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Speaker 2: Welcome to the twenty twenty three Patriots Unfiltered Draft Show

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Speaker 2: presented by Aristocrat Gaming.

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Speaker 3: Is your worth moving up?

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Speaker 4: For?

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Speaker 5: They kind of are? And he moved my needle a

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Speaker 5: little more.

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Speaker 6: You keep your needle, work your lighthouse. Your lighthouse get bigger.

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Speaker 5: With this draft. My lighthouse just keeps getting bigger. I

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Speaker 5: don't know the Patriots set to take linebacker Marty Mapook.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know that.

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Speaker 6: Joe says. Evan is doing a great job. He seems

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Speaker 6: to be on another level of expertise. His nonsense could

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Speaker 6: use a little word, a little too professional. Can we

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Speaker 6: fight about tides or something?

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Speaker 3: I was told Sasta couldn't score goals?

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Speaker 7: That's your show is that's ridiculous? No one ever says

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Speaker 7: he can't. A guy with sixty goals can't score a goal?

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Speaker 7: Where where is he?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 7: Where is he?

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Speaker 6: Ben?

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Speaker 7: He's had a terrible scene. Are they're supposed to pretend

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Speaker 7: he's played?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 7: Now you're just making crap up? Sixty goals can't score?

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Speaker 3: Yes, your show said that you're a very defensive brand.

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Speaker 2: My god, this is the twenty twenty three Patriots Unfiltered

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Speaker 6: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, the twenty twenty three

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Speaker 6: Draft Extravaganza. It's day three. We're alive at Gillette Stadium.

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Speaker 6: It's me. It's Mike Dussau, Evan Lazarre, Paul Pirillo, Matt

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Speaker 6: Lapan and Matt Morrell and the booth. And we'll be

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Speaker 6: here for two hours until four o'clock Eastern time, catching

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Speaker 6: you up with everything that the Patriots have done since

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Speaker 6: we signed off last night and what they're doing today. Uh,

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Speaker 6: and we do have some picks made today in the

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Speaker 6: fourth and fifth round. So who wants to be the well,

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Speaker 6: the bearer of good news.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'll set it up for maybe Evan, but

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Speaker 5: I think everybody would be happy. They've addressed the offense

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Speaker 5: today a little bit.

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Speaker 3: That's that's a Joe cram, just like they're.

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Speaker 5: It was a Joe I'll do it. I'll do it.

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Speaker 5: So they grabbed a couple offensive linemen, Jake Andrews the center,

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Speaker 5: and then they grabbed the kicker as well, Chad Ryland

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Speaker 5: one twelve and City soo was the other offensive lineman

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Speaker 5: needed some interior depth. And then I'm gonna preface this

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Speaker 5: with you know, I know everybody was longing for tight

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Speaker 5: even maybe tackles. But I do think it's worth saying

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Speaker 5: that they didn't really have any depth behind their interior

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Speaker 5: offensive line. So I look, we can talk about was

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Speaker 5: this the right time for these guys, and YadA, YadA, YadA,

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Speaker 5: but I do think a little bit of a need.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, are you surprised in the fourth round they picked

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Speaker 3: Not really. That's the only thing that didn't surprise me

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go the other way, Mike. I canna allow

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Speaker 3: you to spend the positive side of it barely. This

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Speaker 3: fourth round is quite frankly, it's a major disappointment. I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna put it to people that way. It's a major disappointment.

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Speaker 3: We can prepare a year or two ahead at center

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Speaker 3: Not a single one of these players that they drafted

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Speaker 3: Nobody's staying up at night thinking about Juju Smith Schuster.

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Speaker 3: So the additions that they've made on offense in the

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Speaker 3: nothing to do with this season. And they're still, for

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Speaker 3: They went in the interior of the offensive line. It's

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 6: I hear what you're saying day two. I like what

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Speaker 6: So I like what they've done the first two days.

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Speaker 6: Today is just you know, it's just whatever.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just want to mention that I believe the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the Patriots Jets just picked. So the Patriots with

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Speaker 7: The only fifth round pick to their scheduled to have

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Speaker 7: I don't think much was done to help the current

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Speaker 3: I just the Patriots I wanted to see.

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Speaker 7: I wanted to see at least some help on offense,

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Speaker 7: and like Evan said, that the players they took on

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Speaker 6: Yeah, like I said, I think they I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 6: they did try to move up to get a tackle

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Speaker 3: Okay, But but can we not let them off the

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Speaker 3: to make it work out so they can go get

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Speaker 3: to let them off the hook for that. Like that,

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Speaker 3: we can do it. I know you can't include a

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Speaker 3: to get it over the hump. I don't understand how

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Speaker 3: that that. How did you not.

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Speaker 5: Get it done?

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Speaker 3: Was there no trade partner or did you just not

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Speaker 6: I don't know why, Like you said, were they not

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Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure there was an effort to move up,

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Speaker 6: With his versatility, I think that in today's NFL he

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Speaker 7: I think that's special.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to jump into this right as they

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Speaker 5: make Oh I like that pick. Actually yeah, no, this

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Speaker 3: So what's doing here?

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Speaker 6: Roy?

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Speaker 7: That's not who the pay.

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Speaker 5: A tribal guy.

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Speaker 3: A really good week at the Shrine Bowl. On the

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Speaker 3: Patriots side of things, another guard problem. But you just

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Speaker 5: First round or last year, and you have Michael and

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Speaker 3: that they've taken, and I think that he's somebody that

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Speaker 3: a pass catcher or a tackle Like, I just don't

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Speaker 3: If you take three interior offensive lineman, the fourth and

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Speaker 3: making the team now, like how many of them are

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Speaker 3: going to carry on the on the roster. You already

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Speaker 3: have what four or five tackles that you're thinking of

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Speaker 5: So I just, I mean, I'm beside it. It seems

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Speaker 5: that Michael, and when you's gone right like this, this,

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Speaker 5: I mean, why would you resign him now at this point?

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe you're right, Mike.

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Speaker 7: U and they've already in their mind saying, well, we're

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Speaker 7: not going to design this guy. Yeah, And in some

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Speaker 7: ways I would respect that because it wouldn't be repeating

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Speaker 7: what I think was an error from about three or

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Speaker 7: four years ago when you invested all that money in

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Speaker 7: Shack Mason and Joe Toney, two really really good players,

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Speaker 7: Tony and Mason, really really good players. But you'd like

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Speaker 7: to think you wouldn't have to invest that kind of

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Speaker 7: capital in your your two guards. And maybe they've looked

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Speaker 7: down that road again. I don't know, Like I kind

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Speaker 7: of agree with Evans's point though, like why can't you

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Speaker 7: have like an extra tight end who might actually get

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Speaker 5: I mean, you look at twenty twenty four, there's no

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Speaker 5: That's multiple very important positions that have no real long

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Speaker 7: Now and for the after and for twenty three. You're

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Speaker 3: End and the other guy is gonna play.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, two of those four are gonna be I would

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Speaker 5: Really well, hey, let me tough.

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Speaker 7: That's asking a lot.

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Speaker 3: I think, I just don't I guess my my whole

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Speaker 3: You mentioned that they only have what two receivers under

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Speaker 6: Where?

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Speaker 3: Where is the guys under contract there? Because now we

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Speaker 7: So I was just I'm sorry, Mike. And this is

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Speaker 5: How many super interior offensive line over the last three years.

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Speaker 7: you know, like Jack Mason was a fourth round pick

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Speaker 7: once upon a time. You know, Ted Karris was a

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Speaker 7: every team drafts backup potential backup offensive lineman in Day three.

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Speaker 7: But they've done it a lot, and I don't think

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Speaker 5: Before today started, I kind of came to peace with that.

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Speaker 5: over at the receiver position for Mac. Like you're gonna

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Speaker 5: But but but, like just to push back a little

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Speaker 5: You know, Like I think that ship out of sales

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Speaker 5: totally get the point, but not to me. I just

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Speaker 5: hard for him. It's just it's hard to like provide

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I the ship is sailed on terms of

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Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers. There is a slew of Jacoby myers is

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Speaker 3: couple of picks. I've been patting the table for a

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Speaker 3: guy like Charlie Jones, who went to Cincinnati Shocker. You know,

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Speaker 3: team that knows good wide receivers took Charlie Jones that

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Speaker 3: that's a player that I think could come in here.

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Speaker 3: They are envisioning him as somebody that replaced Tyler Boyd

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Speaker 3: So I think there are still guys out there that

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Speaker 3: now near the top of the board in terms of

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Speaker 3: want to hear that they that you, oh, there's nobody

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Speaker 3: saying any of them are going to come in and

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Speaker 3: You still got to take guys even though you know

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Speaker 3: they're not necessarily going to be day one game changing

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Speaker 3: impact players. Do you think do you think it's possible?

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Speaker 5: And when you goes back to right tackle, because that

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Speaker 5: almost seems to make more sense than any of all

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Speaker 5: of this it's just a log jam at guard.

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Speaker 3: It's good, don't It's a good outside the box though.

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Speaker 6: It's a good thought, ye something to say?

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Speaker 5: Do you like that that idea? I don't really care

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Speaker 5: because I just don't think any of like me.

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Speaker 7: I feel I feel better about one of that group

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Speaker 7: and playing left guard.

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Speaker 5: Right guy right right right. A rookie fifth rounder is

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Speaker 5: not going to do it on when you did. I

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Speaker 5: mean you might be lucky to find that.

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Speaker 7: Now the uh what's it? Mafi Antonio Mafi right? Yes,

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Speaker 7: he's a uh a Sarah High School graduate? Oh all right,

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Speaker 7: Sarah High School? Sure, so what could go wrong? Also

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Speaker 7: they bill just can't help.

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Speaker 5: They got a type. They got a type that tackle

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Speaker 5: to These guys are all built like on one you

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Speaker 5: you know, they're all just like six to three and

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Speaker 5: a square.

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Speaker 7: That's different.

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Speaker 3: I actually really like it too, Mafe.

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Speaker 7: Everything I've read about him, this is exactly where everybody

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Speaker 6: Like the pick. I know.

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Speaker 5: I actually really liked him in Vegas too.

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Speaker 3: I thought he was one of the best offensive lineman

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Speaker 3: I just didn't need the other two guys on top

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Speaker 3: of it, like you know, he just yeah, just take

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Speaker 3: I understand, take one or two of them, don't take three.

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Speaker 3: I mean it. It doesn't need to be like this,

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Speaker 3: Like he's the best one out of the group, I think.

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Speaker 7: And someone you think about right tackle there, dude, somebody's listening.

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Speaker 5: Someone's listening, nothing like playing.

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Speaker 6: Well, they're going to upright that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I guess they were going to try to

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Speaker 3: Let's get a bunch of fifth round picks and see

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Speaker 3: if we can keep him. No, I'm just kidding. I

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Speaker 5: I just wanted to to go back though for a second,

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Speaker 6: You actually had a chance to meet them.

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 5: I did, and and I don't want anyone to think.

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Speaker 5: I know it's my thing that when I meet a

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Speaker 5: All of a sudden But but I will say I

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Speaker 5: I really kind of like this Mampu kid. And I

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Speaker 5: Is he redundant? Maybe a little bit, But if I

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Speaker 7: Are you playing it?

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Speaker 4: On?

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Speaker 6: Playing him?

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Speaker 5: Maybe linebacker?

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Speaker 6: I don't think.

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Speaker 7: I don't think he's redundant. Then I don't think they

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Speaker 6: That's what question, Paul. I think they look at him

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I just don't think he's like it's

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Speaker 5: It's it's it's totally reasonable to say, you know, he's

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Speaker 5: and to think that he's going to be anything close

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Speaker 5: Like if you're obsessed with football, this is the place

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Speaker 3: If that's all.

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Speaker 5: And you heard him last night, that's what he is.

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Speaker 5: So I'm just intrigued by him. As for Keon White,

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Speaker 5: I feel like if in success, he's a big, movable

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Speaker 6: Oh.

442
00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,040
Speaker 5: I think this is great to trumpet it, but I

443
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,560
Speaker 5: think that there possibly could be something there with Mapoo

444
00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:14,280
Speaker 5: if he can make the jump.

445
00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't even bother watching Mapoo at Sacramento State

446
00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,520
Speaker 3: because quite frankly, I don't really care what he did

447
00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,320
Speaker 3: at Sacramento State. But his film at the Senior Bowl

448
00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,920
Speaker 3: was fantastic, and I think the things that you notice

449
00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 3: about him, we were talking about it on the way

450
00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,760
Speaker 3: down here, Deuce is just he's got those little, quick twitch,

451
00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,760
Speaker 3: explosive movements where when he moves you can just see

452
00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,840
Speaker 3: it kind of suddenly changing directions and clicking into things.

453
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,840
Speaker 3: He's got great closing bursts going downhill as well. He

454
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,560
Speaker 3: made a couple plays at the Senior Bowl, one where

455
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,479
Speaker 3: it's a lead play with the full back and he

456
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,960
Speaker 3: just takes out the full back. He just goes right

457
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,680
Speaker 3: downhill at the full back and blows up the entire

458
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 3: play by taking out the full back. And then you

459
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,600
Speaker 3: have some real athleticism and change of direction ability and

460
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,960
Speaker 3: coverage as well. He's a linebacker. He's a second level player,

461
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 3: and I think the only concerns that I have about

462
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,399
Speaker 3: him are one that the peck like that's gonna be

463
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,879
Speaker 3: a thing that is gonna plague him his rookie season

464
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 3: in terms of development. Is he going to be able

465
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 3: to absorb enough information to contribute in twenty twenty three

466
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 3: if he doesn't start camp right away.

467
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,400
Speaker 5: The other thing is it's them.

468
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 3: Are they going to play a two hundred and twenty

469
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 3: pound linebacker a lot like? Is he going to be

470
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 3: somebody that they are going to be willing to take

471
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 3: a Jalani to vie off the field and put a

472
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty pound linebacker on the field. I

473
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 3: am not convinced that they will do that yet until

474
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 3: I see it. If they I see what they see

475
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,399
Speaker 3: in Mapu, I see what every A lot of people,

476
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 3: you know, Daniel Jeremiah, smart people than me, have said

477
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 3: this kid is a diamond in the rough. They really

478
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,479
Speaker 3: found something here with Mapu, and I agree. But is

479
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 3: Bill a type of coach that's going to put that

480
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:51,640
Speaker 3: skill set?

481
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:52,160
Speaker 6: Yeah?

482
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 3: On first down?

483
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 6: Bill was you know, he talked last night and we

484
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 6: should probably talk about that a little later too. His

485
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 6: comments last tonight, but you know he mentioned, you know,

486
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 6: he was asked about, you know, where do you play

487
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,360
Speaker 6: this guy? And you know, Bill said, you know, he's

488
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 6: already thinking ahead, and he's you know, it just depends

489
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 6: on the opponent in the matchup. And I, like I said,

490
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 6: I I do think that there are certain situations and

491
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 6: these guy's not going to be on the field all

492
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 6: the time, that he can help this team this year

493
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 6: on defense, not just special teams. Paul, you know, against

494
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 6: certain opponents and in certain situations.

495
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 7: I think you're arguing with me. I'm not really arguing.

496
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 7: I have no doubt that they think that.

497
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 6: No, but every time I said that, he said, yeah,

498
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:30,719
Speaker 6: that's special teams.

499
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 7: That's what I think he'll be. I know, but but

500
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 7: I don't think that they drafted a guy in the

501
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 7: third round that they think is going to be a

502
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 7: special team So I hope not.

503
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 5: I think they think he can fill a role on defense.

504
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 3: I think I would fill a role on defense based

505
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 3: off of what he did at the Senior Bowl. But

506
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 3: what role is that to them?

507
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 7: They've got the Johns, not any man there as big

508
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 7: on the Senior Bowl as they are, Let's just put

509
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 7: it that way.

510
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 5: What role is that to them?

511
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 3: With a guy like Mac Wilson comes in here last

512
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 3: year and he had inconsistencies in the same way that

513
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 3: I think MAPU will in their system. Map Who's one

514
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 3: big thing, even at the Senior Bowl, is that he's

515
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 3: a little bit raw in terms of his ability to

516
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 3: diagnose plays. He sometimes gets pulled out of the out

517
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 3: of a you know, passing lanes, or is a step late.

518
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 3: But he's quick and fastened so he can recover quickly.

519
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 3: But to them it's you know, like what we saw

520
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 3: last year with Mack Wilson, with Lamar Jackson, right, they

521
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 3: put him in a blender and he didn't know where

522
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 3: he was going and then we never see him again.

523
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 6: See that's where like that kind of worries me. The

524
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 6: slow to diagnose, because I think in my mind, where

525
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 6: he helps you is to be that key reader out

526
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 6: there that he can adjust what he sees and you know,

527
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 6: get to the play quick quickly, whether it's pass run

528
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 6: you know, whether the Patriots are in zon or man

529
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 6: you know. And but he has to be that guy

530
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 6: in the field that covers a lot of ground quickly.

531
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 3: He's the opposite. His his ability is that once he

532
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 3: clicks in, he's shot out of a can into the football,

533
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 3: but it seemed like it took him a couple of seconds. Now, granted,

534
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 3: at jumping speed at the Senior Bowl, you're thrown right

535
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 3: into a brand new defensive system. To you, you're you're

536
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 3: not studying the offense coming into the into the week

537
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 3: that you know what you know their keys are, what

538
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 3: their lineman do and play action and things like that.

539
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 3: So maybe with that coaching behind the scenes they can

540
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 3: help them out in that regard. But the other thing

541
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 3: that you know stood out was there was one rep

542
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 3: or where John Michael Schmid's the center from Minnesota, I

543
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 3: think got drafted last night to screen pass and he

544
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: runs them over. And I'm just thinking to myself, if

545
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 3: he gets run over in practice by David Andrews or

546
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 3: Mike on Winno on a screen, they're gonna sit his

547
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 3: butt on the bench. They're gonna say, no, we can't

548
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 3: do this. We can't have a guy that's gonna get

549
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 3: run over in the open field because we're the Patriots

550
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 3: and we like linebackers that are take on guys Juwan Bentley,

551
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 3: Landon Roberts like, that's our skill set, that's not Mapu's

552
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 3: skill set. So I love the player. I actually really am.

553
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 3: Out of all the players that they've picked, he's thrown

554
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 3: on me the most since they've picked him. But the

555
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 3: question is is are they going to Are they going

556
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 3: to conform. They've conformed in the draft by taking a

557
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 3: player like this, but are they gonna conform on the field?

558
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 6: And I wonder, you know what Gerard Mayo's role will

559
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 6: be with this guy? You know, because Gerard Mayo, we

560
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 6: all know, he was one of the smarter guys out there.

561
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 6: You know. Uh, they called him Little Bill. He loved

562
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 6: to watch film. You know, will one of his jobs

563
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 6: this year be to help this guy adjust to the

564
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 6: NFL and learn the defense and to make him a quicker,

565
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 6: you know, quicker out there mentally.

566
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 5: I mean, it's a great question. I mean, and that's

567
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 5: you know, I wish we had a chance to talk

568
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 5: to Gerald. We talked to him yesterday or two days ago.

569
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 5: I've lost track at this point. You know, I'm sure

570
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 5: that will be I I just think it's a big

571
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 5: jump to go from Sacramento State to the Senior Bowl.

