WEBVTT - Miss Aubrey O’Day Part 1 

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<v Speaker 1>Misspelling with Tori Spelling and iHeartRadio Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>How have we known each other?

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely by NB Like when we did NBC Upfronts, we

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<v Speaker 1>were together because they did me, you, Russell Simmons, and

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<v Speaker 1>Paris's show all together. They launched us for as like

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<v Speaker 1>the Big what was the network? We were all oxygen,

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Oxygen, like like power House Group. They launched

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<v Speaker 1>us all at the same time to save that network and.

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<v Speaker 3>That we're going to do it rich a girl, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a crime network.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 3>We we killed it but for and.

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<v Speaker 4>We saved that net. We made that network. I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like we did.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like we did.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like they too all crime, all crime. Every

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<v Speaker 1>time I hear it was it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like women empowerment.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, we don't even get reruns because we're you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, I did see my Sewan Apple TV, So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess they sold our shows to somebody. Yep, great,

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<v Speaker 1>and tell my agent that I know, did you get

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<v Speaker 1>back into on yours?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh good, look good.

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<v Speaker 4>But if I don't tell people like oh so, it'll

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<v Speaker 4>be like one of my shows it was like on

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<v Speaker 4>Hulu and someone told me about it and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>didn't know it was on there called.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they was just sitting in an account.

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<v Speaker 2>Hundred twenty dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>That's insane.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, that's how I.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel about my music. I'm like, well, oday, somebody's going

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<v Speaker 1>to tell me where it all is.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you find that?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, everybody makes it sound so complicated. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's on purpose. So right brain thinkers aren't normally like

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<v Speaker 1>especially like highly gifted artists aren't necessarily left brain thinkers.

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<v Speaker 1>To have both qualities equal out is rare, and so

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<v Speaker 1>so many people just get into it, and the excitement

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<v Speaker 1>of being able to create and being able to make

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<v Speaker 1>art is so overwhelming that you're not checking on where

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<v Speaker 1>your money is and what's your percentage on this and

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<v Speaker 1>who's collecting and there's so many middlemen back in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we were discussing this earlier on this morning a

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<v Speaker 1>group of my friends about like old industry versus new

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<v Speaker 1>industry and how different it is and the adjustments that

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<v Speaker 1>it takes are so.

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<v Speaker 3>For people like us. I mean, I think probably a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>After me is where the cutoff of celebrities stop me

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<v Speaker 1>as in like Danity, Kane Era and after too, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's like right around where it's this cutoff occurred and

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<v Speaker 1>now it's Tiktoker's YouTubers and the lot and there are

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<v Speaker 1>many that get millions of viewers, and so there's they're

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily looked at for network shows that bring people back, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not necessarily seen as you can't go over to

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<v Speaker 1>those network shows and say, hey, get this TikToker.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe one or.

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<v Speaker 1>Two have been able to transition, but from what I

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<v Speaker 1>understand from most of my agent friends, it's just they

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<v Speaker 1>can do really well on this platform, but when we

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<v Speaker 1>try to give them a cooking show or something else,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't do well on the other platforms. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>translate everywhere. But you know, a celebrity and old school celebrity.

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<v Speaker 1>Before there were no gatekeepers and everything was just widespread,

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<v Speaker 1>and who are the gatekeepers? The gatekeepers are like the

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<v Speaker 1>people that you had to prove yourself to in order

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<v Speaker 1>to get through to be seen by the people. They

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<v Speaker 1>can actually move and shake. In my industry, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times it was like known that if even if

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<v Speaker 1>they were talented, frankly, the girls would sleep with certain

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<v Speaker 1>people in order to get in certain rooms. But this

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<v Speaker 1>idea of gatekeepers very much was like, that's where it was.

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<v Speaker 2>No one ever asked me to sleep with them anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you also, you grew up in something.

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<v Speaker 1>You grew up in a family that's so iconic that

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<v Speaker 1>if they did, there probably would have been severe consequences

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<v Speaker 1>for them, potentially.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, I just thought, I was like, why not me?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, they wanted you. Everybody wanted you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the way, you don't want to be wanted.

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<v Speaker 3>By those people. No, no, I know it's I wouldn't fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone would want to fuck with you

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<v Speaker 1>in a way where it would get back to somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who's powerful in the industry. I don't know a ton.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously I know about your life. I was

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<v Speaker 1>a huge nineo two and zo I was telling you

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<v Speaker 1>the other.

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<v Speaker 3>Day, I had a f Yeah you have a story,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I didn't actually, because I was such an

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<v Speaker 1>artist and I was so into creating for most of

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<v Speaker 1>my childhood, I didn't really hang out.

