker 1: me the in word, and so I I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about it in my book, but I didn't because
Speaker 1: it would have taken my book total, it would have
Speaker 1: taken the chapter a totally different way.
Speaker 2: But I did note that, you know.
Speaker 1: The first time I got called a nigger, I guess
Speaker 1: I'm noted here was when I was at San Diego Pride.
Speaker 1: And so I want you to kind of unpack though
Speaker 1: those layers. Right, So I'm in a city that is
Speaker 1: I mean a city that is basically queer friendly per se.
Speaker 1: I'm putting quotations around that for folks who are listening
Speaker 1: to the episode not watching, they're queer friendly. Right, We're
Speaker 1: in Hillcrest, everyone's having a good time and the parade
Speaker 1: is happening, and it's me and it's another friend of
Speaker 1: mine at the time who was black. Well, we're not
Speaker 1: friends now, but I say say at the time, we
Speaker 1: were friends and we were standing in a certain spot
Speaker 1: on the sidewalk and there were a there was a
Speaker 1: group of white queers coming near us, coming towards us,
Speaker 1: and you know, they wanted us to move, and me
Speaker 1: and my friend at the time were like, no, go
Speaker 1: around or figure out a different way to get through here,
Speaker 1: but we're not moving because we want to keep our
Speaker 1: spot for the parade. And that's when we got caught
Speaker 1: the inn word, you know, because we wouldn't move. And
Speaker 1: so it's, like I said, the layers of it, right
Speaker 1: of being in a city, being in a state where
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be safe, but also like ever really
Speaker 1: feeling safe. And I think that that's also something too,
Speaker 1: Like I like, we talked about this in past episodes.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm the generation like I saw the Rodney
Speaker 1: King stuff happen in real time because at the time,
Speaker 1: my family lived in Compton, right, I was actually there
Speaker 1: when the riots broke out, And so even that and
Speaker 1: then having friends like Patrice whose brother was murdered by lapd, like,
Speaker 1: they're all of these very coded things that tell you
Speaker 1: that even though you're from SoCal, you're still not as
Speaker 1: safe as you think, right and so like, and again,
Speaker 1: I know I'm talking a lot about color, but I'm
Speaker 1: also talking about like there are moments too where like
Speaker 1: you know, so we can't not not talk about the
Speaker 1: sundown town So I mentioned Highland a lot, I talk
Speaker 1: a lot about Redlands, I talk a lot about ya Kaipa.
Speaker 1: I know you've even mentioned that even in San Diego
Speaker 1: County that there are sundown towns, right, and so when
Speaker 1: you even talk about being black and queer in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: or black and queer and Beverly Hills, or even going
Speaker 1: to the Abbey, like all of the stories that I
Speaker 1: could share with you about my experience at the abbey.
Speaker 1: And that's West Hollywood again, another city that purports itself
Speaker 1: to be inclusive because of the number of queer people
Speaker 1: who live there. But yet I have had run ins
Speaker 1: with people there that have challenged me, both as a
Speaker 1: black person and as a queer person and as a
Speaker 1: fat person. Right, so like it's just it's just that.
Speaker 1: So like I mean, I kind of to start the
Speaker 1: conversation off, I think, like, yes, this conversation is nuanced,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you uplifting that we're not making a
Speaker 1: general sweep, but I definitely want people to listen to
Speaker 1: this and hear it and go, you know, when we
Speaker 1: make that general statement that California is just this blue
Speaker 1: and happy place. Yeah, I'm happy to live here, but
Speaker 1: it but it ain't always roses, you know what about you.
Speaker 2: Love live ain't never been no Crystal Stair chapter one,
Speaker 2: but go on.
Speaker 3: And so in my experience, I feel like I think
Speaker 3: I've known since I was younger. Give like in some
Speaker 3: ways times like people thought my dad wasn't my dad,
Speaker 3: or people would ask me if I was okay, if
Speaker 3: I was safe when I was with him, right, Like
Speaker 3: you know, people had like racially biased and charge questions
Speaker 3: they thought were for my safety, but like we actually
Speaker 3: created was like more confusion of like should I.
Speaker 2: Not feel safe with my dad?
Speaker 3: And and and I mean I may not have felt
Speaker 3: safe for other reasons, but not because he's black, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, because the streets like okay, like yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and so you know, and I think.
Speaker 3: All at the time, it was the time when I
Speaker 3: was when my brothers was was attacked and they're attached
Speaker 3: and arrested for being attacked by a racist shopbolder, and
Speaker 3: this was a difference. Let's go like, this was this
Speaker 3: was a place where like he was like that he
Speaker 3: grew up in that he would have never never thought
Speaker 3: that doesn't happen, you know.
Speaker 2: So I always knew.
Speaker 3: It was possible, but always I always know that it
Speaker 3: was possible that people like that existed in these places.
Speaker 3: But I also I also thought it was like an
Speaker 3: isolated incident as well too, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like I was like, oh, like, you know, this happens
Speaker 3: once once in a while, but it's not like it's
Speaker 3: not like a systemic issue that I see often. But
Speaker 3: when when moved to San Diego, I realized, oh no.
Speaker 2: It's everywhere much more. The state is rare than that thought.
Speaker 3: It is giving, it's giving purple, you know, a bruise,
Speaker 3: a bruise if you will bruise of the country. So
Speaker 3: moving here is when I realized actually at large, that
Speaker 3: people are in fact racist, homophobic, transphobic, fat phobic. In
Speaker 3: the bubble of my life that my childhood was popped
Speaker 3: when I moved here, because you know, I think so
Speaker 3: much of so Cal is rooted in conservatism as well,
Speaker 3: But I think that also contributes us to why versus
Speaker 3: I think, like, you know, I I think parts of
Speaker 3: nor Cal is you know, is is rooted in the
Speaker 3: idea of I think there's more value, like, there's more
Speaker 3: values of freedom there. I think, right when we think
Speaker 3: of like the creation of the Bay of the Bay Area, yeah,
Speaker 3: he has like an immigrant for a place, like I
Speaker 3: think it was it was creating that way versus so
Speaker 3: I think people who were conservative moved there quickly and
Speaker 3: began just just doing that nasty things. But yeah, so
Speaker 3: so honestly, I think I think the first I really
Speaker 3: realized the California was, you know, not always sunny, was
Speaker 3: when I had.
Speaker 2: My first I had my first group group of white friends.
Speaker 2: I'm here here here in the in the region.
Speaker 3: When I realized that people do not in fact look
Speaker 3: like me around and realizing that people thought they were
Speaker 3: more privy to asking really personal questions about your upbringing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like no one asked me where I was from up
Speaker 3: in the Bay Like no, no, no, no one asked
Speaker 3: me where.
Speaker 2: I was from.
Speaker 3: Like we all knew we were all from someplace else
Speaker 3: in the world or you know here, like we all
Speaker 3: knew that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I was asked so many times here You're like,
Speaker 2: where are you from? And even like other Bay Area no,
Speaker 2: but like where are you really from? Where are you
Speaker 2: really from?
Speaker 3: And I'm like and I'm like, uh, sudden, northern California
Speaker 3: And they're like, where's your family from? And then if
Speaker 3: you tell them and they're like I knew it, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: so now you know.
Speaker 2: That who I am because of that, Like it's just
Speaker 2: yeah anyway.
Speaker 1: So no, you It's funny because a long, long, long
Speaker 1: time ago, it was there was a moment where me
Speaker 1: and a friend it was me, a friend and my
Speaker 1: partner where he were shopping and the store owner did
Speaker 1: exactly that to me. It was very much where are
Speaker 1: you from? You know what? What like and again and
Speaker 1: this isn't like we were into like the Studio City area.
Speaker 1: We were in LA when that happened, And so having
Speaker 1: that moment where it's like, girl, I know what you're
Speaker 1: trying to ask, Like you really want to know if
Speaker 1: I'm truly truly black, so you know how to treat me,
Speaker 1: you know how to up these prices, because that's literally
Speaker 1: what also happens too that people don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about when when you're when you're a marginalized person. I think,
Speaker 1: so I'll say this before I ask the next question.
Speaker 1: I think the real moment for me when I realized that.
Speaker 1: And I've set this in different iterations throughout the show.
