WEBVTT - S3E7: Judgement Day

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, it's your host ed helms. Here real quick,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it, on with the chaos. This is Snafu Season

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<v Speaker 1>three Formula six previously on Snaffou As Mabel Walker Willebrandt

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<v Speaker 1>was doing everything in her power to stop the tide

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<v Speaker 1>of liquor washing into America.

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<v Speaker 2>Clan took over the city, Dryes and Wets Clan and

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<v Speaker 2>anti clan contending forces.

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<v Speaker 1>Prohibition agents were enforcing the law by repeatedly breaking it.

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<v Speaker 3>By putting a prohibition agent, Tugenhart, on trial for manslaughter,

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<v Speaker 3>it's making him a martyr of prohibition.

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<v Speaker 1>And the US government kept upping the ante in their

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<v Speaker 1>misguided plan to get people to stop drinking.

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<v Speaker 4>When the federal government starts coming up with formulas, they

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<v Speaker 4>supercharge poisons into the alcohol that the bootleggers are stealing.

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<v Speaker 1>Nineteen twenty eight was a momentous year at the movies.

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<v Speaker 1>The world was introduced to a dapper mouse named Mickey

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<v Speaker 1>and a nifty new innovation fund. Radio had just gone national,

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<v Speaker 1>and the World Series was heard from coast to coast,

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<v Speaker 1>much to the delight of Yankee superfan Alexander Gettler, who's

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<v Speaker 1>tuning in to hear the Yankees sweep the Cardinals as

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<v Speaker 1>he's slicing and dicing bodies in his lab at Bellevue Hospital, YEP.

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<v Speaker 1>Nineteen twenty eight was a real barnburner alright, but most

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<v Speaker 1>of all because it was a big election year. The

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<v Speaker 1>presidency was up for grabs. In one corner was Herbert Hoover, Republican,

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<v Speaker 1>and the guy for the dries. In the other corner

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<v Speaker 1>the wet warrior, longtime Governor of New York, Al Smith.

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<v Speaker 5>I am entirely unwilling to accept the old order of

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<v Speaker 5>things as the best unless and until I've become convinced

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<v Speaker 5>that it cannot be made better.

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<v Speaker 1>As Al's speeches buzz over radios across a mayor, I

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<v Speaker 1>can picture Mabel Walker Willebrandt sitting in her office at

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Justice, listening and fuming. You might remember

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<v Speaker 1>that Al thumbed his nose at the law and repealed

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<v Speaker 1>the state's prohibition Enforcement Statute five years before. Well, that

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<v Speaker 1>put Al in Mabel's crosshairs. In Mabel's eyes, Al was

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<v Speaker 1>a man so morally bankrupt that he swept the Constitution

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<v Speaker 1>aside to appeal to the masses. And appeal he did,

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<v Speaker 1>promising to take his wet agenda all the way to

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. Mabel wasn't having it, because when

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<v Speaker 1>al Smith said he refused the quote old order of things.

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<v Speaker 1>Mabel heard him rejecting the thing that mattered most to her,

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<v Speaker 1>sticking to the law and enforcing the Eighteenth Amendment.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the bottom of the nine folks, two outs going on,

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<v Speaker 5>and the crowd is on its feet.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't felt tension like this since the night they rated.

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<v Speaker 1>Mabel and her team were entering the ninth inning. It

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<v Speaker 1>felt like her squad, the dries, or as she saw it,

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<v Speaker 1>the only ones who respected the Constitution were behind, with

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<v Speaker 1>two outs and no runners on. Her colleagues at the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Treasury had made public their deadly poisoning program

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<v Speaker 1>to stop Americans from drinking, and yet still America wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>ready to give up the bottle.

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<v Speaker 5>Mabel Walker Willebrandt steps up to the plate, and I

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<v Speaker 5>tell you what ed. She's making the pictures sweat like

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<v Speaker 5>a bootlegger in July.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Mabel was the last batter up, and you better

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<v Speaker 1>believe she was gonna go down swing. I'm Ed Helms

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<v Speaker 1>and this is Snafu, a show about history's greatest screw ups.

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<v Speaker 1>This is season three, The Story of Formula six. How

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<v Speaker 1>prohibitions wore on alcohol went so go off the rails,

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<v Speaker 1>the government wound up poisoning its own people. In today's episode,

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<v Speaker 1>our threads start weaving together. Prohibition hangs in the balance.

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<v Speaker 1>In the nineteen twenty eight election, and for Richard two

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<v Speaker 1>gun Heart, the chickens finally come home to roost.

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<v Speaker 6>Herbert Hoover. It's the man to give America a case

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<v Speaker 6>of a good life in his youth, I'm minding engineer.

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<v Speaker 6>After the Great War, Hoover brought the golden graine of

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<v Speaker 6>American farms to Rope's starving hordes. He's your Secretary of Commerce.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you want a fertile farm in the new gold Rush?

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<v Speaker 6>Hoops your man, Hoop Hoover in nineteen twenty eight to

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<v Speaker 6>keep the fed fabulous and to keep America fabulous and fed.

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<v Speaker 1>Leading up to the nineteen twenty eight election, Mabel Walker

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<v Speaker 1>Willebrandt was one busy bee.

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<v Speaker 7>She campaigned very hard for Herbert Hoover against Al Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>As author Dan o'krant says, Mabel traveled the country, speaking

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<v Speaker 1>at churches, town halls, and women's groups, all in the

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<v Speaker 1>hopes of scaring the Bejesus out of people. As she

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<v Speaker 1>described a frightening American future under a potential president Al Smith.

