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Speaker 5: Monday too, your March thirtieth, twenty twenty six. It is
Speaker 5: episode five eighty nine of the an Florian Podcast powered
Speaker 5: by All the Smoke Fight. Kenny, are you wearing that
Speaker 5: Celtic Kelly Green? Because you watched the Boston Celtics beat
Speaker 5: the Charlotte Hornets live in person last night?
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe we did get a win. It was a
Speaker 4: good game. Uh taitum was hot. Yeah, and yeah it
Speaker 4: was my first time, like the redid the Charlotte yet, dude,
Speaker 4: it's nice. Yeah, dude, I think half or more of
Speaker 4: the audience there were Celtics fans, so that was pretty funny.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Boston sports fans travel well.
Speaker 5: But yeah, good to hear that you were going to
Speaker 5: be in the building last night, and if I had
Speaker 5: more advanced notice, I would have reached out, of course,
Speaker 5: to our good friend, the Boston Celtics head coach Joe Mizula.
Speaker 5: That's right, yeah, who incidentally texted me on Saturday asking
Speaker 5: me who I thought was going to win the fight
Speaker 5: between Isra Lota Sonia and Joe Pifer. And that's awesome,
Speaker 5: an amazing main event, an amazing card. What a weekend
Speaker 5: for the UFC in Seattle. Order restored is my thesis
Speaker 5: statement on the weekend. We will get into all of that.
Speaker 5: The man of the weekend was Joe Pifer, who was
Speaker 5: scheduled to join us here live in a few minutes.
Speaker 5: We will also talk to Platinum Mike Perry at the
Speaker 5: bottom of the hour. He's got a big mixed martial
Speaker 5: arts contest coming up against Nathan Diaz.
Speaker 7: Of course, on May sixteenth.
Speaker 5: Ray Longo will join us as he always does, and
Speaker 5: we will also look ahead at the end of the
Speaker 5: show to UFC Fight Night Moikano versus Duncan, a couple
Speaker 5: of American Top team teammates, the Men on the Marquee
Speaker 5: at the UFC Apex This weekend, and thanks to everybody
Speaker 5: for joining us live. Some people in the comments suggesting
Speaker 5: we are the lunch break crew, let us know about
Speaker 5: the time slot. Would you rather ten am Eastern the
Speaker 5: old time slot eleven am Eastern. We're right now noon
Speaker 5: on the screws, but let us know. You know, we
Speaker 5: moved it back so that Ray Longo could get his
Speaker 5: beauty sleep. But a lot to get into. Massive weekend
Speaker 5: for the UFC in the Pacific Northwest. Get to headlines, headlines.
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Speaker 7: Well, what makes mixed martial arts great.
Speaker 5: Is when you have former champions like Israelata Sonia willing
Speaker 5: to give opportunities to up and coming contenders like Joe Pifer.
Speaker 5: The danger factor in this matchup certainly was not lost
Speaker 5: on is He, but given where he was at this
Speaker 5: stage of his career, put his high ranking on the
Speaker 5: line against a contender with a lot of skills and
Speaker 5: a lot of different departments. Kenny and Joe Pifer gets
Speaker 5: it done. The TKO comes at the four eighteen mark
Speaker 5: of round two, and not without some adversity.
Speaker 7: For Joe, he had to battle through some things.
Speaker 5: Certainly is he realized some success on the feet, but
Speaker 5: at the end of the dough at the day, there
Speaker 5: is a new top flight Middleway contender and it is
Speaker 5: Joe body Bags Python.
Speaker 4: I thought it was a really impressive performance, especially given
Speaker 4: what you talked about how he did have to battle
Speaker 4: back from some serious adversity. You know, I thought Israel
Speaker 4: outis Sonya was doing a great job of utilizing variety
Speaker 4: of keeping Joe on the outside, attacking with the leg kicks,
Speaker 4: but then he welcomed Joe into a world that you
Speaker 4: know was not his strength, and it was the strength
Speaker 4: of Joe Pifer and that was just trading power shots.
Speaker 2: Joe is the more powerful guy.
Speaker 4: We've seen him put a lot of guys to sleep
Speaker 4: with just one shot, and I think those shots were accruing.
Speaker 4: They were doing a lot of damage to Izzy, and
Speaker 4: I'm not totally certain that out of Sonya's reaction time
Speaker 4: or speed is what it used to be, and Joe
Speaker 4: took full advantage.
Speaker 2: Of it, kept pressing forward.
Speaker 4: But on the ground is really where he took full
Speaker 4: advantage of Izzy's weakness. And I thought was a very
Speaker 4: complete performance. From Joe Pifer. Very impressive.
Speaker 5: Crazy to think about what a difference a year makes
Speaker 5: for Joe Pifer. Right, he was deathly ill a year
Speaker 5: ago in Mexico City and that resulted in a delay
Speaker 5: of the Kelvin Gastallom fight, and he's just responded so
Speaker 5: well since that bit of UFC adversity, I guess, I mean,
Speaker 5: you can go back to the Contender series, but the
Speaker 5: fight against Jack Ermanson and he's really sort of rounded
Speaker 5: into form. And anyone who sort of was following how
Speaker 5: things were going during fight week understood that Joe was
Speaker 5: dealing with some mental things in advance of this fight,
Speaker 5: even a couple weeks before the fight, suggesting that he
Speaker 5: was having suicidal thoughts. So to come through, to lean
Speaker 5: into faith and spirit the way he has and produce
Speaker 5: a performance like this with such a huge step up
Speaker 5: in competition, you know, A tip of the cap to
Speaker 5: Joe Pifer, who I mentioned his schedule to join us
Speaker 5: here in a few minutes, But what a performance by him.
Speaker 5: And I do think he was able to have his
Speaker 5: power heard from on the feet. And I certainly think
Speaker 5: that while at Asanya realized some success and you know,
Speaker 5: maybe had the fight extended, who knows. I do feel
Speaker 5: like Pifer's power was starting to really be heard from
Speaker 5: and then obviously he got the fight where he has
Speaker 5: the design advantage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just started.
Speaker 4: Kind of trading with Pifer, which I think was was
Speaker 4: an odd decision. You know, is he is so tough
Speaker 4: and perhaps you know, tried to make it a battle
Speaker 4: of wills a little bit too much. But as tough
Speaker 4: as I is, he is and we've seen that toughness
Speaker 4: in the past many many times.
Speaker 2: I feel, and I've said this before, it's an insurance, polsy.
Speaker 2: It's a thing you use just in case.
Speaker 4: It's not a thing where you just kind of break
Speaker 4: the glass just because and you start using this thing.
Speaker 4: You do it because you're in trouble. And I don't
Speaker 4: think he needed to use it at that point. That's
Speaker 4: where he needed to kind of regroup, put Piper on
Speaker 4: the outside and go back to what was making him successful,
Speaker 4: and that was variety and keeping him on the outside,
Speaker 4: he allowed Pifer to get on the inside.
Speaker 2: He started trading shots.
Speaker 4: And showed a little bit too machismo, you know, too
Speaker 4: much of that, and I think that's where Pifer took
Speaker 4: full advantage and then ended up, you know, taking to
Speaker 4: the ground and and really put a number on Izzy.
Speaker 4: But you know, it shows that Pifer is way more
Speaker 4: complete as a fighter. I also think that if this
Speaker 4: happened a few years ago, John, I don't know if
Speaker 4: you would have responded in the same manner. From everything
Speaker 4: he said, like even his voice sounds more mature. Everything
Speaker 4: about Pifer, he just seems like he has embraced his
Speaker 4: role and what he's supposed to do, and he's comfortable
Speaker 4: in it.
Speaker 2: And it's great to see.
Speaker 5: They say, God will give you what you can handle,
Speaker 5: maybe right up to the point where he breaks you,
Speaker 5: but don't give you.
Speaker 2: More than you can handle.
Speaker 5: And certainly at times I think Joe Pifer, certainly in
Speaker 5: his formative years, dealt with so many different trials and
Speaker 5: tribulations and adversity, homeless at one point in time, and
Speaker 5: not having the parental structure that a lot of us
Speaker 5: take for granted. And to see him emergent through this
Speaker 5: and to beat a former undisputed UFC midweight champion in Israel,
Speaker 5: lot of Sonya, whom he called during fight week the
Speaker 5: greatest middleweight champion of all time, is just a tremendous
Speaker 5: tremendous winner. We'll spend a lot of time over the
Speaker 5: course of the show living in Joe Pifer's win and
Speaker 5: spinning it forward for him. How far does Kenny think
Speaker 5: he can take this thing? There are a lot of
Speaker 5: vaunted middleweight challenges that certainly await Joe Piper now that
Speaker 5: presumably he will reside in the top five. All three
Speaker 5: judges gave Izzy round one, and who knows how this
Speaker 5: fight would have played out had it gotten out of
Speaker 5: a round two or into the championship main event rounds
Speaker 5: as it were. But I want to go back a
Speaker 5: few months to what I felt was just wayward Alexander
Speaker 5: Volkanovsky retirement talk as it relates to adasanya retirement talk here.
Speaker 7: So Volkanovsky was never going.
Speaker 5: To retire, regardless of that result in the rematch with
Speaker 5: Diego Lopez, in part because there's plenty of fight left
Speaker 5: in the dog right and losing streaks aren't necessarily what
Speaker 5: retire elief fighters. So I found it wildly refreshing Kenny
Speaker 5: that Adasanya got on the microphone and immediately said, I'm
Speaker 5: not going anywhere. We'll table the Ezzy stuff for a second.
Speaker 5: Is now joining us, and I don't know if the
Speaker 5: fight checks have come. There's more than one check coming
Speaker 5: his way. The bona fide midleweight contender representing the United
Speaker 5: States of America, Joe Pier. Good to see him, My man,
Speaker 5: how are we doing this morning?
Speaker 1: Nice to see I got a swollen face from just
Speaker 1: waking up.
Speaker 2: My man. Well, we appreciate the time.
Speaker 5: And we were saying before he came on, It's crazy
Speaker 5: what a difference a year makes, right when you think
Speaker 5: about how sick you were almost a year ago to
Speaker 5: the day today in city, and now you're on top
Speaker 5: of the fucking m.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's It was not a good experience
Speaker 8: in Mexico and I'll never.
Speaker 1: Go back there.
Speaker 5: So there was a time when I suggested that Izzy
Speaker 5: was the greatest midleweight of all time, and people came
Speaker 5: at me, And certainly it's hard to argue with what
Speaker 5: Anderson Silva had done, But I'm a modern era guy,
Speaker 5: and based upon what is he had done in the
Speaker 5: modern era and then getting the belt back a second time,
Speaker 5: I didn't think you were wrong to classify him in
Speaker 5: that way. Now you beat the guy, and all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, your entire.
Speaker 7: World opens up as an elite MMA fighter.
Speaker 5: I know you're still probably marinating it and digesting the result.
Speaker 5: But what is it like to sort of be on
Speaker 5: the other side of what was a hugely challenging fight
Speaker 5: camp mentally, physically and otherwise, and now to have the
Speaker 5: biggest winning your MMA careers.
Speaker 1: You know, John, it's a it's a weird feeling.
Speaker 8: Like I was just laughing and I told my girl,
Speaker 8: I was like, I beat one of the best in
Speaker 8: the world, and I was just laughing because of all
Speaker 8: this stuff that I do and I like joke around
Speaker 8: and just I care myself. But yeah, man, I the
Speaker 8: only way I can describe it is I've been like
Speaker 8: this the whole time and in the middle, and I
Speaker 8: haven't been riding the high.
Speaker 1: I haven't been riding a low.
Speaker 8: I truly, truly believe that my faith has done that
Speaker 8: for me, where like nothing's too big or else it
Speaker 8: kind of gets you distracted and nothing's you know, too
Speaker 8: low that you can't climb back out of with prayer.
Speaker 1: So I I really do feel the change. You know.
Speaker 8: I saw everything that everybody was saying, being concerned about
Speaker 8: not having the.
Speaker 1: Mean streak, this that and the other.
Speaker 8: But you know, I got to accomplish one of the
Speaker 8: biggest dreams of my life was, which was to fight
Speaker 8: the top tier of the top tier and find out
Speaker 8: what kind of man I was and when I was
Speaker 8: in there, whether people think I was.
Speaker 1: Tired or not, I was not. I it just I
Speaker 1: kind of settled it in.
Speaker 8: That's just kind of my pace when I'm when I
Speaker 8: settle in and yeah, I just I went to work
Speaker 8: until I finally got him out of there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Joe, you sound more grounded. You look more grounded
Speaker 4: even during the fight. What were your expectations before the fighter?
Speaker 4: Did you have Eddie and did you think it kind
Speaker 4: of went the way it was going to go?
Speaker 8: To be honest, I had no idea how it was
Speaker 8: going to go, other than I knew I was the
Speaker 8: better grappler. I knew I was the stronger guy. I
Speaker 8: knew I was the harder punching guy. But I knew
Speaker 8: is he was the He's the smarter fighter overall. I
Speaker 8: would say, you know, he's a chess player, he's he's
Speaker 8: a point player. He's uh, if he's got to knock
Speaker 8: you out, he's gonna catch you with something clean.
Speaker 1: I will say, Emmy, I.
Speaker 8: Watched the fight back for the first time, he had
Speaker 8: me biting on that question mark kick and I was like, oh,
Speaker 8: just during the fight, you know, I knew he was
Speaker 8: gonna like I saw it, but I it's kind of
Speaker 8: it was kind of.
