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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the

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Speaker 1: Rough with myself, Teddy Mellencamp and Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Erica Jane.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Erica Jane. How's it going.

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Speaker 2: It's going good? What about you?

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Speaker 1: It's going well. I mean we were just talking about

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Speaker 1: it though, that neither of us are sleeping very well.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on. And I don't think

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Speaker 2: we're the only people, like, We're not the only two.

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Speaker 2: I've had a couple of friends say that they weren't

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Speaker 2: sleeping well either. I just I keep waking up in

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Speaker 2: the middle of the night.

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Speaker 1: You the same. I'm falling asleep, then I wake up

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, and then I fall

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Speaker 1: back asleep, and then I wake up really early.

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Speaker 2: What do you are? You a six am?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I normally am a six am.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm six am two. It used to be four thirty. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: See, that's what I've been doing recently.

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Speaker 2: You do do you? I used to, you know, what

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Speaker 2: would put me back to well. I made a commitment

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Speaker 2: to get up at four thirty, but I used to

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Speaker 2: read a lot.

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Speaker 1: See. The last couple of days, I've had dev sleeping

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Speaker 1: with me because we have guests.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I see, Okay, So.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think there's just a lot going

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Speaker 1: through my mind. I mean, I think with the holidays

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Speaker 1: coming up, I've been thinking about, like the kids, how

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Speaker 1: it goes down between me and Edwin.

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Speaker 2: Wait, is this the first holiday?

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Speaker 1: It's the second holiday, but it's the first holiday where

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Speaker 1: I'm like, not with tumors.

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Speaker 2: Right, Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. So like I wasn't myself. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not that I'm myself now, but.

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Speaker 2: Like, well you're a different self.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like Ede's like, oh, you know whatever

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Speaker 1: it is that you want to do. But then it's

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Speaker 1: like there's this part of me that I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm doing anything well enough right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, been through a lot, Like you don't need to

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Speaker 2: do that to yourself. You really can't do that to yourself.

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Speaker 2: You don't need to put yourself under that kind of pressure.

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Speaker 2: I know these kids are going to have a great

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Speaker 2: holiday season, You're going to have a great Thanksgiving and

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Speaker 2: a great Christmas. Don't do that to yourself, Like, as

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Speaker 2: your friend, please don't. That's the last thing you need

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Speaker 2: right now. Harder, I know it's hard but it's the

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Speaker 2: last thing you need right now if you can't. You've

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Speaker 2: come so far and you're doing so well, and I

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Speaker 2: just don't want you to see you beat up on yourself. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: give yourself a break.

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Speaker 1: Serious at beating up on myself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you are, But you were good at this before

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Speaker 2: you got sick though, Yeah, I know. I mean you

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Speaker 2: were like a world champion. You were you were like

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Speaker 2: a world champion, and then somehow or another like still

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Speaker 2: going still.

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Speaker 1: It's I mean, we.

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Speaker 2: Leave that in the past. I know.

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Speaker 1: I'm working on gratitude.

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Speaker 2: There's a new podcast about gratitude. There is, well doctor

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Speaker 2: Huberman has some guy on about gratitude, and I just

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Speaker 2: was listening to it on the way here, but that

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Speaker 2: I out on the phone call. But I'll send it

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, send it to me, because like I've definitely

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Speaker 1: been working on my gratitude and being like, okay, think

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Speaker 1: about how far you've come. It doesn't have this Christmas

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to look like any other Christmas, you know,

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Speaker 1: like right, it is what it is, and just be

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Speaker 1: happy that everybody's getting along.

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Speaker 2: Those are your presents, yeah, you know, like you got

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Speaker 2: a different kind of present this year. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 2: did the kids.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's a good that's a good call.

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Speaker 2: You know, I got a different, different kind of presence.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. I'm I'm okay. I'm not sleeping

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Speaker 2: well either. I don't know why, but I'm fine. Like

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Speaker 2: everything is okay. I'm doing good.

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Speaker 1: That's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We are on Real Housewives of Orange County Season nineteen,

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Speaker 1: episode sixteen.

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Speaker 2: What'd you think of this? Just off like the top?

