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Speaker 2: See all those people running out there but taking their

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Speaker 2: victory laps for something that they should not be running for.

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Speaker 2: Kerry Rhoads Week twelve in the NFL, providing us drama

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Speaker 2: in Dallas, a miserable afternoon for one quarterback in title town.

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Speaker 2: But we start in Sin City where Shador Sanders and

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Speaker 2: the Browns get a victory, his first career win as

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Speaker 2: an NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 3: And now all people can talk about is Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 4: Wait did he play yesterday?

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Speaker 3: Sure? Did?

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Speaker 2: I saw a whole ordeal from Las Vegas, and we

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Speaker 2: saw Carry was so involved in this game, not for Shaedre.

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Speaker 2: And this is the bigger point. Carrie wanted to know

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Speaker 2: if the Browns would have more sacks than the Raiders

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Speaker 2: actually had points?

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Speaker 4: I did right?

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Speaker 3: Was that was the competition? Ten?

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Speaker 2: Ten was the was the final. But that tells the

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Speaker 2: whole story. But the story continues to be about Shador

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Speaker 2: Sanders and the talking heads that supported Shador Sanders and

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Speaker 2: felt he should have been a first round pick and

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Speaker 2: should have been starting a long, long time ago. They

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Speaker 2: are the ones who are running around the track right

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Speaker 2: now with their flags, with their banners. We told you so,

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Speaker 2: We told you so, and Carrie, the race is not

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Speaker 2: over yet. In fact, the race is just begun. And

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Speaker 2: the reason that I have the problem with the victory

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Speaker 2: laps that people are taking. You could take a win,

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Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with that, nothing wrong with hey, I'll

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Speaker 2: take that win today. I'll grab that. It's the fact

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Speaker 2: that they think that this is over and the fact

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Speaker 2: that Shador Sanders, even as now the starting quarterback of

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Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns, as Kevin Stefanski made the announcement today,

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Speaker 2: everything that is led up to this point has really

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Speaker 2: been Shador doing it to himself. And you may say

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Speaker 2: that the Cleveland Browns are the ones who were blocking

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Speaker 2: shaud Or Sanders in getting an opportunity to be a

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Speaker 2: starting quarterback. Shandor turned down an opportunity to be drafted

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Speaker 2: by the Baltimore Ravens. You know why, because they felt

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Speaker 2: you had a better opportunity to start somewhere else. And

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't know if the Raiders are an

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Speaker 2: NFL caliber team outside of Max Crosby right now. So

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Speaker 2: taking a victory lap over a team that has fired

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Speaker 2: sixty seven percent of their coordinators within the last month,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I am just not cashing all of my

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Speaker 2: chips in right now. If I am backing Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 5: Dan, you're right, but don't leave out bruck Bowers. He's

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Speaker 5: the NFL guy as well.

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Speaker 3: That's true or not.

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Speaker 5: We got they got, they got. They got two exciting

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Speaker 5: whites is what they called. That's what they call the Lakers,

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Speaker 5: the Lakers trio of La Rabia, Reeves and uh Luca.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, no, when it comes back to this, you

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Speaker 5: know how it is, man, it's I mean, everybody's been

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Speaker 5: waiting for this moment. I think even you know you

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Speaker 5: said the victory lap guys have been waiting on this moment.

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Speaker 5: I also think the naysayers have been waiting on this

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Speaker 5: moment as well, right, so if he was not to

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Speaker 5: win that game yesterday or have a terrible performance, they

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Speaker 5: would be right in front of this thing as well.

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Speaker 5: So you know, I think It's one of those things

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Speaker 5: where we do it a lot, and I do it.

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Speaker 5: I do it a lot as well. Like I told you, so,

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Speaker 5: I did that thing, I made that pick. I think

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Speaker 5: this is their chance to do it, Dan, So I'm

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Speaker 5: not gonna slight them that way. I'm gonna let them

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Speaker 5: have their moment. But like you said, this is just

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Speaker 5: a start, and they played a terrible team, So let's

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Speaker 5: not let's not have the conclusion that he's an NFL

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Speaker 5: starret and guy right now, we're gonna find out in

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Speaker 5: the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: What I want just a little bit. Kenny Loggins, the

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Speaker 2: Great Kenny Loggins, had a song called mean Me Halfway.