572
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 5: You're not getting the coach those guys, so he's gonna

573
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 5: I mean, I think all everything Evan said is is

574
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 5: you know, not all that shocking for a player, you know,

575
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 5: to make that jump. Can he can he take the coaching.

576
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 5: The other point I would just make is, you know,

577
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 5: are the Patriots willing to sacrifice some of that physicality

578
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 5: for some speed and at a certain point, Hey, maybe

579
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 5: he's gonna get run over by a center, but maybe

580
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 5: he's also gonna get Lamar Jackson and beat him to

581
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 5: you know, to the corner and be able to yelling.

582
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 3: They need more speed, they need more His ability to

583
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 3: go downhill to either to run through a blocker or

584
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 3: run through the ball carrier is legit. This guy can

585
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 3: finish on the football. So I really like his game.

586
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: And I think the main thing is is that he's explosive.

587
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 3: He's an explosive linebacker. But he's a linebacker. He's not

588
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 3: a safety. I don't want him playing the deep part

589
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 3: of the field that he doesn't have that kind of

590
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 3: a straight line speed. But in terms of that just

591
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 3: what you need to be a linebacker in that phone

592
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 3: booth to make guys miss and then go ahead and

593
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 3: shoot out of the cannon and get the football. He's

594
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: got that skill.

595
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 6: I think maybe we also, I think we underplayed a

596
00:25:53,840 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 6: little bit Keon White. I think this guy is, you know,

597
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 6: nasty smart. I think I think he's another guy that

598
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 6: in this defense where you know, the more you can do.

599
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 6: They like versatile guys no matter where they are. He's

600
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 6: gonna be able to play a few positions up front

601
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 6: at at a fairly high level.

602
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think too. And I made the

603
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 5: point last night, I brought up tight end, and I

604
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 5: think I think it was kind of mistook. It's just

605
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 5: that I think he's a little bit more new to

606
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 5: this side of the ball, and so I do think

607
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 5: that there is a little bit of a learning curve.

608
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 5: I just don't really know what to expect. He checks

609
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 5: a lot of boxes physically, versatility, the mean look on

610
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 5: his face that just comes as advertised. I mean, he

611
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 5: just looks like the guy you want coming off the

612
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 5: bus first. How's it all going to translate to the pros?

613
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 5: I just I don't know. I mean, it could go

614
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 5: kind of anyway for me. There's a lot of traits

615
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 5: to like I just don't see, like the overwhelming consistent

616
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 5: power that that is, you know, jumps off to the

617
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 5: tape when you put it on of him.

618
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: That's exactly how I felt watching him the first time

619
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 3: and the second time even before they drafted him, is

620
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 3: it just doesn't pop. It's just not I don't see

621
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 3: anything that's like, oh my goodness, this guy's does this

622
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 3: and it's so good.

623
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 7: Right.

624
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 3: But he's a solid, well rounded player. I think that

625
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: has a lot of athletic upside. I think I maybe

626
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 3: understold his his upside. I didn't realize how well he

627
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 3: actually tested at the combine. He tested extremely well for

628
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 3: a defensive lineman. And he does have some upside there

629
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 3: in terms of if he can learn technique, And he

630
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 3: talked about that last night when when the reporters had

631
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 3: him that you know, he is pretty raw still, you know,

632
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: in terms of technique and pass rush plan and diagnosing

633
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: things and things like that. So maybe they feel like

634
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: he just needs some seasoning and then they can maybe

635
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: get a little bit more out of him in terms

636
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: of splash.

637
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, he doesn't, I mean, and he seems he seems

638
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 5: like a sharp guy too. The other thing, I mean,

639
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 5: he's not Trayvon Walker. Travon Walker was a freak with

640
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 5: freak measurables. But like I just I see him similar

641
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 5: like dreams of what Trayvon Walker would be in this

642
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 5: defense of you know, he would be like a b

643
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 5: version of that potentially like that kind.

644
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: I think the biggest a Walker, Trayvon Walker, was loose.

645
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 5: He was like six inch on. I mean, he was

646
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 5: a freak.

647
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: He's a flexible guy. This this The biggest thing about

648
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 3: Keon White to me is that he's a linear athlete.

649
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: He's stiff like he's he's a downhill player. He's not

650
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: somebody that you want moving side to side. If you

651
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 3: have him, you pin his ears back and run through

652
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: the pocket.

653
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 5: He can do that.

654
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 3: But if you're asking him to dance out there or

655
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: you know, be josh Uja and throw a bunch of

656
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 3: different moves on a guy and go around him, that's

657
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: just not really his game.

658
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 7: I thought last night when we talked about White, I

659
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 7: mean I thought we all sort of agreed that we

660
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Speaker 7: thought he was a good player. Yeah, I just didn't

661
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Speaker 7: know if we understood necessarily the need for the fit.

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Speaker 7: And we talked a little bit about Dietrich Wise and

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Speaker 7: you know, Fred had mentioned that he fell off a

664
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Speaker 7: little bit. You know, I think that's the kind of player.

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Speaker 7: But I think he can play. Yeah, I think he's

666
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 7: a good player. I think, yeah, you know it's exactly

667
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Speaker 7: where you know, most of the prognosticators, not that they

668
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Speaker 7: know it's exactly where that they had them slated. I

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Speaker 7: like the player. I'm just not sure how much they

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Speaker 7: needed that.

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Speaker 6: talk a little bit about what Bill had to say

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Speaker 6: Right back here, Patriots Unfiltered. The Draft extravaganza will be

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Speaker 6: shut off our cameras and go to just audio.

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Speaker 7: NF cameras were on.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, well you.

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Speaker 5: Wear your Sunday's best.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: No, I didn't care about that, but this way address

696
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Speaker 7: every day. But I didn't realize that they were on.

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Speaker 7: I hope I didn't make any you know, nose pickings.

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Speaker 7: Well that eye rolls, no more like obscene gestures. Okay,

699
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 7: you know, get in trouble with team analysts.

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Speaker 6: Nate writes, since so looking through the lens of look

701
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Speaker 6: at what they do, not what they say. We are

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00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 6: going to use a committee approach to receiver. I don't

703
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 6: love it, but if we're dinking and dunking, we just

704
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 6: need guys to catch the ball and find soft spots.

705
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 6: We still want to have a run first offense, even

706
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 6: with Billy Oh being here making interior line depth a

707
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 6: little bit more important. BB wants to see if mat

708
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Speaker 6: can lift the talent around him like Brady did, to

709
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Speaker 6: see if he wants to move on. I don't think

710
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Speaker 6: it's fair, but I think his philosophy is just throwing

711
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Speaker 6: him in the deep end instead of teaching him to swim.

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Speaker 6: Defense is gonna be fine. It was fine last year.

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Speaker 6: I love the secondary as is. They make plays and

714
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 6: Bill will make sure he causes chaos for opposing offenses.

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Speaker 6: We got a guy similar to Judon, Kean White getting

716
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 6: in to get some new tools from Judon, which I

717
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 6: like a lot. I don't know what that means.

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Speaker 7: I don't think there's atween.

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Speaker 6: They have a very pliable defense in terms of formation.

720
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 6: I think they like to have a lot of options

721
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Speaker 6: depending on what the other team shows. I think if

722
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Speaker 6: we use the draft to phill holes, not give the

723
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Speaker 6: team a higher Madden rate. That's just how Bill seems

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Speaker 6: to draft. Not exciting, But in Bill, we trust.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I can't believe.

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00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: I can't believe we're still doing that.

727
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Speaker 7: Can I ask a question? And this is a legit question,

728
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 7: and this is not Paul snark, Why, if you're a

729
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 7: running team, is the need for depth in the interior

730
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 7: offensive line more important?

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Speaker 5: You got to make sure you can run the ball.

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Speaker 3: I've got to have some guards that can pull.

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Speaker 7: Backup, backup guard, right, he said, depth of interior offensive line?

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Speaker 7: Why is because because I gotta tell you, if I

735
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Speaker 7: want to drop back forty five or fifty times, I

736
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 7: want to make sure I have depth at my offensive

737
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Speaker 7: line just as much as I if I want to

738
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Speaker 7: run it thirty five or forty.

739
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I actually his point about receivers by committee, I don't

741
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: necessarily see it that way. I personally think that they

742
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: are really banking on a year or two jump from

743
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Speaker 3: Taekwon Thornton, and then also that they really feel like

744
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 3: Juju Smith Schuster is a significant upgrade over Jacoby Myers. Again,

745
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 3: we all think I doubt that they think that. We

746
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: all think it's marginal. I think that he's a better player,

747
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: but marginally better. I think they might think that Juju

748
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: is in a different tier that I.

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Speaker 7: Think they got mad at Jakobe Myers last year. And

750
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 7: I'm dead serious when I say that. I think they

751
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 7: got mad and they got emotional, and that's impossible. I

752
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 7: think it's simple as that they're talking themselves into this

753
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 7: massive upgrade.

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Speaker 5: And Taekwon.

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Speaker 7: Now, the Thornton thing, I understand, like that's a second

756
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 7: round pick. Last year, he gets hurt, you know, in

757
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 7: the preseason, gets off to a little bit of a

758
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 7: slow start, never really found his footing. They probably feel

759
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 7: like there's there's some growth there and I can understand that. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: to me, Juju Smith Schuster is what he is at

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Speaker 7: this stage of his NFL career, fair like what he

762
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Speaker 7: is is what he is.

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Speaker 3: But the upside in that room is Taekwon, right like that,

764
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Speaker 3: because you're not adding upside in the draft.

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Speaker 7: So I think I might have said it to you

766
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 7: guys off air about that, like you know, next year,

767
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 7: this time, you're going to think a lot differently of Taekwon.

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Speaker 7: It may be a lot better or it might be

769
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Speaker 7: a lot worse.

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Speaker 3: When I when I was doing some stuff on Billy

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Speaker 3: Oh when when they brought him back, the immedia thing

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Speaker 3: that I thought about with Taekwon was, Okay, he's not

773
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: as good. But Jamison Williams at Alabama two years ago.

774
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: They they're built very, very similarly, and they both have

775
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: ridiculous speed. And you're just watching the way that Bill

776
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: O'Brien was able to get Jamison Williams off the line

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Speaker 3: of scrimmage and get him away from contact and just

778
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: allow him to outrun people all over the field. You

779
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 3: got to think that they're both six foot one, they're

780
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: both not exactly big guys in terms of their frames,

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Speaker 3: and they both can fly. So even though I think

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00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: Jamison Williams is a much better player than Taekwon Thornton,

783
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Speaker 3: I think that you can at least have some overlapping

784
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: roles and how they're used. And that did get me

785
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: a little bit excited about how like, I don't think

786
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: it's silly to be to be bullish taw Thorton, no.

787
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Speaker 5: But to be but to be fair, I don't think

788
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 5: we really saw much out of him last year to

789
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 5: get we decided you know, maybe maybe you know in

790
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 5: camp there were there were a couple of catches. You know, hey,

791
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 5: he's pretty good actually, you know, tracking the ball and

792
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 5: and you know, spacing and getting it over the shoulder.

793
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 5: But that was kind of you never really saw the

794
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 5: speed on.

795
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Speaker 6: One game was a good game for him, but he

796
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 6: had a lot of drops. I just remember going over

797
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 6: the middle in Minnesota and just dropping that he hears footsteps.

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00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, And I mean, and it's worth wondering

799
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 5: what's Billy a gonna do with him? You know, what's

800
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 5: an experienced offensive coordinator going to say that sort.

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00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 7: He won't send him on shallow crosses. So you can

802
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 7: get light.

803
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: But that's sort of my point is that the system

804
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 3: that he was in last year, there's no way unless

805
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 3: you were justin Jefferson Good that you were probably going

806
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 3: to succeed as a rookie wide receiver in that system.

807
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 3: And now you're getting put in not only just a sophisticated,

808
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 3: real NFL system, but you're also with the coach that's

809
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: had players of your ilk before. I mean, some people

810
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 3: have gone back to like Will Fuller with the Texans

811
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 3: right and looked at how Bill O'Brien schemed him open,

812
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 3: So maybe they can get some opportunities for Taekwon down

813
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: the field. But the one time I remember that he

814
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 3: did get open, he dropped the pass. It was I

815
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: think it was against down the field, Sincinnattie or Miami.

816
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 7: It was late season.

817
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they in the season or not. I'm not

818
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: going to say who it was. But I was in

819
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 3: the locker room and I said, uh, oh, you know,

820
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: we're trying to get you, get you loose right in

821
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: the open field of Taekwon, And somebody on the Patriots said, well,

822
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: we did, but he dropped the ball and I was

823
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: just like yikes, Like man, you know, even your you

824
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: own teammates saying stuff like that. So I think that

825
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 3: there was a lot of pressure on him last year

826
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: to break out, and he really wasn't putting an opportunity

827
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: to be able to do that.

828
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 6: Vincent and Wilmington, North Carolina, we are watching Bill and

829
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 6: the success of the Patriots whither away. One special teams

830
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 6: player or guard at a time.

831
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 7: Don't ever change Patriots. It's like back goes, back to

832
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 7: back emails. Say everything you need to.

833
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 6: Try, I do it. In today's NFL, the goal should

834
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 6: be to average twenty seven offensive points a game, which

835
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 6: translates to a top ten offense. The Patriots have the

836
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 6: worst offense in the division. How can it not be

837
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 6: a higher priority. The defense will cushion the embarrassment but

838
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 6: won't win games. I no longer trust in the husk

839
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 6: of thank you Tom Brady for the Super Bowls. Wow.

840
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think it's quite I don't think it

841
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 7: was quite as positive as the previous one. I don't

842
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 7: think it's anywhere near as bad as that. Right, I

843
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 7: respect it though, like some people just have strong opinions

844
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 7: and throw them out there. I think that's great, and

845
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 7: I'm serious sports, So what's about. It's supposed to be fun,

846
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 7: supposed to listen.

847
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 6: That's emotion and it's just sports. Let's go to the

848
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 6: ACE ticket hotline eight five five pass five hundred. We'll

849
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 6: start with Eldred, who says he's mad as hell? What's up? Aldred?

850
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: Oh boy, give it to me Aldred?

851
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 12: All right, Hey, Avon, I agree with you. Under their

852
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 12: first picky t is the hell.

853
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 8: Out of us back to field. I know y'all can't

854
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 8: say it because y'all cover the team, but that dinosaur

855
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 8: speaking GM need to be out.

856
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 12: I mean out. I mean if every other team in

857
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 12: GM to add to the offense even though they got

858
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 12: good weapons, ads more, why can't he see it? This

859
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 12: is not nineteen eighty nineteen ninety. And then, like I said,

860
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 12: if it been for Brady, it's been. He's been another

861
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 12: Brown season.

862
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 8: He's been out in three years.

863
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 12: And I mean that that's this is ridiculous.

864
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: Okay, It's a great point of excelge adding offensive talent

865
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 3: even when you already have offensive talent, because a lot

866
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: of teams did that over the last couple of days.

867
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 3: Just his guy, Quinton Johnson goes to a team that

868
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: already has Mike Williams and Keenan Allen on the roster.

869
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 3: Zave Flowers goes to Baltimore, which Odell is still there.

870
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 5: Tim Bateman, h.

871
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: Josh Palmer is still there promising Jordan Addison with Justin

872
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: Jefferson Paired with Justin Jefferson. I mentioned Charlie Jones gets

873
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 3: drafted by the Bengals when they already have their Plethoro

874
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: talent at receivers. So all these other teams they got

875
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 3: receivers up the wazoo, and they're still taking receivers even

876
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: in a bad receiver drafts.

877
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 6: Good point. Let's go to Willem and Phillham. What's up William.

878
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 12: Great?

879
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 6: How you doing all right? All right?

880
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 13: Where I'm trying not to cuss and be pissed off

881
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 13: with this game. I swear, okay, uh, let me get

882
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 13: it again because Mike, like I was laughing like to

883
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 13: see like I'm Julie, We're not. No, I'm really pissed

884
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 13: off seriously, So I'll just start with this. This is

885
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 13: I don't care about the linebackers or I don't care

886
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 13: about what the Patriot did back in the past with

887
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 13: guards and tackles. I don't care where's mac Jones' weapons

888
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 13: at man, like where as and where's where's that trade?

889
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 13: Uh of Jerry Judy or or brand a uk or

890
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 13: something like what is Bill doing on defense? And what

891
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 13: and punters and and and guards?

892
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 14: Are you kidding me?

893
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 4: Seriously?

894
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 13: Like I'm ready to be an Eagle fan. You just

895
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 13: see what they just did over it. They got all

896
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 13: Georgia bulldog and touch that I gotten DeAndre swiped seriously

897
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 13: and it still And what last year when they went

898
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 13: and got well ah Brown, I mean last year year

899
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 13: before last. I'm daring, Like that's how you do it? Like,

900
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 13: what is going on?

901
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 8: Man?

902
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 15: You said, mass up the found and have what?

903
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 13: DeAndre?

904
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 4: I'm not young, I'm daring.

905
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 16: I'm you tu I guess and what and my just

906
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 16: sayond I mean.

907
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 4: Who's going when Thurston comes from us?

908
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 13: Who is going to make that place?

909
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 16: What?

910
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:17,479
Speaker 4: W we need that first?

911
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 13: Daance?

912
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 4: Who's gonna do it?

913
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll all right, thanks William.

914
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 7: I'm glad he was working hard to try to keep

915
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 7: it under control.

916
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 6: Yeah.

917
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 7: I feel like that this is the same thing, though.

918
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 7: I I feel for the people that wanted the offensive weapons.

919
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,479
Speaker 7: I don't think it was great. As Evan just said,

920
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 7: you know it wasn't a great receiver class, and then

921
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 7: once you sort of let the better ones go early,

922
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 7: you kind of get.

923
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 5: You missed Evan's run in the twenties, I mean, right

924
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 5: outside of that.

925
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 7: And and here's where, you know, and I agree with

926
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 7: everything Evan said, but I think I sort of interpreted

927
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 7: a little bit different. I think it makes more sense

928
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 7: for teams like Cincinnati in the Chargers and that have

929
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 7: weapons to take a shot on someone else, because if

930
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 7: it doesn't really work, it's nothing, nothing lost. You know,

931
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 7: you still got Mike Williams, Keenan Allen, and you still

932
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 7: got Tyler Boyd and you know Jamar Chase and t Higgins.

933
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 7: If the Patriots like put some stock into a receiver

934
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 7: who's kind of iffy and it doesn't work, it's a bust.

935
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 7: It's it's it's it's a disaster.

936
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: You know.

937
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 7: Thornton so right, and you know, it's one of those things.

938
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 7: You know, we talk a lot about the cornerbacks, corners,

939
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 7: not quarterbacks. Like so everybody's thrilled about Christian Gonzales and

940
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 7: I am too, and and some you know, I heard

941
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 7: one person sort of play Devil's advocate, intentionally trying to

942
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 7: look at the other side of it. Today, as I

943
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 7: was driving in and they were saying they've had so

944
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 7: much succe, I think was Chris Gasper. They've had so

945
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 7: much success with the Malcolm Butler's and the j. C.

946
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 7: Jackson's of the world. And I would argue that if

947
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 7: Christian Gonzales plays like Malcolm Butler, he's not good, he's

948
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 7: gonna be He's gonna be perceived to be a borderline bust.

949
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 7: You know, bust is probably too strong because Butler was

950
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 7: a good player.

951
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 16: J C.

