Speaker 1: Novel, August sixth, two thousand and five. It's been a
Speaker 1: decade since Derek Awdred went missing on his college girlfriend Vanessa,
Speaker 1: and a guy named Captain Tom Oldag is driving home
Speaker 1: down a busy highway in Eldorado County, California.
Speaker 2: It's nearly seven pm.
Speaker 1: Captain Tom is a fire investigator with California's Department of
Speaker 1: Forestry and Fire Protection.
Speaker 2: He's steadily making his way.
Speaker 1: Through the rush hour traffic when his phone starts to buzz.
Speaker 2: It's his battalion chief.
Speaker 3: You're supposedly a firefighter wearing a CalFire uniform who had
Speaker 3: overdosed up in Plasville at Marshall Hospital.
Speaker 1: This isn't the kind of call Captain Tom would usually receive.
Speaker 1: For the most part, his job as law enforcement evolves
Speaker 1: determining the origin and cause of a fire. But he
Speaker 1: can see immediately why this situation has raised concern.
Speaker 3: It didn't make any sense if somebody had overdosed. If
Speaker 3: there were in a uniform, the fire engine would have
Speaker 3: brought him in.
Speaker 1: This guy has overdosed, he's wearing a uniform, but he
Speaker 1: hasn't been brought in by a firetruck or any colleagues,
Speaker 1: so as the sky begins to fade to twilight, instead
Speaker 1: of heading home, Captain Tom course corrects.
Speaker 3: You could hear beep in and all that from monitors
Speaker 3: and people walk them back and forth.
Speaker 1: Sixteen minutes later, Captain Tom Oldagg arrives at the emergency
Speaker 1: room of Marshall Hospital in Placerville, California.
Speaker 3: Can I see his uniform?
Speaker 1: The firefighter he's there to see has been changed into
Speaker 1: a hospital gown, carted off to a bed in the
Speaker 1: emergency room, divided from the rest by hospital curtains. So
Speaker 1: Captain Tom is able to take a closer look at
Speaker 1: the clothes he's arrived in.
Speaker 3: CalFire patches on bull shoulders, he had a blue shirt
Speaker 3: kind of like what we used, but the bugles that
Speaker 3: were on his collar brass didn't match. And then the
Speaker 3: other thing that stuck out is his badge wasn't a
Speaker 3: CalFire one, it was just a generic badge.
Speaker 1: Captain Tom gets permission to search the firefighter's car. In there,
Speaker 1: he finds receipts for the uniforms, pill bottles, unfilled prescriptions.
Speaker 3: And that just kind of started the ball rolling.
Speaker 1: Captain Tom talks to the local battalion chief who's at
Speaker 1: the hospital that evening.
Speaker 3: He just had a weird look on his face. He goes,
Speaker 3: I don't recognize the guy.
Speaker 1: Captain Tom peers around the hospital curtain at the man
Speaker 1: in question.
Speaker 3: I didn't recognize him either.
Speaker 1: The guy laying on that emergency room bed in two
Speaker 1: thousand and five, an IV his arm hospital gown on,
Speaker 1: segregated from the rest of the busy emergency room by curtains,
Speaker 1: claiming to be a firefighter, is none other than Derek Aldred.
Speaker 1: When Derek Aldred pled guilty to charges that would see
Speaker 1: him sentenced to twenty four years in prison, it was
Speaker 1: far from his first run in with the justice system.
Speaker 1: More than ten years earlier, Derek found himself in the
Speaker 1: crosshairs of one determined fire investigator in California.
Speaker 3: You're a professional gawker. Part of my job was to
Speaker 3: go and see and then try to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Captain Tom will spend weeks making sense of what he's seeing,
Speaker 1: and when he does, I got.
Speaker 3: Him a gat point and I said, Hey, Derek, remember me.
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Speaker 3: He had an IVY in him. He was pretty worn out,
Speaker 3: looked like he was tired. You could say he was
Speaker 3: out to lunch because he had overdose.