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<v Speaker 7>There was a speech she gave in Ohio. Particularly though

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<v Speaker 7>she doesn't specifically invoke Smith's Catholicism their hint, hint, wink

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<v Speaker 7>wink about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Mabel's speech also included one heck of a Zinger.

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<v Speaker 8>Governor Smith's prohibition plan would put white aprons on the

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<v Speaker 8>States and make them serve as bartenders.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't threaten me with a good time, Mabel.

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<v Speaker 7>That led to the Smith campaign really building an issue

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<v Speaker 7>on the discrimination against him.

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<v Speaker 1>Al fired back used Mabel of leading a bigoted, anti

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic whisper campaign, which was actually a pretty fair characterization.

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<v Speaker 1>Al even gave Mabel a nickname, Prohibition Porsche. Now, as

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<v Speaker 1>you history geeks will know, that's a reference to the

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<v Speaker 1>Porsche who apparently played a role in Julius Caesar getting

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<v Speaker 1>knifed on the Senate floor. Unlike Mabel's limp dog whistle Zinger,

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<v Speaker 1>Al landed a direct hit Prohibition Porsche stuck. Mabel absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>hated it, which is part of what makes it such

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<v Speaker 1>a good nickname, I guess, but also Mabel, come on,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's pretty badass. Suffice to say, Mabel was pissed.

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<v Speaker 1>She was hell bent on exposing Al Smith's New York City,

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<v Speaker 1>his hometown, as a den of vice, and she came

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<v Speaker 1>up with a plan straight out of Carrie Nation's playbook

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<v Speaker 1>to humiliate him. After whiffing in her countless legal attempts

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<v Speaker 1>to enforce prohibition and then failing miserably with the freaking

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<v Speaker 1>ku Klux Klan, this was Mabel's hail Mary to make

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<v Speaker 1>her mark. Now she was going to bust heads. She

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<v Speaker 1>was going to go into the speakeasies of New York City,

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<v Speaker 1>smash him up and shut him down. Obviously, she wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to do it herself. She needed an army. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Mabel knew the NYPD was useless to her. New York

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<v Speaker 1>cops had long ago said forget about it to enforcing prohibition,

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<v Speaker 1>So she picked up the phone and summoned agents from

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<v Speaker 1>all over the country, from Denver to Fort Worth to

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas City, and in June nineteen twenty eight, as Al

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<v Speaker 1>Smith was feeling good and officially accepting the Democratic nomination

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<v Speaker 1>in Houston, Mabel's agents converged on the Big Apple. Eight

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<v Speaker 1>years into prohibition, savvy New Yorkers could spot a prohibition

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<v Speaker 1>agent a mile away. The most shabbily dressed man in

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<v Speaker 1>any nightclub was always a secret agent. But Mabel had

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<v Speaker 1>prepped her crew months in advance. She had them dressed

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<v Speaker 1>to the nines so they could blend into the city

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<v Speaker 1>crowd and glide into the swanky watering holes and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>even throw back a few. And then these impeccably groomed

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<v Speaker 1>agents stepped out to the center of speakeasy dance floors

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<v Speaker 1>and got down to business. And I don't mean dance moves.

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<v Speaker 5>We are enforcement agents.

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<v Speaker 9>This establishment is now the hands of the federal government.

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<v Speaker 8>Our guests must leave at once more.

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<v Speaker 1>They made their arrests, and they shut down the bars.

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<v Speaker 1>The raids would lead to a handsome hall for Mabel,

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<v Speaker 1>over one hundred indictments of speakeasy owners. As the raids

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<v Speaker 1>were going down, Mabel sat behind her mahogany desk at

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<v Speaker 1>the DOJ, pretty damn pleased with herself. These massive sweeps

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<v Speaker 1>did exactly what they were intended to do. They became

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<v Speaker 1>known as the June Raids, and they became a huge

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<v Speaker 1>national story. And as Mabel was unleashing hell from the DOJ,

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<v Speaker 1>a few blocks away, other plans were bubbling away at

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Treasury, where the Prohibition Bureau had a

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<v Speaker 1>new commissioner, James Duran. Duran had presided over the implementation

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<v Speaker 1>of the government's alcohol poisoning scheme. Remember, Formula six was

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<v Speaker 1>just one of dozens of formulas the government cooked up

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<v Speaker 1>to make drinks undrinkable, and just like they did for

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<v Speaker 1>all the other government formulas, the bootleggers responded instills and

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<v Speaker 1>makeshift labs. Outside the nation's capital. Those bootlegger chemists were

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<v Speaker 1>burning the midnight oil, coming up with a recipe to

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<v Speaker 1>counter Formula six. They redistilled the tainted alcohol and extracted

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<v Speaker 1>the poisons. When word reached James Duran that yet another

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<v Speaker 1>formula had been defeated, he ordered his chemists to keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>An anonymous source told one reporter.

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<v Speaker 5>KMISOD, the Bureau of Internal Revenues seek to make impossible

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<v Speaker 5>the untangling of poisons in the denatured formulas. In one case,

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<v Speaker 5>a dash of gasoline will be added, and another some

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<v Speaker 5>substance will be included to keep the metal and the

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<v Speaker 5>grain alcohol from separating.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, gasoline, tell me you're out of ideas. Without telling

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<v Speaker 1>me you're out of ideas. After Formula six was successfully defeated,

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<v Speaker 1>formulas three and four were beaten and tossed out later

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<v Speaker 1>that year. But there was one formula that was still effective,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was barely a formula at all. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a simple recipe. To your vat of fine industrial alcohol,

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<v Speaker 1>add wood alcohol straight up.