952
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 7: Jackson was a good player, but up and down, I

953
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 7: think that those guys were elevated because they were undrafted

954
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 7: free agents, right and when they played and they started

955
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 7: and they made some plays, you were like, wow, Bill

956
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 7: did it again, And he did because Bill's had immense

957
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 7: success with that position. Jonathan Jones Randall Gay like a

958
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 7: lot of defensive backs undrafted that he's had success with.

959
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 7: But I don't think success for an undrafted rookie is

960
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 7: the same as a first round draft pick.

961
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 6: No, No, this guy has to be a Pro Bowl.

962
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 7: He's same kind of stuff. With the receivers, if they're

963
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 7: not good enough. The Patriots needed like the Patriots needed

964
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 7: a receiver to come in and really help Mac Jones.

965
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 7: So if if they're not good enough and they don't

966
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 7: think that they can do that, maybe they were better

967
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 7: off going another just just a different trying to bring

968
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 7: myself around. What what are they thinking? What's their line

969
00:42:59,600 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 7: of thought?

970
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 5: I think, I mean, I think that they're thinking, we

971
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 5: want to surround him with veterans. We don't think that

972
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 5: a rookie's going to come in here and work with

973
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 5: Mac and make really much of a difference. So let's

974
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 5: just have Bill O'Brien create a new offense for what

975
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 5: we have, you know, I mean it's I mean, it's

976
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 5: not a terrible, terrible group.

977
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 6: Of Is there a chance that we go out in

978
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 6: training camp and as bad as it looked last year,

979
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 6: we're like, whoa, this looks like I mean, it's a bar,

980
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 6: a low bar offense that that seems to know what

981
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 6: it's doing at least like it.

982
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: But that's just the bare minimum. And I think that,

983
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 3: you know, to willman Film's point, like it's third and eight,

984
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 3: where's the ball going? And this whole idea of oh

985
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: well could go anywhere like that? That really, now, that's

986
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 3: not going to change the equation. That doesn't do it

987
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 3: for me. Okay, where who is the guy that comes

988
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: on Tuesdays when teams get into those game plan meetings

989
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: and they say, see the Patriots offense up on the board,

990
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: and they say, we absolutely need to shut this guy down,

991
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 3: or we need to devise our entire game plan around

992
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: Tyreek Kill, around Stefan Diggs, around Garrett Wilson. And they

993
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 3: don't have that guy on the roster now. They weren't

994
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: going to get that guy in this draft, and I

995
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: agree with that, unless maybe they went with one of

996
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: those first round guys. But I think ultimately what you

997
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: look at now at this draft is that there were

998
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 3: guys that fit their prototype that were available at some

999
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: of the instances where they picked the sequence that's going

1000
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: to hant.

1001
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 6: They necessarily better than the guys they have now. And

1002
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 6: I know twenty twenty four a lot of these guys

1003
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 6: will be going, but this year, were they necessarily better

1004
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 6: than the stable of pass catchers that they have now?

1005
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if they are going to be better,

1006
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: but I think that some of the guys that were

1007
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: available had the potential to be better, because you know what,

1008
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne is you know that what he is in

1009
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 3: the league, but Josh Downs might be he might be worse,

1010
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: he might be better, but he might be better. Right,

1011
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: And that's the draft. And as we're looking at the

1012
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: sequence that's going to kick on me. Marty Mapu had

1013
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 3: seventy six at seventy eight Josh Downs or seventy eight

1014
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: Tucker Craft the tight end from South Dakota State and

1015
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: had seventy nine Josh Downs. So right in that span

1016
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 3: of four picks that those two guys came off the board.

1017
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 3: And if either one of those guys Craft or Downs

1018
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 3: ends up being an impact player in Green Bay or Indy,

1019
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 3: that's gonna be where we're going to look back and

1020
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 3: say what do we do here?

1021
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say to your point, Evan, like

1022
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 5: you know, with with the ball can go anywhere. Third

1023
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 5: and fourteen in Super Bowl forty nine, who to go to?

1024
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 5: Julian Edelman? You know, fourth down, twenty fifteen AFC Championship,

1025
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 5: Who Rob Gronkowski?

1026
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 7: Well, that's Super Bowl for all that Tom Brady's talk

1027
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 7: about who's your favorite receiver? The open guy?

1028
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 5: When you had you had to have it, you knew,

1029
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 5: you generally knew it was.

1030
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 3: Going to Welker, it was going to Gronk. Yeah, it

1031
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 3: was going to Edelman.

1032
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1033
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 7: And I'm not telling you every single time, but you

1034
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 7: knew when and I just listened to Jimmy were down,

1035
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 7: you knew where the ball was going.

1036
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 6: Sup.

1037
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 5: Super Bowl fifty three Gronk that, I mean, the biggest

1038
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 5: play of the game to to, you know, to get

1039
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 5: that final score. I mean, how many did Edelman have

1040
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 5: third downs that you had to? I mean those were

1041
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 5: the guys that made the key plays. It's not about well,

1042
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 5: you never know where it's gonna go. We might actually

1043
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 5: throw it to you know, receiver number six on this play.

1044
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 5: It doesn't happen. I mean, when the big moments, the

1045
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 5: big games got to have it, you need the good players.

1046
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 6: Let's go back to the phones. Mike's in North Carolina.

1047
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 17: Hi, Mike, Hey, guys, going good. Great love listening to

1048
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 17: you guys. Trying to talk myself off the ledge here

1049
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 17: after the Bruins collapse of a Day three. I feel

1050
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 17: like for the Patriots, but I just want to talk about,

1051
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 17: specifically about the asset management over the past couple of

1052
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 17: years with the guards and interior line. So we had

1053
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 17: Joe Toney. We know that story. They franchised him, let

1054
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 17: them walk, didn't want to pay him. Then we shipped

1055
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 17: off Shack Mason last year, who granted it looks like

1056
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 17: he declined a little bit in last year, but still

1057
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 17: got rid of them. Had to spend a first round

1058
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 17: pick on a guard last year, a Strange. We also

1059
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 17: drafted Chase some times, I think as well later in

1060
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 17: the draft. And then this year we've taken three more

1061
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 17: interior alignments. So just I mean, like, I just don't

1062
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 17: know what we're doing here really, to be honest.

1063
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 7: Do any of you have any concerns about the guards

1064
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 7: they took last year? Strange and Hines.

1065
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 6: I didn't give him much thought.

1066
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know. I don't know what to

1067
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 5: think of Heines. I mean, we didn't see him at all.

1068
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 5: He was never really on that.

1069
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: We already have concerns about Strange. Then they're that they're

1070
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: in trouble because if that pick doesn't pan out with

1071
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 3: where they took them and the position that they and I'm.

1072
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 7: Not saying that they do, I'm just I'm just looking.

1073
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 7: So so they had so they had struggle in the

1074
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 7: interior offensive line last year, like Strange, got benched three

1075
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 7: different times, right.

1076
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 5: People, every people don't like to talk about it, and.

1077
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 7: Everybody, but everybody complained. Everybody, can you know, complained going

1078
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 7: in like well right now, I shouldn't say, like then,

1079
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 7: now there's a lot. Well, you had James Ferrence was

1080
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 7: your backup. He's thirty three years old. I agree, Yet

1081
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 7: you should have someone better than that, like a young

1082
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 7: guy that you're not paying, you know whatever. But think

1083
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 7: about the fact that the coaches knew that that James

1084
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 7: Ferrnce was the best option, and yet still three different

1085
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 7: times cole Strange was taken out of the game. Healthy

1086
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 7: Cole Strange was taken out and they felt like they

1087
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 7: didn't have any depth on the So what are they

1088
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 7: going to feel if they feel like now we have

1089
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 7: Antonio Maffi in City sau Get in the CD city

1090
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 7: City City, you know, maybe they feel good about these picks.

1091
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 7: Maybe they're at a higher level in chasing Hines and

1092
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 7: they're more options. Then what happens, Like my guess is

1093
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 7: it's more of an indictment on Chasing Hines, who, as

1094
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 7: you said, Mike accurately, didn't really see the field right

1095
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 7: than it is Cole Strange. But to Evan's point, we

1096
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 7: better see col Strange as a fixture, not coming in

1097
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 7: and out of games periodically, well and all this.

1098
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 5: Stuff that you thought. You know, hey, we kind of

1099
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 5: have to hopefully rely on these guys. Andrews in the

1100
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 5: middle at center, Cole Strange at left guard, and Michael

1101
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 5: and Win you a right guard. I mean, you don't

1102
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 5: have a lot that you can really say, let's hang

1103
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 5: our hat on. But like your hope is that you

1104
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 5: spend a first round pick on this left guard. Your

1105
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 5: right guard is supposedly one of the most promising players

1106
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 5: on your roster, you know, coming up for a contract.

1107
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 5: And your center is your captain and your leader. I mean,

1108
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 5: there's nobody left really of you know, those guys on

1109
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 5: the offensive side of the ball. David Andrews kind of

1110
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 5: stands alone as far as that, so, you know, you

1111
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 5: just you have to wonder what what what's going on?

1112
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 5: There are those guys in danger? I mean it is

1113
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 5: David Andrew's going to be in a competition, you know,

1114
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 5: like legitimate for his job. I can't rule it out.

1115
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 6: Right now, Let's go to Butch in Marshall, what's up? Butch?

1116
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 15: Hey, you guys, how's it going good?

1117
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 6: But where's Marshall Marshfield. Marshfield, My uncle was a butcher

1118
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 6: from Marshfield. All right, yeah, I want.

1119
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 15: To pause a minute and U you know, I think

1120
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 15: if you get the draft, maybe another month or two,

1121
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 15: depending on how they fill the holes in free agency.

1122
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 15: We know the compic periods about to end, and Bill

1123
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 15: loves to kind of, you know, use another spark once

1124
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 15: that period ends. And there's still two decent tackles and

1125
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 15: some good running backs out there.

1126
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 5: But who are the tackle.

1127
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 3: Tackles we got?

1128
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 15: We got Lewin and Donovan Smith, which you know I would.

1129
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 7: You're talking about free agent?

1130
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, not yep, there's no reason to bring either one

1131
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 3: of those guys in With Riley Reef and Calvin Anderson.

1132
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 5: You have that, Yeah, they're there.

1133
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 14: I would argue they're a little bit better starting capability.

1134
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, maybe so. I mean, how many of those

1135
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 7: guys you're going to have, though, Like, how many veterans

1136
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 7: free agent tackles are you going to sign?

1137
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 3: That would be three.

1138
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 15: I think they're better than Anderson.

1139
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 7: And not okay, but they already signed those guys. I

1140
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 7: think I think you're right. I think Donovan Smith is

1141
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 7: better than Riley Reef. I agree with you, but they

1142
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 7: signed Riley Reef, So how many are you going to sign?

1143
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can only have so many on your roster.

1144
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 7: Like I just find it. I mean, I'm not telling

1145
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 7: you it's impossible. There's plenty of veteran free agent signings

1146
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 7: that don't ever make the team. But that's but that's

1147
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 7: a fail right, well right.

1148
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 5: I mean, just bring up the roster. I mean, right now,

1149
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 5: I got them at eighty one on the roster. They

1150
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 5: have five more picks. That takes him to eighty six.

1151
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 5: I mean, they could have four roster spots by the

1152
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 5: end of this and that and that's.

1153
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 7: And I'm not positive. I think you're one short based

1154
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 7: on what I've been reading. I thought it was I.

1155
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 5: Think some people include Devin mccordy in the counting because

1156
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 5: he hasn't officially retired.

1157
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, but Mike Reese wouldn't. Mike Reese wouldn't include that.

1158
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 7: But you might check. You might have it, so you're

1159
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 7: have either way. Yeah, and I agree, Like I who

1160
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 7: was that Butcher? I agree with Butch. I mean I

1161
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 7: would rather have Donovan Smith, not Lewan. Lwan's might be done.

1162
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 7: He might be like Riley Reef done podcasts, but at

1163
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 7: least he's he was at a higher level than Riley

1164
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 7: Reef when he was when he was healthy. But I

1165
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 7: would rather have Donovan Smith. But it's hard for me

1166
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 7: to wrap my head around the fact that they're going

1167
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 7: to sign another tackle match.

1168
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: And when we talked to Macro in his pre draft

1169
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 3: press conference, he put it out there that they really

1170
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 3: like their tackle room. He said that they have one

1171
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 3: guy returning in Trent Brown that they like, they have

1172
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 3: two new guys. You know they are They've belt it

1173
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 3: out for us that they were high on their tackle room.

1174
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 3: And you know, when we Alex and I did our

1175
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 3: final catch Toining twenty two and mock drafts and all

1176
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 3: that stuff, none neither of us took tackles in the

1177
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 3: top one hundred. Because of what Macro had to say,

1178
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 3: we took it at face value, and that's how the

1179
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 3: draft has gone. They they felt they ended up feeling

1180
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 3: better about their tackle depths somehow than their interior depth. Clearly,

1181
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 3: I mean based off the way that they run the draft.

1182
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 7: And this is but part of the reasoning like they

1183
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 7: feel better about their tackles. They told you that they

1184
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 7: liked their tackles. This is like my point about like

1185
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 7: they think that they got a guy who can play

1186
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 7: linebacker at two hundred and seventeen pounds. I know, yeah,

1187
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 7: I know, Like I this is why I'm not arguing

1188
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 7: with the philosophy. I just I wonder if Calvin Anderson

1189
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 7: can be a starting tackle in the NFL. They obviously

1190
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 7: think he can. Yeah, well, like I don't doubt.

1191
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 5: That they think he can.

1192
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 7: And I'm not trying to tell you why no more

1193
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 7: than they I don't know and you can't.

1194
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 3: The problem is that that's all three of those tackles, Reef Anderson,

1195
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 3: and Trent Brown. I'm not even confident in Trent Brown,

1196
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 3: almost no confidence. I'm not confident that in any one

1197
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 3: of those guys that you have a starter right that

1198
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 3: you're gonna put him in in camp on day one

1199
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: and you're not gonna take about until the end of

1200
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 3: the season. I don't know that about any of those guys.

1201
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 7: The best thing I could say about Trent Brown was recently,

1202
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 7: within the past week or so, he was out doing

1203
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 7: an event for us with the Charitable Foundation, which I

1204
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 7: found to be a very and I'm not being sarcastic,

1205
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 7: not at all. I found that to be a very

1206
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 7: positive sign that he was here, He was on board

1207
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 7: part of the organization. That stuff is important here, and

1208
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 7: I'm not trying to be corny, that stuff is important here,

1209
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 7: and the fact that he was part of that in

1210
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 7: the off season I took as a positive side.

1211
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 6: It's all about mindset for Trent, you know what I mean.

1212
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 5: The ability, it's just like I know, it's like sometimes

1213
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 5: he's absolutely dominant, and I would say that's you know,

1214
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 5: I don't even to say sometimes like there's flashes of dominance,

1215
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 5: but it's not. It's just not consistent. And then you

1216
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 5: mix in the injuries, which I know we last year

1217
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 5: he wasn't really injured, but.

1218
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 6: Well he was sick. He just a few games, you know,

1219
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 6: and I think it affected him and come out until

1220
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 6: he didn't even come out for warm ups for a

1221
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 6: couple of games, you know.

1222
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 7: Thoughts and prayers.

1223
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, but no, I'm serious. I mean, I just think

1224
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 6: with him, it's not about ability, it's about want to

1225
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 6: you know.

1226
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's also about Adrian Clem at this point

1227
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 3: with this, Grew could help because we put a lot

1228
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 3: on Bill O'Brien's play to make the skill positions in

1229
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 3: the passing game better, I think. But I think they

1230
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 3: genuinely believe that Adrian Clem is going to also bring

1231
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 3: a level of unison, sophistication communication to that group that mentally,

1232
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,479
Speaker 3: that group is going to be a lot more locked

1233
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 3: in than it was last year.

1234
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 6: Let's go to Pat Nagawam. What's up? Pat?

1235
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 14: I hope you're right Evan, as far as Adrian Klem

1236
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 14: goes now, I'll show a little bit of positivity mixed

1237
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 14: in with a little bit of negativity. So I do, like,

1238
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 14: you know, I do like the Ryland pick. I do

1239
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 14: like the Mafi pick, and I think I might be

1240
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 14: in the slight minority fans. I like the ke On

1241
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 14: White pick. But for the lights of me, I mean, Kevin,

1242
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 14: you're talking about Mapu and how you know they've tried

1243
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 14: guys like that here. I can't remember the fifth rounders

1244
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 14: name who came in injured a couple.

1245
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 6: Of years ago.

1246
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 14: But to have rather than seen them take a risk

1247
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 14: on a guy like Darnell Washington at that point at least,

1248
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 14: like that's a guy that you don't have on your

1249
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 14: team right now, I wouldn't have a good inline blocking

1250
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 14: tight end.

1251
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.

1252
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 3: I think that's the biggest thing with MAPU is what

1253
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 3: I mentioned it kind of earlier with with Downs and Craft,

1254
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 3: and I know you can't it's hard to play this

1255
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 3: game because you don't know how the board's gonna go.

1256
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I can't help but think

1257
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 3: you probably could have had both. Like I really feel

1258
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 3: like you probably could have had one of those players

1259
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 3: that went in that like five to ten pick range

1260
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 3: that all of us loved, like a Darnell Washington, like

1261
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 3: a Tucker Craft or Josh Downs, and then still gotten

1262
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 3: your guy in Mapo, who I think they clearly really

1263
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 3: liked the kid that he came in. Bill talked about

1264
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 3: his thirty visit last night. I think he blew him

1265
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 3: away in the top thirty visit of his knowledge of

1266
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: the game and his knowledge of multiple roles in the defense.

1267
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 3: It made me think of that Devin mccordy story that

1268
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 3: he told at mccorty's retirement ceremony that he knew the

1269
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 3: roles and the assignments of all three levels of the defense,

1270
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 3: and how rare that was for a college player. I

1271
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 3: don't know if MAPO, you know, interviewed like that, but

1272
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 3: that was sort of the impression that I got from

1273
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 3: Belichick that he just loved the kid, you know, meeting

1274
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 3: with him and talking with him, which is fine. But

1275
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 3: would Mapu have been there at one oh seven or

1276
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 3: could a trade up have happened back into the third

1277
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 3: round to get Mapu by the end of the night

1278
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 3: last night, and then you still get one of those

1279
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 3: name brand players at seventy six.

1280
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 5: I just think when you boil it down and you've

1281
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 5: you've you've kind of said it, I mean, and I'm

1282
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 5: just looking at the numbers now where you're now sitting

1283
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 5: on ten interior offensive linemen, and you don't really have

1284
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 5: a third tight end, you don't have a fifth wide receiver.

1285
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 5: And not to make too big of a deal of

1286
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 5: what a third, but those are positions that you take

1287
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 5: into game day that you might need, you know.

1288
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 3: And then can you do me a favorite. Do you

1289
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 3: have the name the ten?

1290
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 7: No? Do you have the depth chart open in front

1291
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 7: of you right there? Yeah?

1292
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 3: Can you just name it this interior offensive line?

1293
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 18: Yes?

1294
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 5: So we have our three starters of talk Strange Andrews,

1295
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 5: and then behind them, I've got Chasing Hines, Cody Russi,

1296
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 5: and James Ferrence. Then We've got Bill Murray, Jake Andrews,

1297
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 5: citisal Antonio Maffi.

1298
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 3: Ten ten you needed ten, right, Paul?