Speaker 1: Derek Audread is lying in a Californian hospital in two
Speaker 1: thousand and five.
Speaker 3: He had taken drugs, narcotics and he took too many
Speaker 3: and he admitted to doing that and he was out
Speaker 3: of it. But you could talk to him and I
Speaker 3: was asking him, you know, questions like where do you work?
Speaker 3: And he goes, well, you work at a fire station. Okay,
Speaker 3: which one fire station just down the road? Okay, what
Speaker 3: fire station just down the road? Well you know that
Speaker 3: that fire station. Okay? What department do you work for?
Speaker 4: And you think it's a little odd that you have
Speaker 4: some uniforms in your car. You're wearing some uniforms.
Speaker 1: You get some ship that don't have You're listening to
Speaker 1: the actual audio from Captain Tom's interview with Derek Cool
Speaker 1: Dread in that emergency room that evening.
Speaker 5: Are you a part of CDF?
Speaker 1: There you part of CDF? Derek Tom's asking CDF California
Speaker 1: Department of Forestry and Fire.
Speaker 3: Protection and Training right now.
Speaker 2: I'm training right now, replies Derek.
Speaker 3: They're training.
Speaker 4: Yes, so there should be a record through the CDF
Speaker 4: files of you being a member of their training. Yes, okay,
Speaker 4: there is, Derek.
Speaker 1: Captain Tom has already checked there are no Derek cool
Speaker 1: dreads in CDF training.
Speaker 4: What why would that be?
Speaker 5: Well, do you just want to be a part of.
Speaker 1: CDA Derek course corrects, tells Captain Tom that he's been
Speaker 1: in training to be a paramedic in the evenings, So
Speaker 1: there's no affiliation on CDIA now, so then there's no
Speaker 1: reason why you.
Speaker 4: Should have DA fulling or uniforms at any point during
Speaker 4: this time.
Speaker 3: Correct I hold up his shirt and said, no, this badge,
Speaker 3: it's not a real badge.
Speaker 5: Where did you get that badge?
Speaker 4: Just online?
Speaker 5: Who bought it online?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Captain Tom cuts to the point, is.
Speaker 5: That what you're doing is selling yourself off as a
Speaker 5: firefighter to people who don't know you.
Speaker 4: That's that's not my intent, but that's that's the way
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, because that's that's a serious thing.
Speaker 1: Derek admits to wearing the uniforms despite not being a firefighter,
Speaker 1: but the question remains, why.
Speaker 3: We're just trying to find out why. It's it's just
Speaker 3: a family What do you mean a family day?
Speaker 4: Well, just knowund that they wanted to be a paramedic firefighter.
Speaker 3: And who is my mom?
Speaker 1: Derek claims he just wanted to make his family proud.
Speaker 1: A series of bad decisions that just snowballed.
Speaker 3: In order to be a firefighter, you have to go
Speaker 3: through train, extensive training. To be a good firefighter takes
Speaker 3: a while. It's an honorable job. Most people trust firefighters,
Speaker 3: and here's somebody who is using and abusing that right.
Speaker 1: It's a serious thing to impersonate a firefighter. But Captain
Speaker 1: Tom suspects that actually there's something much much more serious
Speaker 1: going on here than just a simple guy pretending to
Speaker 1: be a firefighter for his mom.
Speaker 3: The big kicker was in his pocket was a prescription
Speaker 3: from the Woodland Clinic, which is in another county. It's
Speaker 3: in Yellow County that just started the ball rolling.
Speaker 1: The receipt has workers' compensation written on it. According to
Speaker 1: the evidence, Captain Tom has collected the guy's unemployed, and
Speaker 1: he has a suspicion.
Speaker 3: You're dressing up like a firefighter to get narcotics, to
Speaker 3: get drugs Because he's impersonating us our occupation, what we are.
Speaker 2: Captain Tom wants to solve this one.