Speaker 1: I've said, you know, I think there is this belief,
Speaker 1: especially here in Socow, but I think in general for
Speaker 1: black people. Maybe you can say, maybe you agree to this,
Speaker 1: maybe you don't, But I think that there's this idea
Speaker 1: that if you work hard and you get money and
Speaker 1: you get you get quote unquote nice things, that your
Speaker 1: life will somehow become easier. And I think living here
Speaker 1: in so cal I think the real first time that
Speaker 1: it really hit me that no matter how much money
Speaker 1: I had, no matter how many degrees I had, no
Speaker 1: matter what I did, you know the fact that people
Speaker 1: know who I am, even sometimes when I'm just walking
Speaker 1: around people. Oh, that's doctor John Paul. That was never
Speaker 1: going to quote unquote change. I was still going to
Speaker 1: be a black person first and then queer and all
Speaker 1: the other things. Was when me and Jonathan started going
Speaker 1: through the process to buy a home, like that was
Speaker 1: the first time that it really hit me that I
Speaker 1: was like, oh shit, these people they're making all of
Speaker 1: these assumptions about where my money's coming from. They want
Speaker 1: to know where my money's coming from. Yeah, because and
Speaker 1: then also too, like they're giving me a hard time
Speaker 1: about wanting to live here because I'm now a black
Speaker 1: person living in this area that is predominantly white, you know,
Speaker 1: in so cals So. And it's the same thing we
Speaker 1: see it in Orange County. We see it in La redlining.
Speaker 1: I mean, we can talk for hours about though how
Speaker 1: much LA is redlined. And again, if you go and
Speaker 1: listen to our to Our Old to Alta Dina episode,
Speaker 1: I think that's like episode one thirty three or episode
Speaker 1: one thirty four, we talk about why Alta Dina became
Speaker 1: the Alta Dina that it is. And so anyway, all
Speaker 1: that to say, before I get in too much of
Speaker 1: a tangent, I love hearing you talk about your experience
Speaker 1: because as much as me and you, you know, we
Speaker 1: have moments, you know, when we're putting our shows together
Speaker 1: and when we're on the mic, we go, oh, we
Speaker 1: have the same experience. I never really realized that you
Speaker 1: get the same questions that I get about the you know,
Speaker 1: where you from and who you are, and so that
Speaker 1: just it grounds me more and loving and being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love talking to my sisters. But I did want
Speaker 1: to ask you, and I want to ask from your
Speaker 1: vantage point. You know, why do you think people paint
Speaker 1: California to be such a liberal place? And what do
Speaker 1: you think causes people not to speak out about the
Speaker 1: violent and stay experienced here in socow Because I find
Speaker 1: that too. I find a lot of people have a
Speaker 1: lot of injustice and they, for whatever reason, don't talk
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's interesting and I that question when I saw
Speaker 3: the Shoffe, Oh, this is a really fascinating question, because
Speaker 3: I really had like a media thought the first part
Speaker 3: but the same part was like, oh, the violence part
Speaker 3: was interesting. But I think I think, I think partially
Speaker 3: to the white seam situal the liberal places because like
Speaker 3: the largest the two largest metro areas right are historically
Speaker 3: extremely diverse, like like like s F and l A.
Speaker 2: Right, people flocked to these cities and built.
Speaker 3: Queer black and brown enclays when white flight brought people
Speaker 3: to suburbs, right right, then then gentrification has come back
Speaker 3: because the whites, the whites missed being be able to
Speaker 3: watch to the markets or badegas the whites.
Speaker 2: No one, I actually do miss walkability, right, I want
Speaker 2: to run with my doggie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're like, let me let me back into
Speaker 3: the home that I had that I was renting twenty
Speaker 3: five years ago for no reason.
Speaker 2: Like you know it right, it's very very very colonial.
Speaker 3: And I mean, like that's obviously an overstimplication, but and
Speaker 3: and you know, and and I mean to be funny,
Speaker 3: but I do think I think California has had just
Speaker 3: had really great PR people to frame it that way,
Speaker 3: right right, you know, like people the California Employe is
Speaker 3: a great PR team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, must they work office is working, okay, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: And I will say I do believe that we we
Speaker 3: do for as black fems have much more legal protections
Speaker 3: than than then BFFs in other states. And so I
Speaker 3: don't think the California has seen as a liberal place
Speaker 3: without good reason.
Speaker 2: So and you know, but but but but but.
Speaker 3: I wish people understood that legal protections are in place
Speaker 3: after an altercation or bad experience, and they're not meant
Speaker 3: to be not meant for prevention. So recognize, right that
Speaker 3: the state isn't immune to pervasive experiences that harm people
Speaker 3: in the moment. We're just more likely to receive some
Speaker 3: sort of resolution legally. And to some people, right, that
Speaker 3: is a life saving and to others that's not. And
Speaker 3: so I think you're question about why white people not
Speaker 3: about the volency experiences because I think in some cases
Speaker 3: people get resolution or justice through like through the legal forms.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: When people are the experiences in other states, it's because
Speaker 3: there also has not been a legal process that has
Speaker 3: actually benefit them either. And so I think you so,
Speaker 3: I do I want to name in honer that that, like,
Speaker 3: while things are not perfect in any way, we do
Speaker 3: have more going for us.
Speaker 2: And I think people flock here.
Speaker 3: Because they know that, Like, I think people are willing
Speaker 3: to deal with some social bullshit if they know the
Speaker 3: law like that, they know that they that they're protected
Speaker 3: in legal ways, yeah, from very real harms, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so I think you know, I think that's a
Speaker 3: part of it from like from my from my perspective.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you yeah that so again never thought about it
Speaker 1: from that perspective either. So I love that you mentioned that.
Speaker 1: I was also going to say to your point too,
Speaker 1: like I did. I did a training this week, I
Speaker 1: know your rights training for work, and I was telling
Speaker 1: the kids that are kids they were teenagers or teenagers
Speaker 1: slash eight. They were between the ages of like eighteen
Speaker 1: to twenty two. I had basically told them at that training.
Speaker 1: I had said, please keep in mind that yes, these
Speaker 1: these these rights and these things are here in California
Speaker 1: for you. But it does but like to also keep
Speaker 1: in mind that they don't have to. Like, if you
Speaker 1: get the right person on the right day who truly
Speaker 1: wants to help you, yeah, you have right because yeah,
Speaker 1: the laws I'm made to be fair. It's not made
Speaker 1: to be. It's you know, if you know how I
Speaker 1: use it, it can be. It can be, but if
Speaker 1: you don't it can also.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I want to also like for folks
Speaker 1: who are listening right and who are saying that, like
Speaker 1: that is a point that people are making that yes,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of protections here, but Let's keep
Speaker 1: in mind that you can only be protected if the
Speaker 1: people who are doing the protecting really want to protect you.
Speaker 1: But if they are racist or if they have you know,
Speaker 1: isms that they're working through, right, they can they can
Speaker 1: send you through all the hoops that they want to
Speaker 1: make sure that you don't get the care that.
Speaker 2: You that you can I can.
Speaker 3: I just just that point, right, just I just want
Speaker 3: to shot out the organizations like non profits in the state, Yes,
Speaker 3: who also do work to know your rights, because I
Speaker 3: think to the point, right like, you may have to
Speaker 3: rely you may have to rely on a lawyer, and
Speaker 3: that lawyer may not have your may have your best
Speaker 3: interest to heart. But these organizations who do know your
Speaker 3: rights workshops can actually help equip you with the tools
Speaker 3: you need to know your rights. Because I think a
Speaker 3: lot about by brand time or ice raids are affecting
Speaker 3: people like on huge levels. Yeah, and and and I
Speaker 3: thinel like I'm sure like many people in some of
Speaker 3: those states like Texas may not have the education right
Speaker 3: like like like to prevent ice from coming into the
Speaker 3: schools or to their homes or like you know, or
Speaker 3: like or just stand up to ice agents. But in
Speaker 3: California We have a lot of organizations that are doing
Speaker 3: their rights workshops that the you know, the they're like, like,
Speaker 3: you actually don't have to answer that question for you
Speaker 3: actually come off to let them into your workplace or school.
