WEBVTT - The Girlfriends S5/Bonus Ep 3: Blazing Lies 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:09.760 Novel, August sixth, two thousand and five. It's been a 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:14.120 decade since Derek Awdred went missing on his college girlfriend Vanessa, 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:18.480 and a guy named Captain Tom Oldag is driving home 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.200 down a busy highway in Eldorado County, California. 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:24.599 It's nearly seven pm. 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:29.240 Captain Tom is a fire investigator with California's Department of 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:30.960 Forestry and Fire Protection. 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.440 He's steadily making his way. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.559 Through the rush hour traffic when his phone starts to buzz. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:40.159 It's his battalion chief. 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:44.480 You're supposedly a firefighter wearing a CalFire uniform who had 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:47.160 overdosed up in Plasville at Marshall Hospital. 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.640 This isn't the kind of call Captain Tom would usually receive. 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.800 For the most part, his job as law enforcement evolves 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:01.480 determining the origin and cause of a fire. But he 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:05.039 can see immediately why this situation has raised concern. 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:10.440 It didn't make any sense if somebody had overdosed. If 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.240 there were in a uniform, the fire engine would have 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:13.720 brought him in. 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:19.760 This guy has overdosed, he's wearing a uniform, but he 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.120 hasn't been brought in by a firetruck or any colleagues, 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:28.399 so as the sky begins to fade to twilight, instead 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:32.400 of heading home, Captain Tom course corrects. 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.119 You could hear beep in and all that from monitors 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:39.759 and people walk them back and forth. 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:44.000 Sixteen minutes later, Captain Tom Oldagg arrives at the emergency 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:47.680 room of Marshall Hospital in Placerville, California. 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:49.600 Can I see his uniform? 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.880 The firefighter he's there to see has been changed into 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.680 a hospital gown, carted off to a bed in the 0:01:55.720 --> 0:02:00.920 emergency room, divided from the rest by hospital curtains. So 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.960 Captain Tom is able to take a closer look at 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:05.480 the clothes he's arrived in. 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.600 CalFire patches on bull shoulders, he had a blue shirt 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.280 kind of like what we used, but the bugles that 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:13.600 were on his collar brass didn't match. And then the 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.280 other thing that stuck out is his badge wasn't a 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:22.320 CalFire one, it was just a generic badge. 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:27.440 Captain Tom gets permission to search the firefighter's car. In there, 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:33.760 he finds receipts for the uniforms, pill bottles, unfilled prescriptions. 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:35.720 And that just kind of started the ball rolling. 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.880 Captain Tom talks to the local battalion chief who's at 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:41.080 the hospital that evening. 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:43.600 He just had a weird look on his face. He goes, 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:44.840 I don't recognize the guy. 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:49.560 Captain Tom peers around the hospital curtain at the man 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:50.200 in question. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:52.200 I didn't recognize him either. 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.960 The guy laying on that emergency room bed in two 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:02.040 thousand and five, an IV his arm hospital gown on, 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:06.679 segregated from the rest of the busy emergency room by curtains, 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:12.639 claiming to be a firefighter, is none other than Derek Aldred. 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:20.040 When Derek Aldred pled guilty to charges that would see 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.680 him sentenced to twenty four years in prison, it was 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.080 far from his first run in with the justice system. 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.840 More than ten years earlier, Derek found himself in the 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:35.400 crosshairs of one determined fire investigator in California. 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.240 You're a professional gawker. Part of my job was to 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.360 go and see and then try to figure it out. 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:47.520 Captain Tom will spend weeks making sense of what he's seeing, 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.920 and when he does, I got. 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.440 Him a gat point and I said, Hey, Derek, remember me. 0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:00.600 I'm Anna Sinfield and from the teams at Novel and 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:21.400 iHeart podcasts. You're listening to the girlfriends trust Me Babe. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.400 Bonus episode three, Blazing Lies You. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.160 He had an IVY in him. He was pretty worn out, 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.359 looked like he was tired. You could say he was 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.919 out to lunch because he had overdose. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.800 Derek Audread is lying in a Californian hospital in two 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:52.760 thousand and five. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.440 He had taken drugs, narcotics and he took too many 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.240 and he admitted to doing that and he was out 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.040 of it. But you could talk to him and I 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.279 was asking him, you know, questions like where do you work? 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.760 And he goes, well, you work at a fire station. Okay, 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:08.960 which one fire station just down the road? Okay, what 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.320 fire station just down the road? Well you know that 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.600 that fire station. Okay? What department do you work for? 