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<v Speaker 3>With the popular kids.

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<v Speaker 1>I was on dance team and a cheerleader and those things,

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<v Speaker 1>because they were talent based activities that you auditioned for.

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<v Speaker 3>But I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't cool or the pretty girl or popular or

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<v Speaker 1>any of that. I mean, I struggled to like not

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<v Speaker 1>get beat up and get through the day.

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<v Speaker 4>So like, which I'm sure is surprising for people to

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<v Speaker 4>hear that. Maybe is that your perception or is that

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<v Speaker 4>how it really was?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, because I grew up in it, that's all I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the perception of me is very different, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's a perception. The first perception that was given to

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<v Speaker 1>the world was kind of through Ditty's eyes or the

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<v Speaker 1>eyes of the editors in the MTV editing base.

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<v Speaker 3>But but who I was?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, man, I just came and was creative and

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<v Speaker 1>whatever I did, and then how I was interpreted was

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<v Speaker 1>what it was but or what it needed to be.

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<v Speaker 3>But in all of that, like, wait, where were we

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<v Speaker 3>on with this?

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to Oh, Okay, So when I grew up,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really like because I wasn't popular. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go and date the boys or hook up with people

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<v Speaker 1>or do anything. I didn't hook up with anyone. I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't like, I didn't care about boys. But you start

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<v Speaker 1>feeling it as you get into like maybe I was

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<v Speaker 1>probably later than everyone else because I had skip grades etc.

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<v Speaker 1>But I started having those feelings of like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>liking a boy or whatever, but I never knew how

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<v Speaker 1>to act on it or how to do anything. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I kind of resonated with you the most as

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<v Speaker 1>a child watching the show because you were this good

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<v Speaker 1>girl on the show and you weren't gonna be out

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<v Speaker 1>there in the streets.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Brenda or Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>But you fell in love with the one guy, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was this boy that kind of looked like Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Austin Green and like he was like the boy that

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<v Speaker 1>I always liked during that time. And then when you

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<v Speaker 1>and I swear, I want to hug you right now, bitch,

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<v Speaker 1>because when you got cheated on when they played Babyface

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<v Speaker 1>and that fucking limo during that concert when he was

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<v Speaker 1>dating the burnette girl with the curly hair.

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<v Speaker 3>I will never forgive her.

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<v Speaker 1>If I catch her in this, it's gonna be fists

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<v Speaker 1>up and on this.

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw her recently at a convention.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was literally I remember like watching that with the

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<v Speaker 1>TV this far away from me, with tears running down

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<v Speaker 1>my eyes, feeling like I've just lost the Like all

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<v Speaker 1>of this time I spent with you, be doing the

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<v Speaker 1>right thing, loving the right guy ringing like and then

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<v Speaker 1>it just flips when a little who she comes by

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<v Speaker 1>at the concert and Babyface.

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<v Speaker 3>So now late years later, I was like.

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<v Speaker 1>Recording in Babyface's studio and I went in and I

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<v Speaker 1>told him like, you're, you know, iconic, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>how much I loved him, And I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was like, I have to be real.

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<v Speaker 1>The first time I actually really was put onto you

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<v Speaker 1>was through nine o two one, and my first thought

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<v Speaker 1>whenever I even heard I was coming to your studio

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<v Speaker 1>to record or meeting you, was you were the song

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<v Speaker 1>that took out Donna Martin.

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<v Speaker 3>When when Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>Hooked up with that fucking burnette with the curly hair

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<v Speaker 1>and the Limo Ariel Ariel, that little fucking skeezy ass

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<v Speaker 1>ho I put in my behavor. Yeah, I was fucked

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<v Speaker 1>up over it for a long time time. But anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah that was my little funny.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then every time I see say was he like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if he remembered. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if he remembered. I try, I can't I know how

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<v Speaker 1>to like, he's such.

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<v Speaker 3>An icon, I keep it at a minimum.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you do you see the videos recently where like

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<v Speaker 1>two girls like We're talking to him at the Grammys,

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<v Speaker 1>and then like moved him aside to get to somebody else,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone was like, these girls need to be fired immediately,

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<v Speaker 1>which I agree, Like I even though I have a

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<v Speaker 1>cheesy story to tell Babyface, I kept it at a

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<v Speaker 1>minimum out of respect for who he is. But that

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<v Speaker 1>is actually like the first time that I when will

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<v Speaker 1>I See You Again? Was the song that he was

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<v Speaker 1>singing and Brian was in the limo, and anytime I

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<v Speaker 1>get into a black limo, like I've always been nervous

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<v Speaker 1>when a curly hair burnette gets around any man that

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<v Speaker 1>I love, because you just don't know which it was so.

