WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Movin' On Up 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.439 Hi, get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:10.360 the Bengals Booth podcast the We'll We're Moving On Up 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:13.600 edition as we take an in depth look at the 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:16.840 Bengals draft class with one of the best analyst in football, 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:20.720 Greg ko Sell from NFL Films and the ESPN Matchup Show. 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.040 Did the Bengals get it right by taking Jamar Chase 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:28.880 fifth overall instead of Piney Sewell? Greg ko Sell says yes. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:32.800 We'll discuss that and much more. Plus I'll spend a 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.720 few minutes with second round draft pick Jackson Carmen, and 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:39.080 then my broadcast partner Dave Lapham joins me to discuss 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:42.199 the Bengals Ring of Honor ballot and answer the questions 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:46.120 you submitted on Twitter. The Bengals Booth Podcast is presented 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.400 by bud Light Seltzer. Refresh the game, and here's a 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.960 quick reminder that you can have the latest edition of 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.600 this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.880 by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify, or pod 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:05.119 It's the greatest thing since my mom. Since Mother's Day 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.039 is this weekend, I want to take a moment to 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.400 say how grateful I am to be the son of 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:12.520 Diane Bailey. One of the reasons I followed my childhood 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.199 dream of becoming a sports broadcaster is that my mom 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.800 is the type of person who decides that she wants 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:21.160 to do something and then goes for it. Although she 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:25.080 did not attend college, she's been successful in multiple careers, 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:29.320 including interior design and buying and selling antiques. When she 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.759 was younger, she dabbled in acting, and after turning seventy, 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.960 she decided to learn how to play the cello, all 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:41.000 while raising five extremely lucky kids. So happy Mother's Day, Mom, 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:45.920 and thanks. Now let's get to football. There are a 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.880 few things more worthless than instantaneous NFL draft grades. It 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.639 generally takes about three years to have a good sense 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:56.400 of how productive a team's draft is, and yet every year, 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.200 the first thing I do on the Sunday morning after 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:02.240 the draft check out every draft grade I can find. 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:06.240 I just can't help myself. This year, the Bengals mostly 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:10.000 got b pluses and bees, and often got dinged for 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.160 not taking Penney Sewell in the first round. But one 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.560 of the opinions I value most belongs to Greg ko Sell, 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.560 and he says the Bengals got it right, all right, 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.360 This is a real treat for me and the listeners 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.200 of this podcast, an opportunity to discuss the draft and 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.520 free agency with a great Greg coo Sell. You did 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.040 in depth scouting reports on six of the players that 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:35.120 the Bengals wound up drafting. Let's start with Jamar Chase. 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.000 You had him ranked as the number one wide receiver 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.520 in this year's draft. In your scouting report, the word 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:46.080 physical appears seven times. The words strong or strength appear 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:49.120 six times. Is that what jumped off the screen when 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:53.320 you study Jamar Chase? That? And competitive? That was probably 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.360 another word that you noticed on my scouting report. I 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.000 really loved watching him. I actually watched him last summer. 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.760 I did not know that he would sit out the season. Hey, 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:03.280 last summer, I didn't even know if there would be 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.640 a season, So but I so I watched him last summer. 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.079 I really loved his tape. And as you know, Dan, 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.480 everything I talk about comes from just pure tape study. 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.280 I don't meet the players. I don't know all their backgrounds. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.200 I'm sitting in my office. Last year, I was home 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.120 for obvious reasons. But I sit in my office at 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:24.320 NFL Films, and I watched tape and I loved Chase 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.639 this game. I loved his competitiveness. I loved the way 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.640 he defeated press coverage, which he'll do have to do 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:31.720 in the NFL. He play a lot of boundary X, 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:34.359 which means he lined up on the ball, and you 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.760 get press when you're on the ball and the corner 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.080 is closer to you, so you have to be able 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:43.760 to win against press. He ran a ton of slants, 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.480 and keep in mind the NFL game, Now you know 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.880 there's a ton of RPOs, there's a ton of quick game, 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.280 and you run a lot of those quick inbreakers, the 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.320 three step slants or the five step glance routes they 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.160 call them. And he could take it to the house. 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:01.400 He was very competitive run after cat as you saw 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.680 in my notes that I don't sit around after I 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:05.960 watch a player dan and say, who does he remind 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.520 me of? It either hits me or it doesn't hit me. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.320 And I thought there was some Steve Smith in his game, 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:15.480 just a competitive intensity with which he played. I thought 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.400 it was tremendous. I loved his tape and I think 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.520 that he'll be a really good player, And say what 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.240 you will, but I thought, what he did at his 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.800 Pro day speaks to his commitment because he didn't play 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.520 football this year, and he came out obviously had been 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.400 training hard and had put up phenomenal Pro day numbers. 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.679 As I think you know, there was a huge debate 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:40.160 among Bengals fans as to whether they were team Sewel 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.120 or team Chase. Should the Bengets go for the offensive 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.640 lineman and round one or for the wide receiver in 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:49.200 round one? Did you have strong feelings? I did? To me, 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:54.880 Chase is truly special, and I think that you needed 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.599 him more that you could get an offensive lineman later 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.320 as they did. We'll discuss Jackson and Carmen shortly. But 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.200 I like Sue a lot. There's nothing not to like 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.240 about Tony Sewell. I just think when you have a 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:11.560 chance to get a player who is a true game breaker, 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.960 and you know the nature of the NFL now, as 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:18.279 you know Dan is offensively, what are you trying to 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.120 do create explosive plays? Defensively? What are you trying to 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.760 do stop explosive plays? That's the NFL game, and that's 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:28.200 the cliff notes version. And I just think that the 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:32.000 warrant receivers as good as Chase the drop off was 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.919 much bigger, whereas the drop off to me, and I 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.599 know others disagree. That's fine, you know. I like to 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.720 think reasonable people can disagree, you know. But I thought 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.960 the drop off with sewell to other tackles as you 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.640 move through the second round was not going to be 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:52.080 as great as the drop off for me between Chase 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.520 and the receivers that would be there in the second round. 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.279 The Bengals have two really good receivers already, and Tyler 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:02.039 Boyd and t Higgins beneath neither guy has great speed 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:06.159 and Chase does. How important is that? Well, you'd always 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.560 like to have a guy that can be a vertical 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:10.960 dimension and that can change the way the defense plays, 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.719 because ultimately, you know what you're trying to do. And 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.039 I think Burrow is is great at this to begin with. 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:17.920 This was one of the things that came out in 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:19.880 his interviews at the Combine when I spoke to a 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.760 lot of coaching friends of mine. Burrow is really smart 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.560 to begin with. But what you're trying to do, as 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.479 you know, is you're always trying to give the quarterback 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.120 as much information as possible before the snap of the ball. 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.440 The great ones win before the snap of the ball, 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:37.240 Burrow will be that guy. But now you have You know, 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.320 Higgins played a lot of X last year, but I 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.719 think Chase is truly an X. Higgins you can move 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.360 him around. We know Boyd is phenomenal in the slot. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:49.160 He has been for years. So they really have a 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:54.560 nice trio of receivers that you know. Obviously, Chase could 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.760 also move around. You know you can. You can put 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.279 Higgins in Chase wherever you want them. So this is 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:03.840 now a really interesting receiving corps because Higgins is big. 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.400 Chase is not small, but he's obviously smaller than Higgins. 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.000 I'd be pretty excited if I was a Bengals fan 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.760 about this receiving corps and with Burrow coming back. We're 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.080 talking to the great Greg co Sell from NFL Films 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.600 and the NFL Matchup Show on ESPN. Let's move on 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.600 to Jackson Carmen. The Bengals traded back in the second 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.560 round and got him at number forty six. You wrote 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.840 that he can be a quality starter in the NFL. 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.400 What do you like most? Yeah, I like Carmen. You know, 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:32.000 it's funny. I was on a little bit of a 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:35.280 rampage before the draft because you always hear people say, 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.800 well he's a guard, and you heard that with Jackson Carmen. 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:39.720 But you know, at the end of the day, dan As, 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.320 you know, you got to line up with sixty four 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:45.120 offensive tackles every week. Not everybody is Joe Thomas. Not 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.200 everybody has sweet feed in the perfect length. You know, 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.000 there's just not fifty Joe Thomas's, so you gotta still 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.880 line up with tackles and Jackson Carmen. You know, actually 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:56.800 I believe he's from Ohio, and I think he was 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.800 a big time high school player in Ohio. You would 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.080 know that better than I. Our Field, Ohio as a 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.080 Cincinnati suburb essentially. Well, there you go. So I knew 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.320 he was from Ohio. I just don't exactly where. But 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.920 I kind of liked Carmen. I mean, you know, I 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.240 think he's physical. I think he's aggressive. People will discuss 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.000 the arm length, which is a little bit less than 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.880 what is considered ideal for an offensive tackle. I think 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.360 people like to start at thirty three inches. He was 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.680 thirty two and a half. You know, I made this 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.560 point in my notes. He kind of reminded me of 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.280 Jack Conklin coming out of Michigan State, and you know, 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.640 Conklin's a certain kind of tackle and Carmen would be 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:36.839 a certain kind of tackle. But I think, as I said, 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:38.920 with a lot more of the short passing game, the 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.480 quick throws, I believe Burrow will be the kind of 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.400 quarterback as he develops that can make an offensive line 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:47.320 better because of the way in which he plays. I 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.000 think Carmen is a tackle, and I think they I mean, 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.760 they drafted him to be a tackle, did they not. 