1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Well, I'm coming on Thursday another episode of the Chuck Podcast. 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that this is the most 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: enthusiastic episode in light of the tragic events in Utah, 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: the assassination, the killing of Charlie Kirk, a conservative political activist. 5 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: It's horrific, it's sickening. What's really awful about this is 6 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: that it also happened on a college campus where we 7 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: should be celebrating speech. That's what he was doing, expressing 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: political speech, making a political argument, exactly what this country 9 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: was founded on, what every college campus in America embraces 10 00:00:49,680 --> 00:01:03,959 Speaker 1: and should embrace. And we get this violence. There's there's 11 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of finger pointing. There already is, 12 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: and I think we you know, I hope everybody realizes 13 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: that when they point the finger, they're also pointing at themselves. 14 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: Because everybody in the political arena, we all, everybody needs 15 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: to do soul searching. You know, we're we're in a 16 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: tinder box of our own making. Political violence is happening 17 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: far too often. It was just June in Minnesota when 18 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: you had somebody stock state legislatures, legislators killing killing them 19 00:01:51,080 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: in Minnesota, there's no political movement or party that is 20 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: immune from what we've seen, and so anybody that attempts 21 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: to try to say yeah but on this, I'm not 22 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: listening to you, and you shouldn't listen to him either. 23 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: This is not a yeah butt moment. This is tragedy. 24 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of this butt. We've all let 25 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: rhetoric escalate too much. It's been it's been a decade 26 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: of this. Okay, it's been a decade. Many of us 27 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: in the land of reporting have experienced threats and have 28 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: been fearful for ourselves. We're alive. Charlie's not. He was 29 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: a father, He had kids. As somebody whose father died 30 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: at sixteen, I can't imagine not having a father at five. 31 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: At least I had my dad for sixteen years. His 32 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: kids won't all over a political dispute, a disagreement. The 33 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: whole point You've heard me say it before, but I'm 34 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: going to say it till I'm bluwing my face. The 35 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: whole reason human beings created invented this idea of politics negotiation, 36 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: was so that we could resolve disputes without violence. That's 37 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: why I love politics. When you resolve disputes with violence, 38 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: you're no longer practicing politics. You're practicing nihilism. Maybe you're broken, 39 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: and we got to ask ourselves what are we doing here? 40 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: You know? And and we're all going to want some 41 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: entity or somebody to blame because we hate moments like this. 42 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm looking for somebody to blame. I'm not going to 43 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: lie to you. I think the way we amplify rhetoric 44 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: in this country the incentive structure in the information ecosystem, 45 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: which gives extreme rhetoric and a greater opportunity to circulate 46 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: rather than nuanced conversation or respectful political debate. The algorithms 47 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: don't seem to favor those things. Far too easy for 48 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: broken people to get a weapon. The point is there's 49 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: a lot of reasons we got here. There's no one 50 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: reason over another. There's a ton of contributing factors. We 51 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,119 Speaker 1: desperately need some political leadership in this country right now 52 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: that wants to unify. Nobody says we have to agree 53 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: on everything, but we do need to agree that our 54 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: constitution gives us these rights to speech. We have a 55 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: right to disagree. We should stop dehumanizing. This is a 56 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: huge problem with political cranks on the left and right 57 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: who want to make who want to dehumanize their political opponents, 58 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: because once you dehumanize a political opponent, then you stop 59 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: seeing them as three dimensional people, as fathers, as husbands, 60 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: as wives, as mothers, and you just see them as 61 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: enemy combatants or two dimensional figures. So I'm going to 62 00:05:54,600 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: be honest, I'm very fearful of the of the real 63 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: of whether we have the responsible leaders to meet the 64 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: moment that we're in right now. History is you know, look, 65 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: the history of this country has a lot of political violence. 66 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: Doesn't justify political violence happening though. Just because it has 67 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: happened in the past doesn't mean we have to repeat it. 68 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: You know. I've often had heard some historians, you know, 69 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: try to say, hey, you know what's happening now, it's 70 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: not as bad as the eighteen fifties, it's not as 71 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: bad as the nineteen fifties or nineteen sixties. Well, this 72 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: is where the era we're living in now, and it 73 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: feels bad. So I don't give a damn whether it's 74 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: it was worse before or not. This seems pretty bad 75 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: that you can't go on a college campus and express 76 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: your opinion without being shot and killed. That's not supposed 77 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: to happen in America. So it's far too often we've 78 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: had these moments where something like this happens and we realize, 79 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: wait a minute, we've got to take a step back. 80 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: You know, after Gabby Gifford's in twenty eleven, there was 81 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: a let's take a step back, and we had a 82 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: couple of stated unions in a row where the two 83 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: parties sat with each other and didn't didn't sort of 84 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: split each other up. We've lost this ability to see 85 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: each other as Americans before, whether regardless of whether somebody 86 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: is wearing a blue or red jersey, we're in a 87 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: compet We should be in a competition for ideas. We 88 00:07:54,560 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: should be persuading. We shouldn't celebrate pugilism. You know, all 89 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of actions that have taken place, and 90 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and single out an 91 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: action on the left or an action on the right, 92 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: because I'm not going to let this algorithm or let 93 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: some Yahoo try to weaponize something I said, to try 94 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: to disparage a whole group of people, whether journalists, whether whoever. 