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<v Speaker 2>In what is happening right now?

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<v Speaker 3>It was impactful.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was we don't have these things anymore

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<v Speaker 1>in our culture. My goddaughter does not have a show

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<v Speaker 1>that she watches religiously on a standard network that everybody

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<v Speaker 1>turns on at night.

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<v Speaker 2>That it's not appointment TV anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>It isn't it's whim and watch on your phone quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>or watch while you're on your phone, because we need

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<v Speaker 1>constant distraction.

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<v Speaker 4>Right Well, it's affected me too, like I become like

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<v Speaker 4>that and my friend to think.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that, I can't get through movies lately, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is wrong with me? If it's a documentary, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but an actual movie, I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just so we're being conditioned to adapt with the times,

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<v Speaker 4>and it sucks. Aubrey's dog's here right now and he's eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>He's yeah, he's an old Papa's old obi.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's interesting, like you're saying this to me, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm thinking, like, you know me well and you know

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<v Speaker 4>like I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I never think anybody knows so I am, or like

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<v Speaker 4>so I am or what I It's hard for me

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<v Speaker 4>to recognize an impact I've had.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not you stay very humble.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not very cocky, which I that's probably the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing about you that I would like amp up in you,

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<v Speaker 1>is that that uh.

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<v Speaker 3>No fucks category.

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<v Speaker 1>I would amp it up a little bit more for

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<v Speaker 1>you because you are so iconic, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that there's any I don't believe that staying humble is

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<v Speaker 1>where somebody who's incredibly talented, who has offered their talent

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<v Speaker 1>to the world and impacted generations of people.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe that they need to go and you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, still self deprecate to the women and whatever in

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<v Speaker 1>order for people to you know, see them as iconic.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you can walk in bold and say, these

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<v Speaker 1>are all the things that I've done. Now, let me

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<v Speaker 1>tell you where I'm going and what I'm expecting to

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<v Speaker 1>do with this room today.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have that switch though, I don't have what's

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<v Speaker 2>your sign? Taurus?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god, I don't know enough about toros? Are you Aquarius?

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<v Speaker 1>So we very we very much are like we we

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<v Speaker 1>say a lot of the things that most people don't say.

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<v Speaker 3>We're known to be those type of people. Were also

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<v Speaker 3>like very like highly philanthropic.

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<v Speaker 1>We give, We're very aware and active in regards to causes,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we stay informed. Usually so when I walk

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<v Speaker 1>in places like if we're not speaking the same language

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<v Speaker 1>and I need something to get done, I'm just very

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<v Speaker 1>blunt about what needs to occur, whereas you don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>do that. When I've seen you and been with you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wonder, I don't know exactly how you're growing

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<v Speaker 1>up was so it probably is some type of conditioning

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<v Speaker 1>that happened with your mom and dad.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, correct, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't even know if it was so much

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<v Speaker 4>from them, just what I perceived from an early age,

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<v Speaker 4>like being aware at even five, like, oh, I'm a

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<v Speaker 4>representation of my dad. My dad is famous, and no

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<v Speaker 4>one sat me down, no one told me it was

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<v Speaker 4>like when we go out, I just was quickly tuned

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<v Speaker 4>into this is probably who I need to be. And

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<v Speaker 4>from that moment on, I watched myself to everybody else's eyes,

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<v Speaker 4>and I've never watched myself through my eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to know another human being that said

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<v Speaker 1>the exact same thing to me, almost verbatim. Don Junior Really,

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<v Speaker 1>same thing, same life, same understanding of never really being

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<v Speaker 1>able to find his own identity because the pressure of

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<v Speaker 1>being born into a last name is something that you

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<v Speaker 1>never really get over it. I think you can. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why I was trying to bring him down the path

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<v Speaker 1>of glory in my opinion, but it didn't work obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if you can. But I understand

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<v Speaker 1>that to degrees that without you even having to get

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<v Speaker 1>into it, I understand what.

