WEBVTT - In Search of A Connection 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.680 Moscow Police are investigating a homicide on King Rhode. 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.120 Cause and manner of death was homicide by stabbing. 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:13.240 This is terrible. 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:14.040 It's a blood death. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:25.760 This is the Idaho Massacre. A production of KT Studios 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:34.040 and iHeartRadio, episode three In Search of a Connection. I'm 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:38.640 Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at KT Studios. With Stephanie Leidecker, 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:45.320 Jeff Shane, and Connor Powell. An unthinkable nightmare comes to 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:49.800 life in the small college community of Moscow. Four students 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:52.320 at the University of Idaho butcher to death in the 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:57.880 early hours of Sunday, November thirteenth. The gruesome murders spark 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:02.600 a multi state investigation stretch from Washington to Idaho to Pennsylvania. 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:07.840 The forty eight day investigation ends it on the other 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.240 side of the country with the stunning arrest of a 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.800 PhD criminal student and would be law enforcement officer named 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:19.480 Brian Coberger. Moscow Police James fry On the arrest. 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:24.560 These tragic murders took four young, vibrant lives from our community. 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:26.679 These murders have. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:31.160 Shaken our community and no arrest will ever bring back 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:35.319 these young students. However, we do believe justice will be 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:36.800 found through the criminal process. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:39.880 Was there some sort of connection. 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:44.319 I think that it is likely that there's a relationship 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:50.639 between these four students and this person. From the first 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:54.760 hours of the investigation, law enforcement officials described the murders 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:59.800 of Kaylee Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and Eitha Chapin 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:04.760 as a targeted attack, but police offered no other information. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.880 Shannon Gray, an attorney representing the family of soon to 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.560 graduate senior Killie Gonsalvez, said publicly that none of the 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:16.240 victims knew Brian Coberger, leaving the question how is this 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:20.840 a targeted attack? Here's Stephanie Leideker, Jeff Shane and producer 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:21.640 Connor Powell. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.400 I think when we all picture a murder of this size, 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:32.120 we picture a masked killer like you see in the movies, 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:36.360 But in reality, stranger homicide is extremely rare. This changes 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.280 from year to year, but typically around fifty percent of 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.640 all murder victims are killed by someone they know. So 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.200 it begs the question, how did the accuse, Brian Coburger 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:44.440 know the victims. 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.200 It does feel like there has to be some connective 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.520 tissue in some way either maybe they met in passing 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:52.800 or maybe they had some sort of class together. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:57.160 Social media allows people to know people but not actually 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.600 know them, that they can follow them, they can essentially 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:03.280 digital stock them. So he might have known them and 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:05.119 they might never have known him. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.320 And that's actually a parasocial relationship, which is this one 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.720 way relationship we have with it used to be people 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.120 on TV, in the movies, but now with the social media, 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:17.119 you really can intimately know someone without ever having met them. 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.400 And you can also see the layout to their home. 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.000 We're on social media and we're doing it in our 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.080 houses or outside of our houses, and that can be 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.399 a real tell for anybody who's a predator. 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.720 As we know, the victims were frequently posting on social media, 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.120 which oftentimes showed the layout of their home. 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.320 The six bedroom house on King Road is tucked away 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.960 in a residential area of Moscow. It's surrounded by an 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:49.200 eighteen hole golf course, the University of Idaho's fraternity row, 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:53.000 and other residential homes. It sits about two miles from 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.200 the large commercial shopping area where the Target and Walmart 0:03:56.240 --> 0:04:00.280 are and about two miles from the main downtown bar area. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.560 About four years before the crime, I was in Moscow, Idaho, 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.120 for homecoming. I was campaigning for Congress in the first 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:14.920 District of Idaho, so participated in the homecoming parade, passing 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.640 out literature, shaking a few hands, waving at the crowd. 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.840 At the conclusion of the parade, one of my good 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.280 supporters who was also in town, a friend of mine 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.000 and a law office client of mine, had a son 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:31.600 who was one of the rental residents leasing that particular property. 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.880 That's David H. Leroy speaking to producer Jeff Shane. Leroy 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:40.000 is a former local prosecutor turned defense attorney. He served 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.400 as Idaho's Attorney General. He's also a graduate of the 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.160 University of Idaho College of Law and has been in 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:47.679 the house where the murders happened. 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:54.200 So we went over to the house, ended up on 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.960 the second floor in a living room area, and chatted 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.279 with his son and the other two three residents who 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.680 were students at the university at that time living in 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:06.840 the house where the crime would be committed. About four 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:07.680 years later. 