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Speaker 1: Welcome third Gang. On today's show, baby steps slowly, very slowly,

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Speaker 1: especially for me, We begin to distance ourselves from Monday

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Speaker 1: broader view. Was twenty twenty one a success or was

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Speaker 1: it a failure? Or somewhere in between? Everyone has their

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Speaker 1: own opinion and no one is wrong. It's Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: Episode five twenty nine, and it starts now. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two with Craig Griolou and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals

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Speaker 1: catch in a touchdown DeAndre Hopkins. Here's Craig Griolou and

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Speaker 1: Mike Jarecki. So does the twenty four hour rule exists

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Speaker 1: for the playoffs? Obviously it does when you win, But

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Speaker 1: what about when you lose? When are you supposed to

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Speaker 1: move on? Because I'm ja I'm having a hard time

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Speaker 1: three days later? Well, normally, back in the day when

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Speaker 1: the locker rooms were open, it was kind of like

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Speaker 1: exit interviews and they obviously me with the general manager position, coach,

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Speaker 1: find out the guys that need surgery. So when the

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Speaker 1: players did the zoom exit interviews or in Kingsbury, that

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't prevent you know, would happen. But now

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Speaker 1: it's the offseason, and you know, I thought they had

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Speaker 1: something they learn from, including Kyler Murray, because when he

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Speaker 1: little things that he talks about he needs to apply

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Speaker 1: to himself. Mentioned in our last show that the season

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Speaker 1: and the way the season ended leaves you wanting more.

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Speaker 1: It was unfulfilling, and one in eleven games is not

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Speaker 1: not conflict that I'm having, but I certainly understand both

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Speaker 1: difficult as it is, how do you view it? How

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Speaker 1: would you describe the twenty twenty one Arizona Cardinals. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you take body of work, there was a lot

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Speaker 1: Disappointing and almost embarrassing what happened on Monday Night football

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Speaker 1: against the Rams. Now, going into the season, we thought

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Speaker 1: But going into the year four, Cliff has to figure

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Speaker 1: So we talked about this is a big year and

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00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: got here, but just how highly he spoke of Kingsbury,

432
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: where he is one of the better play callers, and

433
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: people are gonna roll their eyes when they hear this. Unfortunately,

434
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 1: weren't able to target him in the Rams game. But

435
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: he just said that this offense is growing, and people say, well,

436
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: it's been three years, Mike, it should be grown. I

437
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: get it. But this is a new guy that never

438
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: really was in this locker room or you know, playing

439
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: with the Cardinals. And he speaks very highly of Kyler

440
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: Murray to where he's one of the better quarterbacks in

441
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: the league. Now again, proof will be in the pudding.

442
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: I think Kyler's show him flashes. But I just thought,

443
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: here's a guy that doesn't need to go to bed

444
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: for anybody. Yes, he would like to be here. They

445
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: would love to retain him. It's a business at the

446
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: end of the day. His wife loves it out here,

447
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: so he checks all the boxes. But he didn't have

448
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: to say that. He could have just said, hey, listen,

449
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 1: the season didn't go and I'm gonna take some time

450
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: off to reflect. But he was very open about what

451
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: he thinks of the head coach and Kyler Murray, and

452
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: I respect that. Because we're not in meetings, we don't

453
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: know what transpires. He knows the way he calls the

454
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,479
Speaker 1: game and if he's impressed a guy that you know,

455
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: basically was not on the roster going into the season.

456
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: That tells me. And he's a smart guy and to me,

457
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: he's not going to put his name behind something he

458
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: doesn't believe in. He has repeatedly called Kyler Murray the

459
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: most talented player I've ever been around, and then he

460
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: added he and Murray quote just are scratching the surface

461
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 1: as a tight end quarterback connection. I do believe Zach

462
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: Ertz wants to be back, Yet at the same time,

463
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: there are a number of free agents on this roster,

464
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: and how do you prioritize. Money becomes a factor as well.

465
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: But Ertz made it very clear he enjoyed his time,

466
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: three months worth of time here what they Arizona Cardinals,

467
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: and he would like to be back. Quote, but that

468
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: just might out of my control. Well, I'll say this,

469
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: I anticipate he will be a priority free agent. Now

470
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: I don't know the numbers. Obviously his agents got to

471
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: do what's best for him. But when you get to

472
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: this point in your career, it's about lifestyle, family, and

473
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: obviously you know, playing on a team that can get

474
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: to the postseason. And then I would bring back Max Williams.