Speaker 3: You actually you actually don't owe them a roster ofbsidence
Speaker 3: in your in your school who may or may not be
Speaker 3: a documented.
Speaker 2: Right like like and so we are we are be like.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that there is a lot of like like
Speaker 3: like say this and empowerment to take to like to
Speaker 3: to know the law yourself and not have to rely
Speaker 3: on like people of the law because you know, damn well,
Speaker 3: most people of the law do not want to use
Speaker 3: a lot to help you. They want to use a
Speaker 3: law against you. So you can be of the law
Speaker 3: yourself and learn yourself.
Speaker 2: You can, you can, you can cover a lot more.
Speaker 2: You can cover a lot more ass sometimes that way
Speaker 2: for yourself.
Speaker 1: And I would say this, you know, I think for people.
Speaker 1: So you know, we're kind of getting, you know, towards
Speaker 1: the tell end of this combo. But I was going
Speaker 1: to say, I think it it is behoove. I saw
Speaker 1: a mean today of a of a of a horse
Speaker 1: jumping out about seriousness. So they felt like that horse
Speaker 1: every time they use the word bhoof so.
Speaker 2: Stupid. But anyway, because that's how my mind work. You
Speaker 2: know that I have a touch of the tism, so
Speaker 2: you know, I'll be all over the place anyway, anywhere.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say all this to say.
Speaker 1: I think that this is a really good time for
Speaker 1: me to say, Like as we're as we're kind of
Speaker 1: winding this combo down, if for folks who are listening
Speaker 1: to this pod and are saying, oh, I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: the jump to go live in La or I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make the jump to go to San fran San Diego,
Speaker 1: or even so cow riverside, you know the ie San
Speaker 1: Diego whatever, right, if you're if you're thinking about that, right,
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, one of the big pieces
Speaker 1: of advice saying this is something that I also tell
Speaker 1: people too, you know when they ask me, like why
Speaker 1: because someone at dinner last night, someone someone turned me
Speaker 1: and said, you know, you talk a lot of shit
Speaker 1: about New York on your podcast, you know, why won't
Speaker 1: you ever leave? And I told them, I said, I
Speaker 1: you know, as much shit as I talk about other
Speaker 1: states and specifically New York. Love my friends who live
Speaker 1: in New York. I want to make sure that I
Speaker 1: make that very clear that I love y'all. New York
Speaker 1: is just not for me. But I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: you know, I understand the racism, the homophobia, like I
Speaker 1: understand all of that here, and I'm not at a
Speaker 1: place in my big age now where i want to
Speaker 1: go through relearning that in another city or in another
Speaker 1: state and having to figure out what protections I have.
Speaker 1: Like at least here in California, I know what the
Speaker 1: protections are because I've done my research and work. I've
Speaker 1: been working for a nonprofit for almost five years that
Speaker 1: has told me time and time again, these are the
Speaker 1: rights that you need to go out into the community
Speaker 1: and tell people.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So it helps me to know that. But I would
Speaker 1: tell people, you know, if you are thinking about moving
Speaker 1: to LA or you're thinking about moving to Cali, I
Speaker 1: would take a gander to the interwebs and I would
Speaker 1: google the history of just just to start the history
Speaker 1: of police violence, not just from the LAPD, but look
Speaker 1: at San Bernardino Police Department, look at the stuff that
Speaker 1: has happened in San Diego. I would look at documentaries
Speaker 1: like LA ninety two, that really helps you understand why
Speaker 1: Crenshaw looks the way that it does. Right, That helps
Speaker 1: you understand why people call Baldwin Hills the black you know,
Speaker 1: the black Beverly Hills. Why that Like, that's gonna give
Speaker 1: you some some some kind of headway of understanding. Oh,
Speaker 1: you know, as much as as as much as people
Speaker 1: paint like you said that PRPs, people paint la and
Speaker 1: in California to be such this beautiful place. But there's
Speaker 1: a lot of hate here. I mean, I mentioned, you know,
Speaker 1: a love song for Latasha. That's that they're both on Netflix.
Speaker 1: But I even think about, like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you heard about this a couple of you know, years ago.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, but right around the
Speaker 1: time that we both were, when I was working at
Speaker 1: Long Beach and you were, you were living slash working
Speaker 1: at Long Beach with me, there was I guess they were.
Speaker 1: There was this encampment that was on the fifty seven.
Speaker 1: So for those of you who don't live in southern California,
Speaker 1: we have a multitude of different freeways, and one of
Speaker 1: the main freeways to get in and out of basically
Speaker 1: the Long Beach area is the fifty seven. You have
Speaker 1: to take the fifty seven to the twenty two. Well,
Speaker 1: the fifty seven had an encampment. It was a massive
Speaker 1: encampment of houseless people living there, and I guess the
Speaker 1: city of Anaheim was trying to figure out what do
Speaker 1: we do with these people who are living in this encampment,
Speaker 1: and everybody in Anaheim voted against it. They were like,
Speaker 1: we don't want these people in our neighborhoods. We don't
Speaker 1: want these encampments here, and so the encampment moved. I
Speaker 1: still to this day don't know where the encampment is,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, like, yes, we're this this place
Speaker 1: of you know where you know, we're in a The
Speaker 1: only thing I keep saying is safety is relative here,
Speaker 1: you know safe like you may feel like you have rights,
Speaker 1: but I think, like you said, it's pr People want
Speaker 1: you to believe that you're safer here in California, And
Speaker 1: in reality you might be if you have you know,
Speaker 1: the complexion for protection or you're you're not queer, But
Speaker 1: if you are marginalized in any capacity here, you still
Speaker 1: run the gamut that there's going to be some form
Speaker 1: of hatred you're going to experience. While living here, and
Speaker 1: so I felt it was so important for us to
Speaker 1: have this convo because obviously, right, I think the reason
Speaker 1: what made me want to have this convo was thinking
Speaker 1: about what happened to Sam, and everyone's saying that.
Speaker 2: Happened in a blue state.
Speaker 1: It happened in New York, and so like, there's this
Speaker 1: miss kind of a miseducation of what safety truly looks
Speaker 1: like for queer and black people in quote unquote blue states.
Speaker 2: And I just felt like we really needed to touch.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's so real, because let's be honest, all
Speaker 3: blue state means, or re estate means, is majority of
Speaker 3: those people who vote voted that thing, right, right, That's
Speaker 3: not kind of people who did not vote, not kind
Speaker 3: of people who who may do some up things. Like.
Speaker 3: All that means is that the majority of people who voted,
Speaker 3: who are with the vote and who want to vote,
Speaker 3: voted in that way.
Speaker 2: That's all. It means. Like there are people of all
Speaker 2: of all size.
Speaker 3: Of good and evil and and and we all have
Speaker 3: we all capacity for both, and some people choose to
Speaker 3: use their power for evil and stuff such, and so
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think you're actually right, safty is relative,
Speaker 3: you know, and I want you I want to screen
Speaker 3: your point.
Speaker 2: You mean about like why do people choose to live
Speaker 2: here in the places?
Speaker 3: Like one of my one of my closest friends in
Speaker 3: the world, you know, she has she has she has
Speaker 3: two daughters, and she was telling me, like for a
Speaker 3: while her her her family with about moving to a
Speaker 3: different state, and she was like, I think where I
Speaker 3: stay here because like because I want my daughters to
Speaker 3: have the option to have an abortion, like and the
Speaker 3: and and this friend like she she likely would like
Speaker 3: never have one herself, like you know, like I I
Speaker 3: don't think she would believe in doing it for herself,
Speaker 3: but she wants her daughters to have the option because
Speaker 3: here they do, right, and like that to me, like
Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, Like what an amazing parent, right, Like
Speaker 3: even if she bean not align with that herself as
Speaker 3: a person as a parent. She was like, my kids,
Speaker 3: I want them to have the right to choose what
Speaker 3: they want to do with with their body, and I
Speaker 3: can do that in other states, right, And I think
Speaker 3: that it right. And it's also sad that she that
Speaker 3: She's like, so I'm gonna make it work to live
Speaker 3: here in this state that is still not the best
Speaker 3: because my kids have the most rights and such.
Speaker 2: You know that's I did not know that about about Anaheim.