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Speaker 2: What we're your what? We're just overall thoughts and then

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Speaker 2: we'll get into it.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say this episode is rough.

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Speaker 2: I thought it us a little snoozy. Yeah, but before

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Speaker 2: the hot tubs in the that the crock.

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Speaker 1: Pot, I want to know who Pete in there?

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Speaker 2: All of them?

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Speaker 1: I mean, because how long do you think they were

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Speaker 1: in the crock pot?

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Speaker 2: I just just watching that made me think, what if

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Speaker 2: they had tried to do this to me?

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine one of those fucking die.

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Speaker 2: But you know what I do love about this cast

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Speaker 2: is that they're all in their swimsuits. Yeah, they're all

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Speaker 1: They're all like it. I mean, let's do it. Our

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Speaker 1: girls would have been like no, absolutely not, like what

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Speaker 1: we're going to get in this hot.

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Speaker 2: Box of water and floating down a canal.

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Speaker 1: Trying to steer our way around.

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Speaker 2: Somebody hit the fucking I mean, no boat. No, But

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Speaker 2: that was the best part that in the tulips.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that what It was the funniest part because there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: We actually were able to laugh and have fun for

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Speaker 1: a minute. But it quickly passed.

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Speaker 2: It quickly passed. All right, go ahead. Start.

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Speaker 1: It starts out where Heather and Gina take mushrooms before

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Speaker 1: heading to the tulip field.

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Speaker 2: Question for you, have you ever taken mushrooms?

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Speaker 1: I haven't.

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Speaker 2: Oh so much fun.

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Speaker 1: I know, I heard it so fun, but you.

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Speaker 2: Would really like it. It's very euphoric and really comforting,

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Speaker 2: and then the colors are like really vibrant.

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Speaker 1: And then it takes down your anxiety, right totally. See,

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Speaker 1: that's the part that sounds pretty good to me. But

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Speaker 1: the fact that only two of them took it, it

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Speaker 2: Well, those were the only two that were having a

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Speaker 2: good time. Yeah, everybody else was just kind of glowing

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Speaker 2: through it. But the girls, you know, but everybody else,

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Speaker 2: you know, Heather and Gina were really vibrant. Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: were mushrooms are fun like that.

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Speaker 1: I mean I kind of wish maybe Shannon would have

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Speaker 1: like her foot or her toe, nail herding.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the blisters, the blisters.

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Speaker 1: I've got to understand.

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Speaker 2: If this is like a stick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really need to know. I need to know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I you know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, Well the girls all sit down for lunch

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Speaker 1: and Gina brings up Alexis's wedding. Okay, so what are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on this in general? Like if Jen would

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Speaker 1: have gone gone to the wedding yes, or said that

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Speaker 1: she was close with Alexis, does Shannon have a right

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Speaker 1: to be upset? If this is the part that we

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Speaker 1: need to remember. If Shannon and Alexis never were on

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Speaker 1: the show together, well, why does that mean anything, because

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Speaker 1: it's not like she stole her boyfriend that she has.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, this is more to me, This is more. Look,

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Speaker 2: everybody has a right to do We're all. You have

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Speaker 2: free will, like Andy Cohen says, you have free will,

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Speaker 2: so you can be friends with whomever you want to be.

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Speaker 2: But if I were Shannon and Jen, who I just

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Speaker 2: threw a fucking what did she throw a reception like

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Speaker 2: a shower that she didn't want? And then I find

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Speaker 2: out that she's seeing my arch nemesis, you know, for lunch, Alexis.

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Speaker 2: I would immediately put Jen at arms length, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: do you know what I'm saying? I would immediately put

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Speaker 2: her at arm's length. I don't know. I'd be like, huh,

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Speaker 2: I don't think this is I don't know that I

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Speaker 2: can trust that situation. That's just how I would operate

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Speaker 2: and be like, Okay, well this doesn't feel good, so logically,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to put myself at arms length.

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Speaker 1: Well, Shannon saying she didn't know that Alexis and gen

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Speaker 1: we are friends, and then Gina calls Jen and Shannon's

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Speaker 2: Well why does Gina call Jen and Shannon's friendship fake?