Speaker 1: Like a reaction for me while I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're really gonna throw it, but uh but.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, it was uh it played out. I guess
Speaker 8: how I'll say this. I drilled that exact thing. I'm
Speaker 8: gonna probably post it at some point where I was
Speaker 8: drolling with Nicky Rod. Nicki Rod has been a big
Speaker 8: part of my jiu jitsu along with my ju jitsu
Speaker 8: coach Jonathan Webb, jay regular Budo uh smash past jay
Speaker 8: I go to my jiu jitsu class. He's like one
Speaker 8: of the guys that helps develop the rules for like
Speaker 8: the UFC Invitationals and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So I've been around really high level jiu jitsu guys.
Speaker 8: And uh, but me and Nicki went over that exact
Speaker 8: battakee sequence that you know, we're just gonna keep transfer
Speaker 8: and transfer and transfer. And he's only got two exits,
Speaker 8: either turn to your back or turn to your stomach.
Speaker 8: Worst one being turned to your stomach because if I
Speaker 8: can stick you there. Obviously I was going to get
Speaker 8: the ground and bound. But yeah, no, to answer your question, Kenny,
Speaker 8: because I have a lot to say, I guess is
Speaker 8: it went exactly how I thought it could go. But
Speaker 8: I kind of freed myself from a result and imagining
Speaker 8: how I could get to finish, Like when they would
Speaker 8: come there, I would let them happen in my head.
Speaker 1: Like so I could.
Speaker 8: You don't envision it, I guess, but I kind of
Speaker 8: didn't hold on to one particular way that.
Speaker 1: I was going to win.
Speaker 4: And Joe, I'm really fascinated and really impressed with this
Speaker 4: kind of this spiritual awakening, this religious awakening, if you
Speaker 4: want to call it that. And when when did this
Speaker 4: is exactly kind of go down? And when did this
Speaker 4: change kind of start.
Speaker 2: To emerge for you?
Speaker 8: February seventh was when I went through my dark time.
Speaker 8: And yeah, I probably cried every day in my life,
Speaker 8: even up until today. I just feel so relieved and
Speaker 8: so thankful and just the habits that I'm installing in
Speaker 8: my life.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I was I could have been a lost
Speaker 1: child man.
Speaker 8: So you know, I only say Christian because it identifies
Speaker 8: with my beliefs and everything, But I'm a believer first
Speaker 8: and foremost. Before you put any entitled to it, I'm
Speaker 8: a believer. And it's something you won't ever understand.
Speaker 1: Man, I don't know.
Speaker 8: I don't know either of you guys like that, but
Speaker 8: it's something you won't ever understand until you feel a
Speaker 8: presence that you can't see, that you can't hear, but
Speaker 8: you can feel. And I just felt called to change,
Speaker 8: and I was able to see myself and be disgusted
Speaker 8: in all these things and just wanted to be a
Speaker 8: better human being.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to talk.
Speaker 8: There's gonna be guys that don't care about what I
Speaker 8: had to say that might mock me for it. I
Speaker 8: took the hardest road that I could take with this
Speaker 8: change because there's gonna be people that come after to me.
Speaker 8: Even before the fight, everybody's saying they don't know if
Speaker 8: I'm gonna have this mean streak or whatever. And the
Speaker 8: guy's a little psycho and that's what he relied on,
Speaker 8: and it's like, just wait and see. I ever got
Speaker 8: his plan was was already written, and I just went
Speaker 8: out there and I accepted that it didn't it can't
Speaker 8: let me tell you guys. This, I'm sorry I'm taking
Speaker 8: so long answer to this, but it was just such
Speaker 8: a special moment for me.
Speaker 1: I had absolutely no fear at all.
Speaker 8: And it tells you in the Bible over and over again,
Speaker 8: do not be afraid, for I'm with you. Do not
Speaker 8: be afraid, Do not be afraid and uh. And then
Speaker 8: one of my favorite verses as well is like when
Speaker 8: it says whom shall I send, and I say, here
Speaker 8: in mind, send me, and uh, and I just I would.
Speaker 8: I've always said that even before my faith, like I'll
Speaker 8: always bet on me because I was bored a fighter.
Speaker 8: You didn't teach me, you didn't have to teach me
Speaker 8: how to fight. I know when I get in there,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna bite down and I'm a swing and if
Speaker 8: you knock me out.
Speaker 1: You knock me out, is what it is like. But
Speaker 1: his walkout was sick. Music was sick, the timing of it,
Speaker 1: the crowd was sick. They were loud, bro.
Speaker 8: It was literally his music was shaking the freaking canvas.
Speaker 1: Bro, and my feet and I just was like nothing,
Speaker 1: and I was like wow.
Speaker 8: So afterwards, that's kind of that's kind of what gets
Speaker 8: me like excited, is like I have that kind of
Speaker 8: power that I don't care about people's aura.
Speaker 1: I didn't care.
Speaker 8: I really believed in my mind and I believed it
Speaker 8: starting with the Aboose fight, even though I was kind
Speaker 8: of a dookie fight. I was like zero and zero brother, like,
Speaker 8: I'm you're fighting man of a man of God.
Speaker 1: Now, like I got something deep and but.
Speaker 2: Man, it's a power.
Speaker 1: Thankful. What a beautiful weekend to fight somebody like Israel.
Speaker 5: Unbelievable. Man, I was getting chills during your walkout. I
Speaker 5: know we talk a lot about Izzy's walkouts. Yours was fantastic.
Speaker 5: And by the way, Joe Plifer with us live on
Speaker 5: the Anicmploring podcast. Face on the poster now, I know
Speaker 5: you have Izzy and Alex Panada mortalized there behind you,
Speaker 5: but we'll have to move the Grant Dawson King Green
Speaker 5: pot and put the Auto Sonya v.
Speaker 7: Piper poster there.
Speaker 5: So it's interesting because I'm a fan first, right, and
Speaker 5: you know I'm a fan of yours. I find you
Speaker 5: widely entertaining on a microphone. I love the mean streak,
Speaker 5: I love the power. A lot of athletes talk about
Speaker 5: flipping the switch, and I think for those of us
Speaker 5: that know you. We were not put off by your
Speaker 5: warm embrace with Izzy, but certainly I think some fans
Speaker 5: saw that and we're like, man, you know, how's Joey
Speaker 5: kid gonna fucking flip the switch now? So what can
Speaker 5: you tell us about just your aggression as a fighter
Speaker 5: and how maybe you do or don't flip the switch
Speaker 5: once you actually get in there, especially with somebody you
Speaker 5: respect to such an extension.
Speaker 1: I think I just changed.
Speaker 8: I rewired my brain with my faith to change what
Speaker 8: I'm fighting for, and what I'm fighting for is to
Speaker 8: give the glory to God first and foremost, because He's
Speaker 8: the only one that could reward me with victory.
Speaker 1: And the only way that He's going to reward me
Speaker 1: with victory.
Speaker 8: If that's the possibility, is if I'm walking in the
Speaker 8: ways that He commands us to. And you know, I
Speaker 8: really felt like I've been doing that. I start every day,
Speaker 8: I pray five, six, seven, eight times a day. It
Speaker 8: doesn't matter, however is many, however.
Speaker 1: Many is needed. But you know, I just feel like.
Speaker 8: God granted me this because he knows I want to
Speaker 8: bring people to feel the same exact feeling that I felt.
Speaker 1: And it has nothing to do with control.
Speaker 8: My belief mine has to do with being a real man,
Speaker 8: being someone who loves their wife, who doesn't cheat, who doesn't,
Speaker 8: you know, have these addictions and all kinds of stuff,
Speaker 8: you know, And what it's done for me is restored
Speaker 8: me and made me. And the best thing about my
Speaker 8: faith is the forgiveness of it. There's nothing that we've
Speaker 8: there's a couple of things that you can't do and
Speaker 8: be forgiven for, but but you know, ultimately I'm forgiven
Speaker 8: and then that gives me a great peace in my
Speaker 8: heart and my soul. And so I'm fighting for the
Speaker 8: glory of God. And I'm also fighting for my wife
Speaker 8: soon to be hopefully my girlfriend of six plus years
Speaker 8: that's been by me unconditionally, you know.
Speaker 1: So I just those were the two things that I
Speaker 1: was really fighting for.
Speaker 8: And the way I envisioned it was, Hey, you want
Speaker 8: to get that dream house one day. You wouldn't have
Speaker 8: a farm, you would have a bunch of animals, you
Speaker 8: wouldn't be self sufficient. You want to have financial security.
Speaker 8: It starts right here. And whether you feel like it
Speaker 8: or not, whether you're tired or not, whether your hydration
Speaker 8: went right or not, You're going to go out there
Speaker 8: and until this man puts you out. If that's the case,
Speaker 8: you'll face that like a man. But if not, you're
Speaker 8: gonna sit there and you're gonna you're gonna be in
Speaker 8: this man's face and break him. And that's just kind of.
Speaker 6: How I was.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't like overemotional about it.
Speaker 8: It was just yeah, I really just the only part
Speaker 8: that was a little emotional was my walkout song because
Speaker 8: that was special to me and my girlfriend.
Speaker 1: And I own the moment. Man.
Speaker 6: I loved it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what an incredible weekend for Joe Pifer. We got
Speaker 5: a couple more minutes with you. So as you look
Speaker 5: forward to the Kamzachi Mayavs of the world and all
Speaker 5: the potential big fights that await, I guess inwardly, you
Speaker 5: and Dean Thomas and Jonathan Webb and everybody else now
Speaker 5: gets to continue to craft this piece of clay. And again,
Speaker 5: people don't understand just how well versus you are. Kenny does,
Speaker 5: but maybe a lot of people don't understand just how
Speaker 5: well rounded a guy you are and how much championship
Speaker 5: potential you have. But where is the area in which
Speaker 5: you see the biggest opportunity for growth as a mixed
Speaker 5: martial arts out.
Speaker 1: I think it's just good. I mean, I think it's everywhere.
Speaker 8: To be honest, I think my jujitsu game could get
Speaker 8: a little bit tighter, especially on the feet. Like I
Speaker 8: have this thing where I want to just trade because
Speaker 8: I just if somebody's well, that's where easy went wrong
Speaker 8: is you can't trade with me.
Speaker 1: I mean you can, you can.
Speaker 9: Possibly, you can do anything. There's just repercussion. Look, I mean,
Speaker 9: look like I consider it easy to go. But he's
Speaker 9: lost to you know, every dog has his day.
Speaker 8: I don't think anybody who's ever even left the sport
Speaker 8: undefeated wouldn't have gotten their day either. It's just a
Speaker 8: matter of when you get out. So yeah, I think
Speaker 8: I can approve everywhere. I think I I think I should.
Speaker 8: I have real, real fast hands, and I think people
Speaker 8: have just made that. It's just the only time I
Speaker 8: get big and slow is when I'm sitting there and
Speaker 8: I'm just trying to explode your head with one shot.
Speaker 1: So I got to be a little bit more disciplined
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 8: The cat kicks hurt, but like and I know I
Speaker 8: gave a reaction because he would hit them good like
Speaker 8: where I was like kind of off balance, but like,
Speaker 8: I wasn't immobilized.
Speaker 1: If you see the fight and you watch it back,
Speaker 1: I still was bouncing.
Speaker 8: Definitely hurt, but it wasn't something that was like crippling
Speaker 8: me like the jack one did. Because I checked a
Speaker 8: few of them. It's very subtle, but like I checked
Speaker 8: the first one, and I know that hurt. It had
Speaker 8: to have hurt him because he I don't know, maybe
Speaker 8: it didn't.
Speaker 1: He kept throwing it, but I was like, damn, bro,
Speaker 1: stop throwing it.
Speaker 8: Like but uh, yeah, I can improve everywhere, man, I
Speaker 8: can improve everywhere.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a sponge. I think that the coaches love
Speaker 1: that about me, you know.
Speaker 8: I think they also had some question marks in the head,
Speaker 8: if I'm being completely honest. Yeah, until the shakeout, you know,
Speaker 8: and I tell them. They were like, hey, look, this
Speaker 8: is what we're here to do. And I was like, guys, listen,
Speaker 8: like I'm here to rumble. I'm not going nowhere, ye, Like,
Speaker 8: I'm fighting for something even, I'm fighting for something deeper
Speaker 8: than just some chip on my shoulder and anger about
Speaker 8: something from my past. I'm fighting for love, I'm fighting
Speaker 8: for glory. I'm fighting for all this and I want
Speaker 8: to give it to the world. So I know that
Speaker 8: the whole stadium was against me, is what it felt like.
Speaker 5: But yeah, well you turn them around and as you
Speaker 5: continue to pursue and attain peace and happiness.
Speaker 7: It's gott a dovetail beautifully with your fighting career.
Speaker 5: Before we let you go, right, there are a handful
Speaker 5: of top flight middleweights that are unbooked.
Speaker 7: What is your expectation as to what the UFC is.
Speaker 5: Going to do with you? Do you think it's going
Speaker 5: to be another main event? Do you think it's going
Speaker 5: to be a guy like Kyle BOHOLLYO. What is your
Speaker 5: best guess as to when we might see you back
Speaker 5: and in what context?
Speaker 1: Hey, I don't know.
Speaker 8: I don't like to play matchmaker after I just did
Speaker 8: something like I did. I know that's what I should
Speaker 8: to be doing, obviously, but I'll just say this. You know,
Speaker 8: I know there's a Philadelphia card coming up in August.
Speaker 8: I would love that. I definitely think I put myself
Speaker 8: in a position after beating one of the greatest of
Speaker 8: the world, to be another main event. But hey, if
Speaker 8: you want to give me three rounds, that favors me.