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<v Speaker 6>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember that original byproduct of home distilling that Norris and

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<v Speaker 1>Getler were warning New Yorkers about way back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen at the start of Prohibition. Well, Duran's chemists had

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<v Speaker 1>used traces of wood alcohol and their formulas before, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was always part of a complex cocktail. Now they

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<v Speaker 1>were just dispensing with everything else and just adding a

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<v Speaker 1>shit ton of wood alcohol, like twice as much as

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<v Speaker 1>ever before. But that's not all. As historian Deborah Blum

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<v Speaker 1>tells us, the government chemists now had their hands on

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<v Speaker 1>the purest, deadliest wood alcohol they could find.

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<v Speaker 4>Germans figured out how to synthesize it. It was a

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<v Speaker 4>super pure version of methyl alcohol, so pure there was

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<v Speaker 4>actually a little more poisonous. They have this amazing supply

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<v Speaker 4>of really pure methanol that they were able to use.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, right away bootleggers began siphoning it out

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<v Speaker 1>of industrial warehouses and dishing it out on the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>In October nineteen twenty eight, Bellevue Hospital is utter mayhem. Everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>People are vomiting, hallucinating, dying in the emergency room. Gettler

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<v Speaker 1>and Norris are overwhelmed. Over just three days in October,

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<v Speaker 1>they see thirty three deaths from poisoned liquor by Getler's count,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five from wood alcohol, and just in time for

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<v Speaker 1>election day. Now, as Getler examines the dead in his lab,

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<v Speaker 1>you can imagine him listening to Election Night returns.

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<v Speaker 9>November six, nineteen twenty eight, the presidential election between Herbert

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<v Speaker 9>Hoover and Al Smith ends in a landslide.

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<v Speaker 1>A landslide, of course, it was Americans were tired of

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<v Speaker 1>the violence. They were tired of the status quo eight

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<v Speaker 1>years in and Prohibition was massively unpopular. Prohibition was on

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<v Speaker 1>the ballot, and no wonder the election wasn't close. But

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<v Speaker 1>hang on a second, I did pretty well in fifth

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<v Speaker 1>grade history, and I don't ever remember there being a

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<v Speaker 1>president Al Smith, which must mean and.

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<v Speaker 9>Hoover sets a record for electoral votes and.

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<v Speaker 1>Crushes Smith Hoover one. Yeah, he sure did, in a knockout.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, Hoover won on economic promises, but Smith also

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't overcome anti Catholic prejudice and ginned up rumors that

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<v Speaker 1>he was even taking orders from the Vatican and from

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<v Speaker 1>the country's biggest bootleggers. Smith's crushing defeat was a win

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<v Speaker 1>for prohibition and also a win for Hoover San Mabel

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<v Speaker 1>Walker Willebrandt, who saw the victory as voters practically putting

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<v Speaker 1>their stamp of approval on her June raids. Mabel and

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<v Speaker 1>Duran had pulled out all the stops. Al Smith had lost,

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<v Speaker 1>and Prohibition was here to stay and by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>deadlier than ever. On the other side, Charles Norris and

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<v Speaker 1>Alexander Getler didn't have a minute to waste. It was

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<v Speaker 1>time for their big swing to put an end to

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<v Speaker 1>a national emergency at Bellevue Hospital. It's not just the

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<v Speaker 1>bodies that have been stacking up. Alexander gar Hitler's notebooks

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<v Speaker 1>are piled high everywhere, meticulous records of all the data

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<v Speaker 1>he's compiled since the start of Prohibition, documented night after

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<v Speaker 1>painstaking night, and the numbers as nineteen twenty eight winds

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<v Speaker 1>down are disturbing as hell. The body count from drinking

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<v Speaker 1>related deaths in New York City this year alone is

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand. Ten years ago. When they issued their first

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<v Speaker 1>warning on the eve of prohibition, Gettler and Norris knew

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<v Speaker 1>things were going to be bad, but this bad. At

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<v Speaker 1>that nineteen twenty six press conference, the Prohibition Bureau issued

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<v Speaker 1>a reminder to America, drink and you die, and Americans

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<v Speaker 1>more or less responded with cool, so yeah, make it

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<v Speaker 1>a double. The grand irony here is that people are

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<v Speaker 1>drinking now more than ever before. In New York, cases

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<v Speaker 1>of alcoholism had been going down in the years leading

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<v Speaker 1>into prohibition, but since nineteen twenty alcoholism was reaching all

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<v Speaker 1>time highs Insurance companies reported that deaths from alcoholism were

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred percent higher in nineteen twenty eight than in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty. For those addicted to drinking, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous time. Even if they heard government warnings. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>realistic to think that they could just stop drinking cold turkey.

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<v Speaker 1>For the rest of the population, well, the government messaging

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<v Speaker 1>about the dangers of drinking just wasn't making an impact,

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<v Speaker 1>which kind of makes sense. I mean, remember that commercial

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<v Speaker 1>from the eighties, this is your Brain on drugs. We

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<v Speaker 1>all saw that egg frying in the pan, But isn't

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<v Speaker 1>frying your brain kind of the point? And I do

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<v Speaker 1>wonder who across the country, beyond avid readers of the

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<v Speaker 1>New York papers, was actually getting the warnings from the government.

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<v Speaker 1>News certainly didn't travel then the way it does now.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure they had coast to coast radio, but we're still

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<v Speaker 1>a ways off from the days of push notifications. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Norris and Gettler were determined to tell the entire country

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<v Speaker 1>just how fucked up things had gotten. So on a

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<v Speaker 1>fall afternoon, Norris sits down in front of a typewriter

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<v Speaker 1>at his desk alongside his man Gettler, and Gettler's stack

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<v Speaker 1>of notebooks. Through the years, our duo had issued periodic

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<v Speaker 1>messages to the public through medical journals and in press

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<v Speaker 1>conferences for the local New York media, but it wasn't penetrating.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just small potatoes. So, refusing to be ignored,

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<v Speaker 1>Getler and Norris decide they need to step things up.