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Speaker 2: What does she know?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think it's because Jen kind of speaks out of

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Speaker 2: I think Jen is trying to please everybody, which Emily

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Speaker 2: really gets into later on. Yeah, and I think that

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Speaker 2: everyone kind of says that Jen is, you know, in

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Speaker 2: the middle, trying to please everybody, but doesn't really, no

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Speaker 2: one really knows how she feels? Yeah, but does does

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Speaker 2: Jen know how she feels? Is really what it comes

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Speaker 1: And who would rather Jen rather hang out with? She's

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Speaker 1: saying right here, Shannon.

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Speaker 2: Right, but you know, yeah, this is okay. Then the

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Speaker 2: girls get in their hot tub boats. I'm telling you

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Speaker 2: I would have died. It's like a crab pot. Emily

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Speaker 2: put Tamra and Gretchen with her on the hot tub

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Speaker 2: boat and it is her last effort to try to

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Speaker 2: get them to resolve well. Boat one is Emily, Tamra

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Speaker 2: and Gretchen. Boat two is Shannon, Jen, Heather and Gina.

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Speaker 2: Does this seems like something you would like to do?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's something I probably would do really if forced.

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Speaker 1: I only have free will.

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Speaker 2: But like if I was, no, you don't, I mean, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: if it was.

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Speaker 1: I would do it, But I don't know that I

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Speaker 2: I just am going to go on the record here,

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Speaker 2: I will not be doing this. I just looked at

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Speaker 2: them in their swimsuits and I just wanted to be like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, And they were having a good time

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Speaker 2: and floating down the canal, and I don't want to

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Speaker 2: be in a hot tub on a boat inside of

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Speaker 2: a canal with somebody I don't like.

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Speaker 1: Well, most of them didn't even put full bodies in, right.

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Speaker 2: Would you know?

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Speaker 1: I mean no, no, And I think Tamera and maybe

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Speaker 1: it was Heather.

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Speaker 2: Had tops like like pants, they had pants on. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just I'm not kidding. I'm not getting in this water.

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Speaker 1: I'm not getting involved in this.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't. I mean, I this

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Speaker 2: is one of those excursions where you just go, what.

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Speaker 1: Yeah the fuck is this?

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Speaker 2: Like what was shady? Producer decided that we should get

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Speaker 2: and it has to be I do it. And here's

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Speaker 2: the other thing, like please, you know the cool part

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Speaker 2: see things and do things you wouldn't normally do. But

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Speaker 2: this isn't it. This is not what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't understand how what the water temperature was.

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Speaker 2: No shade to Amsterdam, but that water was not the cleanest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't look like it's somewhere you wanted to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I feel like.

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Speaker 2: Do you think she's forgetting or it's convenient.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that always backfires, always always. Then Emily asked

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Speaker 2: Oh, and then Gretchen apologizes to Tarmor for what she

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Speaker 2: Yeah for the audience. Leah, Well, here we go, and

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Speaker 2: all we've said that, like, hey, Gretchen, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: But then Tama brings it on into the second car Yeah,

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Speaker 2: No, yes I do. And Jen did have an answer, right,

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Speaker 1: And yes now we're fully up and running again and

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Speaker 2: And that's okay. Listen, shit happens, you know.

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Speaker 1: But what about how they're telling Jen to monetize her

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Speaker 1: You have to like actively avoid making money at this point?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean yes.

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Speaker 1: And like on your Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you have to be like saying no. You have

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Or this is my rate and I'm not doing it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is my rate and this is the only

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Speaker 2: And you really do like it? Yeah, or you don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or there's no point. But did you realize that

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Speaker 2: Please just oh god, No, I didn't notice. That's how

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was yeah, this was Gretchen starts crying in

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Speaker 1: saying that how doesn't she realize?

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Speaker 2: And then she kept crying and then was late to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but did you see tears? Oh?

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Speaker 2: I never look you don't, No.

