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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast the We'll We're Moving On Up

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Speaker 1: edition as we take an in depth look at the

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Speaker 1: Bengals draft class with one of the best analyst in football,

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Speaker 1: Greg ko Sell from NFL Films and the ESPN Matchup Show.

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Speaker 1: Did the Bengals get it right by taking Jamar Chase

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Speaker 1: fifth overall instead of Piney Sewell? Greg ko Sell says yes.

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Speaker 1: We'll discuss that and much more. Plus I'll spend a

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Speaker 1: few minutes with second round draft pick Jackson Carmen, and

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Speaker 1: then my broadcast partner Dave Lapham joins me to discuss

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Ring of Honor ballot and answer the questions

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Speaker 1: while raising five extremely lucky kids. So happy Mother's Day, Mom,

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Speaker 1: and thanks. Now let's get to football. There are a

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Speaker 1: few things more worthless than instantaneous NFL draft grades. It

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Speaker 1: generally takes about three years to have a good sense

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Speaker 1: of how productive a team's draft is, and yet every year,

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Speaker 1: the first thing I do on the Sunday morning after

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Speaker 1: the draft check out every draft grade I can find.

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Speaker 1: I just can't help myself. This year, the Bengals mostly

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Speaker 1: got b pluses and bees, and often got dinged for

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Speaker 1: not taking Penney Sewell in the first round. But one

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Speaker 1: of the opinions I value most belongs to Greg ko Sell,

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Speaker 1: and he says the Bengals got it right, all right,

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Speaker 1: This is a real treat for me and the listeners

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Speaker 1: of this podcast, an opportunity to discuss the draft and

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Speaker 1: free agency with a great Greg coo Sell. You did

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Speaker 1: in depth scouting reports on six of the players that

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Speaker 1: the Bengals wound up drafting. Let's start with Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 1: You had him ranked as the number one wide receiver

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Speaker 1: you study Jamar Chase? That? And competitive? That was probably

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Speaker 1: another word that you noticed on my scouting report. I

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Speaker 1: really loved watching him. I actually watched him last summer.

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Speaker 1: I did not know that he would sit out the season. Hey,

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Speaker 1: last summer, I didn't even know if there would be

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Speaker 1: I really loved his tape. And as you know, Dan,

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Speaker 1: everything I talk about comes from just pure tape study.

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Speaker 1: I don't meet the players. I don't know all their backgrounds.

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Speaker 1: He was very competitive run after cat as you saw

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Speaker 1: As I think you know, there was a huge debate

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Speaker 1: to Jackson Carmen. The Bengals traded back in the second

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Speaker 1: I mean and Paul, I know Paul Alexander, he's see phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that difference means, Dan, I really don't.

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Speaker 1: his traits are on tape. I don't think change and

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Speaker 1: I think he's a really good run blocker. He's physical,

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Speaker 1: been really good to be able to work with coach Willie.

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Speaker 1: Did you have a strong feeling that the Bengals might

428
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Speaker 1: draft you? I definitely knew it was a possibility, you

429
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, from hearing a lot of different

430
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Speaker 1: teams and also knowing that the Bengals were projected to

431
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Speaker 1: be needing offensive lineman. It was definitely something that was discussed.

432
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Speaker 1: They made a trade in the second round, going down

433
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Speaker 1: from thirty eight to forty six. Did that influence you're

434
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Speaker 1: thinking at all? I definitely didn't know, Like I mean, like,

435
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and say like, oh, I

436
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Speaker 1: knew everything was gonna be perfect, but like, it was

437
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Speaker 1: definitely interesting to see, you know what I'm saying, what

438
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Speaker 1: was going on behind the scenes, and just to think

439
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Speaker 1: about it. But I'm glad how everything turned out. As

440
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Speaker 1: I mentioned, you blocked for Trevor Lawrence in college. Now

441
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Speaker 1: you're going to a block for Joe Burrow in the NFL.

442
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Speaker 1: You face Joe in the National Championship Game a couple

443
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Speaker 1: of years ago. Unfortunately for you, he played out of

444
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Speaker 1: his mind and uls you won that game, But what

445
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Speaker 1: were your observations of Joe in the run up to

446
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 1: that game and during that game and your feelings about

447
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: him now? And one of my favorite things about watching

448
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Speaker 1: the players being able to see how intelligent they are

449
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Speaker 1: and how they really just like have a feel for

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Speaker 1: the game. And when I watched Joe, just knowing just

451
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Speaker 1: how smart he is really just stands out, and the

452
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Speaker 1: decisions he's able to make and the speed and accuracy

453
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Speaker 1: that he plays with was really remarkable, and that's something

454
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Speaker 1: that obviously showed up in our game. So it's been

455
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Speaker 1: really cool to be able to watch his journey and

456
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Speaker 1: even more amazing to see how it sall came around

457
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Speaker 1: full circle. So I'm excited you are expected to come

458
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Speaker 1: in and compete for a starting spot at guard, immediately

459
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Speaker 1: making that transition from tackle to guard. I know you

460
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Speaker 1: played some guard in high school, but what are some

461
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Speaker 1: of the challenges associated with moving from tackle to guard?

462
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Speaker 1: Mostly predominantly just being more so in a three point

463
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Speaker 1: stands compared to a two point stands because in college

464
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Speaker 1: about nine my snaps with from a two point stands,

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Speaker 1: So just getting more comfortable taking snaps, taking passess out

466
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Speaker 1: of the three point stands and being more comfortable to that,

467
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Speaker 1: and also spitching over to the right side and getting

468
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Speaker 1: more used to as well. But I think it's gonna

469
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Speaker 1: be a great transition on the site of her challenge.

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Speaker 1: What will you do between now and training camp to

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Speaker 1: further prepare yourself for the NFL. I'll definitely be training

472
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Speaker 1: every day. I'll be working with my coaches, you know

473
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying here at the Bengals, and also being

474
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Speaker 1: able to train with guys like Coach Willie and Coach

475
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Speaker 1: Paul and also do many weather of all really help

476
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Speaker 1: prepare me for the next level. Coach Paul former Bengals

477
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Speaker 1: offensive line coach Paul Alexander. He told me you worked

478
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Speaker 1: with him about ten times last year and leading up

479
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Speaker 1: to the draft. Did you learn anything particularly valuable from Paul?