95 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: The point is everybody in elective office, everybody in the 96 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: political arena, every one of us who've covered politics. We've 97 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: been We know we've been walking on eggshell's. We know 98 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: that there is that this, the way politics has been 99 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: conducted over the last ten years, is not going to 100 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: lead us to a better place. And here we are. 101 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: You know, there's an expression that sometimes before things get better, 102 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: things have to get worse. Sometimes things just keep getting worse. 103 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: If we want things to get better, we have to 104 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: actually want things to get better. We have to realize 105 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: that the whole point of this experiment that is America. 106 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: We're different than every other country. We're an idea. Despite 107 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: what some really uninformed senator said the other day that 108 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: disputed the idea that America was an idea, wanted to 109 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: believe it was some ethnic or like minded thing. It's 110 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: an idea based on those principles and those Bill of Rights, 111 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: based on the principle of freedom, freedom of expression, freedom 112 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom 113 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: of assembly. We don't want the government to get in 114 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: the way of that, and we certainly don't want individuals 115 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: to take it away from people like that was taken 116 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: away from Charlie. So it's I think we've underreacted to 117 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: all the political violence that's been taking place over the 118 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: last few years, the assassinations in Minnesota, the assassination attempts 119 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: against President Trump. I don't know if there's a lot 120 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: of credibility with elected members here in Washington, left or 121 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: right to get together and try to do something, But 122 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: I'd like to see that happen. I'd like to see 123 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: the president address the nation and say this, we've got 124 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: to stop. We've got to sort of sit back. You know, 125 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: there's I could be cynical and say, oh, maybe not. 126 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: This president doesn't matter who's president. It should everybody should. 127 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: He should want us unified. He does. Maybe he wants 128 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: us unified in his own terms, but he needs to 129 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: add us the country be the He's everybody's president. Everybody 130 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: needs to make an attempt to turn the temperature down. 131 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: I think the people we expect to rise to the 132 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: occasion will, but this moment calls for people to rise 133 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: to the occasion that you don't expect. So I'm going 134 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: to hold out some hope because the country needs it. Again. 135 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: Unity doesn't mean agreeing unity. It means you're agreeing to 136 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: the process. We've agreed that how elections go, we're going 137 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: to let them go where you know, who wins. We're 138 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: going to accept accept winning. And the problem is when 139 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: you don't, right, you start eroding things. And we keep 140 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: and over the last ten years, we've just eroded these 141 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: things little by little. I think we've compartmentalized it a 142 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: little bit. And I can't help but go back to 143 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: our information ecosystem and how warped it is intentionally become 144 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: by the algorithms and by these tech companies. This most 145 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: of US Americans live between the thirty yard lines, and temperamentally, 146 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: I think most Americans live between the thirty yard lines. 147 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: There is an extreme fringe that is super online that 148 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: gets whipped up praise on the lonely, praise on the angry, 149 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: praise on the othered right. When you otherize somebody, they 150 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: may start outherising themselves. So the point is is that 151 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: every action creates a reaction, every attack creates a rationale 152 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: to counterattack, and that's what we have to prevent in 153 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: this moment. So it's going to be a test of 154 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: our political leadership. It would be easy for me to 155 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: say here, I don't expect that we have the leaders 156 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: to meet this moment, because look at what happened over 157 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: the last decade. But hope Spring's eternal, and you never 158 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: know when the moment comes where somebody realizes enough is enough. 159 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: I hope this is the enough is enough moment. I 160 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: thought the attack, you know, I think we all thought 161 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: the attack on the Minnesota legislatures would be enough is 162 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: enough moment. I think we thought seeing first graders massacred 163 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: would be enough is enough moment. I think we thought 164 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: a presidential assassination attempt would be enough is enough moment. 165 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: I thought maybe pipe bombs showing up in people's mailboxes 166 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: would be enough is enough moment. You get where I'm 167 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: going here, But there will be that moment where enough 168 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: is enough. Let's hope this is a moment that there's 169 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: enough is enough. I'm I believe in in centering this 170 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: country temperamentally right. It's I believe in incrementalism because in 171 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: order to not scare people away or force people into 172 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: horrible corners, or or or having them feel nihilistic, you 173 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: move an inch at a time because you can bring 174 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: more people along when you try to make radical transformation. 175 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: It can incentivize counter radicalization. And it feels like we're 176 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: in this escalatory moment where there's a radicalization and the 177 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: rationale to radicalize, et cetera, et cetera. Right, it has 178 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: to stop. Now. We need some help. These algorithms that 179 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: incentivize and reward jack assery and crazy rhetoric left and 180 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: right are feeding into this. And you never know when 181 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: somebody's on the verge of a mental breakdown and some 182 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: post sets them off and they go out and get 183 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: a weapon and do damage. So we have a lot 184 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: of work to do, you know. I'm i I'd like 185 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: to believe. I want to continue to make this a 186 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: home where we have responsible debate, that we have respectful disagreements, 187 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm going to hope that the leadership 188 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: in this country at this moment finds a way to 189 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: rise up and meet the moment. And if we don't 190 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: have the leaders to meet the moment, express your anger 191 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: at the BALLOTPA, that's what we have. Don't express your 192 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: anger other ways like that. Peacefully protests. Sure, write your 193 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: letters to the editor, great, send nasty grams. You could 194 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: do that. People don't read that stuff. Have respectful criticism. 