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<v Speaker 1>As Getler flips through his notes and busts out his data,

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<v Speaker 1>Norris starts typing and begins to paint a picture first

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<v Speaker 1>of what's been going down in their backyard, beginning with

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<v Speaker 1>those horrific three days that had just passed In October.

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<v Speaker 8>Between October sixth and eighth, nineteen twenty eight, twenty five

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<v Speaker 8>men and women died in the city of New York

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<v Speaker 8>from wood alcohol poisoning. There is no doubt as to

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<v Speaker 8>the cause of their death on not statistics, but the

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<v Speaker 8>bare record of a tragedy as shocking and in a

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<v Speaker 8>sense dramatic, as a fearful crash on the subway.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, New York City subways in the nineteen twenties were

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<v Speaker 1>also scary, and this was before the days of pizza

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<v Speaker 1>rat AnyWho.

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<v Speaker 8>In a word, the wood alcohol is not poison liquor,

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<v Speaker 8>It is simply poison.

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<v Speaker 1>And how did the poison get into the liquor well?

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<v Speaker 1>That brings Norris and Getler to the government and their

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<v Speaker 1>official poisoning program. Now Noris acknowledges that alcohol made for

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<v Speaker 1>industrial purposes should be protected and differentiated in some meaningful way. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>you have supplies of alcohol that are supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>used in perfumes and after shaves. It makes sense that

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<v Speaker 1>you'd try to deter people from drinking this stuff. But

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<v Speaker 1>then along came prohibition. Legal liquor disappeared, and the aftershave

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<v Speaker 1>is all that was left. People weren't stealing it to

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<v Speaker 1>drink before this, Suddenly they were, so whose fault is that?

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<v Speaker 8>The difficulty is that no one has devised a practical

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<v Speaker 8>way to make alcohol fit for business and at the

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<v Speaker 8>same time unfit for drinking without making it poisonous.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty unfortunate, right for any American who just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to drink.

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<v Speaker 8>Poison everywhere, and increasing thousands are drinking it. Shall we

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<v Speaker 8>simply shrug our shoulders.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great point, Norris. Thousands of people are dying

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<v Speaker 1>from alcohol poisoned by our own government, and we're just like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's messed up. And what's even more messed

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<v Speaker 1>up is that the government's response to all these people

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<v Speaker 1>dropping dead was, Hey, it's your fault, you drank it

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<v Speaker 1>tough cookies. Needless to say, Norris doesn't see it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>He throws down a challenge for his readers. These deaths,

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<v Speaker 1>these government poisonings, they were caused by prohibition. To him,

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<v Speaker 1>they were the fault of the people who pushed for

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<v Speaker 1>prohibition in the first place, and then they were the

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<v Speaker 1>fault of the people adding poison to alcohol knowing that

0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:10.359
<v Speaker 1>people were going to drink it. Norris and Getler wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to boil it down for readers so people understood just

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<v Speaker 1>how many people around the country were dropping dead from prohibition.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems pretty clear the only sensible path forward is

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<v Speaker 1>to do one of two things, either end the denaturing

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<v Speaker 1>program or end prohibition itself. Things had gotten so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Getler and Norris drew a chilling comparison.

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<v Speaker 8>Our national casualty list for the year from this one

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<v Speaker 8>cause will outstrip the toll of the war. These are

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<v Speaker 8>the first fruits of prohibition in terms of life and death.

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<v Speaker 8>This is the price of the great experiment, which has

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<v Speaker 8>cost the nation already one hundred and seventy eight million

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<v Speaker 8>dollars to enforce. This is the net dividend of Ournknoble

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<v Speaker 8>experiment in extermination.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, Norris slaps a title on this baby, our Essay

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<v Speaker 1>in Extermination. Read between the lines. The title of Norris's

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<v Speaker 1>piece was not our Essay in tragedy. It was our

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<v Speaker 1>essay in extermination. And who are those poor souls subject

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<v Speaker 1>to said extermination from the failed experiment of prohibition?

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<v Speaker 4>Because these Charles Noro sees making the point that we're

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<v Speaker 4>really talking about this going directly to the middle class,

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<v Speaker 4>lower class poor people in this community and by extension,

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<v Speaker 4>the rest of the world, and they're the ones that

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<v Speaker 4>are suffering.

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<v Speaker 1>For the past decade, Norris and Getler have watched the

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<v Speaker 1>city's working class watering holes shudder, only to be replaced

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<v Speaker 1>with back room joints where the liquor was deadly. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of the poisoned liquor that Getler was testing came from

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<v Speaker 1>these dives where bootleggers pushed low grade, albeit affordable alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>The quality of motor oil booze couldn't hold a candle

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<v Speaker 1>to the stuff rich New Yorkers were able to get

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<v Speaker 1>their hands on, or what certain dry politicians were sipping

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<v Speaker 1>on in the Capitol thanks to our man, George Cassidy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was insane that America found itself here. But was

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<v Speaker 1>anything going to change? Was Norris and Gettler's work going

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<v Speaker 1>to make any difference at all? In late nineteen twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>our essay and Extermination first appears in a literary magazine

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<v Speaker 1>called The North American Review. But it's not just the

0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.280
<v Speaker 1>devoted readers of The North American Review who will read

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<v Speaker 1>Norris's words. Nope, this time, Norris and Gettler get the

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<v Speaker 1>attention of the whole country.