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Speaker 2: You know that song that, Yes, it's a great song. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Kenny's great. Yes, meet me halfway. You don't even have

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Speaker 2: to meet me halfway. Just take a step towards my

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Speaker 2: direction a little bit. Just be a little different. And

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Speaker 2: that's what I just wanted Shador Sanders to do, is

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Speaker 2: just just be a rookie, be someone who's learning, have

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Speaker 2: a little bit of that, show us some of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you thought maybe because he had the last laugh

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Speaker 3: Chador with CBS after the win.

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Speaker 6: Win is crazy. It's amazing, you know, off of one

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Speaker 6: week of practice, You know what I mean? This one

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Speaker 6: week of practice, so imagine you know what a full

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Speaker 6: off season looked like. It get dangerous, but it's just

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Speaker 6: a one week of practice. So I'm just truly thankful.

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Speaker 6: You know that everything happened.

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Speaker 2: So Shador now has not only should imagine what I

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Speaker 2: could do if the coach has actually cared about men.

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Speaker 2: He said, imagine what I'm gonna do when I'm the

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Speaker 2: Browns starting quarterback in twenty twenty six. Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 2: it is. There's there's no meet me halfway. There is

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Speaker 2: no step towards it. And that's why I say with

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Speaker 2: all of this is you can take your victory laps.

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Speaker 2: And we watched the game yesterday and there were great

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Speaker 2: throws by shot Or we saw great throws against Baltimore

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Speaker 2: that actually ended up incomplete in that game when he

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Speaker 2: ended up taking over for Dylan Gabriel. It's just meet

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Speaker 2: if you're taking a victory lap today, I think you

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Speaker 2: need to take a step in that direction. We have

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Speaker 2: to meet in the middle at some point. Yesterday was

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Speaker 2: a great moment for the Cleveland Browns in winning an

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes I could.

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Speaker 5: No, I'm not gonna go that far, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: say this, the one person that shouldn't be taking the

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Speaker 5: victory lap is the guy I just took a victory.

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Speaker 5: In that sound bite for him, a lot of the

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Speaker 5: stuff and a lot of the stuff that you know people

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Speaker 5: So as good as he was in moments yesterday, as

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Speaker 5: the game, and you know, as a rookie, that is impressive.

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Speaker 5: But he doesn't have to let everybody know that right now.

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Speaker 5: It's one game and when that flips and when he

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Speaker 5: has that bad game, will he still have that same energy.

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Speaker 5: You got to be even killed as a quarterback. You

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Speaker 5: can show your emotions on the field, you can fire

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Speaker 5: your guys up. There are different ways to lead a team.

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Speaker 5: Don't come out and take don't come out and take

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Speaker 5: a victory lap. You're showing up the coaches, You're showing

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Speaker 5: early and said, you know, you know, this is a

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Speaker 5: They've already put you in the category. And now that

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Speaker 5: So I don't like that sound bite at all. I

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Speaker 5: but don't do that because it's going to come back

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Speaker 5: everything is actually captured back in the day where we

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Speaker 5: could say something to have a conversation off no off

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Speaker 5: social media, and nobody else would hear it, but us two,

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Speaker 5: everybody hears it.

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Speaker 2: I also think that there's a point where you've played this,

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Speaker 2: where you've played the game where people were talking about

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Speaker 2: the public has no idea what's actually going on in

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Speaker 2: all the scenes, no zero idea. Yes, so their perception

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Speaker 2: that there's a reality that Kevin Stefanski is dealing with

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Speaker 2: We're going to get to his locker room speech, which

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Speaker 2: I'm very curious to hear what you had to say.

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Speaker 2: But first, this was Kevin Stefanski following Shador's performance after

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Speaker 2: yesterday's win in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 7: You saw a lot of what Chador does well on

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Speaker 7: the field today. I thought to make that play off

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Speaker 7: and there's a lot that he's working on, which is

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Speaker 7: what I I appreciate about young guys. I want to

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Speaker 2: I praise and talking about the plays that s Dort

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Speaker 2: made on the field in that game. Yeah, so nothing

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Speaker 2: wrong with that, no, but it took him a day.