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:08.719 What was it like being in there? 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:14.279 A gray, three story building set in a relatively hard 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:18.320 to get to backwater street up against a hill, so 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.599 that you have a couple of different levels of entry 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.400 in the house. To go into the lowest level is 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:30.800 basically almost a daylight type basement, and then you must 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.320 walk up a stairway to get to the second floor, 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:38.760 where bedrooms and the living room area occupy the front 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:42.880 of the house. Upstairs, there are additional bedrooms. We didn't 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.919 visit those, but it's a three story set against the 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:51.839 hill structure that has multiple entrance levels and multiple exit levels. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.679 You were a student there, so you've I imagined lived 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.840 in different places. It was this house typical of where 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:59.560 a student might live in Moscow. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:04.960 This house was probably built in the nineteen seventies, no 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.880 later than the eighties, in an area that's immediately adjacent 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:14.440 to campus, literally the campus boundary and the fraternities and 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:19.080 sororities that ring the center of the campus against a 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.480 large hill which is topped by the University of Idaho's 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.680 water tower with a big emblematic eye on the exterior 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.400 of the structure. Is no more than a quarter of 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:34.080 a mile off campus. It's against a hill with single 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:40.560 family residences and other student population apartment buildings, and it's 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:44.599 perhaps no more than half a mile from the center 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.400 of the campus. Two thirds of a mile from the 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:48.640 student union itself. 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.800 When they weren't sure who did it, they thought this 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:53.960 couldn't be that random because this house was kind of 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:55.880 tucked away. It was a little bit on It's not 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:57.560 like a cul de sac, but it's a little bit 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.239 of a dead end, like it's on a major thoroughfare. 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:01.360 What's your take on that. 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.960 Now, there's no immediate arterial approximate to this house. You 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:10.280 must turn off an arterial and then off a sub arterial, 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.640 and then off that sub arterial to go up a 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:18.040 hillside almost to a dead end about one hundred or 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.280 one hundred and twenty five yards before you get to 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.160 this house. To get to this structure where the killings 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.800 took place, you have to work at it, and you 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.000 don't immediately pass by it on your way to anything else. 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.520 So it stands to reason that whomever did this did 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.400 not just stumble upon the house. 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.640 A lot of the issues that was of great concern 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:45.720 semantically as these investigations were developing was whether these children 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:50.320 and whether this house was quote targeted in some way. 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:56.320 The initial observations of the law enforcement officials the prosecutor 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.400 included with it there was some kind of targeting, and 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.680 it was a lot logical conclusion, given where this event 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:07.679 happened and the fact that so many students were involved 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:12.080 as victims. But it is some place that you need 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.600 to work to get to and would not necessarily happen 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.560 upon even if you were looking for a random place 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:19.440 to commit a crime. 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.400 Here again, Stephanie, Jeff and Connor. 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.120 I want to Google Maps. I just want to map 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.080 out where this house on King Road was. And it's 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.880 really not a part of the city of Moscow where 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.200 people would just sort of end up. It's not near 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.720 the main bar area, it's not near the commercial shopping area. 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.160 It is a really secluded, little sort of neighborhood. A 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:44.880 lot of people live there, but it's not the type 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.040 of place that you would just sort of drive. 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.080 By, and that's been confirmed by a few people that 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.200 we've talked to who have actually been to the house, 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.800 that it's a truck to get there and you wouldn't 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:55.679 just stumble upon it. 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:57.840 I think one of the things that is sort of 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.520 interesting about the house is it really was considered a 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.360 party house, which really isn't all that surprising given the 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.760 fact that there's a bunch of upperclassmen living in there. 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.280 Some seniors soon to be graduating seniors. It's close to 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.320 Toney Row, And I think the real question is is like, 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.559 is there any possibility that Brian Coburger would have ever 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.320 have been in that house for some other reason? 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.840 And if Brian Coburger, you know, is a PhD student, 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.160 whether he was invited or not, maybe he could have 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.600 sort of slipped in the back door and without being 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:25.880 spotted or would that be unusual. 