Speaker 3: But you know what though, like babes, babes, if you'll
Speaker 3: if it was the sight vibes, if you want to
Speaker 3: go to to southern California, don't do the OC vibes,
Speaker 3: don't It's a red state in in and of it self.
Speaker 1: Love.
Speaker 2: Don't do it. Do it.
Speaker 1: It's not worth it. It's not worth it. Do you lost,
Speaker 1: do do.
Speaker 3: L b C, do San Diego, do the Bay Area,
Speaker 3: but don't do don't do the OLC, and don't do
Speaker 3: the Central Valley.
Speaker 2: My life just saying. People listening to this are like,
Speaker 2: how dare you turn to show names?
Speaker 3: I said what I said because Nope, nope, nip could
Speaker 3: not hie me to live in the o C loves Nope,
Speaker 3: don't Nope.
Speaker 2: I also the second I'm not beinging, I.
Speaker 1: Just titled the episode don't do it, babe, don't do it,
Speaker 1: but don't do it vibes.
Speaker 2: Just put this, put this, put this, some by that,
Speaker 2: don't do it vibes.
Speaker 3: And then you and I second your point of research,
Speaker 3: like find organizations that reflect your identity in the cities
Speaker 3: that you're looking to move right, like if you are
Speaker 3: if you are a black fat femb right, look for
Speaker 3: a black pride in that city that you want to
Speaker 3: look for, right, you know, look if you if you're
Speaker 3: if you're a queer bit you loves to cook, find
Speaker 3: yourself who are the queer people who love to cook
Speaker 3: in the city where you live?
Speaker 2: And find out do they look like you or not?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: What areas do they cover?
Speaker 3: What is a living experience like for those folks like
Speaker 3: you like like, don't like, don't just look, don't just
Speaker 3: look out like a demography map and be like, this
Speaker 3: place looks cool, people look happy, but they're all like
Speaker 3: like but like but but they're all white folks within
Speaker 3: folks or non black folks like you know or or
Speaker 3: non quer folks. Go find the places organizations that represent
Speaker 3: who you want. What can you want to be a
Speaker 3: part of. Because for example, like if you if you're
Speaker 3: be if you're a b f F, you may not
Speaker 3: you may not want to move to who.
Speaker 2: Or Peco Robertson, absolutely not. You may you may want.
Speaker 1: To find Long Beach or at the park as a
Speaker 1: and I would even say you may even want to
Speaker 1: pause on Long Beach because Long Beach.
Speaker 2: Long Beach got a little bit of entire blackness. Stupid
Speaker 2: we can talk about.
Speaker 1: Oh no, not my alma mater, not my adult don't
Speaker 1: come from alma mater.
Speaker 2: Did I lie? But did you fucking life fucking lie? Listen, listen?
Speaker 3: There are en places and if y'all, if you're trying
Speaker 3: to move to Long you holler at you, holler at Johoe,
Speaker 3: and I will tell you where to go because I
Speaker 3: know the places where and where you can go, places
Speaker 3: in which you should not but know, but like but
Speaker 3: like you know, look up, like don't just look up
Speaker 3: a place and see what it has in the city.
Speaker 3: Look up who runs the city, who is in the city,
Speaker 3: what do they do, Because that's how you'll actually get
Speaker 3: to know whether you're not you'll love a place right
Speaker 3: like I don't. I have some may folks who move
Speaker 3: who move to San Diego, and they moved to like.
Speaker 2: I won't shoot own cities.
Speaker 3: Here, but they moved to like a northern part of
Speaker 3: the county and like the hell, what's the hill?
Speaker 1: Let's what they say, name names and keep it on
Speaker 1: the playground. So you go to what what.
Speaker 3: We're not gonna do is try and give me kids
Speaker 3: on these streets, bitch, not today, say no. They moved
Speaker 3: to the northern part of the county, Okay. Oh the hills,
Speaker 3: Oh the hills, Oh the mountains, Oh the mars, you know,
Speaker 3: all all the places and places and then they see
Speaker 3: them and like, girl, I hit it here, And I'm like,
Speaker 3: that's because you live in that place.
Speaker 2: That is no place is not.
Speaker 3: For you, girl, Unfortunately, beloved, the place is not gonna
Speaker 3: be for you right now. Find a new place. You
Speaker 3: should have came here this place and said or if
Speaker 3: you can't go to this place, so like and like, yes,
Speaker 3: I think any city you can find your communitia people,
Speaker 3: but that requires more work and knowledge that people don't
Speaker 3: have to like look for the places that you might
Speaker 3: actually love to be in and see who was there
Speaker 3: all out those organizations, follow them on social media, connect
Speaker 3: with them. She's like, hey, if if if I want
Speaker 3: to move here, how would you I think It'll message
Speaker 3: me and say, hey, I know folks who have been
Speaker 3: like I want to move to to San Diego.
Speaker 2: I love doing this X y Z stuff. Do you
Speaker 2: think this is a good place for me?
Speaker 3: And I want to say, listen, girl is not my
Speaker 3: job to tell you what is not good good for you.
Speaker 3: Like I can tell you is if you let these things,
Speaker 3: does it have it yes, it's diverse, yes or no?
Speaker 3: And I will be honest with you, would saying I
Speaker 3: know I didn't find this when I moved here, but
Speaker 3: I know it's here now.
Speaker 2: You know what I like. Be informed by the best
Speaker 2: decisions you want to make, y'all.
Speaker 1: To your point, Joho, if you're moving here, do a
Speaker 1: fuck ton of research. Yeah, please, because just because it's
Speaker 1: California doesn't mean it's safe. I just want to make
Speaker 1: that very clear that nowhere in the US is safe
Speaker 1: for US, period, and even the safety numbers lie. There
Speaker 1: was a study a couple of years ago that said
Speaker 1: Lo Melendo was ranked as one of the safest cities
Speaker 1: in California.
Speaker 2: And my ass was, like, safe for who?
Speaker 1: Because whenever I'm not Loma Linda, I don't feel safe
Speaker 1: out there?
Speaker 2: Right so right, so right?
Speaker 1: So the the real question is who needs to be who? Like,
Speaker 1: the real thing here is we need to be asking
Speaker 1: the question safety is relative you know, to what to like,
Speaker 1: to to your identity? What does safety mean for you?
Speaker 1: Is it safety from the black side of you. Is
Speaker 1: it safety from your queerness? Is it safety for your
Speaker 1: your idea of being a you know, a CIS woman
Speaker 1: or trans woman? Like, we really need to start interrogating
Speaker 1: what safety means. And it's not to say, like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't. Part of me wants to tell you not
Speaker 1: to move here because I'm sick and tired of traffic.
Speaker 2: But I also understand why people move here.
Speaker 1: So I want to make sure I make that very
Speaker 1: clear and that I'm not telling y'all don't come to
Speaker 1: California because it's terrible. No, I get it, it's a
Speaker 1: little bit better than other places. I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that I acknowledge that. But what I'm also saying
Speaker 1: is is that when we talk about safety, most of
Speaker 1: the time, safety is often meant for white CIS people.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I really want to I want to hit kind of
Speaker 1: home on, is that the reality is that even in safety,
Speaker 1: there's a chance to get help and to feel better
Speaker 1: about your lived experiences. But know that racism, homophobia, and
Speaker 1: trash people are everywhere, and they are doing everything right
Speaker 1: now that they can to get rid of us. And
Speaker 1: so I just felt like I felt like we couldn't
Speaker 1: kind of put a bow on this conversation without saying that,
Speaker 1: like this real, this, this, this conversation right now is
Speaker 1: a conversation for BFFs to interrogate what's safe, what safety
Speaker 1: means and when people say, oh, this place is safe, who.
Speaker 2: Is it safe for? Who are we? Who are we naming?
Speaker 2: And that. So that's literally what I'm left with.
Speaker 3: So now that we have given y'all some homework, before
Speaker 3: you pack your bags up from Tuscaloosa, Alabama and try
Speaker 3: to head west, you'll need to reflect and we need
Speaker 3: to pay some bills of fifties roads for you by
Speaker 3: the time you get here.
Speaker 2: Is because we know them.
Speaker 3: We know them drivers be wild, and so we make
Speaker 3: sually you have a safe runway, uh for for your
Speaker 3: plane and a safe road.