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Speaker 2: This is something that our executive producer, Jason Stewart had

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Speaker 2: wondered about of why a delay? Why did you not

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Speaker 3: Jason? Is that fair enough to say?

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Speaker 2: Is now Dylan Gabriel's cleared concussion protocol and Kevin Stefanski

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Speaker 2: is name shoud or Sanders. Are you wondering why there

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think Stefanski has handled this whole thing wrong,

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Speaker 8: like from way back even at the draft. Okay, and

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Speaker 8: I think he's been he has ownership in his ears,

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Speaker 8: but like, why not name him the starter after yesterday's game,

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Speaker 8: Because today you have twenty four hours sitting on it

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Speaker 8: and this wave of criticism, and I think he deserves

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Speaker 8: that criticism. If he would have stated that Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 8: to make up the decision anyways, why not say it

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Jason.

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Speaker 5: Number one, you don't want to make anybody bigger than

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Speaker 5: anybody in that situation when it comes to the team, right,

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Speaker 5: so the locker room and all that stuff. I can

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Speaker 5: understand it. And also he still has to evaluate how

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Speaker 5: he played. Now you saw it in real time, and

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Speaker 5: as a head coach, you wouldn't know that, but you

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Speaker 5: want to see the tape and see if he's going

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Speaker 5: through the progressions the right way, if he's doing everything

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Speaker 5: the right way. Obviously operations in the game it looks

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Speaker 5: that way, but there are little minutia things that happens

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Speaker 5: as a quarterback, as any position in the league. You

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Speaker 5: just want to make sure that he's operating in that space.

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Speaker 5: So I can understand why it wasn't yesterday. I'm not,

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Speaker 5: as I guess, taken aback by that, but the way

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Speaker 5: he helded it early on, I am so I agree

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Speaker 5: with you that on that position.

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Speaker 2: I'll say this, you also have to tell Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 2: that you're not the starter anymore. Yes, So, like there's

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Speaker 2: a conversation that he can't just come in, well, I

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Speaker 2: want a great wing, guys, like we found a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: You know, like you can't you can't do that as

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Speaker 2: a head coach. But there is friction, and I think

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Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski in the way that he praised shador in

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Speaker 2: talking postgame is a step towards Shadoor. And you guys

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Speaker 2: may be right that the Stefanski hasn't hasn't handled this correctly,

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Speaker 2: But the point is is there is still so much

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Speaker 5: Whole lot left, a whole lot left. Man, This thing

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Speaker 8: Isn't that comment? And I want to hear it again too,

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Speaker 8: because is this not on that list of things that

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Speaker 6: When it's crazy, it's amazing, you know, off for one

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Speaker 6: You know that everything happened.

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Speaker 2: An What an opportune time to throw your coach under

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Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski beat beat beep. Now I know why he

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Speaker 5: The thing about the NFL, everybody talks, and so Kevin

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Speaker 5: Stefanski may not be his coach for long, right, that's

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Speaker 5: Knew that guy, I played with this guy. Do not

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Speaker 5: Just take the high road. But it is it okay

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Speaker 3: It is not.

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Speaker 2: Really hasn't done much, but your defense has ten sacks

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy is in concussion protocol. A report say that

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Speaker 2: And I just tweeted that flights forty minutes from Green

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the symptoms where he sucked. Yeah, it's those are

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Speaker 5: the symptoms. J. J. McCarthy has a long way to go,

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Speaker 12: a little bit more a veteran field. I'm not sure

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Speaker 12: Sam Hole played decent in the preseason, so but yeah,

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Speaker 12: they're in a situation now that I'm sure they were

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Speaker 12: not thinking it could ever be at this point in Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: Tom Telasco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. It's

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Speaker 2: the Doug Gottlieb Show. He's Carry Rhodes, the former All Pro.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Byer sitting in for Doug today. Another quarterback situation.

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Speaker 2: We started the show talking about it. Shador Sanders now

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Speaker 2: the starter for Cleveland as Dylan Gabriel has progressed through

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Speaker 2: concussion protocol. How did you guys handle fifth round picks?

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Speaker 2: Because Shador seems to be a different animal, but in

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Speaker 2: the end, it was a fifth round selection. And do

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Speaker 2: you do you like the way that Cleveland is handled

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Speaker 2: Shador throughout this process? How about Shador getting his first

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Speaker 2: win yesterday and how it's gone so far this season.