475
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: They miss Max Williams and love personnel. And we'll talk

476
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: about this as we get closer to, you know, after

477
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: a free agency. But the draft is loaded at tight ends.

478
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: So here you got a veteran guy and then you

479
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: got your meeting potatoes guy in Max, and you draft

480
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: one of these young tight ends for the future and

481
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: they will be your top three there. So they do

482
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: what they have what they call physitional spending, So you

483
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: gotta pie and you a lot so much to your

484
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: offensive line, to your wide receivers, your running backs, your quarterback,

485
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: and so they'll be there'll be room for both Max

486
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: Williams and Zach Ertz to turn here and then draft

487
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: one for the future. And to me, that position will

488
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: be solidified because over the years they've been mixing and

489
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: matching with guys. I mean the fact that he had

490
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,479
Speaker 1: more more catches in a certain amount of time than

491
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: going back to maybe they got to go back to

492
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: their Saint Louis days or when Freddie Jones was here.

493
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: So to me, that position he'll be a priority. But

494
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: that position on paper, if everything goes according to plan,

495
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: and Max Williams wants to be here, and like I said,

496
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: the draft. I'm not saying the first or second round.

497
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: It's so deep. You can get a young guy because

498
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: we know the tight end position has become more of

499
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: a matchup, whether it's a linebacker or safety. And if

500
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: you can get that trust. Even Kyler had it with

501
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: Dan Arnold, and he trusts thatch Ertz and he trusts

502
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: Max Williams, so that position will be probably one of

503
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: the strengths if they can retain in draft. You bring

504
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: up Max Williams Hurts week five, and that was another

505
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: turning point with respect to this offense on how valuable

506
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: certain players are to the system. It takes eleven on offense,

507
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: eleven on defense. But when you remove a small piece

508
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: sometimes that has it's like Jenga, that game Jenga. You

509
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: try to remove a piece of wood and all of

510
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: a sudden, it all falls apart. That was DeAndre Hopkins,

511
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: and for other players, yeah, you might have some more

512
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 1: wobbling or teetering or tottering. You're when you move one

513
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: of those pieces. And Max Williams was one of those pieces,

514
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: and it would be good to see him back in

515
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: a uniform this upcoming season. The other mentioned I wanted

516
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: to bring up as far as what was said on Tuesday,

517
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: and that is and we'll have further discussion on this.

518
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: But Jordan Hicks with respects to his future, I thought

519
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: he was very honest. He's always been very honest, and

520
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: he was asked flat out his relationship, not with the

521
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: head coach. He spoke verily highly of Kingsbury, but where

522
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: he is with respects to this organization and the team,

523
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: would he request a trade again quote I'm not ready

524
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: to answer that question yet. End quote. And I believe

525
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks, but that's something to pay attention to. He

526
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: also spoke very highly of Isaiah Simmons and Zaven Collins,

527
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: two young inside linebackers. Whether they stay at that spot

528
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: or not, but two young players that might push a

529
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: veteran I eat Jordan Hicks out the door. Well, I mean,

530
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: his cap number is close to nine million. You can

531
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: try to move money around. He's getting up there in age,

532
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: and particularly he did not play well like anybody else

533
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: in that Rams game. And again that's because he's playing

534
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: almost ninety seven percent of the snaps, but he's getting

535
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: everyone lined up. So there's a benefit of the doubt there.

536
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: When you draft two guys at eight and sixteen. They

537
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: have to be on the field, Craig, And I'm not

538
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: into Isaiah Simmons moving to outside linebacker. I mean again,

539
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: maybe instead of four positions, maybe it's three. But now

540
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: the onus is on the players and the coaching staff.

541
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: They have to get Zaven Collins ready. None of this.

542
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna kind of red shirt this year, and he

543
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of snaps. And this team was

544
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: trying to win football games based on their start versus

545
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: developing players. Now, if you're you know, you're five and seven,

546
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: now you start playing young players and everything else. But

547
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: this team was trying to win games while also developing

548
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: young players. So now the onus is on the players

549
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: and the coaches to get these guys ready for the

550
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: upcoming season. The off season is already under way. We

551
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: have roster moves as well. The first roster moves of

552
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: the offseason. Fifteen players signed to future contracts, which just

553
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: means that these contracts can't become official until March sixteenth,

554
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: which is the dates the start of the new league year.

555
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: But fifteen players, thirteen of Hoomberg Gang you're very familiar with.