195 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: A lot of people like to read respectful criticism. So 196 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: the point is we all play a role here. Don't 197 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: amplify crazy rhetoric. Just because you really want to believe 198 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: your political opponent has an awful idea doesn't always mean 199 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: they're an awful person. Good people can have bad ideas. 200 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: They I don't know my neighbor's political beliefs. They seem 201 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: like pretty good people. I'm not going to judge them 202 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: by the ideas that they have, judge them as humans 203 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: that way. So again, we all play a role, and 204 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: more importantly, we need to expect, we need a police 205 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: whichever side of the aisle you're on. Don't reward or 206 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: more importantly, make excuses for hateful rhetoric, hateful actions. That's 207 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: what I'm already seeing a little bit of on social media, 208 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: some of which I think is again an algorithm intentionally 209 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: curates it in order to keep you angry, keep you 210 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: on these on these platforms. Unfortunately, there's a financial incentive. 211 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: As you know, I refuse to play that partisan game. 212 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: But that's they have a huge They play a huge 213 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: role here. I'm hoping we get some bipartisan concern about 214 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: this from our elected officials. It's the only way it 215 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: can gain some credibility. And we need to look at 216 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: these things, and these tech companies need to take responsibility 217 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: for the environment they've created. They have created this environment. 218 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: This speech is not organic. This hateful rhetoric is not organic. 219 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: We've had hateful rhetoric forever. We've just never had a 220 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: system that amplifies it and celebrates it and allows it 221 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: to be monetized like we do today. So I know, 222 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: I said, I began this by saying, you know, I 223 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: don't want to point fingers at any one thing, but 224 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: if you're asking me to what's number one on the list, 225 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: for me, that's number one on the list. It's these 226 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: horrible algorithms that incentivize this hateful rest and amplify it 227 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: and make people think that it is that there are 228 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: more people who believe this garbage about each other than 229 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: they actually do. We don't have well, you know, the 230 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: grocery store. You don't have people behaving this way. So again, 231 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: everybody has soul searching to do. Police your side of 232 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: the aisle, win your arguments, rhetorically, disagree without being disagreeable, 233 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: and express your concern at the battle box. Let me 234 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: pivot here before I get the question and talk a 235 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: little bit about the Excerpts from the Kamala Harris from 236 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris's book. I think it's I am. I think 237 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: a lot of us that are observers of the former 238 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: vice president are surprised at how direct she was, at 239 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: least in the excerpts. And I'm hesitant to do too 240 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: much on the book because I'd like to read the 241 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: whole thing. I have not gotten my copy yet. I 242 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: have only read the excerpts in the Atlantic. But what 243 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: was interesting is what it confirmed. She confirmed a lot 244 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: of the reporting that I had done and been doing 245 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: during the Biden Harris years, which was how marginalized she was, 246 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: how much the West wing it looked to me, and 247 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: certainly I had my own sources there that they aggressively 248 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: marginalized her in some ways. I think she feels to 249 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: this day set up for failure. When it came to 250 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: the quote unquote borders are, I found that the details 251 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: in there were she talked about the fact that she was, 252 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: you know here, she would give a speech, it would 253 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: be approved, they'd see it, and then it gets a 254 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: little traction and they'd be upset that it got a 255 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: little traction and be upset with her. Look, this goes 256 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: back to and what my sneaking suspicion is that there 257 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: was always division inside Biden world about whether to pick 258 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: her or not, and those that didn't want her picked 259 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: had a lot of power in that West wing and 260 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: she was not treated as an equal. I want to 261 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 1: be careful here, I don't want to violate off the 262 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: record conversations, but I'll just put it this way. I 263 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: am surprised that a former vice president who then assumed 264 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: the presidency, who himself thought he was treated unfairly or 265 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: dismissed at times, or up for failure by a presidential 266 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: west wing staff, would then become president and then treat 267 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: his vice president in a way that I know he 268 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: didn't like how he was treated. That's that is the 269 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: thing that jumps out at me the most in this 270 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: is that a former vice president who assumes the presidency 271 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: ends up treating his vice president as badly as he 272 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: felt like he was treated at times. This is a reminder, right, 273 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: like bad behaviors passed on, right, if you want to 274 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: set a new tone, you have to set a new tone. 275 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: It's too bad that didn't happen, and you can't help 276 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: but read the excerpts and realize that that you know, 277 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: you know, look I've I I've always felt that there's 278 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: too many people were in the vice president's ear, too 279 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,959 Speaker 1: many people were trying to make money off the vice president, 280 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: pushing her in different directions at times. I think the 281 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: consulting team really sort of pushed her. I have no 282 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: idea whether she had the ambition to be president in 283 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: the teens that the consultants talked her into it. I 284 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: don't know, because the campaign she ran was way too 285 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: consultant heavy, way too focus grouped, and it felt like 286 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: too many people which is in that and you saw 287 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: and so of course she got this