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Speaker 3: Very Welcome, everybody. Welcome to the Fantasy Flex podcast from

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Speaker 3: the Action Network. In Fantasy Labs, I'm your host, Chris

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Speaker 3: Raybaon in the NFL season is over, the Philadelphia Eagles

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Speaker 3: take some lessons away to start planning for next season.

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Speaker 3: And those best ball drafts are up and running as

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Speaker 3: the most accurate ranker in the game, the odds maker

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Speaker 3: Sean Kerner, gonna look back and at our hits and misses. Sean,

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Speaker 3: what's up? How's it going? Happy all season? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I just enjoying the offseason.

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Speaker 2: It does seem like yesterday we were sitting here talking

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Speaker 2: about the upcoming twenty twenty four season with our Sleepers

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Speaker 2: Bust League winners. So this is all fresh in my memory.

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Speaker 2: Both you and I are hits and misses. Yeah, looking

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Speaker 2: forward to kind of like recapping how it went.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we'll go position by a position.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about guys we got right and take away

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Speaker 3: as well. All right, let's start with quarterback because this

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Speaker 3: is one of my favorites. You were on this guy

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Speaker 4: So talk to me about the guy you hit the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say Sam Darnold and to be fair,

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Speaker 2: I wasn't on m all off season because I did think,

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Speaker 2: you know, after the first three to five games they

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Speaker 2: unfortunately over, it was a season ending injury. That's when

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Speaker 2: I moved Sam Donald way up my rankings because then

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Speaker 2: a few seasons. But Sam Donald's was going to be

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Speaker 1: So I think he finishes like the QB twelve or something.

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Speaker 2: Either way, I know he was on a lot of

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Speaker 3: And I would add in, you know, when you talk

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Speaker 3: And this just goes to show that these rushing quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, really really like Daniels. Like him again this year,

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Speaker 3: him this year. I don't think it's a bad thing,

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Speaker 1: That level of hit.

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Speaker 2: I was more Caleb Williams. But yeah, you hit that.

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Speaker 4: Ye true, All right, what about quarterback? You whift going?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I would say Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but let's see any lessons learned here. I know

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Speaker 4: I just think you can't overpay for those guys.

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Speaker 3: just don't know what you're gonna get out of either

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00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 3: of the guys each week.

436
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 2: But outside of like Jamior gibbson Dave Montgomery, they got

437
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 2: to be one of the best duos in the league, right,

438
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: So it's a good problem to have. Unfortunately, Seattle doesn't

439
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 2: run enough where you know, both could be valuable that

440
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 2: like you said that, that would be a nightmare if

441
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 2: it became a fifty to fifty committee. But if one

442
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 2: were to go down, we know the other would be,

443
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: you know, a top ten option.

444
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and kind of going off those kind of those

445
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 3: kind of guys who were kind of waiting in the wings.

446
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I was really high on Chuba Hubbard. I

447
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 3: know you were too, and I was. I was also.

448
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: So one of the things I should talk about is

449
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,719
Speaker 3: I find it more helpful to kind of create a

450
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 3: fade with than a target list, especially when I'm just

451
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 3: trying to pick my basketball teams and I'm trying to

452
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 3: you know, build different rosters and not be you know,

453
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 3: overly concentrated in any you know, one type of player,

454
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 3: Like you do want to kind of target your guys,

455
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: but I find that if I'm just taking guys at value,

456
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 3: and avoiding certain guys it helps me a lot more so.

457
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 4: Jonathan Brooks was a guy I was screaming.

458
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 3: I just did not know why he was that high

459
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 3: screaming to just avoid him at his cost. It just

460
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: it just didn't add. The math, didn't math when you

461
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,959
Speaker 3: tried to look at how he was gonna, you know,

462
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 3: hit his RB thirty five ADP and of course he

463
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 3: finishes as the one fifteen because he comes back and

464
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 3: gets hurt, which was something that was in the range

465
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 3: of outcomes that talked about. Same thing for Nick Chubb,

466
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 3: you know RB thirty one eight e RB fifty nine finish.

467
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 3: But Truba Hubbard was a guy that I was high

468
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: on because of you know, the Brooks fade, and you

469
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 3: know he ended up finishing as a top fifteen running

470
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 3: back and you know he did get shut down that

471
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 3: last was it week two weeks so could have even

472
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: could have even had more, but looked really good doing

473
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 3: it as well.

474
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 4: So, yeah, that that was a good one for me.

475
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 3: And of course did Javonte Williams fade, but that was

476
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 3: kind of uh yeah, that's that was a little more obvious.

477
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was a gift that kept on giving

478
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: you know props too.

479
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's crazy because I mean his

480
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 3: actual finish, like you said, sometimes he finishes aren't indicative

481
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 3: because it's just like how many games did a guy play,

482
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 3: but because he stayed healthy, he actually finished RB thirty

483
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 3: one or something like that. So it doesn't look as

484
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 3: terrible as it is when you start looking at the

485
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 3: eight carries for negative two yards and whatnot.

486
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: Eat.

487
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you were starting Gavonte Williams uh at, you

488
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 3: know more than maybe like one or two times this year,

489
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you got you got punished. So that

490
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: was the fate of Brooks, the fad of job. Don't

491
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 3: really hate those guys that are going to come back

492
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: mid season. I think that people always overvalue them. That's

493
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 3: always a lesson. I think for me, it is just

494
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, avoid those type of guys. But

495
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: who who did you miss on it a run?

496
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 2: Well, we got to pour one out for Blake Quorum

497
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: because he's one. Where again, it's it's tough to judge

498
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: these backup running backs because you can't expect them the

499
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: planning games, like you need the starter to go down

500
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: miss time. So it's really hard to judge him because

501
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 2: Kyen Williams was healthy all season despite the massive workloads,

502
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 2: so it's hard to be too critical of it. But

503
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 2: and I still think that Korum would have offered tough

504
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: five upset if he did get a true spot start,

505
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: not in Week eighteen with Jimmy g and then I think.

506
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: Quorum like broke his arm or something.

507
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did a disastrous season for Quorum, but I

508
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: will take the of just there was zero threat to

509
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 2: Kayn's workload at any point the season, which I admitted.

510
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: When it comes to Sean McVay, we have no clue

511
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: what he's going to do. I think he does like

512
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: having a true work course back, but at any given

513
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: time we've seen him pivot to anybody else in Quorham

514
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 2: is certainly talented enough to take over as lead back,

515
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: but this just it never came to fruition at no

516
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: point during the season that I really think that was

517
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: going to happen. There was some times I got excited

518
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 2: where Korum stayed in an extra player too and looked great,

519
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 2: But this is Kien Williams backfield.