Speaker 2: Tires will be back in gust ag if.
Speaker 1: All right, y'all, so we are back. So earlier this week,
Speaker 1: I was on a live with a peer of mine
Speaker 1: shout out to my homie Mark Travis Rivera, who hosts
Speaker 1: the show The Shift, and they had asked me a
Speaker 1: question that I was like, Oh, this is perfect for
Speaker 1: us to talk about because on the show I didn't
Speaker 1: really have a lot of time to really like delve
Speaker 1: into it the way I wanted to, And so for
Speaker 1: this week's Go Love Yourself, I was like, let me
Speaker 1: just ask that question here, and you know, and me
Speaker 1: and Joe can kind of get into a kikey about it.
Speaker 1: The question that was asked to us is, you know,
Speaker 1: how are we fighting the urge to want to tuck
Speaker 1: ourselves away in a moment right now where it feels
Speaker 1: hell is scary to be your authentic self? And so
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, Joho, like, what are you
Speaker 1: doing or what are you like what steps, what things
Speaker 1: do you take into consideration, like what what ways are
Speaker 1: you helping to kind of hold yourself to accountability of
Speaker 1: being your authentic self in a moment where you know,
Speaker 1: being us just ain't easy. And so, you know, I
Speaker 1: know we I want to say here that I do
Speaker 1: realize that this conversation may overlap with stuff we've talked
Speaker 1: about in the past, but I want to acknowledge that
Speaker 1: when we talked about the authenticity we probably talked about
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three is not
Speaker 1: the authenticity we are talking about it in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: And so I want to make sure that I make
Speaker 1: that very clear that yes, this may be the same question,
Speaker 1: that this may even be something you've heard on a
Speaker 1: past episode, But I want folks to acknowledge that we
Speaker 1: are in a very very different time and that it
Speaker 1: is it's harder that I want to acknowledge to anybody
Speaker 1: to be authentically anything that's not white or cis at
Speaker 1: this point in time is hard. And so you know,
Speaker 1: I think for me before I throw it to you.
Speaker 1: You know, I the way I've been saying I'm taking
Speaker 1: accountability for my authenticity is really reminding myself that I
Speaker 1: didn't fight this hard to get this far and then
Speaker 1: to turn around and go back to being scared to.
Speaker 2: Love this right.
Speaker 1: Like, we've all worked so hard to get to a
Speaker 1: place where we like our nails and we like the femininity,
Speaker 1: and we like our body size, and we like the
Speaker 1: way we look in a mirror. And so I tell myself, girl, like, bitch, Like,
Speaker 1: there are days where I'm like, do I take these
Speaker 1: nails off because I just don't feel like, No, no,
Speaker 1: you take your black ass down to that nail shop
Speaker 1: and get that feel because you've worked too hard to
Speaker 1: get comfortable in those nails. And I think that's the
Speaker 1: thing that has really been keeping me right, is that
Speaker 1: that even when we are scared that we were, you know,
Speaker 1: you were scared when you were tucked away, and you
Speaker 1: were scared when you're not, so you might as well not.
Speaker 1: And so I kind of put this thing in this
Speaker 1: notion of you, like you're damned if you do, you
Speaker 1: damned if you don't. And I think for me, I'd
Speaker 1: rather be damned if I do. And so I think
Speaker 1: that's the thing I keep telling myself is like, if
Speaker 1: they're gonna come for you, make sure that your nails
Speaker 1: are done right.
Speaker 2: Okay, what about you, love.
Speaker 3: Because if I'm gonna be in fear, bitch, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be in fear fabulous. Hello, hello, So because if you
Speaker 3: come for me, a girl, these these nails are, I
Speaker 3: have ten nimes on my hands, girl, Barry, Okay, I
Speaker 3: will come back with evengs.
Speaker 2: Not trying me.
Speaker 3: I told see, you know, I was question because I
Speaker 3: told myself, I committed to myself that if the administration
Speaker 3: was going to be what it was and is, then
Speaker 3: I was going to live more audaciously rightfually to open
Speaker 3: than ever. I told myself that I'm going to exist
Speaker 3: in spite of what's happening around me, and to spite
Speaker 3: was happening around me because I refuse to exist, because
Speaker 3: like I refuse to exist like in fear, I refuse
Speaker 3: to exist in like incompromise, I choose. I choose to
Speaker 3: exist more easily than more visibly than ever, because I
Speaker 3: know that it is important and valuable for for for
Speaker 3: folks like us who look like us, who reflect us,
Speaker 3: to show up and show out in a time that's
Speaker 3: trying to kill us. When that stull comes out in
Speaker 3: a few days, I'll just have been part of a
Speaker 3: celebration for the community that I live in and where
Speaker 3: I was an honery for being a quote unquote fabulous communicator. Okay,
Speaker 3: how are you doing? And that means a communicator as
Speaker 3: someone and i've community communicaiate as one who fights for
Speaker 3: our rights here and use communications were too up with
Speaker 3: dark community, which is been I feel and I believe
Speaker 3: is part of who I am.
Speaker 2: And so to me, like you know, I I'm not.
Speaker 3: Tucking myself away because I think your point right, Like
Speaker 3: I would I like I was already scared in the closet.
Speaker 3: If if if I'm scared, why like being scared in
Speaker 3: the closet won't do anything for me. The what is
Speaker 3: I can do for myself and my people is to
Speaker 3: be scared outside of the closet and be and be
Speaker 3: like and be scared as I get shipp done.
Speaker 2: Like nothing I do is because I feel safe doing it.
Speaker 3: I do it because if I'm gonna be scared, then
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be scared while like like while working my
Speaker 3: hardest so no one else has to live in fear. Again,
Speaker 3: I don't want people to live in fear like I
Speaker 3: am currently or that or like I have before and
Speaker 3: so so yeah so so so to me, I know,
Speaker 3: I am find urge there. I have urges every day
Speaker 3: to be like let me let me just like you know,
Speaker 3: let let let me stay, let me sleep, let me
Speaker 3: not show up today in this thing. But then I'm
Speaker 3: like no, because like because if I don't join the
Speaker 3: people who have done this, and like like when, like
Speaker 3: what am I doing for the people who who who
Speaker 3: come after this?
Speaker 2: You know? I think, I think like.
Speaker 3: Like Mike, Marcia and Sylvia didn't go through the ship
Speaker 3: that didn't go through the ship.
Speaker 2: That that they went through.
Speaker 3: Sibby did not stay on a stage until all these
Speaker 3: gays fucked themselves right and and drag them just like
Speaker 3: just so I can sit back and say I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna do that, right, I do that right now because
Speaker 3: on the line, right, I never pripage work like likely likely,
Speaker 3: who's the say, because I'm you know, I'm not the
Speaker 3: becise checks.
Speaker 2: But like likely, I will stay.
Speaker 3: In the job that I have that I love and
Speaker 3: I feel comfortable and finance. You're secure, so I can
Speaker 3: do these things as well too. Let me fight for
Speaker 3: my community with my privilege.