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:15.560 And you think it's a little odd that you have 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.960 some uniforms in your car. You're wearing some uniforms. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.919 You get some ship that don't have You're listening to 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:26.280 the actual audio from Captain Tom's interview with Derek Cool 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.719 Dread in that emergency room that evening. 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:30.680 Are you a part of CDF? 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:36.120 There you part of CDF? Derek Tom's asking CDF California 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.280 Department of Forestry and Fire. 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.719 Protection and Training right now. 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.719 I'm training right now, replies Derek. 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:44.800 They're training. 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.239 Yes, so there should be a record through the CDF 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:51.440 files of you being a member of their training. Yes, okay, 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:52.240 there is, Derek. 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.280 Captain Tom has already checked there are no Derek cool 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:57.880 dreads in CDF training. 0:05:58.600 --> 0:05:59.680 What why would that be? 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.599 Well, do you just want to be a part of. 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:08.520 CDA Derek course corrects, tells Captain Tom that he's been 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.120 in training to be a paramedic in the evenings, So 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.839 there's no affiliation on CDIA now, so then there's no 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:16.520 reason why you. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:20.040 Should have DA fulling or uniforms at any point during 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:20.440 this time. 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:25.000 Correct I hold up his shirt and said, no, this badge, 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:26.239 it's not a real badge. 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:27.680 Where did you get that badge? 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:30.039 Just online? 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:31.520 Who bought it online? 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:32.640 Yeah? 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.840 Captain Tom cuts to the point, is. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:37.640 That what you're doing is selling yourself off as a 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:41.840 firefighter to people who don't know you. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:52.520 That's that's not my intent, but that's that's the way 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:52.880 it was. 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.200 Yeah, Yeah, because that's that's a serious thing. 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:01.280 Derek admits to wearing the uniforms despite not being a firefighter, 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.640 but the question remains, why. 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:13.520 We're just trying to find out why. It's it's just 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:18.720 a family What do you mean a family day? 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:26.080 Well, just knowund that they wanted to be a paramedic firefighter. 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.880 And who is my mom? 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.400 Derek claims he just wanted to make his family proud. 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.160 A series of bad decisions that just snowballed. 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:38.480 In order to be a firefighter, you have to go 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.920 through train, extensive training. To be a good firefighter takes 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:46.040 a while. It's an honorable job. Most people trust firefighters, 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.600 and here's somebody who is using and abusing that right. 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.960 It's a serious thing to impersonate a firefighter. But Captain 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:59.200 Tom suspects that actually there's something much much more serious 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.600 going on here than just a simple guy pretending to 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.800 be a firefighter for his mom. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:10.280 The big kicker was in his pocket was a prescription 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.280 from the Woodland Clinic, which is in another county. It's 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.480 in Yellow County that just started the ball rolling. 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:22.520 The receipt has workers' compensation written on it. According to 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:26.840 the evidence, Captain Tom has collected the guy's unemployed, and 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:28.840 he has a suspicion. 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.240 You're dressing up like a firefighter to get narcotics, to 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:37.199 get drugs Because he's impersonating us our occupation, what we are. 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.640 Captain Tom wants to solve this one. 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:40.960 It was personal. 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.360 In the days after meeting Derek, Captain Tom gets in 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:12.559 his car. There is one, obviously to start with, Woodland 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.880 Clinic in Yolo County, whose prescription he found in Derek's pocket. 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:21.560 Captain Tom tracks down the pharmacy and then the doctor's 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.560 office and interviews the staff. 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.040 They remembered him because he was a firefighter who came in, 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.040 said he was in training and hurt himself. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.960 One pharmacist tells him that a guy wearing a CDF 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.840 uniform drops some paperwork in the parking lot and that 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:40.160 somebody handed it in. They fish the paper out of 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:44.160 the garbage and give it to Captain Tom. It was 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.760 a doctor's note from another clinic. With it, there were 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:51.200 two prescriptions, a copy to be returned to one's employer, 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:57.440 and a name, Richard Aldrich. Captain Tom heads to the 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.480 second clinic on the same day and they can that 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:05.000 Derek came in seeking medical help wearing a CDF uniform. 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:07.480 He would walk in and you know, say, hey, doc, 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.960 I injured my tropedius muscles thrown a fifty. 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:15.079 Foot ladder might scene plausible to medical clinic staff, but 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.120 not to a seasoned firefighter like Captain Tom. 