Speaker 8: So let's let's let's get me headline in the August
Speaker 8: Card of Philly if that's true, or let's let's let's
Speaker 8: hit something up in like September October. You know, I
Speaker 8: have a lot of injuries right now, believe it or not. Uh,
Speaker 8: then I need to get checked. My hand is still
Speaker 8: pretty swollen, so I'm not sure, at least in comparison,
Speaker 8: I'm not pretty sure. I don't know if I broke
Speaker 8: something in it, but and then I gotta get something
Speaker 8: checked out. I just had surgery on this elbow, so
Speaker 8: I don't know if something like I don't know if
Speaker 8: I pulled a muscle in it.
Speaker 1: I was struggling with it for the last two weeks.
Speaker 8: But you know, I would say August, September, October somewhere
Speaker 8: around there. I want to take a little bit of time, guys.
Speaker 8: I want to you know, I want to get better,
Speaker 8: and I don't like taking fights until I feel like
Speaker 8: I've gotten better. One thing I could say I got
Speaker 8: better with with this was obviously.
Speaker 1: My mental approach.
Speaker 8: Like I didn't I was in bedridden with anxiety before
Speaker 8: overthinking things and trying to control the result just kind
Speaker 8: of was in the moment. That's what being in the
Speaker 8: moment is so, but yeah, you know me versus d DP,
Speaker 8: I think that would be cool. He was a great champion.
Speaker 8: I know he lost the belt, but he's a dog.
Speaker 8: He's a tough dude. He likes to bang, he likes
Speaker 8: to brawl. Me versus Kyle. I love Kyle.
Speaker 1: I talked to him a lot.
Speaker 8: It seems like, yeah, I did fighting all the guys
Speaker 8: that I wind up having good relationships with. You know,
Speaker 8: the only way I would fight Brendon Allen is if
Speaker 8: they said it was a like a number one contender,
Speaker 8: like I get a title shot if after we you know,
Speaker 8: we fight, but that one's there.
Speaker 1: I hope that's not the case. But uh yeah, Kyle
Speaker 1: or DDP probably makes sense.
Speaker 8: I think I should wait. I think should wait. I
Speaker 8: think he's on a great wind streak. I think he
Speaker 8: I thought he should have been fighting Hamza, right, so
Speaker 8: I think he should wait. I think he's in a
Speaker 8: great position. But yeah, that's those are my thoughts.
Speaker 5: Well, you maximize the showcase, my man. You put yourself
Speaker 5: in pride position. It is funny because a lot of
Speaker 5: these guys who you mentioned have either put you over
Speaker 5: or have a lot of respect for you, and vice versa,
Speaker 5: whether Shieki Zu Plus or Kyle Bohalio. But hey, man, congratulations,
Speaker 5: you just took out the former un disputed two time
Speaker 5: UFC middleweight champion, and we can't wait to see all
Speaker 5: the work you continue to do on yourself mentally, physically
Speaker 5: and otherwise. And you're all classman for coming on and
Speaker 5: giving us a quarter of an hour today. Joe Pifer,
Speaker 5: You're the fucking man. Enjoy the fruits. We'll talk to
Speaker 5: you simples.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Boys.
Speaker 5: Is Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Zone. Joe Pifer be Joe Pifer. And
Speaker 5: it is interesting because his fan base has built organically.
Speaker 5: It's built methodically, dating to Dana White's Contender series. And
Speaker 5: I always say the best way to build your fan
Speaker 5: base to knock motherfuckers clean out. That's how John O'Malley
Speaker 5: did it right, is to knock people out. That's the
Speaker 5: best way to build your fan base. So even though
Speaker 5: maybe some of the faith is lost on certain people,
Speaker 5: it's certainly not lost on you nor me. He keeps
Speaker 5: knocking people out doing it the right way.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 7: People are paying attention.
Speaker 4: You gotta finish fights, Yeah, no, that's that's the way
Speaker 4: to do it, man, And again, I think that so
Speaker 4: much of this game, so much of being a professional athlete,
Speaker 4: is what kind of mental attitude you bring to it.
Speaker 4: It affects the way you train, it affects the way
Speaker 4: you perform under stress, under pressure, and I think this
Speaker 4: new Joe Pifer is a major major problem. He also
Speaker 4: he always had the physicality, he always had the talent,
Speaker 4: but now with this other element, I think he really
Speaker 4: is a guy that that could win the belt.
Speaker 2: I do think he's that good. And you know, I thought,
Speaker 2: I thought it was a really complete performance from him.
Speaker 7: Part of my job that I take seriously.
Speaker 5: I guess it's not part of my job, but oftentimes
Speaker 5: after fighter loses a fight, I will slide into their
Speaker 5: DMS and try to provide some sort of encouragement. Now
Speaker 5: I'm not saying this to sort of too my own
Speaker 5: horn and have people be like, oh man, that's really thoughtful.
Speaker 5: But as I was getting ready to book Joe Pifer
Speaker 5: on the show today, I went back into our Instagram
Speaker 5: messages because that's how I contact him. And you know,
Speaker 5: it's interesting for me to read what I wrote to
Speaker 5: him after he lost to jack Er Manson or after
Speaker 5: he got sick in Mexico City, and I happen to
Speaker 5: get sick as well. And you know, he's had some
Speaker 5: really dark moments and now he has a lot of
Speaker 5: light moments. And if you do subscribe to the theory
Speaker 5: that good things happen to good people, that's what's happening
Speaker 5: to Joe Pifer right now.
Speaker 4: I think that, you know, for someone who had a
Speaker 4: tough upbringing and who has dealt with a lot of
Speaker 4: adversity and have had a lot of dark times, sometimes
Speaker 4: it takes one person.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it takes.
Speaker 4: Multiple people to say I believe in you. You could
Speaker 4: be the best at this or whatever it is. Having
Speaker 4: a good core group of people and having people you respect,
Speaker 4: like like John Annix, Sending a kind message or a
Speaker 4: positive message can do wonders for people. And I'm not
Speaker 4: saying that that's the only reason, right, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people contributing to that, but that
Speaker 4: does make a huge difference, man. And sometimes you know,
Speaker 4: you need other people to believe in you more than
Speaker 4: you believe in yourself.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, put thanks everybody joining us live here on
Speaker 5: the anicon Florian podcast. Plattum Mike Perry scheduled to join
Speaker 5: us here coming up at the bottom of the hour,
Speaker 5: to be followed by Ray Longo. So before we get
Speaker 5: back to Israel, lot of Sonya. I hadn't heard about
Speaker 5: the Philadelphia card. Oftentimes I'm the last man to find out.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's a numbered event or it's
Speaker 5: a fight night, But you gotta think that Joe Pifer
Speaker 5: is going to factor prominently in that equation and seems
Speaker 5: like maybe Kyle Bohoalio makes some sense.
Speaker 4: Kidding, Oh, it's a great fight. I hope the timing
Speaker 4: works out for him. You know, he obviously divulged that
Speaker 4: he does have some injuries he needs to heal up,
Speaker 4: but I hope the timing works out. I think that
Speaker 4: would be a fantastic fight between two guys that are
Speaker 4: at the top of their game right now that are
Speaker 4: kind of peeking and yeah.
Speaker 2: So much talent on both sides.
Speaker 4: But you know, with this new kind of mindset and
Speaker 4: him having the ability to fight in his hometown, what
Speaker 4: an opportunity.
Speaker 5: That would be meant And you gotta think he will
Speaker 5: be there May ninth, in Newark, New Jersey, not far
Speaker 5: from where he lives. Datchimaia makes the first defense of
Speaker 5: his title against Sean Strickland. So I felt pretty convicted
Speaker 5: that Israel out of Sonia win or lose, was not
Speaker 5: going to retire. And certainly I am a little bit
Speaker 5: maybe more on the inside than some of the speculists
Speaker 5: that are out there, right, But you can lose four
Speaker 5: fights and still not be ready to retire. And even
Speaker 5: though somebody within a stude mind like Kenny Florian would
Speaker 5: suggest to you today that maybe out of Sonya isn't
Speaker 5: quite as fast or the footwork isn't necessarily there the
Speaker 5: way it was in his prime, it doesn't mean on
Speaker 5: any given Saturday night he can't compete with the top
Speaker 5: five to seven middleweights in the world. So he's not
Speaker 5: just a prize fighter. He certainly has realized financial freedom.
Speaker 5: He's continuing for the love of the game, the love
Speaker 5: of the sport, and for legacy. I commend him on that,
Speaker 5: and I think there's a great chance that Israeldo Sonia
Speaker 5: wins another UFC fight against high level competition before all
Speaker 5: is said than done.
Speaker 4: Your thoughts on that, yeah, I think everyone fights for
Speaker 4: different reasons, and you have.
Speaker 2: To know what that is very very clearly.
Speaker 4: I think that is he has done what very few
Speaker 4: fighters will ever achieve. And I think that if he
Speaker 4: still has a passion for this game, then yeah, he
Speaker 4: can stay in it. And for me, I think that
Speaker 4: he has slowed down a little bit. But he has
Speaker 4: to be fully aware of that. I think and say,
Speaker 4: what do I need to do to change maybe my
Speaker 4: approach in fight, maybe in camp uh to accommodate maybe
Speaker 4: these these adjustments and you know, find that way. It
Speaker 4: is hard, though, when you're used to fighting a certain
Speaker 4: way to just change that overnight. And I think there
Speaker 4: was perhaps a mental lapse during this fight, or maybe
Speaker 4: he was hurt and maybe not really in it at
Speaker 4: the time. And you have to give credit a whole
Speaker 4: lot of credit to Joe Pifer for fighting the way
Speaker 4: that he did.
Speaker 2: But you know, this is a critical time though, make
Speaker 2: no mistake about it.
Speaker 4: You know four five fights in a low and five
Speaker 4: losses in a row is is no joke. And you know,
Speaker 4: he has to find out very clearly what he's fighting for, because,
Speaker 4: as he said, he does not need to keep doing this.
Speaker 2: He does have financial freedom.
Speaker 4: And for me, you know, I want to remember, is
Speaker 4: he as that guy who was at his peak and right?
Speaker 4: You know, so, yeah, I hope that whatever he does,
Speaker 4: he makes the right choice and and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: find that piece right.
Speaker 5: You don't want twenty four and two to become twenty
Speaker 5: five eight when it comes to the MMA record all
Speaker 5: right now with us on the guest line. One of
Speaker 5: the biggest names in all of combat sports man and
Speaker 5: I always thought he could be this, one of the
Speaker 5: biggest names in all of combat sports, the king of violence,
Speaker 5: fifteen times UFC veteran, not White, Gold Platinum, Mike Perry
Speaker 5: rocking the Young La, loud and proud.
Speaker 7: It's good to see a champ. How we feel?
Speaker 10: Don Anni don the goat commentator, Go what up? Kenny?
Speaker 6: What up?
Speaker 4: What's up?
Speaker 7: I'm chilling, So I don't even know where to begin
Speaker 7: with you.
Speaker 5: You got a major MMA contest coming up with NATEDZ
Speaker 5: coming up May sixteenth on Netflix.
Speaker 7: We're very excited about that.
Speaker 5: But in a bare knuckle setting, man like, if you
Speaker 5: were trying to with AI create somebody who could beat you,
Speaker 5: man Like, how is anybody gonna beat you in that format?
Speaker 10: No, It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 10: You know, I'm coming back with my the gains that
Speaker 10: I have in bare knuckle boxing, and you know, my
Speaker 10: job is to go into the ring and let those
Speaker 10: hands go, throw, throw my punches, getting gritty, uh close adults,
Speaker 10: and you know, come out on top of those gritty matchups. Obviously,
Speaker 10: Nate Diaz is a crafty character and and he uses
Speaker 10: his mind and chooses, you know, who's gonna who's gonna
Speaker 10: have the ring generalship, who's gonna decide when the fight
Speaker 10: is happening and when it's not happening, or we're just
Speaker 10: going in the middle and we're just gonna throw. So
Speaker 10: there's a lot of excitement and in the ideas of
Speaker 10: this matchup that we could be compared to the UFC
Speaker 10: White House Card. Everyone is super excited about platinam Mike
Speaker 10: Perry versus Nate Diaz, and I am as well. So
Speaker 10: you know, I've been I've been filing really good that
Speaker 10: it's finally my time. MMA fighters throughout history have gone
Speaker 10: across platforms. That's what mixed martial arts is about. We
Speaker 10: have the skills in more than one genre and putting
Speaker 10: it all back together. I get to come back with
Speaker 10: some of the vicious talents that I've always had.
Speaker 4: It's a crazy fight, man, and just based on both
Speaker 4: of the way that both of the ways that you
Speaker 4: guys fight. I don't see it. I don't see it,
Speaker 4: you know, being boring at all. But you know, does
Speaker 4: it change the way that you've approached training? Now, obviously
Speaker 4: this is your first mixed martial arts fight in a
Speaker 4: little while. I'm not sure he's gonna be looking to
Speaker 4: take you down. I imagine it's probably gonna be you
Speaker 4: guys trading on the feet. But does it change a
Speaker 4: lot of the way how you approach this one compared
Speaker 4: to the last couple of years.
Speaker 10: No, I have to train smart and smooth and uh,
Speaker 10: you know, get those moments of grit where me and
Speaker 10: my training partners are really going at each other and
Speaker 10: in a professional manner. You know, you have the tough rounds.
Speaker 10: And now it's five times five. I'm fighting a championship
Speaker 10: level fight as far as five rounds of five minutes
Speaker 10: each twenty five minutes. Like, I'm really excited about that.