520
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: You know all season he would have.

521
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 2: To like really have those funneling issues pop up even

522
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: more or get hurt for Korm to you know, lead Frogham.

523
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 2: So that's kind of where I messed up, thinking that

524
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 2: there was some hope there or maybe make it more

525
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: of a fifty to fifty backfield, but again, it's really

526
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: hard to judge because he never got a spot start.

527
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: So I'm taking the loss of Korum because he was

528
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 2: one of my most targeted running and I just had to.

529
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: I had to keep him on the bench all season,

530
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: you know, which has taken up precious space. So it

531
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 2: was sort of a sunk costs theory kind of thing

532
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: for me, and I would probably do it again if

533
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 2: I'm being honest. I really think he still has top

534
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 2: five upside if Karen Urdham has time, but it's always

535
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: a tumultuous, frustrating time investing in Ram's running back.

536
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: So that that was kind of my bad.

537
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm going to join you here because

538
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna take, you know not. I think I

539
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: exacerbated the quorum, you know, drafted Korum above Adp with

540
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: fading Kyraen Williams more than I should have as well.

541
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, that I missed on that entire backfield, and

542
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: I think the mistake there was you know, certain things

543
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 3: kind of did make sense. You know, Sean McBay, we've

544
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 3: seen him kind of switch it up in a hurry

545
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: and go away from guys. I remember with Gurley who

546
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 3: went to C. J. Anderson and then obviously Ham Akers.

547
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 3: But the thing about Kyen Williams was, you know, he

548
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: was heading into his age twenty four season, he was

549
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: coming off a year where he led the league in

550
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: rushing yards per game, and unlike Cam Akers, he hadn't

551
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 3: had a serious injury, so it was too much speculation.

552
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,239
Speaker 3: And I think knowing McVeigh and I have talked about this,

553
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: he likes to just leave the starters and he doesn't

554
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 3: really like to play a lot of guys off the bench.

555
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: And I think when McVeigh, you know, drafted a guy

556
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 3: like Korum, he Bowie would give Korum the Kyra Williams workload,

557
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 3: but Kyle Williams would have to go down for that

558
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: to happen. It's like he just likes to have a

559
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: workhorse running back. There's not too many coaches like that.

560
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: I think Mike tom went back in the day, you know,

561
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 3: with D'Angelo Williams after Le'Veon was kind of like that.

562
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: Not many coaches are really like that these days, and

563
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 3: so I think that was just it was too speculative. Oh,

564
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: just kind of looking at all the negatives with Williams, like, oh, well,

565
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 3: he's small, and he's never really carried that much, and

566
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: he only played twelve games last year. But he wasn't

567
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 3: hurt or he wasn't you know, bad we hurt. You know,

568
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: maybe something nagging, but uh, and he was young and

569
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: he was coming off leed in the league in Russian.

570
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 3: So that was uh yeah, two speculative and kind of

571
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 3: what kind of overthinking it, I think a little bit,

572
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 3: uh when it came to Kyroen and one other one,

573
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: uh is you know, I I ended up investing a

574
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: little more into Zeke than Dowdell as well, and I

575
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 3: think that was a miss. I mean, I you know,

576
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: I thought, which it actually happened, Zeke would get the

577
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 3: goal line carries, but he was just so horrible that

578
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: he couldn't convert the coal line carries. He was horrible

579
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: enough that he couldn't get carries outside of that. And uh,

580
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: I didn't see Dowdell necessarily, you know, doing what he

581
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: did over those final five six weeks because at the

582
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: time they had just signed Davi with Cook, you had

583
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 3: who was I think Jerry Jones was talking up like

584
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: Royce Freeman or some journeyman like that too. So yeah,

585
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: it was like everyone but Dowdell. So again a little

586
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: bit overthinking it, trying to read between the tea leaves.

587
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: You know, it didn't really cost me there because I

588
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: think he was going like outside the top forties. I

589
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: still got some shares and I still ranked him high,

590
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: you know when he did start popping up, but still

591
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 3: more too, a little too much Zeke for my like.

592
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 3: And so the rams in the Cowboys backfields, uh, we're.

593
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: Both lives for me.

594
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: And the one thing I'll to tybow and running back

595
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: I think too is you know, used to be age

596
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: was kind of something that you know, sharp drafters would

597
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: look at a guy, even if he was a you know,

598
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: a weak guy in the past or and kind of

599
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: get ahead of the age drop off. But I don't

600
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 3: think you can really do that these days. I think

601
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: there there's just there's less running, first of all, in

602
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: the league. There's less between the tackles grinding than there

603
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: was you know, ten twenty years ago. And you know

604
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: a lot of these aging curves were starting were you know,

605
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: being built. And last year we saw you know, Saquon Barkle.

606
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: We had age twenty seven, RB two, Derrick Henry. I

607
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: mean we always talk about.

608
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 4: He just he's just a machine.

609
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: So top three at age thirty, Alvin Kamara even age

610
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: twenty nine, kind of slept on. He was the he

611
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: was a top ten running back. Joe Mixon, you know,

612
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 3: everyone wrote him off. It's kind of maybe like another

613
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook. But you know, age twenty eight he put

614
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: up a RB thirteen and even Aaron Jones at age

615
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: thirty RB sixteen. So you had what is that five

616
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 3: guys in the top sixteen twenty seven or older. So

617
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: I think it's we're kind of past that point where

618
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: we could just kind of look at ages say okay,

619
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna fade this guy. Not that I was fading

620
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: these guys crazily, but you know, it was something I

621
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: would just think about, and I think a lot of

622
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: just drafters in general, you know, And that's something I'll

623
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: talk about a little more, you know, when we talk

624
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: about receivers, but I think people just kind of tended

625
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 3: to go with wide receivers when they were a little

626
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 3: bit unsure about how they felt about you know, some

627
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: of these guys in their ages, and that really didn't

628
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: work as well at all this year, which we have

629
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: to get a little bit into more. But anything, any

630
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: takeaways here for you and on you know, maybe pass

631
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: catching back talkies or anything like that.

632
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you made some great points about sort of

633
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: the the vets the older guys. But I have a

634
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: takeaway just when it comes to evaluating rookies, especially lately,

635
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: as James Cook was a good example of he was

636
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: going to be like a really good pass catching back,

637
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: but nobody knew, nobody thought that he could be like

638
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: a true workhorse back.