Speaker 3: It was personal.
Speaker 1: In the days after meeting Derek, Captain Tom gets in
Speaker 1: his car. There is one, obviously to start with, Woodland
Speaker 1: Clinic in Yolo County, whose prescription he found in Derek's pocket.
Speaker 1: Captain Tom tracks down the pharmacy and then the doctor's
Speaker 1: office and interviews the staff.
Speaker 3: They remembered him because he was a firefighter who came in,
Speaker 3: said he was in training and hurt himself.
Speaker 1: One pharmacist tells him that a guy wearing a CDF
Speaker 1: uniform drops some paperwork in the parking lot and that
Speaker 1: somebody handed it in. They fish the paper out of
Speaker 1: the garbage and give it to Captain Tom. It was
Speaker 1: a doctor's note from another clinic. With it, there were
Speaker 1: two prescriptions, a copy to be returned to one's employer,
Speaker 1: and a name, Richard Aldrich. Captain Tom heads to the
Speaker 1: second clinic on the same day and they can that
Speaker 1: Derek came in seeking medical help wearing a CDF uniform.
Speaker 3: He would walk in and you know, say, hey, doc,
Speaker 3: I injured my tropedius muscles thrown a fifty.
Speaker 1: Foot ladder might scene plausible to medical clinic staff, but
Speaker 1: not to a seasoned firefighter like Captain Tom.
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, there's no way you could pick up
Speaker 3: a ladder that big, even if it's a thirty five
Speaker 3: foot ladder. It's like, now, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Captain Tom works his way through all the clinics he
Speaker 2: can trace to Derek.
Speaker 3: I know he went over twenty and that's in like
Speaker 3: less than a month.
Speaker 1: Captain Tom talks to as many people as he can
Speaker 1: find who remember interactions with Derek.
Speaker 3: I think I interviewed over thirty people did I want
Speaker 3: to every clinic.
Speaker 1: And a pattern begins to emerge. He would use different
Speaker 1: aliases or slight variations of his name, like Derek Cauldron,
Speaker 1: Derek Caudrich, Derek d on Richard Ordric.
Speaker 2: He starts to build up a list.
Speaker 3: They had him run all the different needs that I had,
Speaker 3: social Security numbers that I found on him, or that
Speaker 3: he had used.
Speaker 1: Occasionally, Derek would be asked for verification of his credentials,
Speaker 1: but more often than not, he'd get access to prescriptions easily.
Speaker 1: In his investigation, Captain Tom finds out more on the
Speaker 1: impressive lengths Derek went to to perfect his lies.
Speaker 3: He had EMP books, Emergency medical technician books, so he
Speaker 3: could go in to a doctor's office and he could
Speaker 3: talk to Lingo and that struck a core. It's like
Speaker 3: he's doing a lot more than just drug seeking. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's really intelligent. He could remember everything, and it would
Speaker 3: just it was crazy.
Speaker 2: Derek also had some more extreme tricks up his sleeve.
Speaker 3: He would go into a hospital, see Doc, I'm having
Speaker 3: heart attack, I think, blah blah blah, and they give
Speaker 3: a morphine because the pain is on a scale of
Speaker 3: one to ten. It's a nine or it's a ten,
Speaker 3: So they're going to do that, calm him down, start
Speaker 3: to run blood tests and everything. He would get his
Speaker 3: fixed under his id and walk out to me, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: The people at the pharmacies or their urgent care clinics,
Speaker 3: they said, is very personal, real friendly. Everyone thought he
Speaker 3: was a firefighter. He was very smooth, is the story
Speaker 3: that I got from everybody. He was a very smooth
Speaker 3: talker and he knew what he was doing.
Speaker 1: Soon after figuring out Derek's movements in Eldorado and Yolo County,
Speaker 1: Captain Tom's investigations extended to other parts of California, with
Speaker 1: evidence found in Sacramento County, Placer County, and the Bay Area.
