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Speaker 1: a man, I'm for it. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 2: And then and tie.

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Speaker 2: I genuinely wish the verballers out there would have heard

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Speaker 2: the conversation you and I just had about getting our

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Speaker 2: of the times by friend, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm great? Uh, the saved Instagram posts on my phone

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Speaker 1: are just like eleven things to do every morning so

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Speaker 1: this thread through backstretch, this hip loosener, this glute activator. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: slash YouTube backstretch algorithm. Yeah, and I've got multiple of

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Speaker 2: a very important thing. Stability affects you in life, no

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Speaker 2: through will it ever happen? For Dot Dot Dot, Penn State, Tennessee, USC,

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Speaker 2: They've had roster issues to deal with. You mentioned the injuries,

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Speaker 2: And it's not just oh so and so was on

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Speaker 2: I agree. I don't think it's gonna happen next year either,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean's case scenario. I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: And they have one of those I think an underrated

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Speaker 2: Oregon capturing that it this year, one micro, one bigger.

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Speaker 2: The first is what happens if Dylan Gabriel goes down?

435
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Speaker 2: Like I'm not trying to trot the black cat out

436
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Speaker 2: here anything, right, I like Gary Gabriel. We did a

437
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Speaker 2: show I don't know three months ago where I said,

438
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Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel is the best quarterback in college football this

439
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Speaker 2: year given the circumstances, but smaller dude injury history. Hypothetically speaking,

440
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Speaker 2: If that happens, what does it look like? Is it

441
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Speaker 2: Dante Moore who is next up?

442
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Speaker 1: And is oh, yeah, it's there, It's Dante. More to

443
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Speaker 1: the point where during spring I think players were going

444
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Speaker 1: out of their way to say like this this guy's different,

445
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Speaker 1: right that, Like the conversation wasn't fully there's a quarterback competition,

446
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Speaker 1: but that there are two starters on this team at

447
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Speaker 1: Dante Moore's best. Okay, well, that's good for Dante Moore, right,

448
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Speaker 1: That's very good for Dante Moore and the luxury of

449
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Speaker 1: being able to sort of sit and develop and learn

450
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Speaker 1: the playbook and you know, process everything, and in a

451
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Speaker 1: place that he was committed to go to. Yeah, as

452
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Speaker 1: a high school senior anyway, So it seems ideal that

453
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Speaker 1: he doesn't a ton of pressure on him right now.

454
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Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, Dylan Gabriel does have that injury history.

455
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Speaker 1: There were some road concerns, you know, losing Oklahoma State

456
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Speaker 1: the end of the Kansas game last year. Like, I

457
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Speaker 1: think he's very very good and opportunistically, like he's in

458
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Speaker 1: a great place given the receivers, given you know, both

459
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Speaker 1: tackles coming back, a lot of experience on the inside

460
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Speaker 1: of that offensive line. Running games should be strong and

461
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Speaker 1: healthier than it was last year with no Whittington coming back.

462
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Speaker 1: The defense should offer him plenty in terms of opportunity

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Speaker 1: continue time.

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Speaker 2: So let me let me pause you right there. Okay, please,

465
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Speaker 2: I want to get your full Oregon thoughts here. But yeah,

466
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Speaker 2: my bigger, more macro question is about Dan Lanning. Okay,

467
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Speaker 2: is this guy a big game coach.

468
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Speaker 1: Is he a big get? Like, I'm not trying to

469
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Speaker 1: be a takesman here. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like Dan Lanning a lot. I see him on

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Speaker 2: all these lists. Alabama wanted him right. Three losses in

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Speaker 2: two years to Washington. He lost the rivalry game in

473
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Speaker 2: year one against Oregon State his first season, got run

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Speaker 2: off the field against Georgia in his first game, which

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Speaker 2: you know, that's unfortunately a commonality when he played Georgia.

476
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Speaker 2: So I'm not necessarily holding it out against him, but

477
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Speaker 2: I do think that it's a fair question to ask.

478
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Speaker 2: This guy gets much acclaim. I think a lot of

479
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Speaker 2: it's deserved, but winning the big one, getting to that

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Speaker 2: big game, getting Oregon in position to you know, achieve

481
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Speaker 2: something on the national level. Is Dan Landing that guy?

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Speaker 2: Is there something wrong with his approach in the previous

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Speaker 2: instances he's had against Washington? Like, where where do we

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Speaker 2: stand with Landing? As like the dude?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so a couple of things. Washington just put a

486
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Speaker 1: ton of players into the NFL, including I mean, surprisingly

487
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Speaker 1: Michael Penno's in the top ten or nine. Yeah, they

488
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Speaker 1: weren't out class against Washing I think they lost all

489
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Speaker 1: those games by three points. Maybe I think YEP had

490
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Speaker 1: opportunities to win, and we're winning late in all of

491
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Speaker 1: those games. So in his defense, he was not outclassed.

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Speaker 1: To hold it against him is to also say you

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Speaker 1: can pinpoint specific moments that Dan lane was perhaps too

494
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Speaker 1: aggressive before the half at Washington in Seattle. I don't

495
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Speaker 1: really hold it against him in the twenty twenty two

496
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Speaker 1: season when bow Nick's got hurt at the end of

497
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Speaker 1: that game when they were in position to score, and

498
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Speaker 1: so that was a freak occurrence, which again a slightly

499
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Speaker 1: more season coach than Dan Lanning in that moment perhaps

500
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Speaker 1: is up a little bit more or is very quick

501
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Speaker 1: to say, do not run the ball here bo Landing

502
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Speaker 1: and take that hit whatever it is, and there's only

503
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Speaker 1: so much you can do. It's tackle football. Tie. So

504
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Speaker 1: they're in a position to win that game. They're in

505
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Speaker 1: a position, you know, they come back and win the

506
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Speaker 1: Pac twelve. They're in a position to come back and

507
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Speaker 1: win the Pac twelve championship game after starting terribly. I

508
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Speaker 1: just I think there's a lot of optimism internally and

509
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Speaker 1: at Oregon that those are sort of teachable learning moments

510
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Speaker 1: that will be figured out and it'll be much easier

511
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Speaker 1: to figure out, given the depth of talent on the

512
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Speaker 1: Oregon roster, that those moments probably won't be happening. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they won't be happening against Washington this year, and they

514
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Speaker 1: have Ohio State at home, they have Michigan and Wisconsin

515
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Speaker 1: on the road. But all things considered, it's a pretty

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Speaker 1: good opening year Big Ten schedule, and that even if

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Speaker 1: they lose to Ohio State in Eugene, the thought is

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Speaker 1: that they won't finish worse than ten and two with

519
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Speaker 1: this roster and this, you know, the experience and ceiling.

