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Speaker 5: Oh, right back in the saddle and always the pleasure

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Speaker 5: Monday too, your March thirtieth, twenty twenty six. It is

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Speaker 5: episode five eighty nine of the an Florian Podcast powered

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Speaker 5: by All the Smoke Fight. Kenny, are you wearing that

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Speaker 5: Celtic Kelly Green? Because you watched the Boston Celtics beat

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Speaker 5: the Charlotte Hornets live in person last night?

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe we did get a win. It was a

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Speaker 4: good game. Uh taitum was hot. Yeah, and yeah it

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Speaker 4: was my first time, like the redid the Charlotte yet, dude,

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Speaker 4: it's nice. Yeah, dude, I think half or more of

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Speaker 4: the audience there were Celtics fans, so that was pretty funny.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Boston sports fans travel well.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, good to hear that you were going to

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Speaker 5: to our good friend, the Boston Celtics head coach Joe Mizula.

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Speaker 5: That's right, yeah, who incidentally texted me on Saturday asking

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Speaker 5: me who I thought was going to win the fight

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Speaker 5: between Isra Lota Sonia and Joe Pifer. And that's awesome,

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Speaker 5: an amazing main event, an amazing card. What a weekend

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Speaker 5: for the UFC in Seattle. Order restored is my thesis

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Speaker 5: statement on the weekend. We will get into all of that.

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Speaker 5: The man of the weekend was Joe Pifer, who was

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Speaker 5: scheduled to join us here live in a few minutes.

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Speaker 5: We will also talk to Platinum Mike Perry at the

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Speaker 7: Of course, on May sixteenth.

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Speaker 5: Ray Longo will join us as he always does, and

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Speaker 5: we will also look ahead at the end of the

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Speaker 5: show to UFC Fight Night Moikano versus Duncan, a couple

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Speaker 5: of American Top team teammates, the Men on the Marquee

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Speaker 5: at the UFC Apex This weekend, and thanks to everybody

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Speaker 5: for joining us live. Some people in the comments suggesting

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Speaker 5: old time slot eleven am Eastern. We're right now noon

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Speaker 5: moved it back so that Ray Longo could get his

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Speaker 5: beauty sleep. But a lot to get into. Massive weekend

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Speaker 5: for the UFC in the Pacific Northwest. Get to headlines, headlines.

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Speaker 3: It's time for headlines.

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Speaker 1: I have some very urgent and important breaking new headlines

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Speaker 1: on the John and Kenny scions contest.

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Speaker 7: Well, what makes mixed martial arts great.

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Speaker 5: Is when you have former champions like Israelata Sonia willing

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Speaker 5: to give opportunities to up and coming contenders like Joe Pifer.

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Speaker 5: The danger factor in this matchup certainly was not lost

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Speaker 5: on is He, but given where he was at this

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Speaker 5: line against a contender with a lot of skills and

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Speaker 5: a lot of different departments. Kenny and Joe Pifer gets

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Speaker 5: it done. The TKO comes at the four eighteen mark

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Speaker 5: of round two, and not without some adversity.

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Speaker 7: For Joe, he had to battle through some things.

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Speaker 5: Certainly is he realized some success on the feet, but

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Speaker 4: I thought it was a really impressive performance, especially given

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Speaker 4: what you talked about how he did have to battle

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Speaker 4: We've seen him put a lot of guys to sleep

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Speaker 4: They were doing a lot of damage to Izzy, and

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Speaker 4: I'm not totally certain that out of Sonya's reaction time

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Speaker 5: Crazy to think about what a difference a year makes

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Speaker 5: They say, God will give you what you can handle,

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Speaker 5: And certainly at times I think Joe Pifer, certainly in

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Speaker 5: And we were saying before he came on, It's crazy

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Speaker 5: So there was a time when I suggested that Izzy

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Speaker 5: I know you're still probably marinating it and digesting the result.

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Speaker 1: You know, John, it's a it's a weird feeling.

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Speaker 8: Like I was just laughing and I told my girl,

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Speaker 1: Thankful. What a beautiful weekend to fight somebody like Israel.

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Speaker 5: So it's interesting because I'm a fan first, right, and

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Speaker 1: I think I just changed.

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Speaker 8: I rewired my brain with my faith to change what

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Speaker 8: And the way I envisioned it was, Hey, you want

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Speaker 6: How I was.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what an incredible weekend for Joe Pifer. We got

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Speaker 5: people don't understand just how well versus you are. Kenny does,

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Speaker 1: I think it's just good. I mean, I think it's everywhere.

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Speaker 9: Possibly, you can do anything. There's just repercussion. Look, I mean,

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Speaker 9: look like I consider it easy to go. But he's

442
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Speaker 9: lost to you know, every dog has his day.

443
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Speaker 8: I don't think anybody who's ever even left the sport

444
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 8: undefeated wouldn't have gotten their day either. It's just a

445
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 8: matter of when you get out. So yeah, I think

446
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 8: I can approve everywhere. I think I I think I should.

447
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 8: I have real, real fast hands, and I think people

448
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 8: have just made that. It's just the only time I

449
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 8: get big and slow is when I'm sitting there and

450
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,439
Speaker 8: I'm just trying to explode your head with one shot.

451
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 1: So I got to be a little bit more disciplined

452
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 1: with that.

453
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Speaker 8: The cat kicks hurt, but like and I know I

454
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 8: gave a reaction because he would hit them good like

455
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 8: where I was like kind of off balance, but like,

456
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 8: I wasn't immobilized.

457
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: If you see the fight and you watch it back,

458
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: I still was bouncing.

459
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 8: Definitely hurt, but it wasn't something that was like crippling

460
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Speaker 8: me like the jack one did. Because I checked a

461
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Speaker 8: few of them. It's very subtle, but like I checked

462
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 8: the first one, and I know that hurt. It had

463
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Speaker 8: to have hurt him because he I don't know, maybe

464
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Speaker 8: it didn't.

465
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Speaker 1: He kept throwing it, but I was like, damn, bro,

466
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: stop throwing it.

467
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 8: Like but uh, yeah, I can improve everywhere, man, I

468
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:50,199
Speaker 8: can improve everywhere.

469
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a sponge. I think that the coaches love

470
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 1: that about me, you know.

471
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Speaker 8: I think they also had some question marks in the head,

472
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Speaker 8: if I'm being completely honest. Yeah, until the shakeout, you know,

473
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Speaker 8: and I tell them. They were like, hey, look, this

474
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 8: is what we're here to do. And I was like, guys, listen,

475
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 8: like I'm here to rumble. I'm not going nowhere, ye, Like,

476
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 8: I'm fighting for something even, I'm fighting for something deeper

477
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 8: than just some chip on my shoulder and anger about

478
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 8: something from my past. I'm fighting for love, I'm fighting

479
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 8: for glory. I'm fighting for all this and I want

480
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 8: to give it to the world. So I know that

481
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 8: the whole stadium was against me, is what it felt like.

482
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Speaker 5: But yeah, well you turn them around and as you

483
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Speaker 5: continue to pursue and attain peace and happiness.

484
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Speaker 7: It's gott a dovetail beautifully with your fighting career.

485
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 5: Before we let you go, right, there are a handful

486
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Speaker 5: of top flight middleweights that are unbooked.

487
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Speaker 7: What is your expectation as to what the UFC is.

488
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 5: Going to do with you? Do you think it's going

489
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 5: to be another main event? Do you think it's going

490
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Speaker 5: to be a guy like Kyle BOHOLLYO. What is your

491
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 5: best guess as to when we might see you back

492
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Speaker 5: and in what context?

493
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Speaker 1: Hey, I don't know.

494
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Speaker 8: I don't like to play matchmaker after I just did

495
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Speaker 8: something like I did. I know that's what I should

496
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 8: to be doing, obviously, but I'll just say this. You know,

497
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 8: I know there's a Philadelphia card coming up in August.

498
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Speaker 8: I would love that. I definitely think I put myself

499
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Speaker 8: in a position after beating one of the greatest of

500
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 8: the world, to be another main event. But hey, if

501
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 8: you want to give me three rounds, that favors me.

502
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 8: So let's let's let's get me headline in the August

503
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 8: Card of Philly if that's true, or let's let's let's

504
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 8: hit something up in like September October. You know, I

505
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 8: have a lot of injuries right now, believe it or not. Uh,

506
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 8: then I need to get checked. My hand is still

507
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 8: pretty swollen, so I'm not sure, at least in comparison,

508
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 8: I'm not pretty sure. I don't know if I broke

509
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 8: something in it, but and then I gotta get something

510
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 8: checked out. I just had surgery on this elbow, so

511
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,239
Speaker 8: I don't know if something like I don't know if

512
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 8: I pulled a muscle in it.

513
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Speaker 1: I was struggling with it for the last two weeks.

514
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Speaker 8: But you know, I would say August, September, October somewhere

515
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 8: around there. I want to take a little bit of time, guys.

516
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 8: I want to you know, I want to get better,

517
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 8: and I don't like taking fights until I feel like

518
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 8: I've gotten better. One thing I could say I got

519
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 8: better with with this was obviously.

520
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: My mental approach.

521
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 8: Like I didn't I was in bedridden with anxiety before

522
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 8: overthinking things and trying to control the result just kind

523
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 8: of was in the moment. That's what being in the

524
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 8: moment is so, but yeah, you know me versus d DP,

525
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Speaker 8: I think that would be cool. He was a great champion.

526
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 8: I know he lost the belt, but he's a dog.

527
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 8: He's a tough dude. He likes to bang, he likes

528
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 8: to brawl. Me versus Kyle. I love Kyle.

529
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: I talked to him a lot.

530
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Speaker 8: It seems like, yeah, I did fighting all the guys

531
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 8: that I wind up having good relationships with. You know,

532
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 8: the only way I would fight Brendon Allen is if

533
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 8: they said it was a like a number one contender,

534
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 8: like I get a title shot if after we you know,

535
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 8: we fight, but that one's there.

536
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: I hope that's not the case. But uh yeah, Kyle

537
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: or DDP probably makes sense.

538
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Speaker 8: I think I should wait. I think should wait. I

539
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 8: think he's on a great wind streak. I think he

540
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 8: I thought he should have been fighting Hamza, right, so

541
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 8: I think he should wait. I think he's in a

542
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 8: great position. But yeah, that's those are my thoughts.

543
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 5: Well, you maximize the showcase, my man. You put yourself

544
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 5: in pride position. It is funny because a lot of

545
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 5: these guys who you mentioned have either put you over

546
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 5: or have a lot of respect for you, and vice versa,

547
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 5: whether Shieki Zu Plus or Kyle Bohalio. But hey, man, congratulations,

548
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,239
Speaker 5: you just took out the former un disputed two time

549
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 5: UFC middleweight champion, and we can't wait to see all

550
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 5: the work you continue to do on yourself mentally, physically

551
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 5: and otherwise. And you're all classman for coming on and

552
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,479
Speaker 5: giving us a quarter of an hour today. Joe Pifer,

553
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 5: You're the fucking man. Enjoy the fruits. We'll talk to

554
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 5: you simples.

555
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: Thank you. Boys.

556
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 5: Is Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Zone. Joe Pifer be Joe Pifer. And

557
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 5: it is interesting because his fan base has built organically.