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Speaker 1: I do. I didn't see many coming out. I didn't

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm kind over this.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you so am. I. I hate to

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Speaker 1: now as viewers. What are we expecting right now that

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Speaker 2: I'm expecting this to be wrapped up and over. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm expecting for Gretchen to say, hey, I give up,

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Speaker 2: I quit. I'm not going to be bringing it up

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Speaker 2: from seventeen years ago. I really mean it. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to do this, and then do that. Like, here's

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Speaker 2: the thing. You can say all of these things like

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Speaker 2: have to not do it. You have to say you know, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to do it and then not do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So then we can move on and then we

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Speaker 2: Right, Let somebody else get in a fight, Let someone

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Speaker 1: And you can tell. Tamara is so over it too.

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Speaker 2: She's like she's checked out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like we talked about this, yeah, multiple.

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Speaker 2: Times, multiple times, And I just think that how.

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Speaker 1: Many times do I have to apologize to you?

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Speaker 2: These girls, these women on this show, they have a

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Speaker 2: good cast, They're very active. I just feel like, you know,

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Speaker 2: why are we getting hammered with this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know, because I'm for sure getting over it.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: But then later the girls all get in the Sprinter

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Speaker 1: Gretchen might not come at all. She went up to

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Speaker 1: immediately thinks it's about her. Well I would too, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Is it is? I mean it's certainly not. What is it?

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Speaker 2: I've done wrong? And I feel so bad and it

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Speaker 2: took me all these weeks to figure it out. Like, yes,

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Speaker 2: I understand that, but okay.

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Speaker 1: Well, also Slade, when did you become the voice of

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Speaker 2: Please, Paul, it's just a little convenient, you know. Now

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Speaker 2: we're gonna be sorry.

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Speaker 1: Now we're sorry. And then also we know more things

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Speaker 2: Yeah, next week looks like it's popping next week.

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Speaker 1: If only this were next week.

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Speaker 2: Well yes, but let's also remember things do if you're

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Speaker 2: being if you're tracking life, not every night is you know,

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Speaker 2: to build up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well this was nothing really built up. Then you know,

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Speaker 1: she does show up to dinner. As they're talking about it,

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Speaker 1: they go into the food market.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the market, Like, why couldn't we sit down?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why can't we have a sit down? They already

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Speaker 1: they'd already done a lot. Let them have a sit

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Speaker 2: The crotch pots crush.

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Speaker 1: What about the hats? Would you want?

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Speaker 2: The hats were clever? I mean it added some comic

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Speaker 2: relief to the whole thing. Moister than an oyster.

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Speaker 1: Moist chance, right, No one likes sis.

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Speaker 2: No one likes it. I like. I like when my

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Speaker 1: Moist, but you like to say moist?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't like that word.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not my favorite.

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Speaker 2: Was it moister than an oyster? Something about a diet cock?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll have it. I'll have a diet cock.

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Speaker 2: No, you want an extra large overleaf.

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Speaker 1: Extra sugar castre fat.

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Speaker 2: Cock and that fucking slim.

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Speaker 1: No launch And I'd like mine with the gero calories.

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Speaker 2: Please, bitch, I need a fucking no no loaded baked potato,

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Speaker 2: you know, like something like give us some some meat.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so that happens. Then Emily asked if Gretchen

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Speaker 2: The fact that you're laughing about She can't even you

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Speaker 2: know why I see this is we're not we're not

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Speaker 2: is she? What has Gretchen heard about twelve years of history? Like, bro,

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Speaker 2: Right, So why would I be beefing for twelve non

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Speaker 1: On, please Gretchen. Then Tamra says, you know, I'm annoyed.

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Speaker 2: The pot, before the crock Pot, but they slid back

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Speaker 2: You just gotta let it go.

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Speaker 1: Let it go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't, you know, And you know, Emily wonders

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Speaker 2: Gretchen is so emosive. Oh, Emily, come on, there was

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Speaker 2: maybe there was an emotional relief.

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Speaker 1: Now you just really can't keep those tears and except

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Speaker 2: See, I didn't even look at you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: even look at things like that. Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she could at least she could at least

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Speaker 1: pull to you and had one lowly, lonely cheer drop

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Speaker 2: That was Lisa, Rena.

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Speaker 1: Was that Rena?