639
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: Same thing with Kyle Williams.

640
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: I was really high on Karen Williams, but I thought

641
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: he'd be just more of a pass catching specialist. And

642
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: look what it got me this year fading him completely.

643
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: That was a disaster. Same thing with Bucky Irving. Like

644
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: I would always admit, like Bucky Irving could overtake Rashad White,

645
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: but he's more of a pass catching back. I don't

646
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: know if he could be like a legit work course back.

647
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: All three of those backs have been able to be

648
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: a work course back. I think it's just kind of

649
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: the league's changing where you know, if they're good pass

650
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: catching back and they can handle you know, fifteen carries

651
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: a game and kyras case, you know, twenty plus, that's

652
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: going to be you know, a solid RB one type back.

653
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: And they've been a lot more durable. You don't need

654
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: to be like a nause hairrisized back like those days

655
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 2: are kind of like, you know, not over. But like

656
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: these more gadget type backs, if they're good enough, you know,

657
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: they can be a true workhorse back. So I don't

658
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: know any examples in the upcoming class, but I've been

659
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, being cautious about their ceiling

660
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: and upside. But just the way the game is changing,

661
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: these smaller backs, you know five nine or five eight,

662
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: you know, they can handle these full, more full workloads

663
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: and be a true work course back. So that's something

664
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: that even if I like the back, I've been kind

665
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: of like, you know, limiting their upside a bit. But

666
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to be a little bit more aggressive, you know,

667
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: attacking these types of backs going forward for sure.

668
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's actually a great point. And I

669
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: would say I've noticed that as well, and I think

670
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 3: what it really comes down to is being a good

671
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: pass catching back is correlated with just being a skilled

672
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 3: runner because the game, like the game is a lot

673
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 3: more spread out now, and if you can do all

674
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 3: the things a running back does, but also run routes

675
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 3: out of the backfield, you know, crisply and and all

676
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: and all the things you need to be a good

677
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: pass catching back. And that also means you know, you're

678
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: probably you probably know your protection. So if you're a

679
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: good pass catching back, that essentially means you're a three

680
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: down back in this NFL, regardless of what your size is.

681
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: And I think the other important part about that is,

682
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: look at you know the opposite of that. I think

683
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 3: the best example in the playoffs probably well probably too

684
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 3: Isaiah Pacheco, Brian robertson JUNR. They kind of tip you

685
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 3: off that it's gonna be a run. Even Derrick Henry does,

686
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 3: you know, to an extent, he's just so good that

687
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. But I think that these coaches just

688
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: don't like these backs, you know that, like they're just

689
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: not good pass catchers because then it's it's like the

690
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: defense kind of knows up coming, and what ends up

691
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: happening is then the coaches try to call these like

692
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: you know, could like, uh catch the defense off guard

693
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: by throwing to these guys that it doesn't really work

694
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 3: out like we still at times. You know, they tried

695
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 3: to throw a Robinson. I think he had a couple,

696
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 3: he had some some good games catching the ball. But Pacheco,

697
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: I mean he's just too out, He's too out of

698
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: control to be really a good good receiver.

699
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: But you know they were, they were throwing.

700
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: To him a little bit in the playoffs and down

701
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 3: the stretch too, and uh didn't didn't really go great.

702
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: So I think, yeah, I just think the skill set

703
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: is correlated like good pass catching back in college. You

704
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 3: know that that's just a good skill set to have.

705
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: Like why that means you're ahead of the curve on

706
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: on the things you need to do to be an

707
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 3: NFL running back. So yeah, great point. Okay, let's jump

708
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 3: into wide receiver. Who were your hits at wide out?

709
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: Yeah?

710
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: So, I mean the two rookies that I said nearly

711
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: every pod, like, I'm targeting these guys heavily as Brian

712
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: Thomas junior, Lad McConkey, but Brian Thomas Junior especially, you know,

713
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: I thought he had a ton of upside and my

714
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: comp for him was Randy Moss of all people, I

715
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 2: bet it's over. I think it's four and a half

716
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,479
Speaker 2: receiving touchdowns. He passed that up in like week five,

717
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: Week one. It convinced me. I took his longest reception

718
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: over eighteen and a half yards, didn't hit, but you know,

719
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: he settled in in the mid twenties in that market

720
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: very shortly after that, So just bad timing on my part,

721
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 2: but he showed he's the real deal. I will say,

722
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: you know, he certainly benefited from you know, Christian Kirk,

723
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 2: Gabe Davis, and even you know Evan Ingram missing some time,

724
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: so that's certainly boosted his target chair. I think we

725
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 2: need to, you know, consider that when looking at his numbers.

726
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: But my god, he's already established himself as you know,

727
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: a top young receiver. No matter who was wrong him

728
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: about Trevor Lawrence or mac Jones, it didn't matter. He

729
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: was putting up numbers weekend week out.

730
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: So he was definitely a hit. I had him on

731
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: a ton of team teams and drafts.

732
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: I didn't take him. I ended up with Lab mcconky,

733
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: who was He's a different type of player, but he

734
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: was very good already kind of a wide receiver one option,

735
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: but there was just so many available targets for the Chargers,

736
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: and you and I were saying, like they're going to

737
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: be a much more run heavy team. But I still

738
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 2: thought he had a ton of upside because you can

739
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: line up you know, outside or in the slot. But yeah,

740
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: he had an unbelievable rookie season. Looked as good as

741
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: his numbers would indicate. So both those guys were hits.

742
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 2: And then another guy sort of in that range. Again,

743
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: this is just the best time to kind of draft

744
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: these receivers, you know, in that wide receiver forty range.

745
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: You should probably have your top three receivers by then

746
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: and then just swing for the fences. And I don't

747
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: think these guys were like, you know, gambles or anything.

748
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 2: But Jackson Smith Najigba was a guy that I mentioned

749
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: could have a year two leap. I comped him as

750
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: like Aman Ross Saint Brown, if he's the top target

751
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: in that offense, he has that skill set. And unfortunately

752
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: it was kind of like Ceedee Lamb several years ago,

753
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: where he was the top receiver drafted, but he just

754
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: ended up in a landing spot where they already had

755
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 2: two established wide receivers and you know, Tyler Lockett and

756
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf, So it was going to take some time

757
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: for Jasn to to.

758
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: Truly break out.

759
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: But it happened last year, and it came at the

760
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: expense of Tyer Lockett of course, but uh, yeah, he

761
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: arrived in a big way. He finishes the wide receiver ten.