558
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 5: It's built methodically, dating to Dana White's Contender series. And

559
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 5: I always say the best way to build your fan

560
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 5: base to knock motherfuckers clean out. That's how John O'Malley

561
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 5: did it right, is to knock people out. That's the

562
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 5: best way to build your fan base. So even though

563
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 5: maybe some of the faith is lost on certain people,

564
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 5: it's certainly not lost on you nor me. He keeps

565
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 5: knocking people out doing it the right way.

566
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 6: Man.

567
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 7: People are paying attention.

568
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 4: You gotta finish fights, Yeah, no, that's that's the way

569
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 4: to do it, man, And again, I think that so

570
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 4: much of this game, so much of being a professional athlete,

571
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 4: is what kind of mental attitude you bring to it.

572
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 4: It affects the way you train, it affects the way

573
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 4: you perform under stress, under pressure, and I think this

574
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 4: new Joe Pifer is a major major problem. He also

575
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 4: he always had the physicality, he always had the talent,

576
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 4: but now with this other element, I think he really

577
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 4: is a guy that that could win the belt.

578
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Speaker 2: I do think he's that good. And you know, I thought,

579
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 2: I thought it was a really complete performance from him.

580
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 7: Part of my job that I take seriously.

581
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 5: I guess it's not part of my job, but oftentimes

582
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 5: after fighter loses a fight, I will slide into their

583
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 5: DMS and try to provide some sort of encouragement. Now

584
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 5: I'm not saying this to sort of too my own

585
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 5: horn and have people be like, oh man, that's really thoughtful.

586
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 5: But as I was getting ready to book Joe Pifer

587
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 5: on the show today, I went back into our Instagram

588
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 5: messages because that's how I contact him. And you know,

589
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 5: it's interesting for me to read what I wrote to

590
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 5: him after he lost to jack Er Manson or after

591
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 5: he got sick in Mexico City, and I happen to

592
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 5: get sick as well. And you know, he's had some

593
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 5: really dark moments and now he has a lot of

594
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 5: light moments. And if you do subscribe to the theory

595
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 5: that good things happen to good people, that's what's happening

596
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 5: to Joe Pifer right now.

597
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 4: I think that, you know, for someone who had a

598
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 4: tough upbringing and who has dealt with a lot of

599
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 4: adversity and have had a lot of dark times, sometimes

600
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 4: it takes one person.

601
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes it takes.

602
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 4: Multiple people to say I believe in you. You could

603
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 4: be the best at this or whatever it is. Having

604
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 4: a good core group of people and having people you respect,

605
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 4: like like John Annix, Sending a kind message or a

606
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 4: positive message can do wonders for people. And I'm not

607
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 4: saying that that's the only reason, right, I mean, yeah,

608
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people contributing to that, but that

609
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 4: does make a huge difference, man. And sometimes you know,

610
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 4: you need other people to believe in you more than

611
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 4: you believe in yourself.

612
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, put thanks everybody joining us live here on

613
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 5: the anicon Florian podcast. Plattum Mike Perry scheduled to join

614
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 5: us here coming up at the bottom of the hour,

615
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 5: to be followed by Ray Longo. So before we get

616
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 5: back to Israel, lot of Sonya. I hadn't heard about

617
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 5: the Philadelphia card. Oftentimes I'm the last man to find out.

618
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's a numbered event or it's

619
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 5: a fight night, But you gotta think that Joe Pifer

620
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 5: is going to factor prominently in that equation and seems

621
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 5: like maybe Kyle Bohoalio makes some sense.

622
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 4: Kidding, Oh, it's a great fight. I hope the timing

623
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: works out for him. You know, he obviously divulged that

624
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 4: he does have some injuries he needs to heal up,

625
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 4: but I hope the timing works out. I think that

626
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 4: would be a fantastic fight between two guys that are

627
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 4: at the top of their game right now that are

628
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 4: kind of peeking and yeah.

629
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: So much talent on both sides.

630
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 4: But you know, with this new kind of mindset and

631
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 4: him having the ability to fight in his hometown, what

632
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 4: an opportunity.

633
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 5: That would be meant And you gotta think he will

634
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 5: be there May ninth, in Newark, New Jersey, not far

635
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 5: from where he lives. Datchimaia makes the first defense of

636
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 5: his title against Sean Strickland. So I felt pretty convicted

637
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 5: that Israel out of Sonia win or lose, was not

638
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 5: going to retire. And certainly I am a little bit

639
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 5: maybe more on the inside than some of the speculists

640
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 5: that are out there, right, But you can lose four

641
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 5: fights and still not be ready to retire. And even

642
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 5: though somebody within a stude mind like Kenny Florian would

643
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 5: suggest to you today that maybe out of Sonya isn't

644
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 5: quite as fast or the footwork isn't necessarily there the

645
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 5: way it was in his prime, it doesn't mean on

646
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 5: any given Saturday night he can't compete with the top

647
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 5: five to seven middleweights in the world. So he's not

648
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 5: just a prize fighter. He certainly has realized financial freedom.

649
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 5: He's continuing for the love of the game, the love

650
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 5: of the sport, and for legacy. I commend him on that,

651
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 5: and I think there's a great chance that Israeldo Sonia

652
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 5: wins another UFC fight against high level competition before all

653
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 5: is said than done.

654
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 4: Your thoughts on that, yeah, I think everyone fights for

655
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 4: different reasons, and you have.

656
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: To know what that is very very clearly.

657
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 4: I think that is he has done what very few

658
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Speaker 4: fighters will ever achieve. And I think that if he

659
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Speaker 4: still has a passion for this game, then yeah, he

660
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Speaker 4: can stay in it. And for me, I think that

661
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 4: he has slowed down a little bit. But he has

662
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Speaker 4: to be fully aware of that. I think and say,

663
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Speaker 4: what do I need to do to change maybe my

664
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Speaker 4: approach in fight, maybe in camp uh to accommodate maybe

665
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 4: these these adjustments and you know, find that way. It

666
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 4: is hard, though, when you're used to fighting a certain

667
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 4: way to just change that overnight. And I think there

668
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 4: was perhaps a mental lapse during this fight, or maybe

669
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Speaker 4: he was hurt and maybe not really in it at

670
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Speaker 4: the time. And you have to give credit a whole

671
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 4: lot of credit to Joe Pifer for fighting the way

672
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Speaker 4: that he did.

673
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Speaker 2: But you know, this is a critical time though, make

674
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Speaker 2: no mistake about it.

675
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Speaker 4: You know four five fights in a low and five

676
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 4: losses in a row is is no joke. And you know,

677
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 4: he has to find out very clearly what he's fighting for, because,

678
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 4: as he said, he does not need to keep doing this.

679
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Speaker 2: He does have financial freedom.

680
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Speaker 4: And for me, you know, I want to remember, is

681
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 4: he as that guy who was at his peak and right?

682
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Speaker 4: You know, so, yeah, I hope that whatever he does,

683
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 4: he makes the right choice and and uh, you know,

684
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Speaker 4: find that piece right.

685
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Speaker 5: You don't want twenty four and two to become twenty

686
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 5: five eight when it comes to the MMA record all

687
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 5: right now with us on the guest line. One of

688
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 5: the biggest names in all of combat sports man and

689
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 5: I always thought he could be this, one of the

690
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 5: biggest names in all of combat sports, the king of violence,

691
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 5: fifteen times UFC veteran, not White, Gold Platinum, Mike Perry

692
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 5: rocking the Young La, loud and proud.

693
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Speaker 7: It's good to see a champ. How we feel?

694
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Speaker 10: Don Anni don the goat commentator, Go what up? Kenny?

695
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 6: What up?

696
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 4: What's up?

697
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 7: I'm chilling, So I don't even know where to begin

698
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 7: with you.

699
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Speaker 5: You got a major MMA contest coming up with NATEDZ

700
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 5: coming up May sixteenth on Netflix.

701
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Speaker 7: We're very excited about that.

702
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 5: But in a bare knuckle setting, man like, if you

703
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 5: were trying to with AI create somebody who could beat you,

704
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 5: man Like, how is anybody gonna beat you in that format?

705
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 10: No, It's gonna be tough.

706
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Speaker 8: Uh.

707
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Speaker 10: You know, I'm coming back with my the gains that

708
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 10: I have in bare knuckle boxing, and you know, my

709
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 10: job is to go into the ring and let those

710
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 10: hands go, throw, throw my punches, getting gritty, uh close adults,

711
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 10: and you know, come out on top of those gritty matchups. Obviously,

712
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 10: Nate Diaz is a crafty character and and he uses

713
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 10: his mind and chooses, you know, who's gonna who's gonna

714
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 10: have the ring generalship, who's gonna decide when the fight

715
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 10: is happening and when it's not happening, or we're just

716
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 10: going in the middle and we're just gonna throw. So

717
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 10: there's a lot of excitement and in the ideas of

718
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 10: this matchup that we could be compared to the UFC

719
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 10: White House Card. Everyone is super excited about platinam Mike

720
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 10: Perry versus Nate Diaz, and I am as well. So

721
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 10: you know, I've been I've been filing really good that

722
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 10: it's finally my time. MMA fighters throughout history have gone

723
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 10: across platforms. That's what mixed martial arts is about. We

724
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 10: have the skills in more than one genre and putting

725
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Speaker 10: it all back together. I get to come back with

726
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 10: some of the vicious talents that I've always had.

727
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Speaker 4: It's a crazy fight, man, and just based on both

728
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 4: of the way that both of the ways that you

729
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 4: guys fight. I don't see it. I don't see it,

730
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 4: you know, being boring at all. But you know, does

731
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 4: it change the way that you've approached training? Now, obviously

732
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 4: this is your first mixed martial arts fight in a

733
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 4: little while. I'm not sure he's gonna be looking to

734
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 4: take you down. I imagine it's probably gonna be you

735
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 4: guys trading on the feet. But does it change a

736
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 4: lot of the way how you approach this one compared

737
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Speaker 4: to the last couple of years.

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Speaker 10: No, I have to train smart and smooth and uh,

739
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 10: you know, get those moments of grit where me and

740
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 10: my training partners are really going at each other and

741
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 10: in a professional manner. You know, you have the tough rounds.

742
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 10: And now it's five times five. I'm fighting a championship

743
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 10: level fight as far as five rounds of five minutes

744
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 10: each twenty five minutes. Like, I'm really excited about that.

745
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Speaker 10: I've been getting my sparring up to the five or

746
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 10: six rounds or more, and you know, I'm feeling like

747
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 10: it's it's become time in my life. I've proven myself

748
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 10: again and again in combat sports. I've taken over a

749
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 10: whole nother, you know movement with the bare knuckle fighting championships,

750
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 10: and I've kind of gotten to become the face of that,

751
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 10: and that's what I have to go in this fight

752
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 10: and do. And you know, my wife's she's one of

753
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 10: my coaches. She's in the corner and she's like, you

754
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 10: guys are throwing hands. His last fight was a boxing match,

755
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 10: this and that. Yes, I'm gonna stay.

756
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Speaker 6: You know.

757
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 10: I like some of the clints. I like some of

758
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 10: the close ups. I think he's gonna grab me and

759
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 10: we're gonna fight in the clinch. I don't see him

760
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 10: necessarily shooting a takedown unless I'm devastating him with the hands.