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Speaker 12: I think they've handled it the only way you can

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Speaker 12: handle it. I mean, he was the third quarterback going

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Speaker 12: into the seat, and then they they trade Flacco, and

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Speaker 12: obviously they liked Gabriel better, at least in the draft process,

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Speaker 12: they liked Gabriel better than Should. That's why he was

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Speaker 12: drafted before him. So he used the starter and Chadure

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Speaker 12: is the backup. And you know, Carrie knows this more

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Speaker 12: than anybody. I mean, the backup quarterback doesn't get a

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Speaker 12: lot of reps with the ones during the week. He

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Speaker 12: just don't have enough snaps, and especially if when you're

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Speaker 12: a starter as a rookie, he needs all the stats

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Speaker 12: that he can get. So Chaudu is running scout team.

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Speaker 12: He's he's throwing, you know, looking at cards and throwing

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Speaker 12: the routes off the cards and then maybe after practice

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Speaker 12: going to get together and throw with some receivers. But

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Speaker 12: that's just life as a second and third string quarterback.

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Speaker 12: So but now he's the starter. I think it's great.

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Speaker 12: It just gives Cleveland some hope right now. I think

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Speaker 12: I don't think Should have played great the other day,

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Speaker 12: but he certainly flashed his talent and his toughness, his

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Speaker 12: ability to get the ball downfield. He made some rookie mistakes.

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Speaker 12: The biggest thing is he didn't take a whole lot.

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Speaker 12: He only took one sack, which is great to see

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Speaker 12: just protect the football. I know he had the winter reception,

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Speaker 12: but no fumble, was only one sack. And when I think,

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Speaker 12: and they are very conservative game plan for him, and

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Speaker 12: maybe a'll start to open up. But I thought the

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Speaker 12: Browns rookie class this year is not standing. I mean,

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Speaker 12: you've got obviously your rookie starting a quarterback, but you

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Speaker 12: got you have the two running backs that are doing

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Speaker 12: outstanding with Judkins and Sampson, and Harold Fanning is a

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Speaker 12: great threat as a tight end as a middle round

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Speaker 12: draft pick, and Carsons Swartzinger is to me has played

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Speaker 12: at a Pro Bowl level linebacker. And Mason Grahanat's had

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Speaker 12: a nice year. So it's a great rookie class. It's

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Speaker 12: a really young team. And now you get a chance

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Speaker 12: and see what he can do.

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Speaker 5: Tom It's crazy because I said coming into this year

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Speaker 5: that the Browns would be a scary team because their

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Speaker 5: defense is so good, and so I thought, you know,

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Speaker 5: my you know, hindsight twenty twenty, Right, you think Flacco

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Speaker 5: is going to be able to operate that thing at

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Speaker 5: a at an above average clip, right, And I thought

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Speaker 5: the team would be you know, in in the mix

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Speaker 5: and that division, to be honest. And so right now,

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Speaker 5: where do they stand with Kevin Stefanski And you know,

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Speaker 5: I guess you would say under and underachievement team right now?

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Speaker 12: Well, like the defense has played really really well and

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Speaker 12: you know you could see going into the year. But offensively,

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Speaker 12: to me, it doesn't matter who's playing quarterback. They just

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Speaker 12: don't have enough infrastructure yet and they're you're really young

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Speaker 12: a position. Their offensive line is not a great group.

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Speaker 12: It's not very strong, especially a tackle, so that's not

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Speaker 12: an issue all year, which I give Shuder even more

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Speaker 12: credit for taking one sack yesterday. And their skill group

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Speaker 12: Jerry Judy is really talented, but you could see yesterday

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Speaker 12: what happens with him sometimes, so he just isn't always

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Speaker 12: a reliable outlet for the quarterback. So to me, there

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Speaker 12: just isn't enough talent on offense yet, no matter who

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Speaker 12: the quarterback is, and that's going to take time. Like this,

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Speaker 12: this draft class without standing, there needs another draft class,

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Speaker 12: another free Asian class to kind of get the offense

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Speaker 12: where it needs to go.