762
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: But just one of those guys where you got to

763
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: be careful evaluating the rookie season too much if they had.

764
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: A ton of target competition.

765
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: But JSN was, you know, the top receiver drafted for

766
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: a reason, and love is upside going forward. You're probably

767
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: got to spend pretty good draft capital to get him

768
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: going forward. But another you know guy where it's the

769
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: year two leap was coming, uh and it was it

770
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: was good to be on him and a lot of teams,

771
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 2: you know, I had him and either like a Brian

772
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: Thomas junior Alammic Honky but targeting in that like wide

773
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: receiver thirty to fifty range, it's so critical.

774
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: To have these guys with a ton of upside.

775
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was. Those are those are really

776
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 3: great calls. I remember you just talking so much about

777
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas Junior. I think you might have introduced Chad

778
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: Millman to Brian Thomas Junior.

779
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 4: I'm not even sure.

780
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: Chad knew who he was, but he knew who he

781
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: was by the time the season started or by the

782
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 3: time Week one was over. But with J said, I

783
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: think it was so interesting too because you could see

784
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: it when when the switch just flipped. And I remember

785
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: this because I think you and I were talking, and

786
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 3: it was it was around mid season they just decided

787
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,959
Speaker 3: to run their offense through him completely, and you know.

788
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 4: It was just just.

789
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: No more Tyler Rocket after that, you know, it was

790
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 3: just JSN five five six catches pretty much every.

791
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 4: Game and we go eight nine targets.

792
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yepe decade it was when that flip happened.

793
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. And we saw some kind of similar with

794
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 3: Xavier Worthy this year kind of you know, less it

795
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: wasn't quite as high upside necessarily, but yeah, it was.

796
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 3: You know, teams kind of realize what they've gotten. Teams

797
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 3: don't put, you know, spend that kind of draft capital

798
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: for no reason, especially a team like the Seahawks. It's

799
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: very you know, mediocre. You know, they they already had

800
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: Metcalf and Lockett, they went out and got js N.

801
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 3: You know that that that that's telling you something. So yeah,

802
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: talent Town's always gonna win out. I think that same

803
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 3: thing with Thomas. I think he would have blown up

804
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 3: no matter who was healthy, who was not and la

805
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, there was there was nobody there. I

806
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 3: mean they were like in the playoffs, they're like, uh,

807
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 3: you know, they just stopped labbing MacConkey. That was my

808
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: whole handicap for picking the text. And they just stopped

809
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: labbing McConkey. That's it. And it turns out they didn't

810
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 3: stop laing McConkie, but still wasn't enough. That's because that's

811
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 3: how bear the cupboard is. Although t to.

812
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: Three week two to three week stretch where Will Disley

813
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: was racking up catches, uh J and had his yes,

814
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: Quinton Johnson had his his moments, but yeah, this this

815
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 2: is certainly Lad McConkie's offense.

816
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 3: Uh.

817
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 4: For me, it was uh.

818
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 3: I remember just talking about Courtland Sutton and being so

819
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 3: mad that I was drafting him as much as I

820
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: was because it was just the most unsexy pick, Like

821
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: everyone's talking about Xavier Worthy and Ryan Thomas, like you know,

822
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 3: Courtln Sutton probably shouldn't be taken outside the top forty,

823
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: but I guess people were just low on bow Knicks

824
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: and the Broncos and in general as well, so that

825
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 3: kind of paid off.

826
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: Uh.

827
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 3: He finished as the wide receiver fourteen. I was taking

828
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 3: him more as a wide receiver three even at times

829
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: if I and that's what enabled me to kind of

830
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 3: take advantage of some of those running backs in spots,

831
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 3: because if not, I would probably been fading out my

832
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 3: running backs. But it wasn't for guys like Sutton, maconkil

833
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 3: guys like you mentioned in that in that tier sometimes

834
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 3: you know mentioned you could take him as wide receiver fours,

835
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 3: but if you want to gamble, you can take him.

836
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: Try to take him as like your wide receiver three.

837
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: Really stack up and I think those those are some

838
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: of my best teams. And then, uh, not a major one,

839
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 3: but Curtis Samuel, I I just told everybody to fate him.

840
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 3: I don't know why he was even in the discussion

841
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: like as like you know, a wide receiver five type guy,

842
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 3: but he, you know, predictably finished wide receiver one oh five.

843
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 3: Kalosha kiir uh Kean Coleman were the guys to have,

844
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: and of course they traded for Cooper. But I think,

845
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: you know, Sean, I want to hear your thoughts on

846
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: this real quick, because I think the biggest lesson with

847
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 3: wide receiver was that, you know, it's no two years

848
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: are alike, and you have to kind of treat it

849
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 3: like the market and buy the dips. And I think

850
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 3: the wide receiver bubble burst a little last year where

851
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 3: very high quality running backs. Maybe it was because of

852
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: the age change teams, maybe you know, a combination of

853
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: just all the wide receivers blowing up, you know, the

854
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 3: past few years. But you know, I I looked in

855
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: the top fifty EIGHTYP and there was about eight nine

856
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 3: to ten more wide receivers going than running backs in there.

857
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: And you know, the number one way to kind of

858
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 3: hurt your team, I think last year was going a

859
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 3: little bit too wide receiver heavy early.

860
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 4: Did you kind of notice.

861
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: That any thoughts on just kind of how that kind

862
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 3: of evened out a little bit and swung back more

863
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 3: to the running backs.

864
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's that's a great point that certainly happened.

865
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: I think that.

866
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if the market got it wrong because that,

867
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: you know, the running back position is more fragile, and

868
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: I think we mentioned it like during the season. There

869
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: just wasn't that many running back injuries. Like a lot

870
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: of these backs played all seventeen games. I'm trying to think,

871
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 2: like McCaffrey obviously, like if you took him earlier, that

872
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 2: that's a disaster. He missed, you know, most of the season.

873
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker messed a handful of games. Outside of that,

874
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: we just didn't really James Connor played every game for

875
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: christ say, yeah.

876
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 4: Until the last one he yeah, three carries?

877
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: Was that Week eighteen or week seventeen? I'm trying to

878
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: like it.

879
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 4: It was the holidays, so I think it was the

880
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 4: week seventeen.

881
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 3: I think it was week seventeen.

882
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 4: I think Carter's.

883
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: Okay, I believe so the finals, yeah, idea.