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.120 He's going to compete for a starting guard spot as 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.040 a rookie, but Riley Reef only signed a one year deal, 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.040 so the expectations maybe he plays a year at guard 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.360 and then kicks out to tackle. Well, I'll tell you what. 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.360 The thing, one thing that really stood out watching this 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:09.400 kid was a very tenacious playing personality, very competitive, a 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.080 little nasty, which you know that always as you know, 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:16.200 plays well on the offensive line room. So I spoke 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:20.680 to former Bengals offensive line coach Paul Alexander, who some time, yeah, 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.079 he worked with Jackson Carmen to get ready for the draft, 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.520 and he told me something you'll find interesting. He said 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.120 that thirty two and a half inch measurement was incorrect. 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.680 He measured Jackson Carmen, and he said there was another 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:37.120 measurement done independently of him after that thirty two and 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.040 a half that was published that says that Jackson Carmen's 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.640 arms are actually thirty three and a quarter. So I wonder, 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:45.840 based on your film study, if he looked like a 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.920 guy who has better reach than maybe that widely publicized 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:54.800 thirty two and a half length would indicate. Yeah, I'm 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.600 not an offensive line guru. I'll be totally honest with you. 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.800 I mean and Paul, I know Paul Alexander, he's see phenomenal. 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.600 I don't know what that difference means, Dan, I really don't. 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.200 A lot of studies have been done. I know Joe 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.000 Banner has done studies. I'm sure all teams do studies 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.440 of over the years of if arm length is truly 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.240 a factor. I don't. I haven't done those studies. I 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.000 don't have that kind of time, you know, to do that. 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.400 I don't work for a team. But so I don't 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.199 know what the difference ultimately would be between thirty two 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.040 and a half and thirty three and a quarter in 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:29.360 terms of your evaluation of the player. You know what 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:33.040 his traits are on tape. I don't think change and 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.160 I really like the player on tape, so you know, 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.959 I think he's a really good run blocker. He's physical, 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:43.079 he's competitive. I thought some of his weaknesses did occur 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.199 in pass protection, and there will definitely be some as 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.240 you know, that will say, oh, he's a guard for sure, 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:50.360 not even don't even put him a tackle, And who 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.880 knows how that'll play out. You know, maybe he starts 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.079 at guard and he has a phenomenal year and they 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:56.960 feel like he's a guard. You know, it could work 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.679 out that way. Let's move on to the next two 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.400 picks in the third round. Joseph Osai from Texas in 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:06.479 the fourth round, Bengals first fourth round Pickcam sample from Tulane. 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:11.440 A couple of defensive lineman slash edge rushers. With both players, 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:16.320 you raved about the intensity that you saw on every snap. Yeah, 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.240 Joseph Asai was kind of nuts. I mean, he played 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.920 so freaking hard. I think he's got some work to 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.319 do to develop as a pass rusher. Don't forget, as 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:30.200 you probably know, the year prior at Texas, he was 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.360 a stacked backer. He was an off the ball player, 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.480 and he got moved in this past year to basically 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:40.160 being an on the ball outside linebacker. So you know, 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.160 I think he's got some work to do when you 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:47.640 talk about his ability to rush the quarterback. But if 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.280 you want to talk about a guy that plays like 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.720 his pants are on fire, I mean this guy. The 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:54.840 first thing you notice is how many plays he makes 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:59.480 just running around, and I mean unbelievable. But he's got 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:03.080 heavy hand ends. I think that's a good start. He's 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:06.960 got a strong body. I just think he needs work. 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:11.280 When you talk about the skill set that's necessary to 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.000 rush the quarterback, I think he needs work in the 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.560 technique of that because he doesn't have a lot of 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.800 experience doing it. You know, every once in a while 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.080 you'd see a flash where he showed some good hand usage, 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.679 where he showed some mend and ability to corner. But 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:30.240 those are things that need development. But you just love 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:35.560 his playing personality, his relentless competitiveness snap after snap. I 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.199 mean a few defensive players I looked at. I probably 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.960 looked at overall, not just defensive players, probably two hundred 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:42.800 and twenty five guys this year. You know, I'm a 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.240 one man scouting service, Dan, so you know I did 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:49.240 about two hundred and twenty five guys. So, but his 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.720 his level of intensity just you know, you love watching 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.600 the kid play football. I mean, you love to have 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:58.360 those guys because you can teach technique, you can teach 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:01.160 certain things. You it's very, very hard to teach guys 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.319 that don't play hard all the time to play hard 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.280 all the time. And did you see similar things in 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.360 Camp Sample? I loved Cam Sample by the way I mean, 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.120 And to be honest with you, he was a guy 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.480 I knew nothing about. Touline had two guys. They had 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.960 Cam Sample and Patrick Johnson. And Patrick Johnson got drafted late. 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:20.920 I liked him a lot too. I thought he was 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.200 better than already got drafted by the Eagles. But but 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.800 Cam Sample, I really liked his statement. He grew on 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:30.320 me because Cam Sample is not an explosive, oh my 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:35.880 god kind of player, another guy super competitive as a 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:41.040 pass rusher, just were lentless speed, velocity, not bendy necessarily 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.960 you know, or flexible. You know who reminded me of Unfortunately, 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.640 he weighs fifteen twenty pounds less so and that's a factor. 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.080 He really reminded me and made me think of Cameron 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:53.800 Jordan of the Saints. I mean, I thought he was 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:58.080 a very similar player stylistically, neither one or not. Guys 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.040 who wouldn't necessarily with their first movie. They wint more 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.080 with their secondary move they wint with hand placement, They 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.640 wouldn't with a feel for leverage and timing and paller. 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.040 I really liked camp Sample's game. I mean, to me, 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:13.720 if he was fifteen pounds heavier, he could have been 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.920 a top forty pick, you know. And and by the way, 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.520 his athletic testing numbers were really really good. All right, 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.720 let's wrap up with two more offensive lineman. After selecting 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.840 Jackson Carmen, they came back to the old line and 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.640 drafted Deante Smith to tackle a lot of ECU and 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.440 Trey Hill, a center from Georgia. How about your thoughts 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.400 on those two guys and their potential to develop. Yeah, 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.080 I think Smith is one of those guys. He's a 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:39.120 potential guy because he's he's long, He's got a lean 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.880 athletic frame. He does have long arms, if that matters 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.080 to me. He's a player you draft based on his 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.000 athletic and movement traits with the idea of what you 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.360 hope he can become with coaching and experience. I think 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.520 his balance was not very good. I think his body 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.760 control was not very good. You know, I think overall, 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:02.960 his his fundamental nique needs work. So you draft a guy. 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:06.360 He's got very good traits. The issue will be his 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.640 his weight from when I ready played under three hundred. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.320 I guess he got the three oh five on his 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:15.720 pro day. Whether he can play at that time will tell. Obviously, 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.040 being in an NFL weight room now will be different. 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.480 But you know, there were positive signs in his game, 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.600 but I think there were also a lot of things where, 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.120 if you're an online coaches say hey, we need to 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.200 work on that. And then Trey Hill. You know, Trey Hills, 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.280 the Georgia kid, obviously played a high level of college football. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:35.800 I kind of like Trey Hill. You know. Again, centers 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.160 are hard, and I'll be the first to admit they're 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:43.080 even They're hard for me to evaluate. But he also 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:44.920 you could see him at guard too. I guess do 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.640 they see him at center. I think they see him 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:51.000 at center, but he'll obviously, you know, cross train at 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.760 the guard end center spots. Yeah, I mean he played 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.920 a strong man's game, Dan, you know, power strength. I 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:58.760 mean there were someone on one blocks in which he 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.760 took d tackles to the g and we're talking to 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:04.520 the SEC. I think he's got some movement ability too. 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.880 You know again, centers are very hard for me to 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.480 understand as to where do they get drafted. You know, 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:14.560 that's one of those positions unless you're just exceptionally special. 