1299
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 5: And how many are you going to make the team?

1300
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 7: And that five? Yeah? Like listen, I I preface this

1301
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 7: all the time by saying I don't know anything. No, no,

1302
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 7: no, no no no, he just made them all. Tower lads,

1303
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Speaker 7: Our lads does a great job with the depth.

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Speaker 6: Charts they do. They have good depth chart step charts

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Speaker 6: they do.

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Speaker 7: Actually being seriously, I know we are, I don't I'm

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Speaker 7: not sure how much better? Like what were we talking

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Speaker 7: about last year when I was, you know, chasing Hines

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Speaker 7: and Andrew Stuber as you know, young late day day three,

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Speaker 7: back up offensive lineman. Perfect, Yeah, that's what you do.

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Speaker 7: That great, great job. Suddenly this year they've taken three

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Speaker 7: in a row, and it's like, what you're surprised. I mean,

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Speaker 7: David Andrews is thirty one. No, I'm not surprised they

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Speaker 7: took back up off. This is what they do, this

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Speaker 7: is what you're supposed to do. But three and four picks.

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Speaker 6: Well, it just after it might be an indictment on

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Speaker 6: the draft their opinion.

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Speaker 3: It just that's just the way it went. Paul, but

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Speaker 3: it's just there.

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Speaker 5: That's just the way we went, and there was just

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Speaker 5: nobody else. But I think we all like, at a

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Speaker 5: certain point, do you worry that we're probably gonna have

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Speaker 5: to cut this guy? Like you know, that's because you're.

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Speaker 3: For drafting ten guys. Ten guys. I can't wait for

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Speaker 3: the backup.

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Speaker 6: Competition and probably the guys they got well and.

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Speaker 7: Bill Murray, I mean, I'll put him in a separate Obviously.

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Speaker 7: They just love this this kid because he's willing to

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Speaker 7: do whatever they want. But he's not. Uh, I don't

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Speaker 7: think a candidate really just step into any kind of

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Speaker 7: a meaningful at this stage. He's been in the practice

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Speaker 7: squad what three four years.

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Speaker 5: Defensive defensive, offensive lineman, and and so so the rest

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Speaker 5: of them, and RUSI's a little undersized, and you know,

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Speaker 5: probably not And I mean, I I mean, Mafi to

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Speaker 5: me seems like the one guy on this list base

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Speaker 5: just I'm just reading draft profiles here.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't pretend to know all these guys. Mafi

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Speaker 7: seems to me to be the most talented guy.

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Speaker 3: Mafi is my favorite pick out of the three guys.

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Speaker 3: City Sal's got a lot of talent, but I think

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Speaker 3: the things that I saw with him were that he

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Speaker 3: doesn't really react to moving parts very well after the snap,

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Speaker 3: so like he had a difficult time picking up like

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Speaker 3: then the other thing with you know him was he's

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Speaker 3: more of that ball of clay type of guy. But

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Speaker 3: I like Mafia Ton.

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Speaker 7: You, and I'll go back to making my obscene very

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Speaker 7: good looking.

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Speaker 6: He is looking.

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Speaker 7: I say it all the time.

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Speaker 6: Actually, you're gonna be able to see more of Deuce

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Speaker 6: on Patriots dot com because he got a chance to

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Speaker 6: sit down with the Patriots second and third round draft

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Speaker 6: picks today.

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Speaker 5: I thought you were going to tease my cat my

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Speaker 5: upcoming calendar. I would have liked the Boys of PU

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Speaker 5: calendar is gonna be coming out the loose.

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Speaker 3: I would have liked to see you in a past

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Speaker 3: against Ke White.

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Speaker 5: Thank you would have survived that one. Hello, sir, that

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Speaker 5: was nice to meet you last night.

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Speaker 6: Bill Belichick spoke after the draft, and you know it

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Speaker 6: was mostly all draft until uh one of Paul's guys

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Speaker 6: break the.

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Speaker 7: Dard that's actually one of Evan's guys.

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Speaker 6: Uh asked if you know I'm not taking He apologized

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Speaker 6: ahead of time because you know, the question wasn't draft related,

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Speaker 6: but you know, seeing as how he may not have

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Speaker 6: a chance to talk to Bill for a while after

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Speaker 6: last night you talked about the rumors that mac Jones

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Speaker 6: was on the trade uh you know, trade watch, and

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Speaker 6: also you know what his relationship to what Bill uh was,

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Speaker 6: you may not like the answers, but he did answer

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Speaker 6: the questions. He didn't he didn't duck him, you know.

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Speaker 6: And he said that Max our quarterback and he's well,

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Speaker 6: he said, he's been our quarterback for the last two years.

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Speaker 6: And then when Baard followed up and said, you know,

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Speaker 6: he said, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, but I would stop short of saying that

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Speaker 3: he said he's my.

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Speaker 6: Quote, he didn't say those words.

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Speaker 7: You're right, and I'll just you know, I do have

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Speaker 7: the the transcript in front of me, you know, Greg,

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Speaker 7: just like Fred said, prefaced it by sort of apologizing

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Speaker 7: for asking it in the setting that is probably not

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Speaker 7: conducive for that. But he said, you know, is he

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Speaker 7: your quarterback right now? How do you view him going

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Speaker 7: into year three? And the answer, the first answer was well,

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Speaker 7: I'm not going to respond to the anonymous quotes. Greg,

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Speaker 7: So this is why I regarding the trading, pushed back

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Speaker 7: a little bit on you know, well he answered the

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Speaker 7: he was evasive again, is Mac your quarterback as of

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Speaker 7: right now? Yeah? I mean, look, Max's been our quarterback

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Speaker 7: for two years. As I tell the team, every year,

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Speaker 7: each player, each coach, we all have to re establish

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Speaker 7: and prove ourselves every year. That's what this league is.

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Speaker 7: So that's for all of us. Twenty twenty three is

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty three, and we'll see how it goes. So

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Speaker 7: anybody that's saying he said he's our quarterback, that's not

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Speaker 7: what he said.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got to win the job.

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Speaker 7: He's got to win the job, is what he said.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I just think it's the contrast between how he handled

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Speaker 5: Cam Newton and you know, just that refusal to give

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Speaker 5: Stidham a chance, and just he's our starter, Cam's our start.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he just kept pounding that drum.

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Speaker 7: You know.

1515
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 5: Of course they're different players, and I think that there's

1516
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 5: different situations, different situations. Cam Newton was a placeholder. He

1517
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 5: wasn't your long term answer, and he knew that.

1518
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 6: And cam Newton needs coddling. I mean he's very fragile,

1519
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 6: believe it or not, you know, and Bill knew that

1520
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 6: this is k Newton with I think I think he

1521
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 6: looks at Mac differently like he looks at Mac. Is

1522
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 6: if this guy is gonna be our long term answer,

1523
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 6: he's gonna have to take it and he's gonna have

1524
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 6: to earn it and nothing can be given to him.

1525
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1526
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 5: And I mean and and I think match Max should

1527
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 5: be used to that. I think that's for the most

1528
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 5: part what Mac is known, with last year being the outlier.

1529
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 3: Uh But I was I was thinking a little bit.

1530
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 5: Of just you know, and I can't think of anything

1531
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 5: off the top of my head, but just going back

1532
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 5: to Bill's days in Cleveland, obviously we know the Brady

1533
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 5: Bledsoe and how he handled that, uh you know, with

1534
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 5: the with the whole Testaverdy thing and and Bernie Kosar

1535
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 5: how you know, He's just got an interesting way of

1536
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 5: dealing with that position at various times. And I mean,

1537
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 5: I don't think I think this situation. It's obvious mac

1538
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 5: Jones hasn't done enough in his mind to just say

1539
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 5: he's our he's the established.

1540
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 6: Starter and he's got enough. And he's also done things

1541
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 6: that really ruffled his feather too that you know, the

1542
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 6: all that stuff is real, the you know, going outside

1543
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 6: to Alabama asking for help, you know, questioning Patricia, the

1544
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 6: outward signs of frustration, you know during games that did

1545
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 6: not help Max, you know, standing with Bill and you know,

1546
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 6: right or wrong, you know, like who's the adult in

1547
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 6: the room and who's not. You know, like you can

1548
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 6: disagree with how Bill handle it, but all that stuff

1549
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 6: is real.

1550
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 5: It's not Fay.

1551
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 3: You know, it's real, and I would fall into that.

1552
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 7: I think it's all real, and I understand, you know,

1553
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 7: where Bill would be upset. I also don't think Bill's

1554
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 7: handling it well right, you know, and you you you

1555
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 7: said something about you know, with Cam Newton he needed

1556
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 7: the coddling and he you know, he you know, the

1557
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 7: fragility there, and he thinks if mac Jones is going

1558
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 7: to be the guy in the future or he's going

1559
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 7: to need to handle that, well, I don't think all

1560
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 7: all people, all players are the same. So if that's

1561
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 7: the way he's thinking. I think that's a misstep on

1562
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 7: Bill's part because I don't know Mac Jones well enough

1563
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 7: to know if that's the way he wants he needs

1564
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 7: to be coached, or if he is like say Russell Wilson,

1565
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,719
Speaker 7: who was every bit as fragile as any of these

1566
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 7: big time quarterbacks, Pete Reckor treated him differently and got

1567
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 7: ten great years out.

1568
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 6: And got the most out him. You're right, but what

1569
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 6: if Nick Saban said this is how you need to

1570
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 6: treat Mac.

1571
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 7: Well, But what if Pete Carroll said this is how

1572
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 7: we need to treat Russell Wilson and then he was

1573
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 7: out of the league in a year and a half.

1574
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, it's different, you waste.

1575
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 7: But if I had just adjusted the way I coach

1576
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 7: and treat different players differently, which is what the best

1577
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 7: coaches do.

1578
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 6: No, And I'm just saying, like, if it was Russell Wilson,

1579
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 6: be different. But maybe Nick told Bill for Mac, you

1580
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 6: need to coach him hard. He needs, you know, he

1581
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,799
Speaker 6: needs to understand who's boss.

1582
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's how it's usually been for him, going

1583
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 5: back to you know, to his high school coach. And

1584
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 5: so I, like I said it shouldn't be anything that

1585
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 5: he's not used to. But I just I can't get

1586
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 5: out of my head the fifth year option a year

1587
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 5: from right now, and what does Mack have to do

1588
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 5: in this year too? In Bill's mind earn that option

1589
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 5: being picked up. And it's just there's so much on

1590
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 5: this season right now for you know, mister Craft saying

1591
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 5: making the playoffs for for Mac and everything he's going

1592
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 5: through right now, is he going to really solidify his

1593
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 5: place or you know, or are we going to get

1594
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 5: out there? And you know, I'm sure OTAs it's just

1595
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 5: going to look like it usually does with Mac will

1596
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 5: take the first rep. But I do wonder if it's

1597
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 5: kind of you know, if there's just a tinge of

1598
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 5: it seems like Zappy's getting he's getting a little bit

1599
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:18,480
Speaker 5: of a reps.

1600
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 7: And chance that to me is the more fascinating part

1601
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 7: of this is rather than trying to read into you know,

1602
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 7: why did he say that? Why didn't he mention his name?

1603
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 7: But why didn't or why did he? What do you

1604
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 7: think we're going to see when we get on the field.

1605
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 7: Do you think it's going to be like that th

1606
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 7: aue competition? I kind of don't.

1607
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 5: I don't think so at ot as. I don't think

1608
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 5: we'll come out of O t AS. But I do

1609
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 5: wonder if as we get into training camp, if if

1610
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 5: you start noticing Zappy getting just you know, more more

1611
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:45,719
Speaker 5: snaps than you might have expect.

1612
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,560
Speaker 3: I think ZAPPI might get some reps the the one bs.

1613
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 3: You know, some of the guys that are fringe starters,

1614
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 3: fourth or fifth receivers, but not not not the guys

1615
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 3: that are going to be on the team, but not

1616
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 3: guys that are.

1617
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 6: A you know he was there seen in the past,

1618
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 6: because now he really is the number two. I mean

1619
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 6: last year you had Hoyer, who you know, depending on

1620
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 6: the day, got more snaps than Zappy.

1621
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 5: But you always felt with Hoyer and it was like.

1622
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 6: To a certain thing. So you know, you bring out

1623
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 6: Hoyer because you know it's going to get done the

1624
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 6: way you want it done. But so Zapi will get

1625
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 6: more snaps and than he did last year, there's no

1626
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 6: doubt about it. But I agree with Paul. I think

1627
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 6: from day one it'll be ever Max your started.

1628
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 3: But that's that's a little deceiver, but that can change,

1629
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 3: you know. I also just say I go back to

1630
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 3: the all the way to nineteen when Brady and training

1631
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 3: camp said this team needs a great quarterback, and I think, again,

1632
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 3: this team needs a great quarterback, and every team needs

1633
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 3: a great and I really feel like with Mac, you know,

1634
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 3: I think all what all of us want to see

1635
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 3: is to have him just go out there and establish

1636
01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 3: himself at a much higher level than what he was

1637
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 3: at when the first week of camp was over last year,

1638
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 3: when it was quite frankly an abject disaster for the

1639
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 3: entire offense. So if he does that, I just find

1640
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 3: it really hard to believe that that door is going

1641
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 3: to be a jar for Bailey Zappy if.

1642
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 5: He comes out. And I'm not talking about OTAs.

1643
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 3: And passing camps and things like that where there's no

1644
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 3: pads and that's a totally different animal. But I think

1645
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 3: once he that first week of real full contact football,

1646
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 3: if he comes out and sets a tone, I don't

1647
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 3: think that they were really going to have a camp

1648
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 3: competition at that position.

1649
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 7: And the whole I just you know, semantics thing. But yeah,

1650
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 7: he's gonna get Zappi's gonna get more reps than he

1651
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 7: did last year. He's the two this year, right, he

1652
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 7: was the three last year. So that's kind of not

1653
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 7: the same, right, Like, that doesn't mean he's like Brian

1654
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 7: Hoyer was not getting a chance to start last year.

1655
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 7: He was not in a competition with Mac Jones.

1656
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, don't let looks deceive you that, oh,

1657
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 6: Zapy's getting more snaps in the No, he's in number two.

1658
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 7: He should, right, But that's just like what I'm saying

1659
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 7: is what Evan's talking about. Is he getting more reps

1660
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 7: with players that you know Brian Hoyd didn't get a

1661
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 7: lot of reps with ones in camp last year.

1662
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 3: Well, there are no rookies for him to throw to

1663
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 3: you right now, so.

1664
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 7: It all comes back. He's gonna you know what. I

1665
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 7: gave him a big hug when we left after round one.

1666
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 7: I was so happy for him. Now I just feel

1667
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 7: like he needs a hug.

1668
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 3: He congratulated me like in the war room, like all

1669
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 3: the Eagles war room celebrating their sixth round pick, which,

1670
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 3: by the way, the lottery.

1671
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 7: The sixth round is around the corner. Well we didn't

1672
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 7: do it on video though.

1673
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 5: Paul.

1674
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 3: Just don't forget that Tom Brady was drafted in the

1675
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 3: sixth so it does happen. So I do forget that

1676
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 3: all the.

1677
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 6: Time he was actually playing chess here, because it's not

1678
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 6: what he says, it's what he does. And what he's

1679
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 6: not doing is getting all these new weapons because he

1680
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 6: believes in Mac. Mac doesn't need.

1681
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 7: He stole my off your line, right, You said that, well,

1682
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 7: but I said, it's actually a big show of support

1683
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 7: from Mac.

1684
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 5: Right, But I mean maybe it is. But I think

1685
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 5: like ultimately the end goal for Bill right now and

1686
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 5: all these things that he's doing of not mentioning Mac

1687
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 5: and all that, like, it's all I think in purpose

1688
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 5: to get Mac to hit the next level and to

1689
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 5: play better. I mean, I I just I don't think

1690
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 5: that these are all like him just being like I'm

1691
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 5: just gonna screw this kid over now, make this season

1692
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 5: miserable for him. I just I can't see him burning

1693
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 5: a season just to be vindictive to a quarterback.

1694
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 6: All right, let's get back to the phones. That's the

1695
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 6: what Bill had to say last night. But let's get

1696
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 6: back to the draft. Chris is in Scottsdale. What's up, Chris?

1697
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:40,839
Speaker 4: Hey guys? Hey Fred, Just an interesting points. I remember

1698
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 4: years ago on PSW you had mentioned, you know, your

1699
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 4: curiosity about how seeing you guys on the podcast versus

1700
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 4: just hearing you being l on whether or not you

1701
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 4: were a big fan of that or whatever. And I

1702
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 4: gotta tell you, it is awesome being able to see

1703
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 4: you guys.

1704
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 6: Okay, so you think it's worth that, all right, Well,

1705
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 6: thank you, Okay, thanks for these just some feedback, that's.

1706
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 4: Okay. So I'm actually, you know, really really really upset

1707
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,560
Speaker 4: with with how things are, and I think it's predictable,

1708
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 4: and guys to be to be very honest, and one

1709
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 4: of the beautiful things about our podcast and our show

1710
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 4: is that you get the latitude to kind of jump

1711
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 4: around a little bit. You guys are very patient with

1712
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 4: us as callers and let us bend, especially in these times, right,

1713
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 4: so please give me that as well. In this call,

1714
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 4: I will say this that it's becoming so redundant, these

1715
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 4: drafts and the disappointments and you know.

1716
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 17: The whole thing.

1717
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 4: So that's why when when the draft got off to

1718
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 4: the good start that it got off to with Christian

1719
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 4: Gonzales and and I kind of figured that that, you know, hey,

1720
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 4: now more than ever, Bill can't just make a mockery

1721
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 4: of the draft and thumb's nose to it, and and

1722
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 4: I'm smarter than everybody, and you know, and be snide,

1723
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 4: and you know the whole thing that he does right

1724
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 4: which is just tired and old and completely destroying this

1725
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 4: organization literally from the ground up. I mean, it really

1726
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 4: really is. And that's not overstating it. I think the

1727
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 4: facts are bearing out if you look how barren our

1728
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 4: roster is in so many ways, not only for now,

1729
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 4: but you guys brought up earlier, you know, down the

1730
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 4: road is up. I mean when you trade down to

1731
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 4: get Christian Gonzales and take up the holier than now

1732
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 4: fourth round pick and you take a kicker, you know,

1733
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 4: with it in this that and the other or whichever

1734
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 4: one it was, you know, the mantis, it doesn't really matter.

1735
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 4: But at this point, I think it's very well known

1736
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 4: how we feel about you know, Bill and the Bill

1737
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 4: Wi crust Scout needs to go away and all that.

1738
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 4: But I think we have to pull back the curtain

1739
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 4: a little bit and look at Robert, you know, mister Kraft,

1740
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 4: I mean honestly, because it's not like he's stupid and

1741
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 4: he doesn't see what's going on. At some point you

1742
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 4: have to wonder to yourself, it is he and Jonathan

1743
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 4: just okay with what's going on because they make the

1744
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 4: money that they make off of owning this team, and

1745
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 4: they got their championships and it is what it is.

1746
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 4: And you know, maybe when Jonathan takes over, maybe because

1747
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 4: of that, when he wants to put his thumb crind

1748
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 4: on it. And then that's when we start getting you know,

1749
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:11,600
Speaker 4: a coach and here in a GM and here that

1750
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 4: that's actually taking the process very well.