884
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 2: But yeah, just like a lot of these backs, they

885
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: just played all seventeen games, so there just wasn't as

886
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: much you know turnover where we can use these backups

887
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: like a Blake quorum. So I think that that was

888
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: part of it. Just the running back position in general

889
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: overall was very healthy last year, so it kind of

890
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: you know, benefited if you took running backs early, Plus

891
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 2: just all these receivers were talking about and the wide

892
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 2: receiver forty.

893
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: Range went off.

894
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: Coincide with that, So just yeah, it was certainly a

895
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 2: year to take running backs early. I'm not sure, like,

896
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: would you have that dictate your strategy this year or

897
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: do you think the marketople will kind of pivot and

898
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 2: we'll get wide receivers as value this year?

899
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: Like how do you think it's gonna look this year?

900
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 3: I think it, so I'm not sure exactly where the

901
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 3: market would wand yet I think we have to get

902
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: you know, some free agency and into the draft for

903
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 3: the ADP to kind of stabilize a little more. But

904
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: my general takeaway was that I think there was kind

905
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: of a notion that maybe it was correlated to just

906
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 3: the explosure in passing period in the NFL, and like

907
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 3: now fantasy is just more of a wide receiver's game,

908
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: where I just think it's still always gonna come down

909
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: to the market. And like you mentioned, you know a

910
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 3: lot of these running backs just didn't get hurt. And

911
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 3: I think that's the point though, because we always talk

912
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 3: about we can't predict injuries, Like, yes, running backs are

913
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 3: expected to miss on average one about a game game

914
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 3: and a half more than you know, the other positions,

915
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 3: but the price was right, you know, to take some

916
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: of those guys. I mean even you know, in every

917
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: part in the draft, like not just early early, like

918
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: you know you had Saquon Bark we kind of going

919
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: at the end of round one, but you know, throughout

920
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: the draft, I mean Kyen Williams even dropped because people

921
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: were scared of the same things I was.

922
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 4: Derrick Henry was going, you know late than he ever has.

923
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs, no one really wanted, and everyone was hyping

924
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 3: Marshawn Lloyd. You know, just so many guys mixing. No

925
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 3: one really wanted to touch Camara like there was just

926
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: throughout the draft. I think, uh, you know, in those

927
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: top twenty four backs, like usually you're trying to fade

928
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: them go with a more of a zero RB or

929
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 3: even a hero RB. But I think that with the

930
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 3: wide receivers, essentially people were drafting like a whole extra

931
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 3: wide receiver instead of a running back, and that that

932
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: just kind of evened it out. So we'll have to

933
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: see how it kind of shapes out up this year.

934
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: But that's kind of point. You just watch the market

935
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 3: because you're not gonna be able to predict injuries, and

936
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 3: you know, they should even out somewhat like you shouldn't

937
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: see a huge discrepancy necessarily just because of what happening.

938
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: Years passed, and I think the market was starting to

939
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: trend that way with you know, the success of you know,

940
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 3: some of the like the zero rbs and things like that.

941
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,640
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go with Romo Dunes here.

955
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: You know, I was high on Brian Thomas, Junior, Lat

956
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: McConkey JSN.

957
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: They were going in this range, so there was there

958
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: were some drafts.

959
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: I was absolutely taking a flyer in Roma Dunzay, who

960
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: I thought was one of the best receivers from this class.

961
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: So any draft I'm taking him, I'm less likely to

962
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 2: be getting these other three receivers that went off. And

963
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: you know, he just didn't have a great season. He

964
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: finished wide receiver forty nine, so not a complete disaster,

965
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure he was healthy for every single game,

966
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 2: so his average was much worse than that. Just never

967
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: really got on the same page with Caleb Williams, especially downfield.

968
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: I think in the end zone there must have been

969
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 2: three or four like dropped missed touchdowns.

970
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: It was just a nightmare.

971
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: And so moving on from that, like, I think he

972
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: could be a good by low next year. You know,

973
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 2: they brought in Ben Johnson as a head coach. Caleb,

974
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: I mean, should get better in year two. They might

975
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 2: move on from someone like Keenan Allen, so that could

976
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: free up targets for Donsday. I know you and I

977
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: were kind of saying it's gonna be tough for dounsay

978
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: to thrive with you know, Dj Moore, Keenan Allen, there

979
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: even cole Comet as a tight end. So I think

980
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: next year will be better, but I certainly paid for

981
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: it dearly being a little bit above weight on Romo Doomsday. Again,

982
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: I still think he's a good talent, but his rookie

983
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 2: season was definitely a disappointment. Couldn't have a similar career

984
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: arc to JSN if I'm being honest, where you know,

985
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: the talent still there, the situation should get better, but

986
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 2: I already lost some money on him a near one,

987
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: So he's definitely one of the messes. I think in

988
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 2: terms of just being a rookie I was really high

989
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: on and it just didn't pan out this year for

990
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 2: him or Caleb Williams.

991
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was a mess for pretty much

992
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 3: everyone in that offense at one time or another. Like

993
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams could not complete downfield passes early in the season,

994
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift couldn't get goal one carries or you know,

995
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 3: any type of efficiency. Then it was like DJ Moore

996
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: and then not being on the same page, Keithan Allen

997
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 3: had the lull where he was doing nothing. Cole Comet

998
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 3: disappeared for pretty much the entire year. You know, like

999
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: everybody had their issues on a off and so you know,

1000
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson, I think, you know, hopefully should turn it around,

1001
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 3: so you know, but but it definitely is again you know,

1002
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 3: just I think with the with the quarterbacks too, you know,

1003
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: you just you gotta look at the whole situation and

1004
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 3: kind of pricing the downside gris too. I think we

1005
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 3: get excited about, you know, the shiny new toy and

1006
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 3: the upside and uh yeah and speaking of which tanked

1007
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 3: out for me complete with uh and I think, you know,

1008
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 3: looking back, what I.

1009
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 4: Think I overlooked.

1010
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: You know, he he was amazing his rookie year, both

1011
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 3: on film and you know, in terms of the statue

1012
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 3: and for fantasy.

1013
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 4: But you know, I think what I overlooked was.

1014
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 3: Okay, overachiever who gets hurt and then gets shot or

1015
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: you know, like so there's like or what if he

1016
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 3: just misgtting like something something happened in the yard. He

1017
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 3: had like numerous injuries throughout the offseason. He had the

1018
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 3: season ender, then he had the like another incident. Only

1019
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 3: he's only one hundred and sixty five pounds. He was

1020
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 3: already a guy that wasn't expected, you know, to to

1021
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 3: be that great as it is.