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Speaker 2: Tom Telasco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, former

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Speaker 2: Chargers and Raiders general manager. I want to talk about

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Speaker 2: one of your former teams, the Raiders. They've now fired

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Speaker 2: two thirds of their coordinators within the last month, and

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Speaker 2: after that loss to the Browns, Chip Kelly ousted last night.

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Speaker 2: How does how does that happen for an NFL team,

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Speaker 2: especially in a first year situation where you've ousted your

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Speaker 2: special teams coordinator and your offensive coordinator and we're just

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Speaker 2: two thirds of the way through the year.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean certainly not ideal. You know, the Raiders

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Speaker 12: are really results oriented team, probably bit more than process oriented,

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Speaker 12: and the wins just haven't been there. And I really

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Speaker 12: when they hired Pete Carroll, I thought it was a

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Speaker 12: good hire. I still think it's a good hire at

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Speaker 12: the time for the situation and what he can bring

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Speaker 12: some stability to the to the club. And I like

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Speaker 12: the Chip Kelly higher at the time. I think Chip

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Speaker 12: is now standing offensive coach. So but it just it

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Speaker 12: just hasn't clicked. It hasn't worked, unfortunately. So you know,

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Speaker 12: they still have some games left here to see what

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Speaker 12: they can get together. That the defense has played relatively

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Speaker 12: well throughout this year, and offensively, they they're opening game

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Speaker 12: against the Patriots against a good defense. I thought their

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Speaker 12: offense played really, really well. I thought that was going

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Speaker 12: to be take some stepping stones from that game. It

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Speaker 12: just has gone the other way. For whatever reason. They showed,

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Speaker 12: you know, week one that they could move to football

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Speaker 12: against a good team, but it just hasn't clicked. And yeah,

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Speaker 12: we're going to kind of see, you know, from the

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Speaker 12: rest of the year out I know, how they play,

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Speaker 12: how the results are, and then we'll find out at

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Speaker 12: the end of the year what path they end up taking.

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Speaker 12: But that's a unique situation there. That's why I thought

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Speaker 12: Pete would be a really good hire. Veteran coach can

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Speaker 12: handle the situation because it is really it's a bit

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Speaker 12: of a rebuild. It just it is what it is.

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Speaker 12: They still need a lot of talent on that offense

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Speaker 12: and defense. But we'll kind of see where it heads.

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Speaker 4: Tom.

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Speaker 5: We got a tight rates coming down the stretcher with

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Speaker 5: both divisions NFC and AFC, and there's going to be

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Speaker 5: a team that a lot of a lot of us

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Speaker 5: picked in both divisions that are not going to make

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Speaker 5: the playoffs. Would you go on the limb right now

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Speaker 5: and say, out of both conferences, which team you think

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Speaker 5: is on the verge of not possibly making the playoffs

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Speaker 5: that we, you know, as people that covered the league,

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Speaker 5: thought would be in the playoff race or in the

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Speaker 5: playoff playoff position.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, it was funny. One of my kids yesterday,

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Speaker 12: I said, you look at the AFC standings, it looks

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Speaker 12: like it's like two thousand and six with the Patriots exactly.

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Speaker 4: That's my year.

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Speaker 12: So you know, even you know, watching Kansas City yesterday,

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Speaker 12: I mean they got to six and five. It wasn't

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Speaker 12: the previous of games. I mean, they ran like ninety plays,

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Speaker 12: which is amazing. They just couldn't get any explosive plays.

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Speaker 12: And maybe that's a little bit of Colts defense too,

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Speaker 12: but it's just it's hard for me to imagine with

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Speaker 12: Patrick Mahomes and then having one of the most creative

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Speaker 12: offensive coordinators with with Andy Reid, and then the speed

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Speaker 12: they have a receiver, and still having a savvy Kelsey

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Speaker 12: that they just couldn't get the ball downfield and make

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Speaker 12: any big plays. But they made it enough to keep

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Speaker 12: driving the ball to put up enough points and they

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Speaker 12: played really good defense in the second half. But you know,

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Speaker 12: they're still on the outside looking in with some pretty

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Speaker 12: good teams in front of them. So it would just

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Speaker 12: be it would just be poetic justice that the one

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Speaker 12: year I'm out of the AFC West, I'm not with

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Speaker 12: the Charge and or the Raiders anymore. The year now

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Speaker 12: decide we're going to take a step back make the playoffs.