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.960 I don't know how that works how teams see centers, 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.640 but I think another guy. You know, they drafted a 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:26.680 lot of guys that really play hard, and I'm sure 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:30.600 that was a particular thing within the organization that hey, 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:34.840 we want guys with a really really outstanding playing personalities 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.400 and relentless competitiveness, and you know, you've always feel you 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.560 can teach those guys some technique things, but you really, 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.840 you know, playing like that's in a guy's DNA usually, 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.680 and the Hill's another guy just like that. We're talking 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:50.720 to Greg Cosell. I've only got you for a couple 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.680 more minutes, so let's hit free agency real quickly. The 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.160 Bengals were big spenders for the second year in a row. 0:16:56.280 --> 0:17:01.360 Trey Hendrickson, Larry Ogan, Joebi chitabay A Wooze, Mike Hilton, 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.960 Eli Apple, Riley Reef, What are your thoughts and some 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.160 of the guys that the Bengals added. There's a couple 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.800 of names there, but I love I always loved Mike Hilton. 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:14.760 Loved Mike Hiltons, you know, at his best, a terrific 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.520 slot corner, and that's what he is. He's a slot corner, 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.280 arguably the best blitzing slot corner in the NFL. But 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:25.480 smaller guy, but tough, competitive, physical, will play the run, 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.440 willing to mix it up. Like I said, a great blitzer. 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:31.760 To me. When I saw they signed Mike Hilton, I 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:33.399 thought that was, you know, one of those under the 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.920 radar guys. No one's gonna say, wow, Mike Hilton's an 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.240 All Pro or Hall of Famer, but I just think 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.600 another guy. It just seems to me, and you know, 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.119 you're closer to the organization than I am, but it 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:47.080 seems to me they're really trying to build with guys 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.960 who were super competitive, you know. I mean it goes 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.560 back to their draft choice. We talked about that, Jamar Chase, 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.200 you know, great example would pick one. That they're trying 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.800 to get guys who just have relentless competitiveness and energy 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.520 and intensity and you know, it's it's really good to 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.840 have those guys. I mean, I think Hendrickson is another 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.240 great example of that. I know, he had ten plus sacks. 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.320 No one would sit here and say, boy, that guy 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:14.199 has unbelievable athletic and physical traits. I mean, they're obviously 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.760 above average, but I think when all said and done, 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.760 you're dealing with a guy that is super intense, super competitive, 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.199 gets a lot of secondary sacks because he, you know, 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:27.120 just doesn't give up. I mean, they seem to be 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.719 developing a type here. Is that something that you know, 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.439 you've talked with people about that has that been a 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:37.080 defining mandate within the organization, no question about it, particularly 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:40.119 with this year's draft. You know, last year, every player 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.720 they drafted except for one, was the captain of his 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:46.639 college teams. Like last year was the character year, and 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:50.520 this year it seems like it's the effort, motor intensity year. 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:55.640 I mean that's you know, you looks every draft pick 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.240 going to hit. Of course not not. That just doesn't happen, 0:18:58.240 --> 0:18:59.800 and we can't sit here and say which ones will 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:03.000 or won't. But the point is is a lot of 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.119 people truly believe that playing with the intensity of a 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:11.320 guy like Chase or Joseph Asai or Hendrickson or Mike Hilton. 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.440 You know, talking about the free agents that that can't 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:17.760 be taught, that that's in your DNA, and they really 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.800 have focused on that. And again, there's many reasons why 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.000 teams win in lose. I mean, obviously, if Joe Burrow 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.760 is back healthy and becomes a great, great player. Hey, 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:28.960 the quarterback in this league. We know he drives a 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.240 lot of things. But you know, they're building a team 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:36.480 here of high intensity players and I just think it's 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:40.760 a general principle that's a good thing. If I had 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.880 twenty hours with you instead of twenty minutes, I would 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.040 use them all. But you've been very generous with your 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:48.080 time and you've got a lot of things on your plate, 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:49.760 so I'll let you go. Thank you so much for 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.520 doing this. I know my audience loves it. Dan, I 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:56.200 really appreciate it. Thanks for asking me. It's an awesome 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:58.880 day when you get to talk football with Greg ko Sell. 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.200 Greg was enough to send me his written scouting reports 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.880 on the six Bengals draft picks he studied this year, 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:08.360 including Jackson Carmen. He wrote that the Bengal second round 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:12.400 draft pick is quote competitive and intense with a little 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.840 bit of a nasty streak. Jackson helped lead the Clemson 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:19.000 Tigers to a thirty nine and three record during his career, 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:23.040 three appearances in the College Football Playoff and a national 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.119 championship as a freshman. For the last two years, he 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:29.520 started every game at left tackle, protecting the blindside of 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.680 the number one pick in this year's draft, Trevor Lawrence, 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:36.040 and now he's coming home. I talked to the former 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.679 Fairfield High school standout this week. So you were the 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:43.080 Bengal second round draft pick this year. Your Clemson teammate 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:46.560 and friend T Higgins was the Bengal second round draft 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:50.160 pick last year. And when T was drafted, he surprised 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:52.359 some of us by saying that the Bengals were his 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.920 dream team. We didn't realize that about him, but he's 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:58.760 a Bengals fan and has been for years because Aj 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:02.159 Green was his football hero. In your case, was this 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.520 also the dream scenario for you to get the opportunity 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.760 to play professionally so close to home, Yes, sir, just 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:10.480 to be able to be close to my family and 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:11.960 to be able to be a part of such a 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.760 rich tradition of officsive alignment and to be in such 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:17.840 a saying unique city in the country. I thought, this 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.480 is definitely a best case scenarios. I'm super excited to 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.520 be home. And how about the members of your family, 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:27.160 They're beyond excited. Words can't explain you know what I mean. 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:30.159 So you have a tie, a good tie to one 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.840 of the greatest offensive lineman ever to play for the Bengals, 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:36.360 Willie Anderson. You worked extensively with Willie in the run 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:38.640 up to the draft. What are some of the most 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:40.960 important things you've learned from him and just share a 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.399 little bit about that relationship. Yeah, Willie's been an awesome 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.640 mentor to me, and we first met at the Nike 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.439 opening in Beaverton, Oregon when he was coaching there. And 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:51.840 just being able to see someone who's been through it 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:53.760 all at the highest level and being able to learn 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.360 from him and pick apart things from his brains has 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:59.320 been ultimate blessing. To have someone like that in your corner, 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:01.920 It really is truly awesome. So I've been able to 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:05.800 learn things from just like mentality and professionalism and more 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:08.840 so like philosophical things, and also just like technique and 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:10.920 work and you know what, I'm saying different things that 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:13.040 go in tie In's office, ave line place. So it's 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:14.800 been really good to be able to work with coach Willie. 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:19.879 Did you have a strong feeling that the Bengals might 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:24.000 draft you? I definitely knew it was a possibility, you 0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:25.840 know what I'm saying, from hearing a lot of different 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:29.240 teams and also knowing that the Bengals were projected to 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:32.120 be needing offensive lineman. It was definitely something that was discussed. 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:34.840 They made a trade in the second round, going down 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:38.200 from thirty eight to forty six. Did that influence you're 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.960 thinking at all? I definitely didn't know, Like I mean, like, 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:43.680 I'm not gonna sit here and say like, oh, I 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:45.879 knew everything was gonna be perfect, but like, it was 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.000 definitely interesting to see, you know what I'm saying, what 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:50.160 was going on behind the scenes, and just to think 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:53.400 about it. But I'm glad how everything turned out. As 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:56.119 I mentioned, you blocked for Trevor Lawrence in college. Now 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:59.040 you're going to a block for Joe Burrow in the NFL. 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.040 You face Joe in the National Championship Game a couple 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:05.119 of years ago. Unfortunately for you, he played out of 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:07.879 his mind and uls you won that game, But what 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:10.639 were your observations of Joe in the run up to 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:13.400 that game and during that game and your feelings about 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:16.480 him now? And one of my favorite things about watching 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:19.000 the players being able to see how intelligent they are 0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:21.240 and how they really just like have a feel for 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:23.600 the game. And when I watched Joe, just knowing just 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:26.159 how smart he is really just stands out, and the 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:28.480 decisions he's able to make and the speed and accuracy 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.120 that he plays with was really remarkable, and that's something 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:33.280 that obviously showed up in our game. So it's been 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:34.840 really cool to be able to watch his journey and 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:36.960 even more amazing to see how it sall came around 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:40.120 full circle. So I'm excited you are expected to come 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:43.400 in and compete for a starting spot at guard, immediately 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:47.000 making that transition from tackle to guard. I know you 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:49.639 played some guard in high school, but what are some 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.760 of the challenges associated with moving from tackle to guard? 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:56.360 Mostly predominantly just being more so in a three point 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:58.600 stands compared to a two point stands because in college 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:01.639 about nine my snaps with from a two point stands, 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:04.760 So just getting more comfortable taking snaps, taking passess out 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:06.960 of the three point stands and being more comfortable to that, 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:08.760 and also spitching over to the right side and getting 0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:10.640 more used to as well. But I think it's gonna 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:12.480 be a great transition on the site of her challenge. 