Speaker 1: That and that's the that is that that's the big
Speaker 1: part of this.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I want to say that too, because I know that
Speaker 1: folks have kind of you know, we've had conversations in
Speaker 1: the past, and folks have left us messages basically saying,
Speaker 1: you know, y'all are coming from a place of privilege
Speaker 1: to be able to say, you know, stay stay visible,
Speaker 1: stay this, you know, when you don't live in a
Speaker 1: state or a city where you're having to deal with
Speaker 1: this stuff. So I want to acknowledge that. I do
Speaker 1: want to acknowledge that a part of this, this idea
Speaker 1: of being authentic today does come from a place of
Speaker 1: we live in socaw where we know we have rights,
Speaker 1: and we know that we have more eyes on us
Speaker 1: that are watching us and protecting us. Right, but I
Speaker 1: do want to say, like, I think that there's something
Speaker 1: to be said about this idea that if you are
Speaker 1: just showing up in yourself and who you are, regardless
Speaker 1: of where you live, no matter what you're having to
Speaker 1: deal with, that is still a form of resistance. And
Speaker 1: that's what we need in order for others who come
Speaker 1: after us to be safe and to be comfortable in
Speaker 1: who they are. And so, you know, and I'll even
Speaker 1: say this, you know, I haven't really gone into too
Speaker 1: much detail about the thought process of my book or
Speaker 1: the thought process of like me putting the specific picture
Speaker 1: I have on the front of my book, right, but
Speaker 1: I'll be I can even say right now, like a
Speaker 1: year ago, when we were going through the schematics of
Speaker 1: what that what that book was going to look like,
Speaker 1: there was a part of me that was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't really want to put a picture on there,
Speaker 1: because I don't want my family to see that book
Speaker 1: and to be like, well, why does John have nails
Speaker 1: and why is John dressed that way? And why does
Speaker 1: John look so feminine on the cover right like that
Speaker 1: was this was before you know that man was in office,
Speaker 1: right but there was a part of me that has said, again, bitch,
Speaker 1: you have worked too hard to get to this book
Speaker 1: for you to tuck yourself away and not allow yourself
Speaker 1: to be on the cover and to be proud of
Speaker 1: what you look like on that cover. And so I
Speaker 1: think I think about that, right like, that is a
Speaker 1: form of resistance for everyone who picks my book up,
Speaker 1: or you know, puts on their makeup or puts their
Speaker 1: contacts in, or do whatever you do to feel like
Speaker 1: you you are a part of the resistance. You are
Speaker 1: the one that is pushing back on what society is
Speaker 1: telling you you can't be. And I think for me,
Speaker 1: that's beautiful. That is what that's what.
Speaker 2: The community needs more than ever right now.
Speaker 1: And so I just felt the need to say that
Speaker 1: because it can feel very scary right now, and you
Speaker 1: can probably be thinking I want to protect myself, but
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that you know that even
Speaker 1: in the mind of protecting yourself, there's still a chance
Speaker 1: that you know it's it's it may not be enough.
Speaker 1: So be out there, be just be, my God, just be,
Speaker 1: just be Okay, So now, that we have reasserted that
Speaker 1: we ain't come this fall to go this fall. Shout
Speaker 1: out to my das Old Red Peloton.
Speaker 2: Y'all know who you are.
Speaker 1: We are going to take a quick break and come
Speaker 1: back with y'all's favorite segment, more of It. Okay, y'all.
Speaker 1: So for this week, our yes ma'am and our nomn PAMs,
Speaker 1: we are Some of them are very very serious and
Speaker 1: some of them are not. But I did want to
Speaker 1: say this so I have this. So for this week,
Speaker 1: my yes ma'am, I wanted to shout out the press
Speaker 1: tour for Clean Slate. I have yet to jump into
Speaker 1: that show. And it's not because I don't want to
Speaker 1: watch it. I'll be transparency. I just have not had
Speaker 1: time to sit down and actually glue myself in like
Speaker 1: to lock into that show, which I that and Scam
Speaker 1: Got Us and a few other shows that I really
Speaker 1: need to catch up on. But I will say, like
Speaker 1: I I watching the press tour, it has really made
Speaker 1: me so happy to see that so many of the
Speaker 1: actors and so many people who are tied to the
Speaker 1: show have said, oh, I had to do my homework
Speaker 1: to be a better person, or I had to do
Speaker 1: my homework to understand the script better, or I had
Speaker 1: to do my homework, or I had to do my
Speaker 1: own unlearning to take this role so I could be
Speaker 1: a better you know, ally or a better accomplice for
Speaker 1: the trans community, specifically the black trans community. And so
Speaker 1: I just I've loved watching the folks connect the ones
Speaker 1: who are not queer specifically, and how they talk about
Speaker 1: the work that they're doing to be better to us
Speaker 1: and to encourage other people in our community to and
Speaker 1: I say our community meaning the black community, to be
Speaker 1: better to black trans women. So I just I'm really excited.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I have a few things I have
Speaker 1: to get done this weekend, but I do have plans
Speaker 1: to lock into it, and I definitely just want to
Speaker 1: shout out, you know, Laverne for everything she's doing, you know,
Speaker 1: to keep black trans representation alive in an industry that
Speaker 1: is also trying to get rid of us as well.
Speaker 1: So with that being said, I Joe, I need to think,
Speaker 1: I wanted to say for my Nomaan Pan, I think
Speaker 1: kind of to our point, and we've talked about this
Speaker 1: kind of up earlier in the show, there is this
Speaker 1: I keep hearing people say, you know, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't need to be fearful. Stop, you know, don't
Speaker 1: be scared. You're okay, You're in California, You'll be fine. No, Like,
Speaker 1: I like, I really need people to stop telling marginalized people,
Speaker 1: specifically black queer people, not to be fearful right now,
Speaker 1: because I want to validate that we have the right
Speaker 1: to be scared, but also to keep being your amazing self.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I want to validate that
Speaker 1: your fear is real because that that it's like, it's
Speaker 1: at the front door right now. And so to those
Speaker 1: who are trying to discount it because they feel like
Speaker 1: you live in a state or you live in a
Speaker 1: place where you may have a little bit more rights
Speaker 1: than the others, just shut the fuck up. No, I
Speaker 1: don't say that to be disrespectful, but I just go,
Speaker 1: like we right now. It's almost like when women say
Speaker 1: that they're terrified of men and or sis men per se,
Speaker 1: and people jump into the comments and tell women, you know,
Speaker 1: or guys school.
Speaker 2: I'm not a bad guy, Like, don't speak for me.
Speaker 2: I'm not a bad guy.
Speaker 1: And it's like no one says you were a bad guy,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about is the systematic fear that women,
Speaker 1: sis women have, even trans women, my God have of men. Right,
Speaker 1: So it's the same concept when you are a person
Speaker 1: who sits in privilege and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like and you tell me not to be scared when
Speaker 1: you know they're not coming for you, Like, girl, shut
Speaker 1: the fuck.
Speaker 2: Someone gonna say I'm not a bad guy.
Speaker 3: I immediately am like, so you are a bad guy,
Speaker 3: right If you gotta tell me not a bad a girl,
Speaker 3: guess what, you're a bad guy like you and gotta
Speaker 3: talk about if you are about it.
Speaker 1: So let's just yeah, yeah, So that's just where I'm at,
Speaker 1: Like I I'm just out of place right now, where
Speaker 1: I'm tired of people telling me, telling other queer people,
Speaker 1: telling other black, red people how they need to feel
Speaker 1: about systems that perpetually gas like them.
Speaker 2: Like it's the same.
Speaker 1: It's it's the same way I watch Beauty and the Beasts,
Speaker 1: I get so mad because everybody was trying to dance
Speaker 1: around Bell and trying to talk her into loving the.
Speaker 2: Beast when he was keeping her against her will. He
Speaker 2: he literally would.
Speaker 1: Not let her out of that castle, and everybody was saying,
Speaker 1: you should just be so grateful to be.
Speaker 2: In the castle bench. Shut the fuck up she is.
Speaker 2: She is a concubine. Let Bell go. I've done a
Speaker 2: lot of thinking.
Speaker 3: This was not, this is not this is a turn
Speaker 3: I thought it was in this episode.
Speaker 2: Just the beas for so many people right now. Belle
Speaker 2: was a concubine. She was big its.
Speaker 1: Her will and people in the city were dancing and
Speaker 1: singing around her like she was not kidnapped.
Speaker 3: The reason while I'm messaging these films like I would
Speaker 3: never trade my voice for a man. But okay, are go,
Speaker 3: go up, says it couldn't be me for some legs.
Speaker 3: Go now absolutely so I can run, so I can't
Speaker 3: run my can't say ship, Why am I going with
Speaker 3: these legs?
Speaker 2: Now? Just march silently. Don't nobody want to be up
Speaker 2: here anyway?
Speaker 1: Because the ghetto, I would say, I'd go to the
Speaker 1: ocean before I go up, go up to earth. I
Speaker 1: wish I could have tapped Airy on the shoulder and said, girl,
Speaker 1: you don't want this, You stay down there, you don't
Speaker 1: want to be up here.
Speaker 2: Keep your voice, keep swimming. God, okay, maam, Pam no man,
Speaker 2: pam is. I'm trying to be serious, but that was
Speaker 2: just funny. I know, man, Pam is just two.