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.800 It's like, dude, there's no way you could pick up 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.480 a ladder that big, even if it's a thirty five 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:27.679 foot ladder. It's like, now, I don't think so. 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.959 Captain Tom works his way through all the clinics he 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:33.040 can trace to Derek. 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.120 I know he went over twenty and that's in like 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:37.160 less than a month. 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.480 Captain Tom talks to as many people as he can 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.560 find who remember interactions with Derek. 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.079 I think I interviewed over thirty people did I want 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:48.160 to every clinic. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:52.720 And a pattern begins to emerge. He would use different 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:57.920 aliases or slight variations of his name, like Derek Cauldron, 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.600 Derek Caudrich, Derek d on Richard Ordric. 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:03.959 He starts to build up a list. 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:06.719 They had him run all the different needs that I had, 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.040 social Security numbers that I found on him, or that 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:10.840 he had used. 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:15.760 Occasionally, Derek would be asked for verification of his credentials, 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:20.160 but more often than not, he'd get access to prescriptions easily. 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:25.199 In his investigation, Captain Tom finds out more on the 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.520 impressive lengths Derek went to to perfect his lies. 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:33.559 He had EMP books, Emergency medical technician books, so he 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.400 could go in to a doctor's office and he could 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.640 talk to Lingo and that struck a core. It's like 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.560 he's doing a lot more than just drug seeking. I mean, 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:50.560 he's really intelligent. He could remember everything, and it would 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:52.200 just it was crazy. 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:57.200 Derek also had some more extreme tricks up his sleeve. 0:11:57.880 --> 0:11:59.920 He would go into a hospital, see Doc, I'm having 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.400 heart attack, I think, blah blah blah, and they give 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.959 a morphine because the pain is on a scale of 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:06.679 one to ten. It's a nine or it's a ten, 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.360 So they're going to do that, calm him down, start 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.280 to run blood tests and everything. He would get his 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:17.200 fixed under his id and walk out to me, it's crazy. 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.520 The people at the pharmacies or their urgent care clinics, 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:25.000 they said, is very personal, real friendly. Everyone thought he 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.400 was a firefighter. He was very smooth, is the story 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.520 that I got from everybody. He was a very smooth 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.880 talker and he knew what he was doing. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:38.280 Soon after figuring out Derek's movements in Eldorado and Yolo County, 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:43.719 Captain Tom's investigations extended to other parts of California, with 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:48.319 evidence found in Sacramento County, Placer County, and the Bay Area. 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.160 He was NonStop, just going and going. That was his 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:52.960 full time job. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:59.360 And because of his so called firefighting credentials, sometimes the 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.640 prescription drugs Derek was accessing were even free. 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:08.079 He filled out the paperwork, and because it's an injured firefighter, 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:10.760 the state of California would pick up the tab. 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:14.000 By simply showing up in a uniform and being a 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:18.640 convincing liar, Derek managed to exploit a system that was 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:19.920 set up to help people. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.520 It's not a victimless crime. It's whether people care or not. 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.400 And I cared it was bad. It's just he's already overdose. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.000 He was in the hospital overdose. You put him behind 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.200 a wheel. All he has to do is crash into somebody. 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.120 And if I'm doing an investigation on him and I 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.559 don't stop that, then I would have a hard time 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:37.800 with that. 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.040 But not everyone feels the same way. 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:43.920 I was told at one point, leave it alone, just 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:44.720 walk away. 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.280 The higher ups are concerned by how much Captain Tom 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:49.280 is putting into this. 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.280 You know, you think that doing an investigation, it's forty 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:54.839 five minutes and commercials and it's not. 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.719 He's even gathering evidence on his days off. 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.839 People high, you're up in the organization. They thought I 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.319 was too fixated on him, and yeah, they're right, I was. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:08.040 But at the same time, there was something special about him. 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.000 He was special, he needed special attention. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:17.720 Over two weeks, Captain Tom assembles a report and it's extensive. 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.240 Shortly after that, I went to the Yellow County District 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.800 Attorney's office and met one of their fraud investigators and 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:26.800 laid it out. This is what I have and they're 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:30.760 going okay, and it's like no, this is like this 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.400 guy's working hard at it. He needs to get in trouble. 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.800 An arrest warrant is written up for Derek. 