1022
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 4: You know, it was a mid round pick.

1023
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 3: So I think when you just kind of have that

1024
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 3: kind of stress on the body, especially like one hundred

1025
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: and sixty five pounds five eight body like that, you

1026
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 3: know that is going to take its toll. So I

1027
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: think that that that's that's the kind of lesson there,

1028
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 3: because he had his opportunities.

1029
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 4: You know, Diggs goes down.

1030
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 3: In mid season, Nico Collins misses the stretch of games,

1031
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 3: and you know, Tank Dell, I know he went down.

1032
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 3: It was a yet another injury, but even before that,

1033
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 3: it was really uh it was up and down and

1034
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 3: more down than up. You know, never really got it

1035
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,479
Speaker 3: going to the level that he did last year, Only

1036
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 3: two games with more than seventy two yards from scrimmage,

1037
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: only scored three yeah, only three touchdowns on the year

1038
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 3: and in fourteen games.

1039
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 4: So just not not enough from Tank down.

1040
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: Just didn't didn't look like he was taking advantage of

1041
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: those absences. It looked like he was. He just wasn't

1042
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 3: as explosive or or twitchy or you know, And I

1043
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 3: think I think with the injuries and just that body type, uh,

1044
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 3: you know, maybe maybe he comes back great in like

1045
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 3: a couple of years whenever. I don't even know when

1046
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 3: he's gonna miss next year, right, he's yeah.

1047
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: It's all looking good because he tore uh like his LCL,

1048
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 2: m c L and l SAL. Yeah, I think it's

1049
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 2: PCL had some damage too, but they had to they

1050
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: had to, they had to do surgery on the other two.

1051
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: I think his m c L and l SL first

1052
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: have those heel and then he still hasn't had his

1053
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: surgery on his a c L yet, which that's it's

1054
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: just gonna be really tough for him, just given how

1055
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: long they've had to wait or delay the other l

1056
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: CL or the CL surgery. It's just it's looking really

1057
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: iffy for him to even play next year. So yeah,

1058
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: it might be another couple of years where he returns,

1059
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: and who knows if he'll ever be the same. But yeah,

1060
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: I was, you know, very sad to see and just

1061
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: the way it happened was just awful. But yeah, hopefull

1062
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: gets better and he still has the upside and stuff,

1063
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 2: so maybe, you know a couple of years he's making

1064
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 2: some noise. But yeah, it was a devastating injury for sure.

1065
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 3: And it's just a lot of like missed out development

1066
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 3: because you know, again the frame is very slight, and

1067
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 3: these are the times that he's supposed to be adding

1068
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 3: that muscle, you know, you know, working on your you know,

1069
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 3: your in your game speed and your you know those

1070
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 3: movements in game and building up strength you know, you know, uh,

1071
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 3: play strength, and he's just it's just not going to

1072
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: really be possible with all these all this rehab he's

1073
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 3: going through. So yeah, I don't I wouldn't hold out

1074
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 3: too much hope, but yeah, I definitely underestimated just the

1075
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 3: initial uh injuries from from last year with him. Uh

1076
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 3: okay tight ends closed it out with tight end? Who

1077
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 3: did you hit on at the tight end position?

1078
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1079
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 2: So there's two guys I mentioned on the League Winners Pod,

1080
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: and I think it's important to mention that is because

1081
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: like I was kind of in line with their ADP,

1082
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: but I was kind kind of kind of walking through

1083
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 2: how to like think outside of the box where they're

1084
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: they're pathed upside was higher than other tight ends, And

1085
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: the first was obviously brock Bauers. I said, you know,

1086
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 2: he's one of the best tight ends we've ever seen

1087
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: into the league, So you know, the possibility was there

1088
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 2: for like a Sam laporta type of rookie season. You know,

1089
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: I mentioned I was, I was in line with his ADP.

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00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: I think it was like tight end eleven. That sounded

1091
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: about right. There wasn't any tight end I would necessarily

1092
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: rank him above at that point, but I said, there's

1093
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 2: a path for you know, ad O'Connell to take over.

1094
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 2: Let the legend raiders legend Aidan O'Connell to take over.

1095
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 2: I'm kind of joking about that, but not really. Plus,

1096
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 2: you know, Devonte Adams probably get traded in season, so

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00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: that would really bump up brock Bauers target share. It

1098
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: was really unclear like what the plan was with Bowers

1099
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 2: and Michael Mayer and Michael Maher ended up missing a

1100
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: handful of games due to personal reas but just everything

1101
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 2: hit for Bowers and he was as good as advertised.

1102
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: So he just you know, took the league by storm

1103
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 2: as a rookie, and it is a tight end one. Again,

1104
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 2: wish I ranked him higher, but I mentioned that the

1105
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: ceiling was there at least for someone like Bruck Powers,

1106
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: and that's that's a lesson I could talk about later

1107
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 2: on just rookie tight ends in general, these past few years.

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00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 2: But the other guy I mentioned was Kate Atton. I

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00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: had mentioned, you know Aughton, uh, you know, every game

1110
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 2: that he had started, Mike Evans and Chris Godwin had

1111
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: been healthy, and I think that's important to kind of

1112
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 2: remember that a lot of these tight ends, you know,

1113
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: they'll have a game or two where you know, the

1114
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: top one or two wide receivers missed time and they'd

1115
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: move up the target pecking order, and Aughton had yet

1116
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: to see that. So you know, we've kind of seen

1117
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 2: him at his floor the whole time. And sure enough,

1118
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 2: I think it was Evans and Chris Godwin both went

1119
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: down like right around the same time. So there was

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00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: a three to four game stretch where I was projecting

1121
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: Aughton as like a top five tight end and he

1122
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: was coming through and then he faded off at the end.

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00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: But I think it just goes to show that just

1124
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: you have to.

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00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: Kind of take everybody's data and context and aught and

1126
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 2: we have yet to see him really hit his upside

1127
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: where one of those receivers missed time and you know,

1128
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: both went down at the same time, so we kind

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00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: of saw that effect I was talking about.

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00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:27,439
Speaker 1: So I don't know if.

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00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 2: He really won your league, but there was certainly a

1132
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 2: stretch there where he was helping you win some games.

1133
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 2: So those are two guys that I mentioned kind of

1134
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: those exact scenarios from our league winner pod, and they

1135
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: both came true.

1136
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah that in a big way. I mean Bowers.