480
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Speaker 1: I think Paul's just like Coach Willie, a legend in

481
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Speaker 1: his own right, and being able to learn all types

482
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Speaker 1: of things from him as far as is off the

483
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Speaker 1: feeling in on the field, but on the field specifically,

484
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Speaker 1: I think he's just really great technique coach. It really

485
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Speaker 1: helps He's a great teacher. It really helps people understand

486
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying what exactly they're supposed to be doing

487
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: so different things in past protection and as far as

488
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Speaker 1: is like footwork and hand placement, I think he's done

489
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Speaker 1: a great job. The roster has really turned over in

490
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Speaker 1: the last couple of years, and there's really an impressive

491
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Speaker 1: young core now on this Cincinnati roster, yourself included. Do

492
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Speaker 1: you feel like you're kind of getting in on the

493
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Speaker 1: ground floor of something special? Definitely, definitely. I think there's

494
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Speaker 1: definitely something special clicking up here in Cincinnati and just

495
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: being able to see just all the different way you

496
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, levels of talent, whether that we're

497
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Speaker 1: bringing in from all positions, and also just I think

498
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Speaker 1: it's a really bright future for us. I know you

499
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Speaker 1: had back surgery in January. What did you have done

500
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Speaker 1: and how are you doing? I played the last five

501
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Speaker 1: games with twenty twenty season with a herniated disc in

502
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Speaker 1: my back and I had surgery in January and since

503
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Speaker 1: then I've done full rehab of rebilitation and training how

504
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Speaker 1: to pro day and honestly, I feel great. I'm far

505
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Speaker 1: ahead of where most people are after a surgery like that,

506
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Speaker 1: and honestly, I'm just super excited to be able to

507
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Speaker 1: get the work. Last question, Gen, you haven't signed your

508
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Speaker 1: contract yet, so you do not have, you know, that

509
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Speaker 1: nice signing bonus that I'm sure you're looking forward to.

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Speaker 1: But do you have anything in mind for your first

511
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Speaker 1: big purchase as a professional athlete. I think for my

512
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Speaker 1: first purchase, Man, probably probably just some skylines. To be

513
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Speaker 1: honest with you, Man, skyl has been my favorites about

514
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Speaker 1: the Blue Kids, be able to go back there. You

515
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Speaker 1: get a couple of season Cooney, some sky fires where

516
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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward too. It's a good answer. You don't

517
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Speaker 1: even have to wait for the signing bonus. If you're

518
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Speaker 1: watching this skyline, you know the call. The Bengals Booth

519
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Speaker 1: podcast is presented by bud Light Seltzer. It's light and

520
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Speaker 1: refreshing with a hint of fruit flavor. On Thursday, the

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Speaker 1: Bengals announced the seventeen former players who will make up

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Speaker 1: this year's Ring of Honor ballot. Two players will be

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Speaker 1: voted in by season ticket members and Sweet owners and

524
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Speaker 1: will be added to Hall of Famers Paul Brown and

525
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Speaker 1: Anthony Muno's to make up this year's inaugural class. I'm

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Speaker 1: proud to say that one of the seventeen Bengals Grates

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Speaker 1: on the Ring of Honor ballot is my broadcast partner

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Speaker 1: day lap them, Congratulations, my friend and joining former teammates

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Speaker 1: Ken Anderson and Ken Riley and more recent stars like

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Speaker 1: Chad Johnson and Willie Anderson on the Ring of Honor ballot.

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Speaker 1: Can you describe what it means to be on that

532
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Speaker 1: initial ballot? Humbling is the biggest word. You know. I

533
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Speaker 1: think about all those players and the first thing I

534
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: thought about when I saw the list is took me

535
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Speaker 1: right back to nineteen eighty one. You know, when we

536
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Speaker 1: had such good success. We had a lot of good

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Speaker 1: players that really jelled and played well together. You know

538
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Speaker 1: that year eighty one and eighty two we had as

539
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Speaker 1: many wins as any team in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: You know, we won nineteen games regular season games in

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Speaker 1: those two years with strike shorten. The year was seven

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Speaker 1: and two in nineteen eighty two after a twelve and

543
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Speaker 1: fourth season, and you know, it made the Super Bowl

544
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: run in that nineteen eighty one season, and I mean,

545
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Speaker 1: all the memories of those guys, you know, it's just

546
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Speaker 1: it just brought back full circle, like tremendous memories. And

547
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Speaker 1: to be on a list with those guys was just

548
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Speaker 1: humbling to say the least, There's no question about it.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I just the other thing that it

550
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Speaker 1: did was is I looked at all the guys on

551
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Speaker 1: the list. It just made me realize how fortunate I

552
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Speaker 1: am to have played with or covered all of them,

553
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, seeing them all play, it's it really has

554
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: been a pure joy in that regard to a football junkie,

555
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, to be able to have lived the dream

556
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Speaker 1: that she had as a kid to play in the league,

557
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Speaker 1: and then to play, you know, a lengthy time and

558
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Speaker 1: be on a Super Bowl team, and then getting into

559
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: the broadcast side of it and still be associated with

560
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Speaker 1: the game and see all these great players, and you know,

561
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Speaker 1: having broadcast a Super Bowl that the team played in.

562
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Speaker 1: I mean, those are like all all the things that

563
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Speaker 1: come flooding back to me when I start looking at

564
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Speaker 1: the list of all these players, not only the seventeen

565
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Speaker 1: on the ballot, but when the celebration of the fiftieth anniversary,

566
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Speaker 1: when all the guys started coming back and you know,

567
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Speaker 1: have reunion time with all these guys, and it's like, man,

568
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Speaker 1: it just it brought you back to you know, quite

569
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Speaker 1: a while ago. Man, it brought you back to your youth.

570
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Speaker 1: There's no question about it was a lot of fun.

571
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Speaker 1: So as a season ticket holder, I'm going to have

572
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Speaker 1: to recuse myself because I would go lap them, lap

573
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Speaker 1: them with my two picks as your friend and broadcast partners.

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Speaker 1: So we are going to put Sam Horde in charge

575
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Speaker 1: of the Horde family ballot, and he is leaning toward

576
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Speaker 1: Ken and Ken Anderson and Riley, and that makes total sense.

577
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Speaker 1: I mean, they're obviously guys that are on the fringe

578
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: of and should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: And the two candidates that are in with Paul Brown

580
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Speaker 1: and Anthony Munos are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: the two guys that are on the start the ring

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Speaker 1: of Honor, so that more than worthy, to say the least.