520
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Speaker 1: So I think it's fair to say he needs to

521
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Speaker 1: nail those fourth and short decisions or kick or don't

522
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Speaker 1: kick whatever type decisions. But they're in a sort of

523
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Speaker 1: luxurious place that you know, that's the difference between them

524
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Speaker 1: and a team who went to the national championship last year.

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Speaker 2: By the way, again, I'm not trying to be a takesman.

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Speaker 1: No, it's okay.

527
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Speaker 2: I mean you're not rooting against Oregon. I mean I

528
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Speaker 2: roofers Oregon as much as the next guy. Now, if

529
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Speaker 2: only just because.

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Speaker 1: Well you like when they lose, because more people listen

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Speaker 1: to the show.

532
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Speaker 2: More people listen to the show but I root for

533
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Speaker 2: them on your account this. I don't know if you

534
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: could see this on the on the video organ.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're financially now yeah, now financially committed, which isn't

536
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: good for you.

537
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Speaker 2: I can't I know, probably not in focus. But now

538
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: it's my ten dollars bet for Oregon to win the

539
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 2: National Championship at twelve to one, which I put in

540
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: months ago. At this point, yeah, I love Oregon this year.

541
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Speaker 2: I love them. I love everything about them. I know

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Speaker 2: that there are other teams that have gotten many of

543
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: the headlines here in the offseason, but it just feels

544
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Speaker 2: like Oregon is comically loaded along the defensive line, certainly

545
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Speaker 2: with talent, skill talent on offense. I think the schedule is,

546
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Speaker 2: as I said earlier, kind of favorable to the Ducks,

547
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Speaker 2: especially going into like a new conference.

548
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Speaker 1: It's set up for.

549
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Speaker 2: Them in a way that you could only dream about

550
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: if you're an Oregon fan. And so I think this

551
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Speaker 2: is the I think this is the the immediate window

552
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Speaker 2: for them to get to that Final four. I've already

553
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 2: got them in pencil playoff. I think they start the

554
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: season obviously as a top five caliber team, and I

555
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: think that's going to continue throughout the course of the year.

556
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Speaker 2: They've got the big game mid season against Ohio State.

557
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Speaker 2: That game is in Autin and it's one of those

558
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Speaker 2: deals where as long as they don't get blown out,

559
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Speaker 2: it's not really going to hurt their playoff chances. It's

560
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Speaker 2: one of those games that is going to be the

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Speaker 2: show piece for the weekend, I'm sure, and provided it's

562
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Speaker 2: a close game, it'll tell us a lot about how

563
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Speaker 2: both those teams are going to fare on the national

564
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Speaker 2: stage when they do get to the playoff, because I

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Speaker 2: think both will I.

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Speaker 1: Would go as far as saying that, given the college

567
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: football landscape at the top right now, if Oregon doesn't

568
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Speaker 1: win a playoff game this year, I guess with the

569
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Speaker 1: caveat that, like if it's not you know, Georgia in

570
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Speaker 1: their first game, or if it's not Ohio State or

571
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Speaker 1: something like that. If it's anybody other than Georgia or

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Speaker 1: Ohio State this year and Oregon does not win a

573
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Speaker 1: playoff game for making the playoff, I would say it's

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Speaker 1: a failure of a season. Unless you we're talking talking

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Speaker 1: about you know, Dylan Gabriel and Dante More going down

576
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Speaker 1: or both tackles going down like short of a canashi,

577
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Speaker 1: a short of just bad injury luck. Everything's pointing to

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Speaker 1: this year for Oregon. They addressed the secondary, which again

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Speaker 1: they were beat up in the secondary against Washington. Washington

580
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: did what great teams do and take advantage, but they

581
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Speaker 1: were trotting out fourth and fifth corners at times last year.

582
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Speaker 1: And so if if there's real, if we're assuming reasonable health,

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Speaker 1: everybody has injuries, Oregon not winning a playoff game this

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Speaker 1: year is a failure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan, I want to talk about tis dark horse

586
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Speaker 2: du jure in the Big twelve. Okay, it was a

587
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Speaker 2: current favorite in the Big twelve, by the way, probably

588
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Speaker 2: Kansas State. I'd have to check. Okay, I'll check while

589
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: we're talking. It is not this team. I can tell

590
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Speaker 2: you that much.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you see F. I am UCF Okay plus twelve

592
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Speaker 1: hundred as of May twenty seventh, when the conference I

593
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Speaker 1: have it in front of me. I am.

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Speaker 2: I have an unhealthy, an unhealthy obsession with UCF this

595
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Speaker 2: year and with the program as a whole. I think

596
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: it's in a really good spot. So for context, six

597
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: and seven last year made a Bowl in their first

598
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Speaker 2: games first year, excuse me, in the Big twelve hit

599
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Speaker 2: the portal pretty hard. Per the twenty four to seven rankings,

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Speaker 2: they're second in the conference behind only Colorado. Colorado, by

601
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Speaker 2: the way, had forty two transfers that they took, which

602
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Speaker 2: is great, a ridiculous number UCF at twenty seven, so

603
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: they've hitting it pretty hard. That includes kJ Jefferson, you

604
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Speaker 2: remember him from Arkansas. The linebacking corps this year almost

605
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Speaker 2: completely rebuilt with transfers. They've got to get better against

606
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Speaker 2: the run this season, so it's not a surprise that

607
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Speaker 2: they went out and they hit that side of the

608
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Speaker 2: ball pretty hard via the portal.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they've stocked it with a bunch of

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Speaker 1: defensive linemen though, did that they stock with a bunch

611
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Speaker 1: of defensive linemen, but they went the portal. It went

612
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Speaker 1: hard at linebacker. Yes, I think they saw is like

613
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Speaker 1: one of their areas of need. Obviously they have like

614
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Speaker 1: forty linebackers this here something like that. I think the

615
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Speaker 1: it is playoff qualification for UCF. I think that is

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Speaker 1: the next thing. I know, they're in a new conference.