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Speaker 12: But they're still in it. But man, it's gonna be

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Speaker 12: a tough rope right even at six and five right

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Speaker 12: now to kind of get back in there unless some

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Speaker 12: other teams falter above them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's on the records and the teams.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it is a who's who of who's on the bubble,

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Speaker 2: that is for sure, even in the NFC, on the

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Speaker 2: outside looking in right now in the playoff picture. Tom,

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Speaker 2: we appreciate the time, have a great Thanksgiving and can't

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Speaker 2: wait to talk to you after week thirteen.

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Speaker 12: Thanks so much, Yes, guys, Thanksgiving to both of you. Guys.

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Speaker 2: We'll keep you up to date of how things go

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Speaker 11: This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 3: Hello Isaac, Hello, Dan and Carrie.

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Speaker 13: In as far as our subject, as Pete Carroll once

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Speaker 11: Big deal, little deal, no deal?

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Speaker 13: Speaking of Pete Carroll here and the Raiders firing Chip

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Speaker 13: to two and nine. Big deal, little deal or no deal.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a little deal. And the reason being

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Speaker 2: is I'm not necessarily surprised that the Raiders are going

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Speaker 2: with an offensive line that's completely banged up. It may

651
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: not be fair, but the Raiders are a mess anyway.

652
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: I don't know how long for the job Pete Carroll is.

653
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: I mean, realistically, it's not like you're just gonna be

654
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: there eight years. He's not gonna be eighty on the

655
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: sidelines like you have to win now. So I get

656
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: the sense of urgency trying to already plan for next

657
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: year by making changes this year. That's why I say

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Speaker 2: it's a little deal.

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Speaker 5: Pete Carroll's like one of those those guys that you

660
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 5: look at and you play Little League baseball and you're like, man,

661
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 5: that guy looks that guy looks older. But in this case,

662
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 5: Pete Carroll's the reverse of that. So he made Coachhi

663
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 5: till he's eighty because he's going to look sixty. So

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Speaker 5: I think he's still in there. But for me, I

665
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 5: think this is a big deal. And I say it's

666
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 5: a big deal because of what you just said a

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00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 5: little bit there with this guy was one of the

668
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 5: highest paid oc in the league, and you don't need

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Speaker 5: to give him a full year to be with that

670
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 5: team in an offense and to get it better. I mean,

671
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 5: the team is not a good team, so the solely

672
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 5: put it on him.

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00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 4: It's just it's a big deal.

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00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 13: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers believe that Baker Mayfield suffered a

675
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 13: sprained ac joint in his left shoulder, which is his

676
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 13: non throwing shoulder, in their Sunday Night football to the Rams,

677
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 13: he will have an MRI today. Big deal, little deal

678
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 13: or no deal.

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00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say no deal.

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00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 5: It's no deal for a little pain for a tough

681
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 5: guy like Baker, you know what I mean.

682
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 4: Think he'll be fine. He won't be a Baker with

683
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Speaker 4: his left hand.

684
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 5: That may be a problem, but he'll be able to

685
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 5: throw the ball and he does have to be a

686
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 5: little smarter with this running, which he will be.

687
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: I'll say this, I think it's a big deal.

688
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: I am gonna go completely opposite carry because of the

689
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: throw that we saw at the end of the first

690
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: half where he was wincing in pain, and I don't

691
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: know if it was because it was the same stadium.

692
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: But remember Carson Wentz just got completely crushed in a

693
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: game earlier this year at so Far And to see

694
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: what now Baker Mayfield had to do last night in

695
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: throwing a pass and immediately going down again. He threw

696
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: the pass with his right arm and immediately grabbed his

697
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: left shoulder. That's not a great sign. So even though

698
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: the news was good on the injury, yeah, I don't

699
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: think it's a great sign for the Buccaneers, who are

700
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: now teetering atop the NFC South as the Panthers are

701
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: hot on their heels.