761
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 10: And uh, you know, I gotta watch out for guillotines,

762
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 10: arm drags, things like that of that nature. But the

763
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Speaker 10: training remains the same. I just put in the work

764
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Speaker 10: and go get to go have fun. May sixteen.

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Speaker 5: I know you've talked a lot about Lati and the

766
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 5: spousal support that you have had. You know, she was

767
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 5: with you before you had gotten to whatever place of

768
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 5: financial freedom you are at right now. So have you

769
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Speaker 5: guys had sort of a moment to sort of enjoy

770
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 5: the fruits that appreciate it, either in solitude the two

771
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 5: of you or otherwise.

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Speaker 10: You know, little little moments here and there. You know,

773
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 10: she definitely needs more, uh and there there's gonna you know,

774
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 10: I love I love how those things work out. And

775
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 10: you know with when it comes to business, and business

776
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 10: has to respect my life status and relationship and things

777
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 10: like that. And we we try to mold those things

778
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Speaker 10: together if we can. If I have a work trip,

779
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 10: we'll bring the fam and make make something out of it.

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Speaker 6: There.

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Speaker 10: There hasn't been as much time as we would like

782
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 10: to really sit back and kick your feet up. We

783
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 10: got work to do. We're we're on a mission. I'm

784
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 10: on a mission to really get that financial freedom so

785
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 10: that we can do this when we're you know, I'll

786
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 10: be forty before her. So yeah, you know, if we're

787
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Speaker 10: forty and I can kick my feet up on the

788
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 10: beach and have those my ties, Yeah, yeah, I'm finally ready.

789
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Speaker 5: So my son is seven. How old is Ocean right now?

790
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Speaker 10: Ocean's five. Now he's catching up.

791
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 5: He's starting to i'd imagine understand who the fuck his

792
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 5: father really?

793
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Speaker 6: Right?

794
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Speaker 10: Like, I don't know, that's a tough one. You know,

795
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 10: we ask him questions all the time. Do you want

796
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 10: to box? Do you want to fight? You know, I've

797
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 10: seen comments people like he's in the mix.

798
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, he could be.

799
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Speaker 10: If there's a good amount of money in it for him.

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00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 10: One day, I'm sure he'll be after it, but for now,

801
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 10: I don't think training is super super necessary. Like you know,

802
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 10: David ben Vitez's son will probably beat up my son

803
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 10: right now, and they're they're definitely the same, like exact age. Yeah,

804
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 10: but that's okay because they're not going to get paid

805
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 10: for that fight right now. When oceans seventeen eighteen and

806
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 10: he has the emotions of his father, he will cry

807
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 10: and claw some kids eyes out if he has to.

808
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 10: I think it's inside of him. So, you know, hopefully

809
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 10: I make enough money and then my kid can just

810
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 10: be a computer whiz.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go, Platin Mike Perry with us live

812
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 5: on the Anic Imploring Podcast. So you're still a young man.

813
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 5: You were born in nineteen ninety one. You had a

814
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 5: pretty extensive amateur career as an MMA fighter, if I'm

815
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 5: not mistaken, but you're certainly rounding into form. I mean,

816
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Speaker 5: i'd imagine you don't see the end as anywhere near

817
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 5: in sight. You got all these different promotions looking for

818
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 5: a PC like how long can you continue to realize

819
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 5: success at the highest level of combat?

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Speaker 10: Ah Man, I was just talking to Yo. Wel you

821
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 10: know he goes over to Russia, fights for gob in

822
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 10: bare knuckle fighting, you know, in Russia under their rules

823
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 10: against their guys, and he gets He demands respect with

824
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 10: his discipline and his knowledge at his age, and you

825
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 10: know you can just physically see it when you look

826
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 10: at him. He's working. He's putting in the work to

827
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Speaker 10: keep his body where it's at and always be able

828
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 10: to perform. You know, that's a goal to be forty

829
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 10: eight and look like that still just kicking my body

830
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 10: just through the roof, you know what I'm saying. So

831
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Speaker 10: that's the goal. I just stay. It's a lifestyle as

832
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Speaker 10: a martial artist, you know, to be the WU shoe master,

833
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 10: Sin say when you're fifty and just like you know,

834
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 10: you got these disciples around you that need the information

835
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 10: that you can teach them. Like I said, we could

836
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 10: teach the next genre generation of UFC fighters how to

837
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Speaker 10: do their job.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

839
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Speaker 5: So you got Dirty Boxing April tenth in Miami, and

840
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 5: then it's back to Central Florida for a few weeks,

841
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Speaker 5: and then I guess to be into a dome and

842
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 5: soakl for Nate Diz live on this floor.

843
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 7: Is that right?

844
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 10: Yeah?

845
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, big man.

846
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 5: Well, I look forward to seeing you at Dirty Boxing

847
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 5: here shortly. I'm gonna come say hello on Friday night.

848
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 5: I know you'll be making the rounds. And then May sixteenth, right,

849
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 5: Nate Diez under the lights into a dome that is

850
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 5: an absolutely amazing venue. If I were to say, given

851
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 5: your promotional value in combat sports right now, will you

852
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 5: ever be back in the octagon, would you say never?

853
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 7: Say never? Or do you think that ship is sid I.

854
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 10: Would definitely say never, say never. You know what I'm saying.

855
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 10: Oh I'm seeing things, but I want to talk too soon.

856
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 10: You know, I got to focus on the task in hand.

857
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 10: I think I just demolished this and I do my best.

858
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 10: You see the best Platinum Perry back in the ring,

859
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 10: back in the octagon or sorry it's a hexagon. We'll

860
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 10: try to get a hexagon here for MVP. Gonna see

861
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 10: how all that works out. They do big promotion. They

862
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 10: put on a heck of a show, excited to put

863
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 10: on for the fans and get back in MMA and

864
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 10: showcase how you know what I could do when I

865
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 10: go back.

866
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 5: Well, my man, I just got to say deep congratulations

867
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 5: on all your success, and I think you can tell

868
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 5: me and we're just super happy for you.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 5: You deserve it all, you put in all the work,

871
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 5: and uh we wish all the best of course with

872
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 5: DBX April tenth and then May sixteenth, brother will be watching.

873
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 10: Thank you so much, man. It's great to see you guys,

874
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 10: and I look forward to returning to MMA. So enjoyed

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Speaker 10: the show.

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Speaker 5: My man Platinum Mike Perry Live on Netflix May sixteenth

877
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 5: against fellow combat sports legend Nate Diez, and it is

878
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 5: going to be interesting to see how all of that goes.

879
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 6: Bro.

880
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 7: I just don't know who would ever beat him.

881
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 5: With with no padding on the knuckles right in a

882
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 5: bare knuckle setting.

883
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 6: Bro.

884
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 5: When you look at some of the guys on his resume,

885
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 5: whether it's Luke Rockholdt or Michael venim Page or Jeremy

886
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 5: Stevens or Eddie Alvarez, a lot of different stylistic challenges.

887
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 5: And when you see Perry's mits, brothers like dude, best

888
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 5: of luck.

889
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 7: Find I somebody to beat him in those rules Platinum.

890
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 4: Mike Perry was built for that. Like the dude's straight

891
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 4: out of a movie.

892
00:42:59,040 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 6: Man.

893
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 4: He's an absolute savage, So it's great to see him

894
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 4: get this huge opportunity against a massive legend in Nate Diez,

895
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 4: and that fight is going to be bananas.

896
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 5: He is about a two to one favorite right now

897
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 5: against Nate Diez come May sixteenth, and yes, Dirty Boxing

898
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 5: in Miami April tenth is on the eve of UFC

899
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 5: three twenty seven. My twin brother Jason Anik is part

900
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 5: of the broadcast team for DBX, so we will be

901
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 5: there live to show our support. If Jay can get

902
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 5: me a ticket, of course, I will be there on

903
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 5: the eve of UFC three twenty seven. So we sort

904
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 5: of keep getting away from this Israel Attasannya stuff. And

905
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna sit here and go through the middleway

906
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 5: top ten and ask you, hey, how do you think

907
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 5: he'd fare in a rematch with du plus see? How

908
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 5: do you think he'd do against Kyle Boholyyo? You know,

909
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 5: would the Brendan Allen fight be competitive? But I think

910
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 5: our thesis statement on both sides is that as long

911
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 5: as there's desire there's still enough sk you just don't

912
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 5: want to see him, you know, maybe not on like

913
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 5: an Anderson Silva go from you know, thirty and two

914
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 5: to thirty and eleven.

915
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 6: Yeah.

916
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 4: Well, you know what happens in the fight game, right

917
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 4: is you get these stars, and those stars once they

918
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 4: kind of start dropping in perhaps their performance or consistency,

919
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 4: they end up becoming, you know, a jumping off point

920
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 4: for a lot of the fighters who are up and coming,

921
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 4: And as a fighter, you then have to kind of say,

922
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 4: is this the role that I want to be in

923
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 4: as a fighter, Right, So if you're still enjoying it,

924
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 4: and you're still getting up for your fights, and you're

925
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 4: preparing really well and you're healthy, then absolutely I think

926
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 4: you should continue doing that. And like you said, John,

927
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 4: I do think his skills that are a high enough

928
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 4: level where he is elite.

929
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, all.

930
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 5: Right, just getting going live Anak and Florian podcast. We've

931
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 5: been guessed heavy as such, we haven't even gotten into

932
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 5: one of the greatest finishes in UFC history and all

933
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 5: that encompass just the six uftually live event in modern

934
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 5: history to feature six finishes on the main card. One

935
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 5: man who I trust was watching Raymond Peter Longo, Let's

936
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 5: get to him.

937
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: It's now time for the Ray Long Minute.

938
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: That's what I watch, The.

939
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: Ray Long Minute, the John Nick and Kenny Florian podcast.

940
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 11: No, hey, let me tell you that that was the

941
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 11: card No More bitch and now ha.

942
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 5: So Kenny Florian is a quality over quantity guy in

943
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 5: most aspects of his life. Right, doesn't send a lot

944
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 5: of text messages, but he couldn't stop texting when Alexa

945
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 5: Grosso did that. Right, they call it a club and sub,

946
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 5: but you don't always see it, not like that like.

947
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 11: That, man, I mean, let me tell you, that's the

948
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 11: closest death in the octagon.

949
00:45:58,719 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 6: I think we've.

950
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 11: That was Come on, why don't even know I can't

951
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 11: even process that that girl was that. It's just it's

952
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 11: not even like it's the way she jumped on the

953
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 11: she nobody jumps on a rear naked quicker than that girl.

954
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: I called the double whammy.

955
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 4: Right, she knocked her out, uh like, basically put her

956
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 4: unconscious and then jumped on a sub. Now, I did

957
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 4: that with Clay Guita, but it was not as violent,

958
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 4: it was not as dramatic, it was not.

959
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: As quick as how she did it. It was just

960
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: so fluid.

961
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 4: The way she did it was it was bad, like

962
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 4: she looked like an absolute gangster. And then the why

963
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 4: it was so dramatic after it too. It was just

964
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 4: like Macy Barber was just in a completely different dimension.

965
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 6: Man.