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.680 What will you do between now and training camp to 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:18.720 further prepare yourself for the NFL. I'll definitely be training 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:20.480 every day. I'll be working with my coaches, you know 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:23.600 what I'm saying here at the Bengals, and also being 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:25.800 able to train with guys like Coach Willie and Coach 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:28.520 Paul and also do many weather of all really help 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:31.840 prepare me for the next level. Coach Paul former Bengals 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.960 offensive line coach Paul Alexander. He told me you worked 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:38.280 with him about ten times last year and leading up 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:41.920 to the draft. Did you learn anything particularly valuable from Paul? 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:45.200 I think Paul's just like Coach Willie, a legend in 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:47.640 his own right, and being able to learn all types 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:49.359 of things from him as far as is off the 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:52.200 feeling in on the field, but on the field specifically, 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:54.800 I think he's just really great technique coach. It really 0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.760 helps He's a great teacher. It really helps people understand 0:24:57.840 --> 0:24:59.560 what I'm saying what exactly they're supposed to be doing 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:02.560 so different things in past protection and as far as 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:05.320 is like footwork and hand placement, I think he's done 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:08.680 a great job. The roster has really turned over in 0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:11.280 the last couple of years, and there's really an impressive 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:15.320 young core now on this Cincinnati roster, yourself included. Do 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:17.200 you feel like you're kind of getting in on the 0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:21.000 ground floor of something special? Definitely, definitely. I think there's 0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:23.720 definitely something special clicking up here in Cincinnati and just 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:25.480 being able to see just all the different way you 0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:27.120 know what I'm saying, levels of talent, whether that we're 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:29.800 bringing in from all positions, and also just I think 0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:32.000 it's a really bright future for us. I know you 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:34.960 had back surgery in January. What did you have done 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:37.040 and how are you doing? I played the last five 0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:39.520 games with twenty twenty season with a herniated disc in 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:42.600 my back and I had surgery in January and since 0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:46.639 then I've done full rehab of rebilitation and training how 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:48.760 to pro day and honestly, I feel great. I'm far 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:52.119 ahead of where most people are after a surgery like that, 0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:54.680 and honestly, I'm just super excited to be able to 0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:57.800 get the work. Last question, Gen, you haven't signed your 0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:01.040 contract yet, so you do not have, you know, that 0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:03.560 nice signing bonus that I'm sure you're looking forward to. 0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:06.120 But do you have anything in mind for your first 0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:09.960 big purchase as a professional athlete. I think for my 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:14.159 first purchase, Man, probably probably just some skylines. To be 0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:17.000 honest with you, Man, skyl has been my favorites about 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:19.440 the Blue Kids, be able to go back there. You 0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:21.400 get a couple of season Cooney, some sky fires where 0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:24.040 I'm looking forward too. It's a good answer. You don't 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:27.520 even have to wait for the signing bonus. If you're 0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:31.360 watching this skyline, you know the call. The Bengals Booth 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:34.720 podcast is presented by bud Light Seltzer. It's light and 0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.520 refreshing with a hint of fruit flavor. On Thursday, the 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.560 Bengals announced the seventeen former players who will make up 0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.320 this year's Ring of Honor ballot. Two players will be 0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:47.399 voted in by season ticket members and Sweet owners and 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:49.800 will be added to Hall of Famers Paul Brown and 0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:53.800 Anthony Muno's to make up this year's inaugural class. I'm 0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:56.760 proud to say that one of the seventeen Bengals Grates 0:26:56.800 --> 0:26:59.520 on the Ring of Honor ballot is my broadcast partner 0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:04.440 day lap them, Congratulations, my friend and joining former teammates 0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:07.159 Ken Anderson and Ken Riley and more recent stars like 0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:10.680 Chad Johnson and Willie Anderson on the Ring of Honor ballot. 0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:12.680 Can you describe what it means to be on that 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:17.639 initial ballot? Humbling is the biggest word. You know. I 0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:22.040 think about all those players and the first thing I 0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:26.720 thought about when I saw the list is took me 0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:29.040 right back to nineteen eighty one. You know, when we 0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:31.800 had such good success. We had a lot of good 0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:35.560 players that really jelled and played well together. You know 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:38.199 that year eighty one and eighty two we had as 0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:40.800 many wins as any team in the National Football League. 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:44.280 You know, we won nineteen games regular season games in 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:46.880 those two years with strike shorten. The year was seven 0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:49.480 and two in nineteen eighty two after a twelve and 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:52.640 fourth season, and you know, it made the Super Bowl 0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:56.119 run in that nineteen eighty one season, and I mean, 0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:59.159 all the memories of those guys, you know, it's just 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:03.399 it just brought back full circle, like tremendous memories. And 0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:07.359 to be on a list with those guys was just 0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:10.760 humbling to say the least, There's no question about it. 0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:13.359 And you know, I just the other thing that it 0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:15.200 did was is I looked at all the guys on 0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:19.480 the list. It just made me realize how fortunate I 0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:22.960 am to have played with or covered all of them, 0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:26.280 you know, seeing them all play, it's it really has 0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:29.679 been a pure joy in that regard to a football junkie, 0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:32.000 you know, to be able to have lived the dream 0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:35.000 that she had as a kid to play in the league, 0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:37.560 and then to play, you know, a lengthy time and 0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:42.400 be on a Super Bowl team, and then getting into 0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:44.800 the broadcast side of it and still be associated with 0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:47.320 the game and see all these great players, and you know, 0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.600 having broadcast a Super Bowl that the team played in. 0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.600 I mean, those are like all all the things that 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:56.280 come flooding back to me when I start looking at 0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:59.880 the list of all these players, not only the seventeen 0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:04.120 on the ballot, but when the celebration of the fiftieth anniversary, 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:06.400 when all the guys started coming back and you know, 0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:09.520 have reunion time with all these guys, and it's like, man, 0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:13.120 it just it brought you back to you know, quite 0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:15.240 a while ago. Man, it brought you back to your youth. 0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:16.960 There's no question about it was a lot of fun. 0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.000 So as a season ticket holder, I'm going to have 0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:22.560 to recuse myself because I would go lap them, lap 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:26.680 them with my two picks as your friend and broadcast partners. 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:28.920 So we are going to put Sam Horde in charge 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:32.960 of the Horde family ballot, and he is leaning toward 0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:37.720 Ken and Ken Anderson and Riley, and that makes total sense. 0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:42.400 I mean, they're obviously guys that are on the fringe 0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:45.280 of and should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:48.400 And the two candidates that are in with Paul Brown 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:50.680 and Anthony Munos are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, 0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:52.800 the two guys that are on the start the ring 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:58.240 of Honor, so that more than worthy, to say the least. 0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:01.400 And two, you know, the Si hilarities. They played different 0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:06.400 positions obviously, but so many similarities in terms of you 0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:10.120 know them as people and not just football players. And 0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:12.800 Kenny Riley was a quarterback himself, you know, in college, 0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:17.120 so he had that he had such an unbelievable quiet 0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:20.880 swagger to him. You know, he was tremendously confident, but 0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:25.000 not the least bit cocky and Kenny Anderson the same way. 0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:32.520 The Ken's are special people as well as being special 0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:35.240 football players. Football I think it is just part of 0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:38.760 what those guys are though. And you know, Paul Brown, 0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:41.560 it would be proud of a lot of these guys 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:46.320 on all these lists because he was all about football 0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:49.680 is just the beginning of your work life, your work career. 0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:53.200 And he would always say, you know, now you have 0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:54.800 a chance to go to your life's work. When your 0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:57.600 football career was over, however was over, whether you were 0:30:57.640 --> 0:30:59.720 cut by everybody, retired, or whatever the case may be, 0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:02.920 and he would call it, you know, it was just 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.400 the beginning of your life's work and you have an 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:07.800 opportunity to begin your life's work in a very very 0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:09.440 positive way. What are you going to do after that? 0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:13.080 And so many of these guys, you know, reinvented themselves 0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:16.080 and had a good run with their life after football. 0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:17.720 I think Paul Brown would be very proud of that 0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.360 as well, no question about it. The Bengals have not 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.280 announced yet what the plan will be going forward. Will 0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:26.080 there be four more guys next year, will it be too, 0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.760 will it be a player every year going forward? We 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.000 don't know that yet, but I do know that at 0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:35.480 some point lap Them sixty two is going to be 0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:37.360 up on that wall, and that's going to be an 0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:40.600 awesome site. You know. You think about the fact that 0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:42.400 you know that it's it's going to be up there 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:46.240 for your kids to seeing your grandkids and your great grandkids, 0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:48.800 if you're lucky enough to be around for great grandkids whatever. 0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:51.560 That that part of it, you know, starts to starts 0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:54.200 to bog your mind a little bit. Um, you know, 0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:58.640 the legacy aspect of that kind of thing. Even just 0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:02.760 to be on the ballot is just stunning, really is. 0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:06.560 It's a it's a stunning situation. It really really makes 0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:08.920 you shake yourself a little bit. Well, it's a well 0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:12.480 deserved honor and I'm thrilled for you. Thank you. Let's 0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:14.880 move on to the draft. We've had about a week 0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.600 to reflect on the ten players that the Bengals selected. 