Speaker 3: He was NonStop, just going and going. That was his
Speaker 3: full time job.
Speaker 1: And because of his so called firefighting credentials, sometimes the
Speaker 1: prescription drugs Derek was accessing were even free.
Speaker 3: He filled out the paperwork, and because it's an injured firefighter,
Speaker 3: the state of California would pick up the tab.
Speaker 1: By simply showing up in a uniform and being a
Speaker 1: convincing liar, Derek managed to exploit a system that was
Speaker 1: set up to help people.
Speaker 3: It's not a victimless crime. It's whether people care or not.
Speaker 3: And I cared it was bad. It's just he's already overdose.
Speaker 3: He was in the hospital overdose. You put him behind
Speaker 3: a wheel. All he has to do is crash into somebody.
Speaker 3: And if I'm doing an investigation on him and I
Speaker 3: don't stop that, then I would have a hard time
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 2: But not everyone feels the same way.
Speaker 3: I was told at one point, leave it alone, just
Speaker 3: walk away.
Speaker 2: The higher ups are concerned by how much Captain Tom
Speaker 2: is putting into this.
Speaker 3: You know, you think that doing an investigation, it's forty
Speaker 3: five minutes and commercials and it's not.
Speaker 2: He's even gathering evidence on his days off.
Speaker 3: People high, you're up in the organization. They thought I
Speaker 3: was too fixated on him, and yeah, they're right, I was.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, there was something special about him.
Speaker 3: He was special, he needed special attention.
Speaker 1: Over two weeks, Captain Tom assembles a report and it's extensive.
Speaker 3: Shortly after that, I went to the Yellow County District
Speaker 3: Attorney's office and met one of their fraud investigators and
Speaker 3: laid it out. This is what I have and they're
Speaker 3: going okay, and it's like no, this is like this
Speaker 3: guy's working hard at it. He needs to get in trouble.
Speaker 2: An arrest warrant is written up for Derek.
Speaker 1: The next day, Derek Audred is standing at a payphone
Speaker 1: outside of place of Hill McDonald's. He's just getting ready
Speaker 1: to hang up the phone when a truck pulls up
Speaker 1: to the sidewalk next to him.
Speaker 2: Captain Tom steps out.
Speaker 3: I got him again. Point I said, hey, Derek, remember me,
Speaker 3: and he said yes, I do. Okay, cool, I haven't
Speaker 3: warrant for arrest.
Speaker 1: In only two weeks, Captain Tom has collected a lot
Speaker 1: of evidence.
Speaker 3: I had him on video. I had him on hospitals
Speaker 3: and pharmacies and clinics had people who identified him. Then
Speaker 3: I also had the medical records, his signature, and all
Speaker 3: the different variations of how he would use his name.
Speaker 3: I could compile all.
Speaker 1: That at a payphone outside of a McDonald's. Captain Tom
Speaker 1: had put Derrek Aldred in handcuffs, put him in the
Speaker 1: back of the truck, and tron supported him back to
Speaker 1: the police station. And now that they've arrived, a new
Speaker 1: challenge awaits interviewing Derek Audrett directly.
Speaker 3: My whole goal was to get him to talk to
Speaker 3: me and tell me his story, and so that's why
Speaker 3: I brought him in and being nice, Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 3: You want some water and want some gatorade.
Speaker 1: Captain Tom has been in the job for many years.
Speaker 1: He knows that this kind of interview is a careful dance,
Speaker 1: one that begins with making sure Derek feels comfortable.
Speaker 3: Just getting a little history about him, him growing up,
Speaker 3: et cetera. And then he appeared to be kind of
Speaker 3: stressed when I got done with that, So we gave
Speaker 3: him like ten minutes where I said, you know, do
Speaker 3: you need some time to yourself? I said, let me
Speaker 3: turn the lights off and just put your head down.
Speaker 3: And he put his head on the table and bent
Speaker 3: over and we turned the lights off and give him
Speaker 3: a break.