966
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 4: She went to the shadow realm and she was staring

967
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 4: into another dimension at that and she could not get

968
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 4: up for a.

969
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: Very very long time.

970
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 4: And you know, Grosso just kind of calmly got up,

971
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, sorry, man, it was umble.

972
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 6: Look, Grosso did the right thing.

973
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 11: I think the ref did as good a job as

974
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 11: he could if he got in there a.

975
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 6: Quick It was fast. It was really quick.

976
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 11: Man, that was And to be unconscious and have the

977
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 11: blood or choked out to you, dude, that can't be good.

978
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 6: That cannot be good.

979
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 5: Ray Longo not a doctor, but he does play one

980
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 5: here on the But no, you're not wrong.

981
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: I know.

982
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 6: I gotta tell you. I don't even think a doctor

983
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 6: could tell you what was going.

984
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 10: Doctor was just.

985
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: Staring at her.

986
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 5: So Mike Beltron deserves a lot of credit. And this

987
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 5: was I think he just refereeing in a while because

988
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 5: he had about with diverticulatis and I think he had

989
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 5: the surgery or whatever it was. But yes, I mean,

990
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 5: thank goodness Beltron was all over it because there are

991
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 5: plenty of referees that would have been out of position

992
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 5: or less instinctive, and that could have spelled even a

993
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 5: worse fate for Macy.

994
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,959
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh no, he got in there as quick.

995
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 11: I don't think he could have did anything different, to

996
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 11: be honest with you, it's how fast it was. And wow,

997
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 11: that was That's some of the scariest shit I've ever seen.

998
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 11: I've seen I've seen after the AFT myth with people

999
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 11: are just laying on the floor and they still think

1000
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 11: they fight and they get but that the way that

1001
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 11: went down was was that was pretty brutal. That was brutal.

1002
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 11: And I hope Macy Bob is all right, man, what

1003
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 11: a you know.

1004
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 5: She seems to be handling things really well. She's been good,

1005
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 5: very public on social media, beco very good. Oftentimes athletes

1006
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 5: sort of cloak up, and I think actually just facing

1007
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 5: forward is probably gonna be therapeutic for her. But man,

1008
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 5: Alexa Grossel, when you think about how she rested the

1009
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 5: belts away from Valentina Chevchenko whose face was half discolored,

1010
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 5: and Kenny, now this finished that Dana White call one

1011
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 5: of the greatest in UFC history.

1012
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 7: I mean, she's.

1013
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 5: Gonna it's amazing how much And again she's realized the

1014
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 5: world title, she's defended it, she's made a lot of money.

1015
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 7: But bro, I mean, this is going to take it right.

1016
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 5: She gets the bonus right, She's going to get all

1017
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 5: this year end hardware for this, right, like Alexa Grosso,

1018
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 5: all of a sudden everything has opened up for again.

1019
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: Yep.

1020
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 4: I mean I say this so many times, but again,

1021
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 4: one fight can change your whole trajectory of your career.

1022
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: And that's how you come back.

1023
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 4: You know, that's how you come back and you remind

1024
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 4: everybody how badass you actually are.

1025
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: And you know, these are the dangerous fights for people.

1026
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 4: Like a Macy Barbara, when you're going against a former

1027
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 4: champion or an elite fighter and they're kind of on

1028
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 4: a little bit of a downstreak and you're like, I

1029
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 4: think I got them. This is maybe where they're their

1030
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 4: lowest point. This is when they're most vulnerable, and you

1031
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 4: forget now they're still there, They're still in it. And

1032
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 4: I had a feeling and what a performance in Grasso.

1033
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: I think it.

1034
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 4: Shows character, It shows development, and she's going to be

1035
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,479
Speaker 4: a problem moving forward. Man, she's still here.

1036
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 11: Yeah up boxing A stand up was going on for

1037
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 11: that fight. Uh yeah, I mean it almost looks I

1038
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 11: know we're probably gonna talk about ad ASNJA too, but look,

1039
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 11: I like that is he that guy went in there

1040
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 11: to fight.

1041
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 6: I think I think he I give that guy a.

1042
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 11: Lot of credit, you know what I mean. I think

1043
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 11: he's a he's a good dude and he understands fighting.

1044
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 11: But uh man, that is he was the you know,

1045
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 11: it's a teddy one time said what a guy does

1046
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 11: at the end is always what he always wanted to

1047
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 11: do at the beginning.

1048
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 6: It wasn't really.

1049
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 11: Applying to this, but I think that's who is he

1050
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 11: always wanted to be. But you know, as you're going up,

1051
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 11: sometimes you gotta fight safe. You need that win to

1052
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 11: get to the next you know. I think this is

1053
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 11: the izzy that and he was doing great. You know,

1054
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 11: he took all those shots. I thought he was. He

1055
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 11: was looking good.

1056
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 6: Just you know, the Achilles seal was was the wrestling ray.

1057
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 5: I'm so glad that you just said that and sort

1058
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 5: of talked us into that talking point because Kenny and

1059
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 5: you and is he have a personal relationship. He's not

1060
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 5: emotionally attached to the losses and the wins. Yeah, and

1061
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 5: that it's absolutely critical, and certainly it applies to a

1062
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 5: lot of kickboxers who maybe experienced losses far more often

1063
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 5: than your average MMA fighter. But I think Ray's right.

1064
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 5: He was roundly criticized for that Jared cannoneer win at

1065
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 5: UFC two seventy six. I believe it was in twenty

1066
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 5: twenty two, and he's mostly lost fights since then. And

1067
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 5: the only man that he's knocked out since then and

1068
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 5: not beaten on points of course was Alex Padata, right.

1069
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 5: But yeah, I do believe in a lot of respects

1070
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 5: now that you know, there's a freedom with which he

1071
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,479
Speaker 5: is fighting and it doesn't necessarily produce a win. But yeah,

1072
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 5: I really can lean into that ring.

1073
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 11: I mean, that's what I believe, and I like, again,

1074
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 11: hats off to him. I think I think we even

1075
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 11: saw that with GSP at the end of his career,

1076
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 11: and I know I think I had spoken to him

1077
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 11: about that two years ago, but you know, when GSP

1078
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 11: really started to open up, it is freedom, you know,

1079
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 11: it's not about winning a loser, it's about expressing yourself.

1080
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 11: And I think George did it at the end. He

1081
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 11: was in some wars at the end, if you remember

1082
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 11: he was he was he was playing down and fighting

1083
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 11: And I think, you know, once you get that monkey

1084
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 11: off your back and you've accomplished everything, you're in the

1085
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 11: history books forever is you'll go down as one of

1086
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 11: the greatest, if not the greatest middleweight in the world

1087
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 11: besides Widman. But uh, but uh, you know what I mean,

1088
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 11: like he's got nothing to prove.

1089
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 6: I tell you, I like that is he that? To me? John?

1090
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 11: You said the word freedom. That was freedom to me.

1091
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 11: He went in there, had a good time and you know,

1092
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 11: came up short.

1093
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, but here's who I see it. He was

1094
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: winning the fight.

1095
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 4: And then you know that freedom made him fight in

1096
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 4: a style that I don't think is actually his where

1097
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 4: he fights at his best. And he took a lot

1098
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 4: of damage along the way. He took some huge shots

1099
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 4: from a guy that you don't want to trade with.

1100
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 4: And you know, again, just like Joe said, you can

1101
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 4: make any decision out there as a fighter, there's just

1102
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 4: gonna be repercussions for it. And I think that that

1103
00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 4: was not the way that he was going to win

1104
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 4: that fight. If he did win that fight, I think

1105
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 4: he would have been throwing the dice. He did throw

1106
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 4: the dice, he got hurt. I don't think he was

1107
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 4: totally with it. You know, Piper got an easy takedown

1108
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 4: after that, took full advantage. And yes, that's where he

1109
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 4: you know, really lost the fight was on the ground.

1110
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 4: But you know, he was doing a great job of

1111
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 4: using variety and keeping Piper on the outside. And when

1112
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 4: he decided to be entertaining and trade, that's where he

1113
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 4: let Piper right back.

1114
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 6: In the fight, right right.

1115
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 11: But but again, John, he could have easily did a

1116
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 11: Yoel Romero with this calf kick and move move move,

1117
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 11: caf kick, jam move. The guy wouldn't have gotten near him.

1118
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 11: I don't think did bet. But again and again it's look,

1119
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 11: I could be completely wrong in this, but that's what

1120
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 11: I saw. I saw a guy that wanted to put

1121
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 11: on a show at any cost. Yeah, and uh, like again,

1122
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 11: I don't think he would have did this if it

1123
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 11: was five years ago, but uh, you know, it is

1124
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 11: what it is.

1125
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 7: I think you both make a lot of good points.

1126
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 6: He is.

1127
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 5: Free of championship pressure and perhaps liberating and stylistically results

1128
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 5: in some changes, but given the landscape in the middleweight

1129
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 5: division right now, even if he had knocked Joe Pifer

1130
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 5: clean out with a question mark kick in round one, Yeah,

1131
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 5: he's not getting ahead of Sean Strickland May ninth. He's

1132
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 5: plausibly not getting ahead of Nossordini Mavov, who beat him

1133
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 5: head to head. And you know that says nothing of

1134
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 5: some of the other guys like Brendan Allen. So yeah,

1135
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 5: very interesting stuff there. So anything else for us? I

1136
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 5: guess ray I would like to get thirty seconds or

1137
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 5: so on Joe Pifer because this fan.

1138
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, let's not tell you with a lot.

1139
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 5: He joined us off the top of the show today

1140
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 5: and I just really am happy for I guess his

1141
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 5: relative piece and happiness.

1142
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 11: Yeah, I didn't lean into that whatever they said. I

1143
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 11: hope he's all right. I know, you know, he came

1144
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 11: up on the regional circuit, He's surrounded by a lot

1145
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 11: of good people, and man, they kind of that fight

1146
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 11: was almost like Wideman Silver in a way didn't have

1147
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 11: the implications, but it was a guy coming up, big

1148
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 11: strong kid, you know what I mean, fighting the guy

1149
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 11: that's considered one of the best ever. And uh yeah,

1150
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 11: it's off the Piper. What a great, great win that

1151
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 11: is for him. And uh, you know, now things get interesting,

1152
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 11: right because now he's in the top What is he

1153
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:18,959
Speaker 11: in the top five?

1154
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.

1155
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 11: Yeah, So I'm happy to see. We'll see where it goes.

1156
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 11: But I'm happy for Piper. I just hope he holds

1157
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 11: it together. Whatever I heard about the suicide thing, I

1158
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 11: hope that's I hope he gets the right help and

1159
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 11: uh yeah, And you know, it's crazy when you think

1160
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 11: about that we have. It seems like you're on top.

1161
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 6: Of the world with everything and still you know, people

1162
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 6: don't get it.

1163
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 11: Man, It's a really serious, serious problem. And I hope

1164
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 11: he deals with it right correctly. I mean, you know

1165
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 11: what's funny, Tomember, remember that comedian Richard Jenny Like he

1166
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 11: was with his girlfriend.

1167
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 6: He's having a great time. I got it.