0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:20.520 You've had some great conversations about the guys they picked 0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:23.800 on your podcast, You're in the Trenches podcast, which is awesome. 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:26.360 I have been binging now for a couple of weeks 0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:28.760 and it's great. What are some of your biggest takeaways 0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:31.560 on this a ten player group. Yeah, I think I 0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.840 think the fact that, Um, they did, you know, stick 0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.200 to their guns in terms of how they had their 0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:40.200 their board rated. I mean you look at it and, um, 0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:42.760 seven guys in the in the pits in the trenches. 0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:45.719 You know, it's, uh, that's that's kind of amazing. One 0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:50.520 wide receiver for down lineman as such, three offensive lineman, 0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.240 place kicker, and the running back. So in the nineteen 0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:57.000 or the twenty twenty draft, they went three linebackers, you 0:32:57.040 --> 0:32:59.960 know in that draft. So their board, they stayed true 0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:03.040 to their board. And people might say, oh, you know, well, 0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:06.280 how come they didn't draft the quarterback a cornerback? I 0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:08.840 should say, why wasn't a cornerback drafted? I'm sure they 0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:11.760 had every intention of maybe draft in one, but when 0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:16.000 it got to that point, you know, the board, you're 0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:19.000 not usually that far off, You're not fifteen picks off 0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:23.440 in terms of guys. So you know it's the guy 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:27.520 goes and you pick another. And they're heavily criticized for 0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:30.520 taking the place kicker in the fifth round. Well, you know, 0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:32.480 when they made the trade and got the additional two 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:34.480 fourth round picks, it made it easier to do that. 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:37.920 Darren Simmons knew he had to maybe pick around higher. 0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:41.360 He said that. So if there was one draftable kicker 0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.840 in the draft and everybody had him pegged to the 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.640 sixth rounder, go ahead and get him in the fifth. 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:49.080 Is there a mindset and make sure you get them 0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:50.360 and a guy that's going to put points in the 0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:53.160 board for you and all that sort of thing. And always, 0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.120 because Dan, we've been around each other for the draft 0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:58.440 many years now, how many times have we heard the 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.000 team say we had him as a fourth round guy, 0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:02.600 We get him in the fifth. We had him as 0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:04.760 a fifth round guy, get him in the sixth. Who knows? 0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:08.000 Maybe they had Hill and the kicker in the same 0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:10.960 type of value and they got both because he'll makes 0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:12.839 it to the sixth round, right, you know, the center 0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:14.920 guard that could have been the case or could have 0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:17.760 been the kicker, and somebody else that they got whenever 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:22.480 in the draft. So everybody's board is different. But all 0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:24.840 you can do is trust the way you were value it. 0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:27.600 You put a lot of time and spend a lot 0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:30.920 of resources in doing that, So why not live by 0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:33.920 your board? And that's what they've done. I asked somebody 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:36.480 from the front office the following question, how many times 0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:40.080 when you were on the clock, or actually, how many 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:43.400 times when you were almost on the clock did somebody 0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:46.920 get picked one or two spots ahead of you that 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.239 you were that was going to be your guy? And 0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:51.000 he said that happened a couple of times. I mean, 0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:54.480 that's the way it goes. And then you instantaneously move 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:56.400 on to the next guy in the list exactly. And 0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.719 that's why when they traded down, they said, you know, 0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:02.840 here's guys that we feel comfortable with. They started to go, 0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:04.640 I'm sure you know a lot of those guys that 0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:08.120 they were in that range, but they you never trade 0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:10.960 down more spots than you feel you have a comfort 0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:13.960 level of players, not just at one position, I mean, 0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.360 but as a community on that draft board, all the 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.600 position groups you have to have if you're going to 0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:22.960 trade down, you know, five spots, you have to have 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:25.200 five players because they could all go. I mean, look 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:27.640 at the run that happened on edge rushers at the 0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:29.400 end of the first round, four out of five picks. 0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:32.239 Look at the run an offensive lineman. When they traded down, 0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:34.520 you know, people are like, oh, they're all the offensive 0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:37.200 line prospects are going. They felt good about the one 0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:40.040 that they got, felt like he might be there, they 0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:42.879 would feel good about him, and probably another one or two, 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.799 and whichever one was there, I'm good with that, plus 0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.000 the fact that I can double down in the fourth round, 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.840 you know, with my offensive or defensive line. And it 0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:53.839 worked out for him. It worked out exactly the way 0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.960 they had hoped. Yeah, had Jackson Carmen been selected in 0:35:57.080 --> 0:36:00.520 that interim period between thirty eight and forty six, Sam 0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:03.080 cos maybe was still on the board. Dylan Raidens was 0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:04.959 still on the board, so there was still some highly 0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:08.160 rated offensive linemen that they could have pivoted to if 0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:10.440 they lost the guy they really wanted. You're right, and 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:13.239 you know, with Tevin Jenkins, I like him. I think 0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:14.960 he's a good football player. I think he's gonna have 0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:17.200 a good career. I think he's nasty. I think he's physical, 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:22.840 but athletically, I think that Jackson Carmen is a better athlete. 0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:26.160 I think I think Jenkins started to slide a little 0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:29.920 bit based on maybe that not slide. I mean a 0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:31.560 lot of people had him. I didn't think he'd be either. 0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:33.520 I thought he'd be a first round pick, and for 0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:35.560 him to have been there, it was like wow, you 0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:39.400 know so, but a lot of these linemen that I 0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:41.400 talked to people around the league about that I can 0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:45.640 trust with respect offensive line evaluation. They were like, is 0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:47.200 so and so going to be there at thirty eight? 0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:50.480 Cross your fingers and hope? So how about this guy? 0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:52.560 How about that guy? So they were all in that 0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:57.000 category and there was a handful. So they felt comfortable 0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:59.359 enough to move back spots where they felt like there 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:01.440 was going to be one their form and then pick 0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:03.640 up the two fourths, I mean, getting two of those 0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:06.920 fourth round picks when they liked they had three of 0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:09.000 four prospects, and they got three of them in that 0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:12.239 fourth round. They had four prospects identified that they'd really 0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:15.399 like to have left the draft with and they walk 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:18.200 out with three. That's pretty darnstrong. Do you know who 0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:21.799 the fourth was? Do you? I don't. I don't either. 0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:24.920 You've got an impish grins. I don't know if you're 0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:28.120 telling me the truth. In any case, I pointed the 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:31.320 LAP signal into the nighttime sky above Paul Brown Stadium 0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:33.920 this week, and that means we've got asked lap questions 0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:36.680 that were submitted via Twitter. Let's start with this question 0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:40.560 from Dale, who's the starting offensive line in Week one? Yeah, 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.000 that's a great question, you know. I think obviously they 0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:47.160 say that they're gonna put Jackson Carmen in there at 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:49.959 the right guard position. They've slotted him for that. Trey 0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:53.960 Hopkins is how how good is that acl going to 0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:56.560 be in week one? Will he be able to line 0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:59.759 up and play right away in the first week if 0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:03.080 he's healthy. I think he does so at the right 0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:06.200 offensive tackle position. Riley Reef is going to be penciled 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:10.399 in there, Jonah Williams at left tackle, and I think 0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:14.440 that either a Chemo Dentagy or Xavier suea Filo are 0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:17.320 my two possibilities at the at the left guard position 0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:21.239 over Clintin Spain. I think Quintin he's he's in the mix. 0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:24.720 He's in the mix as well. You know. Sue Philo 0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:28.600 is an interesting guy. Watch him and it's it's like 0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:33.200 he's very smart. Uh, he's he's It's it's weird. I 0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:35.400 could see him getting released or I could or I 0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:38.120 could see him being the guy because physically I watch 0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:40.359 him and it's like he looks like he's in pain, 0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:43.120 you know, with his movement and that that's a concern. 0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:46.640 Um So, yeah, I mean Quentin Spain's in that mix. 0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:48.960 I think that left guard position is you know, is 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:51.120 going to be the interesting one to watch because it's 0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:53.680 going to be a battle Royale. As Michael Jordan, a 0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:56.960 chemodenagy Uh Sue Philo might be in the mix there, 0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:00.120 Quentin Spain might be in the mix there. UM know 0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:02.920 that that one, that one could be I think the 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:06.000 most interesting of all the spots. I do hope that 0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:10.320 that Frank Pollock works with Jonah Williams on keeping the 0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:13.480 width of the pocket. Jonah is a is a fantastic 0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:16.880 athlete and he can widen the pocket. He has a 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.120 habit of taking his set a little bit too vertical 0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:22.600 and turning and given a soft edge and shrinking the 0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:25.799 width of the pocket. So if he can somehow work 0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:29.120 with him on widening the tackles responsibilities to keep the 0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:31.600 pocket wide, the center and guards responsibilities to keep the 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:36.200 pocket deep. So if that's that's what Jonah really needs 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:39.600 to work on, and it's gonna I think it's gonna 0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:41.479 be a battle royal. Though you look at the guys 0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:43.759 that they drafted there, they're going to be thrown into 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:46.759 mix and compete. Um Identagy I think is going to 0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:51.120 be in the in the competition, Billy Preisle being in 0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:54.080 the interior. I mean, it's it's uh. They They've got 0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:56.280 plenty of bodies. It's not like they're short of bodies. 