reputation for being 288 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: cautious all the time. And I do think by her 289 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: nature prosecutors are cautious. You have to be. Defense attorneys 290 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: don't have to be. But when you're representing the government, 291 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: you have to dot every ie and cross every tee. Right, 292 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: that should be an asset, but in politics that sometimes 293 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: that isn't an asset. Right. So by her, you know, 294 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 1: it's always been by her nature she's cautious. Well, of course, 295 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: because she was a former prosecutor. That's how she cut 296 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: her teeth in government and from there, you you know, 297 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: and being an attorney, the same thing when you're representative 298 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: of the government in the legal space. You know, you 299 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: can't you can't put you can't be a cowboy. Obviously, 300 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: our politics rewards those that go off go off script. Uh, 301 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: and that was that's just not who she is. You know, 302 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: we've talked about this the campaign itself. I think in 303 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: hindsight it was doomed to fail, not and there's nothing 304 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: she could have done that. The circumstance that she was 305 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: given made it impossible for her to to to sort 306 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: of do that. Now, you know, look, well, will there 307 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: be should she have thrown Biden under the bus sooner? 308 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: Should she have told us all this, Perhaps that would 309 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: have been politically expedient, but it actually wouldn't be who 310 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: she is, which I which, and you know she waited 311 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: till now. Look, the whole Biden presidency is sort of 312 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: a tragedy that Joe Biden I covered in two thousand 313 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: and eight. Had he become president, he would have been 314 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: I think, a much different president. But she does seem 315 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: to describe a presidency that we all thought we were seeing, 316 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: which was it was very small, bubble tight circle, and 317 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: that there were three or four people who were almost 318 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: selfishly guarding the Biden presidency to the point where it 319 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: was it looked like it was self serving, more for 320 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: themselves than looking out even for Biden, let alone the country. 321 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: The book may open some wounds inside the party, but 322 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: I'm one of those you can't you can't let this 323 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: stuff fester, So rip the band aid off and have 324 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: the conversation the other thing. And again, I want to 325 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: be careful using this excerpt to make an assumption about 326 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: her ambition in the future. But now I'm a bit 327 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: more convinced she wants to run for president again and 328 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: on her terms, and not have to run as Biden's 329 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: vice president. It may be that that's a tattoo that 330 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: she'll never be able to remove and she'll always be 331 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: Biden's vice president. But if the rest of the book 332 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: is similar to this excerpt, I certainly think she's trying 333 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: to say, Hey, I was in I was in a 334 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: position where I couldn't be the one to say he 335 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: should have gone, But where was everybody else? Right? The 336 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: hypnotized line was quite striking when she said, let me 337 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: read it for it that it was a Jill and 338 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: Joe decision about whether he should run again. And she 339 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: goes we all said that like a mantra, as if 340 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: we'd all been hypnotized. Was it grace or was it recklessness? 341 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: In retrospect, I think it was recklessness. The stakes were 342 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: simply too high. This wasn't a choice that should have 343 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: been left to an individual's ego and individual's ambition. It 344 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,719 Speaker 1: should have been more than a personal decision. And then 345 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: she goes on, I was well aware of my delicate status. 346 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: Lore has it that every outgoing chief of staff always 347 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: tells the incoming president's chief of staff rule number one, 348 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: watch the VP, because I'd gone after him over busting 349 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: in the twenty nineteen primary debate. I came into the 350 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: White House with what we lawyers call a rebuttable presumption. 351 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: I had to prove my loyalty time and time again. 352 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: The point was, and she made this point, she couldn't 353 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: be the one to tell him he had to go, 354 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: because the assumption would have been she was doing she 355 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: was the one that was going to benefit it. But 356 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 1: she was in the impossible position. But all these Democrats 357 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: that besmirched Dean Phillips, all these Democrats that stood by 358 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: Biden and said that you know, at a minimum, Dean 359 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: Phillips is owned an apology for how he was treated 360 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: by the party. Party would have benefited from an open 361 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: debate on this. I don't know whether future Democratic electorates 362 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: will hold her time with Biden against her. Some might. 363 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: We'll see if that makes her If that, if you know, 364 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: if the country wants to turn the page, they may say, hey, 365 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: do we want anybody connected to any of the any 366 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: of the last ten years. And that's possible. But from 367 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: what I read in this excerpt, it strikes me as 368 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: she's somebody that isn't done in American politics and may 369 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: want one more chance at the presidency. So I look 370 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: forward to reading the rest of the book. Yes, I'm 371 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: making every effort to get her on the podcast. We 372 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: shall see. I will tell you this, Every conversation I've 373 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: had with her on the record and off the record 374 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: has been illuminating and interesting. So I hope to bring 375 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: a conversation like that to you guys here. All right, 376 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: let me take a few questions, ask Chuck. All right, 377 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: this comes from Alliance fan, so I'm going to assume 378 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: it's Michigan, but we shall see. Troubel Go Lions. He says, 379 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: as someone who grew up in the Detroit metro area. 380 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: I loved hearing your reflections in the city. With the 381 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell Brad Holmes era of the Lions, there's been 382 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: a real rebirth of pride and grit in Michigan. Do 383 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: you think that energy could translate into political awareness or action? 