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Speaker 2: That's Rena. I was the one that had the mescara

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Speaker 2: I was like, no, no, no, no, it wasn't. I

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Speaker 2: wish let me tell you something else. Swear to God,

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Speaker 2: I wish that was but it was not. It was horrible.

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Speaker 1: That was That's something to cry about. This twelve years

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Speaker 1: post Tarma showed her two weeks ago that Gretchen has

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00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: been liking. Tarma also showed Emily, and Gina doesn't know

444
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: if she should tell Heather about the posts.

445
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Speaker 2: So what I'm picking up on I'm going to go

446
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: out and say this possibly has something to do with

447
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 2: the LGBTQ plus community.

448
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: That's what my guess is. Yeah, and then I have

449
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: a feeling that it's they are going to probably let

450
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: Heather know.

451
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, how do you feel about that?

452
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the fact that Heather didn't already.

453
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: Know when I mean, are these posts old?

454
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 1: Some were old, and some I think are recent because

455
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: I've seen them.

456
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

457
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: Also, I saw the video that Gretchen made that was

458
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 1: inappropriate that she took down with Jen.

459
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 2: Oh. I saw that.

460
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: It was just dumb it Yeah, it was dumb, It

461
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: was inappropriate. Yeah, it was just it's not the time anyo.

462
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 1: It's not the time, right.

463
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 2: How old are these posts like when we say old,

464
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: are they like a year old? Six months old?

465
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've seen these posts for a few years. Okay,

466
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering how, I mean, with all of the

467
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: Internet sleuths that people can do, I'm surprised these posts

468
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: didn't come out prior to this season. Airy, Oh they

469
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: did come out.

470
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 2: Well, we had to save the best for last, you

471
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: know how, it does true, so we can banish her

472
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 2: away forever after this, I mean, come on, you know

473
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 2: how it goes? Yeah, I just I you know, wow,

474
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: had a loss of words. I'm at a loss of

475
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 2: a lot more than words. I'm at a loss of

476
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 2: emotion over here today.

477
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

478
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: It's it's slim.

479
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: It's slim. I'm happy for anyone else to join in

480
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: and tell us more that we can talk about from

481
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: this episode.

482
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just you know, Uh, I watched it all,

483
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: and I just.

484
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: I watched it all and the fact that we don't

485
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: have opinions, and.

486
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 2: That's hard, that's hard. That's your two opinionated fucker's.

487
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: And we could talk our way through just about anything. Yeah,

488
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: and this just is I was like.

489
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I am excited to see next week. I

490
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 2: do think that well, if Gretchen is crying now, she's

491
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: really going to be crying later.

492
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, if she's upset now, I mean we do start

493
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: to see things get heated because we hear Djen go

494
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: was it biblical? And Heather isn't having that? Yeah, which

495
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: I can understand.

496
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: Sure, of course, I mean biblical. I just I mean

497
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 2: this has to be Yeah, I mean we all know

498
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: what this means.

499
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all know what this means, and it's.

500
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 2: Just I need to see these posts. I need to

501
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 2: see what they are. It sounds like they're not good.

502
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: They're not good. So I'm a little bit confused because

503
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: when for when they show Tamar kind of showing up

504
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: the phone of what the text messages say, it's blurred?

505
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: Do you think it's gonna stay blurred the entire season

506
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: or they're gonna.

507
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm sure. And since it's already online, you

508
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 2: can go and see it yourself.

509
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't think that, yeah, would it's effortless to find.

510
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 2: This is when you need the bloggers see. This is

511
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: when the bloggers come handy.

512
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think they've already come in handy about

513
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: this multiple times. And so the fact that this is

514
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: just coming out is a little disturbing.

515
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: I think happens to the rest of the group, Like,

516
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: does you know so they're these posts, they're disturbing to

517
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: the group. Obviously, Heather's going to feel I'm just going

518
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: to assume. Obviously I'm assuming one a strong way about this.

519
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: So what ends up happening to the rest? Do they

520
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: are they neutral? Do they say I agree like this

521
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 2: is unacceptable? Or do you know what do you.

522
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: My guess is that they're all going to be like

523
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: this is unacceptable, right, I would just think that they would.