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Speaker 1: And two, you know, the Si hilarities. They played different

584
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: positions obviously, but so many similarities in terms of you

585
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Speaker 1: know them as people and not just football players. And

586
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: Kenny Riley was a quarterback himself, you know, in college,

587
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Speaker 1: so he had that he had such an unbelievable quiet

588
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: swagger to him. You know, he was tremendously confident, but

589
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: not the least bit cocky and Kenny Anderson the same way.

590
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Speaker 1: The Ken's are special people as well as being special

591
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Speaker 1: football players. Football I think it is just part of

592
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Speaker 1: what those guys are though. And you know, Paul Brown,

593
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Speaker 1: it would be proud of a lot of these guys

594
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Speaker 1: on all these lists because he was all about football

595
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Speaker 1: is just the beginning of your work life, your work career.

596
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Speaker 1: And he would always say, you know, now you have

597
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Speaker 1: a chance to go to your life's work. When your

598
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Speaker 1: football career was over, however was over, whether you were

599
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Speaker 1: cut by everybody, retired, or whatever the case may be,

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Speaker 1: and he would call it, you know, it was just

601
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Speaker 1: the beginning of your life's work and you have an

602
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Speaker 1: opportunity to begin your life's work in a very very

603
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: positive way. What are you going to do after that?

604
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: And so many of these guys, you know, reinvented themselves

605
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: and had a good run with their life after football.

606
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Speaker 1: I think Paul Brown would be very proud of that

607
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: as well, no question about it. The Bengals have not

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Speaker 1: announced yet what the plan will be going forward. Will

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Speaker 1: there be four more guys next year, will it be too,

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Speaker 1: will it be a player every year going forward? We

611
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Speaker 1: don't know that yet, but I do know that at

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Speaker 1: some point lap Them sixty two is going to be

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Speaker 1: up on that wall, and that's going to be an

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Speaker 1: awesome site. You know. You think about the fact that

615
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Speaker 1: you know that it's it's going to be up there

616
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Speaker 1: for your kids to seeing your grandkids and your great grandkids,

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Speaker 1: if you're lucky enough to be around for great grandkids whatever.

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Speaker 1: That that part of it, you know, starts to starts

619
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Speaker 1: to bog your mind a little bit. Um, you know,

620
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Speaker 1: the legacy aspect of that kind of thing. Even just

621
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Speaker 1: to be on the ballot is just stunning, really is.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a stunning situation. It really really makes

623
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Speaker 1: you shake yourself a little bit. Well, it's a well

624
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Speaker 1: deserved honor and I'm thrilled for you. Thank you. Let's

625
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Speaker 1: move on to the draft. We've had about a week

626
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Speaker 1: to reflect on the ten players that the Bengals selected.

627
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Speaker 1: You've had some great conversations about the guys they picked

628
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Speaker 1: on your podcast, You're in the Trenches podcast, which is awesome.

629
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Speaker 1: I have been binging now for a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: and it's great. What are some of your biggest takeaways

631
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Speaker 1: on this a ten player group. Yeah, I think I

632
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: think the fact that, Um, they did, you know, stick

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Speaker 1: to their guns in terms of how they had their

634
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Speaker 1: their board rated. I mean you look at it and, um,

635
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Speaker 1: seven guys in the in the pits in the trenches.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's, uh, that's that's kind of amazing. One

637
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: wide receiver for down lineman as such, three offensive lineman,

638
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Speaker 1: place kicker, and the running back. So in the nineteen

639
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: or the twenty twenty draft, they went three linebackers, you

640
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: know in that draft. So their board, they stayed true

641
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Speaker 1: to their board. And people might say, oh, you know, well,

642
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Speaker 1: how come they didn't draft the quarterback a cornerback? I

643
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: should say, why wasn't a cornerback drafted? I'm sure they

644
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: had every intention of maybe draft in one, but when

645
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Speaker 1: it got to that point, you know, the board, you're

646
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Speaker 1: not usually that far off, You're not fifteen picks off

647
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Speaker 1: in terms of guys. So you know it's the guy

648
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Speaker 1: goes and you pick another. And they're heavily criticized for

649
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Speaker 1: taking the place kicker in the fifth round. Well, you know,

650
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Speaker 1: when they made the trade and got the additional two

651
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Speaker 1: fourth round picks, it made it easier to do that.

652
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: Darren Simmons knew he had to maybe pick around higher.

653
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Speaker 1: He said that. So if there was one draftable kicker

654
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Speaker 1: in the draft and everybody had him pegged to the

655
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Speaker 1: sixth rounder, go ahead and get him in the fifth.

656
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Speaker 1: Is there a mindset and make sure you get them

657
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Speaker 1: and a guy that's going to put points in the

658
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Speaker 1: board for you and all that sort of thing. And always,

659
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Speaker 1: because Dan, we've been around each other for the draft

660
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Speaker 1: many years now, how many times have we heard the

661
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Speaker 1: team say we had him as a fourth round guy,

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Speaker 1: We get him in the fifth. We had him as

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Speaker 1: a fifth round guy, get him in the sixth. Who knows?

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Speaker 1: Maybe they had Hill and the kicker in the same

665
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Speaker 1: type of value and they got both because he'll makes

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Speaker 1: it to the sixth round, right, you know, the center

667
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: guard that could have been the case or could have

668
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Speaker 1: been the kicker, and somebody else that they got whenever

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Speaker 1: in the draft. So everybody's board is different. But all

670
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: you can do is trust the way you were value it.

671
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: You put a lot of time and spend a lot

672
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Speaker 1: of resources in doing that, So why not live by

673
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: your board? And that's what they've done. I asked somebody

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Speaker 1: from the front office the following question, how many times

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Speaker 1: when you were on the clock, or actually, how many

676
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: times when you were almost on the clock did somebody

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Speaker 1: get picked one or two spots ahead of you that

678
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Speaker 1: you were that was going to be your guy? And

679
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: he said that happened a couple of times. I mean,

680
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: that's the way it goes. And then you instantaneously move

681
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: on to the next guy in the list exactly. And

682
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Speaker 1: that's why when they traded down, they said, you know,

683
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Speaker 1: here's guys that we feel comfortable with. They started to go,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you know a lot of those guys that

685
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: they were in that range, but they you never trade

686
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: down more spots than you feel you have a comfort

687
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: level of players, not just at one position, I mean,

688
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: but as a community on that draft board, all the

689
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Speaker 1: position groups you have to have if you're going to

690
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: trade down, you know, five spots, you have to have

691
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: five players because they could all go. I mean, look

692
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: at the run that happened on edge rushers at the

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Speaker 1: end of the first round, four out of five picks.