702
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 13: Yes, the Detroit Lions had to rally from a ten

703
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 13: point fourth quarter deficit to send the game to overtime

704
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 13: against the Giants yesterday. They eventually prevailed, but the Giants

705
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 13: came in with a two and nine record. Big deal,

706
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 13: little deal or no deal that it took so much

707
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 13: for the Giants to the Lions to beat the Giants

708
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 13: at home in overtime yesterday.

709
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say no deal. I just think this is

710
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: who the Lions are, and I think that's who the

711
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: Giants are. Lions packers on Thanksgiving should be entertaining, But

712
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a game on the schedule

713
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: the rest of the way that you can look at

714
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: the Lion and be like, that's a for sure win

715
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: because of how up and down they are. Just in

716
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: the highlight we add of our tyrect player of the

717
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 2: day of Jamior Gibbs going crazy. Yeah, that's awesome when

718
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: he does that. Well, what happens when they don't and

719
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: they can't stop anybody? So I'm saying no deal.

720
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna say little deal.

721
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 5: And I'll say it's a little deal because, like you

722
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 5: just said, they've been up and down, but two weeks

723
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 5: in a row they haven't been really good to me.

724
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 5: So we can talk about the Giants being the giants

725
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 5: and being tough, which they are. They're playing with house

726
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 5: money right now. But for the Lions, it's a bigger

727
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 5: it's a bigger picture. Here is this becoming a trend

728
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 5: and this is not the trend you want to have.

729
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 13: The defending Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles blow a twenty

730
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 13: one to nothing lead and lost at Dallas yesterday. It

731
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 13: broke a four game winning streak. There's still eight and

732
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 13: three overall on the season. The events in Dallas yesterday

733
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 13: for the Super Bowl champion Eagles. Big deal, little deal

734
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 13: or no deal.

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00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 3: Woo.

736
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say little de I mean, obviously they're still

737
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 5: at the top of that division, but so much turmoil

738
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 5: in Philly and I don't know if they're going to

739
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 5: be able to course correct that. But we'll see here

740
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 5: in the next couple of weeks. So Jalen hurts, I

741
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 5: think it's a I think it's a big deal. Jalen

742
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 5: Hurts through for two hundred and eighty nine yards in

743
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 5: the contest. Aj Brown got eight for one hundred and

744
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 5: ten in a touchdown, DeVante Smith six for eighty nine,

745
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 5: but Saquan had ten carries for twenty two yards.

746
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: A costly fumble. That's how you win. You win with

747
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley. And I almost feel that there's times when

748
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: you're like, if you're Nick Siriani, we don't have a

749
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 2: lot of sympathy for empathy for because I just take

750
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: his attitudes whack. However, in trying to all right, now,

751
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: we got to make aj Brown happy this game. Yeah,

752
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: now we've got to make this person happy. What do

753
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 2: you do with Saquon? And if they don't run the ball,

754
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: they're not going to win no, and so that's how

755
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: you lose the twenty one nothing lead. Kerry called it yesterday,

756
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: twenty one nothing in the second quarter, carries like this

757
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 2: game is not over.

758
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 3: It's far from over.

759
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: Twenty four unanswered points later, and then it was over

760
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 2: in Favorite Dallas.

761
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 13: Final item on this edition of Big Deal, a Little

762
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Speaker 13: Deal or No Deal comes from college football? Is it

763
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 13: a big deal, a little deal or no Deal that

764
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 13: USC got pummeled soundly by Oregon this weekend?

765
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 2: I think it's I think that it's a big deal

766
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: because again, it's USC not rising to the occasion and

767
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: they are becoming an afterthought when you're talking about the

768
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 2: who's who of college football, and when you start talking

769
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: about them as the real deal, it sounds fake and phony.

770
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 5: I agree big deal as well, don't. I just don't

771
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 5: think they're They're not the same big time program that

772
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 5: we used to and I think that's when you watch them,

773
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 5: you don't even expect them to win those games.

774
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 3: That's game time.

775
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 5: Game.

776
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 11: This is game time on the dog God leaves you Hear.

777
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 2: That exchange that Lincoln Riley had with the reporter. Sporter

778
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 2: asked an awful question about a college game day sign

779
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: and the reporter asked, how does it feel that Oregon

780
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 2: fans want you to stay?

781
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: At USC

782
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: Asks that question, That's how times are right now in Troy,