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Speaker 2: I would expect that I might hear some pushback from

618
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Speaker 2: folks who would say, well, the it's got to be

619
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Speaker 2: just getting into a conversation for the play or for

620
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Speaker 2: the conference, getting into the conversation for the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 2: That wouldn't you start there. I am aiming a little

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Speaker 2: bit higher with this team because the Big Twelve is

623
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Speaker 2: a total crap shoot right now. There is no obvious

624
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Speaker 2: alpha in the Big Twelve. We can talk about the

625
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Speaker 2: likes of Utah and k State and Oklahoma State and Arizona,

626
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Speaker 2: and it's like all of those teams have flaws. There's

627
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Speaker 2: not an obvious Ohio State or Oregon or Alabama situation.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think Utah at its peak seems to be

629
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Speaker 1: pretty accomplished as this. Kansas State, yeah.

630
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Speaker 2: At its peak. But none of those teams are beyond

631
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Speaker 2: the breen Fard game.

632
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: Okay, that's true.

633
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: They just aren't. And so you seef to me is

634
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: very interesting. They're very interesting. They're over under a seven

635
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: and a half this year. They're two toughest games against

636
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Speaker 2: Arizona and Utah, both at home. Later in the year.

637
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: They don't play Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Kansas or Texas Tech.

638
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: Four teams that you know have offense can knock off

639
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: pretty much anybody in the conference. To quote the Great

640
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: Cosmo Kramer, Dan, you don't sell the steak, you sell

641
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: the sizzle.

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00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: That's true.

643
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Speaker 2: And I'm seeing a lot of sizzle on this team,

644
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: a lot of sizzle. This is not a John Rice

645
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: Plumley situation at quarterback anymore.

646
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Speaker 1: Who, by the way, was fine. He was fine. He

647
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: was not pretty good, Yeah he was.

648
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Speaker 2: But I think kJ Jefferson, the best of kJ Jefferson

649
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: is better. And I really like the combination of kJ

650
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Speaker 2: Jefferson and RJ. Harvey in the backfield. That gives me

651
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: notes sure, not saying it's like for like, gives me

652
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: notes of what gusts like to run it at Auburn. Right,

653
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: You've got those two dynamic guys in the backfield that

654
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: you can do stuff with. So I'm really interested to

655
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: see what goes on, especially in the Big twelve now

656
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: that both Texas and Oklahoma are out, because again, there

657
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: is no obvious alpha. There isn't there are good teams

658
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: that we know about that aren't really sneaking up on anybody.

659
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: But I think it's there for the taking, and so

660
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: I'm interested in you seef this year. Notice I did

661
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: not talk about defense and Ted Roof, I did not.

662
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: You can I mean if you want.

663
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: To talk about that, you can. I didn't want to

664
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: bring this conversation down. M h I'm choosing to make

665
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: that my blind spot. But at least with respect to

666
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: what they've done in the portal with some of the talent,

667
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: I know they've got an offense.

668
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: If nothing more, this.

669
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: Season, there will be a very very good offense that

670
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: is very difficult to defend.

671
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: M hmm, full stop. Okay. A couple things that are

672
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: standing in UCF's way, and I absolutely think the ceiling

673
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: in general, maybe not this year, but in general speaking,

674
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: especially if Gus is going to at a kJ Jefferson

675
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: type every so often, where you know the ceiling is huge,

676
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: but can be inconsistent if he's not in a great situation.

677
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: And you know, we talked about you know kJ Jefferson,

678
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: rocket Sanders pretty good backfield didn't work out last year.

679
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: Line wasn't there, line should be I think better at UCF.

680
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: It's defense. It's all defense, and it's all the So

681
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: they what they gack the Oklahoma game, historic gack against

682
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: Baylor last year? Am I missing another close loss Texas Tech?

683
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: I want to say they lose by one, and so

684
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: it's does you see f have a fourth quarter roster

685
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: to win games they should be winning, or win games

686
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: that they're in position to win late. And Gus smells

687
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: on is, as far as I can tell, is he

688
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: the most accomplished coach in the Big twelve by going

689
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: to a national championship winning one as a coordinator? I mean,

690
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: Kyle wins at Auburn.

691
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham's the other obvious candidate.

692
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you have any Kyle Winningham playoff memories? I

693
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: mean there are so many, so any championship memories go on? Yeah,

694
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: So I think the accomplishment is a little bit higher

695
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: with Gus Melson at his best. And all the criticisms

696
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: are valid as well, given some of the offensive predictability

697
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: in some of those Auburn years. But yeah, I when

698
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: will it happen? I think they if they continue to progress,

699
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: make a change of defensive coordinator tonight after we're done

700
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: recording this show.

701
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: Man, what is this ted Roof thing? Ted Roof has

702
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: to have pictures of somebody that he keeps getting these jobs.

703
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: He just has to, don't. I don't know how he

704
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: keeps getting work.

705
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: It's I mean, you can look at UCF last season

706
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: and you can just say, like, if they haven't like

707
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: a slightly below average time defending the run, they're winning

708
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: two and a half more game whatever, Like they're in

709
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: a position to improve for sure if they can protect

710
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: kJ Jefferson. You didn't mention Kobe Hudson who returns so

711
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: I think was a near thousand yard receiver. Yeah, with

712
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: Javon Baker was the one who went for eleven hundred

713
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: plus yards. He's gone. But there's a lot to like

714
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: about UCF ceiling. I still think they're probably tracking behind

715
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: Cam Rising in Utah. Cam Rising potential eighth year of

716
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: eligibility next year, but the ruling, maybe he's gonna hang

717
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: around to play with his son, like Lebron. I have

718
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: no idea of Cam Rising even has a son, but

719
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: let's assume Cammi Rising like Brownie James. Yeah, it's Cam

720
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: Raising son and he's fourteen. I think you the best

721
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,479
Speaker 1: of Utah, the best of Kansas State right now, there's

722
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: firepower over all over the conference with Arizona's offense, with

723
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: Kansas's offense. I'm sure I'm leaving other teams out, but

724
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: UCF is uniquely positioned given the geography. Given gusmels On

725
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: give an ability to attract quarterbacks or improve and develop quarterbacks.