0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:59.600 Fred Johnson is still out there on the edge competing, 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:02.879 and he's he's played some guard. The thing is too, 0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:06.240 that the position versatility aspect of it. So many guys 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:09.040 can play more than one position, So it could be 0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:11.919 that the spots that they line up initially to start 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:15.279 training camp, they don't end up at to start the 0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:18.200 start the regular season. I think Frank Pollock is the 0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:20.640 kind of guy I'm putting my five best out there. 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:25.399 It's going to be open season guys, open competition. But yeah, 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:28.040 I think Sue Philo, I think is going to be 0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:30.239 a huge X factor. Like I said, I could see 0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:33.840 him maybe getting snaps or maybe not even making the 0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:35.880 team and everything in between. It's he's going to be 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:39.080 an interesting guy to watch. The next question comes from 0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:43.040 Steve Oh. What position might the Bengal still targeting free agency? 0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:46.480 You know, you think that I was thinking at some 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:50.759 point they would draft a corner, you know, And I 0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:52.719 don't know what they're how happy they are with the 0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:55.960 college free agents that they've signed at some of these positions, 0:40:56.040 --> 0:41:00.360 but if there's a veteran corner out there that lowers 0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:05.640 his price tag. And June first is another big date 0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:09.239 because you know, that's the new cap year, so everybody's 0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:12.000 salary cap changes after June first. That's why you hear 0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:14.480 a lot of these guys, oh well, you know, the 0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:17.040 Aaron Rodgers thing will heat up and after June first, 0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:19.279 such and sexual heat up after June first, because it's 0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:22.400 a whole new fiscal year as such. So if the 0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.719 Bengals are really serious about somebody, you know, it'd be 0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:27.839 good to be able to get it done before June first, 0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:31.440 when there's more teams in the bidding process, more teams 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:34.319 in the party. So if they do have somebody identified, 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:36.480 I'd like to see them, you know, try to get 0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:38.960 it done in a timely fashion. The other part of 0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:42.000 it is, I do think that their biggest priority right 0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:44.759 now Bates and Hubbard. You know, they want to make 0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:47.879 sure that they've got money set aside to extend those guys. 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:49.520 They don't want them going into the last year of 0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:51.840 their contract and then playing lights out and it's like 0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:55.520 she's now, we can't afford them, you know, they have 0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:58.359 a habit of extending, So in my mind, I think 0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:00.600 the first thing they always think of is take care 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:02.640 of the Rome that have performed for them. So I 0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:06.000 think priority number one will be the extension of one 0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:08.719 or two of those guys, potentially before signing other guys 0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:11.160 free agents. That's a great point. I think that's one 0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:13.839 of the reasons why sometimes people look at the Bengal 0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:17.000 salary cap situation and say, boy, they still have plenty 0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:19.640 of money left, why aren't they spending it on somebody? Well, 0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:23.000 they do. They just wait until training camp is just 0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:26.759 about over and then extend their own guys to put 0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:30.000 some of that signing bonus toward that year's cap, which 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:32.360 is a very smart way of doing business. As for 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:36.080 positions that they might still sign somebody at this year, 0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:38.600 I think they could still use a veteran linebacker. I 0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:40.919 think we talked in a previous podcast about the notion 0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:44.440 of bringing Josh Binds back. Maybe that happens. Maybe I 0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:47.520 don't know, Quan Alexander's still out there, somebody like that, 0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:49.920 but I think they could still use a vet at 0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:52.120 that position. Group. I agree with you, Dan, you know, 0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:54.680 I think that I think the young linebackers have all 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:59.080 shown that they're capable, but they're still still green. You know, 0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:02.600 they're still developed. And year one to year two is 0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:05.879 a is a real big development year. There's no question 0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:08.640 about that. I mean, in terms of I shouldn't stay development, 0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:13.040 I should say, you know, you start to understand the game, 0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:15.920 the game slows down, you see things you know more 0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:19.400 differently than you did as a as a rookie player. 0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:25.320 But still there's there's nothing better than having a veteran 0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:28.839 presence at any position group when it hits the fan 0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:31.400 because those guys have been there, done that, They've seen it, 0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:35.719 they know how to attack it. You know, what do 0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:38.239 we have to do to solve this problem that that 0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:41.759 kind of experience on game day I think is very invaluable. 0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:44.320 All Right, the next question I'm going to combine to 0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.640 Rob asked, are you expecting a winning record this season? 0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:51.560 Roar Sports Media asks what's a reasonable number of wins 0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:55.040 to expect if the Bengals stay reasonably healthy. You know, 0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:59.640 you look at the division. Everybody's shooting the horn for 0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:03.560 Cleveland as a Super Bowl contender, and uh, you know, 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:06.160 Barry has done a tremendous job up there. There's no question. 0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:09.760 He's he's really got himself a coach that he feels 0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:11.879 comfortable with, and I think has done a pretty darn 0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:14.479 good job in the draft and free agency the last 0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:18.000 couple of years. So that that organization, you know, had 0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:20.440 high picks for such a long period of time, was 0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:22.360 a matter of time before you start to hit on 0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:25.000 some of them. And I think they started to do that, 0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:28.600 and they've They've got the right mix of talent and coaching, 0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:33.040 I think, to bring themselves to another level. So I 0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:37.600 think with good reason, they're highly regarded. And we know 0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:40.600 what Baltimore is like in Pittsburgh with Ben you know, 0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:44.000 I mean Pittsburgh's Pittsburgh. They've never had a losing season 0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:48.160 with Mike Tomlin as the head coach. Never, So division's tough. 0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:51.960 I mean, you know, you go two and four in 0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:54.720 the division, you may have played some pretty good football, 0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:57.320 and you know, your two games under five hundred just 0:44:57.360 --> 0:45:00.480 from the division alone. So I mean, if they if 0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:02.359 they create to the five hundred mark, I mean, if 0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:04.600 they are if they're an eight and eight football team, 0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:09.239 yeah that's right, eight and nine, yeah, yeah, So if 0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:13.600 they if they creep toward that, that type of scenario. Um, 0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:17.800 you know, I could see, I could see some some 0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:22.600 reason to have optimism, particularly if they're in every game 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:27.680 you know, they avoid getting torched. You know, you should 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:31.319 be beyond the point of having somebody put up over 0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:35.000 five hundred yards on you and forty points and you know, 0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:38.360 not being able to get anything done offensively and not 0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:41.640 score a touchdown. You know, those games, those days should 0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:45.680 be long gone. So um, you know you can you 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:48.920 can see that they'll there should be vast improvement and 0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.600 it should dictate in the record. I mean, you know, 0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:53.799 eight wins is doubling their win total from last year. 0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:56.520 They went from two to four, go four to eight, 0:45:56.880 --> 0:45:58.840 and then you know, pretty soon you're climbing that ladder 0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:03.000 of success. But the division's tough. I mean, it's it's 0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:05.000 as tough a division as there is in football. So 0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:08.680 it's it's no easy task too. If they could go 0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:11.840 five hundred in the division, three and three in the division, 0:46:12.320 --> 0:46:14.160 that would be a great sign. That would be a 0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:17.799 great sign that they're, you know, they're starting to get 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:20.120 what they need to get because that AFC North can 0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:22.799 be a battle on a week to week basis. Yeah, 0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:24.680 you nailed it all three of those teams made the 0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:27.439 playoffs last year, so it's very hard to come away 0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:29.520 with a great record within your own division. In the 0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:33.720 AFC North, based on opponents record last year, the Bengals 0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:36.360 have the sixth toughest schedule in the NFL, and the 0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:39.200 AFC North is a big part of that. Their opponents 0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:42.120 this coming year went one forty four and one twenty 0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:45.520 eight last year. And in addition to the AFC North, 0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:47.839 you throw in one of the Super Bowl teams, Kansas City, 0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:51.120 you throw in the team that hosted the NFC Championship game, 0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:53.840 Green Bay. That's eight games. That's nearly half year schedule. 