1168
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 11: I'm just gonna go to the bathroom, went in the

1169
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 11: bathroom and killed himself. But it wasn't like he was

1170
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 11: having a bad time. But mentally, if shit gets in

1171
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 11: your head and you don't have the right you know,

1172
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 11: defense mechanisms or the support team around you, I think

1173
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 11: things get ugly really quick.

1174
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 6: So I really only.

1175
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 11: Wish him the best. I know the people that manage him,

1176
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 11: I'm very close with everybody's He's a good He's a

1177
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 11: really good dude who went through a lot as a kid,

1178
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 11: and I hope he gets through it.

1179
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it seems like he's in a good

1180
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 4: place now. But Ray, what do you think about his potential?

1181
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 4: I know you know you've you've spoken highly of him.

1182
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 4: Do you think he's a guy that could be a

1183
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 4: champion in that very difficult middleweight division.

1184
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, Look, it's gonna it's gonna eventually. Look,

1185
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 6: he's got his his wrestling, his jiu jitsu. Everything looked

1186
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 6: on point.

1187
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 11: He passed the guard NS and I'm not saying he

1188
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 11: was getting resistance or whatever, but I know they I

1189
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 11: think they brought in NICKI Rodriguez, so it looks like

1190
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 11: he's tight and in some of his stuff up. I

1191
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 11: don't think he can get much better of a guy

1192
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 11: to bring int that guy. I think he does. Man,

1193
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 11: he hits. He I'll tell you what, he's got lead

1194
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 11: in his hands, and I like a couple of those

1195
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 11: right hands. He just snuck in there out of nowhere,

1196
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 11: you know what I mean. So I saw some really.

1197
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: Good massive middle way to man.

1198
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 11: Yeah, I tell you, I thought he was going to

1199
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 11: be a lot tall. He's he's bigger than I thought.

1200
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 11: They matched They matched up, Yeah, they matched up a

1201
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 11: little differently. When I got out there, I thought the

1202
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 11: size was going to be a little more in his advantage,

1203
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 11: and I don't even think it wasn't advantage. So yeah,

1204
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 11: I think I think he could do whatever he wants

1205
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 11: to do.

1206
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 6: Has that.

1207
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 11: I think he wants it, and he stays on track

1208
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 11: and he gets his head focused and clears up all

1209
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 11: that other ship.

1210
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 6: Yet there's nothing no stopping them. He's got the tools and.

1211
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 5: In many respects they are going to be easier stylistic

1212
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 5: matchups for him than Israel. Not a son you kicking

1213
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 5: the shit out of your goddamn calves. And even though Pifer,

1214
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 5: in talking about the calf kicks earlier, said that he

1215
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 5: was able to fight through them, I think part of

1216
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 5: the issue is and Bola Mohabbed others suggests it's a

1217
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 5: toughness equation, but sometimes if that one completely changes the

1218
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 5: complexion of the fight, that's the issue. So you are

1219
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 5: playing with fire when it comes to that if that won, right, So, Ray,

1220
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 5: did you see the featured prelim between Tafik Mussaiah and

1221
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 5: Ignacio ba A Mondez that painted blood all over the canvas?

1222
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 6: Did you see that fight? Was happy that the I

1223
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 6: was happy to UFC got back on track. Yeah, this

1224
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 6: is what I suspect every great.

1225
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's a few different angles through which to

1226
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 5: attack this, Kenny, I guess you can start us off here.

1227
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 7: There were fouls for a fence.

1228
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 5: Grab and edbudd that went completely unacknowledged, and again just

1229
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 5: inconsistency in officiating rearing its head here. This was not

1230
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 5: one of the big name referees necessarily, but uh, you know,

1231
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 5: this would seem to be as easy a case for

1232
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,479
Speaker 5: some sort of appellate intervention as.

1233
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 4: Any you know. The they were egregious to like the

1234
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 4: head but was blatant. It was clear it was There

1235
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 4: was no like elbow behind it or punch behind it.

1236
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 4: It was just a frigging you know, early UFC headbutt

1237
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 4: right to the dome and that's not cool and that

1238
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 4: affected the fight, right, I mean the cut, the blood

1239
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 4: in the eyes. I've been there, when you're on your

1240
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 4: back and you got blood in your eyes, it's like

1241
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 4: someone just puts a red sheet over your eyes and

1242
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 4: you can't really do much. It gets slippery, of course,

1243
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 4: and and just gets worse and worse. The taste isn't

1244
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 4: great either, uh, but you know I was. It was unfortunate.

1245
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 4: And then Bob Munda is in a great position to

1246
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 4: hit a souplex, and Messiah is I was holding the

1247
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 4: cage just as clear as day.

1248
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: No file, no talk like.

1249
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 4: It was one of those things where as a fighter,

1250
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 4: you're in there and you're like, this is not my day.

1251
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: Everything is kind of going against him.

1252
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 4: And now I don't think bab Munda's did himself a

1253
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 4: whole lot of favor of some of the decision making

1254
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 4: he was he was doing out there, But you know,

1255
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 4: just those two things could have changed the fight completely, right,

1256
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 4: So it was unfortunate. And for those you know, maybe

1257
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 4: the referees are the officials that are kind of watching

1258
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 4: the teape. Ah, maybe they should have seen it a

1259
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 4: little clear or mentioned something. I don't know, but and

1260
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 4: I don't know if if they have any power in

1261
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 4: doing that, because I think the referee in cage has

1262
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 4: to see something or think he sees something. But yeah,

1263
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 4: it was a lot of things went wrong for Bob

1264
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 4: wonders that night.

1265
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: You know.

1266
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a shame, And I think the worst part

1267
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 6: of the story for me. First off, the ref.

1268
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 11: Was completely at at a position that might not have

1269
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 11: been his fault, but he he was on the opposite side.

1270
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 6: I don't think he could see anything.

1271
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, not the best angle because the cage.

1272
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 6: Is not the best angle for that. Yeah.

1273
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 11: But what the worst part to me is file a

1274
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 11: complaint and what's the Athletic Commission going to do about that?

1275
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 6: Want me to tell you?

1276
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 11: Yeah, there you go, absolutely fucking nothing. What purpose do

1277
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 11: you fucking served? You can't overturn a decision? I mean

1278
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 11: there's blatant stuff going on.

1279
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that that to me is for.

1280
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 11: Look, the ref's at a position, he doesn't see it,

1281
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 11: but then the fighter knows it, so finally complain.

1282
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1283
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 5: Well, no, you're right that oftentimes those are fruitless, but

1284
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 5: I think in this case, I think it might.

1285
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 6: But why should it be fruitless? John?

1286
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: No, I'm not suggesting it.

1287
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 11: No, No, I know, no, I know, I'm not saying

1288
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 11: I'm not I'm just saying, but why it's right? No?

1289
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's why in this particular case.

1290
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 11: Right, I mean, show me something, show me you can

1291
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 11: do your fucking job.

1292
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 6: How's that?

1293
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 11: Do your fucking job and analyze the tape and tell

1294
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 11: us what you think, because that'll be real interesting.

1295
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1296
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 5: You know what, I'm not sure that there is a

1297
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 5: fighter as roundly respected and appreciated by his peers as

1298
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 5: Michael Kissa. And there was such an outpouring of love

1299
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 5: for this man. And I have a relationship with his

1300
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 5: mom from The Ultimate Fighter Live back in twenty twelve,

1301
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 5: and I was able to send her a message after

1302
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 5: the win. And it's really been amazing to watch him

1303
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 5: go about this mixed martial arts career. When he lost

1304
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 5: his father during filming of The Ultimate Fighter Live back

1305
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 5: in twenty immediately tied him to this fan base and

1306
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 5: he's just been dripping with class every step of the way.

1307
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 7: And so to see a guy like.

1308
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 5: That in his damn hometown get like the actual perfect

1309
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 5: send off Kenny, just incredible.

1310
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 2: It was perfect.

1311
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,439
Speaker 4: You know, a Kisa deserves all of it because he's

1312
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 4: one of those guys that never, you know, compromised his

1313
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 4: values or anything like that.

1314
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: He was never disrespectful towards people.

1315
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 4: He did everything the right way and as a professional

1316
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 4: through and through and.

1317
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 2: It was great to see him go out like that.

1318
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 4: Now it's not always like that, right, you know, not

1319
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 4: every fighter says goodbye on a win or in their

1320
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 4: hometown or in that manner. And that's about as perfect

1321
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 4: as it gets for Kisa, and it was great to

1322
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 4: see him go out like that.

1323
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 2: He's always been a really cool, down.

1324
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 4: To earth guy, humble guy, hard working dude, and you know,

1325
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 4: one of those guys who really had to kind of

1326
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 4: work for it.

1327
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 2: He didn't have a whole it wasn't.

1328
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 4: Blessed with a ton of you know, crazy physicality and

1329
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 4: talent and all that stuff. He worked for everything he

1330
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 4: got in the sport. And you know that that was

1331
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 4: an awesome performance for him, and I am very happy

1332
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 4: for him.

1333
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, he's a guy John I liked From

1334
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 11: the first second I talked to him, I knew I

1335
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 11: would be, you know, friends with that guy forever. He's

1336
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 11: just a good dude, beautiful wife, met his mom back

1337
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 11: in that MacGregor incident, I believe, and.

1338
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 6: Just nice people. You got.

1339
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 11: I like when nice, nice things happen to nice people.

1340
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 11: And that's a perfect example of it. And again an

1341
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 11: example of a guy that never became champion, I had

1342
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 11: Korea and he's going to go on to be do

1343
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 11: great things in the broadcast stuff.

1344
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 6: And it's just a it's a feel good story, it

1345
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 6: really is.

1346
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 11: And the adversity he had to go through, I think

1347
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 11: everybody knows what pain neck could be like and uh

1348
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 11: just pats off to that guy's like again a class act.

1349
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 11: Since the second I met him.

1350
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 5: I know a lot of people were talking about Nico

1351
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 5: Price not getting a microphone.

1352
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 2: Has Nico retired?

1353
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 5: I was getting a lot of mentions on this on

1354
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 5: social media, and I was trying to remind fans that

1355
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 5: I was not actually there because they were saying that

1356
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 5: Annex screwed Nico Price. I was like, I'm with my

1357
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 5: fucking son, actually, but yeah, I don't know if we

1358
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 5: like I'm actually, you know, Hendrix Jin not watching kis alive.

1359
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 2: I'm with my son. But no, I don't know if

1360
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 2: Nego Price.

1361
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 5: Maybe some fans were suggesting he's stuck around and was

1362
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 5: hoping to maybe get an interview. I don't know, but

1363
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 5: I know a retirement package obviously was built for Michael Kiessa.

1364
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 5: But yes, we do, at least here want to acknowledge

1365
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 5: Nico Price. His contributions to the sport, and I've really

1366
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 5: enjoyed getting a no Nico price and always giving him

1367
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 5: a hard time about yes, whatever it is, you know,

1368
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 5: by the way, thrown Sport Coffee coming to Longo's Genil.

1369
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 5: Each gets one hundred and fifty milligrams a natural caffeine,

1370
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Speaker 5: natural sweeteners, and one hundred percent of your daily B vitamins.

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Speaker 5: The lattes also packed ten grams of protein. Cold brewis

1372
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Speaker 5: are low sugar, a lot of dairy free options as well.