726
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: That and stringing together top twenty ish, top twenty five

727
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: ish classes no less, that plus twelve hundred feels a

728
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: bit right. They're like sixth or seventh right now in

729
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: terms of twenty twenty four title favorites. But I would

730
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: be disappointed if I were a UCF fan. Yeah, you

731
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: see fan. I'm terrified of calling them USF. I would

732
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: be disappointed if I don't win this conference by twenty

733
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: twenty six. Seven something in there.

734
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. I mean, we talked earlier before

735
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: we hit record about the situation that Gus Melson finds

736
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: himself in. Now.

737
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 1: Schedule's tough this year, by the way, schedule.

738
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: Is Toughish man Toughish, tough THO. I think there's just

739
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: it's deep in quality. It's deep in quality. Again, the

740
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: toughest games, I think are at home. But there are

741
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: land mines here. There are land mines here, And this

742
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: is not a finished product. I don't want to pretend

743
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: as if it is right. Certainly, if the ted roof defense,

744
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: if the ted roof defense is the ted roof defense

745
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: this year, that schedule will be made much harder because

746
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: ted Roof doesn't really play defense, despite the fact that

747
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: he keeps getting work. That's kind of the X factor

748
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: for this. But I do think that the timeline to

749
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 2: be in that playoff conversation, which by extension also means

750
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: a conference conversation because of how this whole thing is

751
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: set up, I do think that it's a pretty tight

752
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 2: time window for them to get there. I don't think

753
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: it's far off. I don't know if it's this year.

754
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 2: I like them this year. I don't know if it's

755
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: this year that they're in that conversation, that might be

756
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: a bit too soon. But I think within the next

757
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 2: five years for sure, playoff playoff conference. Absolutely, this program's

758
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: in a good spot.

759
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, they made they could start one to three this year.

760
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: By the way, if the defense doesn't get figured out,

761
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: if they're not tackling sideline to sideline with I think

762
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: it's at Florida Colorado at TCU after Sam Houston to

763
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: start the season. Like defense is still a pretty major question.

764
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: We'll see what the transfers. I'm always willing to allow

765
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: some leeway for transfers figuring it out, and maybe it

766
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: takes a couple of games to really feel confident in

767
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: a new place. But you see it certainly to me

768
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: still has the ceiling because of what you can do

769
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: with that roster.

770
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: We got two teams left here, Dan, Yes, why don't

771
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: we do Georgia Tech?

772
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: Okay, Georgia Tech, I've got the.

773
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: It being eight regular season wins?

774
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: Okay?

775
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: Are you still holding firm on your November conference conversations

776
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: as the it?

777
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: When are we having the Georgia Tech? Like, ooh, this

778
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: is weird. Georgia Tech seven and two.

779
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: They're a little like South Carolina, aren't they a little

780
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: like South Carolina? From the scheduling standpoint, the schedule's always

781
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: like a murderer's roe. They've got the rivalry game at

782
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: the end of the season, much like South Carolina's got Clemson.

783
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech's got Georgia clean old fashioned hate. So that

784
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: doesn't help. It feels also like the teams around them

785
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: in the ACC are improving, whether it's Florida State or Clemson,

786
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: who have been good for a while now, obviously in

787
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: Clemson's case, but Miami's improving. Louisville took a big step

788
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: forward last year. NC State kind of a big unknown,

789
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: but a lot of excitement around that program. We talked

790
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: about them a few weeks ago. Virginia Tech, maybe even

791
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: Syracuse is fran Brown. They're recruiting really well right now.

792
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: Tech is also much like South Carolina, one of these

793
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: pain in the ass teams. Their pay, They play hard

794
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: for Brent Key. They have They had close losses last year.

795
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: They could have been better than they were from a

796
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 2: win loss standpoint. I think they're closer to that eight

797
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: win number than South Carolina, if only because the ACC

798
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: is not the SEC, and I think that they've done

799
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: a little bit more to balance out that team. Huge

800
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: jump forward last year on offense. Defense has struggled ninety

801
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: seventh nationally. Last season, they allowed close to thirty points

802
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: a game. Got to resolve that if they're not going

803
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: to improve on defense at a minimum, they're going to

804
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: need more playmakers on offense so they can keep pacing shootouts. Also,

805
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: even if they can improve marginally on defense, they're still

806
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: going to need those playmakers. Can't rely on Haines King

807
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 2: for everything. They're still going to need more skill talent

808
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: that can help them fe a little bit better on offense.

809
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 2: So I feel optimistic about the state of this program.

810
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: I think they're doing a good job. I like the

811
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: fact that they showed real fight last season, and they

812
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: have since Brankee got there, I mean since he was

813
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: named kind of the head dude. They have played really

814
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: hard for this guy, and it feels like it's been

815
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: a slow, gradual build. But they are up against that schedule.

816
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: They are up against all the challenges built in with

817
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 2: recruiting the Georgia Tech which is not the easiest place

818
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: to recruit too. Proximity to talent is good. A couple

819
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: like warring factions here on the Georgia Tech side that

820
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 2: stand in their way of I think reliably getting to

821
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: that eight win plateau. How do you feel.

822
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: Something else standing in their way? Bowling Green State University.

823
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: Time you lose last year to Bowling Green, you rely

824
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: on Mario Cristobal absolutely barfing up a game to get

825
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: to a bowl game. Let's let's try to provide as

826
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: much Georgia Tech context as possible. I'm trying to win

827
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: the ball game. Won the bowl game a couple of

828
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: touchdowns I believe against ucf fellow team on this episode,

829
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: but that is some of what the twenty twenty three

830
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: season entailed. Crystal Ball barfing and a lost of Bowling Green.

831
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: The crystal barf is going to go down in infamy.

832
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: Man. That was Yeah.

833
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: So did you see by the way that the College

834
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: Football twenty five game, like it gives you a like

835
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: when it's mathematically impossible for the other you can kneel

836
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: and it just plays it out for you. Great, And

837
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: everybody was joking Miami doesn't have I think it's not

838
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: applicable to when you play as Miami.

839
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that one that was pretty good.

840
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: So Georgia Tech schedule, like there's again deep in quality

841
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: this year. And this is not a twenty twenty four

842
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: preview per se, but you're just like you mentioned the

843
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: Georgia thing, it's Florida State and Dublin and then whatever

844
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: you think of first year Syracuse games on the road,

845
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: games on the road against Louisville, Duke, North Carolina, Notre Dame,

846
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech, Miami, n C State, Georgia to finish out

847
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: the year, like Georgia Tech needs to be noticeably better

848
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: on defense. They allowed thirty eight to Bowling Green last year,

849
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: like they just they need to be so much better.