1751
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 6: I can tell you that they know that winning me

1752
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 6: is everything. Like as much money as you're making now,

1753
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 6: a lot of that dries up in terms of you know,

1754
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 6: tickets and sponsorship revenue if you're not winning. So I mean, yeah,

1755
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 6: I mean that's why Robert did what he did this offseason.

1756
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 6: The letter that season ticket holders got right after the season,

1757
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 6: the comments he made at the owners meeting, that's.

1758
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 4: That's there's never any accountability. Remember this was when he

1759
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:46,719
Speaker 4: did things well.

1760
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 6: Well, okay, I mean, do you think that he might

1761
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 6: have had any push to get bringing Bill O'Brien. Do

1762
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 6: you think that he might have been part of like

1763
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 6: maybe that was a not as much an ask as

1764
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 6: a demand. You know, I don't know.

1765
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that it's a very good point that

1766
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 4: you bring up and and I'm not going to say

1767
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:10,480
Speaker 4: that he didn't, right, but the fact that Bill can constantly,

1768
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 4: I mean so consistently, year after year, do outlandish things

1769
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 4: that are a detriment to the team, you know, like hiring,

1770
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 4: like you said, the coordinators that we had last year,

1771
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 4: I mean, coaches. Because of his resume, he gets to

1772
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 4: keep it, but I mean other people, their heads are

1773
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 4: on the on the chopping block, I mean instantly for

1774
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 4: stuff like that. I mean, and being so poor for years,

1775
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 4: I know, but leading to the product that we have now.

1776
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 6: No mean thanks for the you know, we allow a

1777
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 6: little latitude.

1778
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 7: But Fred would like to speak.

1779
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 6: But you know, but when Robert says, you know, our

1780
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 6: head coach often does things that are unauthored ox you know,

1781
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 6: he's earned the latitude to do so, it's not like

1782
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 6: those things are unrecognized. They see that. You know he's

1783
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 6: doing that, and he's he's earned a certain amount of latitude.

1784
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 6: But it's running out. It's running out, and Robert Craft

1785
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 6: has made that clear, at least to me he has.

1786
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 3: I also just know this is not the draft for

1787
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 3: the all They're ruining the team. Look, I'm upset about

1788
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 3: the fourth round. I think the interior offensive linemann As

1789
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 3: poul says he can do those on your own time. Okay,

1790
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 3: But Christian Gonzalez is a good pick, Like, that's a

1791
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 3: good player that they got. Kean White is a good

1792
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 3: consensus draft pick. So I think they got two guys

1793
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 3: at the top of the draft that are going to

1794
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 3: help this this team. And maybe they're not at the

1795
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 3: positions that you wanted them to pick.

1796
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 6: But but here's here's something.

1797
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 3: But if those two guys are really good, it's going

1798
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 3: to be a good draft.

1799
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, But I want to I want to go

1800
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 6: back to something that was said after the Gonzales pick

1801
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 6: by Mayo. I'm just glad the coach let us make

1802
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 6: the pick or something. I'm just glad coach made the pick.

1803
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 7: Say I don't think he said that.

1804
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, he said, I'm just glad coach made the pick.

1805
01:21:55,520 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 6: So in Mayo mind, there's a chance that he wasn't

1806
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 6: gonna make that pick.

1807
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 7: And well, that's not how that's not how I took it.

1808
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 7: And I talked and I talked to Steve Belichick about

1809
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 7: it too. They were I just thought they were happy

1810
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 7: that they went. They got a good defensive player with

1811
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 7: the first round pick because there's no guarantees of that.

1812
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 7: I know that can that can go either way, and

1813
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 7: you know, and the other part of it that that

1814
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 7: sort of bugs me. And this gets back to what

1815
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 7: Chris was talking about Chris in Arizona. And look, it

1816
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 7: was he overstating some of the things. Of course he was.

1817
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 7: We all speaking hyperbole when we get wound up, right,

1818
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 7: But so on one hand, Bill can say that, you know,

1819
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 7: Mac Jones has been the quarterback for the last two years,

1820
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 7: but we all start with a clean slate and then

1821
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 7: you know, was it six weeks ago, Mike, you were

1822
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 7: out in Arizona when Bill's telling us here. So so

1823
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,679
Speaker 7: why why should the fans you know, believe that better

1824
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 7: times a last the last twenty five years. So it's

1825
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 7: okay for you to fall back on your resume, but

1826
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 7: poor Mac Jones can't, Yeah, or anybody else.

1827
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 6: No, that was that was like, that's so hypocritical. That

1828
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,719
Speaker 6: was a departure of the patriot way and what Bill

1829
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 6: usually does. Absolutely he got called out by Teddy Bruski

1830
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 6: on that, right, right, you know, uh, let's get back

1831
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 6: to the phones. We'll go to Sean and Rochester, New York.

1832
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 6: What's up Sean my birthplace.

1833
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 7: Really, you were born in Rochester, New York. Learn something

1834
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 7: about him. Every show I.

1835
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 6: Moved it was a rest stop, wasn't.

1836
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 5: My dad delivered me?

1837
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 8: Uh?

1838
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 5: My dad worked for Wilson Sporting Goods up there for

1839
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 5: just like a few years when I was born. Then

1840
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 5: we moved back here when I was like.

1841
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 3: One, wait, what's up, Sewan, you're there?

1842
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 5: You were born?

1843
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 16: Well?

1844
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, Well they lived there for a few

1845
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 5: years I was born, and then about a bravat here,

1846
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 5: so they've been there a.

1847
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 7: Couple of years.

1848
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 5: But he actually, Sean is get up at a and

1849
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 5: w I don't know. I was only seven months my dad,

1850
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 5: did you know? We worked for Wilson Sporting Goods. He

1851
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 5: used to do a lot of stuff with the bills

1852
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,799
Speaker 5: and uh he actually my uncle uncovered in the basement

1853
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,719
Speaker 5: assigned O. J. Simpson football that my dad had gotten

1854
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 5: in recent really, which is kind of a spooky fine

1855
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 5: not I don't know, That's exactly what I'm wondering, Like,

1856
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 5: what do I do? Is is this Bill's ring of honors?

1857
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 6: Bill's a glove down there?

1858
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 5: Hey, what's kind of cool? Question? What's up with the sign?

1859
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 10: You know?

1860
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 5: The signing where they usually put like Bill's fans of

1861
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 5: the year. There's like a big sign right next to

1862
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 5: the stadium that's like this billboard can be rented by

1863
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 5: any NFL team or fans. I saw that. It's like,

1864
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 5: so that's actively recruiting trolls to come, like put something

1865
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 5: right to Patriot playoffs every year. Now that you don't

1866
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 5: have a sign right, sorry.

1867
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 6: Shrewsbury writes in sorry, but I had to turn you

1868
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 6: guys off, same old stuff. Could have, would have should have.

1869
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 6: I'm sorry BB didn't solicit your draft input. I'm sorry

1870
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 6: he won't let you rework the offense and these callers.

1871
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 6: First off, as Fred says, it's only football. Second, as

1872
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 6: a fan, I look for positive play and potential improvement.

1873
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 6: I don't need to wallow in this stuff. I'm okay

1874
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,440
Speaker 6: with the draft and I'm looking forward to improvement.

1875
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm okay with the draft.

1876
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 5: I'm okay with the draft.

1877
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I just could have done without the three

1878
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 3: interior offensive linemen. But like other than that, I think,

1879
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 3: like I think they got some fun though, Evan, I mean,

1880
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 3: I think though what we're I am.

1881
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 7: I'm okay with the draft.

1882
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 5: I'm okay with it, but I think that this this

1883
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 5: is a critical draft that they had to nail, and

1884
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 5: I don't know if they nailed it, I'm okay with it,

1885
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 5: but I think that that the bar is higher, and

1886
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 5: then if they don't get three plus contributors.

1887
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 7: Out of this class, it's It's like I like to try,

1888
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 7: and I know I don't always do it because we're

1889
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 7: all kind of we all fall into traps. But I

1890
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 7: try to stay consistent with mindsets, and I generally, you know,

1891
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 7: don't feel like you know the day three stuff.

1892
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 5: You're you're you're consistent with that. You never get worked

1893
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 5: up either way about Day three.

1894
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 7: To me, it's all gravy. If you get something out

1895
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 7: of a Day three pick, that's awesome. I don't kill

1896
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 7: teams for not nailing Day three picks. Now, I totally

1897
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,440
Speaker 7: understand where ever it's coming from in terms of mindsets

1898
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 7: and things like that, and everything that Evan is railed

1899
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 7: against today, I would one hundred percent agree with. But

1900
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 7: this is gonna come down to me, Like most drafts,

1901
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 7: if you get a really good player in the first

1902
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 7: round and you get a really good player in the

1903
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 7: second round, that's a pretty good draft. Like if you

1904
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 7: get impact, guys, now, don't confuse starters with impact. Like

1905
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 7: I read something that Daniel Jeremiah was one of his

1906
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 7: conference calls. You know, my my feeling is if you

1907
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 7: get three starters out of a draft, that's a successful draft,

1908
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 7: sure on paper, But who are the starters?

1909
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:21,720
Speaker 26: Right?

1910
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:22,839
Speaker 3: And what starters?

1911
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 6: Bill?

1912
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 7: You know, is it Kyle Duggar that's a good draft pick?

1913
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 6: What was the base line?

1914
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 7: You know, Cole Strange so far that's the starter? That's

1915
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 7: an okay draft pick?

1916
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 16: Right?

1917
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:33,679
Speaker 25: Right?

1918
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 7: Like there's there's a there's a difference there, you know.

1919
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 7: And yeah, and and like you know, three starters on

1920
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 7: like the Chicago Bears isn't the same as three starters

1921
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 7: out of the draft for the Kansas City Chiefs, right, Like,

1922
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 7: how many opportunities are there for you know, a really good,

1923
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 7: you know, perennial playoff team. How many openings they have

1924
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 7: legit starting starting lineup? That's and that's in Tavan's point.

1925
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 5: You feel like that there are still these kind of

1926
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 5: open roster spots that don't really have much competition, and

1927
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 5: and and they're in very important positions. They feel like

1928
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 5: it's like the.

1929
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 7: Thing I reel against all the time. Everybody thinks it, right,

1930
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 7: where'd you go with a safe pick? What's that offs

1931
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 7: round tackle? Safe pick? It's just because those guys play

1932
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 7: and you can't rip them apart like you can Nikhil Harry.

1933
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure grow will get that question tonight. It

1934
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 5: seems like you guys really are stacked up on the

1935
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 5: interior line. Do you have any concern that you might

1936
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 5: have too many and that you're gonna end up having

1937
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 5: to cut some guys that.

1938
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 3: You've recent I think that's a good question. I also

1939
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 3: think the good question is too, is Matt it looks like,

1940
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 3: based off your draft that you really like your offense,

1941
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 3: like you like your ones on the offensive side of

1942
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:46,759
Speaker 3: the football.

1943
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 5: You got to paint them into the corner. So you

1944
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:48,600
Speaker 5: really like it.

1945
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 18: Huh?

1946
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 3: You like the offense right?

1947
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 5: Pumping up for us?

1948
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 7: I think the biggest offense, Yeah, I like my offense comment.

1949
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1950
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing is is that by going

1951
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 3: defense with the first three picks at the top of

1952
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 3: the draft, you did kind of miss the boat and

1953
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:10,679
Speaker 3: getting an impact offensive player at any position, tackle, tight end, wide, receiver, whatever.

1954
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 3: So because you did that, now we're in the part

1955
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 3: of the draft where we're really just throwing darts and

1956
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 3: taking flyers on players with some upside dude to probably trades,

1957
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 3: athletic profiles, things like that, and you kind of missed

1958
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 3: that boat. So that that's the tough part I think

1959
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 3: for me is that you know that Day two pass

1960
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 3: catcher didn't come, that Day two tight end didn't come.

1961
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 3: So I'm not necessarily railing up against These picks are

1962
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 3: a result of the fact that you just missed the

1963
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 3: wave on, you know, in the first three rounds of

1964
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 3: the draft. So now you're at a point where, yeah,

1965
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 3: the receiver you're going to take in the sixth round

1966
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 3: is no different than the receiver you're going to take

1967
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 3: in the fourth.

1968
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 6: Let's go to Ken in Louisiana. Hey, Ken, Kenny, Ken,

1969
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 6: you killed Ken in Louisiana? Is not there? How about

1970
01:28:55,600 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 6: Mike and Braintree? What's up? Mike Forward?

1971
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 16: I'm a long time listener, third time caler.

1972
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:05,759
Speaker 6: Okay, and I had.

1973
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 16: One point to address and two questions about the defense.

1974
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 16: I hope that's not too greedy.

1975
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 6: Okay, go ahead, I'd like to.

1976
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:13,639
Speaker 16: Address I think it was Paul that made the point

1977
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 16: that we are kind of testing Mac Jones to see

1978
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 16: what we really have in him by not assisting him

1979
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 16: in the passing game, by not picking up a pass

1980
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 16: catcher pretty much at all. And I'm wondering, do you

1981
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 16: think he will pass that test this year with the

1982
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 16: new options offensive coordinator or how do you feel about that?

1983
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 6: It's a good question. I don't think anyone knows that.

1984
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 5: I think it's a great question of this year. I mean,

1985
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 5: that's that's you know, how much of an impact and

1986
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 5: difference is Bill O'Brien make with Mac Jones and and

1987
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 5: and the weapons that they clearly are ready to answer.

1988
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 6: He's got to look better than last year. It's not

1989
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 6: a high.

1990
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 7: Will look better than last year?

1991
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 3: Right, that's the big thing. Will he be better than

1992
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 3: he was?

1993
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 6: And it has to look better than his rookie year.

1994
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,639
Speaker 5: Does tread and water at best?

1995
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I'm not saying it will. But in

1996
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 6: order for me to say, oh, Mac Jones is a

1997
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 6: good quarterback, it has to look better than his rookie year.

1998
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 17: Do you have any absolutely agree?

1999
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 16: I have two questions about the defense. One of them

2000
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 16: is kind of basic with the loss of Devin mccordy,

2001
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 16: but the addition of Christian Gonzalez and Kean White. Do

2002
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 16: you think they have improved, stayed the same, or gotten

2003
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 16: a little worse.

2004
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 3: I think they've improved.

2005
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. I just I mean, I always

2006
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:32,639
Speaker 5: think they're going to be pretty good. So it's hard

2007
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 5: for me to say.

2008
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 6: Dallas, who always think he's going to be then that

2009
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 6: trickle effect for the cornerback.

2010
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 7: That should make the secondary better.

2011
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 5: It should, but it's hard to project that.

2012
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 7: That's hard.

2013
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 3: I'm saying it's a huge but he should get them.

2014
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 7: It's hard to say that on day one, But yeah,

2015
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 7: I think I think he should make the rest of

2016
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 7: the cornerback.

2017
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:56,719
Speaker 6: Group everybody else falls into a place where they should

2018
01:30:57,160 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 6: more be playing. I like, I'm talking about Jonathan Jones

2019
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 6: and all those guys moved to places where they should be.

2020
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 3: You know, I wouldn't put like Sauce Gardner level expectations

2021
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 3: on him, but I think like the tier below that

2022
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 3: of rookie impact players is in play for Christian Gonzales.

2023
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 3: I think comparing anybody to Sauce and expecting him to

2024
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 3: win Defensive Rookie of the Year is extremely lofty, But

2025
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 3: you take that next step down, I think he can

2026
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 3: be a high end starter as a rookie.

2027
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 6: Thanks Mike, appreciate the call.

2028
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 5: Uh do you do you have How do you view

2029
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:30,560
Speaker 5: the difference between Mac Jones Mac Jones with Josh McDaniels

2030
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 5: Mac Jones versus Bill O'Brien. I mean not saying, oh,

2031
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 5: I'm one's better or the other, but just I'm wondering

2032
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 5: what the difference is.

2033
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 18: Now.

2034
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 6: The question is, how would Mac Jones be in his

2035
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 6: third year with Josh McDaniels. Because Josh McDaniels got Mac

2036
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:44,120
Speaker 6: when he was a rookie, you know.

2037
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he should be really hit his stride,

2038
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 5: you would think. And that's you know, I just I

2039
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 5: wonder if Bill O'Brien can pick up where he left

2040
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 5: off last year with you know, Maddy p and and

2041
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 5: build on it.

2042
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 6: I think he got to a race last year. You

2043
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 6: got to pick up where he left off with Josh McDaniels.

2044
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, And what is the influence of the college of

2045
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 5: what Bill.

2046
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 3: That's what I'm excited about is that I think people

2047
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 3: assume that Bill O'Brien has the same exact playbook as

2048
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels, just because once upon a time he was

2049
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:13,639
Speaker 3: the Patriots offensive coordinator too. It's a pretty sign. It's

2050
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 3: not significantly different in terms of terminology, but they they

2051
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 3: go about things differently. They're not exactly the same coach.

2052
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think you're gonna see some

2053
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 3: college wrinkles. I do think you're gonna see a little

2054
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 3: bit more of an RBO package. I think you're gonna

2055
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 3: see more empty Bill O'Brien loves to go empty five wide,

2056
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 3: empty host juke. That's that's his staple, right, So I

2057
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 3: think you're gonna see some of that. I think that

2058
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 3: there is a little bit of a more uh, you know,

2059
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 3: Josh mcthio is very old school, full back in the backfield,

2060
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 3: under center, power plays and then play action off of it.

2061
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 3: Bill O'Brien's got a little bit of a different twist

2062
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 3: on things.

2063
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 6: That's what he learned at Carol O'Connor High School back then.

2064
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 3: You know, is that where he went John Carroll University?

2065
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 6: Oh was it John Carroll? Wasn't Carol O'Connor. No, do

2066
01:32:58,920 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 6: you know who Carol?

2067
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 7: We get idea.

2068
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 6: You don't know who he is.

2069
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 3: He was Archie, I know.

2070
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry guy, you forget what you're talking.

2071
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 3: Forgot how wicked, hands.

2072
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:17,879
Speaker 5: Wicked handsome I got coffee.

2073
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 7: I'll tell you one thing I'm excited about that Evan

2074
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 7: talks about with Billy Oh, is that you know that

2075
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 7: story you told about Jameson Williams earlier, Like that that

2076
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 7: kind of stuff to me, like maybe he does have

2077
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 7: some different looks that he has to find to to

2078
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:37,759
Speaker 7: get guys off the line, get guys in the clear.

2079
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 7: Utilize athleticism, you utilize.

2080
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he uses a lot of like different splits and

2081
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 3: bunches and and uh pick plays and rub routes and

2082
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 3: things like that to get those guys off the line

2083
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 3: of scrimmage and and really allow them to open up

2084
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 3: their strides. And with a guy like Taekwon who's rail thin,

2085
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 3: like you don't want him to have to get off

2086
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 3: press man by himself too often. And I think Billy

2087
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 3: O will help him in that regard.

2088
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 6: Let's see Anthony says, oh, I hate this draft after

2089
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 6: the second round? Is it possible? Bill and company think

2090
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 6: keeping on when you and moving him to tackle is

2091
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 6: a future plan. And that's the reason to throw darts

2092
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 6: at the inside O line.

2093
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 5: It's it's you.