556
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: They either were on the active roster or practice squad

557
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: at some point this season. Joe Walker is back, Coda

558
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: Martin is back, Danny is Adora is back, Breon Borders

559
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: is back, Bernard Psychovitz is back. But there are two

560
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: additional players that are new to the Arizona Cardinals with

561
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: respects to future contracts, and those are running back Jalen

562
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: Samuels and tight end Dion Yelder. Maybe they become something,

563
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: maybe they don't, but they are now the first pieces

564
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: of the ninety man roster going in to next season.

565
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: What do you I know you had some thoughts on

566
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: both Samuels and Yelder. I like Samuels. He's played for

567
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: a couple of different teams. I want to say he's

568
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: got at least thirty five forty starts. I mean, you

569
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: do have two running backs are free agents. I would

570
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: think they like to retain them. You still have Eno

571
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: Benjamin under contract. I think Jonathan Wore could be a

572
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: restricted guy. Good special teams player. Again, we witnessed it

573
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 1: this year. You have to have depth at that position.

574
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: I like it. The fact that he has experience doesn't

575
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: preclude the Cardinals from drafting a guy. Depending on how

576
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: many draft picks they end up with and then Yelder

577
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: is another guy that has experienced it. And again maybe

578
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: they're looking for that tight end that can do more

579
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: than just catch the ball, that can block. But the

580
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 1: fact is both of these guys have experience a lot

581
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 1: of these guys that they brought back Bachelli, Bortles, Isadora,

582
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: Cody Martin. They're young guys, so you want to sprinkle

583
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: a nice youth for your practice squad, but you want

584
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: some other guys to push for competition. And I do

585
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: think when you look you look at Samuel's and Yelder,

586
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: they will do that. Maybe not in offseason workouts, but

587
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: in training camp. I don't want to go one in

588
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: one equals two as far as project, But when you

589
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: look at Samuel's just his measurables six ft two twenty five,

590
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: he is similar to a James Connor, not Hse Edmonds.

591
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: Now both are free agents, But are you better suited

592
00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: because you're bigger, stronger for seventeen game regular season eighteen

593
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: game eighteen week regular season. That's a good observation because

594
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: ENO's more like Chase and Jonathan Ward's kind of like both.

595
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: And again, you have to play on teams if you're

596
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: not the top two backs on the roster and Samuels

597
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: can catch the ball out of the backfield. He's got

598
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: eighty five catches for five hundred and sixty four yards,

599
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: four touchdowns. Drafted by the Pittsburgh Steelers in the fifth

600
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: round and twenty eighteen and oh yeah, NC State, so

601
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: he already has a connection with the most important person

602
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: within the organization. That would be Adrian We'll oh wait, no.

603
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: General manager Steve Cotton doesn't hurt that both the GM

604
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: and a double went to NC State, but I found

605
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: that interesting. It's probably just coincidence, but it did stand out.

606
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: Ted is a good observation size wise, if you're not

607
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: able to ro a team. James Cunner, No, I'm not

608
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: comparing them. I'm just saying size wise, you want you

609
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: want a bruiser. And the fact that when they were

610
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: in short yarders this year, you didn't have to worry

611
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: about Murray. Even Edmunds good from the twenties to the twenties.

612
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: But Connor's third and two, fourth and one goal line,

613
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: he was a bowling ball and it's gonna be hard

614
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: to replace it. And I'm hoping they retain him and

615
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: they can go they can go four deep at that

616
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: running back position, so if injuries do occur, there's not

617
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: going to be a huge drop off. Now, there were

618
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: a handful of players that were not signed to future contracts,

619
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: and again these are players that are free agents. They

620
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: can choose to sign with whomever they want, or the

621
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: Cardinals might bring them back at the later date. But

622
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: names that we have talked about a lot this season

623
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: not signed. Tavian Feaster, another running back who was like

624
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: a pin ping ball ball as far as going from

625
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: practice squad to elevated to back to the practice squad,

626
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: Kevin Peterson a cornerback, but Shot Breland. Those three players

627
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: not signed to futures contracts nowither by team choice or

628
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: by player choice, or maybe later on they have a

629
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: conversation and they are on the ninety man roster. But

630
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: those three names we talked a lot about him during

631
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: the regular season, not a part of this list of

632
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: initial fifteen players. Well, Peterson to me is you know,

633
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want kind of markets out there

634
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: for him, and he's really a special teams player and

635
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: he did bail this team out playing corner Brillan was

636
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: more just a veteran guy and if he didn't get sick,

637
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: he probably would have been active against the RAM so

638
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: he'll again he was on the street, so he'll be