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<v Speaker 3>You just said very deeply.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a life that nobody will really understand unless

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<v Speaker 1>you've gone in depth and loved somebody that's gone through

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<v Speaker 1>that or you are a person that's gone through that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very it's very strange to be born into an

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<v Speaker 1>identity that you had no control. It's very som learned

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<v Speaker 1>therapy and trauma therapy to somebody who gets assaulted at

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<v Speaker 1>a young age or has abuse occurring at a young

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<v Speaker 1>age because they didn't know any better, they didn't ask

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<v Speaker 1>for it. It wasn't a choice that they made, and

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<v Speaker 1>they had to then after that see themselves through the

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<v Speaker 1>eyes of it for the rest of time.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's not really fair, is it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not what everyone's experience is with life, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they kind of live a life that where they're a

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<v Speaker 1>bit removed from every room that they're in because just

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<v Speaker 1>nobody truly understands what that feels like except others that

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<v Speaker 1>have been in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, my therapist called it on some level and annihilation.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the soul.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with that, definitely, an annihilation of the soul.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you don't correct it, it can get very extreme.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, drugs are incredible at helping things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think all of us celebrities like no, at least

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking old school celebrity. I don't know what the

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<v Speaker 1>young kids. Everybody's doing pink cocaine. Now I did it

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<v Speaker 1>when it was white, but I yeah, there's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like pink colored cocaine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's called something. Do you go. You guys are young?

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<v Speaker 3>What is the pink cocaine?

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<v Speaker 2>Guys are young?

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<v Speaker 1>It's called something. But like, yeah, all the kids do

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<v Speaker 1>pink cocaine. I'm like, I don't want my cocaine pink.

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<v Speaker 1>The fuck is I would be scared to die.

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<v Speaker 3>But too sy Trey talks about it in music called

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<v Speaker 3>to Sy to Sy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so you'll hear rappers talking about the Two Sea,

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<v Speaker 1>got the girls fucked up in the club on the

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<v Speaker 1>Two Sea, Like the fuck, I'm too old for that shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand it. And if I saw pink cocaine,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't. I would think we were doing a baking

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<v Speaker 1>recipe or something.

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<v Speaker 3>I would not. I would not. I would not think

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<v Speaker 3>to snort it.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what I'm saying, is like back in that time,

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed when trauma, when the trauma starts sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>and you're at you know, fame goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Up and down.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're lucky, you get a lot of if you're

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<v Speaker 1>lucky to stay. I mean I came in at like

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<v Speaker 1>I think around seventeen, and I'm forty one now and

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<v Speaker 1>I've not had a real job yet, so like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still in entertainment.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's there's spend time.

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<v Speaker 1>Around job god, real job, real life, real personality or care.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, everything I do is from my authentic self.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's why I think you do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I create everything I do, So I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I'm not I'm not able to move as high

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<v Speaker 1>up as I would like a lot of the times.

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<v Speaker 1>And why I've been around a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 1>are very high up. I see what they're willing to

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<v Speaker 1>compromise in order to get there, and I just can't.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I show up to things, if it gets

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<v Speaker 1>to a degree that is annoying at this point, just annoying,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the word. But back in the day, it was

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<v Speaker 1>like bending my integrity. I'm gonna have to say something.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you say something is when they ask you

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<v Speaker 1>to go home and you're no longer there anymore. So

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<v Speaker 1>anything that you've ever seen me on where I got

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<v Speaker 1>taken out early and it was clear that I should

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<v Speaker 1>have been there a lot longer, That's what really occurred.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, everyone obviously knows making up the band, and that.

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<v Speaker 3>Was one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when I can talk of There's a few others

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<v Speaker 1>I'm contractually still under, but so.

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<v Speaker 2>That one you can talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about anything as much as I can. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>some contracts are lower than others. But yeah, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>like i've I saw a lot of integrity lines just

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<v Speaker 1>operating lower.

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<v Speaker 3>And no judgment to those people.

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<v Speaker 1>They're doing a lot better, their bank accounts are bigger,

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<v Speaker 1>they run the world. All the girlies want to be them,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know what they were doing to get to

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<v Speaker 1>where they got and there's just absolutely no way that

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<v Speaker 1>I could have done any of that. And I knew

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<v Speaker 1>it very early on. I really tried to become besties.

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<v Speaker 3>With all of the it girls to see what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>And every time I became besties with every single one

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<v Speaker 1>of them, I realized, and after you know, multiple period

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<v Speaker 1>of months or years or time, there's nothing really unique

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<v Speaker 1>and special here. This is just a very big organization

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<v Speaker 1>and it's all very worked through and there are.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's almost like it's what our old manager, Johnny Wright,

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<v Speaker 1>when we first got on making the band he said

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<v Speaker 1>to me. At one point, when you know, there was

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<v Speaker 1>turmoils that were starting to occur. We went out to

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<v Speaker 1>dinner and he said, you know, you're the leader of

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<v Speaker 1>this group.

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<v Speaker 3>You're the star.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, no, we're all we all sing equal,

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<v Speaker 1>We're all equal in this group. None of us would

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<v Speaker 1>ever we sing equally, We danced weekly, we.