1373
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 5: I'm trying to premium charge cold brew vanilla bean today,

1374
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Speaker 5: which is dairy free for my lactose tolerance issues. Thrown

1375
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:43,120
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01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 5: it online at Amazon, Walmart, and their website directly Sport

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1378
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Speaker 5: You can get this at Cases, you can get it

1379
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Speaker 5: at Quick Trip Whole.

1380
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: Foods as well. Raymond, there he goes.

1381
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 5: But for you, as soon as I can get a

1382
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 5: free I'm gonna bring you eight fucking cases to you.

1383
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 6: Might well if I send somebody up to your house.

1384
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 5: That's fine, Then somebody to my house to pick up

1385
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 5: the coffee. That's fine, Cody sent me an email. Right,

1386
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 5: I didn't intend to go down this direction. Let's go

1387
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 5: four wide and welcome on Jason, and for this conversation,

1388
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 5: it's actually a perfect segue because he knows his entire business.

1389
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 6: The sane brother has joined us. Thank you dude.

1390
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 5: Well, so I'm I'm like, as soon as Ray got

1391
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 5: on the screen, he was like, there it.

1392
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: Is the UFC.

1393
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,959
Speaker 5: How about that fucking fight card everybody? And I said

1394
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 5: that on one of my shows earlier, like all these fans, right,

1395
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 5: all this other hype around like the UFC. Yes, slow

1396
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 5: playing twenty twenty six, but like when we all see

1397
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 5: that blood like we love it and that finished one

1398
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 5: of the greatest finishes ever. But like Nico Price, let

1399
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 5: me just back up there for twenty one fight with Jeff.

1400
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 6: Wait, hold on, Jason, slow down.

1401
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 11: You're not You're not going to take John's job, but

1402
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 11: you're doing a great job. I hate to dirupt you,

1403
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 11: but keep telling sorry about that.

1404
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,040
Speaker 2: Well, I'm trying. I'm trying to learn everything like an interview.

1405
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 5: But like Nico Price and with the utmost respect to

1406
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 5: the promotion and everyone running like twenty one fights in

1407
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 5: the UFC fought a murderer's row like his whole career.

1408
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 5: I think he you know, I mean, like he'd lost

1409
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 5: six of seven, four straight.

1410
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 2: But like he said he.

1411
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 5: Was retiring, comes out to him coming home right, takes

1412
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 5: the gloves off lingers in the octagon. It wasn't like

1413
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 5: coming out of nowhere, and like one little moment would

1414
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 5: have been good for a guy who's made a lot

1415
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 5: of moments, maybe more for his opponent than himself.

1416
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 12: Over Yeah, yeah, and perhaps so this guy perhaps you

1417
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 12: looking at your notes, No, you know, I know again,

1418
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 12: I wasn't there, so I don't know if they knew

1419
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 12: that Nico was retiring.

1420
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 5: Anyway, that's probably neither of that's there. But anyway, so

1421
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 5: Cody sent me he just wiped us up. Cody sent

1422
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 5: me an estimate of this like broadcast kit to set

1423
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 5: up at.

1424
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 2: Longos Gym, like everything.

1425
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 5: We would need a fucking soundboard, the micro phones, everything else.

1426
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 5: And I'm thinking, you know, am I gonna pay for

1427
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 5: this for long goos m m A so I can

1428
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 5: show up there and haze these people once a month.

1429
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 5: It's less than two g's ray, I just haven't less.

1430
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 6: Than two gs. That's that's nothing.

1431
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, well it's not I don't It's not my chim.

1432
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 6: That's all right.

1433
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 5: I'll pay for the fucking studio, Chicken for the Chicken

1434
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 5: pat the Chicken pay for anything. I mean, you have

1435
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 5: said the Chicken Pound is going to sponsor the Ray

1436
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 5: Longo minute, and they've done nothing of the soil.

1437
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,560
Speaker 6: I got it, I forgot. I have to find a sponsor.

1438
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:44,879
Speaker 6: But in all series, we're getting that done.

1439
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 5: I got eight cases of throwing sport coffee and as

1440
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 5: soon as you have a reasonable Bros. Broadcast set up.

1441
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 5: I know Steve Lee is like the greatest manager in

1442
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 5: M M. A. Jim history, but like maybe he could

1443
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 5: help facilitate something.

1444
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 6: He's got all the equipment. You gotta check with Cody.

1445
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 6: We have Steve. Yeah, we had somebody bring down equipment.

1446
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 5: Hey John, why don't you just run point on the

1447
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 5: whole opos.

1448
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, text you Ray. I got nothing else going on.

1449
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 2: Something else.

1450
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 5: I want to ask you guys about blood in mixed

1451
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 5: martial arts, right because Kenny Florian, who three times Challenge

1452
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 5: for UFC Gold, has been involved in a lot of

1453
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 5: bloody fights in his day. His fight against Sean Shirk

1454
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 5: one of the bloodiest in UFC history. Kenny was tasting

1455
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 5: blood for weeks upon weeks, and I think it's still

1456
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 5: actually in the tentacles of his eyes, right.

1457
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1458
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 7: He also bludgeoned and bloodied Clay.

1459
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 5: Now, my twin brother Jason ray who is here and

1460
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 5: I'm gonna lead with Raymond on this, absolutely loves the

1461
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 5: blood in MMA. There are certain people who need to

1462
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 5: turn away. There are other people who can't deal with

1463
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 5: the broken bones. Most of the responses I got to

1464
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 5: this question about blood and Mma said, it's much easier

1465
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 5: for me to look at a blood soaked canvas then

1466
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 5: to have seen that Macy Barber replay several times over So,

1467
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 5: Ray when you see the canvas get painted with blood

1468
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 5: early and that's the visual for the rest of the

1469
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 5: night overall.

1470
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 7: How do you feel about spilt blood in m ms?

1471
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,879
Speaker 6: Uh, not really different.

1472
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 11: I don't know part of the game, but it doesn't

1473
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 11: you know, you're not I'd rather look at the blood

1474
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 11: than the Macy Babit thing.

1475
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 6: You can probably in that category, you know. I think

1476
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 6: it's part of why don't I see it in the gym?

1477
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 6: I see it all over the place awaybe you just

1478
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 6: get used to it. It's nothing, nothing new.

1479
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I guess you know, heading in there, it's

1480
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 4: it's kind of nasty. Like if if I'm not fighting,

1481
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 4: if I'm not in that mindset, I think it's gross.

1482
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 2: You know. Like I saw that.

1483
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 4: Huge patch of blood taking up, you know, one corner

1484
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 4: of the octagon. I'm like, damn, dude, Like that's a

1485
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 4: lot of staff right there.

1486
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 2: But uh, you know when you're.

1487
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 4: In there, when I'm just like, all right, well I'm here,

1488
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 4: there's nothing I could do, you know. I remember after that,

1489
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 4: after that shirt fight, I found I took two showers.

1490
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 4: I took one backstage, you know, after the fight, and

1491
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 4: I took another one when I got back to the hotel.

1492
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 4: Because that's how much blood I had, like in my

1493
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 4: hair caked, I like dreads of blood in my hair.

1494
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 4: The next morning, I woke up, I had blood in

1495
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 4: my eyelids. I had blood in my ears. I went

1496
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 4: to scratch my ear and blood was still there.

1497
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is disgusting. I have another pig that's

1498
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 2: blood like this.

1499
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 4: You know, this could be beat but uh yeah, man,

1500
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 4: it's crazy, but it's a part of the sport. I

1501
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 4: don't like the dislocated or broken boats Like I don't

1502
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 4: like looking at that.

1503
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Chris's leg.

1504
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 6: What was like, I don't want to see.

1505
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 4: I'll see it once because I'm seeing it live and

1506
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 4: I don't want to see that again.

1507
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 2: It's nasty.

1508
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 5: See Kenny's a fighter, raise a coach, so there with John,

1509
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 5: but we're more fans like I love it all the

1510
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,639
Speaker 5: fucking like Hematomas, like give me all of that dislocated limbs.

1511
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 5: And Nacho Nacio bamanas it was his blood. He's a

1512
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 5: friend of mine, some of a close friend of mine.

1513
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 6: Right.

1514
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 5: Interestingly enough, I always say I live in a fight home.

1515
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 5: I have daughters age nine and twelve. Fights are on.

1516
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 5: I turn it on for Nacho's fight, and I have

1517
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 5: to be like girls, all right that one Maybe girls

1518
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 5: can go to your dance in the other room.

1519
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 2: Go ahead, John, Yes exactly.

1520
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 5: So that's actually why I brought this question to social

1521
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 5: media was because I was watching the Nacho fight with

1522
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 5: my kids and my son couldn't turn away, you know,

1523
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 5: fascinated by all the redness, and my daughter Riley left

1524
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 5: the room. One comment here, Jay at screenplay, I don't

1525
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 5: like it, but I know it will sometimes happen. I

1526
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 5: was way more concerned with the amount of times viewers

1527
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 5: were shown an unconscious Macy Barber, not focusing, not being present.

1528
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 5: There are a lot of people also who talk about

1529
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 5: that there is a cleaning agent that you could use.

1530
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 5: Don't you think that if the UF could get all

1531
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 5: of that blood out of there in an instant that

1532
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 5: they would or No, Well, I think at one point

1533
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 5: DC on the broadcast or someone said, like a being

1534
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 5: someone coming in to the fights a little bit late,

1535
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 5: and you see this red canvas. It's absolutely incredible. I

1536
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 5: really like all of it. It's part of the drama

1537
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 5: of the sport. It's part of what these fighters risk

1538
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 5: going in there. But what I'll tell you about the

1539
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 5: Nacho fight that was really interesting is like, I'm screaming

1540
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 5: at my TV. I didn't see the fence grab. I

1541
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 5: wanted Nacho to keep this thing on the feet, you know,

1542
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 5: the whole time. So I'm screaming at the TV. And

1543
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 5: then the blood camps. It was a really unique moment

1544
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 5: in the home. But John, give me all the blood,

1545
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 5: even though it was Nacho's too.

1546
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 11: Yeah, John, I tell you years ago when I would

1547
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 11: take my fighters to my partner, Lou Nigli has place

1548
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 11: in Brooklyn. He had a ring with a white canvas

1549
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 11: just full of blood.

1550
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: It was like character like you write.

1551
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 11: You know, if a guy really wants to fight, you

1552
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 11: got to go into those dirty Not that his was dirty,

1553
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 11: but the boxing gyms were brutal.

1554
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 6: They would dirty as.

1555
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 11: Hell, and that you almost tested if your guy really

1556
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 11: had the stomach to fight, just by getting him in

1557
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 11: there at a long time.

1558
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 2: Anyway, grapes and your cuts in there make it strong.

1559
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Yeah, I mean I got I got fans

1560
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 5: saying yep, john ANX the pussy for even asking this question,

1561
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 5: And that's what that's true.

1562
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 2: That could be true as well, that is yeah, No.

1563
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 5: I mean, I definitely have some tendencies that would probably

1564
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 5: classify me as a right. Would you rather answer a

1565
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 5: few more questions or go to the gym?

1566
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:25,560
Speaker 11: I gotta get out of it, But let me just

1567
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 11: say a couple of things before I go. First off,

1568
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,719
Speaker 11: hats off to Demetrius Johnson that that was awesome.