Speaker 10: I've been getting my sparring up to the five or
Speaker 10: six rounds or more, and you know, I'm feeling like
Speaker 10: it's it's become time in my life. I've proven myself
Speaker 10: again and again in combat sports. I've taken over a
Speaker 10: whole nother, you know movement with the bare knuckle fighting championships,
Speaker 10: and I've kind of gotten to become the face of that,
Speaker 10: and that's what I have to go in this fight
Speaker 10: and do. And you know, my wife's she's one of
Speaker 10: my coaches. She's in the corner and she's like, you
Speaker 10: guys are throwing hands. His last fight was a boxing match,
Speaker 10: this and that. Yes, I'm gonna stay.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 10: I like some of the clints. I like some of
Speaker 10: the close ups. I think he's gonna grab me and
Speaker 10: we're gonna fight in the clinch. I don't see him
Speaker 10: necessarily shooting a takedown unless I'm devastating him with the hands.
Speaker 10: And uh, you know, I gotta watch out for guillotines,
Speaker 10: arm drags, things like that of that nature. But the
Speaker 10: training remains the same. I just put in the work
Speaker 10: and go get to go have fun. May sixteen.
Speaker 5: I know you've talked a lot about Lati and the
Speaker 5: spousal support that you have had. You know, she was
Speaker 5: with you before you had gotten to whatever place of
Speaker 5: financial freedom you are at right now. So have you
Speaker 5: guys had sort of a moment to sort of enjoy
Speaker 5: the fruits that appreciate it, either in solitude the two
Speaker 5: of you or otherwise.
Speaker 10: You know, little little moments here and there. You know,
Speaker 10: she definitely needs more, uh and there there's gonna you know,
Speaker 10: I love I love how those things work out. And
Speaker 10: you know with when it comes to business, and business
Speaker 10: has to respect my life status and relationship and things
Speaker 10: like that. And we we try to mold those things
Speaker 10: together if we can. If I have a work trip,
Speaker 10: we'll bring the fam and make make something out of it.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 10: There hasn't been as much time as we would like
Speaker 10: to really sit back and kick your feet up. We
Speaker 10: got work to do. We're we're on a mission. I'm
Speaker 10: on a mission to really get that financial freedom so
Speaker 10: that we can do this when we're you know, I'll
Speaker 10: be forty before her. So yeah, you know, if we're
Speaker 10: forty and I can kick my feet up on the
Speaker 10: beach and have those my ties, Yeah, yeah, I'm finally ready.
Speaker 5: So my son is seven. How old is Ocean right now?
Speaker 10: Ocean's five. Now he's catching up.
Speaker 5: He's starting to i'd imagine understand who the fuck his
Speaker 5: father really?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 10: Like, I don't know, that's a tough one. You know,
Speaker 10: we ask him questions all the time. Do you want
Speaker 10: to box? Do you want to fight? You know, I've
Speaker 10: seen comments people like he's in the mix.
Speaker 2: I'm like, he could be.
Speaker 10: If there's a good amount of money in it for him.
Speaker 10: One day, I'm sure he'll be after it, but for now,
Speaker 10: I don't think training is super super necessary. Like you know,
Speaker 10: David ben Vitez's son will probably beat up my son
Speaker 10: right now, and they're they're definitely the same, like exact age. Yeah,
Speaker 10: but that's okay because they're not going to get paid
Speaker 10: for that fight right now. When oceans seventeen eighteen and
Speaker 10: he has the emotions of his father, he will cry
Speaker 10: and claw some kids eyes out if he has to.
Speaker 10: I think it's inside of him. So, you know, hopefully
Speaker 10: I make enough money and then my kid can just
Speaker 10: be a computer whiz.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go, Platin Mike Perry with us live
Speaker 5: on the Anic Imploring Podcast. So you're still a young man.
Speaker 5: You were born in nineteen ninety one. You had a
Speaker 5: pretty extensive amateur career as an MMA fighter, if I'm
Speaker 5: not mistaken, but you're certainly rounding into form. I mean,
Speaker 5: i'd imagine you don't see the end as anywhere near
Speaker 5: in sight. You got all these different promotions looking for
Speaker 5: a PC like how long can you continue to realize
Speaker 5: success at the highest level of combat?
Speaker 10: Ah Man, I was just talking to Yo. Wel you
Speaker 10: know he goes over to Russia, fights for gob in
Speaker 10: bare knuckle fighting, you know, in Russia under their rules
Speaker 10: against their guys, and he gets He demands respect with
Speaker 10: his discipline and his knowledge at his age, and you
Speaker 10: know you can just physically see it when you look
Speaker 10: at him. He's working. He's putting in the work to
Speaker 10: keep his body where it's at and always be able
Speaker 10: to perform. You know, that's a goal to be forty
Speaker 10: eight and look like that still just kicking my body
Speaker 10: just through the roof, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 10: that's the goal. I just stay. It's a lifestyle as
Speaker 10: a martial artist, you know, to be the WU shoe master,
Speaker 10: Sin say when you're fifty and just like you know,
Speaker 10: you got these disciples around you that need the information
Speaker 10: that you can teach them. Like I said, we could
Speaker 10: teach the next genre generation of UFC fighters how to
Speaker 10: do their job.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So you got Dirty Boxing April tenth in Miami, and
Speaker 5: then it's back to Central Florida for a few weeks,
Speaker 5: and then I guess to be into a dome and
Speaker 5: soakl for Nate Diz live on this floor.
Speaker 7: Is that right?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, big man.
Speaker 5: Well, I look forward to seeing you at Dirty Boxing
Speaker 5: here shortly. I'm gonna come say hello on Friday night.
Speaker 5: I know you'll be making the rounds. And then May sixteenth, right,
Speaker 5: Nate Diez under the lights into a dome that is
Speaker 5: an absolutely amazing venue. If I were to say, given
Speaker 5: your promotional value in combat sports right now, will you
Speaker 5: ever be back in the octagon, would you say never?
Speaker 7: Say never? Or do you think that ship is sid I.
Speaker 10: Would definitely say never, say never. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: Oh I'm seeing things, but I want to talk too soon.
Speaker 10: You know, I got to focus on the task in hand.
Speaker 10: I think I just demolished this and I do my best.
Speaker 10: You see the best Platinum Perry back in the ring,
Speaker 10: back in the octagon or sorry it's a hexagon. We'll
Speaker 10: try to get a hexagon here for MVP. Gonna see
Speaker 10: how all that works out. They do big promotion. They
Speaker 10: put on a heck of a show, excited to put
Speaker 10: on for the fans and get back in MMA and
Speaker 10: showcase how you know what I could do when I
Speaker 10: go back.
Speaker 5: Well, my man, I just got to say deep congratulations
Speaker 5: on all your success, and I think you can tell
Speaker 5: me and we're just super happy for you.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: You deserve it all, you put in all the work,
Speaker 5: and uh we wish all the best of course with
Speaker 5: DBX April tenth and then May sixteenth, brother will be watching.
Speaker 10: Thank you so much, man. It's great to see you guys,
Speaker 10: and I look forward to returning to MMA. So enjoyed
Speaker 10: the show.
Speaker 5: My man Platinum Mike Perry Live on Netflix May sixteenth
Speaker 5: against fellow combat sports legend Nate Diez, and it is
Speaker 5: going to be interesting to see how all of that goes.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 7: I just don't know who would ever beat him.
Speaker 5: With with no padding on the knuckles right in a
Speaker 5: bare knuckle setting.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 5: When you look at some of the guys on his resume,
Speaker 5: whether it's Luke Rockholdt or Michael venim Page or Jeremy
Speaker 5: Stevens or Eddie Alvarez, a lot of different stylistic challenges.
Speaker 5: And when you see Perry's mits, brothers like dude, best
Speaker 5: of luck.
Speaker 7: Find I somebody to beat him in those rules Platinum.
Speaker 4: Mike Perry was built for that. Like the dude's straight
Speaker 4: out of a movie.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: He's an absolute savage, So it's great to see him
Speaker 4: get this huge opportunity against a massive legend in Nate Diez,
Speaker 4: and that fight is going to be bananas.
Speaker 5: He is about a two to one favorite right now
Speaker 5: against Nate Diez come May sixteenth, and yes, Dirty Boxing
Speaker 5: in Miami April tenth is on the eve of UFC
Speaker 5: three twenty seven. My twin brother Jason Anik is part
Speaker 5: of the broadcast team for DBX, so we will be
Speaker 5: there live to show our support. If Jay can get
Speaker 5: me a ticket, of course, I will be there on
Speaker 5: the eve of UFC three twenty seven. So we sort
Speaker 5: of keep getting away from this Israel Attasannya stuff. And
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna sit here and go through the middleway
Speaker 5: top ten and ask you, hey, how do you think
Speaker 5: he'd fare in a rematch with du plus see? How
Speaker 5: do you think he'd do against Kyle Boholyyo? You know,
Speaker 5: would the Brendan Allen fight be competitive? But I think
Speaker 5: our thesis statement on both sides is that as long
Speaker 5: as there's desire there's still enough sk you just don't
Speaker 5: want to see him, you know, maybe not on like
Speaker 5: an Anderson Silva go from you know, thirty and two
Speaker 5: to thirty and eleven.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, you know what happens in the fight game, right
Speaker 4: is you get these stars, and those stars once they
Speaker 4: kind of start dropping in perhaps their performance or consistency,
Speaker 4: they end up becoming, you know, a jumping off point
Speaker 4: for a lot of the fighters who are up and coming,
Speaker 4: And as a fighter, you then have to kind of say,
Speaker 4: is this the role that I want to be in
Speaker 4: as a fighter, Right, So if you're still enjoying it,
Speaker 4: and you're still getting up for your fights, and you're
Speaker 4: preparing really well and you're healthy, then absolutely I think
Speaker 4: you should continue doing that. And like you said, John,
Speaker 4: I do think his skills that are a high enough
Speaker 4: level where he is elite.
Speaker 2: So yeah, all.
Speaker 5: Right, just getting going live Anak and Florian podcast. We've
Speaker 5: been guessed heavy as such, we haven't even gotten into
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Speaker 3: It's now time for the Ray Long Minute.
Speaker 1: That's what I watch, The.
Speaker 3: Ray Long Minute, the John Nick and Kenny Florian podcast.
Speaker 11: No, hey, let me tell you that that was the
Speaker 11: card No More bitch and now ha.
Speaker 5: So Kenny Florian is a quality over quantity guy in
Speaker 5: most aspects of his life. Right, doesn't send a lot
Speaker 5: of text messages, but he couldn't stop texting when Alexa
Speaker 5: Grosso did that. Right, they call it a club and sub,
Speaker 5: but you don't always see it, not like that like.
Speaker 11: That, man, I mean, let me tell you, that's the
Speaker 11: closest death in the octagon.
Speaker 6: I think we've.
Speaker 11: That was Come on, why don't even know I can't
Speaker 11: even process that that girl was that. It's just it's
Speaker 11: not even like it's the way she jumped on the
Speaker 11: she nobody jumps on a rear naked quicker than that girl.
Speaker 2: I called the double whammy.
Speaker 4: Right, she knocked her out, uh like, basically put her
Speaker 4: unconscious and then jumped on a sub. Now, I did
Speaker 4: that with Clay Guita, but it was not as violent,
Speaker 4: it was not as dramatic, it was not.
Speaker 2: As quick as how she did it. It was just
Speaker 2: so fluid.
Speaker 4: The way she did it was it was bad, like
Speaker 4: she looked like an absolute gangster. And then the why
Speaker 4: it was so dramatic after it too. It was just
Speaker 4: like Macy Barber was just in a completely different dimension.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: She went to the shadow realm and she was staring
Speaker 4: into another dimension at that and she could not get
Speaker 4: up for a.
Speaker 2: Very very long time.
Speaker 4: And you know, Grosso just kind of calmly got up,
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, sorry, man, it was umble.
Speaker 6: Look, Grosso did the right thing.
Speaker 11: I think the ref did as good a job as
Speaker 11: he could if he got in there a.
Speaker 6: Quick It was fast. It was really quick.
Speaker 11: Man, that was And to be unconscious and have the
Speaker 11: blood or choked out to you, dude, that can't be good.
Speaker 6: That cannot be good.
Speaker 5: Ray Longo not a doctor, but he does play one
Speaker 5: here on the But no, you're not wrong.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 6: I gotta tell you. I don't even think a doctor
Speaker 6: could tell you what was going.
Speaker 10: Doctor was just.
Speaker 2: Staring at her.
Speaker 5: So Mike Beltron deserves a lot of credit. And this
Speaker 5: was I think he just refereeing in a while because
Speaker 5: he had about with diverticulatis and I think he had
Speaker 5: the surgery or whatever it was. But yes, I mean,
Speaker 5: thank goodness Beltron was all over it because there are
Speaker 5: plenty of referees that would have been out of position
Speaker 5: or less instinctive, and that could have spelled even a
Speaker 5: worse fate for Macy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh no, he got in there as quick.
Speaker 11: I don't think he could have did anything different, to
Speaker 11: be honest with you, it's how fast it was. And wow,
Speaker 11: that was That's some of the scariest shit I've ever seen.
Speaker 11: I've seen I've seen after the AFT myth with people
Speaker 11: are just laying on the floor and they still think
Speaker 11: they fight and they get but that the way that
Speaker 11: went down was was that was pretty brutal. That was brutal.
Speaker 11: And I hope Macy Bob is all right, man, what
Speaker 11: a you know.