639
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: out there. But that's a position they're going to have

640
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: to address in the draft or free agency. And you know,

641
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: I don't think they have to go out and spend

642
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: a ton of money because you've got all those guys

643
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: that are under twenty five years old. They need to

644
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Speaker 1: be more consistent when it comes to Byron Murphy, Marco

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Speaker 1: Wilson and Tonio Hamilton's more of a depth guy. Kevin

646
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: Peterson's more of a depth guy. And then you know,

647
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Speaker 1: Aliford will see I would bring Oliford back. You know,

648
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Speaker 1: I know he wasn't able to finish the season, but

649
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Speaker 1: to me, he's one of your physical and people will

650
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: mention Byron Murphy, but Alford to me, would have been

651
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: a great matchup on Odell Beckham Junior in all three games.

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Speaker 1: One other name, Zach Kerd, the defensive lineman who sums

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00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: sometime on the active roster, not brought back, but that's

654
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: because he was signed by the Bengals off the Cardinals

655
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Speaker 1: practice squad. So Zach Kerr's season continues, So congratulations to him.

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Speaker 1: More on the Bengals in a moment and the other item.

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Speaker 1: According to reports, Vans Joseph will have his interview with

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins on Friday. Would love to see Vans Joseph

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Speaker 1: get another opportunity to be a head coach. I think

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Speaker 1: he's well past deserving. He needs to get another opportunity. Yet,

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Speaker 1: at the same time, it would be a huge blow

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Speaker 1: in my opinion to lose Vans Joseph. Happy for him.

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Speaker 1: Yet at the same time, when you're having success, then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, teams look to you, Okay, what

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Speaker 1: are they doing? Are there people that we can uplift

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00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: and promote. Vans Joseph again deserves to be the head coach.

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00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: Yet I think he has done great things for the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals defense. Well, just like Kyler Murray and Cliff Kingsbury,

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Speaker 1: we're looking at extensions based on what happened down the stretch.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad he's getting an interview. It's all you want

671
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Speaker 1: to do is get in front of the decision makers.

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00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: He has a relationship with the organization, and again it's

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Speaker 1: good to go in there and give your philosophy. But

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Speaker 1: based on how things happen, I don't see him possibly

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Speaker 1: getting that gig. I could be wrong. We'll wait and see,

676
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Speaker 1: and of course we'll follow along here on Cardinals cover two,

677
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Speaker 1: presented by Hunday Probab, partner of the Arizona Cardinals. And

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Speaker 1: you know I got in my hand here, am Jay

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Speaker 1: right here. I am not opposed to this. I just

680
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Speaker 1: was hoping that we wouldn't have to be discussing it

681
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: here at the end of January mock draft season. Mel

682
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: Kiper junior and there's only a handful of that will

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Speaker 1: kind of pay attention to because a lot of people

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Speaker 1: just don't pay attention to the college game. But mel

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00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: Kuiper junior does okay, and he put a lot of

686
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Speaker 1: work in there, and he's been doing it for years.

687
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Speaker 1: And you know, there's Daniel Jeremiah's Dan Bruegler, There's Todd McShay.

688
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Speaker 1: I don't pay attention to mock drafts. I rank players,

689
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Speaker 1: do I take a look, Yes, But when you're picking

690
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: twenty three, let's flip a coin. It is a research tool.

691
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Speaker 1: But the first name, and I'll be honest with the

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Speaker 1: Bird Gang, I have no idea who this player I am.

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Speaker 1: No I do who he is. Purdue defensive end George karlaftis.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's call Rondel Moore. I'm hoping that I

695
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Speaker 1: pronounced his name correctly. Two hundred seventy five pound defensive end,

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Speaker 1: four and a half sacks in twenty twenty one. But

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Speaker 1: good pressure even though he didn't always get home to

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, is what mel kiper Junior wrote as part

699
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Speaker 1: of his ride up and good against the run. So again,

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Speaker 1: just the first of many names that will be brought

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Speaker 1: to the attention of Cardinal And now to me, if

702
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Speaker 1: you if you want to get better, you gotta get

703
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Speaker 1: better in the trenches. And that doesn't mean you know,

704
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Speaker 1: some teams will not draft all unless you're like an

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Speaker 1: all pro lineman. Teams try to use a third or

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Speaker 1: fourth round pick. So defensive line to me would be

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Speaker 1: a need um in a priority. Maybe you do that

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Speaker 1: in free agency. They did that last year with J. J.