Speaker 1: Well, Derek takes a break head down on a desk,
Speaker 1: baseball cap on. Captain Tom thinks about his strategy.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to go down any road where I was,
Speaker 3: you know, could be considered a jerk to him. He
Speaker 3: doesn't like confrontation. He didn't like to be accused. I
Speaker 3: definitely knew he had an ego. He said, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm doing to go in there, And I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell him he's the best liar I've ever met in
Speaker 3: my life.
Speaker 5: Know what, I'm gonna shake your hand. You're very good.
Speaker 5: Know what you do, the way you go and get drugs,
Speaker 5: You're very good. Aren't you not something with it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: No, aren't you very good?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And doing it for a long time?
Speaker 5: Okay? And what's the main story? Because you're not a story?
Speaker 5: And I'm telling you, man, you're good, aren't you?
Speaker 4: I don't think so?
Speaker 5: I mean, oh, come on, putting yourself on the back.
Speaker 5: You're good. Well.
Speaker 3: I talked to him about him being a good liar
Speaker 3: and all that I'm trying to get him to acknowledge,
Speaker 3: and I'm trying to give him some control back.
Speaker 5: You can get doctors, you can get clinics, you can
Speaker 5: get people at pharmacies. They will buy into it. Pharmacies,
Speaker 5: you know the prescription's already done.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: That's that's pretty easy, isn't it. Yeah, But now at
Speaker 5: a clinic where you have professionals who are there, and
Speaker 5: you walk in and represent yourself as what.
Speaker 4: I've represented myself as an executive, as a firefighter, as
Speaker 4: you need it, okay, when you do.
Speaker 1: Captain Tom also lays out the information he has in
Speaker 1: front of Derek.
Speaker 5: I know that you've been around and personated a firefighter.
Speaker 5: I know that, okay, because well that's my job, Yeah,
Speaker 5: to investigate what I always tell people that I'm a
Speaker 5: puzzle maker. Being a puzzle maker, what does that.
Speaker 4: Mean you put the pieces of the puzzle to them.
Speaker 5: Yeah. A lot of times puzzles will point to a
Speaker 5: direction or something.
Speaker 2: Right now, he wants Derek to come to the table himself.
Speaker 5: What's harder to do to do something wrong or to
Speaker 5: admit you made a mistake.
Speaker 4: I guess for me it would be so much dashed
Speaker 4: to it. Yeah, probably admitting the mistake.
Speaker 5: Okay, so can you start admitting the mistakes you've made
Speaker 5: where you've gone dressed as a firefighter filling out forms?
Speaker 5: What is it going to take for me to get
Speaker 5: you to admit to that?
Speaker 4: It's not going to take anything. I mean, okay, I
Speaker 4: couldn't tell you where I've gone to do that, except
Speaker 4: I really don't remember.
Speaker 3: I just don't.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've been to you know. Shoot, I've been
Speaker 4: to a lot of places.
Speaker 5: Okay, start naming places.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, it works. Derek starts talking. He begins to
Speaker 1: list clinics the same ones Captain Tom investigated.
Speaker 3: And I was just shocked he remembered it.
Speaker 2: Plus he provides the names of additional clinics, explains in
Speaker 2: more detail how he was able to scam them with
Speaker 2: this infamous ladder injury story.
Speaker 4: I can tell you one time in particular that I
Speaker 4: remember clear as a bell, because I wasn't totally out
Speaker 4: of my tree. I said, I entered my shoulder. I
Speaker 4: think that what the specific reason I used was that
Speaker 4: I was moving, I was lifting something heavy off the.
Speaker 5: Back of the truck, and the heavy object was like
Speaker 5: a ladder or something like that. And give me the
Speaker 5: story how you would tell.
Speaker 2: After a bit of back and forth, Derek begins to explain, I'd.
Speaker 4: Say I entered my shoulder and I just need to
Speaker 4: have someone to take a look at it.