384 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: And have sports teams ever sparked that kind of movement before. 385 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: On a related note, I recently spoke with a couple 386 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: of mega voters in Detroit said they'd likely support Mike 387 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: Duggan for governor if Dugan wins. One to impact do 388 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: you think you would have on Michigan politics and beyond 389 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: look I have You've heard me say it before. I 390 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: think the single most important state in twenty twenty six 391 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: where I can learn the most about the American electorate 392 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: and the appetites of the American electorate is in Michigan. 393 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: Whether it's the Democratic primary for Senate, which you've heard 394 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: some candidates on here, and it's going to be a 395 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: lively debate about the future of the party, which direction 396 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: should they go ideologically, temperamentally, etc. But Duggan's candidacy is 397 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: an independent for governor. You know, can if an independent 398 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: somebody who's not an R or a d wins the 399 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: governorship in arguably one of the one of the three 400 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: most important swing states in America. Right now, that's a size. 401 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: That's an earthquake. That is an earthquake. I'm a tad skeptical. 402 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: I've seen these candidacies before. They have a they have 403 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: they have this sort of fifteen to twenty percent hard, 404 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: sort of enthusiastic support, but they struggle to go to 405 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: build there. And then sometimes as the campaign season gets 406 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: more partisan, it just does. Right. Red starts to go 407 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: back to red, Blue starts to go back to blue. 408 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: But look, I mean, I mean, look, this is this 409 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: is about the heaviest podcast I've done since I relaunched 410 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: the podcast, given the events of the events of this 411 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: week with what happened to Charlie Kirk. But you know, 412 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: is that a moment for a guy like Mike Dougan 413 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: to say, you know, this is you know, our party. 414 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: You know, partisan politics are hurting us as a country, 415 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: right Our inability to be bipartisan, our inability to sort 416 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: of work with the other side, our inability to view 417 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: the other side is as with as having worthy ideas 418 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: and worthy of the moment is our problem. And it's 419 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: holding us back. I don't know if if that's the 420 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: message that a dug In could deliver or convey, but 421 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: it's a I think it's an opening that's out there. 422 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: I think we are I think the country is dying 423 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: to de escalate the partisan warfare. And so that's where 424 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: I think Duggan's candidacy is interesting to me. And if 425 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: it gets there, and you know, I do think the 426 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: partisanship is exhausting. This vast temperamental middle right. There's two. 427 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: You know, I was trying to get at this before. 428 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: I think there's there's ideological middle right, and then there's 429 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: there's there's a temperamental modern right. I've always said I'm 430 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: a temperamental moderate, meaning I just don't think you can 431 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: do things quickly or radically. You have to be incremental 432 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: because you have to bring everybody, You have to bring 433 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:15,239 Speaker 1: everybody around. It's possible that this is what's appealing at 434 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: the ballot box if you want to if you want 435 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: to stop the partisanship, the best message you might be 436 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: able to send is to fire both parties when you 437 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: get the opportunity to do so, and right now, Michigan 438 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: voters will have the opportunity to do that, So I'm 439 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm extraordinarily intrigued. As for your note about sports, I 440 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: do think that sports teams can help a city pride, right. 441 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if it can translate beyond a city, 442 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: but there is something that it can create, some city pride, 443 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: that can create some political momentum, meaning it can sort 444 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: of you know, you know, it's funny. There's been studies 445 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: of this about voting behavior for instance, and this is 446 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: there's uh, there's a some academic work and forgive me, 447 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: it's about a decade old, but they did a study 448 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: of of of of voters and they you know, different places. 449 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: So take Columbus, Ohio. If the Ohio State Buckeyes won 450 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: the Saturday before an election, incumbents did a couple of 451 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: points better on the following Tuesday. If Ohio State lost 452 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: the big football game the October and the Saturday before 453 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: the election, incumbents did worse. Meaning that you you know, 454 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: when voters when when you're in a bad mood, you're 455 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: anti incumbent. When you're in a good mood, you're more 456 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: likely to be incumbent. So there is a moodiness, there 457 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: is a there is mood music that a sports team 458 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: can set but it's pretty temporary. But this is it. 459 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: It's funny you bring this up about the line and 460 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: you're referring to something. It is been heartwarming to see 461 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: the entire state embraced Detroit in a way that for 462 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: the longest time, for most of my adult lifetime, Detroit 463 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: was otherised by the rest of Michigan. Political candidates would 464 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: run for office, run against Detroit to win statewide. Look, 465 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: it happens, and a lot of people used to do that. 466 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: You'd run against Philadelphia to win in Pennsylvania. You run 467 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: against New York City to win in New York. I 468 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: saw it. Run against Miami, you know, win statewide in Florida. 469 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: It was, you know, a way of whatever the biggest 470 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: city was, you could tap into voter antipathy about that 471 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: city and other parts of the state. And it's like 472 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: Detroit was so beaten down for so long, and there 473 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: is something that Detroit is making a comeback on. At 474 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: the same time, the Lions are good, right, and it's 475 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: sort of it just it fit a narrative that may 476 00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: end up benefiting Duggan. You know, if the Detroit Lions 477 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: are nine and one going into election day, November of 478 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, and as a Packer fan, so I'm 479 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: all for the if the Packers go and win the 480 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 1: Super Bowl this year. By the way, truebll. I'm fine 481 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: if you guys do great next year in twenty twenty six, 482 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: but if they're nine and one, nine and two going 483 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: into election day twenty twenty six, it's worth something to 484 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: dug in on the on the net. Positive there, all right? 