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 3: So I feel like on this Black History Month, people
Speaker 3: have stop trying us as much like and I appreciate
Speaker 3: that no one's saying dumb shit, but also now no
Speaker 3: one's wrong to us, Like I'm like, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: actually I miss when y'all would suck up and y'all
Speaker 3: be fuck up because.
Speaker 2: At least you were trying.
Speaker 3: But now you're like now like now it's like it's given,
Speaker 3: like it's giving me girls, like you're all the plastics
Speaker 3: and we're just like we're all Janz's like, I'm talking
Speaker 3: to us now, so can y'all like y'all just get together,
Speaker 3: like also talk to us, raseell talk to us.
Speaker 2: Every day, please not don't just talk to us in
Speaker 2: Black History Month? Look at yourselves correct and like I
Speaker 2: just like no.
Speaker 3: Man haam to all the people who just like I
Speaker 3: just I'm at a point where I'm just it's like
Speaker 3: I can't help but a low to keep from crying.
Speaker 3: All the folks who keep like who keep like bodying
Speaker 3: our swag just like just to use it and and
Speaker 3: that like it's cool when you do it.
Speaker 2: But like it's not like it's just what it What
Speaker 2: are y'all doing?
Speaker 1: What are you?
Speaker 2: I saw?
Speaker 1: Did you see that TikTok girl dancing to they not
Speaker 1: like us? And I guess she like put her own
Speaker 1: little spin on it. And everybody's been like that is yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but like okay for them, like like when I sent
Speaker 1: you that the girl of singing alter ego but an opera,
Speaker 1: like do I love the idea?
Speaker 2: Yes? Don't you know a white woman singing alter ego?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Like stay girl, stay in your lane. Listen, I don't
Speaker 3: have traffic because I sing in my lane.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now that is a bar. Could you believe fucking world?
Speaker 3: That is that?
Speaker 2: Okay? Bars, I'm just.
Speaker 3: Saying like, you don't want traffic, girl, k in your
Speaker 3: lane and stay there absolutely now my yes, ma'am. Pam
Speaker 3: is also it's silly here we go, but it's going
Speaker 3: to the traders because this show, I know every.
Speaker 2: Week Alan, I'm every week Alan coming is it's calling you.
Speaker 3: Paula was like, hello, Hello, guess what my show is
Speaker 3: eating And you just may not be like no, like
Speaker 3: it's ship like terms of look, every time the drama
Speaker 3: is right, he literally just sits back and does nothing,
Speaker 3: and the drama breathes itself. This episode, last episode took
Speaker 3: me the fuck out because okay, because up until if y'all.
Speaker 2: I mean this is on Tuesdays. Yeah, if y'all have
Speaker 2: not listened to the episodes, y'all show right, has.
Speaker 3: Played a fantastic game. And I will say, this is
Speaker 3: what happens. That's what happens when you when you become
Speaker 3: too stressed about the game.
Speaker 2: Bitch, you fuck up. Because she got stressed and she
Speaker 2: fucked up.
Speaker 3: Right, then y'all be out here doing doing crocodile tears
Speaker 3: this entire time, and this episode she she she tightened
Speaker 3: the fuck up of nowhere, which I mean, go out, girl,
Speaker 3: but also like damn, but but Carolyn, like you set
Speaker 3: yourself up. Girl, You was out here being dumb like
Speaker 3: you made conversations because she fell back against the corner,
Speaker 3: and I get why, right, and so I'm mad about that,
Speaker 3: and I'm mad that she got banished. Bottle was like, girl,
Speaker 3: like you played yourself. But the drama was just so
Speaker 3: because there was a moment where because I was, I went.
Speaker 1: Into this, she could have gotten Danielle out last episode,
Speaker 1: she she really could have.
Speaker 2: She see. The thing is.
Speaker 3: The thing is though like she she's she she said
Speaker 3: to Danielle's faces, I don't trust you, and so would
Speaker 3: you say that girl, she don't have your best interest
Speaker 3: of her like and she I think she I for example,
Speaker 3: I think she was right to say listen not by Brindany, because.
Speaker 2: I absolutely for I absolutely could not which.
Speaker 3: Daniel body, do not sell, do not sell Carolyn out
Speaker 3: Now I do think Brindany will also sell Danielle down
Speaker 3: the river.
Speaker 2: Like that for sure.
Speaker 3: But like but Killen Kellen steid her fate when she
Speaker 3: told Neale that she trust and then she said her
Speaker 3: faving further when she was out here playing the damn
Speaker 3: game girl like like it's that because literally like because
Speaker 3: I don't watching YouTube, but on YouTube day like they
Speaker 3: have videos of the Banished meeting like the Banished meets
Speaker 3: meets the Murdered every episode wow, which is really and
Speaker 3: and then and then and then they they reveal who
Speaker 3: the traders were and the like was reacting to it.
Speaker 3: Every single person that's read these letters are like, Danielle
Speaker 3: is not playing a game, and Killn's playing an amazing
Speaker 3: game and this episode it flipped and the way and
Speaker 3: there's moment where I remement where I was like, because
Speaker 3: so it's okay. So Danielle came to Karlyn hot, she gave,
Speaker 3: she gave receipts and Karen did not have a good
Speaker 3: Jaren did not have a good rebuttal and I was like, girl,
Speaker 3: you have to come in prepared. Then Carolyn got into
Speaker 3: her white girl bag instead of busting out these tears,
Speaker 3: and she that's where she messed up.
Speaker 2: She got from in for a moment and for a
Speaker 2: moment she had me.
Speaker 3: She had like I because I was like, no, Danielle,
Speaker 3: even if I know the truth, I'm I'm I tears
Speaker 3: are working for me.
Speaker 2: But Danielle, But Danielle, and I'll give her this.
Speaker 1: Danielle said, you want to play the tears game, bitch,
Speaker 1: I'll give you tears and gave us just as well too.
Speaker 2: And people were here, but people were out here believing it.
Speaker 3: I don't now, I don't believe Danielle's hears because the
Speaker 3: way she acted when when when when Killen was banished,
Speaker 3: it was kind of like.
Speaker 2: Girl, you're doing a lot. You're doing a lot, a lot,
Speaker 2: like running off the camera. It was the run. The
Speaker 2: run took me out. Why did she run off that
Speaker 2: run in that fucking hat.
Speaker 1: I am so over her and.
Speaker 2: Danielle take them braids down.
Speaker 1: I am sure somewhere in Scotland they have jail for
Speaker 1: you to you to do something unnaturally.
Speaker 3: Look I heard that they I heard that they don't.
Speaker 3: They don't even sit the castle. They sleep in the
Speaker 3: hotel near the street. Girl, go go go down to
Speaker 3: the going down to the to the to the town
Speaker 3: square and for you, like.
Speaker 1: God, noupply real quick, just like I'm sure they got
Speaker 1: Amazon over there. You can on yourself some hairs.
Speaker 2: Allen got money, Alan Allen coming to make it happen.
Speaker 2: Cobody can you have?
Speaker 1: I know you have.
Speaker 2: You have stylists, You have stylist there for somebody. You
Speaker 2: can just make it work.
Speaker 1: I laughed when they said that, uh that the black
Speaker 1: girl stylist left when her hair is fault. Somebody said
Speaker 1: that her hair looks that way because they sent all
Speaker 1: the black girls.
Speaker 3: Listen, because because because because Danielle is I think is
Speaker 3: the last black person.
Speaker 2: She is, and well, black Dolors is still there.
Speaker 1: What she is.
Speaker 2: I will forever call her black Dolors because.
Speaker 1: Of worst She's not black she's but she's black Dlorus
Speaker 1: to me, okay, so because.
Speaker 2: I screamed when he started it and I'm going to
Speaker 2: finish it. She I love Laius. I love the Laurius
Speaker 2: so much. She is too she wins.
Speaker 1: If she wins, I will be so happy. She'll be
Speaker 1: happy because I'm not for anybody.
Speaker 2: So I want to. Tom is the Kocaine, right, He's
Speaker 2: the basic want Tom.
Speaker 3: Tom is fantastic television because he I don't know what
Speaker 3: game he's playing. I know what game he's playing. He
Speaker 3: is playing, not not checkers. He's playing GoFish and they're
Speaker 3: playing chess the way the way he thinks about but
Speaker 3: I'm like, your suspicions are so wrong. And the way
Speaker 3: he thought he was the answer to several questions was
Speaker 3: so fucking funny.