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<v Speaker 4>So you have the chief medical examiner of one of

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<v Speaker 4>the most important American cities accusing the federal government of

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<v Speaker 4>a planned program of extermination.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, that was big news. All right, pour it all out,

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<v Speaker 1>Deborah Blum.

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<v Speaker 4>What is the responsibility of a public servant? What is

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<v Speaker 4>the responsibility of the government in the way that it

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<v Speaker 4>represents the people? Our responsibility is to protect people, and

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<v Speaker 4>we are failing. That's one of the points of that essay.

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<v Speaker 4>We're doing the opposite. In fact, we're killing people.

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<v Speaker 1>News of Norris's essays splashed all over the New York papers.

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<v Speaker 10>There's one doubter of the nobility of the experiment. Doctor

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<v Speaker 10>Charles Norris, chief medical Examiner of New York, makes protest

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<v Speaker 10>in the North American Review, calling it a noble experiment

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<v Speaker 10>in suicide by.

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<v Speaker 1>Poison, and the stories land well beyond the Big Apple.

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<v Speaker 1>It was news in Florida.

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<v Speaker 10>New York's chief medical examiner declares that the mortality rate

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<v Speaker 10>from drink, instead of declining with the advance of prohibition,

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<v Speaker 10>is actually gaining.

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<v Speaker 1>To Missouri, Charles Norris writes, at the end of eight

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<v Speaker 1>years without good liquor and increasing proportion of our nation

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<v Speaker 1>is drinking itself to death on bad liquor. To Arizona, Charles.

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<v Speaker 10>Norris says our national casualty list from strong drink.

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<v Speaker 6>Will outstrip World War One with one hundred.

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<v Speaker 10>And twenty six thousand deaths.

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<v Speaker 1>And California doctor Norris attributes a large number of deaths

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<v Speaker 1>in motor accidents, homicides, and accidental deaths from fouls to

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<v Speaker 1>poison liquor.

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<v Speaker 10>Norris says most of these are directly traceable to poison alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>And with that tsunami of media coverage, Norris and Geler

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<v Speaker 1>finally get people to take note. And you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>Americans across the country were up in arms. One priest

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<v Speaker 1>in a working class Chicago parish nailed it when he said, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>they give the good stuff to the sewers and the

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<v Speaker 1>bad stuff to the people. The outrage reached the capital too.

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<v Speaker 1>The wet legislators, long outnumbered by the dries in Congress,

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<v Speaker 1>had been howling against prohibition from the start. And I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to be clear about this, A small group

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<v Speaker 1>in Congress had been directly calling out the government poisoning

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:03.680
<v Speaker 1>practices for a few years now. In the aftermath of

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen twenty six Christmas deaths in New York. Senator

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<v Speaker 1>James Reed of Missouri cried.

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<v Speaker 9>Only when possessing the instincts of a wild beast would

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<v Speaker 9>desire to kill or make blind the man who takes

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<v Speaker 9>a drink of liquor.

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<v Speaker 1>A New Jersey senator went as far as to say

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government was guilty of quote legalized murder for

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<v Speaker 1>adding deadly poisons to the industrial alcohol supply. He even

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<v Speaker 1>introduced a measure on the floor of Congress to look

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<v Speaker 1>into the program, But the Drys had steamrolled those efforts.

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<v Speaker 1>They held their ground, believed in the moral superiority of

0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:40.719
<v Speaker 1>their anti liquor cause, and mocked the wets as drunkards.

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<v Speaker 1>And when it came to denaturing, they lectured their wet

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<v Speaker 1>opponents that alcohol itself was a poison, And, as Senator

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Morris Shepherd from Texas put.

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<v Speaker 7>It, you can't poison poison.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can't fight that logic. But smug quips

0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 1>were losing their traction. Real people were really dying. Morris

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Shepherd might not care. Hardline temperance advocates like James Duran

0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:10.000
<v Speaker 1>might not care. Mabel Walker Willebrandt might not care. Their

0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:12.840
<v Speaker 1>coalition was willing to break a few eggs as long

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:18.160
<v Speaker 1>as America was a dry omelet. Now in nineteen twenty nine,

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.200
<v Speaker 1>the wet lawmakers finally had something solid to fight back

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:25.879
<v Speaker 1>with Norris and Gettler's irrefutable data that the government policies

0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 1>were killing thousands. So the wet legislators took action. They

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.440
<v Speaker 1>whipped up a bill. It demanded that government chemists stop

0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:37.720
<v Speaker 1>using their deadliest poisons. They couldn't reach the hardliners, but

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe they didn't have to. They just had to reach

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<v Speaker 1>the people in the middle, caught between the two sides,

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<v Speaker 1>the people who could understand that no moral code was

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 1>worth poisoning thousands. And with Getler and Norris finally persuading

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Americans to their cause, the bill passed. Prohibition chemists were

0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 1>now required by law to ditch lethal formulas like Formula six.

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:06.640
<v Speaker 1>They were told to go back to inventing concoctions which

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:11.120
<v Speaker 1>were merely revolting without being actually lethal. And I want

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<v Speaker 1>to just pause here and take in what a turning

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 1>point this was for Norris and Ghetler, because yeah, this

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:21.400
<v Speaker 1>was a moment when they finally won. They had been

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<v Speaker 1>beating their heads against the wall from before Prohibition even

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 1>passed that it would be a terrible idea and that

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:33.199
<v Speaker 1>it would kill people. Now the nation was finally starting

0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:37.400
<v Speaker 1>to listen. Norris's essay and Getler's research gave the Wets

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 1>what they needed to win, and it didn't stop with denaturing.