2094
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 3: I can't roll it out now. I just I think

2095
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 3: with on Wnu and he's talked about it a little

2096
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 3: bit as well. You just got to find a spot

2097
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 3: for him and let him stick there and let him

2098
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 3: develop as a player. I continuing to move him inside

2099
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 3: and outside. You're playing mind games with him, and it's

2100
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 3: one thing that you have that's that's a good player,

2101
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 3: that you can really hang your hat on that you

2102
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 3: have this really good guard. I just would hate to

2103
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 3: all then kick him back outside and then all of

2104
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,640
Speaker 3: a sudden, it's a whole other can of worms for him.

2105
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 3: And I would also just mention that you know, when

2106
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 3: they flip flop Trent Brown and Isaiah Win, those two

2107
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:52,839
Speaker 3: guys showed up to Mini caamp and had no idea

2108
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 3: that that was going on. So if they're gonna kick

2109
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 3: on outside and that's the plan, then I really hope

2110
01:34:58,280 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 3: that they've communicated that with him.

2111
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 6: Ben and Florida says, I'm someone who believed that Bill

2112
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 6: needed to be fired, not because he can't win games

2113
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 6: as a coach, but because he can no longer build

2114
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 6: a team that competes in today's NFL. When Bill leads

2115
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 6: the Patriots, he will leave behind a team in far

2116
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 6: worse shape than when he became the head coach.

2117
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 7: Will have it that is not true.

2118
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, mister Kraft will have a tough decision to make

2119
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 6: when the Patriots missed the playoff.

2120
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 7: They didn't even have fifty three players when he took over. Yeah,

2121
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 7: that's I mean, that's not true. Yeah, that's a gross exaggeration.

2122
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 3: I would also say it's not true that the players

2123
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:35,880
Speaker 3: that they drafted on defense at the top of the

2124
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:39,360
Speaker 3: draft is archaic. Click Christian Gonzalez is exactly what the

2125
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 3: league wants nowadays, a four to three eight six foot

2126
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 3: one outside corner, and Mapu is like the total opposite

2127
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 3: of dinosaur, you know, two hundred and sixty pound plotting linebacker.

2128
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 3: You know, he's the total antithesis of that. So that

2129
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 3: does give me some hope a little bit that some

2130
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 3: of these guys are that new age pro. Gonzalez is

2131
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:03,639
Speaker 3: what every single team wants at that corner position, long, fast,

2132
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 3: outside corner.

2133
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 6: Rick writes in they're thirty one teams every year that lose,

2134
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:12,679
Speaker 6: thirty one teams that don't win the Super Bowl. Great drafts.

2135
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:15,919
Speaker 6: So far, We've lost the plot drafts from twenty sixteen

2136
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 6: to twenty twenty, but the last three have been solid.

2137
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:21,720
Speaker 6: Building a team inside and out.

2138
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:23,679
Speaker 3: I thought twenty twenty was solid up the middle.

2139
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 7: Twenty twenty was better than last year.

2140
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're zigging without getting two off the plot? Okay,

2141
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:32,720
Speaker 6: all right?

2142
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 7: Like what what is like? You know, forgive me for

2143
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 7: not being hip with the lingo, but what is off

2144
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 7: the plot?

2145
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 18: Need?

2146
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 6: It might be the reservation might be the same thing

2147
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:41,679
Speaker 6: as off the result.

2148
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 7: So taking a guy from Sacramento State in the third

2149
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:46,679
Speaker 7: round is on the reservation.

2150
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 3: It's the opposite of chock Paul correct.

2151
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:54,839
Speaker 6: Let's see. Matt writes in really surprised that three interior

2152
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 6: o line have been taken so far, even though it

2153
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 6: was in need. Are there any tight ends that could

2154
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:03,400
Speaker 6: be targeted in the sixth round to be a blocker

2155
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 6: that maybe some future receiving. I really like to see

2156
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:09,559
Speaker 6: two taken, as I think this is a spot that

2157
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 6: could lead to playing time this year. Also, do you

2158
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 6: believe a punter is inevitable in the sixth round? And

2159
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 6: are there any developmental quarterbacks we're taking?

2160
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 3: So Coons is still on the board, which tells me

2161
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 3: that there's something going on with mister Kons. He did

2162
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 3: he was injured last year, and maybe that injury is

2163
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 3: significant and maybe a long term concern for teams. I

2164
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 3: really do like Brandon Willis from Oklahoma as well, but

2165
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:37,640
Speaker 3: he's more of like h back full back type of

2166
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 3: tight end, not a real true tight end. Other than that,

2167
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 3: we're really were in that straws at that position wide

2168
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 3: receiver though. I still think there's some guys that can

2169
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 3: play at Perry Xavier Hutchinson, Parker Washington, Ronnie Bell, Bryce

2170
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 3: Ford Wheaton to Mario Douglas, Keishaon, Butte is still hanging

2171
01:37:57,960 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 3: on there after that combine.

2172
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:04,599
Speaker 7: You know, Booty, I think you're down for a quarterback

2173
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 7: Tanner McKey, who I don't really like. I don't know

2174
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 7: how you guys are. Yeah, and Max Duggan.

2175
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Max Duggan if

2176
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 3: they had to take a quarterback. I'm glad that Tanner

2177
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 3: McKee is here because I did not see it with

2178
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 3: him at all, and we agreed on a lot of players.

2179
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 3: I was like, what is a surprise? You know, why

2180
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 3: is it? Why is he the consensus second rated quarterback

2181
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 3: in this draft? You know, in that like next tier

2182
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:31,799
Speaker 3: of quarterbacks, right, it was like a fucker and Tanner

2183
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 3: and Tanner McKee and I'm just like what why Like,

2184
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 3: I would much rather Jake Hayner than this kid.

2185
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 7: I liked j Cayner a little bit, a little small,

2186
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 7: but I liked him.

2187
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 6: We are onto the sixth round, and yes we are

2188
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 6: already made their first pick. The Patriots are sitting at

2189
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 6: ten in the sixth round. They also have fifteen. They've

2190
01:38:53,439 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 6: got a choice at thirty three and thirty seven. Four

2191
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 6: he picks in this round.

2192
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 3: Oh so they're also just to mention, not past catching this.

2193
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 3: But running backs still has some running There's still some

2194
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 3: running backs on the board. That would be Juice fawn

2195
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 3: is still on the board. Dwayne McBride from UA B

2196
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:16,479
Speaker 3: is still on the board. Sean Tucker from Syracuse is decent,

2197
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 3: Kenny McIntosh, Chris Rodriguez, Zach Evans. Yeah, there's still some

2198
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 3: The running backs are not gone yet.

2199
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 7: My Syracuse source says, don't sleep on that.

2200
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 5: Sean Tucker is a decent player. I know you.

2201
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:37,520
Speaker 6: It is not Aaron no Robin Robin san Diego via Connecticut.

2202
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 6: I'd like to push back a bit on the Day

2203
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 6: three messaging that if the first two picks pan out,

2204
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 6: then this was a good draft. I agree with Paul's

2205
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:48,400
Speaker 6: initial take on Day one that Bill kind of lucked

2206
01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 6: out with Gonzales falling. If you like him, just pick

2207
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 6: him at fourteen, especially if you're not trading up later.

2208
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 5: Can we move on.

2209
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:58,000
Speaker 6: I'm not sure how any of the other picks helped

2210
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 6: the Patriots this year or couldn't have been f later

2211
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 6: in the draft, freeing up space for at least one

2212
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:06,639
Speaker 6: offensive skill position player. The team is constituted today after

2213
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:09,679
Speaker 6: free agency and the draft cannot compete with the Bills

2214
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 6: on paper and are up for debate with the Dolphins

2215
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 6: and Jets. I agree with the callers that mister Krafts

2216
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:18,160
Speaker 6: words are ringing hollow as Bill does the same thing

2217
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 6: and the team is not becoming more competitive.

2218
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:24,200
Speaker 7: Before I let the guys go in with the real analysis,

2219
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:27,760
Speaker 7: I would just ask give me the five guys they

2220
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:29,719
Speaker 7: should have taken in Day three that would have allowed

2221
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 7: them to be on par on paper with Buffalo.

2222
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:35,320
Speaker 3: I don't think that they could have really done anything

2223
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 3: in this offseason other than changing the quarterback. I could

2224
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:42,840
Speaker 3: have given it in the first I could get Jerry

2225
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 3: Juti Higgins to compete with Buffalo.

2226
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 7: I could give you the first ten picks today, first

2227
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 7: ten picks of the fourth round are all yours. You're

2228
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:53,639
Speaker 7: not going to be on paper competitive with Kansas City

2229
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 7: or Buffalo. You don't do it with you know, the

2230
01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 7: hundredth to the one hundred and tenth player in a draft. Disagree,

2231
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 7: That's not how it works.

2232
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:03,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know.

2233
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:05,680
Speaker 7: That's why I look at it, like, I think they

2234
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 7: got good players with the first two picks. And if

2235
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:10,439
Speaker 7: those two guys are really good players, you're not gonna

2236
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:12,880
Speaker 7: sit there and say, yeah, it was a pretty good draft.

2237
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:16,880
Speaker 7: But like we missed out on. Now, somebody that got

2238
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:18,840
Speaker 7: taken today is going to turn out to be a

2239
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:20,480
Speaker 7: really good player, right, it always.

2240
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 3: Happens, Charlie Jones.

2241
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:25,920
Speaker 7: But you don't know, Like, no, it's just hard to

2242
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 7: sit there and say, wow, they really dropped the ball,

2243
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:30,679
Speaker 7: Like they didn't, Charlie Jones.

2244
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they dropped the ball, but they missed

2245
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:35,200
Speaker 3: the boat in the top one hundred that if they

2246
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:38,679
Speaker 3: wanted to add an impact playmaker on the offensive side

2247
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:40,599
Speaker 3: of the ball, it had to happen in the first

2248
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:42,720
Speaker 3: two nights of the draft, and by going defense with

2249
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 3: those first three picks, they missed the boat then. And

2250
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 3: now you're getting into a point where I agree to

2251
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 3: that with them to an extent that I don't think

2252
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 3: that there is a difference between the receiver you're going

2253
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 3: to get in the fourth round besides Charlie Jones, because

2254
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:58,400
Speaker 3: that's my guy, but the receiver you're gonna get in

2255
01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:00,640
Speaker 3: the fourth round and the receiver they if they do

2256
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:02,920
Speaker 3: draft a receiver with one of these sixth round picks,

2257
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:06,800
Speaker 3: it's it's a diamond dozen at this point. So I'm

2258
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 3: not going to argue with them too much on that.

2259
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:10,720
Speaker 3: But I think what go back to my point at

2260
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 3: the beginning is that they essentially did not add any

2261
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:18,920
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three talent to the offense via the draft.

2262
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 3: They didn't add a single offensive player that's going to

2263
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 3: help the twenty twenty three Patriots, and I think that

2264
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 3: that is a big indictment on this class, regardless of

2265
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 3: how Christian Gonzales and Kean White and Mapu and those

2266
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:31,800
Speaker 3: guys work out.

2267
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 5: It's funny you say that, because when we talked to

2268
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:35,840
Speaker 5: Bill O'Brien yesterday, it almost sounds like he kind of

2269
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:38,639
Speaker 5: acknowledged it to a way, like, you know, in his response,

2270
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 5: he's just like he's like, look, I'm concerned with the

2271
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 5: guys that are here. You know, just one point I'd

2272
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:44,519
Speaker 5: like to make though, and I kind of touched on

2273
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:47,240
Speaker 5: it last night. It's like, are people really happy with

2274
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 5: like the defensive front? Like I mean, is everyone just

2275
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:52,519
Speaker 5: ready to run it back with Guy and Godshaw and

2276
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:55,600
Speaker 5: Barmore and Dietrich Wise and you know, like like you

2277
01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 5: think that that's that group's going to get you over

2278
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 5: the hump against Buffalo as far as that specific position group.

2279
01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:04,639
Speaker 5: So like, I just personally, I think that you've seen

2280
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:06,679
Speaker 5: those guys you talk about, we know what we're getting

2281
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:08,600
Speaker 5: out of those guys. You need it to add some

2282
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:11,360
Speaker 5: kind of thing in there to maybe offer a potential

2283
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:13,640
Speaker 5: ceiling burster that you know, And I think that I

2284
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 5: don't know if White's going to be that guy, but

2285
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:17,160
Speaker 5: at least now I feel like they've got a guy

2286
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:18,920
Speaker 5: that can fill multiple roles. And if one of these

2287
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 5: guys starts to fade and they say, hey, Lawrence, guy,

2288
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:23,639
Speaker 5: you just don't got it anymore, Like maybe you actually

2289
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 5: have something that can make an impact against Buffalo on

2290
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:27,719
Speaker 5: that side of the ball. I know it's not offense

2291
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 5: and we're not gonna be able to keep paced with

2292
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:30,799
Speaker 5: thirty five whatever, but a good player.

2293
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 7: But you make it as long as you as long

2294
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:34,720
Speaker 7: as you took a good player, Like.

2295
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:37,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's and he is. I mean, he's a good player.

2296
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 5: I don't know if he's going to be as good

2297
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:40,560
Speaker 5: as they need him to be, but I think he

2298
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:40,920
Speaker 5: should be.

2299
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:42,760
Speaker 7: I just don't know, like if he turns out to

2300
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:44,839
Speaker 7: be a really, really good player, how much that impacts

2301
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:47,599
Speaker 7: wins and losses? You know, if he's not a guy

2302
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 7: who impacks the passing game, right, And that's a question. Yeah,

2303
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:52,799
Speaker 7: I'll see him play and I'll.

2304
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 6: Say, oh no.

2305
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,479
Speaker 7: But like I mean the obvious example and not apples

2306
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 7: to oranges here, I mean not apples to apples. Everybody

2307
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 7: in the said Tom Brady. He has all the you know,

2308
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 7: all the intangibles, but he doesn't really have like the

2309
01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 7: arm strength is in question. The first day Fred Bryan

2310
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:11,720
Speaker 7: and I went out to rookie Mannie Camp, I was like,

2311
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:14,760
Speaker 7: he throws the ball. Fine, what are they talking about? Yeah,

2312
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 7: Like it was clearly apparent that he could throw the

2313
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:21,760
Speaker 7: ball just as well as a lot of other guys

2314
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:24,599
Speaker 7: that played in the National Football League. Yeah, like maybe

2315
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 7: I'll watch keyon White. Now what are they talking about?

2316
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:31,000
Speaker 7: This guy has potential to be an impact player in

2317
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:33,320
Speaker 7: the passing game. He can he can get after the passer.

2318
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 6: We won't know until preseason.

2319
01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 7: No, no, no, well you won't know until the season season, right,

2320
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 7: But like Dan Klecko was a stud pass rusher in

2321
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 7: the preseason.

2322
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:43,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they didn't trade up for him. But

2323
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 5: it reminds me a bit of bar Moore, you know.

2324
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 5: And it wasn't that like glaring need. But you're in

2325
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:49,240
Speaker 5: the second round and you say, hey, we got a

2326
01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 5: potential impact front seven guy that you know, and to

2327
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:56,680
Speaker 5: Paul's point in success, he's an every down player. He's

2328
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:58,360
Speaker 5: a guy that's gonna be able to set the edge

2329
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 5: and be heavy against the run. And then when it

2330
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:02,680
Speaker 5: comes to passing downs you put with the speed on

2331
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:04,559
Speaker 5: the outside, you got Jude on coming off the other

2332
01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 5: and then you got him and Barmore in the middle

2333
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 5: causing chaos. I mean, that's the that's the dream scenario

2334
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 5: that he's a three down guy that impacts the.

2335
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:12,599
Speaker 7: Run in but at the same time, the other guy

2336
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:15,040
Speaker 7: needs to do that too. Barmore Yeah, oh yeah, because

2337
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 7: even though he's my crush, you remember this before you

2338
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:20,040
Speaker 7: were here, V I mean, yeah, he was bounce back

2339
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:22,719
Speaker 7: for sure. Yeah, but a little disappointed. Maybe it's because

2340
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 7: of my mind because I had him at a level

2341
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 7: maybe that was too high and he hasn't reached it.

2342
01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 7: But if those two guys could do what you just said,

2343
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 7: Mike again, you're gonna look back at this draft and say,

2344
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:35,679
Speaker 7: I got a corner who can cover and I don't

2345
01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:37,639
Speaker 7: have to hide him when we played the good receivers

2346
01:45:38,439 --> 01:45:40,880
Speaker 7: and I have a you know, these two guys that

2347
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:44,880
Speaker 7: really like not using words like Aaron Donald or anything

2348
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 7: like that, but I had these two guys on the

2349
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 7: inside that can be disrupted right right to come out ways.

2350
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 3: I think that's the key word is both Barmore and

2351
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 3: Keon Wide are really similar to the fact that they're disruptive,

2352
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 3: but they're not the guys that are going to get

2353
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 3: the sacks right right and adds Jude On and that

2354
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:02,040
Speaker 3: and that's the idea.

2355
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:05,599
Speaker 5: That right they eat the block gets the exactly.

2356
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:08,280
Speaker 6: I'm good with that. Sam in Toronto writes in does

2357
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:10,840
Speaker 6: anyone find it curious that Bill puts so much stock

2358
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:14,840
Speaker 6: in player character, maturity and culture fit over talent when

2359
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 6: his favorite player of all time is Lawrence Taylor. Hypothetically,

2360
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 6: if Lawrence Taylor was coming out of college today and

2361
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 6: was on the board. Does anyone believe Bill would draft?

2362
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:25,680
Speaker 5: I like this question, and I've actually been putting some

2363
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 5: thought into that, and I think that there's two things.

2364
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 7: I think.

2365
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 5: I think that there are certain players that are just

2366
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:33,760
Speaker 5: freaks that he can't stay away from. They're so good

2367
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:36,360
Speaker 5: at football. He's got to overlook some stuff. But I

2368
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:39,200
Speaker 5: would say generally, I think he knows how things go here,

2369
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:41,200
Speaker 5: and if you're not like one of those guys like

2370
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:44,000
Speaker 5: I mentioned earlier that's a football nerd and lives eats,

2371
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:46,880
Speaker 5: breathed football, you're not going to be set up for

2372
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 5: success here. So I think that that that's somewhat of

2373
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:51,519
Speaker 5: a degree because you know, because of him, like I

2374
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 5: know a lot of guys that have been successful without

2375
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:56,439
Speaker 5: that trait. Oh yeah, but because of what he does.

2376
01:46:57,320 --> 01:46:59,120
Speaker 7: He knows he's not going to pick you. He knows,

2377
01:46:59,240 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 7: you know.

2378
01:46:59,479 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 3: It's funny. I was talking to Matt Light about the

2379
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 3: thing I'm doing on Dante Scarnekia, and he said something

2380
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:07,479
Speaker 3: to me that really didn't stand out for this piece

2381
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 3: and necessarily but standed out about his career with the

2382
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:13,360
Speaker 3: draft coming up, and he said that he hated watching film,

2383
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:14,639
Speaker 3: He hated football.

2384
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:15,920
Speaker 7: He never saw a game.

2385
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was kind of one of the guys that

2386
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 5: popped up.

2387
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 3: He hated watching film, he hated meetings, He couldn't stay awake.