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<v Speaker 3>Do everything equally.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was like, yeah, that's cute and all, but

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<v Speaker 1>the audience has decided, the world decided you were the star.

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<v Speaker 1>And because of that, you now have this responsibility to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that this group stays together. And I want

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you one important thing for you to always

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<v Speaker 1>remember in that position. The manager, the agent, the head

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<v Speaker 1>of the label, your directors at the labels, your A

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<v Speaker 1>and R, all the way down to your lawyers, agents, managers,

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<v Speaker 1>even your fucking CPAs.

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<v Speaker 3>We will all be here for the.

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<v Speaker 1>Next sixteen to sixty girl groups that come after you.

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<v Speaker 1>We will still be here with what comes after you

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<v Speaker 1>and what we make after you. You are the most

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<v Speaker 1>disposable and at the time it felt so.

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<v Speaker 2>Real and the unquote leader, no, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Artist, the person making the creations that the whole world

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<v Speaker 1>falls in love with, is the most disposable piece. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what none of us understand. When we get in

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<v Speaker 1>and the first time that we're disposed of, it breaks

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<v Speaker 1>our fucking heart, and it breaks our heart so badly,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes the pain hurts so much that you need

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<v Speaker 1>to go to a doctor and talk to someone or

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<v Speaker 1>be seen. A lot of times, especially back then, they

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<v Speaker 1>were throwing pills around like crazy. That's why you have

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<v Speaker 1>so many people and a little bit older and my

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<v Speaker 1>generation all are taking pills a little bit younger on

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<v Speaker 1>and off. Got some got into it, some didn't. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess the new kids are doing toucy or nothing. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what they're doing. They'll have to speak for themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a lot of hurt in this industry because,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, the trauma comes in and it comes out,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're disposed of when necessary, you're brought back when necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>We are literally like marbles that people toss around, and

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<v Speaker 1>to us, we are so serious about the products that

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<v Speaker 1>we make and the work that we do. If you

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<v Speaker 1>really are a real artist, you go home and you

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<v Speaker 1>can't detach from your art. You think about it all

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<v Speaker 1>night till you go to sleep, until you start becoming

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<v Speaker 1>an insomniac and you can't fucking sleep anymore because you

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<v Speaker 1>have so many thoughts. So then you have to go

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<v Speaker 1>visit somebody and get something to take so you can

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<v Speaker 1>so you could show up to work to do your

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<v Speaker 1>job the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>It all is, how do you very?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm that sleep is still a very very hard thing

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<v Speaker 1>for me. I mean, I thought that I moved to

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<v Speaker 1>Bali because I was put on ambient at a very

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<v Speaker 1>young age.

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<v Speaker 3>By somebody else's doctors. That is a horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Drug, and I did not know in long term periods

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<v Speaker 1>of taking it that it causes depression and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of like fits of crying and things like that. As

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<v Speaker 1>I started to look up symptomatics of long term use,

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<v Speaker 1>there was like a year where I cried so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I like, I'd be better off telling you

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<v Speaker 1>the days that I didn't cry than that I did.

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<v Speaker 1>It just got to be and the feeling that you

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<v Speaker 1>get when you take it. I compare it only because

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<v Speaker 1>I've never really gotten into like hard drugs. But when

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<v Speaker 1>I watch people on Intervention and they like shoot heroin

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<v Speaker 1>and they go and they fall back, I'm like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what ambien does. All that that weight that's

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<v Speaker 1>on my chest.

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<v Speaker 2>And major drugs, but like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That one is that one's and no other thing that

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<v Speaker 1>they've given me for sleep does that except.

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<v Speaker 2>Dancause it knocks you out.

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<v Speaker 3>It knocks you out, but it gets you high first

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<v Speaker 3>and then long term.

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<v Speaker 2>Used to get you high. I just eat.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the high period when you concot the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>in your fridge. Yeah, I mean I'd wake up the

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<v Speaker 1>next morning with like ramen noodles and ketchup and a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of things in a bowl, like what in the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck happened last night?

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<v Speaker 4>It used to be kind of fun for me till

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't fun where I'd be like, oh, piecing the

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<v Speaker 4>night together?

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<v Speaker 3>By what I Yes, piecing the night together is a

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<v Speaker 3>big one with me.

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<v Speaker 4>I came up in the moment what I thought was

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<v Speaker 4>the best recipes ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I think I did too.

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<v Speaker 2>But then when you wake up an cookbook.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point, I wrote an entire book on ambien

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<v Speaker 1>in the shower and I couldn't remember.

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<v Speaker 3>It to this day. And I'm so pissed because it

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<v Speaker 3>was a winner. Yeah yeah, really it was a winner.