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Speaker 1: Watt and the offensive line. Defensive line, to me, that's

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Speaker 1: where you would take a guy that is more of

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Speaker 1: a rotation guy, but in the future he's going to

712
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Speaker 1: be a stud. You know, that defensive tackle like Fletcher Cox,

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Speaker 1: Geno Atkins, some of those guys where you know you

714
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Speaker 1: can you can lean on them. And they can split

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Speaker 1: a double team. I like the position, don't know a

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Speaker 1: lot about the player. You tell me that Karloftis says

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Speaker 1: he's a defensive end. But if you can find him

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Speaker 1: to be a Aaron Donald type, Aaron Aaron Aaron Donald

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Speaker 1: was drafted thirteenth overall. Yeah, he was not a top

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Speaker 1: ten pick. J. J. Watt was not a top ten pick.

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Speaker 1: So you can find studs Hall of famers that are

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Speaker 1: not quote unquote lottery picks if you will. Okay, just

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Speaker 1: before we go, I want to go back to we

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Speaker 1: mentioned it briefly on the postgame show, and maybe we

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Speaker 1: mentioned it on Monday when Tuesday when we did our

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Speaker 1: show and then we did the Red Seat report. So

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Speaker 1: I talked to someone that was with Aaron Donald when

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Speaker 1: he was drafted, and I guess one of the first

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Speaker 1: OTAs he's out there and an alignment cut him in practice,

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Speaker 1: true story, he went over there and grabbed his face,

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Speaker 1: mac ripped it off. The screws are going everywhere, and

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Speaker 1: somebody told me, yes, he's mild manner off the field,

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Speaker 1: but he's got this trigger in his brain where he

734
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Speaker 1: can control it. So I'm getting to when he tried

735
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Speaker 1: to choke. He didn't get there, but he literally tried

736
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Speaker 1: to put his two hands around DJ Humphreys and then

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Speaker 1: they got him off the field. Calm down, but they

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Speaker 1: say he's got this trigger and the fact that this

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00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: is how strong he is. He grabbed his face mask,

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Speaker 1: pulled it right off him and the screwis were coming out.

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Speaker 1: That's impressive. I'm trying to get a visual just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want what the guy's face looked like. By the way,

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Speaker 1: DJ Humphries was asked about that altercation and here, I

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00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: don't know what happened or what, so I'm just a

745
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: getting heat of the moment kind of things. It happens.

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Speaker 1: Yet I do think John McVeigh was smart to pull

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Speaker 1: ninety nine off the field. Yeah, it always happens against

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Speaker 1: the Ramzelle. Yeah, he's like he's like Danny Ainges. You

749
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Speaker 1: want him on your team and if he's on another team,

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Speaker 1: you don't like him. But he's a great player, so

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Speaker 1: I respect him, very very good player. By the way,

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Speaker 1: division around of the playoffs who he got four games,

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Speaker 1: two on Saturday, two on Sunday Bengals at the Titans,

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Speaker 1: followed by the forty nine ers at the Packers. That's

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Speaker 1: the schedule for Saturday. Maybe Derek Henry returns for Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: It seems like that's where we're trending. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: cold at lambeau Field. I'm gonna go, you go on,

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Speaker 1: chalk no, because I'm pulling for the forty Niners. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go with the hometown team. That's right. Yes, Bay

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00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: areas so and again and they're playing well and the

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Speaker 1: Packers coming off with you. But do you want your

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Speaker 1: division rivals? Yes, show how good this stuff is? All right?

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Speaker 1: Then you know what Bengals, Titans, Hey, just give me

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Speaker 1: a good game to begin the weekend. Forty nine Ers

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Speaker 1: over the Packers on Saturday night. Now, with that being said,

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Speaker 1: I want the Bucks to beat the Rams. Wait a second,

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Speaker 1: you can't put no time out. No no no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no no, you can't have one and then flip

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Speaker 1: it on me because you had me going there like well,

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Speaker 1: NFC West, let's see the see the end, let's feel

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Speaker 1: what On Sunday Rams at Buccaneers followed by Bills that

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Speaker 1: Chiefs and you say you want the Buccaneers. I want

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Speaker 1: the Buccaneers to win as well, because there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of good coaches on that Tampa Bay sideline that

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Speaker 1: we're here with Arizona. So go forty nine Ers. Rams. Sorry, okay,

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Speaker 1: you're out of luck. We can only have one NC

777
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: West team button you want. But over the last I mean,

778
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Speaker 1: Jerikoff and McVeigh got to the Super Bowl against them,

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00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: the Patriots, forty nine Ers got there. Um, probably should

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Speaker 1: have won that game. Um, And then Seattle's been there.