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.240 The next day, Derek Audred is standing at a payphone 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.840 outside of place of Hill McDonald's. He's just getting ready 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.600 to hang up the phone when a truck pulls up 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:49.080 to the sidewalk next to him. 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:51.720 Captain Tom steps out. 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.200 I got him again. Point I said, hey, Derek, remember me, 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:02.120 and he said yes, I do. Okay, cool, I haven't 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:02.920 warrant for arrest. 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:31.800 In only two weeks, Captain Tom has collected a lot 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:32.680 of evidence. 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.000 I had him on video. I had him on hospitals 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:40.960 and pharmacies and clinics had people who identified him. Then 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.760 I also had the medical records, his signature, and all 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.800 the different variations of how he would use his name. 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:49.760 I could compile all. 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:54.280 That at a payphone outside of a McDonald's. Captain Tom 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:58.320 had put Derrek Aldred in handcuffs, put him in the 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.080 back of the truck, and tron supported him back to 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:05.120 the police station. And now that they've arrived, a new 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:09.240 challenge awaits interviewing Derek Audrett directly. 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.040 My whole goal was to get him to talk to 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.760 me and tell me his story, and so that's why 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.320 I brought him in and being nice, Hey, how you doing. 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:21.680 You want some water and want some gatorade. 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.360 Captain Tom has been in the job for many years. 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.160 He knows that this kind of interview is a careful dance, 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.920 one that begins with making sure Derek feels comfortable. 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.600 Just getting a little history about him, him growing up, 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:41.080 et cetera. And then he appeared to be kind of 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.200 stressed when I got done with that, So we gave 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.440 him like ten minutes where I said, you know, do 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.320 you need some time to yourself? I said, let me 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.840 turn the lights off and just put your head down. 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.000 And he put his head on the table and bent 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:54.880 over and we turned the lights off and give him 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:55.200 a break. 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.680 Well, Derek takes a break head down on a desk, 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:04.080 baseball cap on. Captain Tom thinks about his strategy. 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.040 I didn't want to go down any road where I was, 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.960 you know, could be considered a jerk to him. He 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.520 doesn't like confrontation. He didn't like to be accused. I 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:16.280 definitely knew he had an ego. He said, you know 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:17.560 what I'm doing to go in there, And I'm gonna 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:19.680 tell him he's the best liar I've ever met in 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:20.240 my life. 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.880 Know what, I'm gonna shake your hand. You're very good. 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:28.240 Know what you do, the way you go and get drugs, 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.560 You're very good. Aren't you not something with it? 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:31.800 Yeah? 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:33.120 No, aren't you very good? 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:34.000 Well? 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.840 Yeah? And doing it for a long time? 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.760 Okay? And what's the main story? Because you're not a story? 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.399 And I'm telling you, man, you're good, aren't you? 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:43.440 I don't think so? 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:47.120 I mean, oh, come on, putting yourself on the back. 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:48.560 You're good. Well. 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.840 I talked to him about him being a good liar 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.439 and all that I'm trying to get him to acknowledge, 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.000 and I'm trying to give him some control back. 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.439 You can get doctors, you can get clinics, you can 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:02.520 get people at pharmacies. They will buy into it. Pharmacies, 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:04.480 you know the prescription's already done. 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:04.679 Right. 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.679 That's that's pretty easy, isn't it. Yeah, But now at 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:11.280 a clinic where you have professionals who are there, and 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:16.359 you walk in and represent yourself as what. 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.680 I've represented myself as an executive, as a firefighter, as 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:22.760 you need it, okay, when you do. 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.320 Captain Tom also lays out the information he has in 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:27.200 front of Derek. 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.080 I know that you've been around and personated a firefighter. 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.080 I know that, okay, because well that's my job, Yeah, 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.680 to investigate what I always tell people that I'm a 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.520 puzzle maker. Being a puzzle maker, what does that. 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.760 Mean you put the pieces of the puzzle to them. 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:43.280 Yeah. A lot of times puzzles will point to a 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:44.240 direction or something. 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:48.640 Right now, he wants Derek to come to the table himself. 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:53.159 What's harder to do to do something wrong or to 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:54.240 admit you made a mistake. 