485 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: Next question, This one comes from Dan and he writes, 486 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 1: I'm running from DC as a GW grad student. All right, 487 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: go revolutionaries. One of the oldest tricks in the corrupt 488 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: politician playbook is that they are all bastard's defense when 489 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: cotton scandals, shrug it off by pointing at the other side. 490 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: So your own corruption looks normal by comparison. Yeah, we 491 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: call that projection, right. The trouble is, I've yet to 492 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: hear a sharp nonpartisan CounterPunch to this. With the twenty 493 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: twenty six midterms in New York's mayor ural race looming, 494 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: how should Democrats respond when their own unfavorables are running 495 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: just as high? Thanks? Dan? Well, well, i'd actually say 496 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: this is why I'd rather I feel like this is 497 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: why Mike Dougan said, I'm not going to be a 498 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: partisan this year. I'm going to go try to be 499 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: an independent. You know, I think, you know, you get 500 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: a halo effect if you're not a member of one 501 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: of the two parties. I think right now, as far 502 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,919 Speaker 1: as voters are concerned, or if you're willing to buck 503 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: your party, and I think that that's really what it is. 504 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: If you want to make corruption of the quote other 505 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 1: party an issue, you better police your side and call 506 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,439 Speaker 1: out the bad behavior on your side, call out those 507 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: that are being bought off by the crypto industry on 508 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: the democratic side of the isle. If you also want 509 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: to call out what the crypto industry is doing with 510 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: the Trump family, right like, you can't have that credibility 511 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: there if you don't also with the voter, if you 512 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: don't also say hey, look they're buying off people on 513 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: my side of the aisle too. Whichever it is, I 514 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: will say this that that corruption, it is. It is 515 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: a It is always the second hit when one when 516 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: the out party overperforms and does well in a midterm, 517 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: there's always a top issue. Maybe it's the economy. Most 518 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: times it is. Six was war in Iraq and then 519 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,439 Speaker 1: the second hit, Right, the second hit is some form 520 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: of corruption, culture of corruption, whatever you want to call it, 521 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: and it was successful Republicans in ninety four they had 522 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: there was a check bouncing scandal that was sort of 523 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,760 Speaker 1: the second hit. It was still an economic hit, healthcare, 524 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: all of that, but the second hit, you know, the 525 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: second punch, if you will so. But in order for 526 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: it to be effective, you know, you've got to be 527 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: willing to hold your own side accountable. Two, because I do, 528 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: I do fear that we've one of the reasons why 529 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: I think everybody believes all politicians are corrupt. You know, 530 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: he's one persons is behaving more corruptly, more brazenly, you know, 531 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: waving at the camera as they shoplift. It is. But 532 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: if you want to make your case and you want 533 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: the voters to think you're credible, also advocate for a 534 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: system that tries to minimize the corruption. Not just identify 535 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: who's corrupt, but come up come up with a plan 536 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: to minimize the ability. Look, elected officials are corruptible. Everybody's corruptible. 537 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: The question is do you have some systems in place 538 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: to maybe make corrupting an elected official difficult? Right, campaign 539 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: finance limits, things like public disclosure forms like that, and 540 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: you hope you this is why I think you should 541 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: why character is destiny. I've always vote on character before ideology, 542 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: before points of view. I always vote character first because ultimately, 543 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: are you going to be honest when the chips are down, 544 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: not when it's easy to not when you're getting close 545 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: to election day. So I I think I do think 546 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: it is It is a you know, this is this 547 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: is where I think the third party of you know, 548 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: the Forward Party was ever going to find a moment, 549 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: if the Libertarian Party was ever going to find a moment. 550 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: We're in one of these moments right where there's a 551 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: lot of distrust. You point out the unfavorabilities of the 552 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: Democrats in some cases are worse than the Republicans, even 553 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: as people identify don't like the what appears to be 554 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: just a transactional uh nature that that that the that 555 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: the Trump administration has created. It's a I think that's 556 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: I think corruptions the the opportunity for a third party candidate. 557 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: We need to clean it all up. You can't trust 558 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: a Democrat or Republican to clean it up. You're going 559 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: to have to fire both parties, And I think that 560 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: if you were trying to be a successful third party 561 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: insurgency corruption would actually be the first place to start, 562 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: because I think you, I think that that independent voter 563 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: in some ways is a bit let they they're very safe. 564 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: I think you can you can end up appealing to 565 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,919 Speaker 1: some on the left and some on the right who 566 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: do care about character vers. This comes from Alex in 567 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: North Carolina. He says, love your long in depth show. 568 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: Well thanks, always do the full episode. Well right on 569 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,320 Speaker 1: there it is even if it takes you out, you could, 570 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, take throughout the day, take the entire day 571 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: to finish it. Finish it up right. I wonder if 572 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,800 Speaker 1: dem should reverse their playbook surprise Trump by welcoming the 573 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: National Guard into the Blue cities, then claim that the 574 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: red cities are the crime ridden ones. No one likes crime, 575 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,800 Speaker 1: and I think this could up end Trump's plan. Alex Carborough, 576 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: North Carolina, Well that's pretty much what maryol Bowser's saying. 