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Speaker 1: Look at the run an offensive lineman. When they traded down,

695
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, people are like, oh, they're all the offensive

696
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: line prospects are going. They felt good about the one

697
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: that they got, felt like he might be there, they

698
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: would feel good about him, and probably another one or two,

699
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: and whichever one was there, I'm good with that, plus

700
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Speaker 1: the fact that I can double down in the fourth round,

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Speaker 1: you know, with my offensive or defensive line. And it

702
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: worked out for him. It worked out exactly the way

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Speaker 1: they had hoped. Yeah, had Jackson Carmen been selected in

704
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Speaker 1: that interim period between thirty eight and forty six, Sam

705
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: cos maybe was still on the board. Dylan Raidens was

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Speaker 1: still on the board, so there was still some highly

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Speaker 1: rated offensive linemen that they could have pivoted to if

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00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: they lost the guy they really wanted. You're right, and

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00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: you know, with Tevin Jenkins, I like him. I think

710
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: he's a good football player. I think he's gonna have

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Speaker 1: a good career. I think he's nasty. I think he's physical,

712
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Speaker 1: but athletically, I think that Jackson Carmen is a better athlete.

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Speaker 1: I think I think Jenkins started to slide a little

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Speaker 1: bit based on maybe that not slide. I mean a

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Speaker 1: lot of people had him. I didn't think he'd be either.

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Speaker 1: I thought he'd be a first round pick, and for

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Speaker 1: him to have been there, it was like wow, you

718
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: know so, but a lot of these linemen that I

719
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: talked to people around the league about that I can

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Speaker 1: trust with respect offensive line evaluation. They were like, is

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Speaker 1: so and so going to be there at thirty eight?

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Speaker 1: Cross your fingers and hope? So how about this guy?

723
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: How about that guy? So they were all in that

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00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: category and there was a handful. So they felt comfortable

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Speaker 1: enough to move back spots where they felt like there

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Speaker 1: was going to be one their form and then pick

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Speaker 1: up the two fourths, I mean, getting two of those

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00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: fourth round picks when they liked they had three of

729
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: four prospects, and they got three of them in that

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Speaker 1: fourth round. They had four prospects identified that they'd really

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Speaker 1: like to have left the draft with and they walk

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Speaker 1: out with three. That's pretty darnstrong. Do you know who

733
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: the fourth was? Do you? I don't. I don't either.

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Speaker 1: You've got an impish grins. I don't know if you're

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Speaker 1: telling me the truth. In any case, I pointed the

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Speaker 1: LAP signal into the nighttime sky above Paul Brown Stadium

737
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Speaker 1: this week, and that means we've got asked lap questions

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Speaker 1: that were submitted via Twitter. Let's start with this question

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Speaker 1: from Dale, who's the starting offensive line in Week one? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a great question, you know. I think obviously they

741
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: say that they're gonna put Jackson Carmen in there at

742
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 1: the right guard position. They've slotted him for that. Trey

743
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: Hopkins is how how good is that acl going to

744
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: be in week one? Will he be able to line

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00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: up and play right away in the first week if

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Speaker 1: he's healthy. I think he does so at the right

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00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: offensive tackle position. Riley Reef is going to be penciled

748
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Speaker 1: in there, Jonah Williams at left tackle, and I think

749
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Speaker 1: that either a Chemo Dentagy or Xavier suea Filo are

750
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: my two possibilities at the at the left guard position

751
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: over Clintin Spain. I think Quintin he's he's in the mix.

752
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: He's in the mix as well. You know. Sue Philo

753
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: is an interesting guy. Watch him and it's it's like

754
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: he's very smart. Uh, he's he's It's it's weird. I

755
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: could see him getting released or I could or I

756
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: could see him being the guy because physically I watch

757
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: him and it's like he looks like he's in pain,

758
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, with his movement and that that's a concern.

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00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: Um So, yeah, I mean Quentin Spain's in that mix.

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00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: I think that left guard position is you know, is

761
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Speaker 1: going to be the interesting one to watch because it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a battle Royale. As Michael Jordan, a

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00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: chemodenagy Uh Sue Philo might be in the mix there,

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Speaker 1: Quentin Spain might be in the mix there. UM know

765
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: that that one, that one could be I think the

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Speaker 1: most interesting of all the spots. I do hope that

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Speaker 1: that Frank Pollock works with Jonah Williams on keeping the

768
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Speaker 1: width of the pocket. Jonah is a is a fantastic

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Speaker 1: athlete and he can widen the pocket. He has a

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Speaker 1: habit of taking his set a little bit too vertical

771
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: and turning and given a soft edge and shrinking the

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Speaker 1: width of the pocket. So if he can somehow work

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Speaker 1: with him on widening the tackles responsibilities to keep the

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Speaker 1: pocket wide, the center and guards responsibilities to keep the

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Speaker 1: pocket deep. So if that's that's what Jonah really needs

776
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Speaker 1: to work on, and it's gonna I think it's gonna

777
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,479
Speaker 1: be a battle royal. Though you look at the guys

778
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Speaker 1: that they drafted there, they're going to be thrown into

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00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: mix and compete. Um Identagy I think is going to

780
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: be in the in the competition, Billy Preisle being in

781
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Speaker 1: the interior. I mean, it's it's uh. They They've got

782
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: plenty of bodies. It's not like they're short of bodies.

783
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: Fred Johnson is still out there on the edge competing,

784
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Speaker 1: and he's he's played some guard. The thing is too,

785
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: that the position versatility aspect of it. So many guys

786
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: can play more than one position, So it could be

787
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 1: that the spots that they line up initially to start

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Speaker 1: training camp, they don't end up at to start the

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Speaker 1: start the regular season. I think Frank Pollock is the

790
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Speaker 1: kind of guy I'm putting my five best out there.

791
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: It's going to be open season guys, open competition. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Sue Philo, I think is going to be

793
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Speaker 1: a huge X factor. Like I said, I could see

794
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: him maybe getting snaps or maybe not even making the

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Speaker 1: team and everything in between. It's he's going to be

796
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: an interesting guy to watch. The next question comes from

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Speaker 1: Steve Oh. What position might the Bengal still targeting free agency?