Speaker 5: She seems to be handling things really well. She's been good,
Speaker 5: very public on social media, beco very good. Oftentimes athletes
Speaker 5: sort of cloak up, and I think actually just facing
Speaker 5: forward is probably gonna be therapeutic for her. But man,
Speaker 5: Alexa Grossel, when you think about how she rested the
Speaker 5: belts away from Valentina Chevchenko whose face was half discolored,
Speaker 5: and Kenny, now this finished that Dana White call one
Speaker 5: of the greatest in UFC history.
Speaker 7: I mean, she's.
Speaker 5: Gonna it's amazing how much And again she's realized the
Speaker 5: world title, she's defended it, she's made a lot of money.
Speaker 7: But bro, I mean, this is going to take it right.
Speaker 5: She gets the bonus right, She's going to get all
Speaker 5: this year end hardware for this, right, like Alexa Grosso,
Speaker 5: all of a sudden everything has opened up for again.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: I mean I say this so many times, but again,
Speaker 4: one fight can change your whole trajectory of your career.
Speaker 2: And that's how you come back.
Speaker 4: You know, that's how you come back and you remind
Speaker 4: everybody how badass you actually are.
Speaker 2: And you know, these are the dangerous fights for people.
Speaker 4: Like a Macy Barbara, when you're going against a former
Speaker 4: champion or an elite fighter and they're kind of on
Speaker 4: a little bit of a downstreak and you're like, I
Speaker 4: think I got them. This is maybe where they're their
Speaker 4: lowest point. This is when they're most vulnerable, and you
Speaker 4: forget now they're still there, They're still in it. And
Speaker 4: I had a feeling and what a performance in Grasso.
Speaker 2: I think it.
Speaker 4: Shows character, It shows development, and she's going to be
Speaker 4: a problem moving forward. Man, she's still here.
Speaker 11: Yeah up boxing A stand up was going on for
Speaker 11: that fight. Uh yeah, I mean it almost looks I
Speaker 11: know we're probably gonna talk about ad ASNJA too, but look,
Speaker 11: I like that is he that guy went in there
Speaker 11: to fight.
Speaker 6: I think I think he I give that guy a.
Speaker 11: Lot of credit, you know what I mean. I think
Speaker 11: he's a he's a good dude and he understands fighting.
Speaker 11: But uh man, that is he was the you know,
Speaker 11: it's a teddy one time said what a guy does
Speaker 11: at the end is always what he always wanted to
Speaker 11: do at the beginning.
Speaker 6: It wasn't really.
Speaker 11: Applying to this, but I think that's who is he
Speaker 11: always wanted to be. But you know, as you're going up,
Speaker 11: sometimes you gotta fight safe. You need that win to
Speaker 11: get to the next you know. I think this is
Speaker 11: the izzy that and he was doing great. You know,
Speaker 11: he took all those shots. I thought he was. He
Speaker 11: was looking good.
Speaker 6: Just you know, the Achilles seal was was the wrestling ray.
Speaker 5: I'm so glad that you just said that and sort
Speaker 5: of talked us into that talking point because Kenny and
Speaker 5: you and is he have a personal relationship. He's not
Speaker 5: emotionally attached to the losses and the wins. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: that it's absolutely critical, and certainly it applies to a
Speaker 5: lot of kickboxers who maybe experienced losses far more often
Speaker 5: than your average MMA fighter. But I think Ray's right.
Speaker 5: He was roundly criticized for that Jared cannoneer win at
Speaker 5: UFC two seventy six. I believe it was in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty two, and he's mostly lost fights since then. And
Speaker 5: the only man that he's knocked out since then and
Speaker 5: not beaten on points of course was Alex Padata, right.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I do believe in a lot of respects
Speaker 5: now that you know, there's a freedom with which he
Speaker 5: is fighting and it doesn't necessarily produce a win. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I really can lean into that ring.
Speaker 11: I mean, that's what I believe, and I like, again,
Speaker 11: hats off to him. I think I think we even
Speaker 11: saw that with GSP at the end of his career,
Speaker 11: and I know I think I had spoken to him
Speaker 11: about that two years ago, but you know, when GSP
Speaker 11: really started to open up, it is freedom, you know,
Speaker 11: it's not about winning a loser, it's about expressing yourself.
Speaker 11: And I think George did it at the end. He
Speaker 11: was in some wars at the end, if you remember
Speaker 11: he was he was he was playing down and fighting
Speaker 11: And I think, you know, once you get that monkey
Speaker 11: off your back and you've accomplished everything, you're in the
Speaker 11: history books forever is you'll go down as one of
Speaker 11: the greatest, if not the greatest middleweight in the world
Speaker 11: besides Widman. But uh, but uh, you know what I mean,
Speaker 11: like he's got nothing to prove.
Speaker 6: I tell you, I like that is he that? To me? John?
Speaker 11: You said the word freedom. That was freedom to me.
Speaker 11: He went in there, had a good time and you know,
Speaker 11: came up short.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but here's who I see it. He was
Speaker 2: winning the fight.
Speaker 4: And then you know that freedom made him fight in
Speaker 4: a style that I don't think is actually his where
Speaker 4: he fights at his best. And he took a lot
Speaker 4: of damage along the way. He took some huge shots
Speaker 4: from a guy that you don't want to trade with.
Speaker 4: And you know, again, just like Joe said, you can
Speaker 4: make any decision out there as a fighter, there's just
Speaker 4: gonna be repercussions for it. And I think that that
Speaker 4: was not the way that he was going to win
Speaker 4: that fight. If he did win that fight, I think
Speaker 4: he would have been throwing the dice. He did throw
Speaker 4: the dice, he got hurt. I don't think he was
Speaker 4: totally with it. You know, Piper got an easy takedown
Speaker 4: after that, took full advantage. And yes, that's where he
Speaker 4: you know, really lost the fight was on the ground.
Speaker 4: But you know, he was doing a great job of
Speaker 4: using variety and keeping Piper on the outside. And when
Speaker 4: he decided to be entertaining and trade, that's where he
Speaker 4: let Piper right back.
Speaker 6: In the fight, right right.
Speaker 11: But but again, John, he could have easily did a
Speaker 11: Yoel Romero with this calf kick and move move move,
Speaker 11: caf kick, jam move. The guy wouldn't have gotten near him.
Speaker 11: I don't think did bet. But again and again it's look,
Speaker 11: I could be completely wrong in this, but that's what
Speaker 11: I saw. I saw a guy that wanted to put
Speaker 11: on a show at any cost. Yeah, and uh, like again,
Speaker 11: I don't think he would have did this if it
Speaker 11: was five years ago, but uh, you know, it is
Speaker 11: what it is.
Speaker 7: I think you both make a lot of good points.
Speaker 6: He is.
Speaker 5: Free of championship pressure and perhaps liberating and stylistically results
Speaker 5: in some changes, but given the landscape in the middleweight
Speaker 5: division right now, even if he had knocked Joe Pifer
Speaker 5: clean out with a question mark kick in round one, Yeah,
Speaker 5: he's not getting ahead of Sean Strickland May ninth. He's
Speaker 5: plausibly not getting ahead of Nossordini Mavov, who beat him
Speaker 5: head to head. And you know that says nothing of
Speaker 5: some of the other guys like Brendan Allen. So yeah,
Speaker 5: very interesting stuff there. So anything else for us? I
Speaker 5: guess ray I would like to get thirty seconds or
Speaker 5: so on Joe Pifer because this fan.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, let's not tell you with a lot.
Speaker 5: He joined us off the top of the show today
Speaker 5: and I just really am happy for I guess his
Speaker 5: relative piece and happiness.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I didn't lean into that whatever they said. I
Speaker 11: hope he's all right. I know, you know, he came
Speaker 11: up on the regional circuit, He's surrounded by a lot
Speaker 11: of good people, and man, they kind of that fight
Speaker 11: was almost like Wideman Silver in a way didn't have
Speaker 11: the implications, but it was a guy coming up, big
Speaker 11: strong kid, you know what I mean, fighting the guy
Speaker 11: that's considered one of the best ever. And uh yeah,
Speaker 11: it's off the Piper. What a great, great win that
Speaker 11: is for him. And uh, you know, now things get interesting,
Speaker 11: right because now he's in the top What is he
Speaker 11: in the top five?
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So I'm happy to see. We'll see where it goes.
Speaker 11: But I'm happy for Piper. I just hope he holds
Speaker 11: it together. Whatever I heard about the suicide thing, I
Speaker 11: hope that's I hope he gets the right help and
Speaker 11: uh yeah, And you know, it's crazy when you think
Speaker 11: about that we have. It seems like you're on top.
Speaker 6: Of the world with everything and still you know, people
Speaker 6: don't get it.
Speaker 11: Man, It's a really serious, serious problem. And I hope
Speaker 11: he deals with it right correctly. I mean, you know
Speaker 11: what's funny, Tomember, remember that comedian Richard Jenny Like he
Speaker 11: was with his girlfriend.
Speaker 6: He's having a great time. I got it.
Speaker 11: I'm just gonna go to the bathroom, went in the
Speaker 11: bathroom and killed himself. But it wasn't like he was
Speaker 11: having a bad time. But mentally, if shit gets in
Speaker 11: your head and you don't have the right you know,
Speaker 11: defense mechanisms or the support team around you, I think
Speaker 11: things get ugly really quick.
Speaker 6: So I really only.
Speaker 11: Wish him the best. I know the people that manage him,
Speaker 11: I'm very close with everybody's He's a good He's a
Speaker 11: really good dude who went through a lot as a kid,
Speaker 11: and I hope he gets through it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it seems like he's in a good
Speaker 4: place now. But Ray, what do you think about his potential?
Speaker 4: I know you know you've you've spoken highly of him.
Speaker 4: Do you think he's a guy that could be a
Speaker 4: champion in that very difficult middleweight division.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, Look, it's gonna it's gonna eventually. Look,
Speaker 6: he's got his his wrestling, his jiu jitsu. Everything looked
Speaker 6: on point.
Speaker 11: He passed the guard NS and I'm not saying he
Speaker 11: was getting resistance or whatever, but I know they I
Speaker 11: think they brought in NICKI Rodriguez, so it looks like
Speaker 11: he's tight and in some of his stuff up. I
Speaker 11: don't think he can get much better of a guy
Speaker 11: to bring int that guy. I think he does. Man,
Speaker 11: he hits. He I'll tell you what, he's got lead
Speaker 11: in his hands, and I like a couple of those
Speaker 11: right hands. He just snuck in there out of nowhere,
Speaker 11: you know what I mean. So I saw some really.
Speaker 2: Good massive middle way to man.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I tell you, I thought he was going to
Speaker 11: be a lot tall. He's he's bigger than I thought.
Speaker 11: They matched They matched up, Yeah, they matched up a
Speaker 11: little differently. When I got out there, I thought the
Speaker 11: size was going to be a little more in his advantage,
Speaker 11: and I don't even think it wasn't advantage. So yeah,
Speaker 11: I think I think he could do whatever he wants
Speaker 11: to do.
Speaker 6: Has that.
Speaker 11: I think he wants it, and he stays on track
Speaker 11: and he gets his head focused and clears up all
Speaker 11: that other ship.
Speaker 6: Yet there's nothing no stopping them. He's got the tools and.
Speaker 5: In many respects they are going to be easier stylistic
Speaker 5: matchups for him than Israel. Not a son you kicking
Speaker 5: the shit out of your goddamn calves. And even though Pifer,
Speaker 5: in talking about the calf kicks earlier, said that he
Speaker 5: was able to fight through them, I think part of
Speaker 5: the issue is and Bola Mohabbed others suggests it's a
Speaker 5: toughness equation, but sometimes if that one completely changes the
Speaker 5: complexion of the fight, that's the issue. So you are
Speaker 5: playing with fire when it comes to that if that won, right, So, Ray,
Speaker 5: did you see the featured prelim between Tafik Mussaiah and
Speaker 5: Ignacio ba A Mondez that painted blood all over the canvas?
Speaker 6: Did you see that fight? Was happy that the I
Speaker 6: was happy to UFC got back on track. Yeah, this
Speaker 6: is what I suspect every great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's a few different angles through which to
Speaker 5: attack this, Kenny, I guess you can start us off here.
Speaker 7: There were fouls for a fence.
Speaker 5: Grab and edbudd that went completely unacknowledged, and again just
Speaker 5: inconsistency in officiating rearing its head here. This was not
Speaker 5: one of the big name referees necessarily, but uh, you know,
Speaker 5: this would seem to be as easy a case for
Speaker 5: some sort of appellate intervention as.
Speaker 4: Any you know. The they were egregious to like the
Speaker 4: head but was blatant. It was clear it was There
Speaker 4: was no like elbow behind it or punch behind it.
Speaker 4: It was just a frigging you know, early UFC headbutt
Speaker 4: right to the dome and that's not cool and that
Speaker 4: affected the fight, right, I mean the cut, the blood
Speaker 4: in the eyes. I've been there, when you're on your
Speaker 4: back and you got blood in your eyes, it's like
Speaker 4: someone just puts a red sheet over your eyes and
Speaker 4: you can't really do much. It gets slippery, of course,
Speaker 4: and and just gets worse and worse. The taste isn't
Speaker 4: great either, uh, but you know I was. It was unfortunate.
Speaker 4: And then Bob Munda is in a great position to
Speaker 4: hit a souplex, and Messiah is I was holding the
Speaker 4: cage just as clear as day.
Speaker 2: No file, no talk like.
Speaker 4: It was one of those things where as a fighter,
Speaker 4: you're in there and you're like, this is not my day.
Speaker 2: Everything is kind of going against him.