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Speaker 1: So if any team reps to the NFC West, I

782
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: will root for them. Okay, that's whether forty nine Ers

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00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: or Rams get there, But but your priority is forty

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00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: nine is first, Ram second, Yes, just because you know

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Speaker 1: how I feel about the Rams. They are so arrogant,

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00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: and you know what, they backed it up and they

787
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: went all in, and that's what the ownership wanted. So UM,

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Speaker 1: I would just like to see him get beat. Do

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Speaker 1: I even bother to ask you who you're pulling for?

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Speaker 1: On the Nightcap on Sunday, Bills at the Chiefs, a

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Speaker 1: rematch of last year's AFC title game, Josh Allen versus

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. Well, my heart's saying Buffalo. But what the

793
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Speaker 1: Chiefs didn't that the fourth quarter? I don't know if

794
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: they could be stopped. Now it's all going to come

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Speaker 1: down to. Yeah, but Buffalo stat that they've punted. They've

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Speaker 1: had zero punts in three of their last four games. Yeah,

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00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: and they went they scored touchdowns on seven straight possessions.

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00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: It was almost a near perfect performance. And last year

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Speaker 1: they couldn't run the ball. They can run the ball.

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Speaker 1: Now he's utilizing the tight ends and they lost tradevious White.

801
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: He's one of the best corners in football. So being

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00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 1: curious to see the matchups there. But Cincinnati's interesting because

803
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: Raybell's not gonna let his team look over them. And

804
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: the first playoff win in thirty one years. They have

805
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: a young, talented team. Now they have to go on

806
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Speaker 1: the road, and people were talking about, you know, Joe

807
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Speaker 1: Burrow on how well he played while they were at home.

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00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: So and again, Cardinals, they didn't have a great record,

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Speaker 1: but I'm sure everyone in the building would like to

810
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Speaker 1: see them host a playoff game. But um, we'll see

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Speaker 1: about the two number one seats. That's the other thing.

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00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: Bengals momentum, if you buy into that, heightens. They were

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Speaker 1: off forty nine ers, playing well down the stretch. The Packers.

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Speaker 1: They lost Week eighteen, Aaron Rodgers didn't play the second half,

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Speaker 1: did not play last week. Everyone with the Packers was

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Speaker 1: home watching everything on television, and you know, Kyle Shanahan's

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00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: kind of had you know Matt Lafleur's number a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's interesting. And they all worked together. McVeigh, Lafleur,

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Speaker 1: and Shanahan, they all worked in Washington together. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: They showed their facers. They click. They're twenty five, twenty

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Speaker 1: eight years old, and they're like once a coordinator, once

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Speaker 1: a tight downs coach, one's a wide receiver coach. And

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Speaker 1: here they are, you know, a couple of wins away

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Speaker 1: from representing their team and going to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: By the way, three of the remaining eight teams forty nine, Ers, Buccaneers,

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Speaker 1: and Chiefs are on the Cardinal's schedule next season. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that home schedule is gonna be a murderer's role from

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Speaker 1: a quarterback standpoint, But I'm looking forward to be so

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Speaker 1: hopefully the Cardinals get a primetime game early in the season. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, they haven't played well in primetime in the

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Speaker 1: NFL this year, the first four games. Once they made

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00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: the cruise, they thought the Cardinals were not going to

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00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: be a good team, so that's why we didn't get

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Speaker 1: the A team. But I do think with Justin Herbert,

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Speaker 1: we'll see who if it's Jameis Winston, Tom Brady, and

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Speaker 1: then Patrick Mahomes, and then you talk about Trey Lance,

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00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: possibly Matthew Stafford, and we'll see what happens in Seattle.

838
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: But a great home schedule, you're talking about fireworks. Now

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00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: they could just win at home. But that's an entirely

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Speaker 1: different conversation. I'm not opening up that door, at least

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00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: not right now. On that note. Hey, good week in

842
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: a football ahead. As difficult as it's going to be

843
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: with the Cardinals not a part of it. That is

844
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Speaker 1: four great games over the course of two days. You

845
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: hear this a lot when you start covering football, Like

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00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people think that this is the best

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00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: week in a football because obviously, yet four quality teams

848
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: that have earned the right to be here. You know, hopefully,

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Speaker 1: you know, Derrick Henry's coming back. Everyone seems like they're healthy,

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00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks are health and then when you get to

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