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Speaker 1: You know, you think that I was thinking at some

799
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Speaker 1: point they would draft a corner, you know, And I

800
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Speaker 1: don't know what they're how happy they are with the

801
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: college free agents that they've signed at some of these positions,

802
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: but if there's a veteran corner out there that lowers

803
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: his price tag. And June first is another big date

804
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: because you know, that's the new cap year, so everybody's

805
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: salary cap changes after June first. That's why you hear

806
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, oh well, you know, the

807
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers thing will heat up and after June first,

808
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: such and sexual heat up after June first, because it's

809
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: a whole new fiscal year as such. So if the

810
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: Bengals are really serious about somebody, you know, it'd be

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Speaker 1: good to be able to get it done before June first,

812
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: when there's more teams in the bidding process, more teams

813
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: in the party. So if they do have somebody identified,

814
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: I'd like to see them, you know, try to get

815
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Speaker 1: it done in a timely fashion. The other part of

816
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: it is, I do think that their biggest priority right

817
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: now Bates and Hubbard. You know, they want to make

818
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: sure that they've got money set aside to extend those guys.

819
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Speaker 1: They don't want them going into the last year of

820
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: their contract and then playing lights out and it's like

821
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: she's now, we can't afford them, you know, they have

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Speaker 1: a habit of extending, So in my mind, I think

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Speaker 1: the first thing they always think of is take care

824
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Speaker 1: of the Rome that have performed for them. So I

825
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: think priority number one will be the extension of one

826
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Speaker 1: or two of those guys, potentially before signing other guys

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Speaker 1: free agents. That's a great point. I think that's one

828
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Speaker 1: of the reasons why sometimes people look at the Bengal

829
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: salary cap situation and say, boy, they still have plenty

830
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: of money left, why aren't they spending it on somebody? Well,

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Speaker 1: they do. They just wait until training camp is just

832
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: about over and then extend their own guys to put

833
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: some of that signing bonus toward that year's cap, which

834
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: is a very smart way of doing business. As for

835
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: positions that they might still sign somebody at this year,

836
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Speaker 1: I think they could still use a veteran linebacker. I

837
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 1: think we talked in a previous podcast about the notion

838
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Speaker 1: of bringing Josh Binds back. Maybe that happens. Maybe I

839
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Speaker 1: don't know, Quan Alexander's still out there, somebody like that,

840
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: but I think they could still use a vet at

841
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: that position. Group. I agree with you, Dan, you know,

842
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: I think that I think the young linebackers have all

843
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: shown that they're capable, but they're still still green. You know,

844
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: they're still developed. And year one to year two is

845
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: a is a real big development year. There's no question

846
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: about that. I mean, in terms of I shouldn't stay development,

847
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: I should say, you know, you start to understand the game,

848
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: the game slows down, you see things you know more

849
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: differently than you did as a as a rookie player.

850
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: But still there's there's nothing better than having a veteran

851
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: presence at any position group when it hits the fan

852
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: because those guys have been there, done that, They've seen it,

853
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: they know how to attack it. You know, what do

854
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: we have to do to solve this problem that that

855
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: kind of experience on game day I think is very invaluable.

856
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: All Right, the next question I'm going to combine to

857
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: Rob asked, are you expecting a winning record this season?

858
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: Roar Sports Media asks what's a reasonable number of wins

859
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: to expect if the Bengals stay reasonably healthy. You know,

860
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: you look at the division. Everybody's shooting the horn for

861
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: Cleveland as a Super Bowl contender, and uh, you know,

862
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: Barry has done a tremendous job up there. There's no question.

863
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: He's he's really got himself a coach that he feels

864
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: comfortable with, and I think has done a pretty darn

865
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,479
Speaker 1: good job in the draft and free agency the last

866
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: couple of years. So that that organization, you know, had

867
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: high picks for such a long period of time, was

868
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: a matter of time before you start to hit on

869
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: some of them. And I think they started to do that,

870
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: and they've They've got the right mix of talent and coaching,

871
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: I think, to bring themselves to another level. So I

872
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: think with good reason, they're highly regarded. And we know

873
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: what Baltimore is like in Pittsburgh with Ben you know,

874
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean Pittsburgh's Pittsburgh. They've never had a losing season

875
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: with Mike Tomlin as the head coach. Never, So division's tough.

876
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you go two and four in

877
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: the division, you may have played some pretty good football,

878
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: and you know, your two games under five hundred just

879
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: from the division alone. So I mean, if they if

880
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: they create to the five hundred mark, I mean, if

881
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: they are if they're an eight and eight football team,

882
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: yeah that's right, eight and nine, yeah, yeah, So if

883
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: they if they creep toward that, that type of scenario. Um,

884
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, I could see, I could see some some

885
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: reason to have optimism, particularly if they're in every game

886
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, they avoid getting torched. You know, you should

887
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: be beyond the point of having somebody put up over

888
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: five hundred yards on you and forty points and you know,

889
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: not being able to get anything done offensively and not

890
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: score a touchdown. You know, those games, those days should

891
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: be long gone. So um, you know you can you

892
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: can see that they'll there should be vast improvement and

893
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: it should dictate in the record. I mean, you know,

894
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: eight wins is doubling their win total from last year.

895
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: They went from two to four, go four to eight,

896
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: and then you know, pretty soon you're climbing that ladder

897
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: of success. But the division's tough. I mean, it's it's

898
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: as tough a division as there is in football. So

899
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: it's it's no easy task too. If they could go

900
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: five hundred in the division, three and three in the division,

901
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: that would be a great sign. That would be a

902
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: great sign that they're, you know, they're starting to get

903
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: what they need to get because that AFC North can

904
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: be a battle on a week to week basis. Yeah,

905
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: you nailed it all three of those teams made the

906
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 1: playoffs last year, so it's very hard to come away

907
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: with a great record within your own division. In the

908
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 1: AFC North, based on opponents record last year, the Bengals

909
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: have the sixth toughest schedule in the NFL, and the

910
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: AFC North is a big part of that. Their opponents

911
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: this coming year went one forty four and one twenty

912
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: eight last year. And in addition to the AFC North,

913
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: you throw in one of the Super Bowl teams, Kansas City,

914
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: you throw in the team that hosted the NFC Championship game,

915
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: Green Bay. That's eight games. That's nearly half year schedule.

916
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: So I do think a winning record or a game

917
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: under five hundred now that it's a seventeen game schedule

918
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: would be a good target for this next season. And

919
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: then the following year is when you try to get

920
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: hope to be back into playoff contention. All right, next

921
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: question from Greg, who's the Bengals' biggest steal in this

922
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: year's draft? You know, that's that one's going to be

923
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: interesting because until you get these guys here and start,

924
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: you know, working them out and seeing what they really are.