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.360 We know that the house had parties where even the 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.079 girls weren't always at the parties. I mean there's a 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.000 police record of police showing up and none of the 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:34.920 residents of the house or even there, and they're talking 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:36.600 to some people who don't live there, and the police 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.559 are like, well, you got a noise complaint. We really 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:40.280 need to talk to somebody who's on the lease. And 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.640 so people are always coming and going from this house. 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.320 But still, how do you get from Pullman as a 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.240 PhD criminology student too, as you said, somebody who's kind 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.439 of creepy. How do you end up at an undergraduate 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.360 house in a totally different university. It just doesn't seem 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.880 likely that Brian would have ended up there unless somebody 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.080 invited them. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.960 If the house on CA Road was targeted, as police say, 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.080 was it because of who lived there? Here's Jeff Shane 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.679 speaking with reporter and Jeannette Levy from the Law and 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:08.560 Crime Network. 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.079 Does it matter how he knew them? 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.559 I think it becomes relevant if he knew them, because 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.440 it's just another dot to connect. I mean, if he 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.160 didn't know them, if he actually had never interacted with 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:24.120 any of them, that's so terrifying. If he's indeed the 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.120 guilty party, what in the heck is going on? Like 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.240 why did you kill these people? 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:29.880 You know? 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.600 It just I think it's more of like an understanding 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.880 it does. It's an explanation, not an excuse, Like, but 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.400 I think you have to look at had he ever 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:39.319 interacted with them? 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:40.679 Because he's like, I don't. 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:41.320 Know who these girls are. 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:43.040 I don't know who these people are, and I have 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.800 no clue what's going on. Why would I have anything 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.160 to do with these kids? They're way younger than I was. 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.839 I'm a twenty eight year old PhD student. I mean, 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:54.520 I think it connects a dot if you if he 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:59.040 had indeed interacted with any of them. 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:02.640 Brian Kobak moved to Pullman, Washington to begin his PhD 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.839 studies in June of twenty twenty two. According to a 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.560 police have of David, cell phone data showed he was 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.960 in the area of the home on King Road at 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:15.680 least twelve times between August twenty twenty two and the murders. 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.280 But did Brian Coburger know or have a connection to 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:26.600 any of the victims? Here again, Jeff Connor and Stephanie by. 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.840 All accounts, Ethan being at the house was kind of 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.959 just chance. Yes, he stayed with Xana a lot, but 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.720 Zana would also stay at his fraternity house, So based 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:37.880 on what we know now, it's stands to reason he 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:39.960 didn't know Ethan would even be home that night. 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:44.079 Evan's Instagram profile was set to private, but it seems 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.600 unlikely that Ethan was the target given the fact that 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.800 his social media presence was pretty limited and there's no 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:54.080 connection between Ethan and Brian Koberger. 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.080 What a horrifying thought too, that this could have been 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.720 a missed night for him, you know, the sliding. 0:11:59.480 --> 0:11:59.840 Door of that. 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:04.320 What was it about that particular day in the alleged 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:08.800 assailant's life that said, today's the day. It just makes 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.760 you think if he had gotten a flat tire, or 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.640 if he had caught a cold, or if the light 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:18.040 was red and not green, something maybe could have shaken 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.120 him out of this morning, and who knows, maybe four 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.280 people could still be alive. You know, this is the 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:24.439 stuff nightmares. 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:30.360 Are made of. All three of the female victims, twenty 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.960 one year old Kaylee Gonsalves, twenty year old Xana Kernodle, 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:38.200 and twenty one year old Madison Mogan, had public Instagram accounts, 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:42.679 and all three roommates regularly posted to social media, including TikTok. 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:47.080 It doesn't appear that Madison, Kaylee, Zena, or Ethannu Cooburger. 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:49.800 None of them followed anyone by the name of Brian 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:54.679 Coberger on social media. However, Kaylee Consalvas's father, Steve, has 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.360 said there are connections between his daughter and Coburger, but 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.920 he has not commented on the possible connection. 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.040 With so little information coming out at the beginning, there 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.840 was so much speculation about the victims and the accused 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.840 and their movements around the murders. As we know, Maddie 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.120 and Kaylee spent their final night at the Corner Club, 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.280 which is a popular bar in downtown Moscow, and people 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.680 had speculated that maybe Coberger had been there, he was 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.640 a regular, that he met them there, he saw them there. 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.800 There's been nothing to say that that's true. It's possible. 