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 1>The outcry over the Prohibition Bureau's actions continued to grow

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.679
<v Speaker 1>in the media and in the halls of Congress. A

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:51.560
<v Speaker 1>tide was beginning to turn across the country. State governments

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 1>were slowly beginning to follow New York's lead in its

0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 1>descent from federal prohibition itself.

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<v Speaker 4>You start to see government's just quick enforcing prohibition at all.

0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:05.639
<v Speaker 4>They're just like, fuck it, Let the federal government do

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 4>it right. We're not doing this. We don't believe it,

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:10.440
<v Speaker 4>we think it's morally wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>State and local law enforcement started to say, look, everyone

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 1>knows this whole prohibition enforcement thing has been a complete charade,

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 1>so why are we even pretending to do it? And

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:25.480
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't just the government. Public opinion was shifting too,

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 1>and the shift was felt all the way to the

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<v Speaker 1>White House, where Herbert Hoover was about to move in.

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<v Speaker 1>In early nineteen twenty nine, Mabel Walker Willebrandt was feeling

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<v Speaker 1>good now that her man Hoover had won the presidency.

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Mabel was sitting pretty I mean, come on, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>she was going to be rewarded for all that shattered

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:52.080
<v Speaker 1>glass in New York and all her fear mongering across

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>the country. Surely she'd be rewarded with a big, fat

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 1>promotion and a nifty new title, the Attorney General of

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 1>the United States.

0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 10>Well, well, well, Attorney General Willebrand has a nice ring

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 10>to it.

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 1>And one night in February nineteen twenty nine, a few

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:14.520
<v Speaker 1>weeks before Hoover's inauguration, Mabel's phone rang. It was the

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>President elect. Hoover told Mabel that Congress was putting together

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 1>a bill that would strip the Prohibition Bureau out of

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.719
<v Speaker 1>the Department of Treasury and move it into Mabel's domain,

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:28.719
<v Speaker 1>the Department of Justice, where Mabel assumed she would be

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 1>given the reins as your new Attorney General.

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 11>I pledged to enforce the law.

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 1>But Hoover had a different message for Mabel.

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to tell you that the new Attorney

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 2>General is a.

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Friend of yours. Hoover had buried the lead. Turns out

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Mabel wasn't going to be the new ag Nope, the

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Solicitor General was leapfrogging her and getting that sweet corner office.

0:29:56.160 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Mabel technically was keeping her job for now, but she

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:02.800
<v Speaker 1>saw the writing on the wall.

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 7>Hoover had no use for her any longer. She was

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 7>kind of an irrelevancy. But by the time prohibition is

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 7>very unpopular, She's got less of the constituency.

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>It was starting to sink in now that prohibition wasn't

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:18.400
<v Speaker 1>useful to Hoover as an issue. He just wasn't going

0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 1>to be very serious about it anymore, even less than

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 1>his predecessor old to Martini Lunch Warren Harding. Mabel was crushed,

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 1>and as she looked back over her time trying desperately

0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 1>to make prohibition work, she could only regret how impossible

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 1>her task had been. If only she'd seen it right

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 1>from the beginning.

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 8>I was a young lawyer, much too young when appointed

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 8>for the responsibilities heaped on me.

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Mabel Walker Willebrandt was free falling off the tightrope she'd

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 1>been walking since the day she arrived in Washington, d C.

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Eight years earlier, so she handed in her resignation to

0:30:56.000 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Herbert Hoover. Mabel's war was over, but there was so

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>much more fallout yet to come. Time to head back

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>out west. Let's check in with Richard Hart, the cowboy

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:26.960
<v Speaker 1>whose gun slinging ways helped turn the public against Mabel's campaign,

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 1>making an unpopular law even more unpopular. You remember where

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 1>we left Richard. He luckily ducked charges for manslaughter, but

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 1>it still tanked his Prohibition Bureau career. But what came

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 1>next was a twist so twisty even his wife and

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 1>kids were caught off guard. First of all, he got

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 1>himself some new assignments with the Office of Indian Affairs

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 1>that got him out of town. They sent him to

0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 1>reservations even further west. He was still hanging onto those

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 1>old wild West and live out his cowboy dreams. The

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Bureau of Indian Affairs was kind of known for that.

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 11>This moment here at the turn of the twentieth century,

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 11>where Native people's are largely confined to the reservations.

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 1>That's historian Akeem Reinhardt.

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 11>Which gives the United States federal government and its agents,

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 11>whether they're military agents through the Office of Indian Affairs.

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 8>Trying this amount of power.

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 11>They strive to be autocrats and kind of tinpot dictators

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 11>of these reservations.

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Richard probably thought this was the place he could really

0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 1>keep up his costume drama like he had an even

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 1>more free hand to dole out cowboy justice. Once again,

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 1>he drew his gun during an arrest, and when the

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:45.480
<v Speaker 1>man resisted, Richard shot him. This time there was no

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 1>ducking the charges. Heart was indicted for manslaughter. He was

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 1>acquitted at trial. But this was finally enough. Even in

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 1>the most circusy of bureaucratic circuses, Richard couldn't stop getting

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 1>in trouble with the ring masters violent for the wannabe cowboys,

0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 1>so he was fired from his federal post. So eventually

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 1>he was back in Homer without a steady job. It

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 1>was tough on him and on his wife Kathleen, and

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 1>on the boys they were raising. But despite losing his jobs,

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 1>according to great grandson Corey Hart, Richard was starting to

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 1>flaunt some new money around town.