Speaker 2: Who's the leader? I think it's me. I think it's Tom.
Speaker 1: No, No one think that you bo Nobody. Everyone's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I've got pin wheels for eyes. It was so funny
Speaker 1: that boy is jumping. No, could people be like Tomas
Speaker 1: because he's detoalking on the show. The shows very yes,
Speaker 1: it's very evident that he's going through.
Speaker 2: Is wild. Anyways, that's the show is fantastic. It is
Speaker 2: It is great TV.
Speaker 1: And for those of you who have not watched it
Speaker 1: up to this point, so sorry, you know. So I
Speaker 1: was gonna there's one point that I want to make
Speaker 1: and then and then we can go and close show.
Speaker 1: I wanted to say the reason why I forget what
Speaker 1: her name is, the one who won first the first
Speaker 1: season one because he made everybody think that they were
Speaker 1: her favorite person. And that's the game of the Trade
Speaker 1: of Traders that I've learned watching it through the way
Speaker 1: I watch it, you cannot play the game like so
Speaker 1: even though even like I know, everybody was so like
Speaker 1: all up in arms when Boston Bob was a Boston
Speaker 1: Robb com Boston Bob, Boston Robb was there, it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: Boston Robb is here. Where he fucked up? Was where
Speaker 1: when he went after Bob the drag queen. And because
Speaker 1: it became too personal, And so that is the thing
Speaker 1: that I you know, who am I I'm not on
Speaker 1: any of these shows, right, but I've learned by just
Speaker 1: watching this show, like if you're gonna be a trader,
Speaker 1: you have to make everybody believe that even if you
Speaker 1: don't fuck it, you don't fuck with them and you
Speaker 1: don't like them, they still have to end their heart
Speaker 1: of hearts, believe that they are special to you, and
Speaker 1: you just have to play a game of like I'm
Speaker 1: here to be cool with everybody, even if you're not
Speaker 1: cool with people. That's where I feel like all of
Speaker 1: the Traders fucked up, like every like Carolyn's demise was Danielle.
Speaker 1: Danielle's demise is going to be trying to.
Speaker 3: You know, if Britney joins, bing's gonna be your demise,
Speaker 3: which to me is gaggy. I'm like, you came into
Speaker 3: the show bawling your eyes out seeing Brittany because how
Speaker 3: she betrayed you in Big Brother.
Speaker 2: Just just to be on her side. And let me
Speaker 2: tell you right now, she's.
Speaker 1: Gonna turn around and bite you, you saying, way did
Speaker 1: she bid her? And I'm waiting for it. I'm really
Speaker 1: waiting for it. Like I said, all my cards though
Speaker 1: are I'm throwing all my cards into the head of
Speaker 1: Black Dolores.
Speaker 2: I hope she wins.
Speaker 1: So anyway, all that to be said, send us your thoughts,
Speaker 1: your feedback in your email to Blackfatfempott at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: You can also send your thoughts via social media by
Speaker 1: interacting with our post on Instagram and Blue Sky, just
Speaker 1: letting you all know we are not on X. I
Speaker 1: had people say, oh, we don't see you in next anymore.
Speaker 1: We're not on X anymore. That was a personal choice.
Speaker 1: We just felt like it was not a healthy place
Speaker 1: for us to be as a show and as people,
Speaker 1: and so we have we have left, but we are
Speaker 1: on TikTok. We are also on YouTube where you can
Speaker 1: watch these episodes.
Speaker 2: And they are free.
Speaker 1: They are not behind a paywall, so that is, you know,
Speaker 1: kudos to us for not putting stuff behind a paywall,
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of shows out there that
Speaker 1: do so.
Speaker 2: With that being said, Queen Jojo, where can the dolls
Speaker 2: find you? My sweet baby?
Speaker 3: You can find me and Jojo Daniels across all the socials,
Speaker 3: including Blue Sky or my website at join nails dot com.
Speaker 3: If not there, you will find me posing as John's
Speaker 3: pr consultant and the other day coordinator to make sure
Speaker 3: ship does not pop off and we are moving and
Speaker 3: we are moving. Put that book down, bitch, this pitch
Speaker 3: does not belong here. They need to go John, go,
Speaker 3: this is your mark, baby, go right right right, I
Speaker 3: will happily get me together.
Speaker 2: Take it. Okay.
Speaker 3: I'm making sure no one foks at you at this event.
Speaker 3: I've been making sure press no questions. I'm so sorry,
Speaker 3: no questions, and tell John have been briefed, do not. Yes,
Speaker 3: this is not a talk back. This is a talk
Speaker 3: at social in conversation with one questions please nobody else.
Speaker 2: So sorry, thank you for TBH. You ain't go ahead
Speaker 2: of time. There's no questions, cuz.
Speaker 1: Anyway, get in and got get out. Okay, get in
Speaker 1: and get out, my god, buy the book and go home.
Speaker 1: But with that being said, as for me and my household,
Speaker 1: you can find me over at ww dot doctor John
Speaker 1: Paul dot com, where I will be pushing the link
Speaker 1: for folks to buy the book. We have less than
Speaker 1: We're almost what close to thirty days to the release
Speaker 1: of my book, so if you have not pre ordered it,
Speaker 1: you can at my website, or you can hel over
Speaker 1: to Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 2: You can go to your local bookstore.
Speaker 1: I even know people who have friends who work at
Speaker 1: bookstores that they've told to purchase the book and things,
Speaker 1: so that that has been very helpful.
Speaker 2: But thank you so much. Go down to the to
Speaker 2: the on Nines, and to the Googles.
Speaker 1: If you've got twenty five dollars for Starbucks or to
Speaker 1: spend at Target, you've got twenty five dollars to buy
Speaker 1: my books.
Speaker 2: So I just want to make sure that I put
Speaker 2: that out places right now, either of us. So I'm
Speaker 2: just saying.
Speaker 1: With that being said, we want to thank our producer
Speaker 1: be Wang for having all the logistics and keeping the
Speaker 1: show up and running, and everyone over at iHeartMedia for
Speaker 1: supporting us as we continue to take over the airwaves.
Speaker 2: Amen. Amen, Amen.
Speaker 1: We would also like to shout out a wonderful friend
Speaker 1: to the show and editor Chris Rogers, who without them,
Speaker 1: we would not have visuals, you know. So I'm just
Speaker 1: sitting here and I'm going, Beyonce, what what what? What
Speaker 1: is the like?
Speaker 2: What's the what's the end game? Mm hmm?
Speaker 1: What is like? What? Like?
Speaker 2: I want to know now, and I'm not even being messy.
Speaker 2: I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I would love to know what her thought process is
Speaker 1: and not giving us visuals for either one of these albums,
Speaker 1: I want to know, you know, alway.
Speaker 3: I will hold my I'll bite my tongue until off
Speaker 3: the third album drops, which will be out here.
Speaker 2: You are the third tour, but the third tour there
Speaker 2: is not a feature film.
Speaker 1: So you're saying you're gonna hold your tongue to twenty
Speaker 1: twenty seven because you know that's what's gonna happen. Right,
Speaker 1: We'll get the we'll get the album next year, and
Speaker 1: then we're touring twenty twenty seven if we're still here,
Speaker 1: because there is a comment coming our way.
Speaker 2: Listen, there is. They said that there was a comment
Speaker 2: that's coming our way.
Speaker 1: And I just also want to say that there are
Speaker 1: still two people floating out in space that cannot come home.
Speaker 1: I want to know what that's about, too, But anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm a random tangent.
Speaker 2: We need to wrap this shit up. This has been
Speaker 2: another show. This is gonna be speak What are you saying?
Speaker 2: What that's a not NASA? But I come for us, girl,
Speaker 2: you God, we've.
Speaker 1: Got the trouble by so many people in this episode.
Speaker 1: My god, this has been another show. Stay felm and
Speaker 1: fabulous and remember what, Jojo.
Speaker 2: We may not be your cup of tea, but girl,
Speaker 2: but be guess myself, I'll goad drink some water. Anyways, Okay,
Speaker 2: people don't yes something God drink some b wappings. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I love us for real, Bbe