Speaker 4: And now I don't think bab Munda's did himself a
Speaker 4: whole lot of favor of some of the decision making
Speaker 4: he was he was doing out there, But you know,
Speaker 4: just those two things could have changed the fight completely, right,
Speaker 4: So it was unfortunate. And for those you know, maybe
Speaker 4: the referees are the officials that are kind of watching
Speaker 4: the teape. Ah, maybe they should have seen it a
Speaker 4: little clear or mentioned something. I don't know, but and
Speaker 4: I don't know if if they have any power in
Speaker 4: doing that, because I think the referee in cage has
Speaker 4: to see something or think he sees something. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it was a lot of things went wrong for Bob
Speaker 4: wonders that night.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a shame, And I think the worst part
Speaker 6: of the story for me. First off, the ref.
Speaker 11: Was completely at at a position that might not have
Speaker 11: been his fault, but he he was on the opposite side.
Speaker 6: I don't think he could see anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not the best angle because the cage.
Speaker 6: Is not the best angle for that. Yeah.
Speaker 11: But what the worst part to me is file a
Speaker 11: complaint and what's the Athletic Commission going to do about that?
Speaker 6: Want me to tell you?
Speaker 11: Yeah, there you go, absolutely fucking nothing. What purpose do
Speaker 11: you fucking served? You can't overturn a decision? I mean
Speaker 11: there's blatant stuff going on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that that to me is for.
Speaker 11: Look, the ref's at a position, he doesn't see it,
Speaker 11: but then the fighter knows it, so finally complain.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, no, you're right that oftentimes those are fruitless, but
Speaker 5: I think in this case, I think it might.
Speaker 6: But why should it be fruitless? John?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not suggesting it.
Speaker 11: No, No, I know, no, I know, I'm not saying
Speaker 11: I'm not I'm just saying, but why it's right? No?
Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's why in this particular case.
Speaker 11: Right, I mean, show me something, show me you can
Speaker 11: do your fucking job.
Speaker 6: How's that?
Speaker 11: Do your fucking job and analyze the tape and tell
Speaker 11: us what you think, because that'll be real interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: You know what, I'm not sure that there is a
Speaker 5: fighter as roundly respected and appreciated by his peers as
Speaker 5: Michael Kissa. And there was such an outpouring of love
Speaker 5: for this man. And I have a relationship with his
Speaker 5: mom from The Ultimate Fighter Live back in twenty twelve,
Speaker 5: and I was able to send her a message after
Speaker 5: the win. And it's really been amazing to watch him
Speaker 5: go about this mixed martial arts career. When he lost
Speaker 5: his father during filming of The Ultimate Fighter Live back
Speaker 5: in twenty immediately tied him to this fan base and
Speaker 5: he's just been dripping with class every step of the way.
Speaker 7: And so to see a guy like.
Speaker 5: That in his damn hometown get like the actual perfect
Speaker 5: send off Kenny, just incredible.
Speaker 2: It was perfect.
Speaker 4: You know, a Kisa deserves all of it because he's
Speaker 4: one of those guys that never, you know, compromised his
Speaker 4: values or anything like that.
Speaker 2: He was never disrespectful towards people.
Speaker 4: He did everything the right way and as a professional
Speaker 4: through and through and.
Speaker 2: It was great to see him go out like that.
Speaker 4: Now it's not always like that, right, you know, not
Speaker 4: every fighter says goodbye on a win or in their
Speaker 4: hometown or in that manner. And that's about as perfect
Speaker 4: as it gets for Kisa, and it was great to
Speaker 4: see him go out like that.
Speaker 2: He's always been a really cool, down.
Speaker 4: To earth guy, humble guy, hard working dude, and you know,
Speaker 4: one of those guys who really had to kind of
Speaker 4: work for it.
Speaker 2: He didn't have a whole it wasn't.
Speaker 4: Blessed with a ton of you know, crazy physicality and
Speaker 4: talent and all that stuff. He worked for everything he
Speaker 4: got in the sport. And you know that that was
Speaker 4: an awesome performance for him, and I am very happy
Speaker 4: for him.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, he's a guy John I liked From
Speaker 11: the first second I talked to him, I knew I
Speaker 11: would be, you know, friends with that guy forever. He's
Speaker 11: just a good dude, beautiful wife, met his mom back
Speaker 11: in that MacGregor incident, I believe, and.
Speaker 6: Just nice people. You got.
Speaker 11: I like when nice, nice things happen to nice people.
Speaker 11: And that's a perfect example of it. And again an
Speaker 11: example of a guy that never became champion, I had
Speaker 11: Korea and he's going to go on to be do
Speaker 11: great things in the broadcast stuff.
Speaker 6: And it's just a it's a feel good story, it
Speaker 6: really is.
Speaker 11: And the adversity he had to go through, I think
Speaker 11: everybody knows what pain neck could be like and uh
Speaker 11: just pats off to that guy's like again a class act.
Speaker 11: Since the second I met him.
Speaker 5: I know a lot of people were talking about Nico
Speaker 5: Price not getting a microphone.
Speaker 2: Has Nico retired?
Speaker 5: I was getting a lot of mentions on this on
Speaker 5: social media, and I was trying to remind fans that
Speaker 5: I was not actually there because they were saying that
Speaker 5: Annex screwed Nico Price. I was like, I'm with my
Speaker 5: fucking son, actually, but yeah, I don't know if we
Speaker 5: like I'm actually, you know, Hendrix Jin not watching kis alive.
Speaker 2: I'm with my son. But no, I don't know if
Speaker 2: Nego Price.
Speaker 5: Maybe some fans were suggesting he's stuck around and was
Speaker 5: hoping to maybe get an interview. I don't know, but
Speaker 5: I know a retirement package obviously was built for Michael Kiessa.
Speaker 5: But yes, we do, at least here want to acknowledge
Speaker 5: Nico Price. His contributions to the sport, and I've really
Speaker 5: enjoyed getting a no Nico price and always giving him
Speaker 5: a hard time about yes, whatever it is, you know,
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Speaker 6: Might well if I send somebody up to your house.
Speaker 5: That's fine, Then somebody to my house to pick up
Speaker 5: the coffee. That's fine, Cody sent me an email. Right,
Speaker 5: I didn't intend to go down this direction. Let's go
Speaker 5: four wide and welcome on Jason, and for this conversation,
Speaker 5: it's actually a perfect segue because he knows his entire business.
Speaker 6: The sane brother has joined us. Thank you dude.
Speaker 5: Well, so I'm I'm like, as soon as Ray got
Speaker 5: on the screen, he was like, there it.
Speaker 2: Is the UFC.
Speaker 5: How about that fucking fight card everybody? And I said
Speaker 5: that on one of my shows earlier, like all these fans, right,
Speaker 5: all this other hype around like the UFC. Yes, slow
Speaker 5: playing twenty twenty six, but like when we all see
Speaker 5: that blood like we love it and that finished one
Speaker 5: of the greatest finishes ever. But like Nico Price, let
Speaker 5: me just back up there for twenty one fight with Jeff.
Speaker 6: Wait, hold on, Jason, slow down.
Speaker 11: You're not You're not going to take John's job, but
Speaker 11: you're doing a great job. I hate to dirupt you,
Speaker 11: but keep telling sorry about that.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm trying. I'm trying to learn everything like an interview.
Speaker 5: But like Nico Price and with the utmost respect to
Speaker 5: the promotion and everyone running like twenty one fights in
Speaker 5: the UFC fought a murderer's row like his whole career.
Speaker 5: I think he you know, I mean, like he'd lost
Speaker 5: six of seven, four straight.
Speaker 2: But like he said he.
Speaker 5: Was retiring, comes out to him coming home right, takes
Speaker 5: the gloves off lingers in the octagon. It wasn't like
Speaker 5: coming out of nowhere, and like one little moment would
Speaker 5: have been good for a guy who's made a lot
Speaker 5: of moments, maybe more for his opponent than himself.
Speaker 12: Over Yeah, yeah, and perhaps so this guy perhaps you
Speaker 12: looking at your notes, No, you know, I know again,
Speaker 12: I wasn't there, so I don't know if they knew
Speaker 12: that Nico was retiring.
Speaker 5: Anyway, that's probably neither of that's there. But anyway, so
Speaker 5: Cody sent me he just wiped us up. Cody sent
Speaker 5: me an estimate of this like broadcast kit to set
Speaker 5: up at.
Speaker 2: Longos Gym, like everything.
Speaker 5: We would need a fucking soundboard, the micro phones, everything else.
Speaker 5: And I'm thinking, you know, am I gonna pay for
Speaker 5: this for long goos m m A so I can
Speaker 5: show up there and haze these people once a month.
Speaker 5: It's less than two g's ray, I just haven't less.
Speaker 6: Than two gs. That's that's nothing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well it's not I don't It's not my chim.
Speaker 6: That's all right.
Speaker 5: I'll pay for the fucking studio, Chicken for the Chicken
Speaker 5: pat the Chicken pay for anything. I mean, you have
Speaker 5: said the Chicken Pound is going to sponsor the Ray
Speaker 5: Longo minute, and they've done nothing of the soil.
Speaker 6: I got it, I forgot. I have to find a sponsor.
Speaker 6: But in all series, we're getting that done.
Speaker 5: I got eight cases of throwing sport coffee and as
Speaker 5: soon as you have a reasonable Bros. Broadcast set up.
Speaker 5: I know Steve Lee is like the greatest manager in
Speaker 5: M M. A. Jim history, but like maybe he could
Speaker 5: help facilitate something.
Speaker 6: He's got all the equipment. You gotta check with Cody.
Speaker 6: We have Steve. Yeah, we had somebody bring down equipment.
Speaker 5: Hey John, why don't you just run point on the
Speaker 5: whole opos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, text you Ray. I got nothing else going on.
Speaker 2: Something else.
Speaker 5: I want to ask you guys about blood in mixed
Speaker 5: martial arts, right because Kenny Florian, who three times Challenge
Speaker 5: for UFC Gold, has been involved in a lot of
Speaker 5: bloody fights in his day. His fight against Sean Shirk
Speaker 5: one of the bloodiest in UFC history. Kenny was tasting
Speaker 5: blood for weeks upon weeks, and I think it's still
Speaker 5: actually in the tentacles of his eyes, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: He also bludgeoned and bloodied Clay.
Speaker 5: Now, my twin brother Jason ray who is here and
Speaker 5: I'm gonna lead with Raymond on this, absolutely loves the
Speaker 5: blood in MMA. There are certain people who need to
Speaker 5: turn away. There are other people who can't deal with
Speaker 5: the broken bones. Most of the responses I got to
Speaker 5: this question about blood and Mma said, it's much easier
Speaker 5: for me to look at a blood soaked canvas then
Speaker 5: to have seen that Macy Barber replay several times over So,
Speaker 5: Ray when you see the canvas get painted with blood
Speaker 5: early and that's the visual for the rest of the
Speaker 5: night overall.
Speaker 7: How do you feel about spilt blood in m ms?
Speaker 6: Uh, not really different.
Speaker 11: I don't know part of the game, but it doesn't
Speaker 11: you know, you're not I'd rather look at the blood
Speaker 11: than the Macy Babit thing.
Speaker 6: You can probably in that category, you know. I think
Speaker 6: it's part of why don't I see it in the gym?
Speaker 6: I see it all over the place awaybe you just
Speaker 6: get used to it. It's nothing, nothing new.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I guess you know, heading in there, it's
Speaker 4: it's kind of nasty. Like if if I'm not fighting,
Speaker 4: if I'm not in that mindset, I think it's gross.
Speaker 2: You know. Like I saw that.
Speaker 4: Huge patch of blood taking up, you know, one corner
Speaker 4: of the octagon. I'm like, damn, dude, Like that's a
Speaker 4: lot of staff right there.
Speaker 2: But uh, you know when you're.
Speaker 4: In there, when I'm just like, all right, well I'm here,
Speaker 4: there's nothing I could do, you know. I remember after that,
Speaker 4: after that shirt fight, I found I took two showers.
Speaker 4: I took one backstage, you know, after the fight, and
Speaker 4: I took another one when I got back to the hotel.
Speaker 4: Because that's how much blood I had, like in my
Speaker 4: hair caked, I like dreads of blood in my hair.
Speaker 4: The next morning, I woke up, I had blood in
Speaker 4: my eyelids. I had blood in my ears. I went
Speaker 4: to scratch my ear and blood was still there.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is disgusting. I have another pig that's
Speaker 2: blood like this.
Speaker 4: You know, this could be beat but uh yeah, man,
Speaker 4: it's crazy, but it's a part of the sport. I
Speaker 4: don't like the dislocated or broken boats Like I don't
Speaker 4: like looking at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Chris's leg.
Speaker 6: What was like, I don't want to see.
Speaker 4: I'll see it once because I'm seeing it live and
Speaker 4: I don't want to see that again.
Speaker 2: It's nasty.
Speaker 5: See Kenny's a fighter, raise a coach, so there with John,
Speaker 5: but we're more fans like I love it all the
Speaker 5: fucking like Hematomas, like give me all of that dislocated limbs.
Speaker 5: And Nacho Nacio bamanas it was his blood. He's a
Speaker 5: friend of mine, some of a close friend of mine.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: Interestingly enough, I always say I live in a fight home.
Speaker 5: I have daughters age nine and twelve. Fights are on.
Speaker 5: I turn it on for Nacho's fight, and I have
Speaker 5: to be like girls, all right that one Maybe girls
Speaker 5: can go to your dance in the other room.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, John, Yes exactly.