1137
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 3: I mean it just goes back to the talent with Bowers.

1138
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 3: I mean that when you have talent like that, you know,

1139
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 3: they literally were about to draft a quarterback probably and say,

1140
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 3: you know what, this guy's too talented. No quarterbacks, you

1141
00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 3: got to take him. That that's saying something. But for me,

1142
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 3: it was another unsexy guy that I probably was talking

1143
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 3: about too much, but he actually ended up paying off

1144
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 3: even better than I would have imagined.

1145
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 4: Zach Ertz, he was going outside the top.

1146
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 3: He was free basically in a lot of drafts, even

1147
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 3: in some Bestball drafts at least you know, early on

1148
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 3: until maybe the end, he was up to like, you know,

1149
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 3: tight end twenty two. But he finishes a tight end eight.

1150
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 3: And I remember you pointing out that he even had

1151
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 3: some incentives down the stretch for touchdowns and he ended

1152
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 3: up you know, getting some scores for people. Wait in

1153
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: the year, so hit on that of course, you know,

1154
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 3: every year, I'm gonna tell people to fade the guys

1155
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: that are gonna come back mid season. DJ Hockinson finishes

1156
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 3: a tight End thirty three. He was going as the fourteen.

1157
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 3: I mean, didn't do enough, I think to justify it.

1158
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 3: I know, you know, you can kind of look at

1159
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 3: his average and it wasn't quite as bad as tight

1160
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 3: End thirty three, but it wasn't you know, he never

1161
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 3: really blew up, you know, did Hockinson? So I think

1162
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 3: that was a wasted pick or at least a wasted stash.

1163
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 3: And the other guy I was I remember i'mber saying

1164
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 3: Taysom Hill has to be on rosters and he only

1165
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 3: ended up playing in eight games, but he had three

1166
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 3: top five finishes at the tight end position, and he

1167
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 3: was another guy that was free. So it tastes yeah,

1168
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 3: actually two number one finishes and then at number five

1169
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 3: finished and even some of the other weeks. He never

1170
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 3: didn't totally kill you either, So yeah, you could have

1171
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 3: you could have essentially got a lot of production by

1172
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 3: just filling your tight end spots for free, which you know,

1173
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 3: if you look at you know, guys, we got wrong.

1174
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: Everyone got wrong. I mean, it's it's gonna be guys

1175
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 3: at the top of that tight end list, So why

1176
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 3: don't we just go right into that.

1177
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 4: Who did you whiff on at tight end?

1178
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I whipped on Kyle Pitts because you know,

1179
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 2: his first three or four seasons, I was always, you know,

1180
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: a bit lower than the market, and this here, I

1181
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: was like, look, I have to say I'm higher than

1182
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: the market on Coulpits. I think this is the year.

1183
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: It's okay, go ahead, take him as a top five

1184
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: tight end. And sure enough he wasn't. And part of

1185
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: that was also my whiff on. Just Kirk Cousins, you

1186
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: had mentioned the Achilles being an issue and I kind

1187
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 2: of brush it off. I'm like, he's a pocket passer anyway,

1188
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: but I mean it clearly limited his mobility. He couldn't

1189
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: even leave the pocket. So you know, they, you know,

1190
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 2: guys like Drake London still had a good season, but

1191
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts definitely failed to live up to his talent

1192
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 2: yet again. He finishes the tight end twelve. That's a

1193
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: you know, another disappointing season for him. I mean, he's

1194
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: still young. It could still happen. Maybe Michael Pennix will

1195
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: help fuel the breakout. But you know, like I said,

1196
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 2: Drake London was amazing as expected, but Darda Mooney was

1197
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: really good this year. So he's going to be some

1198
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: stiff target competition for Kyle Pitts going forward. You know,

1199
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts is still very talented. I think it might happen.

1200
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: But it was the first year where I was ahead

1201
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 2: of the market on him.

1202
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: I made that known.

1203
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: So the fact that he, uh, you know, kind of

1204
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: failed to live up to the hype again, I'm gonna

1205
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: own that one, and I'm gonna call that a whiff.

1206
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 3: On my end, Kyle Pits seemed like he has the

1207
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 3: makings of a great one year rental for the Bengals

1208
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 3: at tight end in like twenty seven, oh Man, Hayden Hurst,

1209
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 3: Mike Geski just you know, throw him out there.

1210
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow get some like seventy catches career highs.

1211
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 3: Across the board. Oh my god, that's that's gonna be

1212
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 3: Kyle his career arct.

1213
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: Well games where Tanner Hudson out targets him despite only

1214
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: running around on fifteen percent dropbacks.

1215
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: Is that what we're going with?

1216
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 3: Oh Man? Yeah, there was like five tight ends like

1217
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's that's what's gonna be because they

1218
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 3: just we've seen now two different coaching staffs. They just

1219
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 3: take you want to take, end up taking this guy

1220
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 3: off the field more than you would think. Uh, And

1221
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 3: I had a similar kind of I mean, this guy

1222
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 3: could be headed down that same path at this rate.

1223
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 3: Dalton kin k you know I had him, is I

1224
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 3: ended up? I think racking him is number my tight

1225
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 3: end three. Because I was just looking at the position

1226
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 3: and you know, I figured, you know, you might have

1227
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 3: a little bit of slow down with Kelsey. You know,

1228
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: obviously reporter just had one year of data. We liked him,

1229
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 3: but there's just not a lot of guys that you

1230
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 3: could get you could bank on.

1231
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 4: So I was like, all right, I'm gonna make an

1232
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 4: upside bet with Kinkaid.

1233
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 3: You know, they got ready digs, the Bills love to

1234
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 3: throw the ball even you know, I know they they

1235
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 3: ran it more. But shosh Allen, no, no, nothing, nothing,

1236
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 3: nothing out of Kinkaid. At times, Dulston Knox was out

1237
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 3: snapping him. Yeah, just you know, so we'll see, we'll

1238
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 3: see if Kinkaid can kind of out career pits, because

1239
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 3: I mean, they're they're kind of they're kind of going down.

1240
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 3: At least Pitts had that thousand well was it? Yeah,

1241
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 3: a thousand yard rookie year like King Kid. Really man

1242
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 3: for a guy drafted that highly with a great quarterback.