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:57.600 So I do think a winning record or a game 0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:00.600 under five hundred now that it's a seventeen game schedule 0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:04.320 would be a good target for this next season. And 0:47:04.400 --> 0:47:06.239 then the following year is when you try to get 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:09.399 hope to be back into playoff contention. All right, next 0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:13.680 question from Greg, who's the Bengals' biggest steal in this 0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.880 year's draft? You know, that's that one's going to be 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:20.000 interesting because until you get these guys here and start, 0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:22.719 you know, working them out and seeing what they really are. 0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:27.720 But I've got I've got a feeling about this wired 0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:30.200 Huber guy, you know, I mean I think that this 0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:34.120 kid is I think he's got he's got something to him. 0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:39.520 Thirty four tackles to lost, twenty twenty quarterback sacks and 0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:42.480 they let him, you know, go up and down the 0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:45.000 line of scrimmage an attack on his own. I mean, 0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:50.359 if they get fifteen snaps a game as an edge 0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:52.759 rush in some way, shape or form from this guy, 0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:56.719 and special teams snaps as well, that's great value for 0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:58.800 a seventh round pick, you know. So, I mean I 0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:01.600 think when I look at but I think, boy, potentially 0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:05.920 there's a guy that could that could really give them 0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:08.360 a lot more than most seventh round picks would be 0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:12.359 given their football team. I also look at Trey Hill 0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:18.520 and I think, all right, he may not if Trey 0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:21.520 Hopkins is not available at the center position. What if 0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:25.200 this kid shows that he's capable, or if he shows 0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:26.839 that he can compete a guard, he may be another 0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:30.600 candidate to play left guard. Like I think he's as 0:48:30.640 --> 0:48:33.719 a sixth round guy, I think there's some some vast 0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:36.360 potential there. I think Deante Smith is more of a 0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:39.960 developmental guy, you know. I think other guys, you know, 0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:43.480 like Sample and Shelvin. I mean, they've got they've already 0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:45.800 got roles identified for those guys. I think, and some 0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:49.480 of these other guys are like, don't don't exactly know, 0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:51.719 you know, what they're going to be able to give us, 0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:54.279 But if they can give us these kind of things, wow, 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:58.200 that would be pretty exciting. I'm gonna say, Joseph Osi, 0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:00.360 now he's a third round draft picks. It's hard to 0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:02.200 really look at a guy taking that high as a 0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.400 steel but just based on where he was generally rated 0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:08.920 in comparison to where the Bengals got him. The Athletics 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:12.480 consensus board where they took like fifty big boards and 0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:15.320 then came up with a number had him as forty 0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:17.320 two overall. That would be the tenth pick in the 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:19.560 second round. The Bengals got him with a fifth pick 0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:22.280 of the third round, so that's basically an entire round 0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:25.120 after where he was rated, right, And I think, I mean, 0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:26.840 I think they have big plans for him, and I 0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:29.720 think he's going to live up to those plans. Sometimes guys, 0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:33.200 for whatever reason, runs on positions are made, you know, 0:49:33.360 --> 0:49:37.359 like and the run was made before your value came up, 0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:39.879 and then all of a sudden another run's not made 0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:43.439 until Wow, you should have gone sooner, but you didn't 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:45.840 go when that first run happened, and you were one 0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:48.680 of the first guys left. But other positions right, and 0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:51.359 then you your position came up again. And that's how 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:53.960 guys end up sliding around. And it's not it's not. 0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:57.080 It has nothing to do with their ability and their talents. 0:49:57.640 --> 0:50:00.800 It's just you know, mathematics, nature of the board, the 0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:03.440 nature of needs, the nature of what teams are, how 0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:06.160 they've stacked their boards or whatever. But yeah, I mean 0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:08.960 this this guy, he's got the fastest ten yard time 0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:11.799 in the draft, you know from the edge guys. That's 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:15.239 that's some explosiveness right there. And I do think he's 0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:18.040 he's slightly stiff in his hips a little bit, you know, 0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:21.480 but I think, man, he's and he's a guy like 0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:24.000 has been talked about. You've mentioned it more than one 0:50:24.000 --> 0:50:27.440 s Dan Effort, you know, play with your hair and 0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:30.640 fire man. He's one of those guys. And he's he 0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:34.239 might be nubro Uno in terms of those guys. And 0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:36.880 that's that's another reason I like, uh, you know, I 0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:39.560 like this this kid why Hubert in the seventh round, 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:42.640 He's he's like that. You know, they they give him 0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:45.600 a comp of Hendrickson the same type of dimensions body 0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:49.080 type wise in the way they play and um, there's 0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:52.920 nothing wrong with effort, guys. And in football in general 0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:55.919 and particularly THEFC North, you have to run the ball 0:50:56.360 --> 0:50:59.840 and have some sort of a running games monica so 0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:02.160 you can throw it, and then defensively you have to 0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:04.920 stop the run to have the right to rush the passer. 0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:08.800 They only had seventeen sacks. Why because they were sieve 0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:11.360 and the run. You know, you have to stop the 0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:15.600 run and and generate the right to rush the passion. 0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:17.120 And they should have a lot more weapons on the 0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:18.920 edge to be able to rush the pastor this year. 0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:22.600 The next two questions are similar. Jordan asks, what's the 0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:26.200 difference between Frank Pollock and Jim Turner's techniques and teaching style? 0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:31.400 MT asks our offensive line positions the easiest to coach up, 0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:34.080 not that it's easy, but where coaching can make a 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:37.040 world of difference. Yeah, I think I think coaching can 0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:39.440 make a world of difference in the offensive line, and 0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:43.279 I think implementation of techniques are big and I think 0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:45.880 that Frank Pollock, having played nine years in the league 0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:50.800 understands that everybody type is different. Some guys are high waisted, 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:53.320 short arms. Some guys are, you know, long arms and 0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:56.080 not much of an upper body but have long legs. 0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:58.320 Some guys don't have any length of their legs. But 0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:00.920 you know, it's it's and it's everything in between. And 0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:04.040 you know, the magic number is thirty three in terms 0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:06.880 of arm length to play tackle. While there are tackles 0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:09.120 they're in the Hall of Fame that don't have thirty 0:52:09.440 --> 0:52:13.640 inch arm length, and some of them, your arms didn't 0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:15.319 make any difference because you had to put your fists 0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:17.160 in your chest and you couldn't use your hands or 0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:18.879 your arms, so it didn't matter how long your arms 0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:21.440 were back then. But now that you're able to extend 0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:25.040 your hands and you know, attack people that way, arm 0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:27.399 length is a big deal. But a lot of these 0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:32.040 guys overcome short arms with unbelievable feet because they're in 0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:34.040 a phone booth because their arms are shorter, so they're 0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:36.359 going to be guys are going to get into them 0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:39.759 as such. And now you're you're in a war in 0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:41.959 a phone booth and you're battling, and who's got feet 0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:44.400 to stay balanced, Who's who's on the ground who's not 0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:47.919 on the ground, So you're a lot of these guys 0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:50.719 get to this level and have overcome their short arms 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:53.640 because of their excellent feet. Sometimes it's vice verse. The 0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:55.560 guy didn't have great feet, looks like his feet are 0:52:55.560 --> 0:52:57.960 in concrete. You've got thirty five inch arms, so he 0:52:58.040 --> 0:53:01.000 can recover with his arms and then his feet come. 0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:03.000 The guys with the short arms were covered with their 0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:05.879 feet and then their arms come. It's so you make 0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:09.920 up for your deficiencies. And and I think Frank pollits 0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:14.680 techniques and his implementation of them, his understand He has 0:53:14.719 --> 0:53:18.160 an acute understanding of not everybody's the same because he 0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:20.480 played nine years in the league and he saw different 0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:22.920 kinds of body parts and types and all that. So 0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:27.520 it's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna suggest this this work 0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:31.280 for this guy who's built similar to you. So I'm 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:33.680 not going to make you do a technique just because 0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:35.799 I think this is the way it's got to be done. 0:53:36.320 --> 0:53:40.279 You know, I'm going to mollify, modify, adjust what i'm 0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:43.719 doing to work with your body. And I think that's 0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:47.120 where Frank has a very good understanding, and I think 0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:49.440 that's where the players are going to respond to him 0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:52.120 big time with that. What was your wingspan coming out 0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:54.680 of Syracuse in the seventy four NFL draft. That's a 0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:57.600 good question. They didn't, they didn't do that stuff. It 0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:02.160 was it's it's it's so when I think back, I mean, 0:54:02.960 --> 0:54:07.799 my gosh, man, the Senior Bowl was there were there 0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:11.319 were owners, there, there were head coaches, there, there are gms, there, 0:54:11.520 --> 0:54:14.279 there are line When we did one on one pass rush, 0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:15.880 it was like I'm looking at it's who's who the 0:54:16.040 --> 0:54:19.520 NFL it was because there was you know, there was nothing, 0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:22.759 there was no it there were no cell phones, there 0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:25.680 wasn't there wasn't anything. It was it was crazy and 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:29.879 uh yeah, they I never really remember getting my wingspan 0:54:30.520 --> 0:54:33.320 measured as such. It's a good question. You look like 0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:35.840 about a thirty three and three quarter got of me. 0:54:37.080 --> 0:54:40.480 Next question comes from Adam. How improved should the defensive 0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:44.520 line be this year? You know, when you look at it, 0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:47.359 it should be you know, you've you've added you've added 0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:51.080 much more talent. You know, let's face it. The guys 0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:52.960 that they were rolling in there at the end of 0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:56.160 the season, they literally got off the street and there 0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:58.640 are effort guys. I'm not saying that they weren't, you know, 0:54:58.840 --> 0:55:01.120 just punching o'clock and just getting through. They were given 0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:04.080 everything they've got, but you know, they just they just 0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:09.480 weren't uh NFL starting caliber players in some cases that 0:55:09.760 --> 0:55:11.319 they were thrown out there and they got they got 0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:14.920 taken advantage of in some cases as well. So you 0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:17.200 look at the depth and what they what they've done 0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:21.120 and uh and created creating that depth, they should be 0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:24.719 much better defensively. I mean, DJ Reader, hopefully we'll have 0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:29.040 a full season. Um Ogland. Joeby is going to be 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:32.680 a factor. Obviously, Trey Hendrickson's going to be a factor, 0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:36.040 There's no question about that. And then what they did 0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:38.879 in the draft, you know, getting four guys, there's there's 0:55:38.920 --> 0:55:41.200 seven players right there. How many of they're gonna keep? 0:55:41.200 --> 0:55:45.640 Are they going to keep nine? We're gonna keep ten? Um. 0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:49.440 You know, you've got you other guys that uh you 0:55:49.520 --> 0:55:52.200 know that were injured during the course of the season, 0:55:52.719 --> 0:55:58.040 that that didn't didn't finish, uh finished the year. UM Wren, 0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:01.319 you know, Wren has got some evential Wren he went 0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:05.080 down early with a tell attendon issue. I mean that 0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:10.200 that's those type of injuries or severe. Obviously, Daniels is 0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:14.200 still out there and they brought him back to Cincinnati 0:56:14.280 --> 0:56:17.480 and uh and got him, you know, taking care of 0:56:17.600 --> 0:56:20.800 So there's some depth there. Gino's still out there. You 0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:23.000 look at the list, he's kind of down in terms 0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:25.160 of the veterans that are still out there in free agency, 0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:27.799 and a lot of that is he probably still wants 0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:31.120 too much money, so you know, there's there's things that 0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:33.840 it can be tweaked, but there's no doubt in my 0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:36.720 mind that I think on a snap by snap basis, 0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:39.399 they'll be putting a much better product out there as 0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:42.359 a whole from a defensive line perspective than they did 0:56:42.480 --> 0:56:45.840 last year. I mean, DJ Reader and Larry Ogan Jobi 0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:49.239 is such a huge upgrade over what they wound up 0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:51.920 having to play a defensive tackle for most of the year, 0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:54.560 and God love Gino for trying. I have so much 0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:56.799 admiration for him for gutting it out with that bad 0:56:56.840 --> 0:57:00.480 shoulder injury, but unfortunately, playing one armed, he was completely 0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:03.799 ineffective and it was hard to watch. It was I mean, 0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:06.680 they they they struggled, and you know, you look at 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:10.520 uh Um, you look at guys like Xavier Williams and 0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:14.759 Christian Covington, and they gave everything, everything they had, but 0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:18.840 you know it just wasn't just wasn't quite quite enough. 