850
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: These transfers need to come through in a very big

851
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: way for Georgia Tech. And I think they hired Duke's

852
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 1: co defensive coordinator, Tyler Santucci. I just assume JMU quarterback. Great.

853
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: It just sounds like Tyler Santucci transferred like he was

854
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: in the Ben Denucci trade, Santucci Danucci. So I'm hopeful

855
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: that because I I kind of, you know, Brent Key

856
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: resonates with me a little bit. If Haynes King can

857
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,959
Speaker 1: throw fewer interceptions and they can figure out quarterback long term,

858
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: I think they're another school that kind of needs to

859
00:43:53,880 --> 00:44:00,479
Speaker 1: be in that Shane Beemer portal quarterback whisper space. But yeah,

860
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech to me is a a lot of catastrophe

861
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: has to happen, not that the ACC is all that stronger.

862
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: And look, it might get weaker in the next few

863
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: years with Clemson and Florida State and some future lawsuits.

864
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: We'll see, but it's hard to see that Georgia Tech

865
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: path right now. To that November conversation, and if it

866
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: doesn't happen this year, with the experience of Haines King,

867
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be squarely in that. Will

868
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: they won't they Russ Rachel November Bowl conversation like, I

869
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: just I think we're going like, well, Georgia Tech's five

870
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: and six heading into the Georgia game. We'll see what happens,

871
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: or they're you know, five and four, you know, mid

872
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: novette like it. It's hard to see them breaking out

873
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: of that with as you mentioned at the top of this,

874
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: like what the floor kind of looks like in the

875
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: ACC right now. We'll see with Boston College, we'll see

876
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: with Syracuse, we'll see with Virginia. You can pencil in

877
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: some of those and Pitt doesn't seem to be trending

878
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: in the right direction at the moment. But if you

879
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: get a schedule like this year's where it's just like, well,

880
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: Duke might be pretty good right year one, given what's

881
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: coming back, given what they were able to recruit, a

882
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: quarterback like UNC might be like any given week, Max

883
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: Johnson could look like a Heisman and could look like

884
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: a you know, a high school all star. So I

885
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: am I'm holding out hope that Georgia Tech is somebody

886
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: new to be in the a SEC conversation, But I

887
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm gonna see. I need to see like

888
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: a top fifty defense from them, something like that.

889
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: The defense. The defense is problematic. Yeah, the defense is problematic.

890
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: And again you just you can't put it all on Haines.

891
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: Hanes.

892
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: King's got some injury history as well. Sure of course

893
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: Terry should mention. And they just they need more of

894
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: a supporting cast. If they're going to play shootouts, they

895
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: need more skill talent to step up. If they don't

896
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: want to play shootouts, they got to prove they can

897
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: fix the defense. They still need the playmakers. It can't

898
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: be on one guy.

899
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: So fourteen transfers in thirty two out for Georgia Tech

900
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: this past season. Again, I don't hate it. I mean

901
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 1: not all of these dudes were ending up at huge

902
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: places after leaving george Tech, so maybe there's a reason.

903
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: But roster turnover, much needed improvement on one side of

904
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: the ball. Too many turnovers, a little bit of luck,

905
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of not clearly not there yet for

906
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. So I would say, how many years, realistically

907
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: will it take to get to eight wins if that

908
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: is your perceived ceiling for Tech? And maybe that's you know,

909
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: it's seven and two in early November and in that

910
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: top twenty ish conversation, but by the end of the

911
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: year after George, after somebody else. They're eight and four.

912
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: I think we are probably at least two years away,

913
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: given some of these schools trending in interesting direction. So

914
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: that's my case. I think they're squarely in that five

915
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: to seven wins right now and until we see some

916
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: more star power, until we see some like winning the

917
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: close ones on their own accord. Not again Mario barfing

918
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: it up. I think it's twenty six.

919
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's going to be the quarterback after

920
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: Haines King. Yeah, and that's nothing against Haynes King. I

921
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: like Haynes King.

922
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: I think, by the way, get DJU in Dublin, that's

923
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: pretty good.

924
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

925
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: As for situational football, August twenty fourth, Dublin DJU Ultimate Wildcard,

926
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: A ton of new guys for Florida State. Florest State.

927
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: It's good this year, but weird things happen.

928
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: I know on the aisle. Come on, I asked Nebraska man. Yeah,

929
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: all right, final team here is the Notre Dame fighting Irish. Okay,

930
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: the it is winning a playoff game.

931
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: Agree. What questions do you have.

932
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: For me about Notre Dame? Because I asked you the

933
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: Oregon Ones?

934
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: Sure?

935
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: What is front of mind for you about the state

936
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: of this program in the immediate future, foreseeable future in

937
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: terms of getting to that plateau.

938
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: Better than Marshall? Yay, nay? Are we at that point confident?

939
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 1: Should be okay?

940
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 2: Good? I am confident.

941
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: Yes, that's one box checked. Let me take out my

942
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: rule brick. Okay. So the question with Notre Dame is

943
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: pop on offense and playing paying Mike Denbrock a ton

944
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 1: of money. I think they got a bunch of quarterback talent.

945
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: Riley Leonard as a wildcard athlete slash like the best

946
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: of him as a passer is very dangerous, best of it. CJ.

947
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: Carr quarterback of the future. That's a check on my

948
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: rubric that like they are looking like they are a

949
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: team built to compete to win playoff games, perhaps plural

950
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: in the near term. Defense continues to look quite strong.

951
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: The corners are. If they're not the best corner duel

952
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: in the country, they're one of the best three or four,

953
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: probably as Ben Morrison is the All American I think

954
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: on one side, not to be confused with Ben Harrison,

955
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: former President Benjamin Harrison. To me, it's will they find

956
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: a receiver, Will the offensive line come together? And given

957
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: what the talent disparity eventually look like when Notre Dame

958
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: would play Clemson, when Notre Dame would play Alabama, when

959
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: Notre Dame would play Ohio State, like, do they have

960
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 1: the depth of comparable talent regardless of what the recruiting

961
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: rankings say, because on the field it appeared that even

962
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: with top ten type classes that Brian Kelly would string

963
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: together for long stretches, it looked like they didn't belong.