1243
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 3: It's been very, very disappointing. But that was my thinking,

1244
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 3: just great quarterback. Uh no gigs and did not did

1245
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 3: not pay a I guess I should have just you know,

1246
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 3: paid more, like taken into more account. They were you know, oh,

1247
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 3: we want to spread the ball around and we want

1248
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 3: to run. Yea, that's what they did. But lately ever

1249
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 3: made it up, made up for it with just my

1250
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 3: Uh I was just betting James Cook touchdowns every week

1251
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 3: and that was working out. But I think you have

1252
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 3: something to kind of capital. For me, it was just.

1253
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 4: Looking at the tight end position.

1254
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 3: It's still the lowest scoring, most violence of fantasy position

1255
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 3: from one year to the next. Stud tight end they'll

1256
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 3: have runs, but it's still gonna be a big risk

1257
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 3: because look at Travis Kelcey last year in and Sam Reporter.

1258
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 3: I know Reporter ended up finishing tight end seven, but

1259
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 3: you know there was like half the year where he

1260
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 3: was a wall and Kelsey, you know, very up and

1261
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 3: down Mark Andrews even finishes a tight end five, and

1262
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 3: he was also absent for like half the year and

1263
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 3: just kind of getting lucky with some touchdowns. So we're

1264
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 3: not lucky, but you know, kind of paying off his

1265
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 3: value with some touchdown that he wouldn't have otherwise. So

1266
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 3: it was just a bad year for tight ends. And

1267
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 3: you gotta gotta kind of keep the larger kind of

1268
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 3: trends in mind when you look at these positions, Like

1269
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes you get like a one or two

1270
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 3: or three even three year run where a couple of

1271
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 3: guys just are sitting at the top, but there's still

1272
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 3: there's some inherent risk there. And I think last year

1273
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 3: we kind of saw that. What about you with tight ends?

1274
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, it's just about like rookie tight ends

1275
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: and how we project them.

1276
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: I know you and.

1277
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 2: I have mentioned, you know over the years that tight

1278
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 2: ends typically take a few years to really hit in

1279
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: the NFL, But lately we've seen these these really good

1280
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 2: pass catching tight ends finishes the tight end one. This

1281
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 2: is back to back years now, right, Sam Laport last year,

1282
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 2: brock Bwers this year.

1283
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 3: You know.

1284
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 2: One of the reasons it takes them longer to adjust

1285
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 2: is they're you know, their glorified offensive linemen, slash wide receivers.

1286
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: They got to learn blocking schemes, things like that. It

1287
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 2: only depends their landing spot is critical. You know the

1288
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 2: coaching staff how they kind of integrate them into the

1289
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: offense as a rookie. But we've seen these these more

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Speaker 2: modern NFL offenses draft these pass catching tight ends and

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Speaker 2: just correctly use them in year one, and you know,

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Speaker 2: it's an easier learning curve when they're just using them

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Speaker 2: as a pass catching tight end. So we've seen Sam Alporta,

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Speaker 2: brock Powers, Dalton Kinkade last year just hit the ground running.

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Speaker 2: So just when it comes to these rookie tight ends,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a little bit more loose with my

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Speaker 2: projections and like, okay to be above market. That's again

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Speaker 2: that I was a little bit too low on brock

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Speaker 2: Powers because again we haven't really seen this trend for

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Speaker 2: too long now. But now that it's two to three

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Speaker 2: years now where these rookie tight ends have hit the

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Speaker 2: ground running, I'm gonna be a little bit more aggressive.

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Speaker 2: Still need to watch some more tape, but guys like

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Speaker 2: Tyler Warren or Colson Lovelin, but these teams that draft

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Speaker 2: these tight ends early are making better use of them

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Speaker 2: as a rookie, and we've seen them post you know,

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Speaker 2: really good numbers as a rookie, where that's that's something

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Speaker 2: that's kind of new for us when it comes to

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Speaker 2: projecting these rookie tight ends.

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Speaker 3: And there is kind of a way you can kind

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Speaker 3: of get tipped off about it because funny enough, it's

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Speaker 3: the exact opposite end of the spectrum, but it's it's

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Speaker 3: also the way I kind of got tipped off to

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Speaker 3: a guy like Zach Ertz. It's that these guys just

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Speaker 3: don't really block, and they like they're gonna when they're

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Speaker 3: on the field. Some tight ends they'll block, you know,

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Speaker 3: fifteen twenty thirty percent of the time even more, uh,

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Speaker 3: and they'll line up in line a lot. But guys

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Speaker 3: like Bowers's he's in the slot, you know, he's in

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Speaker 3: the slaughter outlide about seventy five percent of their time,

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Speaker 3: and Laporta even above fifty percent. He's you know, last

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Speaker 3: year he was in line only about four, like under

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Speaker 3: fifty percent time. This year it crept up, which you

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Speaker 3: saw the decline in numbers. So yeah, I think that's

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Speaker 3: something to look at you know, look at their you

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Speaker 3: could usually you know, any of your you know, advanced

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Speaker 3: stat sites will have the splits where you know, you

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Speaker 3: could see them lining up in line versus in the

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Speaker 3: slot versus outlide. PFF is the site that has it.

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Speaker 3: And you know, look for the guys that aren't lining

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Speaker 3: up in line, because if you're lining up in line,

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01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 3: that means you're gonna chip, or you're gonna lock, or

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Speaker 3: you're gonna do something that's not conducive to fantasy production.

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Speaker 3: Look at Noah Gray, like, you know, Noah Gray was

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01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 3: the like he just was in line a lot more

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Speaker 3: down the stretch, especially you know when they tried to

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01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 3: unleash Chelsea and they got all the receivers and we

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01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 3: saw the you know, he just didn't catch money passes.

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Speaker 3: Uh So, Yeah, being an in line tight that it's rough.

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01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 3: Being an in line tight end. You're just not gonna

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01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 3: be as productive and you're not gonna be as consistent

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Speaker 3: as these guys that are just like you said, glorified

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Speaker 3: slap receivers. All right, that was anything else to add

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Speaker 3: here before I get out here.

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Speaker 2: Nope, just just gonna kind of wait to see how

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Speaker 2: free agency unfolds. Definitely already like looking at the draft

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Speaker 2: and evaluating the rookies. But the next few weeks is

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Speaker 2: gonna be pure chaos and I'm just gonna let it

1349
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 2: unfold and then get cranking on my initial projections for

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Speaker 2: next year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited, and some great great stuff on this

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Speaker 3: pod to learn from for for everybody. I hope everyone

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Speaker 3: took away some good stuff because Sean, you had some

1354
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 3: really great calls this year. So yeah, looking forward to

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Speaker 3: another season and that's gonna do it for us here

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