Speaker 5: So that's actually why I brought this question to social
Speaker 5: media was because I was watching the Nacho fight with
Speaker 5: my kids and my son couldn't turn away, you know,
Speaker 5: fascinated by all the redness, and my daughter Riley left
Speaker 5: the room. One comment here, Jay at screenplay, I don't
Speaker 5: like it, but I know it will sometimes happen. I
Speaker 5: was way more concerned with the amount of times viewers
Speaker 5: were shown an unconscious Macy Barber, not focusing, not being present.
Speaker 5: There are a lot of people also who talk about
Speaker 5: that there is a cleaning agent that you could use.
Speaker 5: Don't you think that if the UF could get all
Speaker 5: of that blood out of there in an instant that
Speaker 5: they would or No, Well, I think at one point
Speaker 5: DC on the broadcast or someone said, like a being
Speaker 5: someone coming in to the fights a little bit late,
Speaker 5: and you see this red canvas. It's absolutely incredible. I
Speaker 5: really like all of it. It's part of the drama
Speaker 5: of the sport. It's part of what these fighters risk
Speaker 5: going in there. But what I'll tell you about the
Speaker 5: Nacho fight that was really interesting is like, I'm screaming
Speaker 5: at my TV. I didn't see the fence grab. I
Speaker 5: wanted Nacho to keep this thing on the feet, you know,
Speaker 5: the whole time. So I'm screaming at the TV. And
Speaker 5: then the blood camps. It was a really unique moment
Speaker 5: in the home. But John, give me all the blood,
Speaker 5: even though it was Nacho's too.
Speaker 11: Yeah, John, I tell you years ago when I would
Speaker 11: take my fighters to my partner, Lou Nigli has place
Speaker 11: in Brooklyn. He had a ring with a white canvas
Speaker 11: just full of blood.
Speaker 1: It was like character like you write.
Speaker 11: You know, if a guy really wants to fight, you
Speaker 11: got to go into those dirty Not that his was dirty,
Speaker 11: but the boxing gyms were brutal.
Speaker 6: They would dirty as.
Speaker 11: Hell, and that you almost tested if your guy really
Speaker 11: had the stomach to fight, just by getting him in
Speaker 11: there at a long time.
Speaker 2: Anyway, grapes and your cuts in there make it strong.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Yeah, I mean I got I got fans
Speaker 5: saying yep, john ANX the pussy for even asking this question,
Speaker 5: And that's what that's true.
Speaker 2: That could be true as well, that is yeah, No.
Speaker 5: I mean, I definitely have some tendencies that would probably
Speaker 5: classify me as a right. Would you rather answer a
Speaker 5: few more questions or go to the gym?
Speaker 11: I gotta get out of it, But let me just
Speaker 11: say a couple of things before I go. First off,
Speaker 11: hats off to Demetrius Johnson that that was awesome.
Speaker 6: What the UFC did? I want? I don't want that
Speaker 6: to go. I think that guy.
Speaker 11: By far the best that put everything together even a
Speaker 11: while ago, you know, and he goes back a little bit,
Speaker 11: you know, and we don't even see that today.
Speaker 6: As much. But hats off the Demetrius Johnson. I thought
Speaker 6: the UFC knocked it out of the park. They did
Speaker 6: the right thing.
Speaker 11: Was great to see, Uh, Adrian Janna's total fucking screw man.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't I don't know. I mean, why
Speaker 6: would you do that today? Kid man? What a beautiful fight.
Speaker 11: He fort like he fought a really intelligent, smart fight
Speaker 11: after being out for a while. I just that shit
Speaker 11: just drives me fucking crazy that these guys have no idea.
Speaker 6: I mean this Wholetown's decision is hometown decisions. Then there's that,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 5: But Rickney Simone I thought almost got saved by the
Speaker 5: bell horn, which you're not supposed to be able to
Speaker 5: be saved by. You know, he was able to get
Speaker 5: his wits about him. I was thinking about Ricky Simone
Speaker 5: and Rob Wallace Willy back in the y.
Speaker 6: That guy's been gifted to victories or ties or what for.
Speaker 11: He got lucky. But anyway, I've had to walk to
Speaker 11: Adrian hang in there. I think he's a great fighter.
Speaker 11: Was great to see him get back on track. Unfortunately
Speaker 11: he's got to put up with this bullshit now, but
Speaker 11: hopefully he gets through it and last, but not least,
Speaker 11: before I go. Everybody watched Poomi's fight Puomi the Cooder.
Speaker 11: Another outstanding performance. Go to Uriah Hall's a one combat
Speaker 11: watched fight.
Speaker 2: When is that you're out of favor?
Speaker 6: Yeah? That was Friday night.
Speaker 2: Oh it just happened. This pastor is yeah.
Speaker 6: Really, congrats to him. Another vigua happened. The kids got
Speaker 6: five belts?
Speaker 7: What happened on Friday Nights? We won the A one belt?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How did you win? Decision finished?
Speaker 6: He did one by the decision, but he was going
Speaker 6: for He did knock them down a couple.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just I I hate usually I'm on top
Speaker 2: of my I'm not. I'm sitting here looking at ray.
Speaker 5: Would you rather have five beastings at once or twenty five?
Speaker 2: Mosquito? And I didn't even know the poony fought, So
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: I love Poomie. I'm president of the goddamned Bank Club
Speaker 5: and I didn't even know it.
Speaker 6: Five belts, five Yeah, five belts.
Speaker 4: I guarantee you on the eleventh bet belt, he'll get
Speaker 4: into the US.
Speaker 6: I got to run, I gotta get out of it.
Speaker 6: But I love you guys. Jason loved to Handdode.
Speaker 10: Can you keep that?
Speaker 6: Can you keep your brother in check? Please? Nope? Is
Speaker 6: that possible?
Speaker 2: Impossible? Much love, Raymond, I'll talk to you.
Speaker 5: Ray Long comitted every week here on the Anakin Flooring Podcast.
Speaker 5: We pushed Ray back a few minutes for Platinum Mike Perry,
Speaker 5: So yeah, he touched on a few different things quickly.
Speaker 5: I guess if we could just spend a minute here.
Speaker 5: We had Demitrius Johnson on the Ankin Flooring Podcast a
Speaker 5: few weeks ago. George Saint Pierre and Demetrius Johnson, I
Speaker 5: think are the only two names that are on every
Speaker 5: unanimous MMA Mount Rushmore, Kenny. Some people don't include John
Speaker 5: Jones and Anderson Silva because of some extracurricular transgressions.
Speaker 7: Right, but DJ Man.
Speaker 5: Right, for a lot of people, this is the greatest
Speaker 5: MMA fighter of all time, and there's certainly a case
Speaker 5: to be made, and he's going into the UFC Hall
Speaker 5: of Fame this summer.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely brilliant mixed martial artist who was able to do
Speaker 4: it all and do it all at an extremely high level,
Speaker 4: and when he was at his best, there was no
Speaker 4: competition for him. He was just that good. So and
Speaker 4: I think that you know, if you were a smart
Speaker 4: mixed martial artist coming up, that was the guy that
Speaker 4: you were studying to learn from of how to put
Speaker 4: it all together. He was constantly in search of getting better.
Speaker 4: And yeah, one of the greatest mixed martial artists that
Speaker 4: I have ever seen. Uh And it was great to
Speaker 4: see him get inducted. Man absolutely deserved and to see
Speaker 4: that big smile on his face and him there with
Speaker 4: his beautiful family was super super cool man Jay.
Speaker 5: One of the best things to happen to the UFC
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty six has been the twenty five thousand
Speaker 5: dollars finish bonus. So at least for fighters like case
Speaker 5: O'Neil and Terence McKinny, maybe you're not sitting in the
Speaker 5: back hoping that a bunch of decisions follow your fight.
Speaker 5: And every fight on the main car was obviously a
Speaker 5: finish right Terrence McKinny in twenty four seconds, Casey O'Neil
Speaker 5: huge win in three minutes and eleven seconds. But the
Speaker 5: one hundred thousand dollars bonuses go to Joe Piper and
Speaker 5: Alexa Grosso. Your boy Nacho gets one hundred thousand dollars bonus.
Speaker 5: Perhaps that softens the blow a little bit as his
Speaker 5: faith does. You know what, though, It's interesting because I
Speaker 5: talked a lot about this earlier on a show about
Speaker 5: Ignacio Bob Mundes John and not in the context of
Speaker 5: your sort of statement about it's a two year set
Speaker 5: back if you lose in a championship opportunities there because
Speaker 5: Nacho wasn't there, But he loses to Physiv back in July,
Speaker 5: and now he loses here regardless of circumstance, fence grab,
Speaker 5: whatever it is.
Speaker 2: So now it's back to back losses for Nacho.
Speaker 5: For a guy in Bala Muhammad's camp, you know, Bloso,
Speaker 5: his mentor that he wants to sort of you know,
Speaker 5: on a championship trajectory perhaps or championship track, trying to
Speaker 5: do that at one fifty five with back to back losses,
Speaker 5: how many fights does he have to win now to
Speaker 5: win to day?
Speaker 2: We have five straight fights to sniff a champions or
Speaker 2: whatever I mean.
Speaker 5: So now a guy who's on the cusp of the
Speaker 5: rankings or whatever it is, takes a fight against.
Speaker 2: Phaziv and Physige's backyard.
Speaker 5: If Physiv was fucking ready that night, right, and and
Speaker 5: now this result as a minus three hundred favorite or
Speaker 5: whatever it is. It's a really tough result, regardless of
Speaker 5: one hundred grand in the bank for his second kid
Speaker 5: just arrived. Yeah, Kenny, that's really an interesting point, right
Speaker 5: that what you think about out he got the absolute
Speaker 5: best of Rafael Fhazeve and Azerbaijan, and maybe he doesn't
Speaker 5: beat physique more than once or twice out of ten times.
Speaker 5: But a very challenging stylistic matchup four Nacho and then this, right,
Speaker 5: it might take him five wins just to get back
Speaker 5: to the top fifteen.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, this division is absolutely insane, and you know, timing
Speaker 4: is everything. Fighting the guys at the right time or
Speaker 4: the wrong time, you know, is a difficult thing in
Speaker 4: this sport and it can change a lot of things.
Speaker 4: So yeah, unfortunate result there for Ignacio. And again I
Speaker 4: just keep going back to those damn files during the fight.
Speaker 4: But he'll be back.
Speaker 5: He'll be back, yeah, John, And I just have to
Speaker 5: say I watch most of the show, but Alexa fucking
Speaker 5: h Rosso, Like, I just have to say, right, and
Speaker 5: I said earlier on a program I was like, interestingly
Speaker 5: enough in her career, I feel like at certain times
Speaker 5: she's been slightly overrated and at times been massively underrated,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean in a weird way, and
Speaker 5: like the three fights with Schevchenko, it's just been sort
Speaker 5: of an inching career. But the ferocity with which she
Speaker 5: finished that fight, you know, as an underdog right back
Speaker 5: in the championship mix, as I see her sitting next
Speaker 5: and doing in the broadcasting booth like bowed across.
Speaker 2: I mean like I'm just blown away at that performance.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what that want. And yeah, I mean back
Speaker 5: in a big way. Doesn't even begin to describe it.
Speaker 5: And not as though her legacy Jay needed validation, but
Speaker 5: look who she just beat as an underdog, Macy Barber
Speaker 5: won seven consecutive fights, and to beat her like that,
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Speaker 5: Fight Night in Moykano versus Duncan beckins this weekend, Kenny.
Speaker 7: The first pick of three on the main card is
Speaker 7: it banhamweight.
Speaker 5: And I'm having a hard time pronouncing not ethan Ewing
Speaker 5: but Halfayel s Stavam or stay bomb or s day
Speaker 5: bond or stay bomb. So I don't know, guys, if
Speaker 5: it's b's or bees or n's or ends. I have
Speaker 5: the file for you, but it's ethan Ewing minus one
Speaker 5: forty eight and the Brazilian Halfayel StEB bomb is plus
Speaker 5: one twenty four. Cody, you can you can trigger that
Speaker 5: file at any time.
Speaker 10: My name is Halfayel, Makupa is Stibham.
Speaker 2: My name is half a l.
Speaker 4: Makupa is Stibham, StEB them, StEB them.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, okay.
Speaker 5: So this would be a situation where I would voice
Speaker 5: that feature for the UFC and then almost follow it
Speaker 5: up with like, hey, these are my phonetics, just so
Speaker 5: you know, because I've listed the file one hundred times. Anyway,
Speaker 5: ethan Ewing's minus one forty eight and the opponent plus
Speaker 5: one twenty four. Part of the reason we're picking this
Speaker 5: fight is because we're wildly curious to see exactly what
Speaker 5: Ethan Ewing is. I mean, he started his pro career
Speaker 5: zero and two, he's won nine in a row, steps
Speaker 5: up on the shortest of notice to beat Malcolm well
Speaker 5: Maker at Madison Square Garden, Kenny. He's less than minus
Speaker 5: one fifty this weekend.
Speaker 6: Your thoughts.
Speaker 2: See, I'm still disturbed by the spelling of Ethan. I
Speaker 2: don't like it. I don't like that spelling. But no,
Speaker 2: this kid can fight. Man, he really can't fight.
Speaker 4: You know, he looks like he's older, but he's only
Speaker 4: twenty eight years old. But you know, has a bunch
Speaker 4: of finishes out of those nine wins.
Speaker 2: And the way he puts it all together.