925
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 1: But I've got I've got a feeling about this wired

926
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: Huber guy, you know, I mean I think that this

927
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: kid is I think he's got he's got something to him.

928
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: Thirty four tackles to lost, twenty twenty quarterback sacks and

929
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: they let him, you know, go up and down the

930
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage an attack on his own. I mean,

931
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: if they get fifteen snaps a game as an edge

932
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: rush in some way, shape or form from this guy,

933
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: and special teams snaps as well, that's great value for

934
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: a seventh round pick, you know. So, I mean I

935
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: think when I look at but I think, boy, potentially

936
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: there's a guy that could that could really give them

937
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: a lot more than most seventh round picks would be

938
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: given their football team. I also look at Trey Hill

939
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: and I think, all right, he may not if Trey

940
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: Hopkins is not available at the center position. What if

941
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: this kid shows that he's capable, or if he shows

942
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: that he can compete a guard, he may be another

943
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: candidate to play left guard. Like I think he's as

944
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: a sixth round guy, I think there's some some vast

945
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: potential there. I think Deante Smith is more of a

946
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: developmental guy, you know. I think other guys, you know,

947
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: like Sample and Shelvin. I mean, they've got they've already

948
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: got roles identified for those guys. I think, and some

949
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: of these other guys are like, don't don't exactly know,

950
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: you know, what they're going to be able to give us,

951
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: But if they can give us these kind of things, wow,

952
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: that would be pretty exciting. I'm gonna say, Joseph Osi,

953
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: now he's a third round draft picks. It's hard to

954
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: really look at a guy taking that high as a

955
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: steel but just based on where he was generally rated

956
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: in comparison to where the Bengals got him. The Athletics

957
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: consensus board where they took like fifty big boards and

958
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: then came up with a number had him as forty

959
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: two overall. That would be the tenth pick in the

960
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: second round. The Bengals got him with a fifth pick

961
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 1: of the third round, so that's basically an entire round

962
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: after where he was rated, right, And I think, I mean,

963
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: I think they have big plans for him, and I

964
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,720
Speaker 1: think he's going to live up to those plans. Sometimes guys,

965
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, runs on positions are made, you know,

966
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: like and the run was made before your value came up,

967
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden another run's not made

968
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 1: until Wow, you should have gone sooner, but you didn't

969
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: go when that first run happened, and you were one

970
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: of the first guys left. But other positions right, and

971
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: then you your position came up again. And that's how

972
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: guys end up sliding around. And it's not it's not.

973
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with their ability and their talents.

974
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: It's just you know, mathematics, nature of the board, the

975
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: nature of needs, the nature of what teams are, how

976
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: they've stacked their boards or whatever. But yeah, I mean

977
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: this this guy, he's got the fastest ten yard time

978
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: in the draft, you know from the edge guys. That's

979
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: that's some explosiveness right there. And I do think he's

980
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: he's slightly stiff in his hips a little bit, you know,

981
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: but I think, man, he's and he's a guy like

982
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: has been talked about. You've mentioned it more than one

983
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: s Dan Effort, you know, play with your hair and

984
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: fire man. He's one of those guys. And he's he

985
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: might be nubro Uno in terms of those guys. And

986
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: that's that's another reason I like, uh, you know, I

987
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: like this this kid why Hubert in the seventh round,

988
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: He's he's like that. You know, they they give him

989
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: a comp of Hendrickson the same type of dimensions body

990
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: type wise in the way they play and um, there's

991
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with effort, guys. And in football in general

992
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 1: and particularly THEFC North, you have to run the ball

993
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: and have some sort of a running games monica so

994
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: you can throw it, and then defensively you have to

995
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: stop the run to have the right to rush the passer.

996
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: They only had seventeen sacks. Why because they were sieve

997
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: and the run. You know, you have to stop the

998
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: run and and generate the right to rush the passion.

999
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: And they should have a lot more weapons on the

1000
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: edge to be able to rush the pastor this year.

1001
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: The next two questions are similar. Jordan asks, what's the

1002
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: difference between Frank Pollock and Jim Turner's techniques and teaching style?

1003
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: MT asks our offensive line positions the easiest to coach up,

1004
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: not that it's easy, but where coaching can make a

1005
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: world of difference. Yeah, I think I think coaching can

1006
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: make a world of difference in the offensive line, and

1007
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: I think implementation of techniques are big and I think

1008
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: that Frank Pollock, having played nine years in the league

1009
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: understands that everybody type is different. Some guys are high waisted,

1010
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: short arms. Some guys are, you know, long arms and

1011
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: not much of an upper body but have long legs.

1012
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: Some guys don't have any length of their legs. But

1013
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's and it's everything in between. And

1014
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, the magic number is thirty three in terms

1015
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: of arm length to play tackle. While there are tackles

1016
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: they're in the Hall of Fame that don't have thirty

1017
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: inch arm length, and some of them, your arms didn't

1018
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: make any difference because you had to put your fists

1019
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: in your chest and you couldn't use your hands or

1020
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 1: your arms, so it didn't matter how long your arms

1021
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: were back then. But now that you're able to extend

1022
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: your hands and you know, attack people that way, arm

1023
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: length is a big deal. But a lot of these

1024
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: guys overcome short arms with unbelievable feet because they're in

1025
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: a phone booth because their arms are shorter, so they're

1026
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: going to be guys are going to get into them

1027
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: as such. And now you're you're in a war in

1028
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,959
Speaker 1: a phone booth and you're battling, and who's got feet

1029
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: to stay balanced, Who's who's on the ground who's not

1030
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 1: on the ground, So you're a lot of these guys

1031
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: get to this level and have overcome their short arms

1032
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: because of their excellent feet. Sometimes it's vice verse. The

1033
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: guy didn't have great feet, looks like his feet are

1034
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: in concrete. You've got thirty five inch arms, so he

1035
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: can recover with his arms and then his feet come.

1036
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: The guys with the short arms were covered with their

1037
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: feet and then their arms come. It's so you make

1038
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: up for your deficiencies. And and I think Frank pollits

1039
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: techniques and his implementation of them, his understand He has

1040
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: an acute understanding of not everybody's the same because he

1041
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: played nine years in the league and he saw different

1042
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: kinds of body parts and types and all that. So

1043
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna suggest this this work

1044
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 1: for this guy who's built similar to you. So I'm

1045
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: not going to make you do a technique just because

1046
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: I think this is the way it's got to be done.