964
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 1: It was forty one three against Clemson in the bowl game.

965
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: It was ugly in the ACC Championship game in twenty twenty.

966
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: Obviously we know the Alabama games plural. So actual, is

967
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: this an actual roster built to compete or another you know,

968
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: eleven to one against Boston College, Stanford, Virginia Tech type team.

969
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 2: I mean, as for the playoff itself, if you're talking

970
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 2: about winning a game in the playoff, this is where

971
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: I think we need to reframe the conversation a bit,

972
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: because more often than not, over the four team era,

973
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: we'd see a first round matchup against who Alabama or

974
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: Georgia or Clemson.

975
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: It'd be glaringly obvious. As you mentioned that there was

976
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: and belonged against Georgia on the field a few years ago,

977
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: like the Jake FROMM team. Yeah, sure belonged on the

978
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: field for sure.

979
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: Sure, but we have seen more than our fair share

980
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: of instances where the talent gap was overwhelming. It was

981
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 2: obvious if you were watching at home, if you watched

982
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: through out the year, you knew that this game was

983
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: sort of a foregone conclusion. Not so much the case

984
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: last year. I'm not saying last year is the best

985
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: example of this, but over the decade that we had

986
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: the four team playoff, we saw many games like that

987
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: where it was just too much for the underdog to overcome.

988
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: Those types of teams in this new format are either

989
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 2: getting a first round by or like a home game

990
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: against Tulane also in this format, because Notre Dame can't

991
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: get the first round by they're not in a conference, right,

992
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: we know how that works. We can detail how that

993
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 2: works at some point in July. That talent disparity should

994
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: not exist against whoever they're gonna end up playing in

995
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: the first round. That is not to say they will

996
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 2: win those games, but I'm saying, if.

997
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: All goes according to the player, Notre Dame is.

998
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: Not gonna be playing Alabama. Notre Dame's not gonna be

999
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: playing Ohio State in Round one of the playoffs. They shouldn't.

1000
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: And so if that talent disparity comes into play, maybe

1001
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 2: it's down the line, maybe it's in the final eight,

1002
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 2: the final four. But in terms of winning a playoff game,

1003
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: this is my way of saying, they really don't have

1004
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: an excuse. They don't have an excuse. They've got a

1005
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: ton of talent. The recruiting has remained very, very strong.

1006
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: If they don't make the playoff this year as a failure.

1007
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: Big time, Yeah, absolutely, because of the roster, because of

1008
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 2: the schedule. The absolute four for Notre Dame this year

1009
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: should be eight and four. And that's if Riley Leonard

1010
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: rolls his ankle and they're starting Steve Angelli or Kenny

1011
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: Minshe or the CJ guard, the true freshman. That's everybody

1012
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 2: getting hurt contracting the bird flu on top of it.

1013
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: Eight and four. That's how you get to eight and four.

1014
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: The reality for Notre Dame this season and why I

1015
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: think the timeframe for when this will happen needs to

1016
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 2: be this year. Notre Dame's toughest game is probably first

1017
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: week of the season on the road at Texas A

1018
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: and the big ones the rest of the way are

1019
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: Louisville at home, Florida State at home, and USC on

1020
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 2: the road to close out the year. They should be

1021
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: better than all those teams. Dan, I agree, they should

1022
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: be better than all of those teams. There's no way

1023
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: they're losing all four. They shouldn't, barring any kind of catastrophe.

1024
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: Notre Dame should have every opportunity to achieve that quote

1025
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 2: unquote it in December of this year, the year of

1026
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 2: Our Lord, twenty twenty four. This should be that time

1027
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 2: horizon for them.

1028
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: Do you think they're overrated in the top five ish

1029
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: conversation right now? Yes, we're talking about Yes.

1030
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: I do. I do. I saw Arid tweeted some stuff out.

1031
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: I see people putting out their their pre season you know,

1032
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 2: hype rankings, their engagement, farming, whatever it is. No, I

1033
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: don't think they're the top five. I don't. I think

1034
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: the top ten comfortably okay, but I'm not comfortable putting

1035
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: up that high. And it's because of the line. You know.

1036
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:20,959
Speaker 1: My biggest question.

1037
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 2: Is is Joe Alt off to la Well, it's not just

1038
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: Joe alt it's Blake Fisher, they lose both their tackles

1039
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: this season, and the one kind of common thread throughout

1040
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: I think spring practice and much of what I've been

1041
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: able to read from you know, Pete Sampson and Brian

1042
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: Driscoll and like all the guys that cover Notre Dame

1043
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: intimately much more so than you and I, it's they've

1044
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: got a ton of talent. They've recruited very very well

1045
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: on the line, but they're all very inexperienced. There's a

1046
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 2: lot of inexperienced. So case in point, their new starting

1047
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 2: left tackle has one start, one career start, highly recruited. Yeah,

1048
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: I think is going to be fine, true sophomore, one

1049
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 2: career start. That makes it harder. On the other side,

1050
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 2: filling in for Blake Fisher looks like it's going to

1051
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: be Tosh Baker, who's a fifty year guy. When he

1052
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 2: gets beat, he tends to get beat very badly, but

1053
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: most of the time he's pretty good. And so that's

1054
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 2: the type of conversation we're having as opposed to what

1055
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: was last year the case where you know you're just

1056
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: going to hand the ball off to Adrick estimate you

1057
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 2: try and beat people's brains in with your offensive line.

1058
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: And that worked to I think a pretty good extent.

1059
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 2: It became predictable. And I'm hopeful that this season, because

1060
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 2: of Riley Leonard, because of you know, talent out wide

1061
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: that I found very promising at least in the context

1062
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 2: of spring football, that there's going to be a little

1063
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: bit more balance in how they constitute this thing this year.

1064
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: But you know, they really don't have that many excuses.

1065
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 2: They've got to fix the line, they certainly need to

1066
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: have some playmaker step up out wide, but I think

1067
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: they have better options this season than they've had the

1068
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 2: last couple of years running. And so if it doesn't

1069
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: happen this year, there is an outstanding question of well

1070
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 2: it happen at all from Marcus Freeman.

1071
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: If it doesn't happen this year, is Marcus Freeman Notre

1072
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: Dame's coach next year?