0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 3>My grandfather remembers living in the smallest shack down by

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 3>the river in Homer and then suddenly moving into one

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 3>of the nicest holmes in Homer. He remembers his father

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 3>coming back with no kidding, one hundred dollars bills and

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 3>a nice new suit and the life really changed.

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 1>And as Richard's grandson Jeff says, one night, when he

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 1>was all liquored up, the two gun braggadocio finally caught

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 1>up with him.

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:53.400
<v Speaker 12>It was in a bar, I think in the lower

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 12>fourth Street in Sioux City.

0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 1>He starts bragging about a new family business he's a

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 1>part of. It's conspicuously lucrative and maybe a little shady.

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 1>We'll come back to that in a minute.

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Richard started to drink more in the later years and

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:12.720
<v Speaker 3>bragging about the work that he's doing for his family

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:16.319
<v Speaker 3>now at the bartender. In addition to some patrons at

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 3>the bar were kind of old enemies, criminals that Richard

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 3>hurt used to terrorize back in the day. Soon as

0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 3>they found out who he was, the bartender took some

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 3>brass knuckles and the other two patrons held him down

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 3>and they just beat the crap out of him to

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 3>I guess put it now so nicely.

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:45.479
<v Speaker 1>Brass knuckles that can do some damage.

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:48.759
<v Speaker 3>Now, Richard had two of his friends with him, but

0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 3>all they could do was just stamp back and let

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 3>it happens some friends.

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Once the beating was over, Richard was bundled off to

0:34:58.880 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 1>the hospital.

0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 12>It was so severe that he was in the hospital

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:09.399
<v Speaker 12>and his family didn't know where he was. Nobody could

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:11.960
<v Speaker 12>find him for like a few days.

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.399
<v Speaker 1>Eventually the hospital staff got to lead on.

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 3>Him, so they came and informed my grandfather and Kathleen

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:24.360
<v Speaker 3>and went to the hospital. And the beating that he

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:26.759
<v Speaker 3>had taken to his eye was so severe that his

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:29.360
<v Speaker 3>eye was gone. So he lost sight in that eye

0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 3>and learned a lesson.

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 1>That lesson sometimes you just got to keep that old

0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:35.240
<v Speaker 1>trap shut.

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 3>It was a tough lesson to learn.

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.439
<v Speaker 12>That would have been the time to where Kathleen started

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 12>to ask more questions. I think she was suspecting things.

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Kathleen was probably wondering about all that new dough that

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Richard was showing off.

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 3>There were many long discussions between Richard and Kathleen in

0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 3>the evening. Couldn't hear about what, but they happened very frequently,

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:08.840
<v Speaker 3>and they were very emotional as well. Knowing what we

0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 3>know now, what happened in the thirties was probably Richard

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:16.280
<v Speaker 3>went back to his brothers and said, I am flat broke.

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 3>I've got four boys that I can't maintain a living,

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 3>and he's lost all his pride.

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:26.759
<v Speaker 1>Turns out Richard had a bit of a safety net

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:30.800
<v Speaker 1>his brothers, something he'd never let on to anyone in Homer.

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 1>You see, while Richard Hart was strutting his stuff under

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>a ten gallon stetson, his real identity was hidden. The

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 1>truth is that Richard two gun Heart was an Italian immigrant.

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:47.319
<v Speaker 1>His real first name was Vincenzo, and his last name

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't Heart, it was the last name you've definitely

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 1>heard see Richard slash. Vincenzo's baby brother, Alphonse was the

0:36:57.160 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>one who really did something with a family name. You

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:06.719
<v Speaker 1>know him as al Capone. Hold on a second, al

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Capone's brother was a prohibition agent. Yeah, it's all as

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 1>crazy as it sounds, folks. Once Richard, for simplicity's sake,

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 1>let's just keep calling him Richard and not Richard Vincenzo

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 1>two gun hert Capone. Anyway, Once Richard was off the

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:27.640
<v Speaker 1>government payroll, he reached out for help to Chicago, and

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 1>his brother answered the call. Richard left Uncle Sam behind

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:36.399
<v Speaker 1>and moved on to the Capone family ledger and from

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>a shack to the nicest house in town. And what

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 1>we do know is that his wife, Kathleen wasn't the

0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:46.960
<v Speaker 1>only one asking questions. There were others cottoning on to

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Richard's hidden copone identity, not to mention the clean new

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:54.240
<v Speaker 1>seersucker three piece suit that came with it. And here's

0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 1>where the story might start to sound familiar. When the

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 1>government finally went after the Capons, they used the Mabel strategy,

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:06.799
<v Speaker 1>taking down bootleggers by way of tax evasion. Mabel may

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 1>have been gone for years by now, but the prosecutors

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 1>who followed in her footsteps, well, they kept using her methods.

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 1>They knew where the evidence was in the bookkeeping, and

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the Capone family bookkeeper wasn't ol Nope, the family bookkeeper

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:22.920
<v Speaker 1>was his brother Ralph.

0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:27.920
<v Speaker 3>The federal court in Chicago where they were trying to

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:32.200
<v Speaker 3>drill down on Ralph his assets and trying to figure

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:34.560
<v Speaker 3>out what they could take from him. So everything was

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.480
<v Speaker 3>about drilling down on all the Capellan brothers. The way

0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 3>that you can get the organized crime was to basically

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:43.240
<v Speaker 3>look at money launtering money laundering.