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.800 Yeah, it's not addressed at all in the probable cause affidavit. 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:35.120 It's not addressed by investigators in anywhere. It's just pure speculation. Sure, 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:39.120 anything is possible, but there's nothing linking Brian Koberger to 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.800 the Corner Club, either that night or previous nights. And 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:44.360 you know, that's one of those sort of rumors that 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.559 I think has kind of been shot down, But it 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.840 doesn't seem that that is the connection between Brian Coberger 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:51.240 and the four victims. 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.840 There was also a rumor or there were reports that 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.679 Xana and Maddie, as we know, were both waitresses at 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:02.920 the same restaurant, and one of the unidentified workers from 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:07.040 that restaurant claimed that they remembered Coburger attending there because 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:10.760 he had a very strict diet and had very specific 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.400 diet requests, but that ended up becoming unfounded as well. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.560 Reporter an Jeannette Levy also went to the Mad Greek 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.280 restaurant and spoke to people there. 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.440 I have been to the Mad Greek, and nobody at 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.480 the Mad Greek that I spoke to recalled ever seeing 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.760 him there, and they knew the young woman who worked there, 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:34.280 you know, Sannah worked there and Maddie worked there. So 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.200 the people I talked with at the Mad Greek did 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:38.640 not recall ever seeing him there. 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.880 The owner of the Mad Greek, Jackie Fisher, also issued 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.640 a statement that said there is no evidence that Coburger 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:51.960 ate at the restaurant. Let's stop here for a break, 0:14:52.160 --> 0:15:02.880 We'll be back in a moment. Online in media, speculation 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:06.320 about a possible connection between Coburger and the victims has 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.960 largely focused on some type of social media connection. Did 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:17.160 Brian Coburger digitally stock Xana, Maddie and Kaylee again Stephanie, 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:18.200 jeff and Connor? 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:23.920 According to People magazine, Coburger followed Maddie, Kaylee and Xana 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.760 before the account was actually deleted, meaning his account was deleted. 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.080 There's no mention of the other two roommates. Is that 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.480 enough of a connection? And again, is this just rumor? 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.760 The outlet also reported that Coburger message at least one 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.800 of the victims. They didn't respond, but then apparently Brian 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.520 Coburger reached out again and again and again and again 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.880 and again. Is that Stocker mentality or is that just 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.840 somebody on social media who wants an answer on something 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.720 and now that's getting blown into something larger. 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.760 I actually looked for myself in terms of did Brian 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.680 follow them, because, as we know, the victims' profiles were 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:09.120 mostly public, and if you search through Kayley's followers, for example, 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.320 there are Brian Coberger profiles who follow her, but now 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.280 there's a bunch of them. So it's clear that there 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.480 are people out in the world who are making accounts 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:19.880 with Brian Coberger's names following these victims, which that level 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.840 of depravity is disgusting, But to me, that indicates that 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:24.720 we as the public don't know for sure if you 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.560 followed them. Of course, officials might know something we don't 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.960 because what People magazine reports that two weeks prior to 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.960 the murders in late October, he allegedly sent a message 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.720 to one of the victims, basically just saying, hey, how 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.200 are you, but he didn't get a response, and kept 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.400 repeatedly messaging them over and over again. 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.440 What is a person supposed to do? Somebody reaches out 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.400 to them on social media or dms them and they 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:52.280 don't want to engage, so they just ignore. But yet 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:56.760 that ignoring somehow gets potentially obsessive for the person who's 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.600 not getting a response. There's no right or wrong answer. 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.520 It seems very plausible, and it makes sense that Brian 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.159 Coberger was probably using social media to contact him. I 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.320 mean that just as we're trying to find an answer 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.000 for what's the connection, that seems like very likely, right, 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:15.000 But you know, an unnamed source in People magazine like, 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.399 how much do you want to actually grab onto that 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.280 and say yeah, this is this is concrete. It still 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:24.000 feels like until we get it from investigators, it still 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.320 feels like just a theory and just an idea as 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:27.920 opposed to something that you can be like, oh yeah, 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.800 that definitely happened. That is for a fact, you know 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:31.520 the connection. 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.720 Here's Jeff Shane speaking with Antonette Levy from the Law 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:38.720 on Crime Network. 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:40.960 Knowing him, though, was such a loose term. I mean, 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.879 she could have matched with him on Tender and said, oh, 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:45.239 no thanks, I don't want to go out with you, 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.840 and he latched onto that and she wouldn't have known him. 