577 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: It's what Wes Moore is doing in Baltimore. And I 578 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,800 Speaker 1: think it's a giant mistake of how Governor Pritzkers handled 579 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: the Chicago situation. I mean, the fact is we've had violent, 580 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,760 Speaker 1: too much violence in Chicago, now you could. I've had 581 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 1: I've had so many conversations about the Chicago issue, and 582 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: you know, some of it is how the city was 583 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 1: originally laid out, and there's always been all sorts of 584 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: rationalizations to why there's violence. This is what you're advocating 585 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: is essentially the Bill Clinton playbook, Yes, let's do it 586 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: right nineteen ninety four Republicans one using in some cases 587 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: three strikes in You're out. That was this mantra three. 588 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: And of course we've since said, well, maybe that was 589 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 1: those penalties were too harsh, those mandatory sentencing and all 590 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: of this stuff that it really especially for non violent 591 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: on the non violent criminal side. But the point was 592 00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: that was popular and Bill Clinton's party got hammered at 593 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: the at the midterms, and he comes and basically leans in, yes, 594 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 1: let's get more cops on the street. So I don't 595 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: think you're wrong, and I think that, you know, the 596 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: best way to take an issue off the table is 597 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: to say, yes, yes, let's deal with it, let's go 598 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 1: instead of fighting with data. I mean, look, we just 599 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 1: learned the vibes, right, I mean, how silly does the 600 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,800 Speaker 1: Biden Harris team look now about but the data shows 601 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,399 Speaker 1: the economies healthier. You know, you know, you know, the 602 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: media is you know, not reporting it correctly. Actually we 603 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:41,399 Speaker 1: were because the perception of the economy is reality. Right. 604 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 1: If you don't think the economy is good, you pull 605 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: back yourself, you start you start making you know, sometimes 606 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,799 Speaker 1: it's subconscious, you don't even realize. But but when you 607 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: have this feeling that things are are not in the 608 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: best shape, you might I don't think I'm going to 609 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: go on this trip, right, I don't think I'm going to, 610 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: you know, go out tonight. And you do, and everybody 611 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: just pulls back a little bit, and suddenly everybody's pulled back. 612 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: Point was the vibes mattered? Right? But anyway it goes. 613 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes you say yes, and then you can have a 614 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,720 Speaker 1: debate about how you should do it. What's the best 615 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 1: way to do this? We got to deal with this. 616 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,359 Speaker 1: Is it your way or is it our way? But 617 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,800 Speaker 1: you got to acknowledge reality. All right, I'm gonna do 618 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: one more question here and then I'm going to leave 619 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: you with of what will be a weekly segment. Every 620 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: week I do NFL games with my friend Tony Kornheiser. 621 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: It's me and a monkey. What I'm gonna do is 622 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: less about picks, but sort of more of the games 623 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: that are interesting me, that interested interesting to me this week, 624 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: and how I'm watching college football for the week ahead. 625 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 1: But let me take this last question here comes from 626 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,840 Speaker 1: Jim in Pennsylvania says that the media hounded Trump about 627 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 1: the poor judgment of Kennedy. Would he not then be 628 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: more inclined to closely watch him or fire him? I 629 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,759 Speaker 1: think so, And I think the fact is he is 630 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: sensitive to he is sensitive to how many people don't 631 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: like what Kennedy's up to and how I mean, I 632 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: think we You know, Bill Crystal writes these imaginary memos 633 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: in the voice of Donald Trump sometimes or and I 634 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: think he's had one where he imagines Avanka calling him, going, Dad, 635 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 1: these vaccines, I don't want to send my kid to 636 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: his I've got my kid in school here in Florida, 637 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: and these vaccines we need the mandatory right. Whether that 638 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: conversation happened or not, it was interesting to me that 639 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 1: Trump went out of his way to say no, no, no, no. 640 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: These vaccines have been tested and they've stood the test 641 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: of time. And frankly, you know, Trump is of the 642 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: generation he's you know, I think I've shared with you 643 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 1: on here, but my father got a lot of these 644 00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 1: childhood diseases, and you know I heard the story. You know, 645 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,400 Speaker 1: he'd get the measles and they quickly put up you know, 646 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: quarantine sign on their front door, you know, because that 647 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 1: we didn't have a vaccine then. So Donald Trump lived 648 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: in a lived in that world. He grew up. He's 649 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: just two years older. He was born two years before 650 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: my father was born. But he grew up in that world. 651 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 1: So in some ways it may take older. This is 652 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 1: one case where an older politician with a memory of 653 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 1: what life was like before we had some of these vaccines, 654 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: you know, so that these millennial wellness people who don't 655 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: have a lived experience about what life was like before 656 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: these vaccines. You know, now why Kennedy doesn't see it. 657 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 1: He's he's on the older side. But he's lived a 658 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 1: life for privilege, so it isn't He's never lived in 659 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: the real world. So what does he know, right, He 660 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: lives in a he's he was born into a protective bubble, 661 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,479 Speaker 1: and he's lived in this protective bubble. He was bailed 662 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,879 Speaker 1: out of every bad decision he made so how does 663 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: he know how the real world works and how dangerous 664 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: these viruses really are. You're not wrong, and I look, 665 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: I fully believe. I fully believe that. Uh it's not 666 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 1: a matter of if. But when Trump decides it's uh 667 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,720 Speaker 1: that that Kennedy bag anti vax baggage is too heavy 668 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 1: to be carrying around in his administration. All right, before 669 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:35,879 Speaker 1: I let you go for the weekend, Uh, I am. 670 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,840 