1073
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 2: I think it depends on the manner in which it

1074
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: doesn't happen. So if there's an eight and four situation,

1075
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 2: then then maybe we talk. If it's ten and two,

1076
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: they get to the playoff and they lose a close game,

1077
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 2: he's still the coach because they're recruiting at such a

1078
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 2: high level. They're recruiting right now at a ridiculous level.

1079
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 2: They still have the top class in twenty twenty five.

1080
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: Likely that will change by the time the dust settles.

1081
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 2: We know how this works, but the recruiting has been

1082
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: incredibly strong on the Notre Dame side of things, and

1083
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: I don't think they want to interrupt that as long

1084
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 2: as they're seemingly is progress from year to year. And

1085
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: it might happen this year because of you know, new

1086
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 2: coach running the offense, new quarterbacks, some new talent coming

1087
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 2: out White Like, we may see a big enough step

1088
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 2: forward on those sides that even if they don't win

1089
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: that playoff game, it still provides enough of a proof

1090
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: of concept, like yeah, this is it's.

1091
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: Taking a minute.

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00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: Every fan wants to go quicker, but it seems as

1093
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: if they're building towards something greater.

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00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: Is do you consider Marcus Freeman to be an asset

1095
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: or liability on Saturdays? I guess it's a that's a

1096
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: different way of me asking the Dan Lanning question to you,

1097
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: because of they ran out of gas against Louisville, they

1098
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: needed every second to beat Duke on the road, which,

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00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: by the way, uh subplot after that last year's game,

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00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: say hey, next year, it's be Riley Leonard and Notre

1101
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: Dame against Mike el Mike Elco in Texas AY game

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00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: one on the road. Yeah, game one. So that's that's

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00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: a fun little sidebar. But given Marcus Freeman on Saturdays,

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00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: given Marcus Freeman and his hiring thus far, I think

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00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: Al Golden has seemed to pretty much work out on defense.

1106
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: But three offensive coordinators in three years now, paying two

1107
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: million dollars plus to Mike Denbrock, I think that's the number. Yeah,

1108
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: that's the rumor. Two points. You know, some some ugly

1109
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: close games, ugly losses. The Clemson game look offense looking

1110
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: like it's a mess most of that game. Where's your

1111
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: confidence in Marcus Freeman as like a spearhead for Notre

1112
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: Dame right now? Well, I think he's other than the recruiting,

1113
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 1: other than the recruiting and recruiting strong. I think he's

1114
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: learning on the job. I think he's learning on the job,

1115
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: and I think he very much still has the confidence.

1116
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: Of the team. There's no reason he shouldn't at this point.

1117
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 2: I think his moves by hooker by crook to get

1118
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: Jared Parker out of there and bring in Mike Denbrock

1119
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: I think that was savvy. I think that was savvy.

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00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: This is not me saying that I am totally sold

1121
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 2: that Mike Denbrock is suddenly now a wizard after a

1122
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 2: previous stint with Notre Dame in which he very much wasn't.

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Speaker 2: But I understand that there are circumstances across the board

1124
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 2: that we'll get a better look at Mike Denbrock this

1125
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: year to see what he's truly made of when he's

1126
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: calling the shots.

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00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also Malik neighbors Brian Thomas and Kyraen Lacy

1128
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: and Jane Daniels are now walking through that into that door.

1129
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: But I think for sure den Brock's a big upgrade

1130
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 2: over what they had.

1131
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: I agree.

1132
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 2: How confident am I in Freeman? I am much more

1133
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 2: confident now than I was in year one. I feel

1134
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: like he has gotten better. I feel like some of

1135
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: the stuff that has plagued him is so well publicized

1136
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: at this point. Some of his mismanagement, like what we

1137
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: saw in the Ohio State game last year, like some

1138
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: of those little things I think have taken time to

1139
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: work out.

1140
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: But I feel like he is.

1141
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 2: Getting better as a coach, and I'm hopeful that by

1142
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 2: putting people around him that have veteran experience getting rid

1143
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: of the Jared Parker thing like which last year never

1144
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: really synced up and always felt like it was in

1145
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 2: conflict with the line and their blocking schemes, and there

1146
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 2: was something very out of sync on offense. And I

1147
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: think that had an unfortunate effect and kind of like

1148
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 2: cascaded down throughout the team. I'm glad that they moved

1149
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 2: on there. I think moving on there will make him

1150
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: better as a coach. I think there's enough talent here

1151
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: that this is the year, this is the year to

1152
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: go to the playoff and win.

1153
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: So, who's in Notre Dame's tier right now? Nationally? If

1154
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: you're like saying, in your mind five is overrated, you

1155
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: know they should be in top ten ish. I assume

1156
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: it is where your brain is right now. So are

1157
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: they in like the Texas tier? Or is Texas a

1158
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,919
Speaker 1: tier above Missoo? Or is Missoo a tier above Oklahoma?

1159
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: Like what the version of Michigan we expect this year,

1160
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: which is mostly still good. I think tier where they I.

1161
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: Think they're a notch above Penn State, Okay, And I

1162
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 2: would say.

1163
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: A notch below a team like a Texas. Okay, you know,

1164
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: they're like, who's in your first tier?

1165
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 2: They're like the seventh or eighth best team in the country. Okay,

1166
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: So who's who's that first tier? Is it George Ohio

1167
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 2: State only, Georgia only, George, Ohio State, Texas, Oregon?

1168
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: Like who is that?

1169
00:59:54,800 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 2: It's Georgia, It's Ohio State, It's Oregon, it's you know,

1170
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 2: probably Texas. On the back end of that, Okay, teams

1171
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: like that.

1172
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: Okay, so they are on the next tier with like

1173
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: Bama Oklahoma in somewhere.

1174
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 2: I might go a notch above. Oklahoma's got a lot

1175
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: of I would still put Bama probably in that top

1176
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 2: five as well. Okay, but they might be kind of

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01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 2: on an LSU level. Okay, ish LS you have more

1178
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: talent last year, but.

1179
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: Big, big defensive questions for LSU.

1180
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, kind of kind of in that back

1181
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: half of the top ten type of year.

1182
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: I think that's reasonable. Okay, So when will it happen.

1183
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: It will happen this year. It should happen in December,

1184
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: gonna happen, it should happen. It should happen like December

1185
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: twentieth or fit whenever. The first rount of the playoffs

1186
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: are this year. That's when it should happen. That's when

1187
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: it should happen, and I think they'll have every opportun unity.