Speaker 5: Okay, how did you do your shoulder? I don't know.
Speaker 4: I was. I would give varying reasons. You know, something
Speaker 4: very you know, stupid mundane, like you know, picking something
Speaker 4: up or lifting.
Speaker 2: Something, And there was more.
Speaker 1: Before pretending to be a fire fighter, Derek had also
Speaker 1: tried to defraud people by impersonating other professions.
Speaker 3: He had mentioned that he was up in South Lake
Speaker 3: Tahoe earlier at the previous winter and he was impersonating
Speaker 3: executives and companies just to get stuff blew me away
Speaker 3: that he really wants to go and be someone different.
Speaker 1: This is more than a decade before getting caught for
Speaker 1: impersonating a naval officer, financial executives, successful business owners to
Speaker 1: gain the trust of women across the states. Captain Tom
Speaker 1: is surprised by how calm Derek is throughout the confession.
Speaker 3: I still don't understand how a person can do what
Speaker 3: he did. Normal people, if they got caught or you'd
Speaker 3: think they would be nervous and scared, But he wasn't.
Speaker 3: It didn't phase him. He did not have any issue
Speaker 3: with him putting on a firefighter uniform walk in into
Speaker 3: a medical office, Saint Doc, I injured myself. I needed prescription.
Speaker 3: It just amazes me. The only thing Derek felt bad
Speaker 3: about is that he got.
Speaker 2: Caught at first.
Speaker 1: Derek Audread is indicted on a series of charges that
Speaker 1: include insurance fraud, prescription drug fraud, misrepresentation as a firefighter,
Speaker 1: and burglary. In the end, he'll make a plea deal
Speaker 1: please no contest to a couple of the burglary charges
Speaker 1: and the.
Speaker 2: Rest are dismissed.
Speaker 1: He'll spend a year and a half in a county
Speaker 1: jail and be on probation for another couple of years
Speaker 1: after that, and Captain Tom goes back to his normal
Speaker 1: life and his work as a fire investigator. Until one day,
Speaker 1: many years later, when he's already retired, he gets another
Speaker 1: unexpected call.
Speaker 3: Ay, do you know what Derek Aldred?
Speaker 1: Yeah, almost two decades have passed since Captain Tom last
Speaker 1: heard that name, and Derek has gotten up to a
Speaker 1: lot in the intervening years.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh my god, I could not believe it.
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe what he had done. He was a
Speaker 3: predator when he was dealing narcotics. He was a predator,
Speaker 3: you know, with every woman that he had a relationship with.
Speaker 3: He was always pretending to be somebody better than himself.
Speaker 1: But in a way, no one knew better than Captain
Speaker 1: Tom what Derek Audread was really capable of.
Speaker 3: He puts his uniform on, goes to work, steals from people,
Speaker 3: and he does it over and over again, and then
Speaker 3: he does it on steroids. When he's doing it to
Speaker 3: these women. It blows my mind. I can't comprehend the
Speaker 3: stuff that he did to these women, and he was
Speaker 3: able to get away with it. It wasn't until the
Speaker 3: women started researching him and doing their homework that actually
Speaker 3: got him.
Speaker 1: I can't help but wonder whether all the pain Derek
Speaker 1: inflicted over the years could have been prevented if more
Speaker 1: law enforcement felt the way Captain Tom did.
Speaker 3: When I worked in law unfortune, I cared took the
Speaker 3: job to do a service to people, and a lot
Speaker 3: of them. It appears that law enforcement didn't want any
Speaker 3: part of it.
Speaker 1: Coming up in the next bonus episode of The Girlfriends
Speaker 1: Trust Me Babe, Why did it take so long to
Speaker 1: bring Derek's crime spree to an end.
Speaker 3: How are you allowing this person who's clearly done these
Speaker 3: heinous cramps to continue to be set.
Speaker 2: Free or to get away from y'all? And has anything changed?
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