524
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: I mean, some of the posts that I saw, like

525
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: there's no other ways.

526
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: It's not even a closer, it's.

527
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: Not even a close call, Like it's unacceptable.

528
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: Right, just flat out flat space.

529
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So I think that, you know, moving forward,

530
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: you know, we're going to have to go through the reunion,

531
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 1: but my I mean, I feel like the next step is,

532
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: you know, we're going back into like you know, the

533
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: beginning of the season where like oh these are fake

534
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: or this didn't happen, or this isn't real or this

535
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: isn't you.

536
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 2: Know, do you think that she's going to say that.

537
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think she's going to take accountability, do you.

538
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: Well, how do you defend something that's been out for

539
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 2: a few years? Do you know what I'm saying?

540
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, that's just my guess. I don't know, But like,

541
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: I don't think she's going to say I don't think

542
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: especially without like.

543
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: Hey yes I did this, or and I feel badly

544
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: about it, or hey I did this and that's how

545
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 2: I feel now. I don't think that she will Emily

546
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: says that she can't trust the screenshot because it's tamor

547
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: showing it. I think that's just Emily being a lawyer. Yeah,

548
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 2: that's just Emily. You know, Emily's trained to, you know,

549
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: look at the shit from an objective point of view.

550
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like, and it's sentuntil proven guilty. But like

551
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: at this point, anybody can delete or do whatever of

552
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't know.

553
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 2: I want to see these posts. I want to see

554
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 2: what this is because I just I don't know what

555
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: I'm what I'm answering for, you know, I just don't know.

556
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: Before next week, we'll we'll do a little reading, reading

557
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: up on them so that we make sure that we

558
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: know exactly what.

559
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 2: I'm interested to see these women's reactions to this.

560
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they're going to be flip floppy, if they're

561
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: going to be.

562
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: Do you know what they just stop talking to her?

563
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: Did they stop talking to her?

564
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: Like? Is that I don't know. I didn't hear, like

565
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: how they stopped talking to Katie. I didn't, right, Like

566
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: That's what I'm kind of asking, Like, I don't know

567
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: if that happened.

568
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: Did they kind of just stop talking to Gretchen? Like

569
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: they stopped talking to Katie.

570
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: I wonder if they were ever really talking to Gretchen

571
00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: this entire season like they were, you think, who.

572
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: Well, look Jen clearly.

573
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: Well obviously Jen talks to everybody.

574
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I'm saying, like, yeah, I'm sure that

575
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: they you know, how the show goes. Of course they're talking,

576
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 2: just not like they don't talk to you. But I'm talking,

577
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: I'm sure even if it's just simple shit. Yeah, just

578
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: simple stuff. I'm not saying that you're getting on the

579
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: phone and you know, socializing, but you do have simple conversations.

580
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

581
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: You know, you do have interaction, believe it or not

582
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: outside of.

583
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: I just wonder how much they have.

584
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: Probably, well, I think it varies upon who it is. Yeah,

585
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: and certainly once these texts come out, they're all going

586
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: to put themselves at greater distance from her. I'm just

587
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: wondering this is going to do.

588
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: This isn't going to make you want to trust her more?

589
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't think.

590
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: I don't think it endears her to anybody, and I

591
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: don't I haven't even seen them, so neither. I don't know.

592
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,239
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I mean more to be seen. I

593
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: do I want to say to the ldies of Orange County.

594
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: I really admire you guys getting in the bathing suits

595
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: and getting in the hot tubs on the canals. I

596
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: know what it's like to shoot those things, and good job.

597
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: Because that was that's where we can give ours.

598
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: I really do. I give my kudos this week for

599
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: getting in those hot tubs on those boats. That's not easy.

600
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: It's a pain in the ass to do, and it's

601
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: it's kind of like it's a big ask. And they

602
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: all did it, and they all did it, and they

603
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: all just you know, and they made shit happen, which

604
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: I always appreciate about this cast.

605
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we can appreciate them for that, and then

606
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: I think next week will be a lot more exclusive

607
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: for us to talk about exclusive.

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00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: All right, thanks guys, Thanks guys,