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:25.200 You know. Freedom. However, you're taking mullin doon. There you go. Freedom. 0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:29.640 Uh but you know Tupa, you know, with with him 0:57:29.720 --> 0:57:32.680 coming back after opting out last year, that that's another 0:57:32.800 --> 0:57:35.000 big body guy. Why body guy that they could have 0:57:35.120 --> 0:57:37.520 used last year a big time. Uh. They they've got 0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:41.680 some space eaters. There's there's absolutely no question about it. 0:57:41.760 --> 0:57:45.800 And I'm very interested in seeing Tyler Shelvin um how 0:57:45.880 --> 0:57:49.000 that guy will impact it. I think I think he's 0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:51.240 gonna he's gonna give them a lot of quality snaps. 0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:53.880 I think it's gonna be tougher to run on this 0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:57.240 football team. Uh, inside between the tackles. And it was 0:57:57.360 --> 0:58:00.440 last year, last year it was open season. This year, 0:58:00.720 --> 0:58:03.560 I think you need a hunting license. We'll see. The 0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:06.440 next question comes from Dustin. Do you see a scenario 0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:09.280 in which rookie running back Chris Evans gets a lot 0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:12.240 of plays in the slot. It seems like we are 0:58:12.320 --> 0:58:15.800 somewhat light in depth in the wide receiver room. Yeah, 0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:19.240 I mean, depending on what kind of uh you know, availability, 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:22.960 he'll be on game day. Um, will he be able 0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:25.480 to get in the mix on special teams? Will he 0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:28.560 be active? Will he be deactivated? Will he be a 0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:31.600 practice squad guy? There's no telling. I mean, just because 0:58:31.640 --> 0:58:35.000 a guy gets drafted doesn't necessarily mean oh, his role 0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:36.160 is going to be this. You have to go out 0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:38.480 and earn that role. But they're going to give him 0:58:38.600 --> 0:58:41.080 every opportunity, I think, And you know, when you look 0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:43.960 at it, they've got one of the best slot receivers 0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:46.640 in you know, in all of football, and Tyler Boyd 0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:49.520 there's no question about that. But you know, Alex Erickson 0:58:49.640 --> 0:58:52.840 is gone. Alex Erikson's now at Houston Texan. You know, 0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:55.360 Mike Thomas can can give you a little bit of both. 0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:57.840 He can give you, you know, some some versatility there. 0:58:58.760 --> 0:59:01.440 It's not beyond the realm, a possibility that if you 0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:06.760 go if you have a situation where you can say, Okay, 0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:08.520 you have a guy that you can line up as 0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:11.080 a running back or as a slot receiver, what are 0:59:11.080 --> 0:59:13.040 you gonna do. You're gonna play base, You're gonna play Nicol. 0:59:13.080 --> 0:59:14.880 How you're going to match up? Nick could play with 0:59:14.960 --> 0:59:17.680 him that way? Did it with Givanni Bernard Giravanni Bernard 0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:20.040 a lot of times lined up as the widest receiver slot, 0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:24.240 and you know, all indications are that, you know, they 0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:27.040 can do the same same type of thing, you know 0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:33.360 with Chris Evans, so versatility is key. I think he's 0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:36.160 got that versatility. He was the best player available on 0:59:36.240 --> 0:59:38.960 their board in their estimation, so they went with him. 0:59:39.000 --> 0:59:42.640 So they like him enough to, you know, to make 0:59:42.720 --> 0:59:46.080 him a Cincinnati Bengal in the sixth round. I'm sure 0:59:46.120 --> 0:59:49.560 they have plans for him. Nate asks, other than the 0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:53.320 oh line, what position groups are the biggest question marks? Well, 0:59:53.560 --> 0:59:56.160 you know, going into the draft, the biggest question marks 0:59:56.280 --> 1:00:00.240 were offensive line, defensive line, wide receiver. Nay addressed them 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:05.280 offensive line, defensive line more so than wide receiver. They 1:00:05.440 --> 1:00:09.880 draft one wide receiver, and you know, free agency is 1:00:09.920 --> 1:00:15.560 still being being taken care of college free agents. You know, 1:00:15.840 --> 1:00:19.160 I'm not really sure that they feel like they got 1:00:19.200 --> 1:00:22.840 any help there that's going to be consequential. But I 1:00:23.000 --> 1:00:27.520 still think that just because you draft those you can't 1:00:27.880 --> 1:00:31.080 say until you actually have them out there. You've got presents. 1:00:31.640 --> 1:00:34.960 Draft Day was Christmas Eve and Santa Claus came and 1:00:35.000 --> 1:00:37.480 the presents would delivered. You know, and now when they 1:00:37.560 --> 1:00:39.600 go to mini camp, when they have the rookie Minicamp 1:00:40.000 --> 1:00:41.680 for the first time, the coaches would be able to 1:00:42.280 --> 1:00:45.439 unwrap the present, actually get their hands on guys. See, 1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:49.040 guys say what I saw on tape? Is that projecting 1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:51.240 to what I'm seeing right up here, up close and 1:00:51.360 --> 1:00:54.240 personal with this guy? Yeah it is, or she's really 1:00:54.280 --> 1:00:56.360 it's not can he do the things that we're hoping 1:00:56.400 --> 1:00:58.640 he can do? Until you go through that, and then 1:00:59.280 --> 1:01:01.440 that's just the step of it. Then you have to 1:01:01.480 --> 1:01:04.440 put pads on and start to hit. And a lot 1:01:04.480 --> 1:01:08.320 of guys look like Tarzan, you know, in shorts and 1:01:08.360 --> 1:01:10.400 T shirts, and they put pads and helmets on. They 1:01:10.400 --> 1:01:12.800 play like Jane. So you know, you have to go 1:01:12.920 --> 1:01:16.000 through the entire evaluation process before you even start to 1:01:16.120 --> 1:01:20.040 think I've addressed some of these spots. It's like when 1:01:20.080 --> 1:01:23.000 these grades are given after a draft, how the hell 1:01:23.080 --> 1:01:25.439 do you know? You don't know for two or three years. 1:01:25.800 --> 1:01:28.600 You know, on a lot of guys. Some guys you'll 1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:31.400 find out right away, but other guys need development. Other 1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:34.320 guys you know just oh it didn't work out. They 1:01:34.360 --> 1:01:36.280 couldn't make the transition from what they were doing in 1:01:36.320 --> 1:01:38.080 college to what we were asking to do in the NFL. 1:01:38.280 --> 1:01:41.600 Maybe another team they can transition easier to. So it's 1:01:41.720 --> 1:01:44.800 it's that cracks me up when they do these letter grades, 1:01:44.840 --> 1:01:47.560 like it's this one's cookie cutter, cut and dry it. 1:01:47.880 --> 1:01:49.760 But that's what makes the draft great, that's what makes 1:01:49.800 --> 1:01:52.160 the NFL great, That's what makes all the conversation great. 1:01:52.240 --> 1:01:56.280 But it's double edged sword because scouts, coaches, all these 1:01:56.360 --> 1:01:58.640 people like, you know, my job hangs in the balance 1:01:58.680 --> 1:02:01.000 with some of this stuff, you know, and I don't. 1:02:01.040 --> 1:02:02.480 I don't even know right now. I have to go 1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:05.640 through my whole process. I went through the draft process. 1:02:05.920 --> 1:02:08.240 Now I have to go through the process of seeing 1:02:08.320 --> 1:02:11.280 what I have and developing them from that point forward. 1:02:11.280 --> 1:02:13.760 And it's a it's not an overnight process where you're 1:02:13.760 --> 1:02:16.000 going to get a letter gae letter grade the day 1:02:16.040 --> 1:02:19.080 after the draft. The grades are completely worthless. But I 1:02:19.200 --> 1:02:22.240 check out everyone. I can't help myself. I think the 1:02:22.360 --> 1:02:25.720 biggest question mark now is cornerback. They've got a ton 1:02:25.800 --> 1:02:28.520 of talent, but Terius Phillips is basically the only guy 1:02:28.600 --> 1:02:33.000 that's played in a Bengal's uniform, So Trey Wayne's should 1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:37.360 obey a woogie Eli Apple, Mike Hilton. Again, that's that's 1:02:37.400 --> 1:02:40.200 a good talent base that they've built up. Now they've 1:02:40.200 --> 1:02:42.840 got to introduce each each of them to each other, 1:02:43.120 --> 1:02:45.880 no no doubt. I mean probably at the very beginning 1:02:45.880 --> 1:02:47.840 of training camp, going have to tape with name on 1:02:47.880 --> 1:02:51.000 their helmets, you know, the strip of tape to identify 1:02:51.120 --> 1:02:53.720 themselves to each other. It is, it's it's a it's 1:02:53.760 --> 1:02:56.320 a crazy scenario. But yeah, when you look at it, 1:02:56.800 --> 1:03:00.680 raw talent, raw potential, and a lot of it is 1:03:00.760 --> 1:03:06.960 proven already NFL in game, proven player. But sometimes, I mean, 1:03:07.240 --> 1:03:09.880 I know I experienced that you go from one team 1:03:09.920 --> 1:03:13.360 to another, even when coaches come in, it's a whole 1:03:13.440 --> 1:03:16.240 new you know, whole new day. I mean, what you 1:03:16.320 --> 1:03:18.800 did in the past really doesn't matter. New system, new 1:03:19.000 --> 1:03:21.000 set of eyes, evaluating on all that. And then when 1:03:21.040 --> 1:03:24.760 you go from one franchise to another, man it's it's 1:03:24.880 --> 1:03:27.400 it's a it's a big difference. It doesn't happen just 1:03:27.520 --> 1:03:31.760 with the snap of a finger. So and I fully 1:03:31.840 --> 1:03:35.640 expect that it will, but not overnight. But these guys, 1:03:35.840 --> 1:03:39.400 they have to learn each other's you know, strengths and weaknesses. 1:03:39.920 --> 1:03:42.240 When you start to play well as an offensive line. 1:03:43.080 --> 1:03:45.480 You know exactly what that guy next to you can 1:03:45.600 --> 1:03:48.320 and can't do, so you don't make a call to 1:03:48.480 --> 1:03:51.480 maybe put him in a situation where that's dicey if 1:03:51.520 --> 1:03:54.400 we can execute that. And then if you line up 1:03:54.440 --> 1:03:57.280 in a certain defensive front, lines up a certain way, 1:03:57.360 --> 1:04:00.400 or they have a certain skill player in that, you know, 1:04:00.680 --> 1:04:04.280 the make a call that help that situation and that 1:04:04.440 --> 1:04:06.480 doesn't need help. What call do I make to help 1:04:06.520 --> 1:04:08.840 the situation that needs help. All those kind of things 1:04:08.920 --> 1:04:12.360 aren't just done overnight. It takes it takes some time. 1:04:13.280 --> 1:04:16.800 But I think that I think that they've got they 1:04:16.880 --> 1:04:19.240 have on the hoof, you know, meat on the hoof. 1:04:19.320 --> 1:04:21.400 They have that they do have some talent there to 1:04:21.440 --> 1:04:23.200 work with. I mean, they got a bunch of clay 1:04:23.240 --> 1:04:26.000 that can be molded by talented artists. We'll see him. 1:04:26.720 --> 1:04:29.520 The last ask lap question comes from Tom. Do you 1:04:29.560 --> 1:04:33.160 see cam Sample as an inside or an outside guy? 1:04:33.960 --> 1:04:36.600 I see him more so as an outside guy with 1:04:36.760 --> 1:04:39.560 the ability to kick down inside and give pass rush inside. 1:04:40.000 --> 1:04:41.840 But I see him as a as a you know, 1:04:42.040 --> 1:04:43.760 but he can, I mean, he can line it. He's 1:04:43.920 --> 1:04:45.960 big enough to line up inside and give you snaps. 1:04:46.160 --> 1:04:48.320 But I see him as a as an edge guy 1:04:48.440 --> 1:04:50.400 that can you know, set an edge in that running 1:04:50.440 --> 1:04:54.080 game and pass rush as a as a defensive end. 1:04:54.800 --> 1:04:57.000 But you know, also if you want to go with 1:04:57.160 --> 1:05:01.760 your NASCAR package and have quicker guys that he can 1:05:01.840 --> 1:05:04.840 kick down inside and pass rush at defensive tackle. But 1:05:04.920 --> 1:05:07.240 I think that's part of the beauty of sample, is 1:05:07.280 --> 1:05:09.880 that position versatility. He can do either for you. And 1:05:10.400 --> 1:05:12.320 it's not like he can't go in there and play 1:05:12.400 --> 1:05:15.520 defensive tackle defending the run as a three technique either. 1:05:15.640 --> 1:05:19.320 But I think I think I'd like to see him 1:05:19.360 --> 1:05:22.919 on the edge more so. He's a talented kid. Thank 1:05:23.000 --> 1:05:27.160 you to everybody who's submitted ask lap questions. And Happy 1:05:27.240 --> 1:05:31.760 Mother's Day to Lynn and Sarah. I appreciate that very much. 1:05:31.840 --> 1:05:35.160 And Happy Mother's Day to Peg. You got a good 1:05:35.200 --> 1:05:38.480 celebration plan we do. We're gonna all it's gonna be 1:05:39.440 --> 1:05:46.480 just a massive get together. It's gonna be you know, grant, grandkids, cousins, 1:05:47.040 --> 1:05:49.080 big family day. It'll be a lot of fun, lots 1:05:49.120 --> 1:05:53.360 of food, probably too much food, No such thing, Yeah, 1:05:53.480 --> 1:05:57.360 no such thing really really and maybe by the end 1:05:57.400 --> 1:06:02.320 of the day, too much adult beverage. Who knows. That's 1:06:02.360 --> 1:06:04.040 going to do it. For this episode of the Bengals 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:07.520 Booth Podcast, brought to you by bud Light Seltzer, refresh 1:06:07.600 --> 1:06:10.560 the game. If you haven't done so already, please subscribe, 1:06:10.600 --> 1:06:12.439 and if you have a minute, give it a rating 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:15.840 or share a comment that helps more Bengals fans find 1:06:15.960 --> 1:06:19.080 this podcast. I'm Dan Horde and thank you for listening 1:06:19.360 --> 1:06:21.320 to the Bengals Booth Podcast