1047
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to mollify, modify, adjust what i'm

1048
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: doing to work with your body. And I think that's

1049
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: where Frank has a very good understanding, and I think

1050
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: that's where the players are going to respond to him

1051
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: big time with that. What was your wingspan coming out

1052
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: of Syracuse in the seventy four NFL draft. That's a

1053
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: good question. They didn't, they didn't do that stuff. It

1054
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: was it's it's it's so when I think back, I mean,

1055
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: my gosh, man, the Senior Bowl was there were there

1056
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: were owners, there, there were head coaches, there, there are gms, there,

1057
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: there are line When we did one on one pass rush,

1058
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: it was like I'm looking at it's who's who the

1059
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: NFL it was because there was you know, there was nothing,

1060
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: there was no it there were no cell phones, there

1061
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: wasn't there wasn't anything. It was it was crazy and

1062
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: uh yeah, they I never really remember getting my wingspan

1063
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: measured as such. It's a good question. You look like

1064
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: about a thirty three and three quarter got of me.

1065
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Adam. How improved should the defensive

1066
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: line be this year? You know, when you look at it,

1067
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 1: it should be you know, you've you've added you've added

1068
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: much more talent. You know, let's face it. The guys

1069
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: that they were rolling in there at the end of

1070
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: the season, they literally got off the street and there

1071
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: are effort guys. I'm not saying that they weren't, you know,

1072
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: just punching o'clock and just getting through. They were given

1073
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: everything they've got, but you know, they just they just

1074
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: weren't uh NFL starting caliber players in some cases that

1075
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: they were thrown out there and they got they got

1076
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: taken advantage of in some cases as well. So you

1077
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: look at the depth and what they what they've done

1078
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: and uh and created creating that depth, they should be

1079
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: much better defensively. I mean, DJ Reader, hopefully we'll have

1080
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: a full season. Um Ogland. Joeby is going to be

1081
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: a factor. Obviously, Trey Hendrickson's going to be a factor,

1082
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. And then what they did

1083
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 1: in the draft, you know, getting four guys, there's there's

1084
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: seven players right there. How many of they're gonna keep?

1085
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: Are they going to keep nine? We're gonna keep ten? Um.

1086
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: You know, you've got you other guys that uh you

1087
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: know that were injured during the course of the season,

1088
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: that that didn't didn't finish, uh finished the year. UM Wren,

1089
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: you know, Wren has got some evential Wren he went

1090
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: down early with a tell attendon issue. I mean that

1091
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: that's those type of injuries or severe. Obviously, Daniels is

1092
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: still out there and they brought him back to Cincinnati

1093
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: and uh and got him, you know, taking care of

1094
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: So there's some depth there. Gino's still out there. You

1095
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: look at the list, he's kind of down in terms

1096
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: of the veterans that are still out there in free agency,

1097
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: and a lot of that is he probably still wants

1098
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: too much money, so you know, there's there's things that

1099
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: it can be tweaked, but there's no doubt in my

1100
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,720
Speaker 1: mind that I think on a snap by snap basis,

1101
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: they'll be putting a much better product out there as

1102
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: a whole from a defensive line perspective than they did

1103
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: last year. I mean, DJ Reader and Larry Ogan Jobi

1104
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: is such a huge upgrade over what they wound up

1105
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: having to play a defensive tackle for most of the year,

1106
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: and God love Gino for trying. I have so much

1107
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: admiration for him for gutting it out with that bad

1108
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: shoulder injury, but unfortunately, playing one armed, he was completely

1109
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: ineffective and it was hard to watch. It was I mean,

1110
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: they they they struggled, and you know, you look at

1111
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: uh Um, you look at guys like Xavier Williams and

1112
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: Christian Covington, and they gave everything, everything they had, but

1113
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: you know it just wasn't just wasn't quite quite enough.

1114
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: You know. Freedom. However, you're taking mullin doon. There you go. Freedom.

1115
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: Uh but you know Tupa, you know, with with him

1116
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: coming back after opting out last year, that that's another

1117
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: big body guy. Why body guy that they could have

1118
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: used last year a big time. Uh. They they've got

1119
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: some space eaters. There's there's absolutely no question about it.

1120
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: And I'm very interested in seeing Tyler Shelvin um how

1121
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: that guy will impact it. I think I think he's

1122
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna give them a lot of quality snaps.

1123
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be tougher to run on this

1124
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: football team. Uh, inside between the tackles. And it was

1125
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: last year, last year it was open season. This year,

1126
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: I think you need a hunting license. We'll see. The

1127
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: next question comes from Dustin. Do you see a scenario

1128
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: in which rookie running back Chris Evans gets a lot

1129
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: of plays in the slot. It seems like we are

1130
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: somewhat light in depth in the wide receiver room. Yeah,

1131
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: I mean, depending on what kind of uh you know, availability,

1132
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: he'll be on game day. Um, will he be able

1133
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: to get in the mix on special teams? Will he

1134
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: be active? Will he be deactivated? Will he be a

1135
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: practice squad guy? There's no telling. I mean, just because

1136
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: a guy gets drafted doesn't necessarily mean oh, his role

1137
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: is going to be this. You have to go out

1138
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: and earn that role. But they're going to give him

1139
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: every opportunity, I think, And you know, when you look

1140
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: at it, they've got one of the best slot receivers

1141
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: in you know, in all of football, and Tyler Boyd

1142
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: there's no question about that. But you know, Alex Erickson

1143
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: is gone. Alex Erikson's now at Houston Texan. You know,

1144
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: Mike Thomas can can give you a little bit of both.

1145
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: He can give you, you know, some some versatility there.

1146
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: It's not beyond the realm, a possibility that if you

1147
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: go if you have a situation where you can say, Okay,

1148
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: you have a guy that you can line up as

1149
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: a running back or as a slot receiver, what are

1150
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: you gonna do. You're gonna play base, You're gonna play Nicol.

1151
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: How you're going to match up? Nick could play with

1152
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: him that way? Did it with Givanni Bernard Giravanni Bernard

1153
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: a lot of times lined up as the widest receiver slot,

1154
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: and you know, all indications are that, you know, they

1155
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: can do the same same type of thing, you know

1156
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: with Chris Evans, so versatility is key. I think he's

1157
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: got that versatility. He was the best player available on

1158
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: their board in their estimation, so they went with him.