1569
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 6: What the UFC did? I want? I don't want that

1570
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,879
Speaker 6: to go. I think that guy.

1571
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 11: By far the best that put everything together even a

1572
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 11: while ago, you know, and he goes back a little bit,

1573
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 11: you know, and we don't even see that today.

1574
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 6: As much. But hats off the Demetrius Johnson. I thought

1575
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 6: the UFC knocked it out of the park. They did

1576
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 6: the right thing.

1577
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 11: Was great to see, Uh, Adrian Janna's total fucking screw man.

1578
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't I don't know. I mean, why

1579
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 6: would you do that today? Kid man? What a beautiful fight.

1580
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 11: He fort like he fought a really intelligent, smart fight

1581
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,719
Speaker 11: after being out for a while. I just that shit

1582
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 11: just drives me fucking crazy that these guys have no idea.

1583
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 6: I mean this Wholetown's decision is hometown decisions. Then there's that,

1584
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 6: you know.

1585
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:23,719
Speaker 5: But Rickney Simone I thought almost got saved by the

1586
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 5: bell horn, which you're not supposed to be able to

1587
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 5: be saved by. You know, he was able to get

1588
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 5: his wits about him. I was thinking about Ricky Simone

1589
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 5: and Rob Wallace Willy back in the y.

1590
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 6: That guy's been gifted to victories or ties or what for.

1591
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 11: He got lucky. But anyway, I've had to walk to

1592
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 11: Adrian hang in there. I think he's a great fighter.

1593
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 11: Was great to see him get back on track. Unfortunately

1594
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 11: he's got to put up with this bullshit now, but

1595
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 11: hopefully he gets through it and last, but not least,

1596
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,759
Speaker 11: before I go. Everybody watched Poomi's fight Puomi the Cooder.

1597
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 11: Another outstanding performance. Go to Uriah Hall's a one combat

1598
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 11: watched fight.

1599
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,799
Speaker 2: When is that you're out of favor?

1600
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 6: Yeah? That was Friday night.

1601
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,879
Speaker 2: Oh it just happened. This pastor is yeah.

1602
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 6: Really, congrats to him. Another vigua happened. The kids got

1603
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 6: five belts?

1604
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 7: What happened on Friday Nights? We won the A one belt?

1605
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1606
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 2: How did you win? Decision finished?

1607
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 6: He did one by the decision, but he was going

1608
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 6: for He did knock them down a couple.

1609
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 2: No, I'm just I I hate usually I'm on top

1610
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 2: of my I'm not. I'm sitting here looking at ray.

1611
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 5: Would you rather have five beastings at once or twenty five?

1612
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 2: Mosquito? And I didn't even know the poony fought, So

1613
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:35,959
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

1614
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 5: I love Poomie. I'm president of the goddamned Bank Club

1615
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 5: and I didn't even know it.

1616
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 6: Five belts, five Yeah, five belts.

1617
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 4: I guarantee you on the eleventh bet belt, he'll get

1618
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 4: into the US.

1619
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 6: I got to run, I gotta get out of it.

1620
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 6: But I love you guys. Jason loved to Handdode.

1621
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 10: Can you keep that?

1622
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 6: Can you keep your brother in check? Please? Nope? Is

1623
01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 6: that possible?

1624
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 2: Impossible? Much love, Raymond, I'll talk to you.

1625
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 5: Ray Long comitted every week here on the Anakin Flooring Podcast.

1626
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 5: We pushed Ray back a few minutes for Platinum Mike Perry,

1627
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 5: So yeah, he touched on a few different things quickly.

1628
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 5: I guess if we could just spend a minute here.

1629
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 5: We had Demitrius Johnson on the Ankin Flooring Podcast a

1630
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 5: few weeks ago. George Saint Pierre and Demetrius Johnson, I

1631
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 5: think are the only two names that are on every

1632
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 5: unanimous MMA Mount Rushmore, Kenny. Some people don't include John

1633
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 5: Jones and Anderson Silva because of some extracurricular transgressions.

1634
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,600
Speaker 7: Right, but DJ Man.

1635
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 5: Right, for a lot of people, this is the greatest

1636
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 5: MMA fighter of all time, and there's certainly a case

1637
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 5: to be made, and he's going into the UFC Hall

1638
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 5: of Fame this summer.

1639
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1640
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 4: Absolutely brilliant mixed martial artist who was able to do

1641
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 4: it all and do it all at an extremely high level,

1642
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 4: and when he was at his best, there was no

1643
01:17:56,040 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 4: competition for him. He was just that good. So and

1644
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 4: I think that you know, if you were a smart

1645
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 4: mixed martial artist coming up, that was the guy that

1646
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,679
Speaker 4: you were studying to learn from of how to put

1647
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 4: it all together. He was constantly in search of getting better.

1648
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 4: And yeah, one of the greatest mixed martial artists that

1649
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 4: I have ever seen. Uh And it was great to

1650
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 4: see him get inducted. Man absolutely deserved and to see

1651
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 4: that big smile on his face and him there with

1652
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 4: his beautiful family was super super cool man Jay.

1653
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 5: One of the best things to happen to the UFC

1654
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty six has been the twenty five thousand

1655
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 5: dollars finish bonus. So at least for fighters like case

1656
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 5: O'Neil and Terence McKinny, maybe you're not sitting in the

1657
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 5: back hoping that a bunch of decisions follow your fight.

1658
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 5: And every fight on the main car was obviously a

1659
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 5: finish right Terrence McKinny in twenty four seconds, Casey O'Neil

1660
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 5: huge win in three minutes and eleven seconds. But the

1661
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 5: one hundred thousand dollars bonuses go to Joe Piper and

1662
01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 5: Alexa Grosso. Your boy Nacho gets one hundred thousand dollars bonus.

1663
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 5: Perhaps that softens the blow a little bit as his

1664
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 5: faith does. You know what, though, It's interesting because I

1665
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 5: talked a lot about this earlier on a show about

1666
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 5: Ignacio Bob Mundes John and not in the context of

1667
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 5: your sort of statement about it's a two year set

1668
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 5: back if you lose in a championship opportunities there because

1669
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 5: Nacho wasn't there, But he loses to Physiv back in July,

1670
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 5: and now he loses here regardless of circumstance, fence grab,

1671
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 5: whatever it is.

1672
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 2: So now it's back to back losses for Nacho.

1673
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 5: For a guy in Bala Muhammad's camp, you know, Bloso,

1674
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 5: his mentor that he wants to sort of you know,

1675
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 5: on a championship trajectory perhaps or championship track, trying to

1676
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 5: do that at one fifty five with back to back losses,

1677
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 5: how many fights does he have to win now to

1678
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 5: win to day?

1679
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 2: We have five straight fights to sniff a champions or

1680
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 2: whatever I mean.

1681
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 5: So now a guy who's on the cusp of the

1682
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 5: rankings or whatever it is, takes a fight against.

1683
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 2: Phaziv and Physige's backyard.

1684
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 5: If Physiv was fucking ready that night, right, and and

1685
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 5: now this result as a minus three hundred favorite or

1686
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 5: whatever it is. It's a really tough result, regardless of

1687
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 5: one hundred grand in the bank for his second kid

1688
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 5: just arrived. Yeah, Kenny, that's really an interesting point, right

1689
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 5: that what you think about out he got the absolute

1690
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,679
Speaker 5: best of Rafael Fhazeve and Azerbaijan, and maybe he doesn't

1691
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 5: beat physique more than once or twice out of ten times.

1692
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 5: But a very challenging stylistic matchup four Nacho and then this, right,

1693
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 5: it might take him five wins just to get back

1694
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 5: to the top fifteen.

1695
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1696
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 4: Man, this division is absolutely insane, and you know, timing

1697
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 4: is everything. Fighting the guys at the right time or

1698
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 4: the wrong time, you know, is a difficult thing in

1699
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 4: this sport and it can change a lot of things.

1700
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 4: So yeah, unfortunate result there for Ignacio. And again I

1701
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 4: just keep going back to those damn files during the fight.

1702
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 4: But he'll be back.

1703
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 5: He'll be back, yeah, John, And I just have to

1704
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 5: say I watch most of the show, but Alexa fucking

1705
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 5: h Rosso, Like, I just have to say, right, and

1706
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 5: I said earlier on a program I was like, interestingly

1707
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 5: enough in her career, I feel like at certain times

1708
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 5: she's been slightly overrated and at times been massively underrated,

1709
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 5: you know what I mean in a weird way, and

1710
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 5: like the three fights with Schevchenko, it's just been sort

1711
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 5: of an inching career. But the ferocity with which she

1712
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 5: finished that fight, you know, as an underdog right back

1713
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 5: in the championship mix, as I see her sitting next

1714
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 5: and doing in the broadcasting booth like bowed across.

1715
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 2: I mean like I'm just blown away at that performance.

1716
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what that want. And yeah, I mean back

1717
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 5: in a big way. Doesn't even begin to describe it.

1718
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 5: And not as though her legacy Jay needed validation, but

1719
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 5: look who she just beat as an underdog, Macy Barber

1720
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 5: won seven consecutive fights, and to beat her like that,

1721
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 5: my word. Thanks everybody with a slive for the anticonforming

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Speaker 7: The first pick of three on the main card is

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Speaker 5: And I'm having a hard time pronouncing not ethan Ewing

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Speaker 5: but Halfayel s Stavam or stay bomb or s day

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Speaker 5: bond or stay bomb. So I don't know, guys, if

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Speaker 5: it's b's or bees or n's or ends. I have

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Speaker 5: the file for you, but it's ethan Ewing minus one

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Speaker 5: forty eight and the Brazilian Halfayel StEB bomb is plus

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Speaker 5: one twenty four. Cody, you can you can trigger that

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Speaker 5: file at any time.

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Speaker 10: My name is Halfayel, Makupa is Stibham.

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Speaker 2: My name is half a l.

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Speaker 4: Makupa is Stibham, StEB them, StEB them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, okay.

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Speaker 5: So this would be a situation where I would voice

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Speaker 5: that feature for the UFC and then almost follow it

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Speaker 5: up with like, hey, these are my phonetics, just so

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Speaker 5: you know, because I've listed the file one hundred times. Anyway,

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01:23:56,760 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 5: ethan Ewing's minus one forty eight and the opponent plus

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Speaker 5: one twenty four. Part of the reason we're picking this

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Speaker 5: fight is because we're wildly curious to see exactly what

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01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 5: Ethan Ewing is. I mean, he started his pro career

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Speaker 5: zero and two, he's won nine in a row, steps

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Speaker 5: up on the shortest of notice to beat Malcolm well

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Speaker 5: Maker at Madison Square Garden, Kenny. He's less than minus

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Speaker 5: one fifty this weekend.

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Speaker 6: Your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: See, I'm still disturbed by the spelling of Ethan. I

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01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 2: don't like it. I don't like that spelling. But no,

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01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 2: this kid can fight. Man, he really can't fight.

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Speaker 4: You know, he looks like he's older, but he's only

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Speaker 4: twenty eight years old. But you know, has a bunch

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01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 4: of finishes out of those nine wins.

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Speaker 2: And the way he puts it all together.