2388
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:28,559
Speaker 3: He said he walked in his first day getting here

2389
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:31,439
Speaker 3: after the draft, and he walked up to Dante and

2390
01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:33,640
Speaker 3: he said he was trying to convince Dante that he

2391
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:36,720
Speaker 3: could sleep during meetings and and everything would be fine

2392
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:38,760
Speaker 3: if he didn't pay attention during the meetings. And then

2393
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 3: he also told him some great stories about how he

2394
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:43,560
Speaker 3: would just you know, mess with Dante, you know, and

2395
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:47,439
Speaker 3: play pranks on him, like, you know, replacing the remote

2396
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:49,680
Speaker 3: with the remote that will zap you instead of one

2397
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:51,080
Speaker 3: that you know, stuff like that.

2398
01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:52,960
Speaker 5: And I'm thinking to myself, this is.

2399
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 3: A Red Jacket player, this is a Patriot Hall of Famer,

2400
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:01,680
Speaker 3: and we're talking about a guy. But then when we

2401
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 3: get to the draft, we get emails like that, and

2402
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:06,200
Speaker 3: there's some merit to it that they want these football guys.

2403
01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:09,200
Speaker 3: It's like Matt Light was the total opposite of that.

2404
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:11,439
Speaker 3: He was just good at football and he just made

2405
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:11,800
Speaker 3: it work.

2406
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:14,800
Speaker 7: It's just Lawrence Tail, you know, to the email, like

2407
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:19,840
Speaker 7: I think that he would rather have, Like listen, I

2408
01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 7: don't remember what the talk of with Lawrence tail off

2409
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 7: the field was when he was coming out whatever, but

2410
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 7: I think he would rather have guys like Lawrence Taylor

2411
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:34,519
Speaker 7: the second go around. That's when he lost the talent,

2412
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:38,639
Speaker 7: like you know. But now but now they've flamed out.

2413
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,200
Speaker 7: Well for whatever reason, they're available and now I get

2414
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 7: them on my terms. I think he'd rather have that situation.

2415
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:47,120
Speaker 7: Then I'm taking this guy number two, because everybody loves

2416
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:49,559
Speaker 7: this guy. I mean everybody like he's a can't miss.

2417
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:52,200
Speaker 7: I think you'd rather have it. Well, he missed and

2418
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 7: now I'm going to fix them.

2419
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:55,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some guys in this draft, like just talking

2420
01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:58,920
Speaker 3: about Mapou and some of the linebackers that went around there,

2421
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 3: like Tomorrio over from Texas was a guy has a

2422
01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:05,719
Speaker 3: very very similar skill set like this hybrid safety linebacker

2423
01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:09,280
Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty pounds, really athletic. But Overshown has

2424
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 3: been hyped in the draft for two straight years now

2425
01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 3: because he might have come out as a junior. He's

2426
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:17,080
Speaker 3: a five star recruit, he played football at Texas. He

2427
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:20,360
Speaker 3: just my guess is that he's that type of guy

2428
01:49:20,439 --> 01:49:23,759
Speaker 3: that just thinks he's s doesn't stink and like already

2429
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 3: knows that he's a big man on campus. Whereas this

2430
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 3: Mapu kid from Sacramento State's gonna come here with a

2431
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:32,880
Speaker 3: chip on his shoulder, a work ethic, a guy that

2432
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:34,799
Speaker 3: you know, Mike, you were talking about how he grinds

2433
01:49:34,920 --> 01:49:37,360
Speaker 3: tape and all this kind of stuff like that. In

2434
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:39,599
Speaker 3: the third round, like, yeah, I think they would rather

2435
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 3: have the culture fit. Maybe at the top of the

2436
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:44,160
Speaker 3: draft they wouldn't care as much, but I think in

2437
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:45,800
Speaker 3: the third round it does matter to them.

2438
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:49,759
Speaker 6: Richard in Ohio says, I want to make one thing clear. First,

2439
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:52,320
Speaker 6: we are not winning the Super Bowl this season. I

2440
01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:55,280
Speaker 6: don't see why people are going around like chicken little

2441
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:58,240
Speaker 6: screaming the sky is falling. With these Day three picks,

2442
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:01,840
Speaker 6: rounds one through three, all three players will start, that's

2443
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:05,759
Speaker 6: my prediction. But these Day three guys are for the future.

2444
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:08,599
Speaker 6: We always have this draft grief every year. I don't

2445
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:09,320
Speaker 6: understand it.

2446
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:12,759
Speaker 7: Well, it's just it's the it's the We don't always

2447
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:13,639
Speaker 7: have this draft grief.

2448
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:16,320
Speaker 5: It's the sum of the parts of the last few seasons.

2449
01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:17,720
Speaker 5: And you know, you're just you're getting to the point.

2450
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:20,120
Speaker 5: As I said before, where you can't afford to miss

2451
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 5: on these guys. They have to find some blue chip

2452
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:24,920
Speaker 5: players that change games. And you know, maybe you're right

2453
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:27,080
Speaker 5: those first three picks, they picked, what three guys on

2454
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:29,439
Speaker 5: each level of the defense, Maybe they do all pan

2455
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:31,439
Speaker 5: out and maybe those three guys form a new core

2456
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:34,240
Speaker 5: of a defense that fits more into the modern game

2457
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:36,920
Speaker 5: because it didn't fit the offensive needs that you know,

2458
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:39,240
Speaker 5: we're so desperate for after last season, and it's such

2459
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:42,080
Speaker 5: a triggering thing after watching that offense and how inept

2460
01:50:42,120 --> 01:50:44,599
Speaker 5: they were. But I do think that there's something there

2461
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:47,080
Speaker 5: of you know, maybe maybe there are some some pieces

2462
01:50:47,120 --> 01:50:49,680
Speaker 5: on defense that you know, can carry you into that

2463
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:51,920
Speaker 5: next kind of level, that different kind of football that

2464
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:53,000
Speaker 5: we feel like they need to play.

2465
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I know that it's like a little snappy

2466
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 7: thing like they're not going to win the super Bowl

2467
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:58,960
Speaker 7: this year? Okay. I mean I would probably agree that

2468
01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:01,160
Speaker 7: no matter what happened this draft, they weren't going to

2469
01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:03,600
Speaker 7: be a Super Bowl contender. Can I expect to be

2470
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 7: closer to.

2471
01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:07,599
Speaker 5: That goal after a draft against the good teams?

2472
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 7: You know, That's what I'm saying, Like, Can I? And

2473
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:14,080
Speaker 7: what I'm hoping is, as we've been talking about Christian

2474
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 7: Gonzales makes you a little bit more prepared to go

2475
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:18,600
Speaker 7: against some of these high powered passing games, and that

2476
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:21,679
Speaker 7: helps you. And we just talked about key on White

2477
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:23,800
Speaker 7: like kind of the last segment about how him and

2478
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:26,280
Speaker 7: Barmore could help you be a little bit more disruptive

2479
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:29,240
Speaker 7: in the front seven. And if that happens, then I

2480
01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 7: think you are a little bit closer because now instead

2481
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 7: of having a defense that's let's face it, let's let's

2482
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:37,720
Speaker 7: be honest, is paper tigers. They beat up on a

2483
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:39,639
Speaker 7: lot of bad teams and they struggle against good ones.

2484
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:41,960
Speaker 7: Now you have a team that beats up on bad

2485
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:44,720
Speaker 7: teams and is competitive against the good ones possible. So

2486
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:47,439
Speaker 7: that makes you closer to where you want to be.

2487
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:48,160
Speaker 7: What's wrong with that?

2488
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:50,719
Speaker 3: I do wonder if they looked at the thing along

2489
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:53,680
Speaker 3: those same lines. I do wonder if they looked at

2490
01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 3: their roster and they said, in order to get one

2491
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:01,000
Speaker 3: side of the ball to that point where we're competitive

2492
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:03,559
Speaker 3: with the really good teams in the league, we don't

2493
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:06,360
Speaker 3: have the draft capital to do it on both sides

2494
01:52:06,360 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 3: of the football in this draft the way that the

2495
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 3: board was shaking out, so instead they really attack defense

2496
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 3: early in the draft and now maybe they feel like

2497
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:18,400
Speaker 3: they have the defense settled, and yeah, we still need

2498
01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:21,960
Speaker 3: to worry about the offense and that still has glaring needs.

2499
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:25,280
Speaker 3: But I don't know if they did what we could right. Yeah,

2500
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:26,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if they felt like they could do

2501
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:28,599
Speaker 3: it all right in this draft. It's not like they're

2502
01:52:28,640 --> 01:52:31,280
Speaker 3: the Texans that had they had two first round picks.

2503
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:32,680
Speaker 7: You just got to hope that they find a way

2504
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:35,839
Speaker 7: to retain the guys that you deem worthy of retention.

2505
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:38,080
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, on the flip side, just looking

2506
01:52:38,160 --> 01:52:41,080
Speaker 5: at the defense's depth start right now, like it's intriguing

2507
01:52:41,120 --> 01:52:42,360
Speaker 5: to me. I mean, you know, I know, I know

2508
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:44,560
Speaker 5: they have some questions with you know, mccordy on the

2509
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:46,280
Speaker 5: back end, but you look at Mills, maybe he can

2510
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:48,880
Speaker 5: slide into that role. But with all the strong safeties,

2511
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:52,040
Speaker 5: with bringing Peppers back, with having Marcus Jones and Jack Jones,

2512
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:53,240
Speaker 5: you know, what are they going to be like in

2513
01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:56,679
Speaker 5: their second seasons? There's some pieces here. And I would

2514
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:59,080
Speaker 5: just say, lastly, like if I looked at that front seven,

2515
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:01,639
Speaker 5: you know, more of the defense line guys without Keyon White,

2516
01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:03,880
Speaker 5: I would be underwhelm right now. I'd be like, it's

2517
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 5: the same group. If Barmore gets hurt again, it's the

2518
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:09,040
Speaker 5: same group, the same kind of problems. There's nothing there

2519
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:11,320
Speaker 5: that played reasonably well last year, wouldn't you say? I

2520
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:13,160
Speaker 5: thought they did a decent I thought they were improved

2521
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 5: against the run, and I thought that they did a

2522
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:17,160
Speaker 5: great job of I mean, maybe you could argue that

2523
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:19,600
Speaker 5: they schemed up the pressure, but I mean they were

2524
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:21,360
Speaker 5: among the league leaders in sacks, right.

2525
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:23,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I don't think Maybe they always, you know,

2526
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:25,920
Speaker 3: they always scheme up pressure. I'm not going to say

2527
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:28,360
Speaker 3: that they didn't, but I think josh U j really

2528
01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:31,080
Speaker 3: took that next step as a pass rusher and became

2529
01:53:31,120 --> 01:53:32,360
Speaker 3: a real force for them.

2530
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:35,320
Speaker 5: I'm really anxious if he takes another step and White

2531
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 5: kind of integrates into the pass rush a little bit,

2532
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 5: maybe if he's able to get some push and you know,

2533
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:42,840
Speaker 5: upgrade whatever they got from a quality last year. You know,

2534
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 5: I mean, there's there's there's some pieces here, for sure.

2535
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:49,320
Speaker 6: Paul and Arkansas says, I cannot believe the absolute crying

2536
01:53:49,400 --> 01:53:52,120
Speaker 6: and moaning. Did the writer really say Bill doesn't know

2537
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:54,719
Speaker 6: how to build a team. We just drafted a lockdown

2538
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:58,759
Speaker 6: corner and all American linebacker slash safety hybrid and stocked

2539
01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:01,680
Speaker 6: up on lineman depth. Would we desperately needed replaced our

2540
01:54:01,720 --> 01:54:04,559
Speaker 6: forty year old kicker who doesn't have a leg. Come on, people,

2541
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:06,200
Speaker 6: we're beholding.

2542
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 7: An a linebacker from Sacramento.

2543
01:54:09,439 --> 01:54:11,840
Speaker 6: Defense as of right now on paper is one of

2544
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:12,800
Speaker 6: the best in the league.

2545
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:14,000
Speaker 5: Defensive player of the year too.

2546
01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:22,280
Speaker 3: The what writers, Okay, yeah it was the email. I

2547
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:24,240
Speaker 3: just want to make sure that everybody knows we didn't

2548
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:25,600
Speaker 3: We didn't say anything.

2549
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:27,600
Speaker 7: You know, But I mean, can you talk about a

2550
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:32,200
Speaker 7: ridiculously overly optimistic view of the I mean, if if

2551
01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:35,400
Speaker 7: Marpoo works out and I'm wrong, great, fine, an All

2552
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:41,560
Speaker 7: American linebacker they draft safe safety linebacker hybrid from Zacrimento State.

2553
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:44,720
Speaker 7: Like to Evans's point, if they took the same pick

2554
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:48,040
Speaker 7: with Overshan, I at least would be able to say

2555
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:51,680
Speaker 7: he did it at the highest level. The size wasn't

2556
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:52,080
Speaker 7: a problem.

2557
01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:52,320
Speaker 1: Now.

2558
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:56,320
Speaker 7: About an hour ago we talked at length about Gerard

2559
01:54:56,360 --> 01:54:58,280
Speaker 7: Mayo working with this guy and trying to get out

2560
01:54:58,280 --> 01:55:00,560
Speaker 7: just I don't worry about him mentally at all. I

2561
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:02,720
Speaker 7: worry about whether or not he's physically gifted enough to

2562
01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:06,480
Speaker 7: make a jump from Sacramento State to the NFL. That's

2563
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:07,960
Speaker 7: the only thing I have concerns about.

2564
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:09,400
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't.

2565
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:13,400
Speaker 7: He's a film junkie. Great, I don't worry about him

2566
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:15,720
Speaker 7: being prepared. Yeah, I worry about him being able to

2567
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:16,760
Speaker 7: play at this level.

2568
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:18,680
Speaker 3: And as good as he was at the senior boy there,

2569
01:55:18,920 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I mentioned the screen where he got flattened

2570
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:24,200
Speaker 3: by the Minnesota Center, but there are he's he's gonna

2571
01:55:24,200 --> 01:55:26,920
Speaker 3: get blocked if he gets caught right like he's he's

2572
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:29,040
Speaker 3: one of those guys that needs to win with his

2573
01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:32,840
Speaker 3: explosiveness and with his athleticism. The second that he gets

2574
01:55:32,920 --> 01:55:34,800
Speaker 3: caught by an offensive lineman, he's gonna end up in

2575
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:35,160
Speaker 3: the ground.

2576
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:38,760
Speaker 7: Might have been able to play like a hybrid role

2577
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:42,080
Speaker 7: at that size because of the level he was playing at.

2578
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:45,920
Speaker 7: Like I mean, Matt Milano is not that much bigger

2579
01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:48,320
Speaker 7: than that, right right, Evan. I think it might have

2580
01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:50,400
Speaker 7: been off air, but Evan brought up Matt Milano a

2581
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:53,840
Speaker 7: long time ago, and he's not that much bigger. But again,

2582
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:56,960
Speaker 7: you know, Boston College is not Sacramento State. He played

2583
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:57,600
Speaker 7: in the ACC.

2584
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:01,280
Speaker 6: Let's go to Tyler and Marylyn, one of our last

2585
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:03,320
Speaker 6: callers of the show, what's up, Tyler.

2586
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:08,280
Speaker 26: But going on, guys, hey, seeing how the draft played out,

2587
01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:13,520
Speaker 26: if party all wondering should we have taken maybe Za

2588
01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:16,240
Speaker 26: Flyers or Christian Goan Zaliz just seeing how it's played out,

2589
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:18,760
Speaker 26: I'm glad they like that.

2590
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:21,440
Speaker 7: No, I would have been okay with that. I mean,

2591
01:56:21,480 --> 01:56:23,080
Speaker 7: I like, I like Gonzalas. I'm fine with.

2592
01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:25,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would I choose Gonzales over over.

2593
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:29,800
Speaker 7: Okay, I like Gonzaldies. That was my dream.

2594
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 3: The two second guesses I'm going to have from this

2595
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:39,040
Speaker 3: draft at the receiver position are not maybe not Jonathan Mingo,

2596
01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:41,880
Speaker 3: like because I think he got drafted at thirty eight

2597
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:44,160
Speaker 3: or thirty nine, so you could have packaged some picket

2598
01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:47,160
Speaker 3: picks to move up and draft a guy like Jonathan Mingo.

2599
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:49,200
Speaker 3: And then Downs like those are going to be the two.

2600
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:52,040
Speaker 3: If Downs ends up being a good player in Indianapolis,

2601
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:55,000
Speaker 3: that's gonna be. That's gonna be the one that's gonna stay.

2602
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:55,880
Speaker 5: Assume here this year.

2603
01:56:56,600 --> 01:56:59,280
Speaker 6: Patriots are two picks away, so we're going on for

2604
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:02,080
Speaker 6: that pick close to four. But we'll stay on the air.

2605
01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:07,920
Speaker 6: That Patriots pick always given you more. Yeah, we'll stay

2606
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:10,640
Speaker 6: in the air till that tenth pick of the sixth round,

2607
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:12,680
Speaker 6: number one eighty seven overall.

2608
01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:15,960
Speaker 7: Three again pick you're out, Yeah.

2609
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:19,040
Speaker 6: The Jags, the Jaguars, pick is in, It's then it's

2610
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:20,600
Speaker 6: the Titans, then it's the Patriots.

2611
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:21,440
Speaker 5: Nothing and like it.

2612
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:25,080
Speaker 6: So while we're waiting for that, Connor in Boston says,

2613
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:27,120
Speaker 6: not sure if you guys have mentioned it yet, but

2614
01:57:27,320 --> 01:57:31,560
Speaker 6: fifth round pick Antonio Maffi has two Patriots connections. He's

2615
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:35,040
Speaker 6: Devin Asiassi's cousin and went to the same high school

2616
01:57:35,160 --> 01:57:36,760
Speaker 6: as Brady and San Matteo.

2617
01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:38,000
Speaker 5: Grow up of Patriots fans.

2618
01:57:38,120 --> 01:57:41,680
Speaker 7: We did mention the high school I didn't know about.

2619
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:48,680
Speaker 6: Okay, let's see. Colin writes in love the coverage. I

2620
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:51,720
Speaker 6: was almost as excited that Deuce and Evan had Gonzales

2621
01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:54,000
Speaker 6: on their big boards as they was that we drafted him.

2622
01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:56,400
Speaker 6: I'm really let down we passed on all the wide

2623
01:57:56,440 --> 01:57:58,520
Speaker 6: receivers and tight ends in the second and third round.

2624
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:02,600
Speaker 6: My question interior o line picks, is there any chance

2625
01:58:02,920 --> 01:58:05,280
Speaker 6: they are thinking of bumping on when you or strange

2626
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:05,960
Speaker 6: to tackle?

2627
01:58:06,440 --> 01:58:07,040
Speaker 3: Not strange?

2628
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:09,880
Speaker 5: I actually, I mean we did talk about that already

2629
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:11,240
Speaker 5: a little bit. I mean, what about it when you

2630
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:13,840
Speaker 5: trade and everybody wants to trade somebody going into the

2631
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:14,760
Speaker 5: last year of their deal.

2632
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:17,120
Speaker 3: Let's trade one of the good players we have.

2633
01:58:17,680 --> 01:58:19,200
Speaker 7: I really don't like that.

2634
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:21,240
Speaker 3: I understand why you're thinking.

2635
01:58:21,440 --> 01:58:23,320
Speaker 7: No, I do too. I get the why. I just

2636
01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:25,080
Speaker 7: don't want it. If you could get a player, you know,

2637
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:27,000
Speaker 7: what is that? What are you getting from Michael?

2638
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:30,600
Speaker 5: Well, you package him in a pick next year, maybe get.