Speaker 1: I am not here to make bets for you or 671 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,760 Speaker 1: anything like that, but these are the games this weekend. Obviously, 672 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: the game I care about the most is Miami versus 673 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 1: South Florida. I am relieved that my you that the 674 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,320 Speaker 1: us F, UH that us F beat the Gators last week, 675 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: because it means mimy won't be overlooking them. Uh, they'll 676 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 1: be fully prepared. If you're if you're not following the 677 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,359 Speaker 1: Miami Hurricanes as closely as I do, this is going 678 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:08,360 Speaker 1: to be the second of four straight games against teams 679 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 1: from the state of Florida. In the state of Florida, 680 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,359 Speaker 1: it'll be five straight games, I don't think. In fact, 681 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,800 Speaker 1: the Hurricanes don't leave the state of Florida to play 682 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,399 Speaker 1: a football game until November one, which is why if 683 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 1: there was ever a year to be striving for a championship, 684 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 1: whether conference or even bigger, the scheduling gods were on 685 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,319 Speaker 1: our side, and this is going pretty well. This is 686 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,720 Speaker 1: exactly the way you want it. By the way, speaking 687 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: at Florida, they play LSU. We play the Gators next week. 688 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: So Florida LSU is a game I'm gonna have my 689 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: eye on, and let's just say I really would like 690 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,080 Speaker 1: to see the Gators win that game. But that is 691 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 1: I got two games I'm watching this week that are 692 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,880 Speaker 1: the hot seat coaching hot seat games. One is Wisconsin 693 00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: at Alabama. Luke Fickle at Wisconsin, Caitlin de board Alabama 694 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,880 Speaker 1: a huge blowout. If Wisconsin gets blown out, blown the 695 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 1: doors off, forty to fifty point loss. I do think 696 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,799 Speaker 1: that there's going to be more and more conversations about 697 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: Fickle fair unfair. Wisconsin wants to be they want to 698 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,800 Speaker 1: move into that top tier of college football. They've always 699 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 1: been like right on the cusp. Always feels like they're 700 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:26,879 Speaker 1: like one game away, another player away. I think they 701 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,520 Speaker 1: thought that Fickle, would you know, he took the University 702 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,160 Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, took them to the playoff when they had 703 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,800 Speaker 1: that undefeated season, right, so he can't get blown and 704 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 1: then poor Calen de boor yeah, he put up seventy 705 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,640 Speaker 1: points last week, but what have you done for me lately? 706 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,279 Speaker 1: And when you're the successor to Nick Saban, you got 707 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: to win every game big. If somehow he got upset 708 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 1: in this game, Paul Finebaum would only be taking calls 709 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: on his radio show. Another game that I care about 710 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: a lot, it's going to be Clemson Georgia Tech. I 711 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,880 Speaker 1: think loser is out of the AC race, not necessarily 712 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,600 Speaker 1: to win the conference, but probably has to win out 713 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,640 Speaker 1: in order to get a chance at the college football playoff. 714 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,280 Speaker 1: Georgia Tech is a is kryptonite to the University of Miami. 715 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 1: I I've been skeptical of Clemson. I didn't understand the 716 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,719 Speaker 1: hype of Clemson. I never have understood the hype of 717 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 1: Clemson for this team. I think we're going to learn 718 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,440 Speaker 1: a lot about that team because I don't know if 719 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,359 Speaker 1: anybody's good, right, we still don't fully know. We think 720 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,640 Speaker 1: we do. I think Miami's good because I think Notre 721 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 1: Dame's good. Let's just say, as a Miami fan, I 722 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: hope Notre Dame beats Texas A and m this weekend. 723 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 1: That's going to be another interesting game, probably a must 724 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,400 Speaker 1: win for Notre Dame if they want to make the 725 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,319 Speaker 1: playoff ten and two and both of and they have 726 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,279 Speaker 1: two losses to an M and Miami and no other 727 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 1: great win USC could be a good win for them 728 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,799 Speaker 1: if they get there. I think they need this win 729 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,239 Speaker 1: ten and two. With a win over an SEC team 730 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,279 Speaker 1: and lost somewhere else, they get in for sure ten 731 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 1: and two without a win over either mid me ver 732 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,800 Speaker 1: A, A and M that could be a problem there. And 733 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:09,800 Speaker 1: for my South Florida friends, pit Bull Stadium f i 734 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: U FAU. Nobody outside of vocal ratone and and UH 735 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 1: west Chester in Miami may care about this game, but 736 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,600 Speaker 1: I kind of do. It's actually a fun little rivalry 737 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 1: that that's sprung up here. It feels like FAU always 738 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,520 Speaker 1: beats FIU. But this one's a home game, so let's 739 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,120 Speaker 1: go fighting pit bulls. And then if you can't sleep, 740 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,840 Speaker 1: I think that the surprise game of the day starts 741 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,320 Speaker 1: at ten o'clock at night, and it's the University of 742 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:44,720 Speaker 1: Minnesota playing the cow Bears, two interesting new quarterbacks playing 743 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,279 Speaker 1: If you have insomnia, that might be the game that 744 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,440 Speaker 1: you that sneakily is the most fun game to watch 745 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,000 Speaker 1: all week in long. So again, I'm not here to 746 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,320 Speaker 1: give you give throw up picks like that. For now, 747 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,279 Speaker 1: I'll let you know how I do this weekend, and 748 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 1: then maybe maybe I'll feel confident enough to share to 749 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,880 Speaker 1: share some of those things. So anyway, with that, look, 750 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 1: college football is a distraction, right, it's a good distraction, 751 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:20,120 Speaker 1: and well, you know we all you don't want to 752 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,279 Speaker 1: you don't want to wallow, and you don't want to 753 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:32,160 Speaker 1: forget either, So have a RESTful weekend. Remember, maybe find 754 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,400 Speaker 1: a way to do your part to de escalate. Do 755 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,440 Speaker 1: you have a friend who always seems to be a 756 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,880 Speaker 1: little harsh about the other side politically, maybe say hey, 757 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: let's tone it down. Can't we do this differently anyway? 758 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,560 Speaker 1: As they used to say and on the First Great 759 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,520 Speaker 1: TV Show, let's be careful out there. Have a good weekend. 760 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:03,640 Speaker 1: Two