Speaker 4: We were just talking about Demetrius Johnson and how he
Speaker 4: puts it all together. Ethan Ewing knows how to do
Speaker 4: that as well. I think he's a sophisticated striker, really
Speaker 4: knows how to make you miss and then he counters
Speaker 4: with not just one shot, two three, four strikes are
Speaker 4: coming at you right after that. And the way that
Speaker 4: he beat well Maker, I think is what makes it
Speaker 4: so impressive. He is a sophisticated striker, He is an
Speaker 4: intelligent fighter, and I think that, Uh, he's got to
Speaker 4: be careful on the ground with Istebam. But because Stepham's
Speaker 4: so good at taking the back, he puts that body lock,
Speaker 4: knows how to control and beat you up from that
Speaker 4: position and slows you down. So for me, I think
Speaker 4: it comes down to you Ing stopping the takedowns, keeping
Speaker 4: him at a distance, and continuing to fire away with
Speaker 4: those combinations and take away the confidence.
Speaker 2: Early of the Brazilian fighter. But I like Ethan in
Speaker 2: the spot man.
Speaker 4: I think he's a fantastic fighter and maybe doesn't have
Speaker 4: the same kind of record as this very good fighter
Speaker 4: from Novouno.
Speaker 2: But I like you Jay.
Speaker 5: I can see the headline on MMA junking. Kenny Florian
Speaker 5: says Ethan Ewing has an old face, right, I mean
Speaker 5: saying that he's got an old face, right, that he
Speaker 5: doesn't look twenty eight. You know, it's like with that
Speaker 5: am at the end, it feels like people that's a
Speaker 5: Valentine's Day with an M instead of an MM. Is
Speaker 5: Kenny mispronouncing this guy's name? Hey, I you know, I
Speaker 5: never like betting against a guy who's undefeated, but it'll
Speaker 5: be interesting to see if this is one of the
Speaker 5: bets when Kenny does place your bets, because I have
Speaker 5: a feeling it won't be.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Stebam is fourteen to oh three and zero in the UFC,
Speaker 5: but if tapology is accurate, he did missweight in two
Speaker 5: of those three UFC wins. All right co main event
Speaker 5: as showweight seventh rank Tabitha be Ricci baby Shark minus
Speaker 5: one fifteen number three Viena kakaraj Doba minus one oh
Speaker 5: five reaches won three or four Ken Flow enters this
Speaker 5: spot following the biggest win of her career stoppage of
Speaker 5: the Man of Hebas last July, and Abu Dabi now
Speaker 5: taking on the recent world title challenger Kaka ra.
Speaker 2: Vena Chingi Dova. Ken Flow go Ahead.
Speaker 4: This was a tricky one for me, and I felt
Speaker 4: like it got more confusing when it went back and
Speaker 4: watched their fights.
Speaker 2: I'm like, who the hell is gonna win this?
Speaker 4: You know, Gingidoba I think is probably the better grappler overall.
Speaker 2: I think where she.
Speaker 4: May struggle, however, is with her takedown game. Ricci has,
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of momentum going her way right now.
Speaker 4: I think she's gaining confidence as a result. I think
Speaker 4: she's certainly gonna be the better striker, the sharper striker.
Speaker 4: She just can't let the pressure of Gingidoba get to her,
Speaker 4: you know, because you know Genidoba's going to try to
Speaker 4: back her up, try to bullyer, you know, make the fight,
Speaker 4: you know, a close one, try to get up against
Speaker 4: the cage, all that stuff and.
Speaker 2: Make it ugly.
Speaker 4: But Ricchie's good on the ground as well. I don't
Speaker 4: know if she's as good as Gingidoba, but I do
Speaker 4: like her overall here. I think that, you know, this
Speaker 4: momentum has served her well. I think that she's going
Speaker 4: to be the faster, better striker. But I think it
Speaker 4: all comes down to how good her wrestling defense is
Speaker 4: if it holds up.
Speaker 2: I like her in this spot to win by decision. Jay.
Speaker 5: Someone in the comments said, you look like former Massachusetts
Speaker 5: Governor John Carry and.
Speaker 2: I can't come back from that now.
Speaker 5: I know it's the funnies shit ever, because my hair
Speaker 5: is a little long and either shaded, and I'm almost
Speaker 5: fucking fifty.
Speaker 6: It's hilarious.
Speaker 5: Yeah, John, for those of you that don't know, and Cody,
Speaker 5: you could chase a fucking image, right, lazy bet m
Speaker 5: that's fucking hilarious, and I just don't even know what
Speaker 5: to say. It's like it's like it's I'm kind of offend,
Speaker 5: but it's kind of compliment. You know, I'm offended. As
Speaker 5: your twin brother. I'm gonna go follow lazy bed m
Speaker 5: m a as you should. But hey, I will Governor
Speaker 5: John Kerry. But yeah, Jay, like you need to go
Speaker 5: see Barbara to the Stars, Johnny like yesterday.
Speaker 2: Huh, well you don't.
Speaker 5: We got a busy week next week with the PG
Speaker 5: have playoff and fucking dirty boxing. There are hats that
Speaker 5: team I could get a little bro No, I'm talking
Speaker 5: for our bar Mitzvah or benet mitzvah. The theme right
Speaker 5: like you have a theme was hats you're just gonna
Speaker 5: put it. I can put this fucking Drake may helmet
Speaker 5: on that you gave me.
Speaker 2: I'd like you to maybe for you know, I will
Speaker 2: put one.
Speaker 5: Thousand dollars at play and place your bets, but quickly
Speaker 5: on this comine event because that happens to be part
Speaker 5: of what I'll get into later. I just again, I
Speaker 5: like the younger fighter, sort of someone who I believe
Speaker 5: is on their way up the mountain, versus someone who
Speaker 5: I think is on the other side, and anyone who
Speaker 5: would listen.
Speaker 2: I don't bet MMA, but anyone who would listen to me.
Speaker 5: Last week in Vegas for PGF, I said, I'm looking
Speaker 5: at Joe Pifer plus money here. Look Israel very well
Speaker 5: could have won the fight with leg kick. Maybe keep
Speaker 5: kicking the leg. But I love Richie the spot coming
Speaker 5: off that knockout against that man a he bus last
Speaker 5: him out. I just Jenji Doba had write the opportunity
Speaker 5: last time out but lost to Mackenzie Dern. I just
Speaker 5: thirty seven years old versus thirty one. Ricchi's sort of
Speaker 5: very been with Callum Walsh for a long time, who's
Speaker 5: very much embedded in this whole UFC world. I just
Speaker 5: think Tabitha that's the right time for her and a
Speaker 5: pick them fight. I like her quite a bit. Couldn't
Speaker 5: find a prop by decision, Kenny, I hear you there.
Speaker 5: I just I don't you know. I would think Jenji
Speaker 5: Domba would need to submit Richie and I don't see
Speaker 5: that happen. Yeah, Jay, you were certainly on Joe Pifer.
Speaker 5: He wouldn't leave me alone on Saturday, right, I'm writ
Speaker 5: and back like yeah, I just think is he sort
Speaker 5: of back up against the proverbial wall.
Speaker 7: I expect his best. I love Pifer two.
Speaker 5: I don't know what to tell you in Jay's just
Speaker 5: like Pifer plus money due What am I missing?
Speaker 2: Anyway?
Speaker 5: Let us get to the main event at lightweight hits
Speaker 5: two American Top Team fighters against one another. Chris Duncan
Speaker 5: minus one ninety two, tenth ranked Hanato Moikano is plus
Speaker 5: one sixty. Kenny Moykano gets the red quarter. He has
Speaker 5: dropped two in a row since the four fight Serge
Speaker 5: Short Notice title fight against Islama Kasha, more recently the
Speaker 5: lost to Banil Daryush. Now he draws the streaking Scott
Speaker 5: Chris Duncan, who has his own four fight winning streak
Speaker 5: in to who do you love?
Speaker 2: In the main event ken.
Speaker 4: Play Yeah, two team two eighths going at it. Both
Speaker 4: very good grapplers. You know, I think that Moykano has
Speaker 4: faced the tougher competition, no question about that. As you
Speaker 4: go back and watch their fights, has some really good wins.
Speaker 4: And you know, I think that where he may suffer
Speaker 4: in this fight is with the athleticism of Duncan. I
Speaker 4: think Duncan's the better athlete, and I think that matters
Speaker 4: because I think Moykano's best chance at winning this fight,
Speaker 4: although he's got some power, is on the ground if
Speaker 4: he's able to take Duncan down, and I think he
Speaker 4: can do that, and I think he'll be a major problem.
Speaker 4: We saw what he did against Ben Wall, said Deny,
Speaker 4: when he gets on top, I mean he he's.
Speaker 2: A very good grappler.
Speaker 4: I just think against Duncan, taking him down, keeping the
Speaker 4: position there, I think is gonna be tough. I think
Speaker 4: he's gonna be slower than Duncan, which can post some
Speaker 4: problems for him. So I like Duncan here, and this
Speaker 4: guy has proven his toughness time and time again. I
Speaker 4: don't think he wants to brawl too much with someone
Speaker 4: like moy Kano, but if he needs to, I like
Speaker 4: his chances there as well.
Speaker 7: All right, Ja, do you have anything on the main
Speaker 7: event or can I get to play Schurettes?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: Get yeah, let's move it on.
Speaker 7: I guess you're probably gonna place a bit.
Speaker 5: But I like my guy money Moi Kano, So a
Speaker 5: little bias there, yeah, or bias that's why I didn't
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Speaker 7: All right, I'm.
Speaker 5: Gonna update the results. So Kenny was up two American
Speaker 5: dollars and three cents going. So you did hit on
Speaker 5: Alexa Grosso at plus one forty five. You lost a
Speaker 5: straight on Ignacio Oba Mondez, no action on the Ricky
Speaker 5: Simone Mansoor Abdul Malick was a loss, and the straight
Speaker 5: on Israelia SIGNI was a lot. Not too much damage sustained.
Speaker 5: Minus three oh seven ninety seven is your year to
Speaker 5: date figure. Jason Anik has not been betting every card.
Speaker 5: He is plus eight hundred dollars on the year Ken Flow,
Speaker 5: you get one thousand bucks UFC Fight Night Mooykanto versus Duncan.
Speaker 7: The floor is yours.
Speaker 2: I got a little surprise for you, Jay. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go ewing here.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go three hundred buckeroos on Ethan Ewing if
Speaker 4: when ewing and Uh, I.
Speaker 2: Give you another seven hundred on our girl, Tabitha Ricci.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, Kenny, It'll be interesting to see who tails you.
Speaker 5: I'm not necessarily relevant, but my I was gonna put
Speaker 5: a whole thousand on Tabitha Ricci.
Speaker 2: Wow. But ultimately I'm gonna look at some props.
Speaker 5: Tabitha by decision I couldn't find an odd but Ricci
Speaker 5: by decision I think jen Gi Dopa is tough enough
Speaker 5: not to necessarily get put out in three rounds, so
Speaker 5: you'll get a more favorable number than the minus one
Speaker 5: fifteen if you look at by decision. I also might
Speaker 5: peek at Tabitha with a later round knockout, perhaps like
Speaker 5: the third round knock or whatever. But I just loved
Speaker 5: Tabitha Ricci in this spot despite being a fan of
Speaker 5: John g.
Speaker 2: Doba and John, thank you for not playing the file and.
Speaker 7: Cody, can you probably play the file again, because.
Speaker 5: Wait, are you asking him to No, I'm shocked. You're
Speaker 5: like a Cody since was fighting this.
Speaker 2: Don't funk out of here, and I'm repping the Wolf.
Speaker 2: I'm repping my guy Wolf.
Speaker 5: Okay, Rob Perez, Dirty Boxing April tenth, and those were
Speaker 5: anyone who's going to be in Miami though for the
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Speaker 5: Miami the night before, tickets won't be as expensive as
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Speaker 2: Knight Center.
Speaker 5: Whatever come through anyway, nicely done, We will see that.
Speaker 2: For John must be for you. I didn't call for it.
Speaker 2: I didn't put it in the rundown, Jane. Nicely done.
Speaker 5: And yes, those propositions on ten Tabatha Ricci oftentimes not
Speaker 5: available until later in the week. We tape on a Monday,
Speaker 5: so uh a thousand bucks on Reach. We'll see how
Speaker 5: it goes. Jay, Uh go get a haircut.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say Jay's been hot, so that gives
Speaker 4: me a little more confidence on my Ricci picks.
Speaker 7: He has had a good You still can't afford a haircut.
Speaker 2: But I think I'm gonna get better hair the top.
Speaker 5: That's all right now that you fix it a little bit,
Speaker 5: but better than John because.
Speaker 2: You have so many female viewers.
Speaker 5: Right, get the fuck out of here, Mail, Yeah, you
Speaker 5: know you're kicked me out to your little clothes, you know,
Speaker 5: go ahead, kick.
Speaker 2: Me out and do a little fucking side by side.
Speaker 7: Right, Cody, can you get him out of here?
Speaker 5: Thank you Jay at Boston and on Instagram if you
Speaker 5: want more of that noise. Thank you to our guest
Speaker 5: today Joe Pifer, Platinum, Mike Perry, Ray Longo, Jason Andik.
Speaker 5: Thanks to our producer Cody Merrill, the great Nathan Ronson
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Speaker 5: date upon which we bring you our UFC three twenty
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Speaker 5: we look forward to bringing all of that your way.
Speaker 5: With that for Kenny Flora and everybody behind the scenes, John,
Speaker 5: I am saying so long for now we will talk to
Speaker 5: you in about eight days. Until then, I have a
Speaker 5: great day and a better evening. Go get yourself a
Speaker 5: big Mac.
Speaker 2: You'll later