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<v Speaker 4>But what it does is it's horrible you lose that

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<v Speaker 4>knowing how to almost going back to childhood, settling and

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<v Speaker 4>putting yourself to sleep, which is a really important key thing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like a child just you need a blanket, that

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<v Speaker 4>downtime winding down your brain to shut down, and it

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<v Speaker 4>eliminates that because it just gets you from A to

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<v Speaker 4>B super quick knock out.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, when you're in certain levels of sleep, it's correcting

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<v Speaker 1>your body. It's fixing your cells. It's it's it's like

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<v Speaker 1>do It's like when you go to bed and you're

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<v Speaker 1>in real sleep and you're in a stage five or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>a deep sleep. Your body's in there working away correcting itself,

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<v Speaker 1>fixing the cells that are abnormal. Like it's it's putting

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<v Speaker 1>itself back together so that you can then wake up

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<v Speaker 1>and knock your adrenal glens out the whole fucking day

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<v Speaker 1>with great stress. So it's like when you're not getting that,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's probably where the long term depression kicks

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<v Speaker 1>in with that drug, because if you're never correcting it,

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<v Speaker 1>then you're really always working in a state of what

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<v Speaker 1>had a therapist one.

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<v Speaker 3>Time that said something to me that was so real.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, your entire personality is a trauma response based personality,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I started thinking about all these wonderful things

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<v Speaker 1>I know about myself to be true, but they all

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<v Speaker 1>arose through a trauma based situation. I'm just very when

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<v Speaker 1>I would go in and people would ask what my

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<v Speaker 1>strengths are in any given situation, It's just like, if

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<v Speaker 1>we have no budget, I can make it look like

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<v Speaker 1>we did and I would impress the most impressive people.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's problems, I don't really run around and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about them with everyone. I just am like, I'm solution oriented.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the solution. I'm really good at self deprecating

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<v Speaker 1>and maneuvering different types of personalities and doing what I

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<v Speaker 1>need to do and never to hurt anyone. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good at positive manipulation. I got good at it

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<v Speaker 1>and Danity Kane because there were so many different personality

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<v Speaker 1>types and we all needed to be on one page,

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<v Speaker 1>and when we weren't, we were a mess and we

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<v Speaker 1>were losing business. So I got used to knowing this

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<v Speaker 1>one always needs to feel like, but he's in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of positive I don't know there's probably an actual technical

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<v Speaker 1>term for it that therapists used, but like positive manipulation,

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<v Speaker 1>when people ask, are you manipulative. I'm thinking to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>I have manipulated so many things to come to existence

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<v Speaker 1>that have been incredible, Like every single Danity Cane tour

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<v Speaker 1>after did he pulled us apart?

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<v Speaker 3>Like every single job I've ever gotten.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go in one room and say, well I already

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<v Speaker 1>have this, so if you don't want it, I'll go

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<v Speaker 1>over here. Then they want me all of a sudden.

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<v Speaker 1>That's manipulating, but it's for the positive. It's moving everything

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<v Speaker 1>in a direction as well, right, yeah, for it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a positive direction for all, but it's still there's still

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<v Speaker 1>factors of manipulation involved in it.

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<v Speaker 4>And I am just being able to into people and

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<v Speaker 4>read people. I think when there are certain I do

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<v Speaker 4>the same.

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<v Speaker 2>But I call it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm really good at playing the game of chess in life,

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<v Speaker 4>like I can't play the actual game.

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<v Speaker 3>Game of chess. Is a game of chess is manipulation.

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<v Speaker 3>You're manipulating. I guess I compone it all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a negative connotation where I think about but.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, and that's that's one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's why I love using words that scare people

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<v Speaker 1>a little more than maybe other.

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<v Speaker 3>People do, because if you really get it.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, when I was in Bali, I got

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<v Speaker 1>down to a point when I arrived there, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>never saying any words that were negative. I wouldn't even

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<v Speaker 1>curse because what about my life do I want to put.

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<v Speaker 3>A curse on?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I was taking it so seriously and as

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<v Speaker 1>I was starting to really get into myself because there,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a celebrity. There's no TV, there's no billboards,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no entertainment, there's no nothing in that regard.

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<v Speaker 3>So I didn't ever think when.