1159
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: So they like him enough to, you know, to make

1160
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: him a Cincinnati Bengal in the sixth round. I'm sure

1161
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: they have plans for him. Nate asks, other than the

1162
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: oh line, what position groups are the biggest question marks? Well,

1163
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, going into the draft, the biggest question marks

1164
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: were offensive line, defensive line, wide receiver. Nay addressed them

1165
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: offensive line, defensive line more so than wide receiver. They

1166
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: draft one wide receiver, and you know, free agency is

1167
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: still being being taken care of college free agents. You know,

1168
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure that they feel like they got

1169
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: any help there that's going to be consequential. But I

1170
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: still think that just because you draft those you can't

1171
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: say until you actually have them out there. You've got presents.

1172
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: Draft Day was Christmas Eve and Santa Claus came and

1173
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: the presents would delivered. You know, and now when they

1174
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: go to mini camp, when they have the rookie Minicamp

1175
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: for the first time, the coaches would be able to

1176
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 1: unwrap the present, actually get their hands on guys. See,

1177
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: guys say what I saw on tape? Is that projecting

1178
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: to what I'm seeing right up here, up close and

1179
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: personal with this guy? Yeah it is, or she's really

1180
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: it's not can he do the things that we're hoping

1181
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: he can do? Until you go through that, and then

1182
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: that's just the step of it. Then you have to

1183
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: put pads on and start to hit. And a lot

1184
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: of guys look like Tarzan, you know, in shorts and

1185
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: T shirts, and they put pads and helmets on. They

1186
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: play like Jane. So you know, you have to go

1187
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: through the entire evaluation process before you even start to

1188
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: think I've addressed some of these spots. It's like when

1189
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: these grades are given after a draft, how the hell

1190
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,439
Speaker 1: do you know? You don't know for two or three years.

1191
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: You know, on a lot of guys. Some guys you'll

1192
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: find out right away, but other guys need development. Other

1193
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: guys you know just oh it didn't work out. They

1194
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: couldn't make the transition from what they were doing in

1195
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: college to what we were asking to do in the NFL.

1196
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: Maybe another team they can transition easier to. So it's

1197
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: it's that cracks me up when they do these letter grades,

1198
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: like it's this one's cookie cutter, cut and dry it.

1199
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: But that's what makes the draft great, that's what makes

1200
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: the NFL great, That's what makes all the conversation great.

1201
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: But it's double edged sword because scouts, coaches, all these

1202
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: people like, you know, my job hangs in the balance

1203
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: with some of this stuff, you know, and I don't.

1204
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: I don't even know right now. I have to go

1205
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: through my whole process. I went through the draft process.

1206
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: Now I have to go through the process of seeing

1207
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: what I have and developing them from that point forward.

1208
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: And it's a it's not an overnight process where you're

1209
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: going to get a letter gae letter grade the day

1210
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: after the draft. The grades are completely worthless. But I

1211
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: check out everyone. I can't help myself. I think the

1212
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: biggest question mark now is cornerback. They've got a ton

1213
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: of talent, but Terius Phillips is basically the only guy

1214
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: that's played in a Bengal's uniform, So Trey Wayne's should

1215
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: obey a woogie Eli Apple, Mike Hilton. Again, that's that's

1216
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: a good talent base that they've built up. Now they've

1217
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: got to introduce each each of them to each other,

1218
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: no no doubt. I mean probably at the very beginning

1219
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: of training camp, going have to tape with name on

1220
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: their helmets, you know, the strip of tape to identify

1221
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: themselves to each other. It is, it's it's a it's

1222
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: a crazy scenario. But yeah, when you look at it,

1223
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: raw talent, raw potential, and a lot of it is

1224
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: proven already NFL in game, proven player. But sometimes, I mean,

1225
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: I know I experienced that you go from one team

1226
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: to another, even when coaches come in, it's a whole

1227
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: new you know, whole new day. I mean, what you

1228
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: did in the past really doesn't matter. New system, new

1229
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: set of eyes, evaluating on all that. And then when

1230
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: you go from one franchise to another, man it's it's

1231
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: it's a it's a big difference. It doesn't happen just

1232
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: with the snap of a finger. So and I fully

1233
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: expect that it will, but not overnight. But these guys,

1234
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: they have to learn each other's you know, strengths and weaknesses.

1235
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: When you start to play well as an offensive line.

1236
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: You know exactly what that guy next to you can

1237
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: and can't do, so you don't make a call to

1238
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: maybe put him in a situation where that's dicey if

1239
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: we can execute that. And then if you line up

1240
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: in a certain defensive front, lines up a certain way,

1241
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: or they have a certain skill player in that, you know,

1242
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: the make a call that help that situation and that

1243
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: doesn't need help. What call do I make to help

1244
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: the situation that needs help. All those kind of things

1245
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: aren't just done overnight. It takes it takes some time.

1246
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: But I think that I think that they've got they

1247
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: have on the hoof, you know, meat on the hoof.

1248
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: They have that they do have some talent there to

1249
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: work with. I mean, they got a bunch of clay

1250
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: that can be molded by talented artists. We'll see him.

1251
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: The last ask lap question comes from Tom. Do you

1252
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: see cam Sample as an inside or an outside guy?

1253
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: I see him more so as an outside guy with

1254
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: the ability to kick down inside and give pass rush inside.

1255
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: But I see him as a as a you know,

1256
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: but he can, I mean, he can line it. He's

1257
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: big enough to line up inside and give you snaps.

1258
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: But I see him as a as an edge guy

1259
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: that can you know, set an edge in that running

1260
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: game and pass rush as a as a defensive end.

1261
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: But you know, also if you want to go with

1262
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: your NASCAR package and have quicker guys that he can

1263
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: kick down inside and pass rush at defensive tackle. But

1264
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: I think that's part of the beauty of sample, is

1265
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: that position versatility. He can do either for you. And

1266
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: it's not like he can't go in there and play

1267
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: defensive tackle defending the run as a three technique either.

1268
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: But I think I think I'd like to see him

1269
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 1: on the edge more so. He's a talented kid. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to everybody who's submitted ask lap questions. And Happy

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Speaker 1: Mother's Day to Lynn and Sarah. I appreciate that very much.

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Speaker 1: And Happy Mother's Day to Peg. You got a good

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Speaker 1: celebration plan we do. We're gonna all it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: just a massive get together. It's gonna be you know, grant, grandkids, cousins,

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Speaker 1: big family day. It'll be a lot of fun, lots

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Speaker 1: of food, probably too much food, No such thing, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no such thing really really and maybe by the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, too much adult beverage. Who knows. That's

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Speaker 1: going to do it. For this episode of the Bengals

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