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.760 You're right, And I was actually told that some of 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:53.960 the people on Tender. I was told that some of 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:57.000 the kids in that area use tender for networking and 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.920 stuff like that, not just for dating. But I don't 0:17:59.920 --> 0:18:02.080 know whether that's true or not. Maybe there could have 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.320 been some type of tender connection, I don't know, But 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.840 as far as them interacting and you know, hey we 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.080 went on a date or we're friends or what have you, 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:13.080 I'm not aware of any connection like that. And frankly, 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.440 I think the fact that he went to Maddie's room first, 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:20.000 that to me says a lot. So was she the target? 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.440 Did he somehow interact with her at some point in time? 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:23.800 I don't think we know these things. 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.240 Could Brian Kobecker have seen one of the women online 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.160 and tried to start a relationship, only to be ignored 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:30.879 and rejected. 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:36.520 They don't consider murdering women a hate crime, but I 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.360 think a lot of these cases are pretty much fall 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.239 into that sort of category where you have white men 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.400 who are rejected or you know, not they don't get 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:43.959 what they want when they want it, and that's why 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:45.600 they do it, and it's just such a like this 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.359 inceell mentality, like where they're just so like women should 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:49.840 just be like, you know, falling out their news to 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.040 me and that's not the way the world works. And 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:53.520 then they're just so bitter about it that you know 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.560 everything is working out for them that suddenly the world's 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.200 against them, and you know they're a victim, and it's, 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:58.159 you know, poor me. 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.280 Chris Bargo is a reporter with the TV magazine show 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:07.639 Inside Edition and has been covering the Idaho murders. He 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.879 spoke to Stephanie and Jeff about Brian Coberger's dating life 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.400 and what he found out about Coburger's often creepy interactions 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:18.200 with women. Have you heard that he was an inceell? 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.280 Because Jeff and I were talking about that and it 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.120 seemed like it was a bit of a perfect example. 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.240 And in cell is an Internet term that describes young 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.359 men who are frustrated by their lack of sexual experiences. 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:34.560 It stands for involuntary celibate. Inceels have often been known 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:36.400 to lash out at women when rejected. 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.760 Okay, it's me the girl that went on a tender 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.359 date with Brian We matched on Tinder. 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.680 Chris Bargo interviewed a woman named Haley Willett, who went 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:49.720 on a blind date with Coberger when they were both 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:53.440 college students. She posted on social media about her disturbing 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:57.120 interaction with Coburger and his inappropriate in cell like behavior. 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:01.119 It recognized them immediately in my heart, just because I 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.040 couldn't believe that, like I was face to face. 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:04.440 With this guy. 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.920 So about two weeks after the arrest of Brian Coburger, 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.160 a young woman named Haley shares her story on TikTok 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.280 that she went on a date with Brian Coburger about 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:16.959 seven years prior. She said they matched on Tinder. They 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:19.280 talked for a few hours, they went to the movie. 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.720 It was pretty inconsequential. They drove back to her dormitory, 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:24.480 he parked, and she said that she thought they were 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.440 maybe going to talk. She then said she's gonna go 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:27.840 up to her dorm room, and that's when she said 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.760 he invited himself up with her. Now, Haley's very clear 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.240 that she didn't really feel threatened and she wasn't scared. 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:35.200 She just kind of thought he was a very clingy 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:38.080 sort of guy. So she said, because she's socially awkward, 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:39.439 she didn't really know how to say no, and she 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:41.640 let him come up, and that's when she said things 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.639 really started to change. She suddenly became very pushy and 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:46.960 he's kept trying to touch her, and when he would 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:48.600 touch her, she would say what are you doing and 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.680 he would say, I'm not touching you and then get 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:52.640 very serious about it, and she just said it got 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:54.280 to the point where she didn't know what else to do, 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:56.920 so she excused herself to go to the bathroom and 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:58.920 then made it sound like she was loudly throwing up. 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.240 But instead of leaving, he just stood outside the door. 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:03.359 So she just stayed in there and waited until he 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.840 finally left. Then when he did finally leave, he texted 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.320 her that she had great birthing hymns. Haley did not 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.399 ever speak to him again, and she really posted this 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:13.439 as just sort of a message to women saying, like, 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:15.920 you know, trust your gut. If you think something's off, 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:17.680 do the right thing and just get rid of the guy. 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:19.520 And again she said she wasn't afraid of him. She 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:22.240