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<v Speaker 1>I walked out of the house, if there's paparazzi on

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<v Speaker 1>me right now, how bad are the fat photos going

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<v Speaker 1>to be? How bad are the she's a fucked up

0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:03.240
<v Speaker 1>plastic surgery nightmare or whatever the fuck they're gonna say

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<v Speaker 1>this week?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>I have to actively think about that every day, because

0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:08.399
<v Speaker 1>the second you don't think about it, and all the

0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:10.359
<v Speaker 1>people around you tell you you're doing too much, is

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<v Speaker 1>when you end up on the cover of something looking

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<v Speaker 1>a hot fucking mess, and you really wish you would

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<v Speaker 1>have just trusted your instincts. If you've ever if you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever been in that position and been like I said

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<v Speaker 1>this to someone one time, my girlfriends. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>how many times have you guys felt just deep humiliation

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<v Speaker 1>in life? And maybe one most of them said not really. Ever,

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<v Speaker 1>one or two said they accidentally sent like a nasty

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<v Speaker 1>message about their a coworker with their girlfriend that they

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<v Speaker 1>were sending to like everybody on the team, and the

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<v Speaker 1>coworker saw it, and they got punished at work or

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<v Speaker 1>fired or whatever, and it was I was fucking humiliating.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a bad day in their life, right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the normal job, normal life type of humiliation. Our type

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<v Speaker 1>of humiliation is very different, and it's on a world scale.

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<v Speaker 1>And they'll even it may not even be real. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of the time. Most of the things that have been

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<v Speaker 1>said about me are not. When I go through headlines,

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<v Speaker 1>if I don't even I used to enjoy googling myself

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<v Speaker 1>because I could see how much I had done. It

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<v Speaker 1>got to a point where that flipped and that side

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<v Speaker 1>of pr and that the way that they were moving

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<v Speaker 1>for a while. Thank god, they're damn narrow, nonexistent and

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<v Speaker 1>don't have jobs to do anymore at this stage time.

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<v Speaker 3>That's when that makes.

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<v Speaker 1>Me a little happy that the gatekeeping has died down,

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<v Speaker 1>because those people had to go away, But the way

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<v Speaker 1>they were able to just fully take people out at

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<v Speaker 1>certain points in this industry were they had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of control. Certain people had a lot of control just

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<v Speaker 1>taking someone's entire career out just with a publicity stunt,

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<v Speaker 1>or make somebody an entire career just with a fake

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<v Speaker 1>sex tape of this, so that like these things were

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<v Speaker 1>being crafted in rooms with.

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<v Speaker 2>Girl.

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<v Speaker 3>I have all my friends that did it and are huge.

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<v Speaker 1>I that's one of those integrity things, So I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have been able to do it. And I know exactly

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<v Speaker 1>how to do it and how it worked, and who

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<v Speaker 1>the players were and how they got it stolen from

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<v Speaker 1>their house and it was their private tape. So the

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:02.440
<v Speaker 1>world feels bad for them, but really they settle in Core.

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<v Speaker 1>They sue the evil porn company, but porn companies don't

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<v Speaker 1>care that if you.

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<v Speaker 3>Call them evil.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't care about bad reputations. They technically are a

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<v Speaker 1>bad reputation, and then everyone settled, but no one talks

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<v Speaker 1>about that.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't. I think for some people, I'm sure it was.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're initially, but I think I know who's were

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<v Speaker 1>and who's weren't. So to you, because they're worse there

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<v Speaker 1>worn't there There is somebody that did have one stolen,

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't.

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<v Speaker 3>We want to be fair to that person.

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<v Speaker 1>But for the others that did the whole deal, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sue the evil porn company show the world how

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<v Speaker 1>it's not it's not your fault, and how this was

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<v Speaker 1>a personal, private experience. A lot of people do this,

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<v Speaker 1>This is natural in relationships. But then this evil porn

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<v Speaker 1>company released it and caused all this damage. And then

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<v Speaker 1>they settle out of a court for the disclosed amount

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<v Speaker 1>that they basically did the deal for. And sometimes they

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<v Speaker 1>did multiple versions of the tape until they were happy

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<v Speaker 1>with how they looked in it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's how a career was built at a

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<v Speaker 3>certain time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was rising at that time, and I would

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<v Speaker 1>be over here at Madison Square Garden and a couple

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:03.880
<v Speaker 1>paparazzi would call for Danity Kane every now and then.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I would come back over here with my besties

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>and they were climbing on the cars if we just

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 1>went to coffee, and I started to realize, holy shit,

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<v Speaker 1>like this super talented area over here is getting none

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.440
<v Speaker 1>and this area over here is where the fuck it's at.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I started going back to this area when the

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>brakes were done, and that area then started to become

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.640
<v Speaker 1>more popping because everybody said, hey, So and So's best

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 1>friend Aubrey, stay back, Aubrey, we want Aubrey, Aubrey.

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<v Speaker 3>Stay back.