2639
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:36,440
Speaker 7: You You're not getting Jerry Judy for a guard. Well

2640
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:39,640
Speaker 7: I shouldn't. I shouldn't say you're not because I never

2641
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:42,840
Speaker 7: dismissed the abject stupidity of the remainder of the league.

2642
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:44,440
Speaker 5: I wish someone could talk me out of it, because

2643
01:58:44,440 --> 01:58:46,160
Speaker 5: I just and I and this all came about because

2644
01:58:46,160 --> 01:58:47,960
Speaker 5: of the cold strange thing. It's like with a guard.

2645
01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:50,960
Speaker 5: I don't mean to disrespect the position, but it's just like,

2646
01:58:51,240 --> 01:58:54,240
Speaker 5: even if you get the two absolute best guards in

2647
01:58:54,280 --> 01:58:57,080
Speaker 5: the whole league, does it make that much of a difference.

2648
01:58:57,240 --> 01:58:58,800
Speaker 5: That's like, is it that much of a difference then

2649
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:01,480
Speaker 5: if you had the two most average guards in the league.

2650
01:59:02,160 --> 01:59:04,040
Speaker 7: Much lesser extent. That's what I'm talking about.

2651
01:59:04,080 --> 01:59:06,600
Speaker 3: With like bar More and White, I think that the

2652
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:10,360
Speaker 3: the other because I'm going I'm going more positive I'm

2653
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:12,360
Speaker 3: trying to be a little bit more sunshiny because I

2654
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:14,680
Speaker 3: agree that getting all hot and bothered by fourth round

2655
01:59:14,720 --> 01:59:16,960
Speaker 3: picks is probably not the right thing to do. I

2656
01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:19,920
Speaker 3: do think that you can take some solace from this

2657
01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:22,680
Speaker 3: draft that they hit at the top of the draft

2658
01:59:23,200 --> 01:59:26,240
Speaker 3: on what I do really believe is a premium position

2659
01:59:26,360 --> 01:59:29,080
Speaker 3: in corner. And I think they would argue that defensive

2660
01:59:29,200 --> 01:59:31,640
Speaker 3: end is a premium position on their on their in

2661
01:59:31,720 --> 01:59:35,320
Speaker 3: their system, on their defense. So this is not a guard, right,

2662
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:37,520
Speaker 3: And I think that you're just talking about all these guards.

2663
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:40,600
Speaker 3: It's like that that was the problem with with a

2664
01:59:40,680 --> 01:59:44,240
Speaker 3: pick like Cole Strange, was that that position just inherently

2665
01:59:44,360 --> 01:59:47,360
Speaker 3: doesn't move the needle. Yeah, it just isn't a premium

2666
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:50,720
Speaker 3: position that is going to make a difference in your team.

2667
01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:53,720
Speaker 3: So they got they got some players in here at

2668
01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:55,360
Speaker 3: the top of the draft that at least are at

2669
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:58,640
Speaker 3: positions that you can say that's a number one corner,

2670
01:59:58,760 --> 02:00:01,720
Speaker 3: that's maybe another wrecker on the defensive line, and that

2671
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:03,640
Speaker 3: matters against a good team.

2672
02:00:03,760 --> 02:00:06,480
Speaker 6: Jake and Chicago says, somebody get Evan off the ledge.

2673
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:09,480
Speaker 6: I'm thrilled to have some depth. We have a pocket

2674
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:12,120
Speaker 6: passer in mac Jones, and he had zero time last year.

2675
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:14,440
Speaker 6: It starts with the old line. They have plenty of

2676
02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:18,280
Speaker 6: pass catchers. Even Born commented last season that Mac needed

2677
02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:18,920
Speaker 6: more time.

2678
02:00:19,600 --> 02:00:22,040
Speaker 5: So why does depth at the offensive line help that?

2679
02:00:22,360 --> 02:00:24,640
Speaker 18: That's what I don't understand that I was thinking the

2680
02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:27,080
Speaker 18: whole thing, unless you're gonna tell me that that the

2681
02:00:27,160 --> 02:00:29,560
Speaker 18: competition between all ten of those guys is going to

2682
02:00:29,600 --> 02:00:32,839
Speaker 18: produce an unknown result that is far, will far surpass

2683
02:00:32,920 --> 02:00:33,560
Speaker 18: what we've seen.

2684
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:37,960
Speaker 7: Because no matter what happened, like, it's not a good sign. Like,

2685
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:40,200
Speaker 7: if you're trying to tell me they need better than

2686
02:00:40,240 --> 02:00:43,560
Speaker 7: what they had last year, then that's not good because

2687
02:00:43,560 --> 02:00:45,000
Speaker 7: they drafted the guy last year.

2688
02:00:45,080 --> 02:00:47,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I would also just say that my whole

2689
02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:50,760
Speaker 3: point is not Okay, fine, great, you got your depth

2690
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:51,640
Speaker 3: offensive lineman.

2691
02:00:52,280 --> 02:00:54,240
Speaker 5: Oh why can I say it out loud?

2692
02:00:55,040 --> 02:00:55,760
Speaker 7: Are you excited?

2693
02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:57,080
Speaker 5: I'm excited?

2694
02:00:57,320 --> 02:00:59,000
Speaker 6: Oh? Good for the Patriots.

2695
02:00:59,160 --> 02:01:00,680
Speaker 3: For the Patriots a receiver.

2696
02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:04,400
Speaker 5: The Patriots have drafted Kaishawn Boute from LSU.

2697
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:06,400
Speaker 3: He got a receiver.

2698
02:01:06,640 --> 02:01:06,960
Speaker 5: Baby.

2699
02:01:07,200 --> 02:01:07,680
Speaker 1: You like him?

2700
02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:08,240
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2701
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:10,880
Speaker 5: Y I don't.

2702
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:14,680
Speaker 7: But here's what I do like about it? Where they

2703
02:01:14,760 --> 02:01:17,520
Speaker 7: picked him. Yes, because this is a guy who should

2704
02:01:17,560 --> 02:01:20,160
Speaker 7: have gone like heading into the year, he would have

2705
02:01:20,440 --> 02:01:21,680
Speaker 7: gone like five rounds earlier.

2706
02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:23,080
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is the thing.

2707
02:01:23,200 --> 02:01:24,440
Speaker 7: So that's what I do like about them.

2708
02:01:24,520 --> 02:01:27,520
Speaker 3: This receiver class had a lot of concerns and question

2709
02:01:27,640 --> 02:01:30,320
Speaker 3: marks around the league. This is a player that if

2710
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:34,960
Speaker 3: you if our lads had made their guide a year ago, yes,

2711
02:01:35,120 --> 02:01:37,680
Speaker 3: the number one receiver in this class would have been Kashan.

2712
02:01:38,040 --> 02:01:40,480
Speaker 5: They have been him absolutely, and going into.

2713
02:01:40,520 --> 02:01:44,600
Speaker 3: The combine, both Sparta and I were extremely high on

2714
02:01:44,720 --> 02:01:47,520
Speaker 3: the player because you see a lot of explosiveness and

2715
02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:50,760
Speaker 3: contact balance after the catch especially, and he went to

2716
02:01:50,840 --> 02:01:53,840
Speaker 3: the combine and he bombed, like there's no doubt about it.

2717
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:57,960
Speaker 3: He absolutely bombed the combine and that brought up questions

2718
02:01:58,040 --> 02:02:01,840
Speaker 3: not only about his athletic profile, his work ethic as well.

2719
02:02:01,880 --> 02:02:05,040
Speaker 3: One hundred percent exactly where I was going. But he's

2720
02:02:05,120 --> 02:02:08,880
Speaker 3: an ultra talented receiver. There's definitely some upside with this

2721
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:12,080
Speaker 3: pick and some real optimism that he could be something

2722
02:02:12,120 --> 02:02:14,160
Speaker 3: if you can get that twenty twenty one version out

2723
02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:17,040
Speaker 3: of him. I really wonder if they met with him

2724
02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:20,080
Speaker 3: in this process, if it's a secret thirty visit we

2725
02:02:20,160 --> 02:02:22,480
Speaker 3: didn't know about or something like that, because there's some

2726
02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:26,000
Speaker 3: there's some character concerns with the player. I mean, you

2727
02:02:26,120 --> 02:02:28,080
Speaker 3: talk about what he did at the combine, you talk

2728
02:02:28,120 --> 02:02:30,600
Speaker 3: about how his career at LSU ended. I don't want

2729
02:02:30,640 --> 02:02:32,440
Speaker 3: to get too much into it on air about how

2730
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:35,680
Speaker 3: it ended at LSU, but it wasn't pretty, I'll put

2731
02:02:35,720 --> 02:02:38,520
Speaker 3: it to you that way. And you got to make

2732
02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:41,280
Speaker 3: sure that he's screwed in tight, right. You got to

2733
02:02:41,320 --> 02:02:43,520
Speaker 3: make sure that his head's on straight. But there's no

2734
02:02:43,760 --> 02:02:46,360
Speaker 3: doubt about it that the kids talented. He can play football.

2735
02:02:47,160 --> 02:02:49,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean our LATS has him as a third

2736
02:02:49,880 --> 02:02:50,800
Speaker 6: or fourth round pick.

2737
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:56,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is one where I'll take it because I

2738
02:02:56,520 --> 02:03:00,040
Speaker 7: deserve it, because it's hypocritical. You can absolutely could a

2739
02:03:00,120 --> 02:03:02,440
Speaker 7: size me for being a fraud. I love this pick.

2740
02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:05,640
Speaker 7: I don't love this player, but I love the pick

2741
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:08,480
Speaker 7: and I understand how hypocritical that is. And I'll take

2742
02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:11,000
Speaker 7: all the criticism that the you know, the listeners want

2743
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:13,160
Speaker 7: to give me. This is a guy. Is exactly what

2744
02:03:13,240 --> 02:03:16,000
Speaker 7: Evan said. I remember the first game of the season,

2745
02:03:16,840 --> 02:03:19,960
Speaker 7: I believe LSU and Florida State played. It was like

2746
02:03:20,120 --> 02:03:25,280
Speaker 7: Labor Day weekend and everything was boote, boot Te boot Te.

2747
02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:28,600
Speaker 7: This kid was like the second Coming and I'm watching

2748
02:03:28,640 --> 02:03:30,200
Speaker 7: and I'm like, I'm part of the family, and he

2749
02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:32,160
Speaker 7: was and he was really he was really quiet in

2750
02:03:32,240 --> 02:03:34,400
Speaker 7: the game, and they were talking about getting him, you know,

2751
02:03:34,520 --> 02:03:36,920
Speaker 7: on track, and I was like, Oh, this guy's really good.

2752
02:03:37,000 --> 02:03:39,560
Speaker 7: This guy's really good. And then his stock jass went

2753
02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:42,680
Speaker 7: down and down and down. And there's a lot of reasons,

2754
02:03:42,920 --> 02:03:44,240
Speaker 7: but there's talent there.

2755
02:03:44,440 --> 02:03:44,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2756
02:03:44,760 --> 02:03:46,240
Speaker 7: So when you get a guy like that in the

2757
02:03:46,680 --> 02:03:49,840
Speaker 7: sixth round, I love that pick. If they took this

2758
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:51,600
Speaker 7: guy in the second round, I would have hated it.

2759
02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:54,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is this guy's a project, you know, he's

2760
02:03:55,120 --> 02:03:57,920
Speaker 6: He was called out by Brian Kelly to get back

2761
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:02,160
Speaker 6: on track publicly, like Evan said, he didn't leave LSU

2762
02:04:02,280 --> 02:04:05,000
Speaker 6: on the best of terms. That's going to be an issue.

2763
02:04:05,080 --> 02:04:10,640
Speaker 6: But Dane Brugler says he's a confounding evaluation because he

2764
02:04:10,760 --> 02:04:14,200
Speaker 6: shows the athletic talent to be an NFL weapon, but

2765
02:04:14,320 --> 02:04:16,920
Speaker 6: his effort level doesn't always match his ability, and most

2766
02:04:16,920 --> 02:04:20,040
Speaker 6: scouts view him as a slot only prospect. Though he

2767
02:04:20,200 --> 02:04:23,840
Speaker 6: has NFL starting skills, the unpredictable nature of his game

2768
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:27,520
Speaker 6: complicates his pro projection. He's got him in the fourth round, though.

2769
02:04:27,480 --> 02:04:29,880
Speaker 7: Fourth fourth round. NFL dot Com too. This is a

2770
02:04:29,960 --> 02:04:32,720
Speaker 7: good like talent's not going to be why he doesn't

2771
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:32,920
Speaker 7: make it.

2772
02:04:33,080 --> 02:04:34,880
Speaker 6: So he had red flags on a lot of boards

2773
02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:36,080
Speaker 6: and that's why he slipped.

2774
02:04:36,360 --> 02:04:37,600
Speaker 7: So that's why I love the pick.

2775
02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:40,000
Speaker 6: So, Bill O'Brien, here's a guy for you.

2776
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:41,320
Speaker 7: Him straight.

2777
02:04:41,480 --> 02:04:44,040
Speaker 3: So he's the thing that stands out to him with

2778
02:04:44,200 --> 02:04:47,120
Speaker 3: him immediately is his ability to run with the football.

2779
02:04:47,240 --> 02:04:51,920
Speaker 3: This guy has that you know, contact balance and explosiveness

2780
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:54,640
Speaker 3: with the football in his hands to really pick up

2781
02:04:54,760 --> 02:04:57,440
Speaker 3: yards after the catch in bunches. I think a guy

2782
02:04:57,800 --> 02:05:00,680
Speaker 3: that people really compared him to a before it all

2783
02:05:00,760 --> 02:05:02,840
Speaker 3: went off the tracks for him was Deebo Samuel And

2784
02:05:02,920 --> 02:05:04,560
Speaker 3: I'm not kidding like that was the guy that a

2785
02:05:04,600 --> 02:05:06,080
Speaker 3: lot of people thought that he was going to be

2786
02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:09,000
Speaker 3: and then it just completely the you know, the earth

2787
02:05:09,080 --> 02:05:11,160
Speaker 3: kind of fell apart for him. I don't think he's

2788
02:05:11,200 --> 02:05:13,160
Speaker 3: gonna be Deebo Samuel good. I think we can all

2789
02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:15,720
Speaker 3: agree in that. But that's the sort of you know,

2790
02:05:16,520 --> 02:05:20,960
Speaker 3: a stout frame, compact build, good explosiveness, can run through

2791
02:05:21,160 --> 02:05:24,280
Speaker 3: arm tackles, and he's got some really flashy college tape.

2792
02:05:24,280 --> 02:05:28,400
Speaker 3: There's I am excited. This is a pick that at

2793
02:05:28,520 --> 02:05:30,880
Speaker 3: least they got one of these guys in this draft

2794
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:33,760
Speaker 3: that you can say brand name player, Kai sham Boute,

2795
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:36,760
Speaker 3: somebody that we all knew I was in the draft

2796
02:05:36,840 --> 02:05:39,600
Speaker 3: guide like all that kind of stuff, And we'll see

2797
02:05:39,640 --> 02:05:41,440
Speaker 3: what happens if they can get him screwed on and

2798
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:43,840
Speaker 3: this is gonna be somebody that can make an impact.

2799
02:05:44,200 --> 02:05:46,000
Speaker 5: I just wonder what the last year's been like for him,

2800
02:05:46,120 --> 02:05:47,720
Speaker 5: Like you know, was he was he kind of flying

2801
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:49,760
Speaker 5: high and now he's been humbled a bit or you know,

2802
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:51,320
Speaker 5: or is he just kind of a loose can and

2803
02:05:51,320 --> 02:05:52,640
Speaker 5: then they're gonna say, hey, we get him in the

2804
02:05:52,680 --> 02:05:54,200
Speaker 5: building and get him on the he'll be okay.

2805
02:05:54,280 --> 02:05:56,000
Speaker 7: And it's gonna be a second I think it's the

2806
02:05:56,040 --> 02:05:58,440
Speaker 7: second one based on the combine, Like you think that

2807
02:05:58,520 --> 02:06:01,120
Speaker 7: would have been a humbling experience to come out that season.

2808
02:06:01,240 --> 02:06:04,520
Speaker 7: You would get himself ready to go. But like I said,

2809
02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:08,720
Speaker 7: sixth round talent won't be why he doesn't make it.

2810
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:12,000
Speaker 7: Everybody was really really high in this kid after his

2811
02:06:12,120 --> 02:06:15,080
Speaker 7: first two years and then it didn't come together, you know,

2812
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:19,920
Speaker 7: you know last year. I just I love the idea

2813
02:06:20,040 --> 02:06:20,960
Speaker 7: of this kind of a pick.

2814
02:06:21,240 --> 02:06:24,200
Speaker 6: You know, Paul's a big LSU guy, So this you know,

2815
02:06:24,240 --> 02:06:25,680
Speaker 6: I know you're making fun of me, but you wear

2816
02:06:25,680 --> 02:06:26,160
Speaker 6: their stuff.

2817
02:06:26,440 --> 02:06:28,480
Speaker 3: This was just all that we wanted. Yeah, it wasn't

2818
02:06:28,480 --> 02:06:30,680
Speaker 3: too much to ask for. No, all we wanted was

2819
02:06:30,720 --> 02:06:34,560
Speaker 3: a receiver, sodside. Yeah, and I'm excited. Take your guards.

2820
02:06:34,680 --> 02:06:36,880
Speaker 3: You got your guards. I got my receivers. We can

2821
02:06:36,920 --> 02:06:38,640
Speaker 3: all be happy. You still got four picks.

2822
02:06:38,480 --> 02:06:40,480
Speaker 6: Left, all right, they're still time to turn out a week.

2823
02:06:40,520 --> 02:06:42,920
Speaker 6: We ended the show on a high note. The Patriots

2824
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:46,440
Speaker 6: have another pick coming up in a few picks there

2825
02:06:46,680 --> 02:06:50,360
Speaker 6: number fifteen one ninety two overall, and obviously picks after that,

2826
02:06:50,920 --> 02:06:53,480
Speaker 6: so Patriots dot Com will keep you informed of all

2827
02:06:53,560 --> 02:06:56,760
Speaker 6: of that. We've got a lot more coming up on

2828
02:06:56,880 --> 02:07:00,480
Speaker 6: the website and social media. We'll be back on Tuesday

2829
02:07:00,720 --> 02:07:03,080
Speaker 6: at our regular time at noon to wrap up the

2830
02:07:03,160 --> 02:07:06,440
Speaker 6: whole draft and you know, give us our overall thoughts

2831
02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:11,200
Speaker 6: on everything. Later on tonight live on Patriots dot Com

2832
02:07:11,320 --> 02:07:14,720
Speaker 6: will be Matt grow He'll wrap up everything the Patriots

2833
02:07:14,760 --> 02:07:19,440
Speaker 6: have done throughout the process. So lots more coming up,

2834
02:07:19,480 --> 02:07:22,480
Speaker 6: but for now, thank you for listening, Thank you for watching.

2835
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:27,560
Speaker 6: Once again, the Patriots The PU Draft Show is one

2836
02:07:27,600 --> 02:07:29,720
Speaker 6: of the fun shows that we do all year. We're

2837
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:31,960
Speaker 6: happy to have you. We'll see you on Tuesday.

2838
02:07:34,480 --> 02:07:38,240
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2839
02:07:38,360 --> 02:07:41,360
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02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:44,560
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2841
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02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:50,840
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