1188
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: The schedule is quite favorable. I read it off like,

1189
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: if they are not getting to the playoff this year,

1190
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: we're having a different conversation.

1191
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they should be. They should be eleven in one,

1192
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: ten two at worst.

1193
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: Fair enough.

1194
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: What do you think? Do you agree?

1195
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean my Rubric has quarterback in defense. Riley

1196
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: Leonard has had two surgeries since the middle of last

1197
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: year or something like that. Ankle. Ankle is the issue.

1198
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 2: I think, yep, yep.

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01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: He does not have to be a pinpoint passer. He

1200
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: does not have to be a Heisman caliber passer. He

1201
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: just has to be. In the conversation of some of

1202
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks in the nation, if offensive line continues

1203
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 1: to develop, they should be able to run the ball,

1204
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: they should be able to develop receivers. Tight end. Isn't

1205
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: a good place quarterback and defense against this schedule. If

1206
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: they win nine games with assumed reasonable health, I think

1207
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: that's a failure.

1208
01:01:54,640 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, by your Jeremiah love Stock now Notre Dame's running back. Okay,

1209
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 2: because if you look at as we do returning production numbers.

1210
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 2: A big chunk of that production that walks out the

1211
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 2: door is audric estimated, got drafted by the Broncos. But

1212
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 2: they need a new Alpha to step up. They just

1213
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: had an injury. Jabron Pains down for the ear with

1214
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 2: an acl that he hurt in the spring, and so

1215
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 2: you know they've got Shadarian Price who's still there. But

1216
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Loves the one who's got the wiggle man. He's okay,

1217
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 2: he's my dude. So I think the combo and they're

1218
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 2: going to rotate guys in. It's not just going to

1219
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 2: be one guy, I would assume. But the combo of

1220
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 2: Riley Leonard, who can use his legs and there's a

1221
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 2: pretty good passer. Might not be a pinpoint accurate passer,

1222
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 2: but it's pretty good. The reason that everybody wanted him,

1223
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 2: the combo of him in the backfield with Jeremiah Love,

1224
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 2: hopefully with some new receiver talent that I think most

1225
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 2: Notre Dame fans are are encouraged to read about the Spring.

1226
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 2: There's a lot good. There's a lot right there. If

1227
01:02:55,640 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: the Lion can get itself together and avoid any huge mismatches, yeah,

1228
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 2: should be December.

1229
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: All right, you heard it here first. We'll know a

1230
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: lot more of by December. He says, yeah, that's right.

1231
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 2: All right, So we've got five more teams that we're

1232
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 2: going to do in the part two of this conversation.

1233
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 2: On the Thursday episode, we're going to go through Auburn,

1234
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 2: Old Miss Wisconsin, Utah, and Virginia Tech. On our next

1235
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 2: episode that is coming up later this week, we're also

1236
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: going to put a call out on Patreon. We're going

1237
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 2: to put a call out across literally every social media

1238
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: post or platform, whatever it is that allows us to

1239
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 2: post it. We're going to do a mega two part

1240
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 2: June mail bag next week, So think up those questions.

1241
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 2: We'll post it in all the relevant spots. We want

1242
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 2: to add you to our conversation solid Verbal at.

1243
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: Gmail dot com.

1244
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 2: Thank you Dan, of course, very dramatic. Stay tuned to

1245
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: the social media platforms as well, where you can post

1246
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 2: in text questions.

1247
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: Do not text Hi, send Taia Tech. Be cordial, be polite.

1248
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: You can text our reaverblind you know.

1249
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: Wait at the front door of every Wegmans you can

1250
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: find in Eastern Pennsylvy.

1251
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 2: Eight five five verbal three, oh yeah, is the phone number?

1252
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: So if people want to call in and leave a

1253
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 2: voice message with a question, or if they want to

1254
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 2: text in, I can check that as well.

1255
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: All right, any recommended stretch bring it full circle, Ty,

1256
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: what's been working for you.

1257
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 2: I've been doing a ballerina stretch. To be honest with you,

1258
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 2: tell me what that is. I'm showing you for the

1259
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 2: camera right now. But it's one of those deals where

1260
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 2: you you kind of you stand up, you cross your legs,

1261
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 2: you put your hand on one hip, and then you

1262
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 2: kind of just lean like you're a little teapot, a

1263
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: little bit a little bit of a teapot short and stout.

1264
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're not pouring.

1265
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 2: You're going in the other direction. Yeah, you know, you're

1266
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 2: kind of pushing the hip out. I've been using that

1267
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 2: to stretch what I believe is called a QL or

1268
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: QT must something in your back m hmm, on the

1269
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 2: side of the spine, and that's really hampered the golf game.

1270
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 2: You know. I've been trying to I've been trying to

1271
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 2: set up a golf match with our friend Richard Johnson

1272
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 2: from No. He's not ducking me. He's had stuff go

1273
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 2: on where he's you know, he's been busy the last

1274
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, and so we're trying to schedule a

1275
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 2: golf round somewhere in Jersey. If anybody's got any like

1276
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: Central North Jersey golf course recommendations, hit us up and

1277
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 2: let me know. But I've been trying to get this

1278
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 2: back in order so that I don't embarrass myself when

1279
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 2: I go out there. And uh, last week, I think

1280
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: I finally turned a corner with this glute bridges. Tie

1281
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 2: my ballerina stretch. Yeah, I haven't done the looloot bridge yet.

1282
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the lower back. Take it for me.

1283
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: Local podcaster Dan Rubinstein hips hips and glutes and hammies. Yeah,

1284
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: act that James correctly.

1285
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 2: Gotta activate the glutes. Yeah, of course, all right, listen,

1286
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 2: We're going to do this again on our next episode.

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Speaker 2: It was fun to go through and do some more

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Speaker 2: advanced research on teams that we're going to preview in

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Speaker 2: about a month or so. More to come on that front.

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Speaker 2: Send in your comments, send in your questions. As always

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Speaker 2: with the verbaler hood, we know you guys, We love

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Speaker 2: you guys. We appreciate your feedback. Hit us up, let

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Speaker 2: us know what your thoughts are. Okay, yeah, for that guy,

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Speaker 2: over there, Dan Rubinstein, myself, Ty hilen Brandt talk to

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Speaker 2: you all on Thursday. In the meantime, stay selling peace,