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Speaker 4: We were just talking about Demetrius Johnson and how he

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01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 4: puts it all together. Ethan Ewing knows how to do

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01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 4: that as well. I think he's a sophisticated striker, really

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01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 4: knows how to make you miss and then he counters

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Speaker 4: with not just one shot, two three, four strikes are

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01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 4: coming at you right after that. And the way that

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01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 4: he beat well Maker, I think is what makes it

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01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 4: so impressive. He is a sophisticated striker, He is an

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Speaker 4: intelligent fighter, and I think that, Uh, he's got to

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01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 4: be careful on the ground with Istebam. But because Stepham's

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Speaker 4: so good at taking the back, he puts that body lock,

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01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 4: knows how to control and beat you up from that

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01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 4: position and slows you down. So for me, I think

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01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 4: it comes down to you Ing stopping the takedowns, keeping

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Speaker 4: him at a distance, and continuing to fire away with

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Speaker 4: those combinations and take away the confidence.

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Speaker 2: Early of the Brazilian fighter. But I like Ethan in

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Speaker 2: the spot man.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a fantastic fighter and maybe doesn't have

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01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 4: the same kind of record as this very good fighter

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01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 4: from Novouno.

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Speaker 2: But I like you Jay.

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Speaker 5: I can see the headline on MMA junking. Kenny Florian

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01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 5: says Ethan Ewing has an old face, right, I mean

1806
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 5: saying that he's got an old face, right, that he

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01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 5: doesn't look twenty eight. You know, it's like with that

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01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 5: am at the end, it feels like people that's a

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Speaker 5: Valentine's Day with an M instead of an MM. Is

1810
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 5: Kenny mispronouncing this guy's name? Hey, I you know, I

1811
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 5: never like betting against a guy who's undefeated, but it'll

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01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,480
Speaker 5: be interesting to see if this is one of the

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Speaker 5: bets when Kenny does place your bets, because I have

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01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 5: a feeling it won't be.

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01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 5: Stebam is fourteen to oh three and zero in the UFC,

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01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 5: but if tapology is accurate, he did missweight in two

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01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 5: of those three UFC wins. All right co main event

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01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:31,839
Speaker 5: as showweight seventh rank Tabitha be Ricci baby Shark minus

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Speaker 5: one fifteen number three Viena kakaraj Doba minus one oh

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Speaker 5: five reaches won three or four Ken Flow enters this

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Speaker 5: spot following the biggest win of her career stoppage of

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Speaker 5: the Man of Hebas last July, and Abu Dabi now

1824
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 5: taking on the recent world title challenger Kaka ra.

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Speaker 2: Vena Chingi Dova. Ken Flow go Ahead.

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Speaker 4: This was a tricky one for me, and I felt

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01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 4: like it got more confusing when it went back and

1828
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 4: watched their fights.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, who the hell is gonna win this?

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01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 4: You know, Gingidoba I think is probably the better grappler overall.

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01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 2: I think where she.

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01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 4: May struggle, however, is with her takedown game. Ricci has,

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01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of momentum going her way right now.

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01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 4: I think she's gaining confidence as a result. I think

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01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 4: she's certainly gonna be the better striker, the sharper striker.

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01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 4: She just can't let the pressure of Gingidoba get to her,

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01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 4: you know, because you know Genidoba's going to try to

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01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 4: back her up, try to bullyer, you know, make the fight,

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01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 4: you know, a close one, try to get up against

1840
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 4: the cage, all that stuff and.

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01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 2: Make it ugly.

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01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 4: But Ricchie's good on the ground as well. I don't

1843
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 4: know if she's as good as Gingidoba, but I do

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01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 4: like her overall here. I think that, you know, this

1845
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 4: momentum has served her well. I think that she's going

1846
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 4: to be the faster, better striker. But I think it

1847
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 4: all comes down to how good her wrestling defense is

1848
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 4: if it holds up.

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01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 2: I like her in this spot to win by decision. Jay.

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Speaker 5: Someone in the comments said, you look like former Massachusetts

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Speaker 5: Governor John Carry and.

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Speaker 2: I can't come back from that now.

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Speaker 5: I know it's the funnies shit ever, because my hair

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Speaker 5: is a little long and either shaded, and I'm almost

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Speaker 5: fucking fifty.

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Speaker 6: It's hilarious.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, John, for those of you that don't know, and Cody,

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Speaker 5: you could chase a fucking image, right, lazy bet m

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Speaker 5: that's fucking hilarious, and I just don't even know what

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Speaker 5: to say. It's like it's like it's I'm kind of offend,

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Speaker 5: but it's kind of compliment. You know, I'm offended. As

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Speaker 5: your twin brother. I'm gonna go follow lazy bed m

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Speaker 5: m a as you should. But hey, I will Governor

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Speaker 5: John Kerry. But yeah, Jay, like you need to go

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Speaker 5: see Barbara to the Stars, Johnny like yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Huh, well you don't.

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Speaker 5: We got a busy week next week with the PG

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Speaker 5: have playoff and fucking dirty boxing. There are hats that

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Speaker 5: team I could get a little bro No, I'm talking

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Speaker 5: for our bar Mitzvah or benet mitzvah. The theme right

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Speaker 5: like you have a theme was hats you're just gonna

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Speaker 5: put it. I can put this fucking Drake may helmet

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Speaker 5: on that you gave me.

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Speaker 2: I'd like you to maybe for you know, I will

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Speaker 2: put one.

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01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 5: Thousand dollars at play and place your bets, but quickly

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01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 5: on this comine event because that happens to be part

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01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 5: of what I'll get into later. I just again, I

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01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 5: like the younger fighter, sort of someone who I believe

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01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 5: is on their way up the mountain, versus someone who

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01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 5: I think is on the other side, and anyone who

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Speaker 5: would listen.

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01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 2: I don't bet MMA, but anyone who would listen to me.

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01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 5: Last week in Vegas for PGF, I said, I'm looking

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01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 5: at Joe Pifer plus money here. Look Israel very well

1886
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 5: could have won the fight with leg kick. Maybe keep

1887
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 5: kicking the leg. But I love Richie the spot coming

1888
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 5: off that knockout against that man a he bus last

1889
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 5: him out. I just Jenji Doba had write the opportunity

1890
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 5: last time out but lost to Mackenzie Dern. I just

1891
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 5: thirty seven years old versus thirty one. Ricchi's sort of

1892
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 5: very been with Callum Walsh for a long time, who's

1893
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 5: very much embedded in this whole UFC world. I just

1894
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 5: think Tabitha that's the right time for her and a

1895
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 5: pick them fight. I like her quite a bit. Couldn't

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01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 5: find a prop by decision, Kenny, I hear you there.

1897
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 5: I just I don't you know. I would think Jenji

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01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 5: Domba would need to submit Richie and I don't see

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01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 5: that happen. Yeah, Jay, you were certainly on Joe Pifer.

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01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 5: He wouldn't leave me alone on Saturday, right, I'm writ

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01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 5: and back like yeah, I just think is he sort

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01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 5: of back up against the proverbial wall.

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01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 7: I expect his best. I love Pifer two.

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01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 5: I don't know what to tell you in Jay's just

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01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 5: like Pifer plus money due What am I missing?

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01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:19,719
Speaker 2: Anyway?

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01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 5: Let us get to the main event at lightweight hits

1908
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 5: two American Top Team fighters against one another. Chris Duncan

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01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:32,799
Speaker 5: minus one ninety two, tenth ranked Hanato Moikano is plus

1910
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 5: one sixty. Kenny Moykano gets the red quarter. He has

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01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,879
Speaker 5: dropped two in a row since the four fight Serge

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01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:42,600
Speaker 5: Short Notice title fight against Islama Kasha, more recently the

1913
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 5: lost to Banil Daryush. Now he draws the streaking Scott

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01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 5: Chris Duncan, who has his own four fight winning streak

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01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 5: in to who do you love?

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01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 2: In the main event ken.

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Speaker 4: Play Yeah, two team two eighths going at it. Both

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01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 4: very good grapplers. You know, I think that Moykano has

1919
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 4: faced the tougher competition, no question about that. As you

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01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:02,719
Speaker 4: go back and watch their fights, has some really good wins.

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01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 4: And you know, I think that where he may suffer

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01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:10,600
Speaker 4: in this fight is with the athleticism of Duncan. I

1923
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,759
Speaker 4: think Duncan's the better athlete, and I think that matters

1924
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 4: because I think Moykano's best chance at winning this fight,

1925
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 4: although he's got some power, is on the ground if

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01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 4: he's able to take Duncan down, and I think he

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01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 4: can do that, and I think he'll be a major problem.

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01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 4: We saw what he did against Ben Wall, said Deny,

1929
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,360
Speaker 4: when he gets on top, I mean he he's.

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Speaker 2: A very good grappler.

1931
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 4: I just think against Duncan, taking him down, keeping the

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01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 4: position there, I think is gonna be tough. I think

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01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,600
Speaker 4: he's gonna be slower than Duncan, which can post some

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01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 4: problems for him. So I like Duncan here, and this

1935
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 4: guy has proven his toughness time and time again. I

1936
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:52,719
Speaker 4: don't think he wants to brawl too much with someone

1937
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 4: like moy Kano, but if he needs to, I like

1938
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:56,639
Speaker 4: his chances there as well.

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01:31:57,880 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 7: All right, Ja, do you have anything on the main

1940
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 7: event or can I get to play Schurettes?

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01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 6: No?

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01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 2: Get yeah, let's move it on.

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01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:04,680
Speaker 7: I guess you're probably gonna place a bit.

1944
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Speaker 5: But I like my guy money Moi Kano, So a

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Speaker 7: All right, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Gonna update the results. So Kenny was up two American

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Speaker 7: The floor is yours.

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Speaker 2: I got a little surprise for you, Jay. I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go three hundred buckeroos on Ethan Ewing if

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Speaker 4: when ewing and Uh, I.

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Speaker 2: Give you another seven hundred on our girl, Tabitha Ricci.

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Speaker 5: Oh wow, Kenny, It'll be interesting to see who tails you.

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Speaker 5: I'm not necessarily relevant, but my I was gonna put

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Speaker 5: a whole thousand on Tabitha Ricci.

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Speaker 2: Wow. But ultimately I'm gonna look at some props.

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Speaker 5: Tabitha by decision I couldn't find an odd but Ricci

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Speaker 5: by decision I think jen Gi Dopa is tough enough

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Speaker 2: Doba and John, thank you for not playing the file and.

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Speaker 7: Cody, can you probably play the file again, because.

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Speaker 5: Wait, are you asking him to No, I'm shocked. You're

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Speaker 5: like a Cody since was fighting this.

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Speaker 2: Don't funk out of here, and I'm repping the Wolf.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Rob Perez, Dirty Boxing April tenth, and those were

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Speaker 5: Whatever come through anyway, nicely done, We will see that.

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Speaker 2: For John must be for you. I didn't call for it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't put it in the rundown, Jane. Nicely done.

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Speaker 5: And yes, those propositions on ten Tabatha Ricci oftentimes not

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Speaker 5: so uh a thousand bucks on Reach. We'll see how

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Speaker 5: it goes. Jay, Uh go get a haircut.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say Jay's been hot, so that gives

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Speaker 2: But I think I'm gonna get better hair the top.

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