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:46.399
<v Speaker 1>Take the dirty money from a criminal enterprise and put

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 1>it through the spin cycle of a legitimate business with

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 1>a little fabric softener in some tied fresh scent, and

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:54.760
<v Speaker 1>boom on the other side, you've got a clean profit

0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 1>from a small business that you can safely tuck into

0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 1>a bank account. If you listen to the last season

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:03.600
<v Speaker 1>of Snafu, and if you didn't, you really should, you

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 1>would know that a certain j at Gar Hoover, later

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 1>known for his massive illegal surveillance programs, made a name

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 1>for himself with cases like these. The Capone money laundering

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:16.720
<v Speaker 1>may have eluded most cops, especially if they were paid

0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:19.800
<v Speaker 1>to look the other way, but Hoover's g men sniffed

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 1>it out, and when it came time to go to trial,

0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:27.879
<v Speaker 1>they decided to make it a spectacle.

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:33.879
<v Speaker 3>It was the first live televice hearings of any kind

0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 3>of gang activity. Talk about ratings.

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Right, once Ralph Capone was on the stand getting squeezed,

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:45.880
<v Speaker 1>he let slip that there was a secret Copone brother

0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 1>out back pinning those crisply washed bills in the sun

0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:52.839
<v Speaker 1>to dry. Yep, that's right. Even from all the way

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:55.760
<v Speaker 1>out in Homer, Richard was part of his mob family's

0:39:55.840 --> 0:40:00.120
<v Speaker 1>money laundering operation. And so Richard was pulled out out

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:03.400
<v Speaker 1>of Nebraska and paraded in front of the press in Chicago.

0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 3>This guy can testify and they find out that this

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:11.880
<v Speaker 3>is actually also Richard Tugenhart, a former prohibition agent.

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it turns up secret brother of Capons. Federal agents

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 2>investigating with ax paid by Ralph Bottles Capone today turned

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 2>up a lost brother whose identity had been kept closely

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:23.120
<v Speaker 2>guarded underworld secret.

0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 3>Everybody's like, wow, this is incredible that the Richard tiugun

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 3>Heart's a law man is actually the long lost brother

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:31.920
<v Speaker 3>of Al Capone. Long lost brother. Into terms of.

0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:36.399
<v Speaker 9>The media testimony by lost Capone, he peered through thick

0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:39.439
<v Speaker 9>glasses and carried a white cane. He was led into

0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:42.360
<v Speaker 9>the US courthouse on the arm of his wife, a demure,

0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:45.319
<v Speaker 9>middle aged woman who never could be mistaken for a

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:50.160
<v Speaker 9>gun mall which he was asked for comment. Kathleen didn't

0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:53.440
<v Speaker 9>give up much. All she said was, well, he's not

0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:56.600
<v Speaker 9>a bad man if you think about it. I bet

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:59.239
<v Speaker 9>none of the Capones thought they were bad guys, just

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:02.600
<v Speaker 9>the misunderstood protagonists of their own superhero stories.

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, this was Richard's final chance to prove that, at

0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:09.799
<v Speaker 1>least in his case, that might be true. Was he

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.479
<v Speaker 1>really a fighter for the law or would he throw

0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:17.560
<v Speaker 1>in his lot with the family. Richard answered those questions

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:19.280
<v Speaker 1>quite clearly.

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:21.719
<v Speaker 3>The last year before he died, sticking up for Ralph

0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 3>and a grand jury testimony in Chicago.

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:29.160
<v Speaker 1>In the end, when the law came at him, Richard

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:33.480
<v Speaker 1>stood shoulder to shoulder with Ralph and Alphonse. He was

0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 1>given a chance, won final chance, to make his brothers

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:38.839
<v Speaker 1>face the music and tell the truth about the inner

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:44.399
<v Speaker 1>workings of their criminal enterprise, and he refused. He lied

0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:47.880
<v Speaker 1>on the stand like they had so many times before.

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Richard's lies paid off. Ralph Capone's case didn't go to trial.

0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:59.760
<v Speaker 1>The story of Richard Hart, just like the twisted stories

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 1>of Abel Walker, will Lebrandt and Formula six, show us

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:07.440
<v Speaker 1>just how far off the rails things had gotten during Prohibition.

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:10.280
<v Speaker 1>But as we come to the final chapter of our story,

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:16.040
<v Speaker 1>there's still a huge lingering question. Would anyone actually be

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 1>held responsible for the massive failures and fiascos of Prohibition enforcement?

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Richard Hart certainly wasn't, But what about the boss of

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the Prohibition Bureau, the guy who had overseen the IRS

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:54.960
<v Speaker 1>poisoning program, James Duran. That's next time on Snaffoo. Snafu

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<v Speaker 1>Electric Picture Company in association with Gilded Audio. It's executive

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<v Speaker 1>produced by me Ed Helms, Milan Papelka, Mike Falbo, Whitney

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<v Speaker 1>Donaldson and Dylan Fagan. Our lead producers are Carl Nellis

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<v Speaker 1>and Alyssa Martino. Additional production from Stephen Wood, Olivia Canny

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<v Speaker 1>and Kelsey Albright. Tory Smith is our associate producer. Our

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<v Speaker 1>story editor is nicky Stein. Our production assistants are Nevin

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<v Speaker 1>Callapoly and a Keimedy Ekpo fact checking by Charles Richter.

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<v Speaker 1>Our creative executive is Brett Harris. Editing music and sound

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<v Speaker 1>design by Ben chug Engineering and technical direction by Nick

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<v Speaker 1>Dooley Andrew Chug Is Gilded Audio's creative director. Theme music

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<v Speaker 1>by Dan Rosatto. The role of Mabel Walker will Brandt

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<v Speaker 1>was played by Carrie Bische. Special thanks to Alison Cohen,

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Welsh and Ben Rizak GPT