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:00.359 I guess for me it would be so much dashed 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:01.879 to it. Yeah, probably admitting the mistake. 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:05.720 Okay, so can you start admitting the mistakes you've made 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:10.840 where you've gone dressed as a firefighter filling out forms? 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:13.680 What is it going to take for me to get 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:14.480 you to admit to that? 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:17.879 It's not going to take anything. I mean, okay, I 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.280 couldn't tell you where I've gone to do that, except 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:21.399 I really don't remember. 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:23.560 I just don't. 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.639 I mean, I've been to you know. Shoot, I've been 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:27.479 to a lot of places. 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:28.880 Okay, start naming places. 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:36.920 Oh boy, it works. Derek starts talking. He begins to 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:41.800 list clinics the same ones Captain Tom investigated. 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:43.800 And I was just shocked he remembered it. 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:48.600 Plus he provides the names of additional clinics, explains in 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.359 more detail how he was able to scam them with 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.479 this infamous ladder injury story. 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:56.480 I can tell you one time in particular that I 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.360 remember clear as a bell, because I wasn't totally out 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:03.440 of my tree. I said, I entered my shoulder. I 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:07.040 think that what the specific reason I used was that 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:10.800 I was moving, I was lifting something heavy off the. 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.440 Back of the truck, and the heavy object was like 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.159 a ladder or something like that. And give me the 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:17.240 story how you would tell. 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:25.040 After a bit of back and forth, Derek begins to explain, I'd. 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.520 Say I entered my shoulder and I just need to 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:28.560 have someone to take a look at it. 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.920 Okay, how did you do your shoulder? I don't know. 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.639 I was. I would give varying reasons. You know, something 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:38.480 very you know, stupid mundane, like you know, picking something 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:39.359 up or lifting. 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:40.760 Something, And there was more. 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.840 Before pretending to be a fire fighter, Derek had also 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:48.440 tried to defraud people by impersonating other professions. 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:50.719 He had mentioned that he was up in South Lake 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:54.919 Tahoe earlier at the previous winter and he was impersonating 0:20:55.640 --> 0:21:00.720 executives and companies just to get stuff blew me away 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.240 that he really wants to go and be someone different. 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.320 This is more than a decade before getting caught for 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:16.119 impersonating a naval officer, financial executives, successful business owners to 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:21.040 gain the trust of women across the states. Captain Tom 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.480 is surprised by how calm Derek is throughout the confession. 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.280 I still don't understand how a person can do what 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:32.280 he did. Normal people, if they got caught or you'd 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:35.359 think they would be nervous and scared, But he wasn't. 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.639 It didn't phase him. He did not have any issue 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:42.600 with him putting on a firefighter uniform walk in into 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:47.360 a medical office, Saint Doc, I injured myself. I needed prescription. 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:51.840 It just amazes me. The only thing Derek felt bad 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:52.919 about is that he got. 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:58.439 Caught at first. 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.840 Derek Audread is indicted on a series of charges that 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:07.200 include insurance fraud, prescription drug fraud, misrepresentation as a firefighter, 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:10.680 and burglary. In the end, he'll make a plea deal 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.920 please no contest to a couple of the burglary charges 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:14.639 and the. 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:15.680 Rest are dismissed. 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.439 He'll spend a year and a half in a county 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:21.320 jail and be on probation for another couple of years 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.399 after that, and Captain Tom goes back to his normal 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:30.000 life and his work as a fire investigator. Until one day, 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:34.560 many years later, when he's already retired, he gets another 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:36.120 unexpected call. 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:38.520 Ay, do you know what Derek Aldred? 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:47.359 Yeah, almost two decades have passed since Captain Tom last 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:50.520 heard that name, and Derek has gotten up to a 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:52.359 lot in the intervening years. 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:57.040 It's like, oh my god, I could not believe it. 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.560 I couldn't believe what he had done. He was a 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:04.040 predator when he was dealing narcotics. He was a predator, 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:08.840 you know, with every woman that he had a relationship with. 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:13.560 He was always pretending to be somebody better than himself. 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:17.520 But in a way, no one knew better than Captain 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:21.159 Tom what Derek Audread was really capable of. 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:25.800 He puts his uniform on, goes to work, steals from people, 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:28.479 and he does it over and over again, and then 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:32.200 he does it on steroids. When he's doing it to 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:36.720