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<v Speaker 1>And so then it started separating me from my very

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<v Speaker 1>talented sisters. And there was already separations occurring with Puff

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<v Speaker 1>and so on and so forth. So like the way

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<v Speaker 1>that I watched everything almost transition in front of my face,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I learned music through watching some of the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest acts in the world making killer shows on the Grammys,

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 1>but none of them Mike's were on. All that shit

0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 1>was pre recorded for the most part. Then when I

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:01.639
<v Speaker 1>came up, it was like John Legend and Alicia Keys

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:04.879
<v Speaker 1>were front like the face of the Grammys, and everybody's

0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 1>mics were on.

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<v Speaker 3>Then, and I grew up in.

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>The industry with a man who made sure that the

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<v Speaker 1>mics were on and made sure that every embarrassing fuck

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 1>up that you do is shown so you can't fuck up.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we were literally taught do not ever cover

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 1>a song of a singer that is better than you.

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:24.879
<v Speaker 1>That was like golden rule, do not ever sing in

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:26.760
<v Speaker 1>front of people that are better singers. When I went

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<v Speaker 1>on Celebrity Apprentice.

0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 2>And I love her singer then well girl when.

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<v Speaker 1>They started when I was on when I did Celebrity Apprentice,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is no shade to her because I love

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<v Speaker 1>her like a sister.

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 3>Debbie Gibson would sing all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can talk about this because I did shade

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 1>her a little in the interviews, So we've already gotten

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 1>past this part of our friendship. But she would annoy

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 1>me so deeply and it had nothing to do with her.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize this till years after. I don't even

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 1>know if I ever told her this. Hopefully she watches

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<v Speaker 1>and sees, but she annoyed me so deeply on that

0:28:57.000 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 1>show and people would probably just see whatever I.

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<v Speaker 3>Said in clip. But it's in the car when we

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 3>would drive.

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<v Speaker 1>To set every morning, she just would sing, sing, si, sing, sing, sing.

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<v Speaker 3>Every which way.

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<v Speaker 1>Every type of artists Whitney, that's just when you don't

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<v Speaker 1>sing unless you could sing like Whitney are better than her.

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<v Speaker 1>She would just be belting it out early in the

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<v Speaker 1>morning and I would just be sitting there.

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<v Speaker 3>She would grind my nerves.

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<v Speaker 1>So bad and I would literally be like even if

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>you didn't buy tickets, you're getting no fucking show from

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:26.240
<v Speaker 1>Debbie Gibson. And even if you didn't want to go

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>to the concert, you're getting it. Like that was the

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 1>famous line. I sat on the show. But years later

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I realized it's not that I didn't love that she

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 1>was singing things out of her ability or whatever. It's

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:39.480
<v Speaker 1>that she just had grown up in a time in

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 1>the music industry where people just loved to see Debbie

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Gibson do anything. She was so iconic, and the second

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 1>she opened her mouth, they were just they just loved her.

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean music artists and especially people in pop music,

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<v Speaker 1>which those rooms look a lot different than urban music, and.

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.040
<v Speaker 3>I guess applaud you a lot differently than urban music.

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 3>But she really thought it was it was cool. She

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:03.560
<v Speaker 3>was on the swirl night.

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 4>And day, and for me, she thought that though or

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 4>she just enjoyed all of it so well.

0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 1>All of it, all of it. I don't think she

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 1>ever knew when she was off. I think she loves singing.

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I think, and she's she's genuine as fuck. I love Yeah,

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 1>she's my sister for life. But but we've laughed about this,

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 1>But like she just loved singing. She would do it

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 1>all the time, didn't care if it was off key,

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't care if she was doing something and things. And

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize until much later. I don't even know

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 1>that I'll ever get over this piece because I was

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 1>trained so young by Diddy and he's so good at

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 1>what he does. But I realized later I just really

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 1>was annoyed by her because she had a freedom that

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. Oh wow, interesting, yeah, because I sing off

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<v Speaker 1>key too, So what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't sing off key as much as she does,

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<v Speaker 3>but I've sing a key.

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<v Speaker 2>You are a condition that it wasn't okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not okay, And every time she did it,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what music industry did she come in?

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<v Speaker 3>Who the fuck was producing? And we're how does she

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<v Speaker 3>have what I have?

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<v Speaker 1>I had so many questions because it just was not

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<v Speaker 1>ever okay to step outside of what.

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<v Speaker 3>Did He will let you know what you did. And

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, he wasn't wrong. He made me a star.

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<v Speaker 1>He told the world I was one talented and all

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<v Speaker 1>of the above in every area.

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<v Speaker 2>You made yourself a star. But he was instrumental